Great post @Loud_Volume... you're one of the MVPs here.

Please make sure that the evidence stays out there in case this thread gets deleted.

Has anyone checked the 'other discussions' tab? We're being labelled as what they are, violent pyschopaths.

Some of the comments: 191 points and 89% upvoted wow

to be honest at what point do you start worrying about getting these people some help jesus, hard to believe people honestly believe and spend time on this

also lol "This is why we have share blue", I like how it's always the liberals that are complicit, never the right

Ultimately, this is why I'm legitimately worried about places like T_D, /pol/, voat, and Conspiracy. Conspiracy is definitely a recruiting ground to get people to join /pol/ or Voat and become further radicalized. Again, this reminds me very much of how Islamists recruit young men.

I mean, before crazy people elected Donald Trump, I thought, "meh, it's just crazy people on the internet." But it's a lot more terrifying than that. A crazy person on the internet can ruin lives, kill, and do so much damage.

It's really about time we (eg, the police, society) did stop thinking about online hate crimes as online hate crimes and really thought of them as just hate crimes.

Other things that apparently exist include witches, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, dragons, ect. THOSE STORIES EXIST FOR A REASON, SHEEPLE!

Maybe you are just not attuned to the frequency and the third dimension...

Nah, you're obviously part of the second dimension's plot to turn the world into cartoons.

It's basically an argument that's trying to unite the conspiracy community into an extremist religious cult.

It has it all. Pizzagate, Mandela effect, Satanism, pseudo scientific nonsense, blatant antisemitism, the call for "awakening" and unity against (((them))).

It's just missing the "We need to do something now" not so subtle call for vigilante violence. Maybe he's saving that for part 2.

It's a call for further radicalization. I wonder how far they are willing to go down this road. Will we see /r/conspiracy bombings? attempted assassinations? more vigilantism? They are becoming increasingly unhinged.

I think your apprehension is just the Devil whispering in your ear that this stuff isn't real. Open your heart up to the truth! Forget about your doubts and see the world for what it really is! We are offering you freedom! You have received the word. We at r/conspiracy will be here for you when you are ready to accept it into your heart!

I didn't post any of those comments! Someone has started a group demonizing everything.

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What was he saying?

I was just fucking with him. He was saying how we are like ISIS and r/the_donald , Voat, Pol/ etc just existed to radicalize people. He said in the future we are going to see r/conspiracy bombings. It was really long and extremely well written post. I didn't believe the premise but he made a good case. I wrote that to make it sound that we really radicalized.

From a bro to a bro i love you dude your a beautiful being and thanks for that bright light shining from you!

have you read The Three Magic Words?

Awesome Work as usual LoudVolume...

Keep the great work coming. Numerous people have either left the sub or give into the ridicule coming from the "three letter agencies". Your work is more important then ever :)

I have posted many times about the Mayan Calendar and how the 2012 end times scare was truly a new birth of consciousness for man kind. A golden age of consciousness if you will. This has been heavily documented and researched and has been a pretty interesting topic of discussion.

Nassim Haramein published his quantum gravity solution to the Library of Congress showing that the proton is holographic, all is one on 12/21/2012.

;)

haven't read all of this yet, but upvoting because it seems you've put a lot of effort into this

If you put as much effort in your actions to make the world better as your words, I think that's great.

But if they believe what they're saying, you're wrong. Are you calling OP a liar?

I'm sorry- I can't understand your statement. Can you rephase? Am I calling OP a liar- no. I'm not really saying anything about his post. I notice he is talking about making the world better and wrote a long post. So I connected the two without commenting on the actual content.

Oh. Ignorance. Ok.

But if they believe what they're saying, you're wrong.

Who's they? That's my confusion.

The OP. The writer whose work you're commenting on without reading.

I'm sorry, I still don't understand what I am wrong about. I saw OP's post. It seemed long and references a lot of thing I don't personally agree with. I see references to peace and love, though. I decide I want to show OP support for those things and the effort he put in, without endorsing his specific comments. That is why I left my specific comment, which I think is true. It also was meant to point out that words aren't enough to make meaningful change and to hopefully (doubtful) make OP think, hmm am I actually making the world better or just writing about it. Writing is so important for encouraging others, but some people are all talk and no action.

So to be clear you've still made no attempt whatsoever to understand the message but you still feel your reaction is appropriate?

I bet you're a blast at concerts. "Quit bitching and find a girlfriend!"

Maybe we have different definitions of no attempt whatsoever. Maybe you think the only type of comment that is permissible is by someone who reads the post and is commenting on the specific content of the post? I think it is fair to see a long post, not wish to read it but commend the effort even if you strongly disagree with parts of it, based on a quick scan of it.

I think if you don't read the whole post, you aren't really entitled to post your opinion of it.

Great post! Saved for later when I have more time to go through links.

I skimmed through and saw the following. Always a sign of a good post:

"I love quoting Nikola Tesla to make a comparison for this.

“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.""

If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe

I have heard of the Cycle of Nins. Is that along the lines of what you are referring to?

Do they use CERN to create new patterns? Or they use it in conjunction with existing universal patterns?

not sure about cern but yeah, that's what I was referring too. Just another tesla quote.

Good job man. Probably one of the best and honest posts I have ever read. I will also try and share this with the most people I can. Amazing work!

Dann. Great post.

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Do you think there's a way we could turn that against them?

Shift the value of money. That's the glue,they lose a large part of their control of us if we valued each other instead of their system.

Cool, how do we do that?

Getting rid of the fiat system would be a start.

Majority of congress is cabal. Anyone currently in power wants to keep that power for themselves and their families.

We can and will. Learn about blockchain, ethereum and blockchain tech. Crypto currency is getting too big to fail.

I agree. It is undeniably the only shot we have at pivoting away from fiat. Do your due diligence and you'll see it's very exciting!!

We will do it in many ways. But I think what will have the biggest impact will be sea levels rising and flooding all the coastal areas. This will displace many millions of people and disrupt the current financial system as we will be geared towards survival and not our jobs and businesses.

You may have heard the term financial reset, it gets reset during a global event like what is already starting to happen to the Earth. Caps melting, seas rising. Floods. Available land will begin to change in a somewhat short time. Commerce and what we have currently will not continue in that environment.

This is the purpose of the wall. Anarchy in places that will be hit hardest like...Mexico.

Yeah alright. Because the real issues will be coastal nations in the Caribbean and those in Central America. They will find a way regardless. Fuck a wall.

Unfortunately, rising sea levels won't affect the majority of the US. Only coastal cities and areas, however much of the rest of the world will be facing problems. French Polynesia is already starting to feel the effects of rising sea levels, for example.

It certainly will be a financial reset, if not a catastrophic one. Think Waterworld for an idea of what might happen, though that's too Hollywoodish.

the majority of the big cities/population are in the coastal areas though, for a lot of other countries too.

see heatshock maps of a 10 celsius degree rise in global temperature....

Have you ever seen Fight Club? You know that scene where he fights himself in his bosses office? Its about knowing that you need to make sacrifice on a level that will hurt you in order to break your bonds of corporate slavery. It means to stand up like a man and take a punch in the jaw. To physically strike. Get it?

To physically strike. Get it?

no, could you elaborate please?

can i stand up like a chick?

Absolutely.

Honestly, Do not pay taxes. Money is thier system of control. If everyone united and refused to pay they would lose thier power over us.

If everyone united and refused to pay

there would be NO garbage collection, No road repairs or repairing of other "Public utilities" like the power and water supplies etc

There would be No public schools, Medicare or Unemployment/disabilit benefits etc ect etc

still think that's a "good idea"?

"Still think that's a "good idea"?

Yes and no. I dislike the idea of society crumbling, as I dont want to see any of my fellow countrymen suffer. However this society is sick, sick in body, mind and spirit.

Perhaps you right though, Im more than willing to hear your input and solution.

However this society is sick, sick in body, mind and spirit.

yes it is indeed!

The solution? To be aware of this and realize "if I'm not part of the solutioon, I'm part of the problem"

The singular most important thing you can do is act upon you knowledge that "humans" are One group and the more 'separated' we are, the less happy we shall be

it might sound ironic, but eventually the best thing that could happen to this planet is a "one world government" that is a responsible group of people who 'manage and distribute the planet's resources' in such a way as to provide food, shelter and education for everyone

But the only way that can happen is IF "people" stop being "patriots" of any country, and not only realize we live in a Global World and only the financiers can make bank from trading all the different currencies aka foreign exchange and the "derivatives" markets.

So If there was only "one world currency", Bitcoin would be great (but it's still impractical to do/use worldwide) there would no longer be anywhere for this financial madness known as "foreing exchange trading" to happen

This would effectively remove a LOT of the current banksters from the game as well as stop "the Forex Highly Sophisticated Stupidity Game" forever!

That's what the world really needs and asap! Alas, most people hear the words "one World anything" and their patriotic hackles rise, instantly forgetting that the internet has already made it "one world"! Look at you and I, I reckon we're probably half the planet apart (I'm in Australia) and yet we share likely share very similar views onmany things, yet for some reason we have been taught that "our country IS Best country" ... which is the IDEAL WAY to get the people to separate themselves. Teach them to have some intense natiional pride OR religion, both create the perfect "us Vs them" mentality

and it's this 'division' between us average people that is allowing TPTB to 'get together with each other and agree on how best they can use 'the people'?"

Which leads to the shitty kind of competitive world we live in, whose people have been so well conned, that they believe that it's quite fine for the US to invade other countries and call it National Security and the soldiers in fuckin Iraq are somehow "defending the US", and fuck everyone else btw!

How are those ideas, to begin with? :D

Absolutely horrendous

why?

the best thing that could happen to this planet is a "one world government"

You beliefs are slave think.

and you cklearly don't think' at all

I explained 'why this is the case in my earlier post

How about a Logical rebuttal instead of "Na, that's bullshit" or is that the best you can do?

must be the mind kontrol IF you can't think for yourself!

1) You currently think like a slave, because you believe you need external rulers. 2) I gave you an alternative planetary consciousness based on Ubuntu Contributionism, which you certainly have not reviewed: https://ubuntuplanet.org 3) Your ego is your current limited sphere of consciousness. 4) I hope you can get past your ego-bound slave-think basal consciousness. But that requires years of self-reflection and self-respect. It is a difficult task, but I believe in you, because I too was as programmed as you, yet I am a successful initiate of The Great Work. Much Love

because you believe you need external rulers.

you have NO idea what I do or do not "believe", that's your first mistake, assuming

And here you do so again by telling me that "I need your Ubuntu rules to "understand'

2) I gave you an alternative planetary consciousness based on Ubuntu Contributionism,

LOL, well *they;re not your "own ideas" either!

You're not even 'conscious' let alone 'awake'!

WTF dude, talk about a strawman!

The seed I planted will take time and the generative principle of care to germinate. It is up to you.

dude, you forget!

I'm "under mind Kontrol", you told me yourself

(and we both know that strangers on the internet knows all!)

I know a few things, here's a webpage which, even as a dedicated forum to such things, only covers some of the things I have become aware of over the past 30 odd years!

Suck on this; http://hybridsrising.com/Articles/Hybrids-Rising-A-Slice-Of-Time-Art.html

It's a basic synopsis of many of the (non 'pizzagate' etc) topics mentioned here. It will only take a few hours to look at ata few weeks to look at most of the links

have fun

I am familiar with much of the work you have presented, and have done enough shadow work to recognize Truth from misinformation.

You are stuck in the plane of effects. To find the solution to humanity's problems, you must become familiar with the plane of causality.

The seed (or entwined essence) needs no explanation. Truth is self evident.

and have done enough shadow work to recognize Truth from misinformation.

Give me one example of the two

To find the solution to humanity's problems,

I can't "find", nor am I looking for "the answers to humanity's problems", Iknow what i need to do and am trying to do it.

Yes, "Truth is self evident."

But, making comments like this esoteric ego trip of "I planted the seedin you" type self agrandising comment that makes it clear you are no where near as "enlightened" *as you think you are! Look up the Dunning Kruger effect, you're experiencing it!

laters spacecadet

The seed (or entwined essence) needs no explanation.

The seed I planted

p.s. fuckin hell, you've got some tickets on yourself!

The "seed" you planted?lol

Pray tell what do you think can grow from it?

That's not true. If you believe that, then you are under mind control.

ok, what would happen then oh wise "unmindkontrolled" one?

Ubuntu contributionism: https://ubuntuplanet.org

Yep, because rather than giving our money to other people for our roads and trash we spend our money directly on our needs. Why do we need a middle man? They aren't good at being in charge. The roads here are atrocious and these citizens pay and pay and pay to the State, hoping things will get better.

They won't.

Why do we need a middle man?

the same reason you need a 'corner store' ... to aid distribution

whoi would repair the roads or remove the rubbish IF they don't get oaid for doing so?

Now what can I do as someone starting their life journey? I don't want to fuck it up by not paying taxes in my youth.

Education.

It absolutly will "fuck it up". Not paying your taxes will land you in prison. They know, we know this, They count on it, fear of imprisonment is a good deterrent. Carrot or the stick. Play the game you might be given a carrot. However theres not enough prisons to hold everyone. Listen I dont have all the answers, infact I could be dead wrong. Im just trying be part of the solution by thinking up an idea for a peaceful resolution.

Not paying taxes wont' do anything. The biggest tax is inflation. You can't not pay that unless you decide to have an alternative money system. The US Gov. bombs or invades countries that try to get off the petro-dollar.... what do you think they'll do to you?

Timothy Mcveigh should've been considered a hero among us. In reality he killed innocent people, united the people on the side of the government, and gave the powers that be an example of 'crazy' conspiracy theorists.

If we want to take back the country it has to be at an infiltrating, calculated level. Individuals must be killed and videos must be made of their confessions. Talk about a mass awakening? Imagine kid napping Hillary Clinton and getting her to confess on video about the sex rings in Haiti and her husbands involvment in government sponsored drug cartels operated. Then sending this tape out across all social media platforms, physical copies, and out to independent media such as wikileaks (if you trust them), zero hedge, infowars (if you trust them), RT (" "), etc. If we can start gathering a massive wave of puppet figures admitting to a cabal and their practices, we would instanteoulsy send a ripple world wide. It was big news about South Koreas satanic cult coming to light, but the self-proclaimed leader of the democratic world?

"If a thousand [citizens] were not to pay their tax-bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. This is, in fact, the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible." — Henry David Thoreau

just open up your heart chakra dude.

Eh... I'm gonna need something a bit more substantial than imaginary energy pools. What if a bunch of us just trained our whole lives to get into Congress, succeeded, and then rapidly bit back at every financial ogre that got us there in the first place? Wal-Mart wants to drop the minimum wage so more people are on food stamps? Raise the minimum wage. Fracking companies want land? Sign legislation that makes the land protected. Just undo all the damage they've done and prevent more damage from occurring while giving them a giant middle finger.

/s

Nice idea. But you would all be suicided off

He would have been dead a few times by now. Great ideas but they will kill you.

Men don't have the power to put the Devil away. But God does, and he is sending an Angel to do the job. Right now is about balance. The scales have been tipped against us in the past, but that is now changed. The bad actors will be locked up just like Satan. The Devil's tool is fear, money, and more fear. Remember, you can't serve money and God. And fear is not of the Lord!

Uh.... okay? Look, if that helps you sleep at night, then good for you, but I cannot believe any of this without some solid evidence to back it up. Instead of worrying about supernatural beings, an afterlife that may or may not exist, and an apocalypse that may or may not happen, why don't we do something about the tangible and provable lunatics that we KNOW exist?

Like North Korean leadership? Know what I mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noQsHiTJAXo

this is how it will be done!

Couldn't you just do what the enemy does? Profile these 8,000 people in control. Find out every detail of their life. Then blackmail them to whistleblow or they die... Not a very humane option.. But its a war guys. Kill em all. Overnight control would leave their dirty hands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noQsHiTJAXo

.01%*

Precisely. I know several people who are the 1% and I guarantee they're not working to serve the elite.

I found an interesting comment in one of the videos linked:

Randal Turner2 days ago

Hello Craig, At the age of 16 I was used and abused by the people you claim you're going to hunt down. I carried the nuclear briefcase when Reagan was shot. Bush Sr. and Haig used me to get the codes then hold them hostage until Reagan gave Bush Sr. control over the US-China trade agreement. Bush wanted to sell arms to China and Reagan wouldn't cooperate. That's not all Bush Sr. has done. You claim you want to help the victims, well I am one of them. I am going to get justice on my own if nobody will help. Bring your camera's while I go around from bank to bank taking the money owed to me for what was done to me.
You can go to my facebook page and see a photo of me laying on the ground with the Briefcase when Reagan was shot. Link: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009933761469. I also added a video that proves I was there and it was me. The reason they couldn't open the cop car door to place Hinckley in the back seat is because I was inside with the Nuclear briefcase protecting it. Are you man enough to help a real victim? If not how about you bring your camera man and film me taking my money from the banks, I can guarantee you will get millions of hits on your youtube channel from the video when they know the truth of my past and what my government did to me.

Fucking hell 😲😲😲

Sounds like a setup

Maybe since there are all of these arrests and investigations, including even the investigations by dudes in their basement, some people feel they have a chance to come out in the open. I saw pedo ring shit on television, so it seems like not everyone is on board with the cover up.

Dr Phil - March 21, 2017 - Child Trafficking Victim Comes Forward

Maybe with all this going on, the dude got the balls to post a youtube comment. Who knows, maybe he will have a "heart attack" next week.

Yeah look at his profile so they know your real name, very clever!

I don't think many of us here use facebook let alone having it logged in all the time.

My grandpa makes enough to qualify as a part of the one percent here in Canada, defendantly doesn't serve any elite conspiracy. To bad that wealth doesn't come toward me at all.

kids in the hall....."the monkeys!".....

to be in the 1% of earners you must earn 450,000 per year. not many jobs outside of banking/investing that actually pay that well.

and every one of those guys is serving the elite even if they think they're only serving themselves.

job --> making money

That's not how it works lad.

career paths? does that phrase work better?

I am just joking.

Business and Investing is where big money (100s of ml) is made (though the barrier entry is usually very high). Even the highest paying job will not get you more than 1m, be it banking, finance, etc. Except if you are C-executive in a Fortune500 (a few 100s of people) salary will not get you big-money.

That's a very narrow minded way of thinking.

what is? that the bankers and investors serve the 1%?

My significant other is the 1% and not an evil banker or investor working for the Rothchilds. All you're doing is taking away from people with valid theories in here. Some people in here might suggest that you could be a shill for doing so.

Well, pretty much everyone who gets money eventually wants to protect it.... Rebellious rock star with anti-establishment lyrics, maverick director whose films are about exploitation by The Man... They get rich and famous and they are told to "grow" their money. Same goes for successful small biz owners, well paid computer consultants, etc... Basically the 1%.

Some of them realize that having that money in a bank or a vanilla stock portfolio is simply buying into the support of a pyramid scheme with the 0.01% at the top. Or 0.001% or whatever.

But how many of them really care about the work, research, and risk entailed in alternative investment? They are convinced they can't just stick it under a pillow.

So without tacit approval, and besides the small fraction who really dig under the surface, yes the 1% is mostly serving the super elite.

So if you're in the 2% then are you peachy then?

If you have (just about) any stocks, or any savings in a bank, or even a interest-bearing checking account, then you are investing into the system (and are part of it)...

If you have a mortgage, or student loans, or credit card debt, you are the target of the system.

I think a lot of people are actually victims on both edges of the sword at the same time.

Sorry to correct you bro, but 0.1% of 8billion is 8,000

Hey, if you find it necessary, then by all means.

lol, btw I agree with much of what you've posted

I like your style bro ;D

Haha thank you, my brotha :)

One thousandth of 8,000,000,000 is 8000?

Ok ...

1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000 x 1,000 = 1 Billion

1 Billion is 1,000,000,000 or "One thousand million"

1% of a thousand is 10.

0.1% of 1,000 is 1

0.01% of 1000 is 0.1

Profit

shit, I was . .. . Wrong!

bugger

But, 8,000 x 8,000 = 64,000,000

x 10

= almost 7 billion!

And 0.1% of 7 billion is 7 million

and 0.01% of 7 or 8 billion is 700k

we'd have to go two more zeroes in to get 7-8,000

0.0001% of 7 billion is 7,000

phew! that was refreshing in my baked state!

So I must've meant to say, "8,000 is 0.0001% of the world's population, but I forgot ;D

ergo sum;

I was/am still Wrong, even after writing that!

Hey! Never forget that two 'negatives' equal a positive .... in maths!

And mathematics they tell us, is 'pure logic'. yup!

And yet it's all Lies, damned Lies I tell you!

TF I'm bringing this up on the conspiracy sub, coz if that aint some kind of cosmic conspiracy hiding in plain sight, well, I don't know what is!!

Hiding The Great Math Catastrophe from us! whoa! There's probably some supermassive number heading towards earth, bigger than a Googleplex!

And knowing NASA, it's probably also an 'imaginary negative' number that kinda looks like a Bitcoin account number, that will kill us ALL when it gets to our point in spacetimespace and cashes in!

If the purely logical maths is wrong . .. and the Blockchain .. then what? ^{see below}

p.s. I've heard that, "A fool can ask more questions in a minute than a wise man can answer in a lifetime"

^{No more drugs!} that's what!

may much peace love and many mung beans be upon you, random internet stranger friend ;D

Damn son that must be some good weed

;D it is! But my head's not where that story came from!

But, 8,000 x 8,000 = 64,000,000

x 10

= almost 7 billion!

Well, I have to give you marks for effort! Using my calculator, I get 640 million (640, 000, 000), not almost 7 billion.

bugger! smarty pants with the calculator has shown that,

I was a whole order of magnitude out!

shit

What percentage of x is y?

(Y/x)*100

8000/7,500,000,000=0.0000010666...

0.00000106666...*100=0.00010666...%

Y yes, it's xciting eh!?

Do we have an idea of who exactly these overlords are? I'm assuming the Rothchilds and maybe the Rockefellers. Anyone else?

A bunch of families that go back very many generations. Most of them you probably haven't heard of but you can pick up a few here and there on the web. But essentially these 'bloodlines' have some importance to them.

There are also many factions within the 8000. But essentially each faction heads up certain areas of commerce and military and etc. They don't all work together either. There is no oversight or over seer. The DuPont family would be an example of one of the public families within the 8000.

One, not very public at all is the Farnese family. The Farnese family is the main architect of the Cabal as they have created the Jesuits with a little help of the Borja family back in the 1540s. Immediately after that, they have built their first Pentagon in Caprarola near Rome:

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benefishy i was just thinkin of you so hard ... you must have been really really busy lately ;0

Chickyrogue. My sista from another mista. Yes. Hence the need for telepathy. ;)

i ve missed you and hafta go back and find some interesting things to post at spirit army i did answer some mod mail about two days ;0

weeks old we 're terrible ;0]

Heh. We aren't mods though, really. <--- so we are not terrible at what we are not.

See what I did there? I totally got us off the hook.

i did notice that just i had no idea mail was even waiting

i guess those beady eyes werent blaring enough

how are your horses

get a room :)

not appropriate it would be incenstrial

I am sorry. Also, that word made my head hurt for a minute.

figuratively speaking ... my spelling often has that same effect

I got your meaning. And the coining of a term is always cool. Especially if it makes sense. Cheers.

its been a long day so thanks yourself ;0

london callin?

Train in vain.

i live by the river ! [or trains ] all my life funny no?

i live by the river ! [or trains ] all my life funny no?

Probably dreaming of a perfect patch of grass.

which i am cerain you are carpeting for them ;0

how are the birds of paradise

Sarah: “How many people knew about this project?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’m not sure. Perhaps five or six knew the total scope of the project and another fifty knew elements of the project. It was, as I said before, a very well-guarded secret.”

Sarah: “How do you keep something like this a secret?”

Dr. Neruda: “There are entire departments within our government that have responsibility for this. It’s a very well-engineered process that includes legal contracts, clear penalty reminders, and known deterrence factors that include very invasive technologies. In the worst case, if vital information was disclosed, a different but related department would step in that would masterfully spread disinformation. It was, and still is, virtually impossible to bring this information to the public.”

Sarah: “They had invasive technologies even in 1945?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. While the invasive technologies were more crudely applied, they were certainly effective. There was nothing more vilified in these undisclosed organizations than traitors. The entire organizational culture was designed to reward loyalty and severely punish disloyalty in any form.”

bst http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread368527/pg1

project blank slate. Two points I would mention.

One is that yes you can alter the past but that would take an agreement of all involved with the event to also alter or forget the past memory.

Second, to actually travel to a past, it would create another probable reality for that person only. Basically that person would reenter into another timeline parallel to the reality they left. They wouldn't be altering probabilities in This timeline.

This is a subject with a lot of confusion, time and reality are more multidimensional and expansive than our awareness of it. In order for a person to actually alter the past they would have to alter countless choices , not just one. Any person would be incapable of choosing again what others have already done.

I'm not so much talking about the BST tech as for everything else he discusses

take your time looking through those interviews, esp the last two

take it easy amigo

http://www.senatorfarnese.com

There is one of the Farnese ,currently a senator.

The Devil runs/ran the show in the shadows and has deceived the world. This is the truth. Yes, there are evil men that hold "power," but they answer to the Devil (even if they don't know it.) But do not join them! Their destruction will come swiftly. Better a shack on the rock than a castle in the sand.

Royals.

Exactly where did people get the 8,000 from? Is that just a guess?

Look up Ronald Bernard and you will understand the 8000 number.

Who's he?

a guy who put his conscious in a deep freeze and almost lost his soul......

his conscious in a deep freeze and almost lost his soul

How? Can you measure consciousness? How can you transfer it and tell it really worked without having to take the guy's word for it?

kirlian photography?

What is that and how does it work?

it is a way of taking picture of the electric body

basically you put your hand on a electric plate that measure your electric field.....

thus showing your inner nature....

"Taking picture of the electrical body" is exactly what an MRI and other kinds of medical equipment do. Here's what the output tends to look like.

Now tell me, how does one go from this data to being certain one has a consciousness? Because you can make an electrical map of a lightbulb, but that doesn't make it conscious, or smart, or even thinking.

i studied chaos theory in college and we call this

Emergent Behaviour.......

conscious is a strange loop.

I looked up emergent behavior. Wikipedia. The idea is that more complex structures can form some interesting results as they grow and change. The thing is, for the majority of complex structures we are very aware of how the interesting results are the product of the complex structure, except for brain patterns. Now, could someone actually tell me what consciousness is and what qualities of the brain created it (AKA, how is consciousness created in a neural structure)? If you're the kind of person who thinks all living things have consciousness, please be aware that for certain flatworms we have mapped every single neuron, where they're located, and what neurons they're attached to, so it would be much easier to start there.

well.....i am pagan so.....

my take on kirlian photography is that it is imagining "chi"

as for what chi is........

we in the alternate medicine community call it "bioelectricity"

and you can definitely feel it in martial arts.

"bioelectricity"

How is bioelectricity supposed to be different from normal electricity, which also occurs biologically and is how neurons work? What organs or cell structures originate it? How is it mechanically contained or transferred? What quantum particles is bioelectricity composed of? What wavelength do they have? What affects does having more or less of it have on a variety of physical and chemical reactions?

Or, if you want to go down a different rabbit hole, what device does kirilian photography use? What is that device made of? What properties of the device allow it to read bioelectricity? How does one interpret the output data?

And lastly we can go through everything from my last comment with bioelectricity substituted in for neurons. What components of biolelectricity and its deployment in humans allow it to create a consciousness?

I'm quite certain that all of these lines of questioning bottom out somewhere with you saying you have no clue, but that you will give up and stop replying long before then.

see aura imaging

invented by guy coggins

Well then what is Aura imaging? What is Aura? How are auras created? What are auras composed of?

You're really digging your own grave here.

the cells of the body are batteries

they both create and respond to bioelectricity......

Cells manipulate chemical energy by transforming hydrocarbons down the mitochondrial cascade to manipulate the shape of proteins to create an ion gradient on different sides of a membrane, the release of which is used hydromechanically to smash phosphorous ions onto Adenine to create ATP, which can then be destroyed elsewhere to perform other functions.

One of these functions is to power protein pumps that move ions across a membrane to create a different ion gradient along synapses, the release of which generates an electrical charge which travels down the axon in a series of similar reactions until the end node of the neuron is activated, releasing biochemicals which start the process again in the next cell over. This is how our nervous system works, and I can give you relevant sources if you want some.

Now, nowhere in there is a mention of bioelectricity, nor anything that functions like a battery. So tell me, what am I missing here? What biological components within a cell creates and somehow manages to store "bioelectricity"? Be sure to give a description of what bioelectricity actually is so I can be sure the biological components would actually be able to do that.

see the qigonginstitute.org/catagory/22/the-scientific-basis-of-qigong-and-energy-medicine

http://www.qigonginstitute.org/catagory/22/the-scientific-basis-of-qigong-and-energy-medicine

I copy and pasted this exact link into the search bar and got an Error-404. Do you have a screenshot?

sorry......baby boomer here.

this is on google.....

to close chi gong is the reason i'm still alive.

That is very good. I'm glad you found a way to relieve stress and have time for personal introspection. I'm sure the increase in positive emotions and lack of mental strangulation have placebo'd a turn for the better for you.

This, however, does not prove anything we've discussed prior.

scientific qi measurement-jade dragon alaska......on google.

Okay found it. First of all I see that this website has no academic credentials whatsoever, and while it claims to be summarizing research it does not link to the actual academic papers the studies would have to produce in order to be legitimate. More troubling is the only journal they mention this study being published in is "Alternative Therapies". Do you know what they call alternative medicine that has been proven to work? MEDICINE. It isn't alternative if it's a practice that can actually be used. They also cited the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, which was dissolved in 2013. Lastly, they do not give the time, date, location, or the author of the study, nor any of the participants, which makes it essentially impossible to verify that it actually happened. There is absolutely nothing to say that they didn't make the entire thing up.

On a more logical note the study makes no attempt to explain how the radiation stemming from the participant's hands is supposed to heal people. In fact I would expect it to make certain medical complications worse, including and especially cancer.

Unless you have better sources than this, we've bottomed out. Keep in mind that we haven't gotten anywhere near the crazy lengths OP got to, his argument basically tripped over the starting block.

i've been a reiki practitioner for a quarter of a century

i don't think i've given anybody cancer......

Obviously not, because as far as science can tell you don't actually emit radiation.

that's good to know.....

kirlian photography images reiki.....

But you still haven't explained how that device works, what bioelectricity is, or any of the three groups of questions I brought up a while ago.

bioelectricity seems to work by induction.......

like one tuning fork acting at a distance from another

you can say reiki is information.....

seems to

And the entire outside world seems to have disappeared. In reality it's just dark outside.

like one tuning fork acting at a distance from another

This works because there are measurable vibrations in the air, originating from the resonant frequency of the first fork, and inducing the same frequency on the second fork. This is all measurable and well documented. You have so far given me no mechanisms by which anything remotely similar occurs in holistic healing, or how this transfer of resonance is supposed to heal people. You are having on to the last thread and dodging my questions in the hope that you don't have to face the answer.

people have run reiki and long distance healing on me for more than 20 years......

works for me.

Like I said a while earlier, the placebo effect is surprisingly strong and occasionally spooky. Positive thinking and a decrease in lifestyle stress have also been shown to drastically improve quality of life, speeding the healing process.

But the actually process itself does not have any noted scientific benefit beyond the margin of error that can't be explained as placebo effect. You can't explain how reiki is actually supposed to do anything.

reiki people do recharge batteries.....

i haven't changed the batteries on my alarm clock in years.

Alarm clocks don't use a whole lot of juice. You wouldn't have to change the batteries for years. And I will give you $500 if you can walk into a lab and prove that, and a pile of upvotes if you can find a reliable academic source of someone else doing so.

reiki awakening: electric reiki 2008

reiki awakening academy

From their website:

I help them naturally release stress, relieve pain, heal faster, shed emotional baggage, and gain an awareness of their mind-body connection.

These are the only claims they make about the "mystical powers" at stake here. I'm fine with all of those things, as I explained earlier meditative stress release + placebo affect can do wonders for some people. It's only the explanation of "magical energy" behind it that I have a problem with. Nowhere on the website does it explain how the energy originates beyond "within the healer", which is less informative than saying that dirt originates on the ground.

Give me academic sources explaining the origin mechanisms for the energy or shut up and eat the loss. You've backpedaled and misdirected too far.

www.reiki.org/reikinews/scientificmeasures.htm

scientific measures of the human energy field

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Here's some (for the lack of a less stronger word) "clarification" on what's the name/description of the "deity" the globalist cabal worships.

Many are lead to belive the only names are "Satan" or "Lucifer", these are "obscurations" of the original name/description.

"Satan" means litterally "Enemy/Opponent", it's a quasi Title. "Lucifer" meaning light/light-bearer, a description of how the being looks itself.

Traceing back in time you get the "original" Hebrew words used, which are as closest to the truth as it's publicly available: llyh / הָלַל / pronunced Heylel

I would agree, and through my observations I think OP is on the same wavelength.

Satan is more or less the archetype for the Abrahamic religions, but based on one (or more) of the mesopotamian/egyptian gods, also real people, Marduk/Hadad/Set/Baal etc.

Satanism is also a broad term used for Archonic ritual or communion with demons, which is technically Luciferian. Lucifer could be called 'satan' as a title. But Lucifer is not physical and exists in plasma layer of the space around the Earth for the last 26,000 years.

Have you considered that the other (fake) "gods" like the Greek,Roman,Norse,Egyptian,Babylonian etc. are based on llyh and his "fallen angels" instead of the other way around ?

But Lucifer is not physical and exists in plasma layer of the space around the Earth for the last 26,000 years.

A "light-being/angel" in form of Electricity-Plasma is a very likely assumption, because basically every being and object can be "broken down" to "Power" itself.

The 26,000 years are the hard part, where did you get that number ?

Yes they are a mix of positive and negative. Some 5D and above groups that came did not want to be seen as gods, like the Pleiadians for example. Most of this happened right after the destruction 10k-12k years ago and was a continuation of events in Atlantis and Lemuria when everything was very different. The myths of Greece, Rome, Egypt, Norse are all stories of real people (higher-density humanoid non-terrestrials) and many of them are overlapping the same characters across multiple cultures.

Lucifer was an angel/archangel but all higher density beings can choose their form at will. I imagine Lucifer could once take a form, but I don't believe it can now. I think that it copies but can no longer create. In that sense we are more powerful, which it why it has to trick us.

You might be interested to keep up with Cobra's updates here on the Light forces (Galactic Federation / Sphere Being Alliance / other Angelics) in dissolving Yaldaboath.

26,000 years is a galactic orbit around the central star of the milky way. My information comes from several sources, but mainly Pleiadian guides.

One galactic orbit is 250,000,000 years.

26,000 is closer to the great year, which is the time it takes the earth to precess.

Like this?

But Lucifer is not physical and exists in plasma layer of the space around the Earth for the last 26,000 years.

the fuck?

where are you getting this information? can you cite it for me? i'm genuinely interested.

I'm not the OP. But the Bible does call Lucifer "The Prince of the Air". And talks about how the people who hadn't been "Woke" basically belonging to him. So maybe he is on to something

But the Bible does call Lucifer "The Prince of the Air"

I'm intrigued. Care to expand?

Ephesians 2:2 "In which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience"

The New Testament talks a lot about how the Wicked Rule This World. One of the most interesting parts is when the Devil offers Jesus all the kingdoms on Earth. This has always been interpreted to mean that Satan rules all the Kingdoms of Earth since he can give them to Jesus. The Kingdom of God only exists in the Spiritual World. There is a verse In Isiah that personally reminds me of PizzaGate it talks about how because the people of God didn't wipe out the Cannanites that they would be a thorn in their side forever. Again that Cannanite Theory is my own and I have no idea if it's correct or not.

In general there is a lot of talk about an unseen spiritual world that has huge influence on our lives.

Ephesians 2:2 "In which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience"

Interesting, thanks. But NT was written in Greek, and in Greek "air" means "aether" - perhaps it should be translated / interpreted differently?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_(classical_element)

"The word αἰθήρ (aithēr) in Homeric Greek means "pure, fresh air" or "clear sky". In Greek mythology, it was thought to be the pure essence that the gods breathed, filling the space where they lived, analogous to the air breathed by mortals."

The Kingdom of God only exists in the Spiritual World.

I think the kingdom is within you (the Gospel of Thomas).

This is very fascinating. So how do you think using the term "Aether" changes what is being said?

"Aether" seems to be something special and good, if you use it correctly, don't you think?

So why would Paul (or whoever wrote it) connect this potentially good spirit with "the children of disobedience"? Why would he need to pacify the disobedient?

Check Ralph Ellis. He says that Paul was a Roman historian Josephus Flavius who rewrote the gospels to change the narrative.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/785247/Jesus-coin-ancient-Ralph-Ellis-portrait-author-book

Cannanites

always leads back to those bastards. They should have got genocided better.

But the Bible does call Lucifer "The Prince of the powers of the Air"

FTFY

I found an interview with someone called HIdden Hand on the Above Top Secrect message boards. Luciferian is a group consciousness trapped here in the 4th dimension. It needs our bodies to escape and manifest. Hence, the matrix. It's their creation but its inverted and inside out, like they are.

There are languages older than Hebrew. Also, the Jews co-opted the gods and myths of the Babylonians while enslaved by them and the Babylonians took their gods and myths from the Sumerians.

I'm not saying it's aliens... call them what they want and where they're from is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they're here, and theyrefeeing on us emotionally, physically, and psychically.

The problem with some of the names is they are listed as names of angels. Whether because they were angels before a fall or Christianity just wanted to include all the old names. Let me see if I can find the site again and I'll edit it in.

Who the fuck is Dann?

He's a lieutenant.

I asked you yesterday to keep posting things like this, and you definitely delivered. Thank you, Loud_Volume! Keep spreading the light

I don't want to believe that people are so easily controlled. If you participate unknowingly once in something like this.
That doesn't make you an accomplice.

Your work, as always gives me a calming reminder to be still even in the chaos. Thank you!

We all exist on a certain frequency or wave length. Our bodies are dialed into this third dimensional time frame of existence. We all resonate to this frequency, thus we are all in tune with each other and the third dimension itself. If you have heard of Mass Consciousness, it ties into this. This is why group meditations can be so powerful.

Now, think about if you truly knew the truth of our reality, and could manipulate that global consciousness to your own will. Like a few Border Collies slowly leading a group of sheep in a direction. I hate using the sheep analogy but I hope I am providing a picture for you here.

Because of our Third Dimensional Reality, and the Universal Law of Free Will, this reality, or freqency, let's others experience and partake either in service to self or service to others. The Law of One is what this understanding is. Because we are behind a veil of amnesia, and do not truly know or remember everything we have experienced, it makes this illusionary reality seem "real" it makes it seem like you are your body and nothing more. It makes it so easy to think and believe that. I do not want to go into this too much but I implore you to think about the Possibilities that we are truly eternal souls that never die, and our Physical Bodies at this time are nothing more than a vessel for this time frame of existence for our soul and one of many life times we have and will live. Imagine such powerful perspectives, and then imagine what can be gained by keeping that kind of information from you. Imagine how much easier it would be to control a society that is unaware of what and who they are. Imagine how hard it would be to control a fully conscious self aware society that realizes we are more than our bodies.

Drivel.

Substantive.

Solid counterargument.

Because of our Third Dimensional Reality, and the Universal Law of Free Will, this reality, or freqency, let's others experience and partake either in service to self or service to others.

You really think a counterargument is needed?

I think out of all of that you picked the least controversial sentences. So are we not living in a 3D universe now or something? Is free will a conspiracy now?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, it's called the burden of proof. This is why you won't believe me when I say "There are blue rabbits on Pluto". You can't prove me wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm right.

This whole, entire post is BS born of a blogger tripping his balls off cheap acid. If you can give me proof that we have an immortal soul, you can show it to me, and go pick up your Nobel Prize afterwards.

What proof of an immortal soul can satisfy you? Obviously your own experience might, but then you would already be dead, so you would have to rely on the testimony of others would you not? Well that does exist already in the form of thousands of accounts of "near death experiences" where people are medically dead for a time before they are eventually revived, including other corroborating witness testimony from doctors/nurses/etc. in the hospital at the time.

Then there are also the many documented cases of general out of body experiences, remote viewing, astral projection, etc. that even the CIA has released files on demonstrating the validity of some kind of energy body or 'soul' outside of our physical one.

Then there are also the many documented cases of reincarnation evidence with corroborating testimonies.

No there aren't

Not that i disagree or agree because i havnt taken the time to research the topic, but do all of you guys get your stuff from the same manual? Imagine going up on stage at a debate and just saying... "no, your wrong."

Discussion helps people understand.

near death experiences, out of body experiences, remote viewing, astral projection

All of these are basically the same as dreams and hallucinations, simply electric currents moving between neurons. Is there any proof that those events have a detectable, measurable influence on the physical world? If not, the theory that a spiritual world is baseless, and lacks fundamental proofs.

the CIA has released files on demonstrating the validity of some kind of energy body or 'soul' outside of our physical one.

If you could source this, I'll re-write it in paper form and go pick up my nobel prize.

They're not "electric currents moving between neurons" when the person is declared dead and they have no measurable brain activity...the others occur while alive of course though and there have been many scientific experiments done (for instance, the Rhine Research Center at Duke University, and the CIA cases among others) that show a person confined in a room was able to observe a specific object/drawing/whatever in another room or country even.

when the person is declared dead and they have no measurable brain activity

No measurable brain activity doesn't mean no brain activity. It's impossible to measure very light brain activity without sticking electrodes in your skull. Not only that, hallucinations are known to distort the perception of time, such that the few seconds before your blood stopped circulating could feel like entire minutes, accompanied with the usual visual artefacts that accompany certain chemical being administered. As an aside, did you know massive amounts of opioids, endorphins and cortisols are release into the body when close to death?

many scientific experiments done (for instance, the Rhine Research Center at Duke University, and the CIA cases among others) that show a person confined in a room was able to observe a specific object/drawing/whatever in another room or country even.

Show me, just one of those. I'd love to be proven wrong.

The reason you won't show me one is that you know that your belief in the spiritual realm isn't based in reason. You believe there is more to this world because it's reassuring. A cold, scientific world where you die and it ends? That's terrifying. But I base my beliefs on what reason and reality tells me, rather than on what is comfortable.

If you believe there is more to this world, more power to you. Spirituality can be a power for good. But don't try to convince anyone that your position is supported by physical reality.

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Anecdotes from random people? Lucky guesses? Guessing there's a tennis ball on the roof? This is a big world with billions of people, unlikely stuff happens. If it's not repeatable in a controlled environment, there is no proof it is true.

Remote viewing is one such thing. The whole field of parapsychology in the 70s was plagued by bad methodologies, bad science, baseless conclusions and scientists putting their theory before the results.

http://www.tricksterbook.com/ArticlesOnline/PEARCritique.htm

Relevant parts:

The PEAR remote-viewing experiments depart from commonly accepted criteria for formal research in science. In fact, they are undoubtedly some of the poorest quality ESP experiments published in many years. The defects provide plausible alternative explanations. There do not appear to be any methods available for proper statistical evaluation of these experiments because of the way in which they were conducted.

Dunne et al. (1989, p. 13) specifically noted that targets were selected without replacement. This has important consequences for statistical analysis. It has been recognized for a long time that the analysis must consider the dependence caused by the without-replacement condition. In fact, Puthoff, Targ, and May (1981) even published a reanalysis of some of the early SRI remote viewing-experiments so that this dependence was taken into account.
The consequences of these two problems can be illustrated by examining the ratings matrix of Schlitz and Gruber (1980, p. 311). Their correctly computed probability value, by a direct count of permutations, was 4.7x10-6. We can implement the PEAR method and form a distribution of the off-diagonal elements. The mean of that distribution is 198.10 and the standard deviation is 92.21. A z score can be calculated for each of the 10 diagonal elements. The resulting composite z score is 6.410 which corresponds to a p value of 7.28 x 10-11.

We grant that the distribution is not normal, but it can be shown that the artifactual inflation of significance is not attributable to non-normality. Fortunately we can compute an exact probability value for a virtually equivalent statistical model (making the same false assumption about appropriateness of the baseline distribution). The sum of the 10 largest off-diagonal elements is less than the sum of the diagonal elements. Conservatively, this results in a probability of p = 80!10!/90! = 1.748 x 10-13; the corresponding normal approximation gives p = 5.35 x 10-12.

As can be seen, in this case the PEAR method gives a probability value incorrect by about five orders of magnitude. The statistical method of PEAR is fundamentally flawed.

If remote viewing existed, do you really think we could go 20 years without some psychology students trying to replicate some of those experiments? I go to a university, so I speak from experience: psych students would sell their mother and one of their balls for a chance to demonstrate remote viewing existed (And go collect their nobel prize afterwards). Yet, no one has managed to successfully replicate those experiments in 20 years. Has every student, in the whole world, been silenced for twenty years? Or were those experience completed sloppily by biased researchers?

You are right though. About this:

Science still has a lot to figure out and they've already acknowledged that the physical universe is a tiny fraction of reality.

We absolutely have a ton to figure out. Did you know that matter, stuff we can touch, stuff we can see, the stuff you, me, the Earth and the stars are made of, did you know that all of this constitutes only a small percentage of the universe according to our best models?

All the matter of the universe is 4% of its mass. 23% is supposed to be dark matter, which we have never seen or measured, and 73% is dark energy, which, well... We basically have no idea what it is, except that it has to exist or the fundamental laws of physics don't work.

There is plenty to be amazed by and to wonder about aimlessly in real science.

Well that was a really convoluted quote, and it only specifically referred to the Princeton program (PEAR). There are still universities actively researching paranormal phenomena (http://mentalfloss.com/article/54450/13-university-sanctioned-paranormal-research-projects). I'm guessing it's hard to demonstrate the validity of remote viewing because only a tiny rare percentage of people are able to do it and control their ability to that great of a degree. You can brush off thousands of unique accounts as merely anecdotes if you like, but to me it's significant evidence. Ball lightning is a similar thing. There were many many accounts in history of it but science/skeptics always said it was bullshit until proven and then finally in 2014 they got their proof because it's such a rare occurrence. People dying and coming back to life are rare occurrences, and same with the other stuff in general. It's hard to get a scientific method on these events but that doesn't mean they should just be discounted as nonsense. Unprovable for now, sure...but most likely possible is the attitude I'd like to see more people getting on board with instead of just clinging to proven science only as what's possible when we know nothing and science is constantly updating and changing.

I'm open to anything. And if it ever becomes provable, I guarantee you we'll both hear about it. Until then, I don't like "discounted as nonsense", it has a condescending tone. I prefer "Placed in the same box as cold fusion, perpetual movement machines and dark energy". Validation TBD.

It was nice speaking with you, no sarcasm. It's cool to have a polite discussion with some who holds a different viewpoint.

Free will is actually one of the most philosophically nitpicked concepts in existence... so yes.

In most cases they are preferred, yes. Otherwise you could just have said "I disagree" and moved on. Personally I find OPs post to be of quality enough substance to be worthy of a little more than a copy/paste and a 'drivel' stamp. But hey, that's just my .02

Did you not understand? Let mne maybe put it words that you can make sense of.

Because we live in a reality where people ha e free will, people can choose to serve themselves or serve others.

That is what I take away from your quote.

You shouldn't need a counterargument for bullshit like that lmao.

It's not drivel. I think this kind of stuff is absolutely fascinating to think about & discuss. I love a good philosophical discussion/debate.

But it certainly doesn't fit the overall post & might alienate some folks. Like you, maybe.

I think this kind of stuff is absolutely fascinating to think about & discuss. I love a good philosophical discussion/debate.

I don't want to come across as an asshole. I really don't. You seem genuine.

But there is no substantial philosophy or science of any kind here.

Because of our Third Dimensional Reality, and the Universal Law of Free Will, this reality, or freqency, let's others experience and partake either in service to self or service to others.

Questions I have:

-What does a third dimensional reality have to do with helping yourself or others?
-What is the universal law of free will? What are the implications or predictions of the law? How would a universe where the law is true be different from a universe where the law is false?
-The only law commonly referred to as "universal" is the Universal law of gravitation, which has remained a core fact of physics from 1687 to the present. Does the universal law of free will have a similar pedigree?
-If we live in a third dimensional reality, E=mc² is clearly false. Was Einstein merely part of a Jewish conspiracy? If so, how does GPS really work?

See where I'm coming from?

The OP is referencing information from The Law Of One available for free on that link which will answer your questions. I've read it...I'm sane. It's quite fascinating material for those with an open and patient mind seeking truth.

I can perhaps clarify a couple of things for starters. Your first question. Third 'dimensional' I believe OP really means what the book refers to as 'density', meaning the frequency/vibration level of the physical matter in our observable universe. Supposedly there are many densities/octaves from low to high and the higher you go (through 'spiritual' 'evolution') the closer you are to returning to the source field/god. Our realm and particular planet are supposedly very rough/dramatic which ultimately enable more opportunities for growth. Supposedly there's a 'harvest' every so often, which has to do with waves that are emitted from the black holes in the center of galaxies that carry higher charged particles that increase the frequency of our planet/solar system and population. Definitely sounds crazy as I'm typing it, but there is some scientific evidence behind some of the theories in David Wilcock's books.

Drivel

I do but you're simultaneously proving my point while making yours clearer. Those questions are the kind that I think are fun to bounce around & talk about. If anything, I'm probably more on your page.

And I apologize if my initial comment came across as snarky. I re-read it & the "Like you, maybe" reads harsher than I intended. I did genuinely mean that perhaps you might get so turned off by the stuff you're highlighting that you might not see the rest of the post as worthwhile. I tend to do the same thing & try not to.

But I certainly don't fault you if read that kind of stuff & do get turned off. I think it's more the responsibility of the poster to edit him or herself. That material is entirely unnecessary for his/her point.

Well said! Here, here!

Fucking great post OP!!

+1 for a sticky.

Worshipping yourself and looking down on others is not a how this world should be. Every man, woman and child for themselves. We can unite and make this Earth ours, we can become the gods of the Earth, I believe there is an inner good in every being, all it will take is a united humanity. They have turned us against our true selves. They have turned us against our right to rule and rule over us with no authority. This is our Earth and reality, it is our divine right to make Earth one. A unity of all minds and beings striving for the good of everyone. We are being oppressed as a species. There are few beings left that strive for the greater good, for the benefit of everyone. Ego has killed Empathy, Greed has consumed souls for all of time. Now it's time to wake up. Our true selves, it's time to shine.

I also shed many tears whilst I was reading your post. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5_LQArLa0

Our egos step in and we labor under this illusion of being individuals, divided units, when really we're meant to be whole, to care for one another and work together.

That being said, we should also cherish ourselves as individuals! The ego isn't a problem unless your blinded by it. You should entertain your ego at times. In the case of modern society and cultural trends, it's becoming even more of an issue than it already was.

it's that paradoxical truth that we are all one, yet we all have our own unique, individual experiences that shape, and contribute to the collective un/conscious. It's like that short story, the egg.

Thanks for that

one of my favorite short stories, up there with the last question :)

Thank you great post!

I agree. Great Post!

You love me but Im part Jewish... damn all these contradictions.

Hey, at least when the satanic pedophile jew superstate is established I'll be able to vouch for you, cause you see like a good guy.

Yeah man thats cool I get it. Theres a lot of anti semitism on this sub so its quick to judge a post as such but intent is what matters, not individual words so based on what youre saying now I have no argument here.

+1 too.

There must be a better way to deliver this message, is a very important message.

Infographic?

Maybe, still too much content to process, but a visual media should definitely help.

A series of infographics?

Street corner, hospital bracelet, bible in hand, and seeming to get enjoyment out of screaming in strangers faces at random is how my local guy usually does it.

It's all connected. Keep going and you'll find more evidence.

“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."

This is amazing, really makes you think - what is reality?

This post is a journey in itself. Thanks for the quality, man.

Words carry energy, and what you say here resonates with many of us. Thank you for your posts. It must take some "time" to put these posts together. They are deeply valued... love and light brother, love and light.

"All boils down to Zionism" lol

every freaking time....DA JUUWS. ANND LETS NOT FORGET sataaan! So 8000 hardcore jewish satanist running the planet to hell; dafuq

I lol'd. Zionism isn't the only driving force for NWO Totalitarian Socialist Gov't. Plenty of factions are fucking competing for it!

It should read "all boils down to Luciferianism"

as another stranger i love you too

Great post -- thank you. As a PSA for everyone: while ITCCS.ORG may provide accurate information on news items, etc; I have never found a shred of reliable evidence that it has any jurisdiction (power) of a court. If anyone has reliable evidence proving otherwise, please share.

Very strange that this comment was downvoted? Aren't we supposed to challenge evidence in this sub?

I have a really difficult time imagining that the "powers that be" are into occultism, Satanism, etc. However, I appreciate your call for unity and awareness about the counterproductive exercises of irrational hatred between us. Open minds are definitely something we need more of, so thank you for encouraging it.

Is all of this archived? What a great post....it gave me chills. Yes there is an awakening happening. I truly believe it. I agreed with all of it! I have suspected this and it is all coming together. This awakening will only grow. I reminded of the matrix

Neo: I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you..

The Matrix is jewish Hollywood propaganda created by Transsexuals.

it's tribal.....letting their freak flag fly

one of their "rules" is that they have to tell us what they will do

this is so will give our ascent.....

Can't lie man, reading this post brought a tear to my eye. I feel ur passion and love for humanity in your words and it legit has a spiritual effect on me. The world needs more people like you. Thank you from my soul and thank you for fighting for the real truth!

We are a hive species and we will accomplish great things. We have only been here for such a short period of time. This can be but a hiccup in our history where it took a century ot two but we finally realized as a species that evil men are so attracted to power that they will make people fuck kids to control them.

Great work!

Thank you for an incredible post! I feel different these last few days, I feel at ease with everything, anybody else getting this?

Man thats one hell of a fucking list.

All time post. Fallen angels man, the soldiers of satan.

Great post my friend. They are losing but they have an army of shills, my other account was permabanned for posting a link about these sick 'people' a few days ago. I'll keep doing it

The holocaust myth exists to insulate these Luciferians/Zionists/Canaanties.

It all boils down to this one thing.

Wrote this yesterday and felt it applied to this post, today:

Ultimately, isn't awakening (not political 'woke' awakening; but the more intimate awakening when consciousness becomes conscious that it is conscious, rather than believing it is 'you') the goal, despite which intellectual category you find yourself in? No matter how much we study what's going on out in the world, we will never find the ultimate truth. That truth lies within and is the answer to everything. I really think it's time we start spreading awareness about the hidden truth behind what we are (consciousness/awareness/self-aware manifestation of the universe), rather than spending so much energy trying to crack the unsolvable case outside of the self. They seem to have already won that game. Once we start awakening to the truth within (enlightenment), the world will change miraculously and with ease. But it's the hardest thing to do because we live in an era in which we cherish the ego, as our entire lives have been founded through the illusory motive of having a self that tells us what to do next. We're addicted to it. We're addicted to our thoughts. But it's time to let go of every fathomable attachment so that the truth can finally set us free. 'Seek ye first the kingdom of God.' Study thyself and recognize that the 'you' that you have thought you were since birth is, in fact, not you at all. Find that truth. This should be where we turn our attention, now.

Thanks, OP. Great stuff. Soon enough, this community will have ventured so deeply into the rabbit hole that the collective mind will inevitably begin to question the nature of its own self. Soon enough, we will awaken to the one truth, the most profound truth, and it is then that we will begin culminating unfathomable change. I'm excited for the impending time when the masses begin to realize (or remember, rather) that this reality is, in fact, pure spirit. Consciousness is nearing the moment when it finally turns the mirror around, recognizing itself as the player, the playing, and the played.

. Soon enough, we will awaken to the one truth, the most profound truth, and it is then that we will begin culminating unfathomable change. I'm excited for the impending time when the masses begin to realize (or remember, rather) that this reality is, in fact, pure spirit.

Indeed!

Consciousness is nearing the moment when it finally turns the mirror around, recognizing itself as the player, the playing, and the played.

I truly hope so!

for me it's like the movie Event Horizon 1997

Has anyone checked the 'other discussions' tab? We're being labelled as what they are, violent pyschopaths.

Some of the comments: 191 points and 89% upvoted wow

to be honest at what point do you start worrying about getting these people some help jesus, hard to believe people honestly believe and spend time on this

also lol "This is why we have share blue", I like how it's always the liberals that are complicit, never the right

Ultimately, this is why I'm legitimately worried about places like T_D, /pol/, voat, and Conspiracy. Conspiracy is definitely a recruiting ground to get people to join /pol/ or Voat and become further radicalized. Again, this reminds me very much of how Islamists recruit young men.

I mean, before crazy people elected Donald Trump, I thought, "meh, it's just crazy people on the internet." But it's a lot more terrifying than that. A crazy person on the internet can ruin lives, kill, and do so much damage.

It's really about time we (eg, the police, society) did stop thinking about online hate crimes as online hate crimes and really thought of them as just hate crimes.

Other things that apparently exist include witches, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, dragons, ect. THOSE STORIES EXIST FOR A REASON, SHEEPLE!

Maybe you are just not attuned to the frequency and the third dimension...

Nah, you're obviously part of the second dimension's plot to turn the world into cartoons.

It's basically an argument that's trying to unite the conspiracy community into an extremist religious cult.

It has it all. Pizzagate, Mandela effect, Satanism, pseudo scientific nonsense, blatant antisemitism, the call for "awakening" and unity against (((them))).

It's just missing the "We need to do something now" not so subtle call for vigilante violence. Maybe he's saving that for part 2.

It's a call for further radicalization. I wonder how far they are willing to go down this road. Will we see /r/conspiracy bombings? attempted assassinations? more vigilantism? They are becoming increasingly unhinged.

You did a good job with compiling this info and explaining it well in the first portion. My research has lead to essentially the same conclusion. I haven't gone deep into the Zion aspect of it, but that's really irrelevant, the bottom line is it's a small # of devil worshipers controlling everything.

My main question for you is: Where did you land on this number of 8,000-8,500?

I'd bet it's less at the very top. Obviously you have various levels. But when the people who have been "briefed" start explaining how there is this group of people that is somehow communicating with a higher dimension, or at least BELIEVE they are, it always gets hazy because there is just no evidence.

The best evidence I've ever come across is a couple interviews with people that supposedly witnessed some type of entity during a satanic human sacrifice ritual. But there are so many people that just make shit up, or believe they are seeing things they really aren't, so who knows.

All that being said, I think the real number of people involved with that at the VERY top is smaller. I would think less than 300-500 at any given time as people die off and new people are brought in.

Outstanding post! This has my vote to get pinned, can we make that happen please?

Seconded with great enthusiasm.

Wow! I really needed to read this today. Ive been feeling hopeless and despair lately. This post helped me realize that there is hope and the fight is worth it! Thanks OP!

Thank you man. Great post.

You are my fellow man, and I do not care what skin color you have as you read these words or what view points of reality you have. You are a brother. You are a sister. We are a family. We are a human family. We are a creative powerful species capable of amazing feats when we come together. We bicker, we fight. We struggle, we compete. We survive. We do what we must in a world ripe with negativity. But in the end, when everything settles, creative light and love are at the core of who we are. We are meant to love one another, not hurt each other. We have the potentials for so much abundance for all, but a select group of power thirsty power over others, service to self group of psychopaths are not satisfied with what they have and always seek more.

We are all starstuff. We share the same matter and molecular makeup. We come from the same place, we die, our physical forms go to the same place. Being a person is temporary, and so we label under this illusion that we're separate from one another, when really we're all connected, all sharing this same planet.

People forget, and ego steps in, and this is where so many of our problems come from. Humility patience and love are literally the only options we have. Thank you.

Thanks man, appreciate your time and effort.

Thank you. This is what I come here for. We should set up more group meditation days for all of us.

I'm not much of a meditator, but have crushed many times by writing down a challenge and then state my goals to overcome, in bullet points. Then tape to my fridge and read aloud every time I go into the kitchen. If a kindlymeme-master comes up with something, I'll happily do my part by adding it to my daily visualisations.

Look up the Temple of Set. They believe he's the one true God, that gave humans the "black flame" or the ability to make decisions. They also say he still walks the Earth. It's a really interesting cult/religious sect created by the creator of MK Ultra.

Michael Aquino was not the creator of mk ultra. He was involved with it, but he didn't create it. It was around long before he was on the scene.

Set = Saturn IIRC

Look up the Temple of Set. They believe he's the one true God, that gave humans the "black flame" or the ability to make decisions. They also say he still walks the Earth. It's a really interesting cult/religious sect created by the creator of MK Ultra.

Good work! I admire your continued effort and unwillingness to compromise. Keep it up, stay positive, and know that there are A LOT of us who wish we had the dedication and spirit you seem to have. Thank you

This is where conspiracy theorists get their bad name. This nonsense has nothing to do with why the powers that be act the way they do. There is no lucifer, there is no God, and there certainly isn't any truth to what you are saying here. Is there a plot to control the masses and their thoughts? Absolutely. But it is much more grounded in reality than this would have you think.

Here it is, the very first comment that isn't pants-on-head batshit insane in this whole thread, all the way at the bottom. The threads around here are always more fun when there's a bit more critical thinking floating about. At least it's not political shilling, I guess.

sort by controversial should be a meme

Yeah, when one, such as myself, doesn't believe in any God or anything spiritual or some shit like that, all of what OP wrote is meaningless.

I think you're right. Why do the elite perform satanic ritual abuse on children, though?

They don't, there's nothing "satanic" about it. They are just sick power hungry weirdos.

maybe not in reality, but in intent?

I'm sorry but you're saying that with zero evidence to support what you're saying whereas there is overwhelming evidence that the mysticism involving secret societies has its basis in Gnostic roots and Masonic beliefs of being illuminated through Lucifer and wisdom.

I could see it as a way to have control. Basically people would do fucked up shit for personal gain, but the person responsible for their gain now has proof of their fucked up stuff and now owns that person through blackmail. You would be surprised at what people will do for money or power.

to make this conspiracy even more juicy.

I was on board until he went full quantum woo.

How do you know that there is no Lucifer or God?

Easy. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE THAT THEY EXSIST. YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT THINGS EXSIST, NOT THAT THEY DONT. THATS HOW IT WORKS.

I don't need to prove anything. I'm asking how you KNOW they don't exist.

Really. This comment section is fucking disturbing its like OP is astroturfing the comments to push up his irl cultist buddies posts about how great he is and how everyone loves him.

disturbing

Yup. Want to know the real secrets?

9/11 was a psyop (September Clues)

Nukes, The moon landings, ISS and all space travel is fake (Cluesforum)

Most science, especially medical has been distorted to pseudoscience. The cause and cure for cancer has been known since early 1900

my favourite part about this theory is that the rich need us to work for them to be rich. if there are no workers, they are the workers. i'm with you. the biggest conspiracy is in plain sight: the rich work together ruthlessly to maintain and further develop a framework that is most secure for their rulership.

Thanks OP, good stuff. Quick question - you note that the Protocols of Zion are fabricated but in the first link w/ the Dutch banker - at the end of the interview, he urges people to read this. What's your thoughts on this?

Good stuff, thanks!

purim is really a copy/pasted Babylonian holiday

ester is ishtar and purim food looks just like pizza slices

so who are these maji hiding behind the curtain?

you note that the Protocols of Zion are fabricated but in the first link w/ the Dutch banker - at the end of the interview, he urges people to read this

Fabricated (by Jews that are not Jews) to blame the Jews, to create scape goats.

Wonderful writing, your style is very nice to read however you lost me at

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Russian: Протоколы сионских мудрецов) or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic fabricated text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination

You should take a good look into the Talmud and read what it says about we "goyim." To give you an idea, Jews who live by the Talmud's teachings believe that non Jews are not human; we're animals whose only purpose is to serve the Jew. It says that eating at a table with a goy is no different than eating with a dog. Makes you wonder why you never hear any outspoken atheists like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, (R.I.P.) or Matt Dillahunty criticize this particular book.

We ought to stop carelessly throwing around words like 'antisemitism' because all it does is shut down debate. I really enjoyed reading your post but your comment I quoted forces me to wonder...

The bible say we should kill gays, the quran infidels, the necronomicon virgins. I'm still friends with christians, jews, muslims and satanists. Civilized religious people don't get their morals from those antique texts.

People who refer to an entire group of people as "animals" or "servants" are not civilized and that's who I'm referring to. Of course there are Jews who read the Talmud and ignore the shitty parts and those people are not truly living the teachings of said book. These people are part of the group I'm talking about. These people likely share similar views with the few families at the top who pull the strings. They wouldn't want to breathe the same air as you or I.

I feel like people friends with super billionaires would have their supersecret children killing meetings in a nicer venue. More comfortable chaires, maybe make sure security is tight enough that there isn't an slightly disheveled poet disrupting the presentation.

Two possibilities here. This is a bunch of nut jobs having a circlejerk, as nut jobs from any and all religion, cult or race like to do. Or this is a bunch of people secretly connected to multi-billionaires.

Can you provide anything, anything at all that indicates the latter is likely?

You're a very dishonest debater. I didn't say these people were friends with billionaires. I said they were part of the group of Jews who have twisted views. A sect.

Ah, then it's case #1, a bunch of nutjobs jerking each other about their messed up worldview.

What about this part?

Ah, then it's case #1, a bunch of nutjobs jerking each other about their messed up worldview. yeah, that's exactly what it is. But like all religions, their world view impacts us all.

Will you concede that the US gives billions of dollars to Israel despite the fact it's an apartheid state with illegal nuclear weapons? I think it's also clear that US foreign policy is heavily affected by Israel and their confidants inside the gov't. I'm sure you've heard of greater Israel .

3 examples of events, orchestrated by the US and Israel that birthed wars throughout the middle east:

The attack on the USS liberty, which congress has yet to investigate. (unprecedented) Lies about WMD's danger to them that lead to more killing in Iraq. Israel and the mossad's connections to 9/11.

Also, TIL Fred Trump, Donald Trump's father donated land to the "Talmud Torah of the Beach Haven Jewish Center."

You know, I pretty much agree with you on everything you said here.

My point isn't that Israel is saintly, it's most certainly not. My point is that if you re-read your post, it has little to do with Jewish people or Judaism, and pretty much all to do with corrupt governments and the militaro-industrial complex. There are conspiracies in this world, but targeting a particular ethnicity is misguided. The people at the top don't care about beliefs, culture, race, as long as they make bank.

i'm thinking that's what this pizza psi-op is......

a way to bad jacket purim.......

Could you elaborate? What does "bad jacket" mean?

one way cops kill people is to bad jacket them......

mark them as snitches so their our people put them down.

this was a big thing in the 1960's......

see the cointerpol program.

that guy wearing a red shirt was a pizzaboy.....

I scrolled down to the bottom to see if this was an excuse for an Undertaker bit.

Sadly, this was not the case.

Thank you for shining your light! Great post!

Here is a new YT vid on 9/11. Many of the people involved are still working in govt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCQLpDyspo8

Follow the money trail, they will sacrifice people, kids, countries, whatever it takes to cover their schemes and keep the money and power flowing to them.

holy fucking shit WHAT DRUGS WERE YOU ON WHEN YOU WROTE THIS???

Pass that shit! :D

Thank you for taking the time to do this. I've already sent this post to a handful of people and plan to send it to others in due time.

Are you sure it's not precisely 9,801? The pedo bit is, unfortunately, only one small yet consistent facet of their activities. You want an exegesis of their origins I'd suggest starting with an article I ran across in Paranoia magazine a while back dealing with "The Dark Adepts". Here's a link to Part 3: https://books.google.com/books?id=k-O4CgAAQBAJ&amp;pg=PA27&amp;lpg=PA27&amp;dq=paranoia+magazine+dark+adepts+magi&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=gc2DpPvdFV&amp;sig=OrlS3fQhAMCqILWvB2lO9z9kXMU&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwir7rmi_9TTAhVCyGMKHf2gCn4Q6AEICjAA#v=onepage&amp;q=paranoia%20magazine%20dark%20adepts%20magi&amp;f=false

Wow. This is a bunch of crazy-ass bullshit. What does it mean to be living on our own frequency? Is that supposed to be poetic? Is it scientific? What evidence is there for this claim?

Conspiracies are about keeping a skeptical and open mind, using logic and evidence to discover the truth. This is just pseudo-profound garble.

"they muddy the waters to make them seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Lots of research regarding collective conscious has pointed towards a specific range of global electromagnetic activity which affects a "conciousness field" with which we interact. I'm definitely not qualified to explain but this guy is~ Grandpierre, Attila. "The physics of collective consciousness." World Futures: Journal of General Evolution 48.1-4 (1997): 23-56.

That doesn't prove there's a psychopath switch or gene. I'd argue it's the opposite: if consciousness exists in a collective field, psychopathy is obviously a kind of spectrum which we all possess in some degree, and some people simply have higher degrees of

Don't forget intuition and self-study to discover the truth. Often times, the truth lies within you, behind a perspective you are holding. Empirical evidence is still of utmost importance while engaging in self-study, but I would implore you to question how far your logic is impeded by bias and belief.

Proof?

Great post op! The shills are pissed this made it to the TOP of conspiracy for sure.

I love you, fellow human. The rabbit hole is dark and twisted, containing truths that can push your sanity to the limits and sometimes beyond. The burdon of knowing, even some of the entry level things, is very heavy. The dismissal, doubt, and apathy that comes from trying to share these things with others cuts deep. But what else can we do but keep learning, keep digging, keep caring, and keep sharing the horrors we find? Reading your words has warmed my heart, sincerely. Thank you for doing your part.

Tell me what there is to know.

Look inside your own mind and you'll see.

This circle jerk comment section makes me want to find a better forum for discussions around conspiracies and finding news that has been censored.

Well if you feel that strongly, no one is stopping you. Have a nice time.

Fuck yes. If shit wasn't such a negatively discussed object, I'd say you are the shit.

So we'll go with boss.

You're the boss. This post is the boss.

Might as well call ya /u/TonyDanza

Thank you for putting all together so eloquently

I have a horrible feeling this post will blow up, massively. Prepare for an overflow of negativity fellow beings :)

Thank you for writing this!

Lovely to see you thread this ty lv ;0

Cool story bro.

😂

Convert to Judaism, have your kids marry Jews, and move to Israel.

The human family can be splintered over a thousand disagreements. There is no one to truly conquer because another one of us will happily assume the vacant role. One of the hard truths of life is that others are not like us and do not share our values. Eight thousand psychopaths may run the planet, but there are countless more who want to take their place. It's as simple as electrifying the cage to make the rats fight.

This was a preach. Not a show. I like a show, a proof. Not a testament.

Hell yeah

I'm confused, and have a few questions.

How did seeing hidden patterns in the world lead you to believe in an afterlife?

If the illuminati don't like people knowing about immortality, why do they let religion exist?

If knowing the truth about reality is all it takes to start controlling it, why haven't you done so? Why isn't advertising more effective?

How can there be a "Universal Law of Free Will" if people are driven like sheep?

What is the "Law of One" that you referred to?

How did you come up with the number 8,000? Was it numerology?

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Russian: Протоколы сионских мудрецов) or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic fabricated text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination

If it's fabricated that means people made it up. Is that really what you meant?

Why are you so liberal in your philosophy on human beings?

What is "share blue"?

Is there any difference between this post and previous posts on Pizzagate? Is Pizzagate all you were really trying to say here?

Why are some of the links your provided completely irrelevant? Like the mass grave at the orphanage, the article says absolutely nothing about the illuminati or satanism or pedophilia or anything.

If knowing the truth about reality is all it takes to start controlling it, why haven't you done so?

the OP did, by maling this thread.

what about you, do you try to 'help' at all?

He's trying to say that a small group of people have tremendous control over reality as we know it, all because they know the real truth of the world. Therefore OP has access to this power to. I wondering why all he has chosen to do with that power is to write a Reddit post on r/conspiracy, which he could have done regardless of having powers.

I wondering why all he has chosen to do with that power is to write a Reddit post on r/conspiracy, which he could have done regardless of having powers.

Yeah, that's a true mystery hey! ;D

maybe he's involved in some kind of conspiracy? woooo!

That'd make him the bad guy though.

and you and me too!

Well, no, because I don't understand where he claims to get these powers from, and since I don't have access to them, I can't help not changing humanity for the better right now.

Well, no, because I don't understand where he claims to get these powers from,

the LERM that's where ... keep reading!

and since I don't have access to them

Actually you do have access to them, you're just not aware of it!

keep on searching friend and you will find it

LERM

That acronym hasn't been used before at all. If it's important to understanding what OP is talking about you would have thought he would have brought it up.

Actually you do have access to them, you're just not aware of it!

But how can I be certain that you're not just making things up then? As far as I know there is no current way to measure consciousness whatsoever, so there is really no way of knowing whether or not anyone else in the universe is actually thinking or not, let alone whether or not we all have a connected consciousness.

the "Light Electrical Reality Matrix" aka LERM

This interview was done in 1998 ... now check out /r/holofractal and read about the "electric universe" ... which is exactly what Dr Neruda is talking about when he mentions the LERM

The whole story is there! BUT it will take you several hours to read it all. There's a LOT of info there,

And remember, this guy has defected from a Super Secret and very powerful group of people known as the ACIO (who don't want him talking about such things!)

Becoz he felt he HAD TO share with 'humanity' the discovery of the Ancient Arrow site in Mexico and the things he learnt there!

Things he considered SO important he put his life/mind "on the line" to make these interviews. Considering the power of these people, that's one hell of a decision to make!

He had worked there for over 20yrs before this happened!

what's really cool is they are 20 YEARS Old, which means we can look back with "20/20 hindsight" and see for ourselves "how correct" his statements back then, are today! And he nailed it with a number of comments.

But how can I be certain that you're not just making things up then?

like what?

As far as I know there is no current way to measure consciousness whatsoever,

That depends upon your definition of "consciousness".

IMO I tend to concur with this statement

The term “consciousness” is notoriously difficult to define. Consequently, many a debate about its character has been waged without the participants’ finding even a common topic as common ground. By “consciousness,” I mean simply “sentience” in the most unadorned sense.

Rather than the "philosophical" speculations

To use the philosopher Thomas Nagel’s construction:

A creature is conscious if there is “something that it is like” to be this creature;

an event is consciously perceived if there is “something that it is like” to perceive it.

⁠Whatever else consciousness may or may not be in physical terms, the difference between it and unconsciousness is first and foremost a matter of subjective experience.

Very simply; Either the lights are on, or they are not

This is what I perceive as "consciousness"

Have a look at the work of people like the neuroscientist Sam Harris (there's even an /r/samharris!) et al and their studies of consciousness using fMRIs --- https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-mystery-of-consciousness

so there is really no way of knowing whether or not anyone else in the universe is actually thinking or not, let alone whether or not we all have a connected consciousness.

Not yet, but 20yrs ago the Internet had only just been born!

Why are you being so contrary?

C'mon mate, what's the name of this sub again?

like what?

What do you mean like what? You're trying to tell me humanity is a hive mind, I say I can't see it, and you're trying to tell me to just live with it?

You're trying to tell me humanity is a hive mind

You should read more carefully

tribal =/= a 'hive mind'

We all resonate to this frequency, thus we are all in tune with each other and the third dimension itself. If you have heard of Mass Consciousness, it ties into this. This is why group meditations can be so powerful.

This was from the OP, and sounds very hive-mind ish to me.

You should try and comprehend what you read

Believe me, I'm trying very hard. There are just so many holes in everything before we even BEGIN to talk about evidence.

I hear you. I guess it's easier for me to get my head around as I've been thinking about this for a long time

Forget the startrek Borg hivemind concept, that's not what I'm talking about. Bees do that, not humans!

In a nutshell, have you heard the term "we are all stardust"?

When you consider that everything is some kind of a manifestation of "energy" it is easier to understand like how "we" are all a 'part' of it

A bit like how your computer can be used offline or online. BUT when it's "online" it can 'connect' with other computers

IMHO the computers we currently use are simple 'representations' of our 'brains' and our ''brains' are naturally inter-connected like computers online

It's just that most people have 'forgptten' about this natural form of com-uni-cation.

Telepathy is part of this 'connection'

Surely you have experienced some "amazing coincidences" no?

Except there's no such thing as a "coincidence" IMO!

And you came to this conclusion known that there is currently no way of proving any of this? I took a class in Animal Intelligence and heard straight form the horse's mouth that we have absolutely no way of directly measuring "consciousness", nor any way of proving it exists at all outside of our own mind. It's this realization that movies such as The Matrix came out of. While I can say I've had one or two rather beneficial strokes of luck, they are not by any means statistically significant and are more than rare enough to be thrown out as random chance under any reliable data analysis calculation. Furthermore I would not describe those situations as anything like connecting to the internet or other people, but more like my internal clock and memory to be a lot more accurate in certain situations than it is generally. But asking for proof isn't the point of this sub (otherwise I would completely destroy his sources), so I'll let the matter go.

However, there are problems for just the internal logic itself.

First, he does not explain how he got from "there are coincidental powers in the world" to "we must all be connected", and does not even go into what kind of coincidences he means. It has the same logical flavor of "Unicorns cause rainbows, and rainbows exist, so therefore Unicorns must do also". I shouldn't have to say this, but Unicorns don't exist. At the very least they don't cause rainbows.

Why haven't advertisers used this yet? We can certainly assume that an advertising CEO would be in on plots like this, and would certainly use this for excessively enormous profits, because satanic illuminati or no we can all agree that there are some greedy fucks up there. So why haven't they?

Secondly, OP has expressed a large desire to let people know about this. Even though he supposedly has connection to this gigantic worldwide psychic network, he somehow has concluded that r/Conspiracy and his personal blog are the best ways to get the message out.

Thirdly, three out of the four phenomenon he tries to link to this network are more easily described by (and in some cases actually proven as) imaginary pattern finding, easy and therefore common memory errors, and the placebo effect. I'll admit that the placebo effect can be really spooky at times, but it's been pretty much proven experimentally to be 100% rational in our modern understanding of neuroscience. His whole reasoning for why he's certain this system exists is that there are some really weird correlations out there, and doesn't even bring up any of these. The one about divorces in Maine and margarine consumption is actually statistically significant, too, so these are actually more likely to be related than anything supernatural I've experienced. He brings up a Tesla quote, but Tesla is talking about early leaps in Quantum Mechanics and related physical sciences.

He brings up a Universal Law of Free Will, doesn't explain what that is, and then contradicts himself and goes into how people are headed like sheep.

And then he tries to make the leap between bio-internet and satanism, which is not only not a thing outside of judo-christian religions, but all of his sources have a different demon that the satanists are supposed to be worshiping, none of which agree with him. He openly admits that the piece of paper where the satanism thing originated was fabricated. I don't know if he knows what fabricated means, but he really shot himself in the foot there.

One thing about the illuminati in general is that they would have to have been founded after 1865, because no all-powerful secret society would let the south loose AND Abraham Lincoln be shot. There is no secret plan I can think of that would allow both of those things and still be considered successful.

And lastly, Op pawns all of this off as the "one true all-inclusive conspiracy theory" and then re-writes illuminati and Pizzagate. Thanks, I see no mention of UFO's, Kennedy, Reptilians, 9/11, or anything like that. The entire thing is written like a politician, taking 30 paragraphs to say anything at all, having zero substance, talking the whole thing up to be much bigger than it really is, giving a stupidly positive general message that excludes himself, sweeping the obvious faults under the rug, and ends it asking you to like, share, and subscribe for more great content. This is not someone I trust with giving me information, and this post is in violation of Rule 11.

Full disclosure, I'm from /topminds and I occasionally like to discuss the logic of claims outside of just sources. You can find my full rant here. Quick take on sources: About half of his sources aren't even relevant to the topic. Another third is more links to conspiracy sites (including r/conspiracy, circular reasoning works because....), none of which gives a source for news stories or interviews outside of yet more conspiracy sites.

Personally, my opinion is that some of these coincidences are the work of higher powers AND that this claim is unprovable by design. I think God works miracles that can't be proven to be miracles, because this. And hey, whether god exists or not it's still important to have faith in something, especially when you have no faith in yourself like I did.

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WTF are you on?

I could honestly ask the same question of some people here, but quite frankly the answer is hope.

I honestly have no idea how to take this post!

Well, I was reacting to OP, then you replied and tried to sort things out. I assumed you were attempting to defend OP. Sorry for the confusion.

lol mate imho discussions such as these are not done easily online!

It's all good nonetheless, as "the only 'failure' is the failure to try" and you're trying

keep up the curiosity mate

Normally I should be against this subreddit entirely but you can't reject the idea that someone will eventually discover something genuinely actionable.

Normally I should be against this subreddit entirely

why is this?

p.s. I wasn't really up for even trying to answer your 'questions' before (hungry, tired, not good)

But, after resolving those issues, I am prepared to try

Could you answer this question first ... and then,

ask me whatever you would like 'clarified' about "thoughts" => "actions" and that the more people "joined in thinking" the more likely it is that those "thoughts" will become 'reality' ,, regardless of that 'thinking' is for!

"United we stand, divided we fall" is an ancient concept which is based on The Truth

That "Truth" is that we all come from the 'same place' ... and as ALL 'matter' is just 're-organized energy" ,, we 'sentient beings' can and do, manipulate our "consciousness" via our thoughts, which initiate 'actions' which in turn, due to being 'thought about' is to create further "thoughts" which in turn 'create' further actions and those 'actions' create the world we "live" in.

Does that make any clearer 'sense' to you?

BTW, subreddits like the 'Top Thinkers' is imho a place for such people to stroke their Ego's, (hopefully 'stoking' hard enough to induce Egasms, lol)

and as we know, words are cheap

ask me whatever you would like 'clarified' about "thoughts" => "actions" and that the more people "joined in thinking" the more likely it is that those "thoughts" will become 'reality' ,, regardless of that 'thinking' is for!

Primarily nobody has any conceivable way of testing your claim. As I said before we cannot even be certain of consciousness outside of the assumption that every human has it. Therefore it is impossible to make rational arguments based off of it, and the whole thing falls apart. This sub has made several grand demonizing statements that if even remotely plausible would collapse the world into chaos, which only serve to become the tools of the people you despise to fight one another. The modern world is based on proof and scientific rigor, without which we would literally still be in the middle ages, and you collectively piss on the very idea that proof and certain truth is possible to attain. Everything you have achieved for yourselves here is destroyed the moment anyone asks for serious defense of your wild claims, because you have none. If you want to I can apply the same scientific rigor to this post as I apply to my peer's research and you will fail miserably.

"United we stand, divided we fall" is an ancient concept which is based on The Truth

That statement was an observation on strength in numbers, that one united army stands more of a chance than any division of parts competing against each other, and has little to nothing to do with spirituality.

That "Truth" is that we all come from the 'same place' ... and as ALL 'matter' is just 're-organized energy" ,, we 'sentient beings' can and do, manipulate our "consciousness" via our thoughts, which initiate 'actions' which in turn, due to being 'thought about' is to create further "thoughts" which in turn 'create' further actions and those 'actions' create the world we "live" in.

This is true, but does not mean that our consciousnesses are linked. Just because you are a cog in a machine does not mean you understand the whole machine, or have any control over anything but your part of it. Towards proving anything you have said this paragraph means nothing.

BTW, subreddits like the 'Top Thinkers' is imho a place for such people to stroke their Ego's, (hopefully 'stoking' hard enough to induce Egasms, lol)

/TopMinds was created to laugh at your delusions of "truth" backed up by empty conjecture. There are people today who, trolling or otherwise, reject the idea the world is round even though the roundness of the world has been proven and measured since the days of ancient Greece, navigated since Michelangelo, explained by the physics of Newton, and photographed since the Gemini program. It is literally impossible to draw a perfectly proportional flat map of the world and yet some people think flatness in an inherent quality nevertheless. Who in any mind could possibly think the world is flat in this day and age? Some people are outraged at them. Some people ignore them. Others created /TopMinds to make bad humor about them. I, for one, want to wrench some of these people out of the stubborn ignorance they have chosen to live in, and up until now I have been gentle about it with the people of this thread.

If you really think this is the truth, that I am missing some grand design of the universe, then come at me and prove it. I honestly wish you luck. The burden of proof is on you.

Primarily nobody has any conceivable way of testing your claim.

did you make this post "by accident" OR did you intend for these words to be posted?

TopMinds was created to laugh at your delusions of "truth" backed up by empty conjecture.

ROFL, then TROLL off and go back to your cave

did you make this post "by accident" OR did you intend for these words to be posted?

I intended those words to be written because I have direct control over my own actions, and my actions alone. I am completely powerless when it comes to what you write, or what will happen tomorrow, or what my parents will say when they notice I'm still up at 3AM. I have no way of knowing whether your actions are conscious decisions or not, nor any way of knowing whether consciousness as I know it exists elsewhere in the universe at all. So no, it's not self-evident. You'll have to try harder than that.

ROFL, then TROLL off and go back to your cave

I just gave an example of empty conjecture. I'm willing to stand here and defend myself and truly believe what I say, unlike trolls. Trolls make demeaning comments without bothering to defend their statements and disappear back into anonymity, damage done. If you want we can continue this discussion tomorrow, I will stand my ground and keep discussing, because I can and I want to. I highly doubt you can do the same, but I have hope that the world can be better than this.

Ok, firstly, my apologies as I confused you with someone else! (I guess lack of sleep can do that to one)

I am completely powerless when it comes to what you write, or what will happen tomorrow, or what my parents will say when they notice I'm still up at 3AM.

C'mon! Are you really? No, you are not!

Is it not "your choice" how you respond to your parents, or whether or not you'll go to school tommorow?

Of course it is!

I have no way of knowing whether your actions are conscious decisions or not,

dude, it's late, but FFS do you really think I'm posting all this "by accident"?

nor any way of knowing whether consciousness as I know it exists elsewhere in the universe at all.

This sounds like you have a severe case of Solipsim

I'd be working on that if I were you! I can assure you I am 'conscious'

however, writing that has made me wonder IF we're talking about the same thing when using the word "consciousness"

I gave you My definition of 'consciousness' ,,, so what's your's?

C'mon! Are you really? No, you are not!

Is it not "your choice" how you respond to your parents, or whether or not you'll go to school tommorow?

Did you listen to nothing I have said? I have control over my own actions, but I have no control over anyone else's actions. As far as I can tell there is no secret connections that lets me control other or others control me. Do you have proof of anything?

dude, it's late, but FFS do you really think I'm posting all this "by accident"?

As I said earlier it's polite to assume other humans have their own individual, separate consciousness, but there's no way to tell.

I'd be working on that if I were you! I can assure you I am 'conscious'

Prove it. If you can somehow prove that you are conscious and that consciousness can be determined scientifically, you will be the leading neurologist in the world by whenever you can write a paper on it. So some on, give me some evidence!

And then once you're done with that, then maybe we can start to entertain the idea that ours are connected.

As a metaphysical position, solipsism goes further to the conclusion that the world and other minds do not exist. This sounds like you, no?

Solipsism is equally unprovable. There is no evidence one way or another, so neither can currently be considered the truth any more than differing religions can. I'm not going to defend Solipsism, I am going to say that you have no proof. Like I said before, the burden of proof is on you.

what is "conscioiusness" in your opinion?

It's the voice inside my head telling me you're a piece of shit.

Sorry, couldn't resist. More seriously, it's the construction of reality by my head that allows it to perceive itself and the rest of the universe coherently. It's my point of view. It's who I am when you take away all the tangible parts of me. It's the thing neuroscientists have been looking for proof of for years, philosophers for millennia, and nobody has found physical evidence of. It is our voice we hear when we think that we just have to assume exists in other people.

"I think therefore I am" .... ring a bell?

Why are you then asking me to prove to you something you don't believe is possible?

Are you simply being contrary?

Of course it is possible. But I can only be certain that I think, therefore I am. There is no scientific way of knowing the same applies to you, because I am not in your head and cannot hear you think. I cannot measure your brain activity and come to any conclusions regarding intelligence, let alone thought. Unless, of course, you can prove it to me. Does that make sense?

Of course it is possible.

But -- a word which negates ALL that goes before it ...

I can only be certain that I think, therefore I am.

which is The efinition of "solisims"!

sigh

fyi https://www.nature.com/articles/srep46421

They defined consciousness as neural signal diversity, that an "increased consciousness" is an increase in synapse firing. Nobody is arguing that LSD doesn't cause the general brain activity to spike, but these people are assuming that the spike in brain activity would lead to an increase in consciousness without explaining how.

look up the Law of One

read all 106 sessions ... and start again

It's ALL about "consciousness" of the "mind/body/spirit distortion

I'm quite serious ... if you can do that, you're on the way to answering your own question

enjoy

This legitimately sounds like a cult. They don't make any attempts to not be a cult. It is 100% grandiose statements and it's all "because god". Don't send them money, don't drink the cool aid, get out while you can. I'm honestly insulted you think this deserves looking at. A middle schooler physics textbook will tell you more about how the universe works than this pile of crap.

This legitimately sounds like a cult

who are you talking about, the Law of One stuff?

That ALL came from a group of 3 main people! They had the occaisional visitor

They don't make any attempts to not be a cult

I know you're fucking serious about that comment! (smh)

WTF is it with you kid?!

That's so far away from a "kult" as you can get I have NO idea how you can say "They don't make any attempts to not be a cult" when *you know exactly Sweet Fuck ALL about these people except what I have shown you, until which time you continued to remain Ignorant of them/this;

And yet you state;

A middle schooler physics textbook will tell you more about how the universe works than this pile of crap.

Yeah? Open up that textbook and find ~~a decent!! The explantion of "what IS gravity" ... oh, BUT you can't, except for p aqrroting what you have been told.

You can't explain to me OR anyone what "gravity IS"? I'd bet the house I live in you can't explain "the Laws of Gravity" to me ... as there are None!

Don't come at me with Einstein's "theories" ... they DO NOT "explain" gravity, they assume it's "becoz of a 'field'" which means there must be a 'gravity particle' .... which we have been TOLD is "becoz Higgs bosons'

BUT, that's bullshit, and I'm not about to even try and 'explain' why to you UNTIL you prove to me "what gravity IS"

I have no doubts it's covered in that 'middle school phyysics textbook'

BUT what if this book was printed in, say, 2012, 2013, 2014 or before?

At that time LIGO hadn't begun functioning and no-one had told you "we have 'found' the Higg's boson' ROFL!

it's "supposed to Be" THE "primary particle" which "gives" everything in the Real World "mass"

BTW, I guess you also 'believe' in "black holes" just becoz someone/a book TOLD You ALL about it huh?

BUT, hang on! Why do you believe an eighth grade book (ffs) that has "said a lot BUT proven nothing"?

Answer this question IF you wish to continue this 'conversation'

Like I asked before, "are you just being contrary?" ... I'll take your silence as a "Yes"

Back to FACTS, even though it affects every aspect of youer Life, You can't even state what "gravity isn't!

Why not?

BTW, you do know, 'c' aka the speed of light is not 'constant'? In fact it's been "slowed down" to several cms per second! How would you 'explain' this?

I'm sure after you decline to reply for, as you say; "I'm honestly insulted you think this deserves looking at"

Suit yourself. You have such an 'open' mind, it seems ALL the logic has been blown out of it!

suit yourself (as you do anyway)

There's a very special sub for people like you, it's called /r/iamverysmart

You make me think of the old saying "youth is wasted on the young"! lol

what are you hoping to achieve (aside from the attention) from this 'conversation'?

You can't explain to me OR anyone what "gravity IS"?

Gravity is created by objects with mass causing curves in the fabric of space-time. Yes, that's a rather simplified definition, but you nor any of your sources have been able to give any better definitions other than Deus Vult.

I guess you also 'believe' in "black holes" just becoz someone/a book TOLD You ALL about it huh?

Except I know from the quality of the sources that gave me that information (including several physics professors) that these claims have been calculated, tested, and argued about constantly over time. The claims I've been making have been battered by thousands of people a lot smarter than the both of us combined for years before they made it into that textbook. You sources, on the other hand, have been academically dismissed by everyone except the people that wrote it and their friends. You cannot find a single positive academic review for your sources that doesn't come from tabloids.

Back to FACTS, even though it affects every aspect of youer Life, You can't even state what "gravity isn't!

As far as modern physics is able to tell, gravity isn't related to electromagnetism, or the strong or weak nuclear forces. Gravity does not give objects mass, nor does it effect the quantum nature of various fundamental particles. It is not involved in the shaping of electron orbitals or covalent bonds. It is not responsible for the color of objects nor any component in the computer in front of you.

Like I asked before, "are you just being contrary?" ... I'll take your silence as a "Yes"

Are you resorting to Ad Hominem attacks?

BTW, you do know, 'c' aka the speed of light is not 'constant'?

Yes. The speed of light is relative. Under different conditions light will appear to travel at different speeds due to a change in reference frame. This is what General Relativity is based on.

You have such an 'open' mind, it seems ALL the logic has been blown out of it!

Nothing you've said has had coherent logic to begin with.

There's a very special sub for people like you, it's called /r/iamverysmart

And I found you on r/conspiracy first, if you really want to go there.

Gravity is created by objects with mass causing curves in the fabric of space-time.

Prove it

Prove it ... you CAN"T!

http://www.space.com/17661-theory-general-relativity.html

Here you go then. Pay close attention to the part labeled "experimental evidence". While this source doesn't go very in-depth it at least has experimental evidence.

And you are simply repeating what you have been Told

So are you.

NOR does it come from your expereince

Nothing I have ever experienced suggests that the universe isn't how I think it is, and I'm sure you could say the same.

it's no more than you parroting another person's words!

You say that as if I wasn't complaining about you doing the exact same thing a moment ago.

Na, you failed

Not in the least becoz you tell me what I have experienced!

Nothing I have ever experienced suggests that the universe isn't how I think it is

So what? You haven't experienced weightlessness so you'd say "it doesn't happen"!?

remember at the beginning of this 'discussion' it was ALL ABOUT "me proving to you" ...

Now, when you can't prove shit,, you deflect and/or change the topic.

How typical of a solopsistic girl

and I'm sure you could say the same.

And you'd be surely Wrong!

remember at the beginning of this 'discussion' it was ALL ABOUT "me proving to you" ...

At the begging of this discussion it was all about me entertaining OP's ideas assuming they had some basis to them, and asking basic questions to get at the heart of where he's coming from. You then hopped on and misdirected me to several different terrible contradictory sources and then started attacking modern science, when the whole point was OP trying to have any basis for his claims at all.

when you can't prove shit

We're only here because you've backpedaled for a week and I don't care enough nor have the time to drown you in literally millennium of science.

How typical of a solopsistic

I already told you how I'm not, and my reasoning behind that. You're just ignoring me.

girl

For the sake of civility I'm going to assume you haven't read all of my replies yet.

And you'd be surely Wrong! I have 'experienced' things beyond comprehension

You were on LSD. What's there to comprehend?

does that mean they didn't happen to me?

YOU WERE ON LSD. THE ANSWER IS YES.

Seriously, how can you mistake being high as balls for unlocking the mysteries of the universe, especially since you can't back anything up?

You were on LSD. What's there to comprehend?

did I say I was? NO

Once again you put words in my mouth!

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/692p3d/this_is_the_end_of_the_line_the_one_all/dhep56x/

You wrote this as if LSD helped you understand things. How was I supposed to interpret that? That people take LSD and then have completely unrelated revelations about the universe as a weird consistent correlation?

How was I supposed to interpret that?

IDK, that's up to you!

Except you had problems with the way I interpreted it.....

p.s. IF you ever take LSD or psilocybin mushrooms, you'll look back on your comments here, and cringe!

Are you saying that you based all of this on a drug trip? Because that would honestly explain a lot.

Are you saying that you based all of this on a drug trip?

No, far from it!

Then why are you suggesting I take LSD and why are you assuming I'll cringe at these statements after I take it? Seriously, what the hell man?

IF you take a trip ... you'll figure it out

IF you take a trip ... you'll figure it out then

So you're saying you did take drugs to come up with this?

So you're saying you did take drugs to come up with this?

NO, I AM NOT

STOP putting words in my mouth and LEARN TO READ you numpty!

But how would you know LSD would help me figure things out if that's not how you figured things out?

You're saying LSD helps while also trying to say you have no experience with LSD whatsoever.

p.p.s. It's not called the THEORY of relativity for NO reason!

There are "Laws" in physics and then there are "theories"

there's a little bit of a difference IF you haven't noticed!

The theory of Relativity has experimental evidence over the last century to back it up. You don't have that, you have LSD and people who contradict you.

you have LSD and people who contradict you.

and you have Many Much assumptions

good luck with that

Okay, so let's assume we got past the LSD thing, you still haven't dealt with the fact that I pointed out a portion of your sources that you have directly contradicted, and you're saying I'm making assumptions?

that I pointed out a portion of your sources that you have directly contradicted

You did?! You could've fooled me!

please refresh my memory by giving me a couple of examples

And I found you on r/conspiracy first, if you really want to go there.

LOLWUT!? Sadly I know your 16yo self actually believes what you've said!

Sadly I know your 16yo self

You're making bad assumptions and more ad hominem attacks. You also still need to sort out whether the GUT exists or not.

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"

short for argumentum ad hominem

is now usually understood as a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself

I made a statement which was in NO way related to the 'argument' I was proposing AND I didn't use it as my 'reason' your comments are incorrect, ero sum; it's Not an "ad hominem" attack!

sigh

You dismissed my argument and the only reason you gave what that you thought I was 16. It's crappy, impolite logic no matter what you call it.

yep, you're right, have beem all along

I'm going to assume that isn't sarcasm. Thank you.

You assume correctly.

I must admit after I read it I thought it might be "mis-taken" But I hoped not ... so it's ALL Good amigo

And down voting my comment won't make you any less wrong. Just so you know.

how do you know I downvoted you?

Dude, look how many comments down we are, and how old this thread is. Nobody in their right mind would read this far down without being either of us.

do you think IGAF about that? LOL

I guess you're trying to "impress" for karma? LOL

Now there's a classic difference between someone with experience in The REAL world as opposed to someone who's "information" come from *other people's *anecdotal 'experiences OR books/online data.

I asked you way back "what do you hope to achieve from this back and forth?

It was another question you chose not to answer

well?

I have had 7 long term (2yrs+) relationships and countless fucks, how about you?

Are you seriously trying to use the fact you have had 7 failed relationships to say your argument is valid? And you still haven't dealt with the fact that you Ra source believes in a grand unified theory and you don't.

LOL says a guy who "believes in The One"

you've got a LOT of living to do friend

I never said I believed in "The One". I don't know who you're referring to as "The One". You've made another assumption.

tell me one thing

"what do you hope to achieve by continuing this 'conversation' (that you've said you were 'finished with' several times?)

I get you're a lonely young guy and like the interaction BUT what's the point of you repeately arguing these 'points'?

"what do you hope to achieve by continuing this 'conversation' (that you've said you were 'finished with' several times?)

By my reasoning I can still assert that I'm right and you're wrong. However, you refuse to accept this, and even after several problems that you have dodged, ignored, and misdirected you still think your ideas are foolproof. Shady claims that got destroyed ages ago were replaced by even more shady claims and insults. This is frankly absurd. Give up already. While we're at it, why are YOU still replying? You've gone hopelessly backwards from the starting point and show no serious attempt towards getting back there, and you seem to be getting angrier talking to me, so why bother replying? You've lost, deal with it and stop being a baby.

I get you're a lonely young guy

More insults, thanks.

By my reasoning I can still assert that I'm right and you're wrong.

LOL by "your reasoning'

nuff said

you just want to "win" .... BUT you can't. lol

how is seeing you as a lonely guy an 'attack'?

LOL by "your reasoning' nuff said

You claim to not use reasoning, so I don't see how this changes anything.

how is seeing you as a lonely guy an 'attack'?

Because you keep assuming things about me that aren't true, especially since you appear to place negative connotations on those labels. Need I remind you that you kept calling me a 16 year old girl?

Because you keep assuming things about me that aren't true

LOL!!! If that's not "the kettle calling the pot black" idk what is!

projection much?

Need I remind you that you kept calling me a 16 year old girl?

Once!

If ONCE constitutes "kept calling" then we're talking different languages!

You assumed I was a 16 year old girl with no life. That's a fact.

Now stop misdirecting things.

well how about you stop behaving like one and maybe then you can learn something

i'm not trying to "one up" you and I meann no offence when i say, as somone who's nearly 40yrs your senior, I'm confident I know about things and I have experienced many things you haven't.

This isn't your 'fault', as it's hardly fair to compare our lives, for who knows, when you get to my age you too may have experienced not just as much, but most likely more! than me!

ALL I've been trying to do is to get you to "think outside the box" -- throw "conventional" (and very conservative) thinking out the window and 'come at an idea' from another angle --- although to Do so is far more difficult than most people imagine.

And as few people ever try or bother to think in such a way, (it's easier to accept what you're "taught" by "teachers" of all kinds) so not a lot of "lateral thinking outside the square" ever gets done.

We know of several Great minds who were of this type of thinker. From Galilleo to Mendel to Newton to Curie to Franklin and Tesla to the Wright Brothers and Darwin to Einstein and Buckminster-Fuller et al, these people used their minds to 'think about things' in ways that other people had not.

They were able to make great contributions becoz of the efforts they put into thinking differently to everyone else! In fact, a number of very well known scientists were very solitary in their work (as nobody else could understand it!

They correspponded with an elite few about their discipline of choice preferring a select few 'peers' of their time e.g a 17th century "rich kid" who enjoyed studying mathematics, and back then, only the very wealthy could afford such luxuries as studying, but as his family were Rich, although he studied law, he could afford to be mathematician nonethelessPierre de Fermat was his name and what a mathematicion he was!

This kid was so smart and so talented at maths, that soons his name was known in all the elite mathematical circles. He also wrote all these "number theory" 'conjectures' or 'mathematical problems' ,, some that were as old as calculus! e.g.

This last theorem he had worked out, was something mathematicians worldwide had been trying to resolve for centuries, and Pierre Fermat said that he had figured it out, but the only 'working notes' to his theory were in the margins of this book, and nobody believed it would fit in such a small place! lol

So, "Although Fermat claimed to have proved all his arithmetic theorems, few records of his proofs have survived. Many mathematicians, including Gauss, doubted several of his claims, especially given the difficulty of some of the problems and the limited mathematical methods available to Fermat. His famous Last Theorem was first discovered by his son in the margin in his father's copy of an edition of Diophantus, and included the statement that the margin was too small to include the proof."

In number theory, Fermat's Last Theorem (sometimes called Fermat's conjecture, especially in older texts) states that no three positive integers a, b, and c satisfy the equation an + bn = cn for any integer value of n greater than 2. The cases n = 1 and n = 2 have been known to have infinitely many solutions since antiquity.

• This theorem was first conjectured by Pierre de Fermat in 1637 in the margin of a copy of Arithmetica where he claimed he had a proof that was too large to fit in the margin.

The first successful proof was released in 1994 by Andrew Wiles, and formally published in 1995, after 358 years of effort by mathematicians

Andrew Wiles wrote a book about how he went about figuring out "fermat''s Last Theorem" by thinking so far out of the box, he was in another dimension altogether, BUT, he was the only person in 358 YEARS of mathematicians trying to 'crack' this 'last theorem' that Fermat had said HE has already worked out BUT he died before he published his proof!

However, people respected the fact he was a brilliant mathematician who had already produces reams and volumes of work of the highest quality, so nobody would outright say "Fermat is lying, he never figured that out coz it's impossible as anyone who's tried will know!

Oh really. The "aswer" was there and just had been waiting for someone to REconsider it in 'another way' and "poof!" the answer appeared!

It's a great story, the book's a bit dry, but wow! What a feat!

I hope this gave you something to think about. e.g. The Ultimate Logical science, mathematics still has more UNresolved problems like this ,, conjectures in which nobody is even sure there is an answer!? Just as they did with Fermat's Last Theorem, except for Fermat's comments, most people would have said "it can't be resolved" .... and how wrong they were!

We know of several Great minds who were of this type of thinker. From Galilleo to Mendel to Newton to Curie to Franklin and Tesla to the Wright Brothers and Darwin to Einstein and Buckminster-Fuller et al, these people used their minds to 'think about things' in ways that other people had not.

Each one of these people used logic and reasoning to prove that they were correct. Galileo based his reasoning on differences in the shading of Venus. Mendel had multi-generational records of pea genetics. Curie had readings on radiation, mass, and reactivity. Darwin had lengthy observations of species from around the globe. Franklin, Tesla, and the Wright Brothers had working prototypes based on the work of other scientists before them. Einstein, Newton, and B-F added to a giant pile of mathematics that came before them.

By all means think outside the box. I came into this thread in the first place with that as my intention. But if you want people to accept your ideas, you must have ways to back them up. You can claim to be Pierre de Fermat or Andrew Wiles and say you're still working on it but don't have enough details yet. That's fine. But until you do, don't act like you've made a tremendous contribution to humanity.

IMHO your 'absolute belief' in "hard science" is, at times, actually (and factually) UNfounded, just as so many scientists who thought they had come to the 'final answer' only to learn they're really just at the beginning!

Did I ever disagree with that? The whole point of our discussion is that the conspiracy theory you and OP are supporting are significantly more unfounded that the science you're trying to attack now.

The only attempt to research your ideas you've put forward is built on bad theories that you yourself claim to disagree with. You've insulted me and rejected ideas that have been long tested in favor of empty rhetoric. Much worse, you refuse to accept that you've said anything incorrect. I don't know what else to say.

I don't know what else to say

don't bother as you already kow it ALL

how could an ignoramus like me enlighten the likes of you in any way?

I'm such an idiot

you go hard sunshine, it must be weird be "right" ALL the time --- makes me wonder why you go to school, shouldn't you be teahing instead?

you already kow it ALL

Nowhere did I say that. The point here is not what I know, it's that your ideas are currently indefensible. So stop trying to defend them.

we are all just different manifestations of the same universal energies and matters. we are all just at different points along a highway of life. what you are just seeing today, someone already saw yesterday. you will continue to learn new things every day of your life.

a study was conducted, to see how much people had changed over 10 years, and how they predicted they would change, and how they actually changed.

the test group was divided into sub groups by age, into decades, and invariably, each age group predicted they would not change much in 10 years, but reported that they had, in fact, changed a lot over the course of the previous 10 years. this was as true for 20 year olds and 80 year olds.

the point is that as you learn more and more, you will start to discover some very inexplicable discrepancies that make you question what you were told, and what you thought you knew.

when we are born, we are born ignorant, and when we die, we will die ignorant.

unfortunately, there are (((those))) who would take advantage of your ignorance, not just a little bit, but a lot. like, basically everything you are every taught in school was to indoctrinate you, and to misrepresent dissent through straw man arguments.

i was literally taught in school that

"men walked on the moon AND that only ignorant primitive African bushmen thought the moon landing was a hoax"

well i certainly didn't want to live like a Bushman, so i had better accept the fact that men walked on the moon

there was a time in my life when i though that Santa Claus and Superman were real...

...and slowly but surely all of the other cultural myths that you grow up around being to crumble....

...you start asking yourself what hit the Pentagon on 9/11, and why the Pentagon didn't defend itself from attack, in spite of both WTC towers being hit long before, and altering the nation that it was under attack...

...then you start asking yourself if Ferguson riots wasn't just smoke and mirrors to red herring the public...

... and then one day you wake up and turn on CNN or NPR or take-your-pick and realize that its all bullshit. every last bit of it is scripted to fit an agenda.

...measles outbreak!!! (not news, but in the news)

...LIBOR scandal (news, but not in the news)

it gets so bad that you can literally take out a pencil and paper, take notes on every "news" story, take notes on every advertiser and what key words they use, and then go online and fact-check each and every one of their "facts" and you will discover that its entirely 100% LIES.

so, you turn off the TV and the Radio, but that only does so good, because your friends and neighbors still listen to the lies and their opinions affect their actions and their actions affect you.

this is the 50th anniversary of the summer of love 1967

So now you're trying to say, inspire of all evidence to the contrary and absolutely no evidence for that someday I'll eventually agree with you just because?

What on Earth made you think that would work? What right have you to call the knowledge of society lies when you have no way of proving it? What insanity got you on this train of thought in the first place?

inspire of all evidence to the contrary

go away and learn to spell instead of using Voice to text on a ph

ok? Go TF away

Are you really so bad at this that you have to resort to criticizing my spelling?

what, can't you handle being mistaken?

If you can't spell "whether" correctly, how many other mistakes do you make BUT don't think they are 'mistakes' huh?

BTW: and just because 99.9% of US redditors make the same mistake, that doesn't justify you making it

But that mistake is truly inconsequential and irrelevant to the discussion.

I ask again, are you truly so out of ideas you're resorting to criticizing my spelling?

look up the Law of One

read all 106 sessions ... and start again

It's ALL about "consciousness" of the "mind/body/spirit distortion

I'm quite serious ... if you can do that, you're on the way to answering your own question

enjoy

Just a side thought, I certainly hope you didn't pay anyone for this. Maybe you could ask them and get back to me.

the point is it's one of the few studies which actually tries to "measure" varying levels of consciousness

although I imagine it's way over your head, shit it's over mine!

No, I understand it quite well. It's measuring the electrical signal intensity within the brain and measures the changes in it when the subject is exposed to LSD and other drugs. For the sake of click baiting the title it assumed that an increase in brain activity could be equated to an increase in consciousness, but does not go into how. It does not make any attempts to explain how consciousness arises whatsoever, or that their research has anything to do with consciousness at all.

Current research looking into consciousness and its origins are primarily focused on brain mapping. By understanding the organizational structure of the brain they hope to begin to understand how intelligence and thought arises in biological systems. It's rather complicated and we've spent the past decades just developing the tools by which this might be accomplished in a achievable time frame.

Stop trying to say that one claim is better than the other if you don't know any of the the details about either and can't be bothered to trust the people that do.

http://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php

Nowhere in there do I see a why or a how. All I see are statements that I'm supposed to accept at face value or be damned for eternity.

Fuck you. This isn't science or logic or any of the things that have actually built the world you live in, this is bull crap.

when you are The Creator manifest, it's like this

http://www.lawofone.info/favorite-quotes.php

when you are The Creator manifest

Do you have evidence that The Creator actually exists?

Do you have evidence that The Creator actually exists?

Are you an atheist?

No, but I'm well satisfied with the fact that I can't prove anything I believe to anyone else.

I'm well satisfied with the fact that I can't prove anything I believe to anyone else.

So, let ;me get this straight, you don't "believe" you could teach another person to read/write then, no?

Even though you believe that I can understand written words and so can many people, you wouldn't even try to share this knowledge with those who don't have it "becoz" you "can't prove anything I believe to anyone else"?

huh?

p.s. I noticed you did not answer ANY of the questions I asked you ... why not, were they 'too hard'?

You've twisted that statement around.

There is experimental evidence that people can learn language. It's a well proven fact, not just a belief. I will gladly teach you things that are well proven facts, as I have been trying to do. I can't justify spreading around ideas that have no basis to them, like you have been trying to do.

I will gladly teach you things that are well proven facts,

thanks, how kind of you!

"teach me" things someone else told you?

And you say My evidence is "anecdatol"! lmao! FFS! you must be a real PITA to live with

"teach me" things someone else told you?

And again, who the hell told you your crap?

After all you've said, How can you "believe" in some religion that has NO PROOF at all of what it says is The Truth?

Because it's personal, not forced onto other people, and completely irrelevant in important discussions about climate, politics, etc. I use religion to maintain faith in myself, not to explain the mysteries of the universe. I use science for the universe.

And again, who the hell told you your crap?

30 YEARS more experience than you have, that's part of it. Living Life, in the real World, not from behind a keyboard

30 YEARS more experience than you have

In what? Accepting logic you didn't read and directly contradict? In not believing centuries of fact-checking and evidence gathering or the collective work of the greatest minds of several generations? In ignoring what everyone generally believes is a good basic description of the universe to chase spiritual gurus and LSD? In not paying attention in science class?

And Living my Life in the real World, not from behind a keyboard

Oh trust me, I do that to. If you haven't noticed we've only been having these discussions in the middle of the night.

we've only been having these discussions in the middle of the night.

ROFL! The person who assumes like it's a valid way of ascertaining the facts .... also Assumes I am in the same time zone!

has it not accored to you that I might be in another country altogether?

maybe even somewhere on the other side of the Planet?

But, I guess I'd have to PROVE that to you as well!

fuck you are one arrogant person with 'tickets on yourself' aka you've got unjustified belief in "how much you know and it's veracity"

As this assumption clearly shows!

For someone who prides themselves on their "powers of logic" and abilty to "join the dots" --- You have just demonstrated just how little you actually take into consideration when talking with people online

Just like a true solopsist, for not only do you think that nobody else actually exists outside of your mind ...

it seems your narrow mind can't even imagine of the possibility* of people from other countries even exist!

Now can you see why I call you "narrow minded"?

ROFL! The person who assumes like it's a valid way of ascertaining the facts .... also Assumes I am in the same time zone! has it not accored to you that I might be in another country altogether? maybe even somewhere on the other side of the Planet? But, I guess I'd have to PROVE that to you as well! fuck you are one arrogant person with 'tickets on yourself' aka you've got unjustified belief in "how much you know and it's veracity" As this assumption clearly shows! For someone who prides themselves on their "powers of logic" and abilty to "join the dots" --- You have just demonstrated just how little you actually take into consideration when talking with people online Just like a true solopsist, for not only do you think that nobody else actually exists outside of your mind ... it seems your narrow mind can't even imagine of the possibility* of people from other countries even exist! This is the Result of another one of your "assumptions ... have you ever heard the saying that, "to assume is to make an ass of u and me"? And IF you 'think' you already know (whatever), you're mind is not open to "other ideas" as it's already full (of things other people taught you, rather than "things you learned about from Experience)

None of this is relevant to the discussion at all

And IF you 'think' you already know (whatever), you're mind is not open to "other ideas" as it's already full (of things other people taught you, rather than "things you learned about from Experience)

As I've already pointed out, scientific theories have been tested and scrutinized over centuries and has a pile of experimental evidence to back it up. As far as we can currently tell it is the truth, if it isn't then there'll be another pile of evidence for the new thing as well. Nothing you have comes remotely close to having the same level of rigor to it at all. You can't compare the two.

And you still haven't dealt with the fact that you Ra source believes in a grand unified theory and you don't.

Ra source believes in a grand unified theory and you don't.

and once again you assume much

way to go champ

I didn't have to assume, you claim Grand Unified Theory doesn't exist and your source claims that it does. I already pointed it out and you ignored me. I ain't makin' this up.

I've given you several tries to come back from that mess up, but if all you've got is ignoring me then there's no point in trying to get through your skull any longer.

you claim Grand Unified Theory doesn't exist and your source claims that it does.

NO! I said that GUT is still a theory

and I dont require 'scientific proof' to believe what I believe

Once again, you have refused to answer a simple question

NO! I said that GUT is still a theory -- and that was in no way 'referencing' Ra material Just as it's a THEORY of relativity

And your Ra source was using GUT as cold hard facts.

and I dont require 'scientific proof' to believe what I believe

Then how can you say your ideas are more right than my ideas? Why bother arguing with me at all?

oh, have a read of the first few pages to figure out how "Ra" came to be

http://www.lawofone.info/

I had to dig a surprisingly long way down the page to find anything actually scientific. It states as follows:

A magnetic field is nothing but a mathematical method of expressing the relative motion between electrical fields. Electrical fields are complex mathematical interpretations of a totally empirical observation stated as Coulomb’s Law. In other words, our forest of scientific knowledge and explanations is made up of trees about which we understand nothing except their effect, their existence.

Instead of just empirical observation, we actually are starting to know the origins of almost every fundamental force and particle in the universe. We've been able to reduce that complex set of equations down to two, one for Quantum Physics and one for Einsteinian Gravity. If I knew more about theoretical physics I could give you the particles and interactions that create electromagnetic fields.

The leaders of science who are researching the frontiers of modern theory argue among themselves continually.

About the exterior edge of knowledge. They argue because they want to be certain that the knowledge gained is reproducible and accurate as much as possible. The vast bulk of human knowledge is not under constant attack, which is why we've been able to do something about it.

The next few paragraphs are actually sound observations on the nature of relativity, except that the author used "light years" wrong. It's not speed or time, it's distance. If he was paying attention to everything he wrote on relativity he would have caught that.

This unified field theory, describing matter as pure field, has been accomplished now.

No, no it hasn't. If someone had created a unified field theory that could actually be defended they would have won the Nobel Prize in physics and Stephen Hawking would never stop talking about him for the rest of his life. The guy they cite as coming up with this system, Dewey Bernard Larson, has his own page on several debunking sites. Not a good sign. The main problem they have with his work is a complete lack of mathematics anywhere, ensuring that Larson does not actually describe relations between fundamental processes in the universe, but is merely postulating. The largest scientific fame he ever received was a book review by Issac Asimov, who said "If no electrons exist within the atom, as Larson suggests, I do not see how the photoelectric effect can be explained. From this I conclude that however stimulating Larson's book might be as an intellectual exercise, it need not be taken seriously as anything more than that." Busted.

The result of this approach is that one can now calculate from the basic postulate of Larson’s theory any physical value within our physical universe, from sub-atomic to stellar.

Interesting how he chose the word "calculate" given that there isn't any math involved. And what does he mean by "physical value"? That phrase is a non-sequitur that doesn't describe anything.

What physicists have never before considered worth investigating is now increasing at a very rapid rate. Action at a distance, apparently as a result of some type of mental activity, seems repeatedly the observed effect. When Uri Geller performs on TV, mentally bending metal and fixing clocks, there are often many kids who try to duplicate Uri’s “tricks.” Sometimes the kids succeed. The number of children that can cause bends and breaks in metal and other materials just by wanting the break or bend to occur is increasing daily.

There are no records of any of this. He's already blatantly making things up and we haven't even gotten to the deus ex universa he claims to have.

Oh, wait, my mistake, we have gotten there, this bullshit is what he has based everything on. He uses non-mathematical physics theories and anecdotes about telekinesis as his proof that everything is both intelligent and connect through aliens. What the actual fuck, I don't think I need to go any farther than that.

Instead of just empirical observation, we actually are starting to know the origins of almost every fundamental force and particle in the universe.

Bullshit! We hardly even know about our own 'solar system' e.g. how many planets are in it an "why they behave the way they Do?" as it's clear from the studies of the 'orbits' of every planet that something IS having a profound effect upon them

BUT, nobody knows "why" .... except to assume our sun is part of a binary star

here's a starter dish; https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/features/cosmic/solar_system_info.html

i.e. Have you heard of Eris or Dysnomia?

No, and neither had anyone else Until 2003! I could go on and on about all the "new science" BUT you'd just bitch about proof or lack thereof

Like I asked in another post to you, "do you 'believe' that astronomical 'Black Holes' even exist?"

as for the speed of light; watch this!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK6HxdUQm5s

And yet you have the Arrogance to state; "We've been able to reduce that complex set of equations down to two, one for Quantum Physics and one for Einsteinian Gravity."

Then you'd know they are incompatible, ergo the search for the Grand Unified Theory* contimues

Did you notice they're called "theories" and not "Laws"? Why do you think this Is the case?

We hardly even know about our own 'solar system' e.g. how many planets are in it an "why they behave the way they Do?" as it's clear from the studies of the 'orbits' of every planet that something IS having a profound effect upon them

Nobody would have realized this at all without the math that your sources are refusing to do.

BUT, nobody knows "why" .... except to assume our sun is part of a binary star

There is other matter such as the Kuiper Belt and the Ort cloud that has not been accurately measured, and there is always the possibility that discoveries haven't been made yet. However, these discoveries have to be backed up by reasoning and evidence, and in this case math, none of which you've been able to give me so far. Keep in mind that so far we've backpedaled all the way from illuminati to theoretical gravity calculations and lack thereof.

Like I asked in another post to you, "do you 'believe' that astronomical 'Black Holes' even exist?"

I don't have to believe anything in that regards, we've found several. The math still hasn't been worked out, because it could theoretically be calculated with either of two equations we haven't gotten to play nice with each other yet.

Then you'd know they are incompatible, ergo the search for the Grand Unified Theory* contimues

YES! I am WELL AWARE OF THIS.

It JUST SO HAPPENS that your previous source on all of this used a sloppy Unified Field Theory attempt as the baseline for the entire reasoning set! So you admit that this is bogus? Congratulations you've just shot yourself in the foot, and we're done here! It doesn't matter what I think of black holes when you've admitted the idea of God you've created is founded on something that doesn't exist.

Nobody would have realized this at all without the math that your sources are refusing to do.

BUT, nobody knows "why" .... except to assume our sun is part of a binary star

There is other matter such as the Kuiper Belt and the Ort cloud that has not been accurately measured

Once again, You contradict yourself with these two statements!

What is it? Either we can calculate using "all that math" you talk about OR we cant

What happened to "us knowing all there is to know about our Universe" then?

Clearly that's NOT the case, as you've been constantly asserting! fucking hell! The girl who doesn't believe anyone else exists YET doesn't "think" that's a 'solopsistic' attitude!

Get REAL

I rest my case

Either we can calculate using "all that math" you talk about OR we cant

The math is based on estimations of what mass is where at what times. We do a calculation, ask ourselves if the math works with just the mass we have discovered, and when the answer is no we ask ourselves what mass we missed, and where it would be located. This is how we discovered Neptune, so it is possible that we could discover planets this way. As far as I have heard, though, the math suggests that the stuff we haven't measured yet is random space junk asteroids and gas waaaaay off in the distance. As in significantly outside of Pluto. We have discovered rather large objects out there (which is why the whole reclassification of Pluto thing happened), but the likelihood of an entire planet is getting increasingly slim as time goes on. This is all without assuming the sun is Binary or other such nonsense.

What happened to "us knowing all there is to know about our Universe" then?

We don't, and can't. I have no idea why you thought that was where I was going with this.

The girl

Excuse me?

who doesn't believe anyone else exists YET doesn't "think" that's a 'solopsistic' attitude!

I do believe other consciousnesses exist, like I said earlier it's the polite thing to do. But there isn't evidence for that, so you can't be sure, making any further statements about the divine interconnectedness of consciousnesses completely unprovable.

Haha! Look who's using "logical fallacies" in an attempt to AVOID answering the question! How pathetic!

You're confusing this with the other thread of yours where I pointed out the ad hominem attacks.

My point here was that you're aware that Grand Unified Theory doesn't exist, and yet your Ra researchers source based their entire line of reasoning on the assumption that their GUT was correct. You're arguing against your own sources. At this point it doesn't matter what you think of me or any of the statements I make, you proved your own statement wrong. This argument is over not from the validity or non-validity any of my statements, but by the logical suicide you just performed. I suggest you sort that out before you pass judgement on other people.

I do believe other consciousnesses exist, like I said earlier it's the polite thing to do.

But there isn't evidence for that, so you can't be sure

So, *you Do Not 'believe' it, you're just being "polite"?!

and yet your Ra researchers source based their entire line of reasoning on the assumption that their GUT was correct.

They did? Fuck me! How did I miss that part? Could you quote it to me please?

p.s. You must be a very fast reader to have read ALL 106 sessions of the Ra material!

which, btw was NOT the sole source of my opinions

Yes you Are female, ok, I'd bet money on the Fact, but you might be older than 16.

Tell me truthfully that you're a man, I dare you

So, *you Do Not 'believe' it, you're just being "polite"?!

I'll try and be as clear as I can: There's no way of telling one way or the other. Society is built on the assumption that everyone can think for themselves, so for the sake of the economy we'll just have to go with that until someone finds proof one way or the other. In the meantime nobody should base any stupid logic off of it.

They did? Fuck me! How did I miss that part? Could you quote it to me please?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/692p3d/this_is_the_end_of_the_line_the_one_all/dhcne4j/

Take a read through of this comment again. It's right there in the middle. "This unified field theory, describing matter as pure field, has been accomplished now." In case you need more context this is where the discussion on the importance of having math to back claims up started.

You must be a very fast reader to have read ALL 106 sessions of the Ra material!

Just the intro alone would have taken me all day. But the first 1/4 of it had plenty of gaping holes in it that you still haven't managed to fill. I assumed that if there was something in the other 105&3/4 that could have filled those holes you would have brought it up.

which, btw was NOT the sole source of my opinions

I assumed it was your best source, and that's why you led with it. If you want we can totally scrap that one and start on a different source of yours.

Yes you Are female, ok, I'd bet money on the Fact, but you might be older than 16. Tell me truthfully that you're a man, I dare you

I'm a 20 year old white straight male Marine Biology major at Bowling Green State University, Ohio, USA, and now you're just being sexist.

but .... you TOLD me "this conversation is over" so why do you keep replying?

Ok, you're a male ... not sure I'd call you a 'man' but

You ASSUME waaaay too much!

bye now

you TOLD me "this conversation is over" so why do you keep replying?

Because for some reason you can't accept that your argument has been destroyed.

You ASSUME waaaay too much!

Okay, I've already delt with that statement. Go read my other comment chain, we'll deal with that falsity there.

you TOLD me "this conversation is over" so why do you keep replying?

Because for some reason you can't accept that your argument has been destroyed.

Besides the FACT You have "destroyed" NOthing!

That's NO valid answer!

I now realize you actually believe the Shit you've been spouting!

Talk about a "legend in his own lunchbox"

Just the intro alone would have taken me all day.

But the first 1/4 of it had plenty of gaping holes in it that you still haven't managed to fill.

BUT you didn't read them and so likely took them out of context ... you couldn't even read the intro before you replied to it!

as a fool would do, and then say "I Know it's wrong becoz I saw "gaping holes" in something I did not read

Talk about precocious!

Nice!

BUT you didn't read them and so likely took them out of context ... you couldn't even read the intro before you replied to it!

Because I had already found problems with it that you still haven't been able to answer. Did you read what I wrote?

as a fool would do, and then say "I Know it's wrong becoz I saw "gaping holes" in something I did not read

You apparently didn't read it either, like I pointed out you've contradicted it already with just the first 1/4 of the intro I read.

Sure I only read part of it, but I only needed to read part of it before running into statements you directly contradicted. I didn't need to read 105 chapters of garbage if it dies in the intro.

Did you read what I wrote?

Yes, so far I have, BUT you can't say the same thing.

In fact, I asked you the same thing a dozen posts back

Have you run out of fallacious 'reasoning'?

ROFL! and you're serious!

Following

No.

I posted this nearly a month ago on this particular 'scandal' because so many were getting distracted by it. Anyone who can read the globalists' organizing signals can spot the effort to contrive the scandal as part of an agenda... But of course, anyone else who can read their signals likely already knows and is hyping it pretty much as OPie here is.

We also have the 'Alt-media Good, MSM Bad' dialectic here. Which always gets me. Just because the MSM is making great efforts to display their sell-outry, why exactly does that make the alt-media personalities credible? For all their resources and cunning, are they just fundamentally incapable of designing a website, creating a blog, or paying lackeys to do the same? What exactly about alt-media is so trustworthy, reliable and sacrosanct anyway?

Or is it that they're just pretty much coming out with a chorus of similar alt-news, so it must be true? Odd, when the MSM do that we interpret it as evidence that they're getting their directives from the same originating source.

The globalists are well aware that you're incredulous and untrusting of the MSM. Statistically they're very likely to have decided that for you, because a 'limited exposure' to restore credibility is part of their plan to forestall an inevitable unlimited exposure if they didn't address those who were already skeptical. But fortunately here comes the alt-media to save us all. The new boss, just like the old boss. Don't worry, there'll be enough emotionally positive fluff to go around and so many New Age gnostic catchphrases that you'll never notice critical thinking is nowhere in sight.

For what it's worth, the topic of OP here used to be a recruitment method while the globalists were striving to obtain power. Now that they've acquired it their personnel are told to cut it out - no more perks of you want to survive in the club, much less advance. In fact you'll now have to give back everything and pay back all the bribes, then work for them for nothing to show your devotion to the cause. Don't like it? Still want to dabble in the unseemly behavior you used to? The look out kiddo, because everyone else behind you trying to get a leg up in the organization is just looking for the first opportunity to sell you out and earn points with their superiors.

Consequently, we get this. The subject of the OP. A deliberate 'limited exposure' effort designed to impress the general public while simultaneously creating an opportunity for the globalists to pull the lever on the trapdoor and jettison any of their less-than-fully-loyal lackeys, in order to make room for those who are. Because if they're going to make their New Order succeed, they know they're going to have to look convincingly legit. And that's not going to happen if their frontmen are a bunch of self-indulgent jagoffs.

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The subject of the OP. A deliberate 'limited exposure' effort designed to impress the general public while simultaneously creating an opportunity for the globalists to pull the lever on the trapdoor and jettison any of their less-than-fully-loyal lackeys, in order to make room for those who are.

how do they do that ITT?

By getting the general public focussed on the topic in the OP - the aspect regarding minors, that is - the public are indoctrinated to associate 'the bad guys' with a practice that they're phasing out anyway. So when they abolish it, to the general public it'll look like 'the bad guys' no longer exist. Additionally, this discreetly communicates a strategy to their personnel to seek opportunities to sell out errant members of their own group if they violate the new policies and go back to indulging in the kinds of illegal hedonism that enabled 'the bad guys' to increase their numbers by providing people the means to satisfy before. And with the general public now so thoroughly riled over the topic, they'll demand severe justice on instances where the behavior is exposed. So the public's desire for justice ends up just providing a convenient, overt, outsourced policy enforcement mechanism for 'the bad guys', a while keeping those who are opposed to them occupied.

That's how the subject being promoted by the OP here promotes the agendas of 'the bad guys'. If you're asking me how this specific OP promotes them, you'd seem to be asking me to violate this subreddit's rules by calling someone here a shill. That I can't do, though I am concerned with the amount of wooly thinking and other things throughout the OP.

while simultaneously creating an opportunity for the globalists to pull the lever on the trapdoor and jettison any of their less-than-fully-loyal lackeys

I was specifically referring to this comment

How do they decide by posts like this as to who "pull the lever and jettison"?

that's what you said was the reason didn't you?

How do they decide by posts like this as to who "pull the lever and jettison"?

Er, they don't. I didn't say they did.

that's what you said was the reason didn't you?

Their personnel involved in the practices of the OP's topic.

How do you know any of what you say is true?

I speak their system of code and use it to track their agendas as they coordinate them to their personnel via doubletalk within the media. Eventually it should make great evidence for court once we get the common law courts back.

Ok, I think I get you now.

but, if it's true that

I speak their system of code

Are you talking about a literal code? A 'cypher' or encryption of some type?

If so, the where did you learn this 'code'?

Or is that just the term you use for "reading between the lines" of "the writing on the wall"?

which any intelligent enough person with access to the Internet can probably do too

Ok, I think I get you now. Although it's probably me, your words seem rather vague and ambiguous

It may not just be you. I've tried to be clear, but communication relies on having a shared context. When a listener is unfamiliar with the context because it hasn't been out in the open for quite a while sometimes it takes a few passthroughs and attempts to clarify for good communication to happen effectively. I'm here in what's termed in law 'good faith' and am certainly willing to clarify, I just don't always know when I haven't described something effectively until someone mentions it. Please continue to do so when needed. I want to be clear.

Are you talking about a literal code? A 'cypher' or encryption of some type?

Yes. A system of symbolism and imagery often termed 'doubletalk'. Multiple systems actually, one or more for each franchise and another set of them for the apparent 'parent group' or principal organization, the ongoing organizational structure of the Babylonian 'mystery priests'. These systems are used by their practitioners simultaneously, or 'stacked', with the result that content prepared by, say, Jesuits who are sufficiently 'in the know' with choose phrasing or visual symbols which impart a message not only overtly, but in Jesuit covert lingo and Babylonians covert symbolism as well, simultaneously. It's a technique which takes years if not decades to do effectively, particularly in realtime, but learning how to 'hear' it rather than 'speak' it is much easier.

If so, the where did you learn this 'code'?

I started with the usual drug slang that's become so prevalent, then noticed it was in music lyrics and studied them diligently, piecing the code format together through context clues just like with overt languages. Then I noticed that while much of it used this system, other performers and other forms of media were using some other system unfamiliar to me. So I examined those and learned several, eventually becoming able to determine through comprehension to which 'group' they belonged. Jesuits, Knights of Malta, some of the Asian dynastic groups, Freemasonry and so on. Then between carefully assessing the symbolism being used and some overt research into conspiracy theory / history I had my attention called to some of the historic 'big name' groups: the Vatican, Babylon and so forth. I did some overt research into their symbols and sure enough, there they were in modern media and not only were they present - which could be purely coincidental - they were present in the right covert grammatical context time and time again to convey meaningful covert messages. Not only that, but many of these groups had their own covert languages 'stacked' in such a way that they were using both their own code base and Vatican and/or Babylonian codes to convey meaningful information simultaneously. The odds against that happening purely on accident, over and over again systematically, are of course nearly impossible.

Then I started going over some of the overt analyses of the globalists' already-exposed or already-enacted plans, and started to notice a lot of really old media from decades ago covertly organizing these plans. This not only helped to confirm that I was onto something, but also helped me make sure I had my 'reading comprehension' down pat by carefully examining the symbols and grammar they used in those instances to making sure I had a correct understanding of their usage of the various symbols, correcting where necessary.

which any intelligent enough person with access to the Internet can probably do too

Pretty much anyone is able to do this, too, it's just that not many have the original awareness of the technique of doubletalk and the motivation to study it on their own and the overt historical research to give them an idea of which groups' symbolism to study. Of those who do have all these things, nearly all of them have them because they're involved with these groups themselves and have little to no inclination to expose the, and would encounter severe reprisals from their group of they did so anyway.

This sub with probably be interested to know that a large proportion of the seemingly 'normal' people shouting down and publicly ridiculing 'bizarre conspiracy theorists' are indeed using g these sorts of codes themselves, indicating collusion on their part. And for that matter, so are nearly all of the alt-media 'expose the conspiracy!' / 'Disclosure' sources and personalities.

It's probably enough to establish in court collusion with a conspiracy of treason, subversion and plenty more. Now all we need to do is restore courts of law so we can get an actual fair trial thing happening.

I'm here in what's termed in law 'good faith' and am certainly willing to clarify,

and that's what really matters so, it's all good bro.

I just don't always know when I haven't described something effectively until someone mentions it. Please continue to do so when needed. I want to be clear.

Well, you sure made yourself very clear in your reply and I thank you sincerely for bothering to compose such a quality reply .. that pretty much answered what I wanted to know.

Ok, I accept your 'credentials' ... but matey, the 'plated the seed' bit was waaay too esoteric and sounded like some ego trip tbh!

Anyway, tellme, have you seen the document "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" OR read the Dr Neruda interviews from 1998?

I can link you if you like

Well, you sure made yourself very clear in your reply and I thank you sincerely for bothering to compose such a quality reply .. that pretty much answered what I wanted to know.

Cool.

And I accept your 'credentials' ... but matey, the 'plated the seed' bit was waaay too esoteric and sounded like some ego trip tbh!

I don't recall having used that phrase - it's not one I'd usually use given the symbolism in it - and so I'm not sure what you were referring to there. Can you clarify?

Anyway, tellme, have you seen the document "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" OR read the Dr Neruda interviews from 1998?

I'm aware of both and scanned the former years ago. I always conflate it with 'The Battle for Your Mind' by Dick Sutphen. But if memory serves it was interesting, but not particularly relevant to what they're up to covertly. Presumably different aspects of the same organization and agenda, but that's overt while the stuff I've been describing is more covert.

And I accept your 'credentials' ... but matey, the 'plated the seed' bit was waaay too esoteric and sounded like some ego trip tbh!

I confused you with someone else for a moment, if you look again that comment is gone

These interviews are well worth reading, and remember they were done in 1998!

bst http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread368527/pg1

take it easy my new internet friend

Without putting this in book form, with proper chapters (or even paragraphs), I'm going to jump took the conclusion that you're kookoo.

Thank you for this post. Sending positive energy your way.

If we are all one, can you give me your wallet? :)

Tl;dr

"Planet" Earth. Maybe if we reveal and spread their biggest secret, normies will wake up and we'd have a chance at a successful rebellion? Check my comment history if you want or don't whatever

I always love your posts!

lay of the crack pipe there buddy.

Check out the Law of One: Ra Material

Extraterrestrials that are billions of years ahead of human civilization define Infinity as Unity, ultimately everything is part of All there is/Infinity and thus everything can't help but be the Creator/Universe experiencing itself.

Nature of reality/existence is of Oneness. Everything is Divine, there is only truly Freewill. Law of One also talks about the creation story of "God"/existence as well in session 13 http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=13

https://youtu.be/rVUEdj-OIMA

https://youtu.be/Tltx0Ipc3UU

Bentinho, as well as people in Gaia.com are all about the Law of One, as am I. Take what resonates, leave what does not

Isn't Ra an incarnation of Osiris aka Lucifer? Hence the message that evil isn't actually evil as it creates the possibilities for good. Mystery Babylon strikes again.

Maybe we've never been able to reach true God because of the matrix our consciousness is trapped within and the limited perspectives we have to connect to "God" and how easily that being could manipulate us.

The whole entire scenario seems like a massive trap with bits of truth dropped in for us to realize the bars are holding us into the prison.

Ra seems sketchy at best but that doesn't mean the info isn't true I'm the law of one. Perhaps he gives truth because the control system is so reinforced that he doesn't even worry about it.

New age is intelligently placed controlled opposition. Be wary.

This is truth

So...what can we do about that?

. Awareness and unity on the issue could stop it within a week or even less

True, it could be instantaneous But it won't be becoz;

*if *

the right amount of people know about it.

But, they don't! And even when they are 'told' their cognitive dissonance is too strong for them to overcome.

But that's ok too, remember, most peeps will need baby steps, then, Slowly slowly catchee monkey! lol

That's why I'm trying to get this out there and raise awareness and shine light on this dark subject so we can all learn from it and deal with it

Only yesterday I was thinking of compiling a somewhat similar post But, I wasn't sure if such efforts would be well recieved here, which is partly the case, as you can see from some comments

BUT the bulk of the comments are like "Thanks mate! This is fucking amazing"

And they're right, and it's also brought out people discussing The Law of One and other things.

This is Really Gre4at in my opinion, thanks muchly LOUD bro!

OP You were doing so well until you said this!

They are scum of the earth and are in direct harm to mankind itself and wish nothing more than for us to destroy ourselves while they laugh on the side lines.

NO! Not so.

they are as much your brothers and sisters as much as any of us duh!

and to "separate" them from this family of all sentient beings is No Less a "divide to conquer" mentality than any TPTB eschew!

And it's a silly mistake.

I understand you've recently been 'awakened' to some of the Truth

But, so long as you choose to separate ANYONE ,, you are still trapped in the 'divide to conquer' belief system you have grown up with ... tighten the FUCK up!

You can't go Preaching "peace, Love and mung beans to ALL "your bro's and ho's" AND leave them out!

See what you're doing there OP?

And The Truth is far stranger than you know! It's more like 5-15 people literally "run the world" playing the long game where they 'plan' for at least 4 generations ahead of 'now'

If you are interested in reading more about them, just ask and I'll add some links for you to browse

Only jesus' resurrection can save us from Satan

For those who are turned off by some of the more dramatic suggestions in this post, I would implore you to check out some of Jon Ronson's books and research on psychopaths.

Regardless of your feelings on the conspiracies put forth by OP, there is very real evidence to suggest that a significant percentage of the world's most powerful people are essentially psychopathic, characterized by the inability to feel emotion or empathy.

Most people imagine psychopaths as sadistic killers, but many studies suggest a 1% prevalence of psychopathy in the general population. Obviously, 1 in 100 people are not violent murderers; those who are were likely exposed to traumatic physical, emotional and/or sexual abuse as children. Many work menial jobs, held back by their anti-social tendencies but never developing violent habits thanks to typical loving families. Others, perhaps born with a silver spoon already in mouth, might find psychopathy to be a massive benefit in business, politics, law, etc. where emotions are often a detriment.

Most biologically-typical people like to discard theories like OP's because they cannot fathom a fellow human, not unlike themselves, participating in such things - much less 8000-8500 of the world's most powerful people. They don't understand that these people, these 70 million people by many counts, are fundamentally different than their emotional counterparts. It's like expecting a wild ape to act rationally because it can shake hands like a human.

I won't speculate as to what these powerful psychopaths are capable of as OP has done a great job of that, but their is empirical research and strongly founded studies that psychopaths have advantages over the general population and are likely to occupy a disproportionate amount of powerful positions. It's a massive blindspot in our society that more people need to be aware of.

Thank you for posting this. A lot more research needs to be done on this topic, but I agree that this is a disturbing trend that warrants our attention. Of course, this is very far removed from the sorts of things OP is discussing though.

Ding ding ding. If you get the chance to hang out with the upper crust, you start being able to pick out who is a person and who is a bottomless black hole of greed and ambition. I see them pretty regularly in the business world. I drag myself out hiking at least once a week to stay sane in that environment. Gonna buy some acreage soon.

I frequently recommend Jon Ronson's book on psychopaths! Great comment!

if that's your definition of psychopath then 90% of people on earth are psychopath

You're thinking of psychological conditioning, what I'm describing is a different animal. You can have a terrorist who's been conditioned to rationalize away the deaths they cause but still has love for his family - actually, I suppose that's how most terrorists become terrorists. A psychopath can be the normal, if not slightly off-putting, family man working a 9-5 office job, who might describe the death of his wife or child as an "inconvenience" or a "bummer" (pretty sure this is from Ronson's Psychopath Test). The highest-functioning psychopaths are also incredibly skilled at manipulation because they process human interaction like a math problem rather than implicit emotional cues like the rest of us. It's really fascinating stuff until you realize the implications

that's exactly what I meant.,and lead me to get into conclusion that psychopat is our human nature and majority of human are psychopat by result.,

Psychopathy is not human nature. Being born without emotions is not a human thing.

psychopath is lack of empathy, not lack of emotions

Assuming those numbers are right then yes, 99% of humans have the physical capacity for empathy. This doesn't mean 99% of people are empathetic towards every other person like you think. It means they can feel empathy.

You might as well check out manic phase of a psychotic episode.

That's not the end of the line. Finding out who those 8K-8.5K psychos work for is the end of the line.

This pdf helps with that.

I am so thankful you made this post. They have done a good job of getting most people to sweep this under the rug. They were able to put the focus on pizzagate and turn it's definition into only about a pizza parlor instead of human trafficking. I think this information if presented after getting someone to read the Oatmeal comic on the backfire effect, will have profound results. Here is a link to the comment but it was also a thread on this board in the hot section for awhile and still might be. And on a totally unrelated note If you are in to anime at all I have been watching one called Attack On Titan and SPOILERS SORT OF BE WARNED

that seems to involve satanic rituals about the mysteries of their world and why they are attacked by titans. I haven't read the manga yet as it is much farther than the anime but I prefer to watch action based stories in animation if possible. I have noticed a big uptick in the satanic angle being portrayed in media. A show called Supernatural had an episode a few weeks ago where the hunted down Moloch. Although they didn't point out specifcally he was a god of child sacrifice, just regular sacrifice but you get the idea. Anyway sorry for the unrelated rambling but again I truly love and appreciate what you have done and your effort put into this. It will not go to waste or become lost in the mix. I am sharing the message with my proposed strategy of the backfire effect comic then this information. However I choose not to put a link to the conspiracy forum to try to ease people into it. People would accept and view a blog post with a bit more validity than a conspiracy forum unfortunately.

The thing is, this all boils down to Zionism.

For gods sake, stop with the Jews! It's always the Jews.....

Half of jews reject zionism. It's an ideology. Don't confuse the two

A whole lot of Christians are Zionists.

it's like their entire culture has been hijacked.....

pretty much

i keep thinking signs need to be posted saying

KEEP YOUR PIZZA OUT OF OUR PURIM!

This is what's called the manic phase of a psychotic episode.

Most of the comments here are thanking op for his good work. Makes you wonder who is on this sub lmao.

Oh I see. You are a psychiatrist then?

More of a joke, based on this post's length and content.

I thought so as well but did not know the medical term.

This has happened to me a couple times but reality sinks in pretty fast. It usually gets triggered by high stress, lack of sleep etc. Maybe it's just some part of the brain that shutsdown while awake so it can rest.

I'm all for the investigation of conspiracies, but this is far from being a manifesto of a sane man.

Oh no, the rabbit hole goes even deeper, search for the concave earth in wildheretic.com and youtube and read with an open mind, they are hiding the true shape of the earth so unless we attack the hydra by his head it will continue to grow.

Thank you so much for this. I have a vague sense of what is going on but only stumbled across this sub a few days ago and came here looking for a post with as much detail as this one. I look forward to checking out all those links you've provided. Thanks again!

Too bad so many people are so willing to turn into apathetic vultures that want to take what's yours as soon as they perceive you to have anything that they want, and feel they are in a position to take it. And, let's not forget the competitive mindset that the peasantry are mindfucked into, so that far too many people try to undermine anyone in any position of advantage over them in order to create opportunity for themselves by attempting to make others seem less than they are.
Most people are out for themselves almost exclusively, and can justify just about any wrongdoing to themselves if it brings them enough in terms of gain.
The 8,000 are not the problem. It is the conditioning people are exposed to that makes them the ravenous parasites that are willing to bring the world to the brink of doom with their greed.

the kali yuga.....

?

the age of iron

when darkness rules

Sticky this

Very good post. I watch a lot of David Icke and feel like this is straight out of his shows. I feel the love and wish you well brother. Someday soon we will bring this conspiracy to the world's attention. We need to, before it is too late.

I read all of it, almost every link, took a few hours haha. Usually I can't ever sit down and focus on one thing. Amazing post OP, great list. Super easy to keep hitting links from some of the articles you provided.

Good effort man I love u too )))

Missing 411

Please don't be so ableist. The politically correct term is capitalist.

I agree with everything you say except for the "unity" part. There is nothing but extreme pain and suffering whenever it is decided something is "for the good of all" . I don't want collectivism, i've lost my childhood to it, i'd rather have the evils one win then put other children into that miserable so called life. No life is better than the continuous suffering that is collectivism.

I am not a number, I am a free man

I am not part of any "oneness" and i will fight tooth and nail to oppose any movement that aims for such goals.

Here's the "Introduction to what's really going on in 43 short hours"

Beautiful post man, I appreciate your effort. It's refreshing to read something like this here once in a while. We are love. When we remember we are love and express we are love, collectively the world becomes love. That is our power. That is the gift for self and the world which is in our power to give!

Thank you for sharing! Peace be within you!

To be honest I think it will be more like 80, or even 8, psychopaths...

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Is conspiracy becoming a new religion?

It's old. Just the new generation with updated bad sources.

You almost had me, until you start blathering about the Bible nonsense

Commenting so I can find this after work

Wait, so you think the Zionists are Satanists, but then you also think the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemetic hoax? Seems contradictory.

Is the idea of this gish gallop that psychopaths/sociopaths are working TOGETHER?

So, despite all evidence that they don't form social groups, they have formed a social group to work TOGETHER, despite everything that says they don't?

So, if I'm reading this right, sociopaths and psychopaths have tricked everyone for hundreds of years, convincing us all that they aren't social people, just so they could socially organize for the betterment of the group?

Wow.

Don't be conned. Yes, this is put together with a ton of BS but it's done to discredit the few parts of it that are true. The Dutch banker part is fact (1st link). The rest, especially any Illuminati stuff is disinfo cr@p.

I think you still have a deeper truth to uncover. There is no evil in this world, there is no free will. Everything is the way it is meant to be, it is all perfect.

I'm glad you think that way, it means you're optimistic, but you're also a little wrong. You have a certain degree of free will, however there is an "attractor" in the future guiding us towards its creation. I bet you realized this on a trip and came to the conclusion that none of what we do matters because it will end the same anyway. The same things will happen but who does them is not predetermined. If you are aware of the atrocities in the world and you're brave enough, you could be a catalyst for the event that results in the downfall of the evil elites.

There is no "me" to have control. Enlightenment is but another game, there is nothing to it.

When the real you is all, to have hate towards anyone else (no matter how evil them seem) only means to hate yourself.

Maybe all of this darkness is to create more light, for us to rise in to. As there is no up without down, no left without right, one must experience the worst, in order to be able to experience the best - infinite love

I don't have a link for it right now, but please youtube "alan watts - what if god got bored"

I went down to the end of the rabbit hole you are in, you can realise none of it matters at the end, it's all still part of a temporary game. Who knows if us humans are even important, what might here be in the next billion years? Will it be more important than the last 14billion? Of course not - and our measly 200,000 years as humans is not either

I've listened to a few dozen hours of Alan Watts and others like him already. I've taken more than my fair share of psychedelics and come to some of the same conclusions you have: we are all the same divine being manifested as different awareness to experience the universe from varied perspectives. The good wouldn't be as good if there was no bad. But don't write off humanity as a meager experiment. We're immanentizing the eschaton. "God" has been playing this game for a long time where he forgets who he is to become more immersed in this experience of duality and life. The goal of this game is to remember the truth of who you are. You, as manifested in your current form, already remembered and therefore have "won". You know the kingdom of heaven is within and you know there is nothing to fear. However you also exist in all of the people around you. Those that don't know yet are suffering. I think once you figure it out, you should be helping them along the path, as their suffering is also your suffering. You have seen outside the Matrix, so you can dodge bullets now, but the others you care about are still asleep. The elites that manipulate the sleeping sheep have gone through a false or partial enlightenment. They still have their egos, so they haven't seen that duality is an illusion. They don't understand the goal of the game. They're not evil, just ignorant, asleep as the rest. To stop them from manipulating us, we need to help them stop being manipulated by impulses, negative emotion, egoic desires, and other manipulators. The full enlightenment experience can happen to anyone at any time, but it doesn't happen or to everyone often. It's up to people like us to wake everyone else up. The sooner we achieve mass enlightenment, the sooner we can see heaven on Earth.

this is the reason i'm still alive!

I didn't see them mention hating anyone as you implied.

I believe this does matter in the end because if they continue to hold power over the human race, we will adapt and evolve further to fit their mold. I have free will and that is something I do not want for humans.

The future is something that is undetermined and meaningless right now. We only exist in the present and because I can see that they are trying to mold me and the people I love, I would like to put an end to that. A peaceful end caused by awareness and a love for all life.

You shouldn't downplay human beings, we are absolutely incredible and deserve to live as we please.

Next, you'll say: But if we can live how we please, then they will continue to take power.

This is true, but because we are capable of mental awareness, we can see them for what they are and not follow them.

Aka determinism.

There is no evil just lack of good. Just like darkness is just lack of light.

Lol at everyone swallowing op' s bullshit like he's a preacher. /r/conspiracy is for loonies off their meds I guess.

Great research

Thank you for this post brother.

We shall prevail.

Great post!

I think I'll go for the neutral ending.

The blood of Tryants is spilled by Patriots.

You mean Partiots.

I honestly just cannot even begin to comprehend how anyone can be sexually attracted or want to do anything sexual with a child. It's so fucked up, and it makes me sick to know that other humans are actually enjoying it as well. I was sexually abused at a young age and it fucked my head up. I'm still fucked up today. It's not right and I don't know how people can think it's in any way justifiable. I'm scared for the future.

it's demonic possession.....

it's the spirit using it's human vessel to fed on the innocent.....

and also bind it's vessel more tightly to it.

Wtf, this is the greatest shitpost ever.

OP, you should write a book.

While I do believe there is a minority of ultra rich that hold the reins of power over the world, and use their wealth and connections to evolve the world to their vision, I just cannot get behind this notion that their end goal is to have us, the common people, all dead.

With the average citizen wiped out, there is no one to service them, no one to manipulate, and especially no one to fight their wars.

But all in all, great post!

it's layered.......

agenda 21 is a narrative for the true believers.

Hmmmm

Lol

Good. The sooner they eliminate all these idiots the better. I'm rooting for the satanic illuminati luciferian zionists.

The Jews

I love this.

Check out the book, The Franklin Cover-up.

More relevant things:

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-304-political-pedophilia/

Remember the Whitehouse Callboy ring during HW Bush, etc.? Have you heard of the Discovery Chanel documentary that was canceled from being air and leaked by a former Nebraska senator called Conspiracy of Silence, or the book called The Franklin Coverup, or that 60 Minites Australia episode on UK government pedophilia, or that documentary called An Open Secret on pedophillia in Hollywood, or the movie Eyes Wide Shut, or the recent movie on pedophile preists called Spotligh, or the convicted pedophile billionaire Jeffery Epstein with his pedo Lolita Express plane and pedo island where he hosts orgies and has hidden cameras in rooms for blackmail, or the many people coming forward claiming to be raped by politicians and other global elites, or Jimmy Savile, etc, etc, etc.

There are many pedo rings that get busted all the time. There are also rings protected by police forces and government agencies that also have connections with global elites.

There is the work of a fellow redditor (Post regarding: In light of the recent Pizzagate revelations, let us all remember one of the best posts of all time in /r/conspiracy; "[ORIGINAL RESEARCH] The Mountain of Evidence for a Massive International Pedophile Ring Protected by Police and Intelligence Agencies" by /u/LawOfAttraction33 (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5hq1j3/in_light_of_the_recent_pizzagate_revelations_let )) that used to go by /u/LawOfAttraction33, and now, /u/Love_And_Light33

Hey! I wrote this. I expanded the thesis from 16 pages to over 100 as part of a larger book on psychopathy and power.

Free here in pdf form if is anyone is interested.

http://www.thepeopleshistory.net/p/free-ebook-lifting-veil.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5f6xyo/z/daijv5x (3 years ago a Redditor compiled information about the mountain of evidence for a massive, international pedophile ring protected by police and investigators.)

Let me start by focusing on you, the person reading this. I want to say, from a complete internet stranger that I love you and I want the best for you. Because you are another aspect of myself

Thanks for letting me know early on in your post that I shouldn't take the time to read it. Cheers you creepy cultist fuck.

Names & addresses please

How in ever loving heck did this imbecile get to the front page?

Maybe a conspiracy from another forum like discord to help get this get traction then it just snowballed.

Listen to William Cooper!

Any favorite show? I already listen to the 9/11 prediction and his last broadcast.

I would honestly listen to everything he's ever said. Just watched his Behold a Pale Horse lecture and now I'm working through his Porterville Presentation lecture

And here we have the over the edge stuff again.

Consciousness isn't a frequency or a vibration, Satan and God aren't real, and adding this makes you sound crazy.

Yes, there is a pedophilia ring, and there are satanic based rituals with video evidence for black mail. But not for gods.

The world is run by about 200 possessed luciferians who are from powerful bloodlines that have been breeding with demons for centuries. Somehow. Under them are luciferian priests and witches who run every aspect of society, according to a now deceased whistleblower, John Todd from the music industry who quit and became Christian. He pointed out that all music is cursed and that rockstars from the 60s were children of the military and all grew up in laurel canyon. He worked closely with fellow illuminati witch, David Crosby.

Unity & Awareness is how we free Planet Earth

This is why psychedelics are outlawed.

Huh, my own primary conspiracy is similar, just stripped of the Jews and Hillary pedophilia stuff. As far as I can tell, human society has almost always existed with the object of keeping the powerful in power. It rewards the psychopaths willing to compete enough to win it, generation after generation, until psychopathy becomes a beneficial trait. Look at all of our TV shows that star morally ambiguous men who aren't sure they can feel anymore.

America has been particularly corrupted by greed. While peasants of other nations never expect a happy life, we get told we're owed one from birth. So we all play the psychopathic games of the elites, while they toss down scraps from the table just to watch their dogs fight.

The Jews are a distraction, Hillary is a distraction. Lizard people are real but very human.

Meds ran out again, eh?

If we don't take BOLD & BRAVE moves, this will never be fixed. Non-violent agression is what's needed people. Why aren't there massive protests around the White House? Why are politicians being humiliated by the passer by citizens when the media has cameras pointed at them? We need massive bumper stickers to red pill people.

We need to put in work folks. It will be fun so it won't feel like work.

To be fair, a lot of you are redpilling like crazy so that is great progress.

We need to literally force Trumps hand into action. FORCE his hand with massive protests. There are so many unemployed among us. All we need is 1 guy to stay around the White House, Federal Reserve, or any other notable cabal stronghold and you will attract many more behind you. We need a 24/7 protest plus much more. We won't get anywhere unless we actually JUST DO IT!

We can do it but if we do it now, we will get to our end goal faster. The longer we wait, the longer we suffer.

You mean, "the jig is up", right.

Gotta love the work put in this post.

Thank you for this, damn the pictures of the Roth's parties are pretty fucked up.'

These people really are weird.

Wow... http://imgur.com/a/iRPf2

Not that what you're saying isn't true, but this is far from the end. Pretty surface level as far as conspiracies go

Where did you come up with the 8,000 - 8,500 number? How many people have we identified being a part of that group? Where are they all hiding and how are they communicating their agenda with each other?

they work for the jinn

being spirits, the jinn run the network.

Luciferians = Satanists

There is no difference

Don't worry, the younger generation see this more than you realize, it ends in time, we will be ok, we all realize we have each other, I am excited for time to come and show the last century was ran by insane close minded senseless robots, patternizing their flawed and unrightable existence. As long as we exist, it's inevitable, cheers guys love you all.

The most important thing is realizing we have awareness, this will bring us together, and anything that hurts another person even the slightest, will disperse. Our will to make happy will thrive over anything.

People actually believe this. Wow.

This guy had way too much acid in his freezer at one point in his life.

Excellent post!

Ok. The elite have the technology. How do we peasants educate ourselves and create our own similar technology to spread ? If that makes sense . We are too stupid

Question to any atheists out there reading this: Knowing that the elite, the most powerful people on Earth are mainly all Lucifarians.. Do you still believe God and Satan to not be real? and why. Please don't answer in some condescending way and be dicks about it. I'm legitimately curious as to what an atheist who believes the elite are real thinks once they find out the elite worship satan

you are on the right vibration my man

Can we keep this on the front page forever?

https://johngraysonblog.wordpress.com/2017/01/16/julian-assange-reporters-erecting-a-demon-by-protecting-hillary-clinton-or-the-secret-holy-war-of-the-elites/

don't they need us to work for them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax

these people are maji

this is Zoroastrianism

and purim food looks just like pizza slices......

Amen Brother, My sword is Your Truth and light

I've already joined the dark side. Sucks for you guys.

Years of illuminati research

It's the Jews

Tfw

THIS

THIS is what i come here for. Good job.

Lay off the meth

Really amazing post I feel like I read at best point possible in my life. I'm having a discussion with a friend and I told him I would try to figure out a way to word my opinion on realty and why I think there are people controlling our society and this is said a million times better than I would of put it. Thank you so much I'll be sending him this link

thank you for shining the light on these issues. Craig Sawyer just started VeteransforChildRescue to confront human trafficking of children https://www.facebook.com/Vets4ChildRescue/

yes I have seen his videos..I follow him on Facebook too. Great guy.

i did notice that just i had no idea mail was even waiting

i guess those beady eyes werent blaring enough

If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe

Don't be conned. Yes, this is put together with a ton of BS but it's done to discredit the few parts of it that are true. The Dutch banker part is fact (1st link). The rest, especially any Illuminati stuff is disinfo cr@p.

He would have been dead a few times by now. Great ideas but they will kill you.

this is how it will be done!

these people are maji

this is Zoroastrianism

and purim food looks just like pizza slices......

Well then what is Aura imaging? What is Aura? How are auras created? What are auras composed of?

You're really digging your own grave here.

i've been a reiki practitioner for a quarter of a century

i don't think i've given anybody cancer......

http://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php

when you are The Creator manifest, it's like this

http://www.lawofone.info/favorite-quotes.php

oh, have a read of the first few pages to figure out how "Ra" came to be

http://www.lawofone.info/

one way cops kill people is to bad jacket them......

mark them as snitches so their our people put them down.

this was a big thing in the 1960's......

see the cointerpol program.

You dismissed my argument and the only reason you gave what that you thought I was 16. It's crappy, impolite logic no matter what you call it.

And down voting my comment won't make you any less wrong. Just so you know.

Then why are you suggesting I take LSD and why are you assuming I'll cringe at these statements after I take it? Seriously, what the hell man?

Dude, look how many comments down we are, and how old this thread is. Nobody in their right mind would read this far down without being either of us.

LOL by "your reasoning' nuff said

You claim to not use reasoning, so I don't see how this changes anything.

how is seeing you as a lonely guy an 'attack'?

Because you keep assuming things about me that aren't true, especially since you appear to place negative connotations on those labels. Need I remind you that you kept calling me a 16 year old girl?