I'm afraid many of us might be pissing into the wind.

How are you actually making this assessment?

Maybe they used observation.

Then they must not have eyes.

That's just like your opinion man -The Dude

He is right though.

(Leans into mic)

Wrong.

Mind if I do a j???

Hmm... that, and a pair of testicles.

>then who do I vote for

Unfortunately for all of us that doesn't appear to be the case.

Keyword: appear.

Yes, but it "appears" that way because of the content, not just because it maybe kinda looks that way.

Yeah and who controls and manipulates the content?

Mostly users. We can upvote and downvote, we contribute and put the content out there.

I realize there are additional forces at play but most of what you see is just people online.

I disagree. I see many genuine comments on here but they are largely buried under mountains of political bs.

Exactly, that's why the sub has political leanings.

Exactly, because they manipulate it to make it so.

Who's they?

Are you honestly telling me given the current political climate it's not more likely that there are just actual people out there than have strong political views?

Who's they

The people who work for reddit, obviously. And yes, I'm telling you that they manipulate and control the content. Why? To create division and to turn us against each other. It's the oldest trick in the book, along with reverse psychology.

all of us? You must be new here.

Do you enjoy partisan bickering?

Not a conspiracy and also not true.

Also:

Rules of /r/Conspiracy

12 Self posts that lack context or content may be removed.

Let's clean this subreddit up.

I see context, old friend.

You do not?

It has since been edited to include it Mr. Owl.

I will edit my comment accordingly.

I'm glad we got that cleaned up.

I am as well, always nice for posts to contain more than shock value now - http://imgur.com/a/0UvSt

Lol did you just reference the footsie roll pop commercial?

Haha, yes indeed.

Those are classics.

and also not true.

You are wrong

There's a post above with a statistical analysis - he's not wrong.

Horseshit.

This sub was sucking Trump's dick pretty hard right up until the Syria bombing. Excuse me if I find your newly found political independence hard to believe.

I think everyone, probably across the planet, were just so relieved that proven criminal Clinton didn't get to be President, no one here wanted Trump, but what choice did us citizens have? the DNC fucked over Bernie

You guys didn't have to suck his dick so enthusiastically and with such gusto. Like a fucking Hoover on prom night.

Who are these guys? Do you think think that you are posting from another dimension?

Nearly everyone that posts here is anti Hillary Clinton, she is a disgusting criminal piece of shit, so that is obvious, i rarely see pro-Trump posts

Lol, where were you between Jan 20th and the day of the Syria Bombings? It was basically T_D in here.

And ironically, for a sub devoted towards conspiracies, a large part of the user base continues to downplay or ignore the largest conspiracy unfolding before our very eyes - the Russian hacking scandal.

I'm not saying everyone should believe it or that we shouldn't be skeptical, but you'd think an actual conspiracy theory would gain a little bit more traction in a sub devoted towards conspiracy theories.

But no, 🍕 gate is the real story /s

It was basically T_D in here.

No it wasn't, this is something you have just made up.

a large part of the user base continues to downplay or ignore the largest conspiracy unfolding before our very eyes - the Russian hacking scandal

Because all the evidence says it is bullshit and you will not prove otherwise, keep telling them Hillary Clinton talking points.

No it wasn't, this is something you have just made up.

Dude, I saw it with my own eyes. All you have to do is compare conspiracy posts and comments from before the election and after the election but before the Syria bombings to see the difference. Just because what I have to say is inconvenient for your narrative doesn't make it untrue.

Because all the evidence says it is bullshit...

What evidence? All I see are ad hominem attacks. "Because it came from the intelligence community, that proves its untrue," "Because the documents were leaked to NYT/WaPo/Buzzfeed that proves it's untrue," "Because if it were true it would help Hillary and hurt Trump it must be untrue," "Well Alex Jones said..."

That's not evidence. And guess what - truth doesn't have to be binary: if it helps Hillary then it must be put out by her side and therefore be false. Sometimes truth can be complicated.

Dude, I saw it with my own eyes.

Sure you did

The amount of shameless crossposting between here and t_d says otherwise

I'll just give you my two cents. Any Conspiracy pushed by the MSM is not going to gain traction here. This sub hates the MSM. Why would we start pushing their narrative. Have you ever heard of operation mockingbird? The CIA took control of the media a long time ago. Do you think these operations by the deep state just stopped? How naive are you?

You rarely see pro trump posts? Either you don't post here, you cant read, or you are lying.

See aren't stupid. Quit insulting everyone's intelligence.

You really seem upset. It's not about trump. It's about understanding the very real questions that surround Hillary. Trump is just trump. Go complain in an anti trump sub. This sub is to get the truth.

You really seem upset. It's not about trump. It's about understanding the very real questions that surround Hillary. Trump is just trump. Go complain in an anti trump sub. This sub is to get the truth.

So it's okay to ask questions about Hillary, but not okay to ask questions about the President of the United States of America? Why are you so afraid of questioning both? Why not be skeptical of both?

"Trump is just Trump" is a convienent way to say "We shouldn't question those currently in power."

You are grossly mistaken. I'm not anti-Trump. I'm anti-authoritarian, I'm anti-abuse of power, I'm anti-coverup - regardless of political party.

If you don't want to read uncomfortable questions about Trump, then you should scurry off to a pro-Trump safespace. All authority should be questioned and treated with skepticism.

I very much agree with this sentiment.

Plenty of people here also post to the_donald. I'm guessing they wanted Trump. And I'm also guessing they are the reason nothing against Trump seems to gain much traction on this sub.

nothing against Trump seems to gain much traction on this sub

Because 99.9% of claims made against him are made up bullshit with zero evidence for the claim

Muh Russia, for instance.

99% of all claims here have no real evidence. Yet the Trump stuff is consistently upvoted to the top, and anti Trump stuff is dismissed.

This isn't that hard to understand is it? The same people that have been slandering trump have been mortal enemies of this sub for years.

It's pretty obvious the first inkling is to ignore them or defend trump.

It's sad that anybody's first inkling is to defend that boob and corporate stooge, regardless of how they feel about Clinton or anyone else.

Well, there is a lot of evidence. The problem is, everyone chooses to believe that the evidence isn't credible. Now why are they choosing to believe that? Some of the evidence is coming from the intelligence community that this subreddit is naturally skeptical of. Some of this evidence is coming from foreign allies, whom this sub is skeptical of because (((globalism))). Other evidence comes from documents leaked to the mainstream media, whom this subreddit is also skeptical of.

The problem is, since this sub discounts all these sources, that evidence isn't good enough in their eyes. CNN, the intellegince community, and foreign allies are all in on it together in their POV. The problem is, what if one of these sources actually is telling the truth? Since you discount them, you're also going to discount their evidence, and everytime that evidence is brought up, it's going to reinforce your belief that it's fake.

So who does that leave? Wikileaks, InfoWars, Breitbart, and other alternative, out of the mainstream media sites. Basically media sources who've all endorsed or been co-opted by the alternative right.

So your choice is now the media biased towards the guy in power, or the media source biased towards the other guys in other positions of power.

everyone chooses to believe that the evidence isn't credible.

Because it isn't, did that even occur to you?

else

Prove otherwise, the the intelligence community, the MSM and foreign allies have offered zero credible evidence, just opinion.

Prove that anythink wikileaks or infowars of true. Both sides pick and choose what facts they want to believe lol.

Prove that anythink wikileaks is true

Easy, WikiLeaks’ have a decade-long pristine record for authentication and you will not be able to prove otherwise

Comey literally just called them a Russian op under oath, in a hearing.

No shit he's going to do that. All the alphabet soup agencies hate Wikileaks because they are an outlet for heroes to disclose their own corruption.

Then why haven't they disclosed anything on the GOP? The GOP is even more corrupt than the dems.

Uhhh.. really? Did the GOP rig their primary? That's about as corrupt as you can get.

Had.

Go ahead and use CNN as a source. But it won't influence many here. It is considered a legalized propaganda. Wikileaks on the other hand is being attacked by both clinton and trump. So use your CNN source but most will not find it convincing. I myself find it very telling that governments are fighting to silence wiki leaks.

It's not Clinton and Trump people that are trying to silence Wikileaks; it's US intelligence and investative agencies.

It's also telling which government isn't trying to silence Wikileaks because it has benefited the most from it - the Russians. Why does Wikileaks never dump Russian documents 🤔

Just curious, what's an example of illegal propaganda? Cuz I'm pretty sure it's all legal.

Obama signed a law and legalized I believe it was in 2012 but I could be wrong. It used to be illegial believe it or not.

Obama signed a law and legalized I believe it was in 2012 but I could be wrong. It used to be illegial believe it or not.

The problem is, since this sub discounts all these sources, that evidence isn't good enough in their eyes. CNN, the intellegince community, and foreign allies are all in on it together in their POV. The problem is, what if one of these sources actually is telling the truth? Since you discount them, you're also going to discount their evidence, and everytime that evidence is brought up, it's going to reinforce your belief that it's fake. So who does that leave? Wikileaks, InfoWars, Breitbart, and other alternative, out of the mainstream media sites. Basically media sources who've all endorsed or been co-opted by the alternative right.

Greatly stated point.

Muh Russia? You don't think it's a little strange that a campaign manager stepped down because of his close ties to Russia, a top advisor had to file as a foreign agent, his attorney general had to recuse himself from an FBI investigation into campaign collusion with Russia after he lied to congress.

Yeah...but muh Russia. I like your pom-poms. I'm sure you totally would also think it's a bunch of bullshit if everyone around Hillary had to step down because they were being pad off by a foreign country.

Still mad Clinton lost, it appears you are.

Cool deflection bro. Did you have a response about why all of Trumps cronies are retiring and filing as foreign agents?

I couldn't give a shit about Trump, what evidence are you relying on that Trumps cronies are foreign agents though.

This should be good!

The fact that Flynn retroactively filed as a foreign agent lol.

No I don't because podesta and clinton had way more ties to Russia. The uranium deal is akin to treason and podesta company and shares in Russia cannot be ignored or down played. I think that the real conspiracy is why does clinton get a free pass and trump is held to a different standard? Hillary clinton seems immune from investigation despite her poor choices and actual broken laws. Trump fired flynn, why didn't Hillary fire podesta? I want to know how does she get away with it.? Trump is not getting away with it. No conspiracy there.

The uranium deal was signed off on by a ton of other people besides Clinton. She didn't even have approval or veto power on the deal.

The uranium isn't even leaving the US. It legally has to stay in the US, per the deal. You're just fear mongering with the word "uranium."

As soon as I see "Clinton uranium" I know you have no idea what you're talking about.

Lol this is just being willfully ignorant.

r/conspiracy is the old guy on the street, and t_d is running around on their lawn. Their new, and they're making a lot of noise, because they're very excited. If they stay and sit down, they will probably get less partisan.

They're not "excited", they're fucking assholes and (probably) paid spammers. Most of his followers strive to mimic the same pseudo-alpha overly aggressive style as Trump's, the reasonable and intelligent ones have long since jumped ship.

Maybe some are paid. I think most have half a foot here, and it's up to us to use that to educate. I think name calling and assuming people lack authenticity, is a way to burn the bridges we should be building.

You have a lot of upvotes I am not sure why you are complaining. Seems your comment got support.

proven criminal

If she is a 'proven criminal' like you claim why isn't she in prison?

No idea.

To start with, we're going to have to take something as an axiom. It should be self-evident, but it's safer to state it: that Clinton should know that when something is marked "classified," it means it's classified. Similarly, we have to assume that she knows that stripping classified headers of an email and redistributing it is a gigantic no-no. I don't anticipate that these assumptions should be difficult to swallow, however, as they're all security clearance 101. (And if you're saying that Clinton has literally decades of experience, yet she still somehow doesn't know what "classified" means, then clearly she's unfit to even be an office assistant.)

[1] She knowingly used an insecure email server

WASHINGTON (AP) — State Department staffers wrestled for weeks in December 2010 over a serious technical problem that affected emails from then-Secretary Hillary Clinton's home email server, causing them to temporarily disable security features on the government's own systems, according to emails released Wednesday.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7006105d422740f0b4b8675c90f9a154/emails-key-security-features-disabled-clintons-server

Colin Powell to Clinton:

However, there is a real danger. If it is public that you have a BlackBerry and it is government and you are using it, government or not, to do business, it may become an official record and subject to the law. Reading about the President's BB rules this morning, it sounds like it won't be as useful as it used to be. Be very careful. I got around it all by not saying much and not using systems that captured the data.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/30324

This latest stack of emails also exposed other interesting things... like the fact that Clinton's private email server was attacked multiple times in one day, resulting in staffers taking it offline in an attempt to prevent a breach.

 

In a blistering audit released last month, the State Department's inspector general concluded that Clinton and her team ignored clear internal guidance that her email setup broke federal standards and could leave sensitive material vulnerable to hackers. Her aides twice brushed aside concerns, in one case telling technical staff "the matter was not to be discussed further," the report said.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160623/09170034795/emails-show-hillary-clintons-email-server-was-massive-security-headache-set-up-to-route-around-foia-requests.shtml

[2] She knowingly mishandled and illegally distributed classified information

In Email, Hillary Ordered Aide to Strip Classified Marking and Send Sensitive Material

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/01/08/boom-in-newlyreleased-email-hillary-orders-aide-to-strip-classified-marking-n2101680

 

In one email, Clinton even seemed to coach a top adviser on how to send secure information outside secure channels. Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, has repeatedly maintained that she did not send or receive classified material on her personal account.

Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, has repeatedly maintained that she did not send or receive classified material on her personal account. The State Department claims none of the emails now marked classified were labled as such at the time they were sent.

However, one email thread from June 2011 appears to include Clinton telling her top adviser Jake Sullivan to send secure information through insecure means.

In response to Clinton's request for a set of since-redacted talking points, Sullivan writes, "They say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it." Clinton responds "If they can't, turn into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/08/latest-batch-clinton-emails-contains-66-more-classified-messages.html

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12605

The two Republicans said that in her testimony before the Benghazi panel on October 22, 2015, Clinton claimed that she didn't send or receive emails that were marked classified at the time. FBI Director James Comey, however, recently told Congress that there were three documents on an email server that were marked confidential. The State Department then said that some of those classification marking were the result of human error and didn't need to be on them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-republicans-hillary-clinton-committed-perjury-in-emails-testimony/

[3] She knowingly lied under oath and claimed she only deleted personal emails

Because she didn’t use the government system, the department didn’t have her emails on hand when the House Select Committee on Benghazi asked to see them. So in 2014, Clinton’s lawyers combed through the private server and turned over about 30,000 work-related emails to the State Department and deleted the rest, which Clinton said were about personal matters.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/19/politifact-sheet-hillary-clintons-email-controvers/

In total, more than 30,000 emails were deleted "because they were personal and private about matters that I believed were within the scope of my personal privacy," Clinton told reporters in March of 2015, as the controversy around her private emails was growing.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-emails-secretary-state/story?id=42389308

1,000 Clinton-Petraeus emails missing from records sent to State, FBI files show

Roughly 1,000 emails between Hillary Clinton and Gen. David Petraeus were thought to be missing from the 30,000 emails provided by Clinton’s team to the State Department in December 2014, according to the newly released FBI investigative files.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/22/1000-clinton-petraeus-emails-missing-from-records-sent-to-state-fbi-files-show.html

[4] She knowingly deleted evidence of her crimes, even after being given a subpoena

After Subpoena:

March 4, 2015: The Benghazi committee issues a subpoena requiring Clinton to turn over all emails from her private server related to the incident in Libya.

Between March 25-31, 2015: The Platte River Networks employee has what he calls an "oh s---" moment, realizing he did not delete Clinton’s email archive, per Mills’ December 2014 request. The employee deletes the email archive using a software called BleachBit.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/09/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

Deleted evidence of crimes:

Jen you probably have more on this but it looks like POTUS just said he found out HRC was using her personal email when he saw it in the news.

we need to clean this up - he has emails from her - they do not say state.gov

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31077

Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik appears to have given Clinton advisor John Podesta a ‘heads up’ that Hillary Clinton’s State Department emails would be discussed at a House Judiciary Committee meeting, according to a new batch of Wikileaks emails released Tuesday.

The email, from Kadzik to Podesta warns Podesta about an FBI superior testifying to the “HJC,” and of developments in a Freedom of Information Act request for Clinton’s emails.

http://heatst.com/politics/wikileaks-assistant-ag-gave-podesta-a-heads-up-on-hearings/

Phew. You asked me to pick one, but I just started going down the list. Surely this should be enough, though I wanted to get to my favorite, which was HRC receiving questions in advance from Donna Brazile, and the two of them lying about it. Cheating in the debates is, to me, even worse than much of the above.

Executive summary versions for the rest:

She knowingly and repeatedly hid her crimes and deceived the American people

Cross-reference the above with all her public comments, speeches, and Benghazi testimony showing she was lying.

She's orchestrated arms deals in exchange for donations

Bahrain donated $150k to the Clinton Foundation and $32 million to the Clinton Global Initiative and then got a secret meeting with Clinton (then Secretary of State). After that meeting Bahrain landed a controversial arms deal.

Algeria paid $500k to the Clinton Foundation be taken off the terrorist watch list and participate in the free trade (including arms) of the TPP.

Saudi Arabia got a $29 billion dollar arms deal for fighter jets. Clinton (then SoS) said it was in the national interest. What she didn't disclose was that Saudi Arabia donated $10 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation leading up to the deal.

She cheated in the debates

Easy. Donna Brazile sent HRC multiple debate questions in advance. Fun link time, Clinton had the Flint water question in advance. In the debate Sanders answered the question vaguely, and Clinton had facts and figures like she prepared for the question ahead of time.

If she is a 'proven criminal' like you claim why isn't she in prison?

No idea.

To start with, we're going to have to take something as an axiom. It should be self-evident, but it's safer to state it: that Clinton should know that when something is marked "classified," it means it's classified. Similarly, we have to assume that she knows that stripping classified headers of an email and redistributing it is a gigantic no-no. I don't anticipate that these assumptions should be difficult to swallow, however, as they're all security clearance 101. (And if you're saying that Clinton has literally decades of experience, yet she still somehow doesn't know what "classified" means, then clearly she's unfit to even be an office assistant.)

[1] She knowingly used an insecure email server

WASHINGTON (AP) — State Department staffers wrestled for weeks in December 2010 over a serious technical problem that affected emails from then-Secretary Hillary Clinton's home email server, causing them to temporarily disable security features on the government's own systems, according to emails released Wednesday.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7006105d422740f0b4b8675c90f9a154/emails-key-security-features-disabled-clintons-server

Colin Powell to Clinton:

However, there is a real danger. If it is public that you have a BlackBerry and it is government and you are using it, government or not, to do business, it may become an official record and subject to the law. Reading about the President's BB rules this morning, it sounds like it won't be as useful as it used to be. Be very careful. I got around it all by not saying much and not using systems that captured the data.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/30324

This latest stack of emails also exposed other interesting things... like the fact that Clinton's private email server was attacked multiple times in one day, resulting in staffers taking it offline in an attempt to prevent a breach.

 

In a blistering audit released last month, the State Department's inspector general concluded that Clinton and her team ignored clear internal guidance that her email setup broke federal standards and could leave sensitive material vulnerable to hackers. Her aides twice brushed aside concerns, in one case telling technical staff "the matter was not to be discussed further," the report said.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160623/09170034795/emails-show-hillary-clintons-email-server-was-massive-security-headache-set-up-to-route-around-foia-requests.shtml

[2] She knowingly mishandled and illegally distributed classified information

In Email, Hillary Ordered Aide to Strip Classified Marking and Send Sensitive Material

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/01/08/boom-in-newlyreleased-email-hillary-orders-aide-to-strip-classified-marking-n2101680

 

In one email, Clinton even seemed to coach a top adviser on how to send secure information outside secure channels. Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, has repeatedly maintained that she did not send or receive classified material on her personal account.

Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, has repeatedly maintained that she did not send or receive classified material on her personal account. The State Department claims none of the emails now marked classified were labled as such at the time they were sent.

However, one email thread from June 2011 appears to include Clinton telling her top adviser Jake Sullivan to send secure information through insecure means.

In response to Clinton's request for a set of since-redacted talking points, Sullivan writes, "They say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it." Clinton responds "If they can't, turn into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/08/latest-batch-clinton-emails-contains-66-more-classified-messages.html

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12605

The two Republicans said that in her testimony before the Benghazi panel on October 22, 2015, Clinton claimed that she didn't send or receive emails that were marked classified at the time. FBI Director James Comey, however, recently told Congress that there were three documents on an email server that were marked confidential. The State Department then said that some of those classification marking were the result of human error and didn't need to be on them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-republicans-hillary-clinton-committed-perjury-in-emails-testimony/

[3] She knowingly lied under oath and claimed she only deleted personal emails

Because she didn’t use the government system, the department didn’t have her emails on hand when the House Select Committee on Benghazi asked to see them. So in 2014, Clinton’s lawyers combed through the private server and turned over about 30,000 work-related emails to the State Department and deleted the rest, which Clinton said were about personal matters.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/19/politifact-sheet-hillary-clintons-email-controvers/

In total, more than 30,000 emails were deleted "because they were personal and private about matters that I believed were within the scope of my personal privacy," Clinton told reporters in March of 2015, as the controversy around her private emails was growing.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-emails-secretary-state/story?id=42389308

1,000 Clinton-Petraeus emails missing from records sent to State, FBI files show

Roughly 1,000 emails between Hillary Clinton and Gen. David Petraeus were thought to be missing from the 30,000 emails provided by Clinton’s team to the State Department in December 2014, according to the newly released FBI investigative files.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/22/1000-clinton-petraeus-emails-missing-from-records-sent-to-state-fbi-files-show.html

[4] She knowingly deleted evidence of her crimes, even after being given a subpoena

After Subpoena:

March 4, 2015: The Benghazi committee issues a subpoena requiring Clinton to turn over all emails from her private server related to the incident in Libya.

Between March 25-31, 2015: The Platte River Networks employee has what he calls an "oh s---" moment, realizing he did not delete Clinton’s email archive, per Mills’ December 2014 request. The employee deletes the email archive using a software called BleachBit.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/09/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

Deleted evidence of crimes:

Jen you probably have more on this but it looks like POTUS just said he found out HRC was using her personal email when he saw it in the news.

we need to clean this up - he has emails from her - they do not say state.gov

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31077

Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik appears to have given Clinton advisor John Podesta a ‘heads up’ that Hillary Clinton’s State Department emails would be discussed at a House Judiciary Committee meeting, according to a new batch of Wikileaks emails released Tuesday.

The email, from Kadzik to Podesta warns Podesta about an FBI superior testifying to the “HJC,” and of developments in a Freedom of Information Act request for Clinton’s emails.

http://heatst.com/politics/wikileaks-assistant-ag-gave-podesta-a-heads-up-on-hearings/

Phew. You asked me to pick one, but I just started going down the list. Surely this should be enough, though I wanted to get to my favorite, which was HRC receiving questions in advance from Donna Brazile, and the two of them lying about it. Cheating in the debates is, to me, even worse than much of the above.

Executive summary versions for the rest:

She knowingly and repeatedly hid her crimes and deceived the American people

Cross-reference the above with all her public comments, speeches, and Benghazi testimony showing she was lying.

She's orchestrated arms deals in exchange for donations

Bahrain donated $150k to the Clinton Foundation and $32 million to the Clinton Global Initiative and then got a secret meeting with Clinton (then Secretary of State). After that meeting Bahrain landed a controversial arms deal.

Algeria paid $500k to the Clinton Foundation be taken off the terrorist watch list and participate in the free trade (including arms) of the TPP.

Saudi Arabia got a $29 billion dollar arms deal for fighter jets. Clinton (then SoS) said it was in the national interest. What she didn't disclose was that Saudi Arabia donated $10 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation leading up to the deal.

She cheated in the debates

Easy. Donna Brazile sent HRC multiple debate questions in advance. Fun link time, Clinton had the Flint water question in advance. In the debate Sanders answered the question vaguely, and Clinton had facts and figures like she prepared for the question ahead of time.

Jesus Christ. You got such a hardon to post your "muh emails" that you couldn't manage to only post it once.

I am glad you enjoyed it.

Implying Wikileaks is still credible.

Lol_this_guy.jpg

They have a 100% journalistic record and you will not be able to show otherwise.

Keep crying about Hillary losing though, it makes me happy.

You're the only one focused on Hillary losing and you're the only one who keeps bringing it up! Check my comments - I don't care!

It's possible to live in a world where there's evidence that Trump did bad things not because Hillary's secret cabal is making it up to discredit him, but because he's actually done bad things! It's possible to dislike Trump not because of a love for Clinton, but because of Trump's actions.

Just the other day his administration implicitly said they were looking into ways to weaken the first amendment! I don't need to love Hillary to be angry about that. I don't care who won or lost the 2016 election - I love free speech either way!

That's the problem: the world isn't as simple as "If you dislike Trunp, then you must love Hillary, and therefore Hillary losing is motivating all of your animosity." It's perfectly cogent to feel animus towards Trump because of the malevolent things he is doing! Like acting like an authoritarian! Like trying to weaken the Constitution and Bill of Rights! Like claiming large crowd sizes that didn't exist and we know because we have fucking photographs of both inaugurations.

Like world isn't black and white. Politics isn't just you love Hillary and Trump, or you love Trump and hate Hillary. Just because evidence hurts or helps one side doesn't make it fake. Sometimes inconvenient truths do exist.

I detest Trump, but he was obviously the better option.

where there's evidence that Trump did bad things

Show them then

I shit on Hillary because of how many idiots get triggered and because she deserves it.

I detest Trump, but he was obviously the better option.

Really? He's increased the federal deficit, he's increased military spending, he's filled his administration with ex-Goldman Sach's employees and executives, he's mishandling classified information, his administration is using texting apps to get around federal record keeping laws, he's using the power of the office to lead a mole hunt against a tweeter, and he's acting like a Neocon when it comes to foreign policy. He's basically Hillary Clinton.

Show them then.

That's the problem. I'd show you the DNI report and you'd discount it for not being credible. I'd show the the numerous WaPo and NYT articles filled with anonymous sources within his administration and you'd call it fake news. I could bring up the Flynn Immunity letter and you'd explain away how he's not actually asking for immunity and it's really 5D chess.

So how about this:

You give me your criteria for what counts as evidence.

Many liberals didn't like Hillary as an incumbant, evident of Bernie Sanders supporters not even voting.

Haha you twelve year olds and your quest to trigger people on the internet is so special.

Cogent....nice verbiage!

No one has said the emails, or any email, is fake. In fact all we have heard are replies indicating these emails are real and those replies come from the horses mouth.

Believing these emails are fake at this point is being naive on purpose.

That post rocks thanks!

Bu bu bu bu but her emails!!

That was the best you had, that speaks volumes.

That is the crux of the conspiracy. Why is she above the law? Why does she get so many donations from countries like Saudi Arabia? Why does she protect rapists and intimidate victims? Why can she delete emails and is granted immunity by FBI without an investigation? You don't wonder? You think it is ok to destroy evidence under subpoena? She is a lawyer she even know exactly how criminal that is.

All I'm contesting is the 'proven' bit.

It's not proven in law because she's not behind bars

You think the law applies to the Connected people? Bless your heart.

There's literally a massive TD post at the top of this sub right now. It's being called out in the comments non-stop. This place leans alt-right and has for a long time now.

Sad!

Does it though? Every time I call it out I get into giant fights with people saying it doesn't it and they can prove how left this place is, cuz it doesn't lean right at all.

Maybe these giant fights are designed to distract from any real conversation

Designed by who, the illuminati?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5seqw7/meta_rconspiracy_user_analysis/

This should be higher up.

It should be a damn sticky at the top of the board.

Another one who got proof and went silent. I'm going to tag you all so if you say this again I'll know who is lying and exactly what post it happened on.

how long have you been involved with this sub, because that is just false

About 7 years on multiple accounts. Almost 4 years on this account.

Long gone are the days of chemtrails, 9/11, bigfoot, and everything else.

Today, it's just anti-hillary, anti-democrat spam and pizzagate spam.

"Say something enough times and people will start to believe it."
The days of chemtrails, 9/11, alternate history and stuff aren't long gone. They're still very much here. There just happens to be other shit as well. Just because there's new conspiracies to discuss doesn't make the old ones irrelevant, so don't fall for spreading their divisive talking points.
Fuck hillary, fuck Trump, fuck the nwo, pizzagate is not fake news, the Rothschilds are fake Jews. Love your neighbour for who they are because they are not your enemy. The enemy are the elite few who live only to oppress the unwashed masses. Peace out ✌

You're a moron.

Great contribution to the discussion friend!

I love you too

Would you care to explain why?

Removed. Rule 4. Final Warning.

It's so easy to spot the fakes when the real sub users stand out so blatantly. True words my friend.

Well said. 🙏🏼

Straight to the point. Terrific. And thank you for correctly calling the Rothschilds what they are. That one gets a lot of heat these days, as I suppose it always will given the constant propaganda. The moment we can all come together with a consensus that it's not left vs right, D vs R, race vs race, etc., that's when we'll start making real, lasting change. It's the elite few, and those who wish to join them, vs everyone else. Period. And they do all they can to distract us from that simple fact.

(not the downvoter)

i do see more new topics based around politics but I still am missing this hard right you seemed to see. I think part of it is that we went from a left ruling govt to a right ruling govt. The group in charge will be the loudest in any medium

I think part of it is that we went from a left ruling govt to a right ruling govt.

What? The right-wing has controlled the Supreme Court and Congress for the last 7 years now. That's 2 of the 3 branches of government.

How can anyone reasonably informed and educated argue that the US government has been left ruled?

Most people go off who is in the WH. You aren't wrong.

I think wiki leaks revealed some new areas to investigate. That is a more current conspiracy than 911. It is not political unless someone wants to make it political.

Being anti Hillary doesn't make you alt right. But I do agree that this sub is going off the deep end lately.

It isnt false, it is obvious.

ok please provide proof that that majority of this sub is pro-altright

I DONT HAVE PROOF BUT NAZIS FUCKING REEEEEEE

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5seqw7/meta_rconspiracy_user_analysis/

Reply to your proof. You have it, now. Reply to it.

piss off

Sounds like the basis for every conspiracy you'd believe, you dipshit.

You sound really smart.

Glad it took a day for you to think of that amazing comeback; you dipshit.

Amazing. You are blowing my mind with your intellect.

The same to you good friend. We have both displayed our massive intellects to the world through these few reddit comments. Good show sir! [I don't care what you think, I enjoy just insulting you, you dipshit.]

The difference is that you are defending /r/conspiracy from having to see how retarded it is 95% of the time.

I'd ask you to read the context of this long thread to see exactly what I was responding to and how I was essentially mocking /r/conspiracy but I know you won't so here;

There's literally a massive TD post at the top of this sub right now. It's being called out in the comments non-stop. This place leans alt-right and has for a long time now. Sad!

how long have you been involved with this sub, because that is just false

It isnt false, it is obvious. <-comment I replied too

Sounds like the basis for every conspiracy you'd believe, you dipshit. <- my comment; saying he believes things without displaying evidence and says that x belief is "obvious"

I can be intrigued by conspiracy thinking because I think it's fun and interesting to be that crazy guy with thumbtacks, newspaper clippings, and strings on the wall - but atleast that crazy guy has some shreds of evidence to display rather than "obvious" bias.

The bias is obvious.

mhmm; exactly as I thought, a comment with little substance. Consider that the highest upvoted comment in the thread is against Trump; you're an idiot btw.

Removed. Rule 4. 1st warning.

Wow; how is calling someone simply an idiot abusive or threatening; I've seen massively popular posts in this subreddit that have said much worse.

I don't care what you think, I enjoy just insulting you, you dipshit.

Thanks for making me take a deeper look into the context. This isn't acceptable here; you can either attack the argument or downvote and move on, but you can't attack other users.

I did remove on of the above user's comments and give him a warning as well.

Sure friendo; I enjoy insulting commenters who do not provide substantive arguments of their own; but whatever. I'm done with authority so utilize it how you see fit.

Removed. Rule 10. First warning.

They're plants... Trying to split the sub because of how real things gets.

yep... make it look like this sub is in shambles so it can be modded "correctly" for TPTB

Inevitably some of them are just idiots and not plants.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Not worth even dealing with these fools.

Projecting.

6 years, I agree with him. The second Trump won it got crazy. We could argue prior to the win it started but that would be discrediting the entirety of the WikiLeaks evidence showing Clinton was cheating.

T_D invaded. We became t_d2

around oct/nov sure, but this statement: This place leans alt-right and has for a long time now.

is not true.

The internet, days are weeks months are ages. "A long time" is accurate. It's less nonbiased and more political bashing.

The community has leaned, whether t_d being prominent or that and people being swayed. It's a problem, many placebo red pills were taken and it's mucked the community

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5seqw7/meta_rconspiracy_user_analysis/

You're implying that the root of all of this wasn't 4chan. The Venn diagram of people who like Trump and are open minded enough to post conspiracy theories is a pretty hlbig cross section.

You're right there is a cross over. The issue is many people who like Trump like all sheep can't see he is a puppet and throw away their political bias and misinformation.

The ill-teachings of the propaganda machine force people to deny credibility if it doesn't fit their agenda. (Divide) and that allows the same puppet bullshit to repeat while the perps get their way (conquer)

America is dead. It's a "Weekend at Bernie's" type situation. America fell long ago and has been held up by "friends" in order to get his money, his influence, his army...all for personal gain.

And we were warned, we were told who the culprits would be. And we let them in with open arms. The Zionists have killed America have poisoned the American Politicians with their greed and need for power.

We now fight wars for our Zionist masters to bring forth "the greater Israel Project" feed them gold and power. We shouldn't fear a NWO we should over throw it. Because a NWO is what's needed, we NEED to kill the Hydra. Why do you think they spread their central banks to every country possible as fast as possible. Take off 1 head..... The Zionists must die, Israel must be left to fend for itself with the trillions it's been given and be told to cooperate. America backing Israel due to Zionism is why the peace in the middle east has failed.

We allow them to occupy land, we topple governments that do not attack us. All in the name of Zionism. Through lies. GWB and Hillary and Trump and every last politician and Rothschild need to be taken in the night, assets frozen, and slowly hanged one by one in a show of force and freedom. Take back the gold, redistribute the ill gotten wealth. Fund schools, fund healthcare, fund the right to live and work FOR THE PEOPLE.

It is not "what can I do for my government" it's what does the government do for you. That's their job, WORK FOR YOU. Public Servants. The country does for itself, it funds itself, the government is supposed to be the middle man. Taking the taxes, redistributing it to bettering the American people. That's how we got to space, that's how we got to where we are. And we have plateaued because it stopped.

Make America Great Again? America has never been great not once in the history of it. We killed native people, we held slaves, we created internment camps, we propagate wars where the poor die hoping to make a better life for themselves all at the Beck and call of the rich because the RICH want more they have beef with others.

We need to suffocate this, teach that history is not something to be repeated and focus on bettering America.

In 100 years time, we will have flying cars, space travel, renewable energy abundance, first world internet. We do not invest in our future, we invest in death and greed.

Yeah, I have been subscribed here for about 6 years, and I strongly agree with EliteAsFuk.

I call them 'commentary accounts'. They just seem to drift in for no apparent reason as they have no interest in conspiracy related stuff and just make judgements about where the whole sub is 'at'. lol

Not really

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5seqw7/meta_rconspiracy_user_analysis/

Four years lurking. Trumpets and all righters took this place over. Used to be there was a lot of "THE JEWS DID IT" but it didn't usually go further than that. Then the election came around and if you weren't posting about pizza, you were getting downvoted. Now any time anything about THE FUCKING OBSERVABLE-BY-ANYONE Russian connection comes up its "no evidence." From the same people who though there was a child rape dungeon in the bottom of a pizza shop because 4chan told them secret codes.

Yep, lurker for a similar amount of time.

A few months before the US Election, this place started sucking Trump, Repub, Breitbart and 4chan dick like a pro.

ok so yea you know its a recent thing, not a long time thing, that's all i'm saying. its terrible in its current status

There is proof in a come t above, if yuou are man/woman enough to look. 71% of this sub's users have positive karma in /r/the_Donald.

You're wrong. If you deny it, you are a liar.

i don't care at this point, calm down

This sub isn't a single community like the others. This sub has a bunch of different factions, from UFOs to trump is hitler. Your comment is just wrong on many levels.

It's being called out because the "war" for conspiracy is fought in battles.

It got upvoted by the massive influx of t_d and people still sucking at Trump's nob. It's getting called out because people are tired of being t_d2

This sub isn't even conspiracies half the time. It's Breitbart/Fox news type sourced info bashing every Democrat possible.

I haven't seen anything about McConnel and friends trying to kill Net Neutrality (technology is bringing to light more worthy conspiracy type shit) or people bashing Trump for his bs.

Where's all that "drain the swamp" or "lock her up" shit now? Trump has done fuck all since he's been pres. Hell he skipped the correspondent dinner. Then hailed himself as a hero at a rally while Fox bashed everyone there who made fun of him.

Yet, they clearly don't remember when Obama did it. It's basically a roast, but we gonna demonize people because lol agenda.

I'm ready to pitchfork march on Fox and every other mainstream news outlet. Filling heads with bs propaganda. We need to take back our country but everyone is a bunch of subdued pussies.

"But we has freedom, I'm not hiding anything let them in my phone lulz what are you a criminal!? Why care hurr durr" America is quickly becoming idiocracy

Breitbart and FOX bashing democrats huh? By telling truths? It's oddly similar to..."Russia hacked the election hurrr durr". No...they didn't. And even if they did? (they didn't) None of the info was false. Nobody has denied any of the info that came from wikileaks. Except maybe Donna Brasil and we all know she's a liar. Don't try and say dems want the truth. They already proved they can't handle it.

Breitbart and FOX bashing democrats huh? By telling truths?

your lack of self awareness /slash/ cognitive dissonance is exactly what OP is talking about. lmao

You know how you beleive I'm uninformed and a complete idiot for believing what I do? I feel exactly the same way about you. lmao you think because I prefer FOX over CNN I must be a fool. OK...agree to disagree. Your news sources suck and are considered by many, many people to be fake news. You just have more choices to get your biased news stories from. Although they all push the same narrative so it must be real right?! So many different "credible" news sources are saying the same thing! It's gotta be reeeeeeal! Enjoy keeping your head in the sand!

I don't understand this argument. You think that Fox is more reliable because fewer people agree with it?

No. I think lefties think their news is correct and FOX is junk because there are more lefty news outlets spewing liberal agendas.

Your argument is invalid because none of these mainstream sources are journalistic representation of "news" they're biased entertainment soaking you for ad revenue and feeding you propaganda.

Enjoy that placebo red pill

It's not a placebo because a placebo actually implies some positive effect and unfortunately i'm not sure the "red" pill works that way.

well put

My theory is that the right doesn't like to have actual discussion, just scream nonsense Trump bullshit and so they don't go into comment sections. But the votes prove what gets exposure and then many leftists refute it in the comments but the right has already done it's damage by promoting the bullshit in the first place. As much as you deny it, this sub has turned into the Donald. There aren't any cool out of this world theories just dumb anti liberal 'news'

Pretty sure you're still dick ridin' Obama; Trump himself is conspiratorially minded, maybe that's why everyone is saying he's retarded.

Actually this sub was more BernieBro than Trump if anything.

Meh. I saw a lot of anti-Hillary more than pro-Trump. I wouldn't call it sucking Trump's dick, per se; but it was definitely people trying to avoid being sodomized by Hillary. In keeping with your ever so gracious metaphor.

Participation on this sub rises and falls and for a while, The_Donald user base crept over. So there may have been a lot of dick waving, but the core of the sub remains politically neutral.

Correction: the core of the sub was politically neutral before the 2016 election. It has yet to be seen if it will return to its roots post-2016 election.

You make a fair point and an excellent distinction.

yup, 2016 election fucked this sub. 12 wasnt anywhere as bad in the sub as 16.

This sub was/is very pro Ron Paul. He was very much on the right politically. The only difference between 12 and 16 is users like yourself that complain about the current position on the left/right specturm of this sub.

haha not at all, the massive amount of shilling was nothing close to this in this sub during the 12 election.

I'm a huge Ron Paul fan and I respectfully disagree. This sub was a massive pro-RP jerkfast. I loved it, but I have no illusions as to what it was.

Think we simply had more to talk about on that side. There were more leaks and information to delve through. Anything that says "classified" is automatically bate for any good conspiracy theorist. Trump had a few good conspiracies - like he was a Clinton puppet sent to make himself so terrible that she would certainly win. Or he was doing it for fame, or some ulterior motive (which he could be, Kushner's giving me weird vibes). Bottom line, those things have been discussed in this sub. It's fun to go down rabbit holes and share information.

oh I fully agree, theres just so much bullshit in this sub now that is really just politics.

Amen to that. I want to get back to the things behind the curtain, or conspiracies we are losing into history. Trump and Hillary are just public figures, and there are other forces at work.

Willing to bet that was because of the massively corrupt candidate on the left side.

There is no going back

Honestly I think there's just been a massive influx of paid shills to make this place look as though its gone alt right so they can point fingers and convince the masses to disregard what we're saying about things like CIA leaks, etc.

and then the MSM starting sucking up to Trump and calling him presidential as soon as the Syrian bombing started....many of the "conspiracy" nut who were wrong about Trump NOW ADMIT they were wrong.

Many of us "conspiracy nuts" warned that Trump was an insider all along. The fact that the media started praising Trump for the bombing and saying he is "presidential" now should be more confirmation that the conspiracy nuts have been right about quite a few things.

Nothing the media loves more than a good war. It boosts ratings.

WAR

The Syria bombing was a big deal. Many Donald supporters came over here to get answers. I think it proves there is no left and right it is all a political theatre.

The president is trained animal. Do the wrong thing and they will be dealt with. The guy can get shot like JFK or Reagan and nothing will be done about it.

Many Donald supporters came over here to get answers. I think it proves there is no left and right it is all a political theatre.

I would say that proves the opposite.

They came here because they were questioning their support of trump. Many Bernie supporters voted trump.

Not many. Some, but not a notable amount. Most Bernie supporters didn't vote or voted third party. Then Clinton, then of course some voted Trump.

I think there are actually two or more competing factions, but yes... it is still political theatre.

Absolutely. There are shills for Monsanto, shills from David brick, the milkitary industrial complex and big pharma. And those are the ones we know about. There are multiple industries trying to control the political outcome.

I think that was the breaking point; I took a "wait and see" attitude to see if DT was actually going to follow through and be the disruptive swamp-drainer all his true-believers kept insisting he was. The Syria move was the tell: holmes is the same shit in a different bag.

I gave Obama the same "wait and see" period. I understand why "HOPE" existed for each president. I also was optimistic about W's "humble foreign policy"....every cycle gives me more reasons to be more open to the "conspiracy nutz".

People that believe the MSM are just not really that curious or knowledgeable about US policies it seems.

Agree 100%

It's because the media is part of the same wing as Hillary the warmonger; Trump showing some colours towards movement towards war earns praise from the other establishment warmongers who would profit from it; Trump is maintaining his position of slap on the wrist and results driven action against regimes or countries who threaten american interests - notice how we have just dropped some more bombs rather than send in the troops to take over, you dipshit.

Seriously. All this "STOP BEING SO POLITICAL" whining started popping up when negative posts about Trump started getting traction here. The people currently whining had no problem with endless politicized posts targeting Hillary and Democrats in general during the elections.

It's just butthurt trump haters who equate voting for the NON-ESTABLISHMENT that was trump (THE WHOLE FUCKING CONSPIRACY MOVEMENT YOU TARDS) means that you are now a Nazi.

lol.

Billionaire landlord from old money: I'm not the establishment!!! You: I believe him.

Why can't we just go back to talking about all the made up stories about Hillary being a cannibal child rapist? It's so much more fun than reflecting on the monster we voluntarily elected.

In all fairness there was a lot of corruption surrounding the Dems coming out so the shit on Hillary train was full steam. Conspiracy theories about her corruption were being proved as true left and right, and leading to new ideas like pizzagate. Easy to see why this sub fell to the right during the election cycle

Fair point and true, but I think that a mass shaming of this sub is necessary and appropriate at this time so that the next cycle it doesn't fall to the left, and the one after that fall to the right all over again.

Because if we fall to the opposite side each time one side slips up then we've truly learned nothing and this sub serves zero purpose.

Exactly.

Exactly.

the bombing that he let everyone know about before hand that didnt kill any civilians? nice

Yep. That's the one that /r/conspiracy got sand in its vag over.

Case in point right here.....

it was desperation.

Pretty sure you're still dick ridin' Obama; Trump himself is conspiratorially minded, maybe that's why everyone is saying he's retarded.

That's putting it lightly.

Outside of censorship, what do you propose the mods do to control this issue?

The community of /r/conspiracy takes censorship very seriously - so much so that they rarely if ever remove posts.

Mods of /r/conspiracy have taken a lot of time and effort to make reddit more transparent. For example, I wrote the code that initially populated /r/uncensorship with posts that were censored from other subs. Other mods/community members, like /u/9000sins and /u/go1dfish also made and continue to make huge contributions to Reddit transparency and anti-censorship.

I'm sure the mod team over there would LOVE to hear your suggestions, and better still, have your help, in balancing things with transparency to the community, and without censorship.

what do you propose the mods do to control this issue?

Nothing. Let the free hand of karma decide what gets upvoted and what gets downvoted.

If people still aren't happy, they're free to start competing conspiracy subreddits.

Not every problem needs to be solved with mod intervention.

"Go start your own subreddit" is both belligerent and fails to address the issue.

What would you suggest mods do when a much larger community finds a home in their sub, without resorting to censorship?

Move along? Start another sub? Over and over again?

I gave you my answer:

• Do nothing. Let bottom up solutions rise to the surface, rather than implementing top-down change. Not every problem calls for mod fiat.

Alternative solutions:

• Hold stick-post townhalls to discuss the issues and see what users say.

• Do strawpolls.

• Do a discussion once a week on topics that are critical of the current people in positions of authority.

Basically, be creative. Test things out. Keep the community informed. Explain why you're doing the things you're doing. Keep the things that work. Toss out the things that don't.

None of these solutions are quick fixes that will fix the problem overnight. But they do set the community on the road for long-term, sustainable solutions.

To respond to a point you raised, I'm not saying that the mods should go off and start their own new subreddits. I'm saying if current conspriacy members dislike the shift in tone, they're free to start their own subreddit. Competition will figure things out. Maybe the solution is an alternative conspiracy subreddit that's more skeptical of the Trump administration. Users will be free to choose which subreddit best fits their tastes.

To respond to you directly about moderation styles, I find that what you are advocating is simply anarchy. Moderation should be swift and brutal in my opinion. I never used that style except for a few bad apples in the beginning, but it worked great. When the users started demanding we take no actions at all, that is when the trolls overtook this sub. In the case of Trump always rising to the top, that falls into bipartisan American politics. I don't think censorship there would have been appropriate. But this total anarchy that you suggest is feckless and gives the sub to the swine.

I just checked out all the small subs you mod. How well has that moderation philosophy worked in regards to sub growth and participation? Because they all look pretty small and for the most part, unactive.

I don't actually do any moderation in any of those subs. Never have because most of them were private subs but I opened a few up. Mostly just toying with CSS and such.

Hard to call yourself transparent when your mods ban anyone and everyone who call out BS on this sub. It's proof that they lean politically one way or another based on who and why they ban people.

That was never my experience while serving as a mod. In fact, we published our mod logs, and moderator actions, in addition to posting any removed content from not just /r/conspiracy by reddit in general to /r/uncensorship and others.

I can't think of a single sub that made moderation logs/activities public, other than /r/conspiracy.

Reddit changed their mod API and prevented this from being done simply.. maybe it's possible again, it's been a long time.

lol just no. This sub has always been bipartisan regardless of what the shills push.

That means that this sub has always supported Republicans and Democrats, and their combined endeavors. Lol

No, I mean the members have never given a fuck about left or right.

I knew what you meant. It's just "bipartisan" has a specific meaning and was not the word you were looking for. So I had some fun with it.

Got it ;)

Still sucking it. It's his target demographic. Not saying there aren't any real conspiracies but this sub has almost never picked up the Russian story which might be the worst event in the last few decades.

I've been watching The Apprentice since I was a teenager. I think I know how to choose a president.

Notice how OP is trying to say this sub is neutral and the top to comments are trying to cause divide by blaming Trump and Republicans. Also notice how on most posts on his sub involving Obama/Hillary/Bernie/the left, the users here begin attacking this sub, calling it T_D or saying it's conservative conspiracy theory. Yet when it's a post about Trump/Bush/the right, the users here are suddenly discussing only the conspiracy at hand, organically. Pretty easy to see this sub is being brigaded by subs such as /r/politics, /r/EnoughTrumpSpam, /r/MarchAgainstTrump, /r/impeach_Trump, /r/Trumpgret, /r/shitThe_DonaldSays, /r/fuckthealtright, /r/taxmarch, /r/the_shulz /r/Trumpnicknames, /r/againsthatesubreddits (ironic), /r/the_cheeto, /r/TheDuped, /r/antiTrumpalliance, /r/tinyhandsinc /r/NeverTrump, /r/IndivisibleGuide, /r/BannedfromThe_Donald /r/justicedemocrats, /r/unpresidented, /r/Marchforscience, /r/TrumpforPrison /r/TinyTrumps, /r/hillaryclinton, /r/socialism, /r/MiloForPrison, /r/EnoughRightSpam, /r/EnoughAltRightSpam, /r/WTFAmerica, /r/EnoughGOPSpam, /r/liesTrumptoldus, /r/TrumpAdviceAnimals /r/regrettingTrump, /r/politicalhumor, /r/MarchAgainstDonald, /r/esist etc, as is most of reddit at this point.

You're not causing divide if you're correctly pointing out that there is, in fact, a divide. That's just calling a spade a spade.

You can't vouch for every one, and God knows there are shills all over the goddamn place. It's common knowledge that up votes and down votes are bought and paid for site-wide. However, this post asks people who frequent this sub to return to a more or less objective stance on current politics and look at the broad historical and current political landscape, and those conspiring against the Hoi Polloi.

I can't understand why you, as a person subscribed to this subreddit, would make an attempt to further the divisive nature of this "left v. right" toxicity. If you don't like what's on the front page, report it. Then post a link to something more relevant. Otherwise you're just making this a worse place to visit.

Pointing out there's a divide causes a divide in the same way that diagnosing cancer causes cancer. All I'm guilty of is calling a spade a spade.

I would agree with you entirely if the rift we were talking about wasn't conjured as fervently as it has been by users that seem like "outsiders" on both sides. It wouldn't be fair for you to ignore the equally fervent cry of "none of this is what this sub is about!" from a good number of users.

You're saying that you see division, and no one is arguing that. We're saying that the division is more manufactured than many of us would like to believe.

Like I said i can't vouch for everyone here, but a lot of this looks like the later stages of a consensus crack, where users more prone to tactics like that pick sides and you can't tell honest from dishonest discourse any more.

Yeah, this place is such a mixed bag, it lives outside the binary political paradigm imho. Doesn't mean we are immune to the partisan traps they always set for us around election time. But when everyone is being respectful, it definitely makes for a more interesting and balanced discussion about most topics.

Up vs down is the real fight.

Skincolor vs. Skincolor,

Gender vs. Gender,

Older Generations vs. Those who have to suffer for their mistakes now,

(fake) Religion vs Religion,

(illegal) Immigrant vs. Natural Citizen,

Lying political Party vs. Even more lying political Party.

People who would like to keep their guns vs. Those who would like to get shot by government thugs,

Nation against Nation,

"Good" vs Evil,

You're getting set up for global (un)Civil War.

"Nobody's right if everybody's wrong" - Buffalo Springfield

[sportteam1 name] vs [sportteam2 name]

We all know [sportteam2 name] is far better anyways

I feel sorry for your mother

whachu say bout my mama?

Proletariat vs Bourgeois

Leftism is this^

Don't be confused, liberals aren't leftists

Some are. Might wanna size that brush down a bit.

Fake religion is a redundant term.

Loved your rambling until your obviously biased gun comment. Lol, did you read the title of this post?

noticed that too

While I totally see your point, are there any conspiracy theorists who advocate for gun control? It just seems contradictory.

Precisely.

"Conspiracy Theorists" are fairly diverse on the left right spectrum, thought often further to one side or the other.

Where they are generally MORE united in the up/down on the multi-dimensional models- which often refers to authoritarianism vs libertarianism. Though as conspiracy theorists become more reactive to the existential threat (generally applied to right-wing reactives), they sometimes DO promote authoritarian practices to rid the system of the encroaching "other".

A good example is with Globalism, which "personal freedom" minded people see as authoritarian, dishonest and overly centralized/ automated- causing people to react in a populist and right-wing manner. But this nationalist increasing of border security "inadvertently" leads to a more heavy handed domestic militarization. This seems to be the dichotomy the system plays on.

I would really like to see threads that do not consist of top comments that claim this sub is a Trump circlejerk. Every single time they are proven wrong because they are upvoted to the top and sometimes gilded for making that claim. It's so hilariously stupid. The best one was where a user said "Fuck Trump and his supporters.. Downvote away mothafuckassss," then proceeded to accumulate upvotes.

Seriously. How can they continue to believe this while simultaneously skyrocketing to the top and getting gilded? Doesn't make any sense.

It was frustrating to see so much pro-trump commenting prior the elections given his authoritarian rhetoric, which flies in the face of much of what this sub generally espouses.

And the fact the the TD sub is managed by the well-documented anti-conspiracy zionist propaganda crew. To an extent, they managed to coopt some of the messaging we've been promoting here for a while, and use it in conjunction with memes to create "the depolorables".

Remember that this is also what they did last election cycle when they created the new Tea Party. Talking heads like Glenn Beck took Alex Jones and Ron Paul-style right-wing libertarian/JBS Society/ Patriot Movement rhetoric, and applied to to neocon zionist propaganda to siphon off supporters.

So I understand why people associate this sub with the donald folks- there IS a lot of crossover. I think it's been intentionally set up that way and you can look at very specific agents who have worked to make that happen.

It should come as no surprise that a sub dedicated to conspiracies likes the first president in US history to espouse conspiracy theories from his pulpit.

the first president in US history to espouse conspiracy theories from his pulpit.

well that just ignores the reality of history.

Presidents always have conspiracy theories , especially when it comes to leaks. The same way the expected president, Hillary Clinton, was issuing conspiracy theories about Russian Hacks- Who do you think Nixon blamed for the Pentagon Papers, beyond Ellsberg?

Trump's 'conspiracy theories' are never presented with any logic or evidence to justify them. They're just wild yet vague assertions tossed together with words like 'globalist' to pander to keen voting demographics. And he's hardly the first to think of doing such a thing-- his technique has been old hat politics for years. Trump only seemed different because of the grating shamelessness of his stupidity and because shameless stupidity is the new motto of our reality/internet era.

His conspiracies are also exclusively targeted toward various opponents, weaponizing the rumormill.

Come again? The only president in US history to espouse conspiracy theories? You sure about that?

Right?! It's comical.

Mods vs. Rockers. Like the man said: I'm a Mocker.

Your statement is very ironic because that is a very left-wing talking point.

State vs liberty is the real fight

That's right wing thinking

No, not at all. The right still wants to use the state to impose their version of social order.

Down with gravity!

Down with gravity!

But that's exactly what gravity wants.

Foiled again D:

I think that's the only reason they still allow elections to happen: to create divisiveness and unrest, get us fighting eachother over two corporatist candidates that both bow down to the same globalist masters. As long as it's Us vs Us it can't be Us vs Them.

No, it is pushing hard right. When you have a bunch of politics threads bashing hillary getting all the love you know something is going on.

Trump is a corrupt mess - from business ties/family to russia, but few want to talk about it.

My uncle has done radio shows, interviewed conspiracy folks, posted on this sub off and on for years, and been involved in researching since the 80's. He was banned from this sub because he posted a photo of trump being helped by secret service and saying maybe he was sick - because at the time the top post was a photo of hillary saying she was.

He warned me about joining up here, but have read his and many other posts over the years here (I mainly have stuck to research and commenting at various other websites).

Hillary is done and over, the person with power now and who is covering things up is trump. It doesn't matter the party of the president what matters is the office and its power.

No no no, calling Hillary a cunt if fighting for the truth. Stop talking about Donald, he is a clean and glorious leader unlike crooked Hillary! I saw a comment attacking Trump, obvious Shills!

Around here, that pretty much nails it. I didn't vote for either of them (but I did like hillary's ideas and experience better than I did trump's).

People on this sub honestly believe ctr/etc pay people to come here and talk up hillary but ignore the tons of people from the donald swarming here to bash her and manipulate votes.

Really?

Cause I get downvoted all the time for criticising the left, while being upvoted for every anti trump comment I've ever made on here.

Lets test your bullshit, let me make a statement right now:

Donald trump is a professional scammer who admitted, on a nationally televised debate, to gaming the US economic system to enrich himself at the expense of less fortunate people because it "wasn't illegal". Anyone who believes he won't take that principle into office has been duped.

Now, let's see how long it takes for that ban to come around

Now try that as an OP.

What's the conspiracy, though?

Donald made a statement in a debate, people ignored it cause they are biased.

I've made comments to that effect numerous times, upvoted every single time.

I am with you here. It's funny because the comments at the top here are the ones that are claiming to be left and say this sub leans alt right.... so wouldn't such comments be at the bottom if that were true?

This whole thread is comical as a result. There is some serious tomfoolery going on here, I feel.

Note: I hate Trump with a passion, which coincidentally is how much I hate Hillary. I just really am not feeling what has been preached in the top comments here. Just seems like a scam to me.

She is a cunt though, it doesn't matter what you think of Trump

She is a cunt though, it doesn't matter what you think of Trump

He was banned from this sub because he posted a photo of trump being helped by secret service and saying maybe he was sick - because at the time the top post was a photo of hillary saying she was.

Here we go again. Another I got banned claim.

Ok, what is your uncle's account so we can all verify?

Or is it going to be exactly like this thread, including upvote counts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/671f9z/wikileaks_reminds_trump_of_time_he_said_i_love/dgn9anr/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66opgj/so_let_me_get_this_straight_instead_of_filing/dgklb5e/

I messaged him and will you pm you.

Thanks

bashing hillary

Maybe because she is a complete and utter fucking piece of shit who should be rotting in jail.

I also like the fact you are still clinging to muh Russia^TM

Well, all the facts have not come out yet -pretty much like all conspiracies.

Hell, people here cling to a flat earth and no planes on 9/11. And here we have a conspiracy still being looked into with a slew of connections and information. Why ignore it??

pretty much like all conspiracies

That is not a true statement, do you actually understand what a conspiracy actually is, it doesn't appear so

Hell, people here cling to a flat earth and no planes on 9/11.

No they don't, that is an absolute bullshit fact you just pulled out your sisters arsehole

Did you even watch the Comey hearing today? Where he literally confirmed that Russia was directly involved? It's not even a theory. Now the only question is how involved.

Hillary is a piece of shit just like that orange cock holster people call a president.

Can we get to see the photo?

I don't know which one was posted, but probably something like this:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hNelSuoHzlI/hqdefault.jpg

Which is just as innocuous, in context, as the one of hillary that someone has posted without context. Which I believe was his point. Someone took a photo, made up a headline, and didn't add any context and it was top post (again, not sure which photo he used but am pretty sure from talking to him it was something similar he used to make a point about posting made up bs)

That was after someone rushed the stage. Hillary has been on camera falling from just walking, always using a handrail to get up the stairs and has had (I think) 3 concussions all from falls. So it's much easier to believe.

Hillary has also been involved in the establishment for much longer and has been on camera committing perjury. People rail against her more because SHE IS STILL GETTING AWAY WITH IT.

And since nothing is being done about it I am much more skeptical of Trump than before.

Don't forget her spitting up 2 green blobs during a speech.

Like I said, not sure if that was the actual photo he used.

The point he was trying to make stands though. Some folks were making up shit regarding hillary based on a photo to troll/etc and the mods let it stand. But his photo wasn't allowed to (and, as noted elsewhere, the photo of her in question had nothing to do with her health either - but mods allowed it even when it was debunked).

The issue here is one of consistency by the mods and some users. And that pans out today with how the mods have treated some threads over time differently when they came to trump.

"If you dislike Hillary you must be right wing"

Keep pushing this completely bullshit erroneous statement and act like it means something, k bud? Clinton's corruption matters because her going free is basically an endorsement for power and privilege being untouchable. Any single one of us would fry or be in jail for life for what she's done. Get that through your thick fucking heads - this has nothing to do with being a Republican or some sort of irrational hatred. She is susceptible to the statutes of the law just like anyone else. She committed high crimes and misdemeanors and got away with it. That is unacceptable. End of story.

Anyone paying any attention to politics should be able to tell you that the ruling parties aren't all that different. Do you think the donors that blew over a billion dollars trying to elect Clinton are just going to say "We give up Trump won so whatever" ? Come on.

People need to drop the blinders of focusing on whatever is in the media spotlight at the time. People need to stop drawing lines in the sand about what is and what isn't for politics and beliefs. FFS stop trying to muddy the waters many of us came here because /r/politics was so fucking broken.

You know a conspiracy forum is fucked when a (seemingly) majority of vocal users support the current presidential administration no matter what it does.

They don't. They're not suddenly going to after literally years and years . The shit Trump does is in your face. Clinton is a legitimate conspiracy. It's provoked lots of squealing here by people who seem to contribute little else but commentary on where the sub is 'at' because they're annoyed by the fact that nobody wants to buy the very obvious Russian hackers nonsense. The only 'conspiracy' there is that some people want us to ignore just what it is about the leaks that could 'sway' an election and so cooked up a 'crisis' as a distraction. That's why the sub might appear pro-Trump. Because everybody has worked that one out already. Clinton is still at large however.

Or he's not part of the political dynasties we've had to deal with before. People were sick of the bushes, and the clintons are scumbags. Also, Bill Clinton is a rapist.

OK and that argument made sense before the election. I hate Presidential dynasties, it goes against the entire point of a democracy.

But Hillary's done. You can have voted for trump thinking he would do well and still see and accept that he is completely incompetent. The man has accidentally blocked his own executive orders. He bombed Syria and said Iraq (an accident but a diplomatically significant one when you're the president). He is on pace to spend more money on vacations in one year than Obama did in eight. And all of that taxpayer money he's spending is going right back into his own pocket.

I'm not going to say Trump supporters shouldn't have seen this coming, but it's here now, regardless. Sticking your heads in the sand isn't going to help.

So OP says we aren't biased. But, you know, fuck Hillary. Trump hasn't done anything in Russia! Not biased at all. #pizzagate yo!

Hillary is done and over, the person with power now and who is covering things up is trump.

This is what I don't get about the people expressing so much hate for her. I really don't like her. See my history. Still, in this context, it's nonsense. Most of democrats just want her to go away. She doesn't have any power.

Notice how OP is trying to say this sub is neutral and the top to comments are trying to cause divide by blaming Trump and Republicans.

Also notice how on most posts on his sub involving Obama/Hillary/Bernie/the left, the users here begin attacking this sub, calling it T_D or saying it's conservative conspiracy theory.

Yet when it's a post about Trump/Bush/the right, the users here are suddenly discussing only the conspiracy at hand, organically.

Pretty easy to see this sub is being brigaded by subs such as /r/politics, /r/EnoughTrumpSpam, /r/MarchAgainstTrump, /r/impeach_Trump, /r/Trumpgret, /r/shitThe_DonaldSays, /r/fuckthealtright, /r/taxmarch, /r/the_shulz /r/Trumpnicknames, /r/againsthatesubreddits (ironic), /r/the_cheeto, /r/TheDuped, /r/antiTrumpalliance, /r/tinyhandsinc /r/NeverTrump, /r/IndivisibleGuide, /r/BannedfromThe_Donald /r/justicedemocrats, /r/unpresidented, /r/Marchforscience, /r/TrumpforPrison /r/TinyTrumps, /r/hillaryclinton, /r/socialism, /r/MiloForPrison, /r/EnoughRightSpam, /r/EnoughAltRightSpam, /r/WTFAmerica, /r/EnoughGOPSpam, /r/liesTrumptoldus, /r/TrumpAdviceAnimals /r/regrettingTrump, /r/politicalhumor, /r/MarchAgainstDonald, /r/esist etc as is most of reddit at this point.

Sure, they are trying to say it is neutral, but it isn't. That is like saying republicans and democrats are the same. They might be on some things but overall they aren't. It is usually conservatives who rush to call them the same to hide their embarrassment over the things done by their party.

It the same here. You get rw'ers running about claiming everyone is a shill and brigading when you know it has been mostly from the donald and allowed here by right leaning mods. Take a look at some new donald users, I saw on the other day who had 500k karma in 3 months, looking at snoopsnoo showed it all coming from the donald (via bots obviously).

Let's get back to reality, this sub leans right.

Because they make it so.

Thanks for the post OP the subverted will not understand what you said here but the Awake do!

Word up.

Does this not violate rule 12?

Not really, the context is contained in the title.

I didn't realise that edgarallenbro was the official spokrsperson of this subreddit.

Apologies.

Glad to know that I lean into the wind since he went ahead and said I did.

It makes a change from the other 2 usual assertions :/

Cry harder.

Touch me where I pee.

Go moan and be childish somewhere else.

Oh yeah, trying to clean up this subreddit is so childish of me.....

You complaining and writing "go cry" is more child like.

That isn't your job, you are not a mod here.

Click the report button if the post triggers you, that is all you needed to do, no one cares about your opinion regarding the post at hand, give me one logical reason why you felt you needed people to know at all?

Triggered?

The butthurt coming from you is triggered.

So you couldn't give one reason why you felt the need for people to know your opinion regarding this posts, you could have just hit the report button.

I don't have to give you a reason FOR JACK SHIT.

u could have just hit the report button.

How do you know that I didn't?

I don't have to give you a reason FOR JACK SHIT.

Man, I triggered you really hard, you can't even answer a simple question.

What a baby.

You're the guy complaining about having to follow the rules. If that isn't childish I don't know what is.

Bye bye widdle kiddie!

You're the guy complaining about having to follow the rules

No I am not and a mod has already told you this post does not break the rules.

What a complete cry baby.

ahahahahaha

After the post was EDITED TO NOT BREAK THE RULES

So, you're wrong. Imagine that.

Now you have reverted to lying.

The post title has not changed, an /r/conspiracy mod told you that the context was in the title and didn't break any rules.

So i am not wrong and i have also outed you as a liar.

Wrong again genius.

The title has not changed. The content of the submission did change. That is what was being refereed to.

Why are you still arguing? Do you enjoy downvotes?

P.S. You're still wrong.

Lean into the wind, piss into the wind....tomato tomato...

That's us, walking against the wind. We're all Marcel Marceau.

Thank you. This is something I always try and get across. "Conspiracy" might as well be a form of radical philosophy. It is outside of the normal spectrum on politics most are used to. You as an individual can be left leaning or right leaning but to practice the kind of philosophy associated with conspiracy is to look past all of that. It is about truth for us. Now that doesnt mean there arent leftist or right conspiracies, but as long as you prescribe to just one you are holding your self back from really seeing the big picture.

"Conspiracy" might as well be a form of radical philosophy

No, a conspiracy is nothing more than a secret plan (or plotting) by two or more people, to do something harmful.

That is it.

conspiracy theory mindset/worldview

What does this even mean, not believing everything the MSM and our government claim to be true?

MSM, Academia, corporate agendas, official government statements, general public consensous ect. Conspiritorial thinking is generally counter to all of these and gets dismissed as nonsense. Fuck, even showing people official declassified documents people will still sometimes shake their heads because it is uncomfortable to know that those they have grown up trusting are not actually what they claim to be. You realize much of it is spectacle. Just to get people started the first thing I point to is usually the hillary wall street speech where she talks about how all of the above mentioned enterprises must maintain public and private agendas, literally they must conspire to act outside of what the official statements are to stay ahead of their competition.

The shitlery cunton cunks getting triggered real hard.

Love it.

And this is why most rational conspiracy people see this place as TD lite. Congrats.

I don't give a shit about Trump, sorts of shits on your theory and rational conspiracy people doesn't even make an sense.

Sorry that you got triggered.

Again, use of "triggered" tells me that you're just another TD head.

I detest Trump as our President, I wanted Bernie, but that option was stolen from us.

I am very glad that Hillary lost though.

Sorry to shit all over your baseless theory, again.

Ah, the classic Berniecrat response. You know, the FBI has specifically said that Russians used the Berniecrat crap to divide the left, while lifting up Trump.

Just wanted to get that in. Have a good one.

The FBI?

Proven liars

Your comment doesn't even make an sense.

Stay triggered.

You still don't make an sense.

I make perfect sense, you are triggered, i can edit the Y in if that is making you more triggered?

I know what your favorite word is.

Words*

Hillary Clinton is a cunt

This u/gavypavl is an asshole and his user account is shady AF- 2 year old acct. -and all posts and comments happened in the last month?

I delete them all the time, sorry detective, you failed this time.

Glad i could trigger you

The guys just an alt right troll. Not sure if he believes what he posts but it's pretty obvious that it's just trolling and trying to start fights.

The sub doesn't lean right or left, but sadly a lot of it's loudest contributors do.

And who do you think the loudest contributors are?

THose who still think Russia hacked the elections.

The "loudest" contributors are the ones who are able to manipulate reddit's voting system to make their posts appear to be the most popular. So if they are still pushing political bs then we should be able see that for what it is. (propaganda).

Basically anything Hillary or Pizzagate related.

Pizzagate is fucking real

Actually, I was on /pol/ when it started. It was fun, and seemed legit... For about three weeks. Then when the leads dried up, it became quite obvious that there was nothing really there, and people were making shit up, to go after liberal politicians.

Yeah, no. You either didn't look into things well enough or you are being dishonest. Pizzagate is a tangled mess of legit concerns and the attendant psyops and disinfo used to combat the attention into the very real parts of it. Yes, some people were making shit up, either for shiggles or because it was their job to discredit and distract the legit parts of the investigations. The serious researchers continued in other corners.

This was when all the insane hysteria about "fake news" became a thing, and it's one of the main reasons why it became a thing.

info: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611

Thank you, too much close mindedness going on about this

Amazing how nobody can be bothered to tell me why they disagree, just downvotes.

If you're suffering from groupthink, chew on this little beaut: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

It's been explained ad naseum on this sub over and over.

Show me a victim, show me their family, show me an official investigation.

I've seen everything about Pizzagate, and do not see anything that makes it real. High level sex trafficking is very real though, and pizzagate takes away from the reality that there are really terrible criminals in the world doing that shit.

Maybe it's just disagreement about what "pizzagate" is, then, because the voat community is dedicated to uncovering high level sex trafficking. Which is really all that matters. There are a lot of sincere people there doing good work. I'd even concede that "pizzagate" as many seem to understand it is mostly bullshit, which is why the honest investigators have shifted to talking about it as "pedogate." But there is overlap and the whole thing is squirrely as fuck.

Show me a victim, show me their family, show me an official investigation.

If these things were at hand, it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory any more. And in terms of the Alefantis / Comet Pizza angle I doubt you will ever see any of that, either because there's nothing there or because it's all covered up too well. (My hunch is Alefantis is involved in something shady, but maybe it's just money laundering or something — and he clearly has powerful friends who are protecting him very well whether or not he has done anything wrong.)

But if you expand out to the Franklin Scandal, Hastert, Dutroux affair, etc. etc. ... there are plenty of victims and investigations to discuss, and to me they're all under the same umbrella.

because the voat community is dedicated to uncovering high level sex trafficking. Which is really all that matters. There are a lot of sincere people there doing good work.

I doubt exactly this. I dont think there is any sincerity in their motivations nor is it "really" about sex trafficking. Rather it is about linking the worst thing u can imagine with people considered as the enemy.

There's boatloads of people there, and some of them are probably exactly what you say. But many of them are horribly sincere. I don't actively participate in the current research because it is psychologically draining, and lots of people have burnt out and given up.

For the record, Bernie was my favored Lesser Evil this go-round, I voted for Obama, hate Trump's guts, don't WANT to believe any of this shit is real, but I find the evidence is overwhelming... if you actually look into it. But who wants to do that when it's all so sick and you're inclined to think like you just said you do? I get it. It's a lot easier to go with that doubt.

I don't want to start a whole kerfuffle about it when it's kind of off topic here, but if you have any specific followup questions or whatever feel free to message me.

Alternative, this podcast about Dennis Hastert is pretty eye-opening for the uninitiated, came out long before pi**agate was a thing, and shows that it's not just a partisan issue. http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2016/05/04/processing-distortion-with-peter-b-collins-hastert-coverup-cemented-in-place/

Lol

don't you know Putin has the power to hack paper ballots with his mind?!?!

Correction. It's loudest spammers do. There is real conversation going on in this subreddit you just need to know where to look

No, some of the biggest contributors are very much alt-right/self described neo-nazis. It's not a crazy conspiracy, it's a self admitted fact. They are this subs core.

No, some of the biggest contributors are very much alt-right/self described neo-nazis

Source for big contributors who are self described neo-nazis?

...Not that it really matters in the big picture--there are self described flat earthers and other 'fringe' users in this sub too, just like any other sub. I enjoy the variety of commenters, even if I think some of them have shitty paradigms.

Why convince me of a lie the jesuits propagated onto you? This sub is all about the exact opposite!

The jesuits? God damn them and their dedication to education!

The deceived don't know they are deceived! You have been programmed and mind controlled to think the truth is dumb!

If you feel so strongly, why is your username /u/threesixzero instead of /u/oneeightzero?

I wasnt woke 4 yrs ago i suppose

You want like a news source on the biggest contributors being self described neo-nazis? Sorry dude.

Your claim is total garbage. There are some nazis here, but they are in many other subreddits. For this sub specifically, there are some people out there who are so pissed about what we discuss in here that they literally make a bunch of accounts and post fake neo-nazi shit to make us look bad. Proven false flags against /r/conspiracy to make everyone here seem racist.

These were just the ones who were caught red handed. Imagine how many smarter trolls there are who get away with it every day. I guess some people have enough free time to mess with this sub.

A single troll can have 20 accounts or more to make it seem like there are some nazis in here. They probably also post flat Earth crap so they can go to other subs and pretend we are all a bunch of dummies. It's stupid to assume all of these accounts are legit just because you want to believe it.

Why can't we just have a real discussion instead of complaining about an inflated number of nazis? Just ignore them. There are plenty of other people in here. Literally any person can make an account and post in here, so I don't see why this is even surprising to you. Fake nazis doesn't mean we should throw out the entire sub.

You just said a bold claim then gave up on any actual evidence? Maybe you do belong in /r/conspiracy

His claim is total garbage. There are some nazis here, but they are in many other subreddits. For this sub specifically, there are some people out there who are so pissed about what we discuss in here that they literally make a bunch of accounts and post fake neo-nazi shit to make us look bad. Proven false flags against /r/conspiracy to make everyone here seem racist.

These were just the ones who were caught red handed. Imagine how many smarter trolls there are who get away with it every day. I guess some people have enough free time to mess with this sub.

A single troll can have 20 accounts or more to make it seem like there are some nazis in here. They probably also post flat Earth crap so they can go to other subs and pretend we are all a bunch of dummies. It's stupid for him to assume all of these accounts are legit just because he wants to believe it.

Why can't we just have a real discussion instead of complaining about an inflated number of nazis? Just ignore them. There are plenty of other people in here. Literally any person can make an account and post in here, so I don't see why this is even surprising to some people. Fake nazis that they want to believe are real doesn't mean we should throw out the entire sub.

A single troll can have 20 accounts or more to make it seem like there are some nazis in here. They probably also post flat Earth crap so they can go to other subs and pretend we are all a bunch of dummies. It's stupid for him to assume all of these accounts are legit just because he wants to believe it.

Exactly. What you describe probably happens more often than we'd like to think. It's pretty much impossible to gauge to the true political leanings of a sub with nearly half a million subscribers that any nameless, faceless redditor can comment and or troll and or shill in.

The other thing I've noticed is that "they" don't want my comment to show up on big threads. This is like the 5th time I've posted a variation of that, normally deleted when the thread dies, and they will downvote it just enough so that you have to click the "show more comments" link in the thread.

"It's stupid for him to assume all of these accounts are legit just because he wants to believe it"

Lol, this whole reddit is "stupid" in that sense, that people here believe what they want to believe. Else it would be called "RedditfactCheckers"...

Thanks for that link, was unaware

News source? No. But give us the usernames of the biggest contributors and proof they are self-described Nazis. Not that hard...

That would be breaking several rules, sorry bud.

Ah, so you just make baseless accusations and hide behind "it's rule-breaking!"

Got it.

Um, it's literally bannable offense for me to link to or call out certain users. You can get banned if you want though.

link a thread for us in the right direction ;)

link a thread for us in the right direction ;)

Would break the rules ;)

that isn't. even send me a DM if your information is legitimate :)

Yes, it is. I'm not not going to break the rules for a nobody like you. Leave me alone.

awe, did you reach your legal limits of your propaganda :(

5 days to respond? Record.

not everyone is paid to sit and spam message boards lol

Removed. Rule 10.

I am replying for the same reason you are, if there is a lurker of this thread they should know your full of shit, and perpetually say nothing yet concerningly need the last word... be skeptical people

Lol, says the dude replying 5 days later... Ok kiddo. Get to class now.

there is an orange box that lights up every time a robot types up some bull shit for me to respond to.

did you know many people get paid to respond to comments on forums like this? so ur welcome

Makes sense when you consider that so many lies and coverups are coming from leftist controlled mainstream media. Right wing thought it demonized as "conspiracy"

Pointing out the disproportionate Jewish influence at the highest level and their obvious agenda doesn't make you a neo-nazi.

There are lot of people here who proudly call themselves nazis, whether you like it or not.

I really don't care tbh. Nazis are a shit ton better than Communists anyways.

...

Check the numbers. I don't care for either. At least the Nazis were competent, I suppose.

Ew

Found the Bernie bro communist. Read the Big Black Book pleb. Resist the false song of globalism. We will always be closer to those of our own family tribe than outsiders. Continue denying it young buck, I'm trying to help you.

At least the Nazis were competent

Competent at losing a world war against all other great powers that they started and having their country partitioned for half a century, maybe.

Yeah I'm calling you out as a fucking liar. I haven't seen ONCE someone here call themselves a nazi.

Ok :).

Biggest contributors =/= the subs core

Kind of does.

How long have you been subbed here??? Alt right neo Nazis are NOT the traditional core of this sub. This sub was apolitical before the election for the most part, at least compared to now.

The Donald being shit down has sent most of reddits extreme right users here.

I've been a frequenter for about 4-5 years.

I've subbed for also 5 or so years and I have to say the only remote neo Nazism I've seen here is the stereotypical "Jews did this" bit.

Maybe you didn't notice all the 88's running around, idk. I can't speak for what you saw, only what I've seen here.

Speaking for what I've seen, lurking here for 4 years, I haven't seen what you claim to have seen.

Ok.

Ok... You're obviously an alt-righter. Three month old account, posts in /r/conspiracy and anti or pro-Trump subreddits only to praise Trump. Why even hide?

Can you do a double-check and tell me how many times I mention non-alt right topics? Or did you not notice those?

Don't worry, you didn't say fuck trump in every post, so you must be a neo-nazi alt-righter. /s

88? Is that referring to a convention in people's usernames? I hadn't though of it or noticed anything strange with that. Am I missing something?

88 and 14 are both part of nazi symbolism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#In_white_nationalism

I could have Googled it but I also wanted to give you a chance to stretch your teaching muscles :)

Ah, well there's the explanation for it. 14/88 are both neo-Nazi symbolism, both tied to praising Hitler.

Guy thinks he's surrounded by the imaginary Nazi's. Clearly consuming vast quantities of propaganda

Regardless if he is or not, we can all agree theres a sea of propaganda to get lost in.

lol

There is also a difference between edgelord shitposting and actual opinions. Differentiating the two is a skill, granted.

Lol

I was just about to comment the same. I've been here a while (on this account and previous others... I'm bad with passwords) and I have not seen anyone self-identifying as a Neo Nazi. I have seen a few people blaming Jews, and when I point out something like "not all Jews" I don't even run into opposition.

This one was pretty fun a few weeks ago.

Wow, that's the first of anything like that I have seen. I have talked with a person on here who had brought up some Holocaust denier stuff, but they were super polite and respectful about it.

The thread you posted is why we need to stay vigilant so that there is no ground for bigotry, racism and/or Nazis to take over.

I like to point that out too, there's a world of difference between Jew and Zionism. Agreed that there is minimal opposition to encouraging more accurate language.

That has not been my expeirence at all and I have been here daily for as long as you have.

Some people don't see what they don't want to see.

Some people see what they want to see.

I really wanted to see your comment.

It was definitely never apolitical in my time here.

Well you choose what you engage with and coincidentally, remember that the most too, sooooo.......

We're talking about who posts on this subreddit kid.

That went ad hominem quickly

Here's a bit of general information for you:

Right wing ideology is 100% conspiracy minded. You think the KKK operates on rational thought and peer reviewed science? You think some inbred racist would rather believe in his/her race's superiority over all other races(even though there is only one race of humans on this planet) because of LOGIC?

Don't be dense. The core of EVERY conspiracy forum/group are extremists and it has been this way for decades. "Conservative"(read: right) wing religious, mentally and intellectually challenged idiots are the foremost champions of conspiracy theories. Even in other countries it's fundamentalists and religious zealots that push conspiracy theories as facts.

They are this subs core

well, if you truly feel that they are this sub's core, feel free to unsub then. All you're doing is proving OP's point. And what's naive about it? It's just a reminder that /r/conspiracy is bigger than political ideology, even if it has to wrestle with ideologically driven members.

Thanks for telling me what I can or can't do.

The "we're not left or right" crowd are either naive or purposefully trying to be obtuse.

most people don't even care about politics.

Liar

All the politics subs are overrun with anti-trump left leaning liberals and you think it's the alt-right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5seqw7/meta_rconspiracy_user_analysis/

Thanks for the information!

This needs to be higher. This sub is right leaning, heavily, and taken over by the Donald users. If these users saw this issue but with Clinton, they would call it out. Anyone saying this isn't telling is a liar. There is no way that if 71% of this sub's users had a positive score in /r/hillaryclinton we wouldn't all hear about how the shills have clearly taken over.

I'm tired of people lying over this. Why are the_Donald users liars? They don't want to help this country, they are doing something nefarious.

This sub is being ruined by these people, and the don't even have the balls to admit the truth!

Just piggybacking off this comment but I wanted to interject

71% of this sub's users had a positive score

in t_d implies that >71% of this sub's users are posters in t_d and an even higher percentage lurk.

It's safe to assume that over 3/4 of this sub are in some way involved in t_d.

It's safe to assume that not all right-leaning r/conspiracy posters are fans of t_d.

It's safe to assume that over 75% of r/conspiracy posters are right leaning.

No, some of the biggest contributors are very much alt-right/self described neo-nazis. It's not a crazy conspiracy, it's a self admitted fact. They are this subs core.

Sounds like an all too familiar brand of "Look at this group with power oppressing me"

I have no idea what you're implying, sorry.

I believe you

That's bullshit, I don't care how many upvotes you have

Not true

The worst is posts talking about how "I no longer support Trump" like it applies to all of us. Like it was absolutely unexpected when he got us involved in another conflict. Ugh

Controversial page is the best place to go for real discussion. For almost every thread.

find me a pst digging into the conspiracy by the russian government to buy the us president so they can inxrease global warming to reduce globalization and increase excacation of natural resources.

this will clarify the whole situation: https://streamable.com/2fw7y

How do you characterize a general tone of a sub if not by its loudest contributors?

Quiet minority vs loud majority

A conspirator should never trust the government, no matter who is in charge.

A conspirator is a person who is engaged in a conspiracy. If you meant "a conspiracy theorist should never trust the government," then I agree. There is a problem though. A lot of users falsely believe that mistrust of mainstream media claims about Trump automatically makes a person pro-Trump. This is false. A conspiracy theorist should also not trust what the mainstream media is pushing. It's totally possible to have a distrust of both the media and the government.

I'm glad this is being discussed.

I had a similar issue in another subreddit where people were calling others "alt right" or nazis because they were criticizing leftwing media at the time. Going through their user histories showed they criticized both left and right media. Some people tend to fall into one extreme position and forget that there are all of these other people out there who are independent or on a reasonable part of the spectrum.

While we are discussing myths, another myth in here is that shills are all either Russian or "Correct The Record." I see a lot of misguided discussion of shills in this thread. In reality, there are tons of organizations out there that hire shills, both corporate and government, from both sides. The US, Britain, Russia, China, Israel, Turkey, and other countries have social media manipulation programs.

The CTR shills are pretty significant in both number and activity though. On their "days off" Reddit becomes a whole different place, almost like it used to be two years ago. What bugs me the most is that Reddit admins allow it to happen.

Between spez's editing fiasco, and the blind eye they turn toward the shills has turned Reddit into a shell of its former self. Reddit used to be my hourly go-to source for news discussion, but now I can go days without logging in and don't really miss it.

We need a new place to go to. But where? Voat?

Yes Voat. They put in a lot of work to support the pizzagate researcher group. https://voat.co/v/conspiracy

still, though... LPT for conspirators: don't trust the government

But they are the government

I think a distrust of government and media goes hand in hand.

Nobody should trust the government.

Not only conspirators but anyone with a mind being able to comprehend the deviant acts of governments of every shape form and fashion

A conspirator should never trust the government, no matter who is in charge.

That's called anti-authoritarianism :) They exist both among socialists (called anarchists) and among capitalists (called Ayn Rand followers).

Personally I think TPTB are in place because of athoritairan-capitalism we live under. And I see anti-athoritarianst-socialism (a.k.a. anarchism) as a good way reduce their power.

The worst is posts talking about how "I no longer support Trump" like it applies to all of us. Like it was absolutely unexpected when he got us involved in another conflict. Sigh

All these users moving here after getting banned from The Donald too, appropriating it as their new sub... double sigh

I enjoyed it... I got to tell Trumpers that Trump is a neo-con Zionist and not get banned. I just got downvoted, that's how this mess is supposed to work. Where's the decentralized forum platform that's immune to censorship?

Most of them never supported him in the first place.

Yeah those radical Antifa LARPers

There's simply a huge population of trumptards, so people will grasp that as the sub as a whole being affiliated

The accusations against Trump for collusion with Russia present a real conspiracy that we should be focused on

I thought we weren't dmdivided by party lines though? Why can't we look at trump?

If that's the case, that the Clinton campaign set up this imaginary conspiracy the day after the election, then why, per Comey's sworn statements to Congress today, was the FBI already investigating these connections in October?

My only issue with your sources is brietbart. They are pretty far and away an alt right news sight who has posted slander before, I wouldn't put it past them to do it again. Especially since I can't find this story about it being hatched up anywhere that isn't a far right wing site.

Lol Breitbart

The investigation of trump began in July last year

Says we shouldn't dismiss russia in his post dismisses russia in comments well that sure lasted long.

They're so bad at hiding that these "stop the politics" posts are really just "stop criticizing Trump" posts.

Exactly the "trap" I set. OP couldn't avoid partisan driven attacks in his own "we are not left or right leaning" bullshit post

Haha thanks for falling all over yourself to launch partisan attacks when the mention of a "not right wing" narrative is presented

EDIT: If you think this post is an example of me being a hypocrite, and still arguing along party lines, you are entirely not getting it.

Oh trust me, after your comment we are "getting it" for sure, just in a way that doesn't align with your post's assertions.

I mean, you get your news from breitbart (per the sources you've provided). Not many democrats read the alt-right breitbart.

You're still avoiding the fact that those statements, made on an alt-right news site, directly contradict sworn testimony by the director of the FBI that the investigation began in July 2016. Co.oletely avoiding that fact, are we?

So, I've questioned your "what" with verifiable sworn testimony by the head of the FBI. Or do you still refuse to acknowledge the fact that the FBI was investigating a Trump russia connections for 5 months prior to when you said it all started.

Ah, the true colors show. Picking facts that fit our narrative. Glad we got you there.

And just because I said "it's not about left/right", I'm not allowed to have an opinion about a topic/person that's aligned with the left?

You accused someone that cared about Trump's connection with Russia, and a conspiracy surrounding it, with being a literal paid Clinton shill out of nowhere. The issue is a Trump issue, you dismissed it with an accusation.

Again...we ALL are "getting it" more and more. It's just becoming clear that you don't want us to get what we're getting.

A user said this:

The accusations against Trump for collusion with Russia present a real conspiracy that we should be focused on

Which is NOT about Hillary Clinton, per se, and is referencing a conspiracy that has far more evidence than a lot of the items on this subreddit day in and day out.

You said, in response, this:

Only if you're part of Hillary's campaign staff

So, suddenly someone talking about a conspiracy involving a billionaire president colluding across borders -- which has some evidence -- is now connected solely with being a literal Clinton paid shill.

Who do you think you're fooling with your nonsense?

You've displayed that you're wildly misinformed regarding the Trump-russia issue. You've stated that it was made up after the election by Clinton, using breitbart as your source. This directly conflicts with sworn statement by the FBI Director who stated they opened a Trump-russia investigation in July of 2016.

/u/CelineHagbard

Removed. Rule 10. Final warning.

Muh Russia^TM

They must have that one trademarked already...

i dont understand this, its being investigated by the fbi. Hillary was too and that meant something to you then.. No charges were filed against her. Why aren't you interested in the extent of the very real russia collusion conspiracy? Was trump involved? Or is was it just carter page doing weird stuff. This sub should be interested in finding out, and speculating etc. no?

this statement is a decent litmus to test the tracking of this sub.

The real conspiracy is Seth Rich being murdered for leaking the DNC emails. This Russian hacking conspiracy is blatantly manufactured.

True left wingers understand this. If you go to /r/wayofthebern, for example, you will be mocked for believing in this Russian nonsense.

This Russian hacking conspiracy is blatantly manufactured.

'the russians' didn't hack anything but there's enough collusion with russia and the current admin to raise questions and a money trail that is most definitely worth a follow up considering Syria is sitting exactly where two pipelines are proposed to be built and Exxon is deep in Russia and wanting more. The destruction of Syria is classic disaster capitalism, destroy it/tear it down then swoop in and come to the rescue while buying everything at a 90% discount.

The real conspiracy is the Deep State created ISIS as their proxy army and sent them in to destabalize Syria with the help of OTPOR, Osprey and Dyncorp in order to make way for that pipeline. They had this planned long before Trump was even on the radar.

had this planned long before Trump was even on the radar.

ya, but that doesn't mean that wouldn't use his people to get their agenda pushed forward.

I agree that Trump is clearly in the pocket of the deep state. I'm just sick of this nonsense Russian hacking, now Russian collusion, conspiracy being pushed to divert attention from real conspiracies like ISIS being a CIA/Mossad proxy army.

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lol

Parroting the mainstream media and establishment is no conspiracy discussion.

Okay, it's proven and accepted as fact by all parties.

That's not true... even obvious facts aren't accepted "by all parties", while the ideas you refer to are rather ambiguous and controversial. Regardless, echoing the mainstream media is not the point of this sub. The point is to critique the establishment narrative.

The Left and Right wings belong to the same bird, the State. Want to push against the Left or Right? Push against the State.

Many of the Left, and Right, do not believe in a state.

Loaded 'hot' 25 posts.

Ctrl-f 'Clinton': 5 Results Crtl-f 'Trump': 0 Results

There haven't been a lot of conspiracies about trump except Russia which is pushed so hard by mainstream outlets. Conspiracy sub loves the anti- media and fringe topics like Sandy hook and child molester cults. It's no wonder why this place leans right with the rest of Reddit leaning so hard left.

Really there's a shit ton of shady shit to consider in trump's background even without the Russian connection. Dude has ties to the mafia, has consistently bankrupted his own companies and still always comes out on top.

He speaks a repetitive gibberish language, plus apparently has a hard time grasping basic American history. He frequently refers to long dead people as though they are still alive. All of this to me indicates a mental illness, or at the very least an intellect unacceptable to the office.

His son in law has business ties with /r/conspiracy Satan, Soros.

There is plenty to theorize about Trump without ever leaving the country.

Ohh. I like these

Almost like Wikileaks has been dumping info about her but not Trump. I trust Assange more than anybody here.

I believe that the majority of people working for the right and left don't even realize they are being played. It is really only a select few who know precisely what is going on.

Yeah, I never understood why people see paid shills everywhere when you'd really only need a couple to set the narrative on either side. Groupthink is stupidly easy to instigate if you know what you're doing. People are a lot more convincing if you can get them to adopt your desired views sincerely.

You really want to pretend to yourself the world you live in would be no different if it was a democratic socialist nation vs a monarchy?

It would be a different place if greed was not in the picture. But it will take at least one major catastrophic event (ww3 for example), and a few hundred years of rebuilding our species before our leaders realize the dangers of greed.

I lean towards the truth. And it's not always the popular thing around here.

The reason it appears to lean right is because the left is involved in substantially more conspiracies.....

yeah, ok

I'm sentimental, if you know what I mean

I love the country but I can't stand the scene.

And I'm neither left or right

I'm just staying home tonight,

getting lost in that hopeless little screen.

We lean against the wind.

No disrespect, OP, but bullshit. Fuck the wind. You might lean against the wind, but don't speak for everyone here.

I certainly don't.

I lean (or at least very much try to lean) on the TRUTH. That's what everyone should be leaning on, I feel. The wind is willy nilly - as such, that should definitely not be what one leans on. One should lean on the truth - whatever it might be.

Politicians lie. Therefore the 'wind' coming out of their mouths blows away from the truth.

Got it. Agreed.

Thanks for the clarification.

But I agree 100%. The truth is the most important thing above anything else.

Just like the truth about the Trump-Russia connections right?

So you would argue that we need more transparency about this? Ranging from Trump and Kushner's tax returns to a full investigation into people like Carter Page, Paul Manafort?

Or pay-to-play? Like the Devos family? And the blatant nepotism that directly bypasses the middlemen to direct corruption for personal gain?

I agree OP. We really do need to get the truth. Advocating for transparency from our current White House is important.

Right. We're all the same and believe the same. How could I forget?

I have noticed this going on especially today.

LOL. So you use this post to push a rightwing agenda?

Don't tell me what I think.

I see constant "reminders" of how Hillary ate children in a pizzeria and murdered 1,000 marines in Benghazi on this sub.

This sub is nothing more than another outlet for Trump supporters. And downplaying of the current president's suppression of your freedom.

This place has become a Shillspiracy.

I think it would be more accurate to say this sub lean towards the TRUTH, regardless of what political affiliation currently aligns with it.

We only lean against the wind it whenever it is blowing in the wrong direction.

Like Bob Seger

I joined this sub because I'm against the system manipulation as much as anyone here, plus every now and then we get some good alien stories. But I do hope that we can all keep our political views out of this sub. Nothing wrong with exposing political truths, but to promote your own belief or talk trash to some one who disagrees with you on a topic is what will destroy this sub. We're all here for the truths, not the politics.

And just remember there is no left in us politics (sanders aside)

Both the democrats and the republicans are right wing when viewed against other countries.

Economically yes, socially speaking, hell no. The immigration policy of every Western nation is extreme-left.

This sub absolutely leans right. Trying to deny that is laughable. I feel like people here often say it's good to read information, even if its biased, but you should know its bias. Well, that applies here, too.

Yes, /r/conspiracy has a right-wing bias (as do many of the subreddits its userbase overlaps with). Not always a GOP/Republican bias, though that has increased, but certainly a right-wing bias. That's not a problem until there's weird and implausible denial of it.

Exactly, expressly Christan social conservatives. I wrote a thread about that and got downvoted as fuck.

I don't agree. We're constantly criticizing the economic elite. That's a 'left-wing' approach, if you want to use that paradigm.

Is this a joke?

Hear hear, fuck that bullshit dichotomy. Tired of being lied to by EVERYBODY in power.

Nicely phrased.

We don't lean, we STAND

This sub is definitely right leaning, and anyone who uses it while trying to promote a different view is either trying to hide something or willfully ignorant

It's nationalism vs globalism. The former is traditional classified as right whilst the later is left.

Anyone here serious about opposing the dark forces which are engineering our world as "they" envision it, thus has to favour nationalism (over globalism). Hence, you could say the majority here are on the right, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Hail Victory!

In before Alt-Lefter cry about President Trump supporters in here.

This forum definitely leans left, as there is very little discussion about race realism here

Actually I am far-right. Sadly we are forced to abandon our natural political stance and take a neutral "non-left/right" stance is already a win for them

Good vs. Evil Light vs Dark

Sadly, some of "us" like to blow hard from both directions.

I think this used to be true.

I think the prevailing philosophy here is "anti-establishment", and has been a for a long time. Whatever anyone's personal political leanings, we gravitate toward leaders/thinkers who not only challenge the status quo, but want it overturned.

The split in this sub comes here: Is Donald Trump anti-establishment, or not? As a long-time lurker/poster, I can tell you that this has politicized the sub in an unprecedented fashion, and the center of gravity has shifted beneath our feet. As far as the sub's general opinion of Trump, I'd say the timeline goes thusly:

June 2015 - December 2015 (roughly): Mostly Anti-Trump. With Trump's entry into the presidential fray, I think most people here discounted him as a buffoon and a distraction. Best case scenario, he was an outsider "celebrity" candidate who may make some good points about the corrosive, incestuous relationship between Wall Street/government/military-industrial complex etc,. but ultimately had no philosophy of his own

January 2016 - June 2016 (roughly): Split 50/50. A lot of people on this sub saw Bernie Sanders as the best option (or least evil option) at this point, which is often forgotten.

June 2016 - April 2017: Mostly Pro-Trump. With Sanders gone, and the DNC, GOP, mainstream media, Wall Street, and establishment politicians fighting Trump, people here bought into him super hardcore--especially with the famously corrupt Hillary as his foil. This is where the "leans right" label comes from.

April 2017 - Present: Leans Anti-Trump, probably 60/40 or 70/30. After stacking his cabinet with Goldman Sachs advisers, reneging on prosecuting Hillary, and (most importantly) striking Syria, this sub has become very critical of Donald, though a solid minority argue that he's playing a very advanced, elaborate game of chess that we cannot detect.

This sub, and this post, most definitely lean right.

Horseshit. This sub was infiltrated by Trump supporters some time ago, but it appears that most of them have left. That doesn't change the fact that this sub's biggest contributers have a clear far right slant.

^{Not to mention this place only stopped blaming the Joos for everything.}

For sure man. Just cause I'm a liberal and think conservatives are new wave hipster fucks doesn't mean I don't hate Hillary Clinton for the soulless piece of garbage she is. And although I don't really agree with pizza gate exactly, that bitch is definitely in the Jehovah's Witness or some shit. Fuck Donald Trump.

Socialism requires a large powerful government, so I say fuck that.

This might be one of the only places I found I can share my thoughts fairly whether agreed upon or not.

Leaning any which way implies a bias. Leaning against the wind in particular implies a bias against broadly-held beliefs, which basically makes you a broken clock.

I yearn for the day when liberalism and conservatism doesn't mean supporting different factions of oligarchy.

Amen, left & right both operate under the same rigged system

Aye, tis a foul wind, indeed...

(Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...)

I think we need to get rid of these damn liberals trying to spread free college and health care for everyone don't this idiot know nothing ain't free and we need to hurry up and bomb the shit out of Syria we gotta flex our nuts.

/s

*partisan, not political This sub doesn't have a partisan leaning. It is political by definition.

That's what the media does. They govern our entire lives and try to force us to conform to what everyone else is thinking. If this subreddit were to get taken down, then that would mean the bigoted leaders of society have won. That they would have finally stopped the truth from being leaked.

Hear hear.

This is what I love about this sub.

Sometimes you're ridiculously insane. Sometimes you make more sense than all of the "political" subs combined.

Keep up the good work and stay just like you are.

It leans towards whackjob

I guess first off is why is everything a conspiracy? People aren't all that different so it shouldn't be surprising that a lot of them have parallel thinking. Also why are there so many people acting like the world is ending or something? It's like you just learned about politics but haven't realized it's all a game and politicians lie. Even better is that everyone acts like they'd be a paragon of virtue if they were in the same situation. In conclusion everyone can shut up and fuck off

ITT: Conspiracy guys argue and fight about who's in charge and who's who

Same way I lean after a basket of wings

Ed Griffin on Collectivism and Teacup Party Movement. Enjoy :)

The right is just as crooked as the left. Both of those shithouse parties are shaking hands and patting each other on the back for the great show of discontent that they have put on.

So it seems like this sub is going back to normal. why was it so pro-Trump for a while?

People wanted an outsider to break up the corrupt government and Trump seized on that. It was a con, sadly.

Because Hillary was under FBI investigation while still be the establishment favorite. Not to mention all of her emails that showed how disgusting of a human being she is.

'Against the wind'? Well the wind is sure blowing conservative these days, so...

The accusations against Trump for collusion with Russia present a real conspiracy that we should be focused on

OP:

Only if you're part of Hillary's campaign staff

Lol

Well said! Today I fully understand where I stand and why I stand there.

Until this sub starts having honest discussions of the Trump/Russia CONSPIRACY, I call bullshit.

There isn't one. We were all watching when they cooked it up.

LOL I rest my case.

Show me some good Trump/Russia wikileaks? Something that's not an obvious concern troll piece or published​ by BuzzFeed.

You're waiting for wikileaks to drop Trump/Russia dirt? Do you not realize Wikileaks has a dog in this fight and it ain't the Democrats. I challenge you to find one piece of meaningful, damaging dirt they've released on Republicans in the last 6-12 months.

Assange doesn't give a shit about who the leaks are about. He's trying to show everyone that the government is fucked up. If he has something damaging to release, he would do it.

Oh, so you know Assange's motivations personally then? I suppose I should trust your opinion on Wikileaks over Pompeo and Comey's assessment? Souuuunds good.

No, I read about him and his distaste for both sides.  "You’re asking me, do I prefer cholera or gonorrhea? ... Personally, I would prefer neither." That's a direct quote from 2016. I wouldn't expect you to know how to do basic research on him.

Again. Believe the Trump-appointed Director of the CIA and the Director of the FBI, among others, or believe /u/wholesalewhores? Hmm.

I would still love for you to provide that single meaningful, damaging dirt they've released on Republicans in the last 6-12 months. I'll wait.

I didn't realize there was a 1 year period where they have to release something to be labeled non-partisan. Also, why the fuck would you believe anything that the CIA says about Wikileaks when they just released tons of documents about their spying tactics.

Still waiting...

That's the most retarded argument for them being biased. Does that mean that during Bushes presidency they were Democrat puppets? Not to mention that your whole argument is a burden of proof fallacy, but you wouldn't realize that.

Still.

Waiting.

I'm done with you, you're simply too stupid to reason with.

Mmhm.

Removed. Rule 10.

Maybe you should remove the person who isn't even trying to have a discussion and can't spew anything but logical fallacies.

I don't see any of his comments that break the sidebar rules. If you find any, report them and they'll be dealt with.

You likely made the right choice in deciding not to further argue with this user, but calling another user stupid breaks our rules. Attack the argument, not the person, and just move on if you feel they're not worth talking to.

Honestly, you lean whatever way you feel you're getting oppressed from. Pre 2016 primary shit show this wasn't a political sub but you've all gone the way ATS went after 2008.

Yeah no. Just because most normal people see Bill O'reilly's behavior as abhorrent and others point it out, does not mean that Hillary has a conspiracy of paid shills. The guy is a pig just like Limbaugh and Ailes, and many others. I like how you glaze over the Trump Russian connections. You probably wouldn't believe it even if you had hard core evidence right in front of you.

Why can't we just abandon the left-right political spectrum? Does it have ANY descriptive value anymore? It just seems like they have no real meaning and people throw them around. We should speak in terms of ideas and not factions.

yeah maybe a year ago. Now its flooded with bots, the donald trolls and a bunch of bullshit

...and muh-Russians.

LOL! Claims "This sub doesn't lean left or right" then talks shit about Hillary and says he's not convinced about the Russia stories right in the body.

I've been a member of this sub for 6 years and it's sad to see how much of a dump it's become.

Just because people have different ideas than you doesn't mean it's a dump. It's a great medium for discourse! Let's all try to treat each other with respect on this sub. Let's stop lamenting the state of the sub, arguing about user history, and insulting each other like juveniles. Peace.

Preach the peace, friend! Well said.

It's a dump. This place use to be fun

It's a great medium for discourse!

Have you tried arguing with pizzagaters or Sandy Hook hoaxters?

Rofl

They are a tough lot to break. Very convinced of their incorrect assumptions. Sad.

This sub has ALWAYS had more allegiance to Wikileaks and their charter of exposing corruption.

Denying the US gov narrative of Russian involvement in favor of Wikileaks narrative is not left or right.

What else has Wikileaks taught us? The first dump of Vault 7 showed us that tools exist to frame anyone for cybercrimes by imparting a digital fingerprint on it.

We know that the tools to do this and many other things in our cyberwarfare toolkit are possessed by other actors. So literally anyone could do it with expertise in hacking, including companies like Crowdstrike, and not to mention the CIA themselves.

This corroborates Wikileaks original claim that Russia was not their source.

Regardless of if Russia was the original source this investigation has revealed Russia seriously deep roots in Trump's campaign group.

This is not a non-issue.

No you lean right

trump russia connections are definitely conspiracy bullshit.

beyond that...left and right is divide and conquer? who cares, this sub is about the facts. and the facts are neutral

Nah, this sub definitely has been leaning right more and more.

Tell us more? Your comment history is so pro Hillary it's gross.

Is that so? I've commented on maybe 5 things in conspiracy, one of them is to advise someone to stop arguing with a guy named "LOCKZHERUP" and another is to say that the sub is actually super right-leaning, which makes me sad, cause I don't want to keep reading about BENGHAZI and DA EMAILZ and COMEY.

Seems like you are on a roll today. Never knew you existed until you flipped out on somebody else, and now you have more friends to play with!

I didn't flip out on anyone, I made a comment that you replied to, friendo. Seems like ya got some weird projecting going on.

You know what you are completely correct. Just checked, you and another user made the same exact comments and I mixed you two up. Still curious as to how you guys are saying the same exact things. It's interesting.

We're HRC shills paid by the illuminati, duh.

OR OR OR OR OR OR

I just really loved this sub prior to Trump being president, and now all I see being upvoted or getting hot is dumbass articles about Julian Assange and how Clinton should be locked up for emails. It's very tiresome. Their guy won the election, just give it a rest

I don't think you are paid by anybody quite frankly lol. Trump will be gone in 4 years and we'll have to fix his mess. It really doesn't mean that other issues aren't important.

This subs users undeniably have a right slant.

No. Reality.

I hope everyone is having a good day. Positive vibes your way fellow r/conspiracy folks. Without all of you, we wouldn't have this sub, despite the division. Also, if anyone is interested in partnering on a screenplay, this sub is rife with compelling movie ideas. Pm me.

"This isn't a right leaning sub, we lean against the wind"

Hm, okay, let's take a look at the Reddit history.

OP has history of trash talking Hillary (as far back as pre-election season), linking to Breitbart, etc etc

lol

Not everyone who bashes Hillary is a fan of Trump.

Show me a breitbart fan who doesn't lean so far right he has a hard time standing.

You are absolutely right about breitbart. I just wanted to highlight a reminder that not everyone who hates Hil loves Trump (because I personally run into that, and it gets old having to point out that I detest both of them).

Breitbart. No one who wants truth, and no one who isn't right leaning, is going to post that drivel.

Valid point☝️

I get my "news" from all over but I really cannot fathom people wanting to pull from that source.

Yeah, it's not that the sub leans right, it's that Conspiracy leans left.

This sub used to be as you claim, now it's objectively right wing.

What? Lmfao. But muh-Russians!

thank you. I was really starting to get annoyed by all the alt-righters getting on this subreddit trying to tell people that immigrants are a problem. I honestly do understand how they became a problem, but you can't blame them for simply trying to survive. Conspiracy Theories were really interesting and educative until Evangelics, alt-righters, and Flat Earthers started corrupting everything.

Yeah, obviously Buzzfeeds leaks are better than anything wikileaks has published! /s

I honestly don't really read either of those. Why don't you enlighten me with what WikiLeaks has posted?

Society drifts left as a function of time, so in some sense if you're a centrist or even a liberal at any time, but choose to hold on to those values, you probably wind up being a conservative some time down the line.

Pizzagate is just really really stupid and damaging to overall credibility.

Shut the fuck up, no one fucking believes you. You're part of the fucking problem you fucking swine.

Removed. Rule 4.

That's why there are so many posts about Trump-Russia connections?

Show me one something by a news agency with 100% authentic publishings then.

When has that been a requirement for posting conspiracy theories here?

Never, but if you want a credible theory, you should have something to back it up.

There is at least as much to Trump-russia as many other theories posted here. If this was a non-biased subreddit there would be posts about those items... but that topic isn't discussed here because this is not an unbiased group

You're welcome to make any discussion. It's not free from criticism however. Make a topic right now with all the info if you please.

honestly this sub has been infiltrated and is a shell of what it ever was

Like any group it's filled with all kinds. You seem to be speaking for yourself. Those words ring true for me too. However, this place sometimes looks a lot like TD.

When the moderators stop allowing clickbait I'll believe you.

I break the wind.

I am not any wing. I am me. And I like the conspiracy subreddit for its diversity.

Right!

But Muh-Russians.

Ahem. Ahem. Bullshit - a cursory glance exposes that. This is pure virtue signaling - of which we sure do see a lot around here, "This left versus right divisiveness is the worst, amirite? That's why we need to lock up all the leftist satanic pedosympathizers! #stupid #donald #hashtags!!!!"

I wish there was enough cohesion in this sub to say "we lean against the wind" but there aren't that many open minds, unfortunately.

This sub leans anti-Semitic more than anything

Left wing, right wing, It's all the same bird

a conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory

While left and right are both corrupt, left is overwhelmingly and completely corrupt to the point it drives the corruption. The right is fucked too, just to a lesser extent.

There is no left in the USA. There is far right (r) and center right (d).

So nice try.

Haha that's hilarious. The left is in itself socialism. The right is self accountability in essence that has been exploited by warmongering rhinos, the right is closest to America

Here's where your Trump-Russia connection comes from. HRC's campaign manager dreamed it up right after the loss. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/21/shattered-revelation-clinton-campaign-hatched-russian-hacking-narrative-24-hours-after-hillarys-loss/

I treat this like a shitty right wing political sub. There isn't much of a difference between this sub and /r/conservative. You even see the same political cartoons and anti-liberal memes

Amen brother.

Yeah sorry this post is bullshit. Y'all fuckin love trump and hate Hillary (still...)

"We attract the crazies of both sides!"

"we we we we" ... its just a fucking sub, not a hive mind.

Wait. are you saying that /r/conspiracy could be part of a conspiracy? That's pretty deep.

It's pretty obvious this leans right

I thought most people here were Libertarian

Is that a "side"? If so, I'm on it.

Totally. If conservatives are on one side of the spectrum and liberals on the other, libertarians are [right in the middle and off the axis a 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r/BobSeeger would like a word

Well, there is an oligarchic conspiracy but the right wingers don't mind when they get fucked in the ass, as long as it's done by the rich. So they defend them, making this an issue of right vs left. And then they try to divide people by race, gender, sexuality, and the corporate "left" (Dems, actually just less right wing) is happy to accept those divisions and reinforce them.

The only people that are trying to unite people against the conspirers, against the oligarchs such as Goldman Sachs and the military-industrial complex, are being silenced by both right and center-right (corporate SJWs). People like Bernie, who the right wingers would rather call a cuck instead of realizing he's standing up for them.

Right wingers realize they're victims but those that cause our misery are very good at finding scapegoats/diversions, such as feminists, leftists and immigrants. And there lies the real conspiracy. A large group of oligarchs that buy politicians and that keep us divided and pointing fingers at people who have a minimal negative impact on our lives, a group of oligarchs that invest in arm manufacturers and military contractors at the same time that they bribe (or themselves are) warmongering politicians (D and R), a group of oligarchs that invest in whole economies failing and then influence politicians into promoting devastating policies that impoverish the population and increase inequality. That's the real conspiracy.

BUT THE JOOOOS AND THE MEXICANS AND THE MUSLIMS AND SANDY HOOK AND DEY TEK ER GUNS!

ITT scores of butthurt marxists

Let's get hitched. 😍

Well put

I mean, I agree, but there are priorities, and one side is a bunch of kid fuckers allying with goat fuckers....

Who are you trying to kid?

I agree but I also think that it's hard to comment on anything politically unless you use the terms left and right when talking about specific groups

Few months ago i thought this sub was kind of wacky but these posts make a lot of sense. Thanks for everyone's contributions even if i dont agree. Right/left is so.similar and i cant stand how both sides dont get we are all in the same country and on the same damn team (humans).

I believe Trump is a pawn of the DNC to destroy the Republicans once and for all. The Clintons were at his wedding and were his friends. Then the plan came to be and he slowly began separating from the left. They had seen how easily Obama won his first term on the heels of W. But even W wasn't THAT bad when you stopped to think about it. They needed something far worse. They needed something so fucking awful it would stand as something they could point to for decades in elections and go LOL THE RIGHT GAVE YOU THAT OOMPA LOOMPA PUSSY GRABBING MORON.

In exchange they will allow something that benefits him greatly to pass. Maybe his tax reform, maybe something else. Who knows.

But you can't post these conspiracy theories on this sub anymore. Because this sub is very clearly right wing ever since the election cycle.

r/shitpost

The great lie of the dichotomy

yeah what the fuck ever

I wish this were true.

they're using divide and conquer just like Stalin

We're not a fucking hivemind. Some people very well do lean to either side, and some people agree with you.

The truth always leans the RIGHT direction

How come people say 9/11 is a far left conspiracy?

For a politically neutral sub it's kind of weird that Clinton is paid so much more attention than Trump even though he's president.

Where's all the alien stuff I used to come to this sub to read? It's become a political shitshow and most if not all of the posts that are upvoted are right leaning

The point is, sometimes articles are posted pushing a narrative that isn't even a conspiracy. And I only see right leaning shit make it to the top. We need to get narratives out and conspiracies back in

If that's the case then why is Clinton plastered all over the front page day in, day out while Trump is generally nowhere to be found?

No no no, calling Hillary a cunt if fighting for the truth. Stop talking about Donald, he is a clean and glorious leader unlike crooked Hillary! I saw a comment attacking Trump, obvious Shills!

Around here, that pretty much nails it. I didn't vote for either of them (but I did like hillary's ideas and experience better than I did trump's).

People on this sub honestly believe ctr/etc pay people to come here and talk up hillary but ignore the tons of people from the donald swarming here to bash her and manipulate votes.

He was banned from this sub because he posted a photo of trump being helped by secret service and saying maybe he was sick - because at the time the top post was a photo of hillary saying she was.

Here we go again. Another I got banned claim.

Ok, what is your uncle's account so we can all verify?

Or is it going to be exactly like this thread, including upvote counts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/671f9z/wikileaks_reminds_trump_of_time_he_said_i_love/dgn9anr/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66opgj/so_let_me_get_this_straight_instead_of_filing/dgklb5e/

I didn't realise that edgarallenbro was the official spokrsperson of this subreddit.

Apologies.

Glad to know that I lean into the wind since he went ahead and said I did.

bashing hillary

Maybe because she is a complete and utter fucking piece of shit who should be rotting in jail.

I also like the fact you are still clinging to muh Russia^TM

She is a cunt though, it doesn't matter what you think of Trump

She is a cunt though, it doesn't matter what you think of Trump

Go moan and be childish somewhere else.

Can we get to see the photo?

Keyword: appear.

Ah, the classic Berniecrat response. You know, the FBI has specifically said that Russians used the Berniecrat crap to divide the left, while lifting up Trump.

Just wanted to get that in. Have a good one.

Exactly, that's why the sub has political leanings.

Now you have reverted to lying.

The post title has not changed, an /r/conspiracy mod told you that the context was in the title and didn't break any rules.

So i am not wrong and i have also outed you as a liar.

"If you dislike Hillary you must be right wing"

Keep pushing this completely bullshit erroneous statement and act like it means something, k bud? Clinton's corruption matters because her going free is basically an endorsement for power and privilege being untouchable. Any single one of us would fry or be in jail for life for what she's done. Get that through your thick fucking heads - this has nothing to do with being a Republican or some sort of irrational hatred. She is susceptible to the statutes of the law just like anyone else. She committed high crimes and misdemeanors and got away with it. That is unacceptable. End of story.

Anyone paying any attention to politics should be able to tell you that the ruling parties aren't all that different. Do you think the donors that blew over a billion dollars trying to elect Clinton are just going to say "We give up Trump won so whatever" ? Come on.

People need to drop the blinders of focusing on whatever is in the media spotlight at the time. People need to stop drawing lines in the sand about what is and what isn't for politics and beliefs. FFS stop trying to muddy the waters many of us came here because /r/politics was so fucking broken.

This sub was/is very pro Ron Paul. He was very much on the right politically. The only difference between 12 and 16 is users like yourself that complain about the current position on the left/right specturm of this sub.

haha not at all, the massive amount of shilling was nothing close to this in this sub during the 12 election.

Think we simply had more to talk about on that side. There were more leaks and information to delve through. Anything that says "classified" is automatically bate for any good conspiracy theorist. Trump had a few good conspiracies - like he was a Clinton puppet sent to make himself so terrible that she would certainly win. Or he was doing it for fame, or some ulterior motive (which he could be, Kushner's giving me weird vibes). Bottom line, those things have been discussed in this sub. It's fun to go down rabbit holes and share information.

the first president in US history to espouse conspiracy theories from his pulpit.

well that just ignores the reality of history.

Presidents always have conspiracy theories , especially when it comes to leaks. The same way the expected president, Hillary Clinton, was issuing conspiracy theories about Russian Hacks- Who do you think Nixon blamed for the Pentagon Papers, beyond Ellsberg?

Hmm... that, and a pair of testicles.

all of us? You must be new here.

You know a conspiracy forum is fucked when a (seemingly) majority of vocal users support the current presidential administration no matter what it does.

Trump's 'conspiracy theories' are never presented with any logic or evidence to justify them. They're just wild yet vague assertions tossed together with words like 'globalist' to pander to keen voting demographics. And he's hardly the first to think of doing such a thing-- his technique has been old hat politics for years. Trump only seemed different because of the grating shamelessness of his stupidity and because shameless stupidity is the new motto of our reality/internet era.

Willing to bet that was because of the massively corrupt candidate on the left side.

They don't. They're not suddenly going to after literally years and years . The shit Trump does is in your face. Clinton is a legitimate conspiracy. It's provoked lots of squealing here by people who seem to contribute little else but commentary on where the sub is 'at' because they're annoyed by the fact that nobody wants to buy the very obvious Russian hackers nonsense. The only 'conspiracy' there is that some people want us to ignore just what it is about the leaks that could 'sway' an election and so cooked up a 'crisis' as a distraction. That's why the sub might appear pro-Trump. Because everybody has worked that one out already. Clinton is still at large however.

Great contribution to the discussion friend!

Ah, well there's the explanation for it. 14/88 are both neo-Nazi symbolism, both tied to praising Hitler.

Or he's not part of the political dynasties we've had to deal with before. People were sick of the bushes, and the clintons are scumbags. Also, Bill Clinton is a rapist.

Guy thinks he's surrounded by the imaginary Nazi's. Clearly consuming vast quantities of propaganda

You're welcome to make any discussion. It's not free from criticism however. Make a topic right now with all the info if you please.

So OP says we aren't biased. But, you know, fuck Hillary. Trump hasn't done anything in Russia! Not biased at all. #pizzagate yo!

I love you too

Hillary is done and over, the person with power now and who is covering things up is trump.

This is what I don't get about the people expressing so much hate for her. I really don't like her. See my history. Still, in this context, it's nonsense. Most of democrats just want her to go away. She doesn't have any power.

Show me a breitbart fan who doesn't lean so far right he has a hard time standing.

Would you care to explain why?

Removed. Rule 4. Final Warning.

Notice how OP is trying to say this sub is neutral and the top to comments are trying to cause divide by blaming Trump and Republicans.

Also notice how on most posts on his sub involving Obama/Hillary/Bernie/the left, the users here begin attacking this sub, calling it T_D or saying it's conservative conspiracy theory.

Yet when it's a post about Trump/Bush/the right, the users here are suddenly discussing only the conspiracy at hand, organically.

Pretty easy to see this sub is being brigaded by subs such as /r/politics, /r/EnoughTrumpSpam, /r/MarchAgainstTrump, /r/impeach_Trump, /r/Trumpgret, /r/shitThe_DonaldSays, /r/fuckthealtright, /r/taxmarch, /r/the_shulz /r/Trumpnicknames, /r/againsthatesubreddits (ironic), /r/the_cheeto, /r/TheDuped, /r/antiTrumpalliance, /r/tinyhandsinc /r/NeverTrump, /r/IndivisibleGuide, /r/BannedfromThe_Donald /r/justicedemocrats, /r/unpresidented, /r/Marchforscience, /r/TrumpforPrison /r/TinyTrumps, /r/hillaryclinton, /r/socialism, /r/MiloForPrison, /r/EnoughRightSpam, /r/EnoughAltRightSpam, /r/WTFAmerica, /r/EnoughGOPSpam, /r/liesTrumptoldus, /r/TrumpAdviceAnimals /r/regrettingTrump, /r/politicalhumor, /r/MarchAgainstDonald, /r/esist etc as is most of reddit at this point.

Breitbart. No one who wants truth, and no one who isn't right leaning, is going to post that drivel.

Come again? The only president in US history to espouse conspiracy theories? You sure about that?

I delete them all the time, sorry detective, you failed this time.

Glad i could trigger you

The guys just an alt right troll. Not sure if he believes what he posts but it's pretty obvious that it's just trolling and trying to start fights.

Sure, they are trying to say it is neutral, but it isn't. That is like saying republicans and democrats are the same. They might be on some things but overall they aren't. It is usually conservatives who rush to call them the same to hide their embarrassment over the things done by their party.

It the same here. You get rw'ers running about claiming everyone is a shill and brigading when you know it has been mostly from the donald and allowed here by right leaning mods. Take a look at some new donald users, I saw on the other day who had 500k karma in 3 months, looking at snoopsnoo showed it all coming from the donald (via bots obviously).

The same to you good friend. We have both displayed our massive intellects to the world through these few reddit comments. Good show sir! [I don't care what you think, I enjoy just insulting you, you dipshit.]