1. Some people have an agenda

2. Other people are very gullible due to lack of trust in anyone of authority these days.

3. Fantasy is more desirable then reality these days.

"...But but but, we're winning!" Just kidding. Those posts always shoot to the top also. Just add some ponies, rainbows and hugs.

Well that about sums it up.

To the contrary, I believe those who trust what their government agencies tell them to believe instead of their own observations are the ones who are gullible.

Some people are beginning to see things others won't or don't or can't comprehend.

Be that the world is on a plate in a glass jar or devils in tailored suits. Some people are not eating the lotus anymore.

Alright so in theory if you went to the furthest point west as possible and made a machine that could drill straight through... you'd end up in space correct? Assuming the world is flat...

there are a few different theories they subscribe to. Imagine the world is in a huge snow globe, with Antarctica around the border. If you see the UN flag, that is the earth they envision.

Some people see ships going out to the horizon and not fading out like they should and use that as proof. They don't take light rays bending into consideration when they look at this evidence.

I think some famous people or sports stars have been talking about flat earth and it is gaining traction with those that listen to those deep thinkers. I guess it is partly good because it is getting people to question facts they are taught as unquestionable.

Well this is interesting

If you find it interesting, do a search on youtube. What I find interesting is how some people have put amazing amounts of time and effort making their case - even putting gopro cameras on weather balloons or designing amazing informational videos.

In summary, they really feel the earth is flat. Some of them feel that this is a religious thing as the bible says certain things about 'firmament' and infers a dome above us. Some use the moon landing being fake as proof. Some feel the earth is hollow and giants live in there.

It really is an interesting group. I do recommend checking out YT though.

I will, some nice people here have even shared some links =) looks like Ima grab some coffee and watch some youtube.

when you watch them, you will see how some people will buy into it. Not saying they are dumb.

Hey anything is possible. I am a firm believer that the media and government are always covering up something.

Honestly? I don't know and neither does anyone else.

Here's a question though. All circumnavigations of the 'globe' have been east to west and vice versa. Why has no-one ever gone north to south? or vice versa.
'Oh there is ice in the way, the ships couldn't pass!' But now we have the tech and equipment to survive on the ice, we have planes that could fly right over it! So why hasn't it ever happened?

You know that's a really good point, I'd like to know this as well, or why they've made it so hard to send an expidetion to Antarctica.

I personally think they're hiding something at the poles. Entrances to hollow earth? Maybe. Portals? I dunno, I haven't actually looked into that one. But I don't think Antarctica is a wall on the edge of earth as I think the flat earth theory suggests.

Why has no-one ever gone north to south?

like this? http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE215

Wait, these same people want to go back to pre-Gospel scientific understanding? Science breaks the programming, it doesn't reinforce it.

Mostly they want understanding. And they are willing to disregard everything they've ever been told to get there. They are wonderful people in that regard. Standing in front of people who would ridicule them and saying, 'Look and See'.

'Free your mind, and the rest will follow' as the song goes.

It's a psy op, a limited hangout.

Because nearly half of the people on this planet have below average intelligence.

If half the people on this planet have below average intelligence then the average intelligence would be a lot lower?

think about what you just said.

people can only be one of 3 things. below average. average. above average. Average would be the middle. There should be about the same number of below average as above average.

Currently, IQ tests are rated so that average intelligence is 100. There are many in the population that are between 95-105.

I understand - it seems I may just be one of them 😂

lol, no I doubt it. I figured it was a typo or similar. No worries, friend.

Lol I wouldn't be that harsh... even though it's true. I just feel that people are very gullible.

Only half? You are giving humanity far too much credit.

First of all, everybody who believes in the Flat Earth Theory reacted the same way when they heard of it: "This is fucking bullshit! These people are either stupid and ignorant, or they want attention, or both!!" But, being curious, we all take a "peep" at one the videos so that we can scream at the top of our lungs at the shithead who made the video. That is, until we realize that questions are being presented by the Flat Earthers that cannot be answered with sound proof.

All of this stuff should be cleared up with 8th grade science, but it isn't. And, it isn't a couple of dozens of issues the Flat Earthers present; it's literally hundreds of them. When I first heard of Flat Earth I was angry, then I was shocked, then I became numb to the whole thing.

I might add, I think the fact we were lied to about the Moon landing bullshit may be the reason that many Flat Earthers looked at the Flat Earth Theory in the first place. People are sick of lies. Open minded people will look at everything at least once. The only problem with the Flat Earth Theory is that once you "look" there is no going back.

Well I'm very open minded, see the reason I asked is because I want to know their reasoning behind it. From what I've gathered they say that satellite images of earth are altered, there's no "curve" to the horizon etc. My question is, if someone made a very powerful telescope wouldn't we be able to see the edge of the earth if it was flat?

From what I've gathered they say that satellite images of earth are altered

Correct. NASA even admits this but they say the images "have to be photoshopped"

there's no "curve" to the horizon etc.

Also correct the horizon (horizontal) does not show any curvature and rises to eye level no matter how high you go (not possible on a sphere).

if someone made a very powerful telescope wouldn't we be able to see the edge of the earth if it was flat?

No. A telescope (no matter how powerful) will blur out do to the atmosphere, clouds, dust, smog, etc. Even if there wasn't an atmosphere to blur it out you are making an assumption that there even is an edge. Can you take a telescope and see the edge of outer space?

Interesting... you know it's got me thinking, why hasn't anyone ever flown to the edge of the world then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaskijW7x9I

Adding to my watch list, thanks =)

http://i.imgur.com/sHg5bKl.png If the earth was flat then this flight path would be impossible to travel in the 14 hour flight time.

I have reading the debates on this issue and is overwhelming. I need to book the flight and make sure it is during the daylight hours.

You should research into Admiral Richard Byrd (probably the most famous U.S. explorer) He led expeditions to the Arctics back in the 1930's-1940's. He stated in an interview that there is unexplored land full of natural resources larger in size than the United States. If there is edge, dome, or something else you would need to explore Antarctica (the icewall surrounding us) to find it. Unfortunatly in the 1950's every country somehow signed the Antarctic treaty and nobody is allowed to independently explore there. You can pay and go to a predetermined photo op area but you can not freely explore on your own. Here is what happens if you try to independently explore the Arctics.

Hey that's the guy they were talking about in the video I saw yesterday! It is pretty crazy (not in the literal sense) He also said he found UFO's there, If there really isn't anything there they wouldn't have signed a treaty.... hmm.

He also said he found UFO's there

There are a lot of claims as to what he has seen on his expeditions. A supposed diary of his that has some pretty fantastic stories. Some of it may not be true but the point is he did extensively explore the arctics and he did admit on a television interview that there was a huge amount of unexplored and uncharted land (full of natural resources) in the arctics. He said there is no doubt that we would be exploring it for years to come. In 1957 though (the year of Byrds death) the Antarctic treaty was signed and miraculously all countries agreed to not go to Antarctica...Hmm, sound legit.

Yeah, there's something there that they don't want the public to know.

edge of the world is a common question .. there is a simple answer. it's freaking cold in Antarctica. planes can't fly directly over it due to crazy fast winds. Cold is pretty much the hardest thing to deal with on earth.

Yeah but I mean couldn't they build a drone?

no the air is too thin for planes, and the wind too strong. A flying vehicle would get thrown around in the air and break apart or crash. and a drone on land hasn't been tried for a long distance journey.

Hmm that's a shame =/ would be cool to see what's there.

Correct. NASA even admits this but they say the images "have to be photoshopped"

This mean they touch the images up. It does not mean they are generated form nothing, they are real pictures of reality.

It does not mean they are generated form nothing, they are real pictures of reality.

Thank you for your opinion but they are CGI and it is admitted so. It's 2017 and NASA has been caught in an uncountable amount of lies. The only people that still trust them either have an agenda, have never examined NASA's claims, or are such fanboys that they refuse to even question NASA's credibility.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. They are not CGI created from scratch.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

How is it fact when we are just taking someones word for it?

They are not CGI created from scratch and you clearly have zero understanding of how these pictures are actually taken.

I am very aware that they say the images are "stitched together from raw data" the say "they are photoshopped but they have to be". You are just taking the word of known liars that they really "stitched together raw data". So you are relying on faith in a corrupt organization for your "facts".

Like I just said, you have no understanding on how this type of photography works and this response makes it clear.

If you don't trust NASA then look up the Himawari 8 satellite, it's Japanese and takes full photos of the Earth every 10 minutes.

JAXA works with NASA first of all and they are no more trustworthy. Do you think that this is an actual picture of a JAXA satellite? Lol. There are supposedly thousands of satellites in space, but 99% of the images are look like cartoons and there are no real pictures of them orbiting (or "geosynced") in space. Also the Himawari 8 satellite images of earth look ridiculously fake as well, the cloud movements are a big giveaway.

I'm sorry but there is far too much information now available to still have 100% faith in the space agencies, they are frauds.

Sigh. Of course all pictures like that of satellites are 3D renders, they're just there to show what the model looks like. They never claim to be an actual picture of the satellite. You think they design all satellites to have a selfie stick just to take a picture like that?

You can see many of these satellites using home telescopes by the way.

If you think Himawari 8 images look fake, then I don't know what to tell you. You think a team of people works around the clock drawing clouds? No two images are the same.

The 24/7 ISS live streams are fake? Is the ISS fake?

How about this; what would prove to you that the Earth is round? Flat Earthers believe in so many levels of conspiracy to get the the point of believing FE. What's the null hypothesis?

Sigh. Of course all pictures like that of satellites are 3D renders, they're just there to show what the model looks like.

Sigh.. Why are there 0 pictures of real satellites in space or even real pictures of them before they get launched? There is supposedly thousands up there.

You can see many of these satellites using home telescopes by the way.

Satellites Do Not Exist As Described That is from someone that has tracked "satellites" for a long time. Have you ever tracked satellites (the size of a bus from 200 miles away)?

You think a team of people works around the clock drawing clouds? No two images are the same.

Do you think that would be hard to do on a $50 million a day budget? The movie Gravity had a $100 million budget for the entire film. If NASA told you that this was an actual picture from space you would believe it and tell me I was crazy for saying it's fake. Also why are there no stars or other satellites in the images from the Himawari 8?

Is the ISS fake?

Absolutely. They have been busted so many times with green screen fails and as well as harness and wire fails that it's not even funny.

Flat Earthers believe in so many levels of conspiracy to get the the point of believing FE.

Ball Earthers must have 100% faith in NASA/Space agencies to get the point of believing Ball Earth. If you do your own research/experimentation you come to realize that there is no observable curvature and there is no detectable motion of the Earth.

I'm curious do you trust all government agencies or is it just the space sector that you have trust in?

Why are there 0 pictures of real satellites in space

Because they don't attach selfie sticks to satellites to take a single image of itself and send back home, it's a waste.

or even real pictures of them before they get launched?

Loads here. If you want pictures of them strapped to rockets before launch then these don't exist, they're put inside a case that breaks off once the rocket is out of the atmosphere (to protect the satellite).

Have you ever tracked satellites (the size of a bus from 200 miles away)?

With my shitty telescope I have observed the ISS fly past the moon, yes. You can also see it pass by at night with the naked eye, looks like a fast moving star. I haven't tried with smaller satellites.

Do you think that would be hard to do on a $50 million a day budget? The movie Gravity had a $100 million budget for the entire film.

You could make the argument that they have written software that simulates the Himawari 8 and generates images every 10 minutes. If you chose to believe those images aren't legit then I can't make an argument that will convince you.

Also why are there no stars or other satellites in the images from the Himawari 8?

I can't answer the other satellite question. But the star question; it's the way cameras work. You need a long exposure to let in enough light to be captured. When it's dark out, go take a photo of the sky with your phone, you'll notice that it doesn't pick up the stars.

"Any picture that you may see of stars are from time-lapse photos. To take a time-lapse photo of the stars, the shutter must be left open on the camera in order for the lens to focus enough light on the film for the image to show up. Longer times allow more photons to enter the camera and record the image. The image is built over time from the total number of photons striking the film. The dimmer the object, the longer the film must be exposed because there are fewer photons per unit of time reaching the camera than for a brighter object."

Absolutely. They have been busted so many times with green screen fails and as well as harness and wire fails that it's not even funny.

I've seen the videos that you got these ideas from. The green screen glitches can be explained by video compression/bitrate failures. If a video stream doesn't have a high enough bitrate to fill the data being processed (or if it loses data), then it will attempt to fill the area and it looks glitchy. It doesn't help that the video is being streamed from 250 miles away. A quick video with more info on this.

As for the harnesses, I couldn't really see anything convincing in the numerous videos I watched on this in the past, just folds in clothing. It's possible they have faked some interviews, I don't take everything they release as gospel. If you have specific convincing videos on the greenscreen/harness topic then feel free to link them.

So the argument I've heard, correct me if you have/heard of another theory; is that the ISS is actually one of those "zero gravity planes" decorated inside to look legit. This theory quickly falls apart (as does the harness/greenscreen theory) when you watch tours of the ISS. First video, Second video. These videos are long (the zero g planes cannot simulate it for that long), they show how massive the ISS is, there's lots of turns/corridors that are impossible for an aeroplane, and they have no harnesses.

Ball Earthers must have 100% faith in NASA/Space agencies to get the point of believing Ball Earth. If you do your own research/experimentation you come to realize that there is no observable curvature and there is no detectable motion of the Earth.

I don't trust everything NASA does, I don't trust anything at face value. I've gone deep in the Flat Earth realm because it's fascinating. Before that I was a space geek and because of my knowledge of the universe, physics, telescopes, and things I have observed independently in my home/garden (looking at planets, the moon, the ISS through my telescope); ultimately I know the Earth is round.

I'm curious do you trust all government agencies or is it just the space sector that you have trust in?

This is r/conspiracy, I have no trust in any government, agency, company or ruling body.

The problem with the Flat Earth conspiracy is you have to throw out generations of science, you have to believe millions of people are in on it, you have to be so paranoid to think that you live in the truman show, that we're surrounded by an ice wall in a petri dish with vast resources the other side of the wall being controlled by elites.

We thought the earth was round over 2 thousand years ago, surely someone would have spilled the beans by now if it was all a lie?

Because they don't attach selfie sticks to satellites to take a single image of itself and send back home, it's a waste.

From the ISS or from another satellite

If you want pictures of them strapped to rockets before launch then these don't exist, they're put inside a case that breaks off once the rocket is out of the atmosphere (to protect the satellite).

There would be tons of videos of the the satellites being launched into space. They would have eyes on a multi million dollar device to study the footage if something went wrong or just went correctly, it's retarded not think so.

With my shitty telescope I have observed the ISS fly past the moon, yes.

If you are even telling the truth how would you possibly know it is the ISS? The ISS tracker has been shown to be BS and even if by some chance you did see something in the sky that is 0 proof that it has humans in it.

You can also see it pass by at night with the naked eye, looks like a fast moving star.

BS. You are not seeing something the size of a jumbo jet from 250 miles away with your naked eye, are you serious?

If you chose to believe those images aren't legit then I can't make an argument that will convince you.

Like I said, I could make the same argument using scenes from the movie Gravity.

I can't answer the other satellite question.

Right because they would be in the shot. This is the amount of satellites they say are surrounding Earth, lol. No pictures of them though.

But the star question; it's the way cameras work. You need a long exposure to let in enough light to be captured.

So where are the long exposure shots? Surely there would be pictures in space where they try to photograph all of the stars. It would be too difficult to fake all of the star locations so that is why they don't do it.

I've seen the videos that you got these ideas from. The green screen glitches can be explained by video compression/bitrate failures.

I don't think you've seen the ones that I'm talking about. I'll send you some later if you want me to.

As for the harnesses, I couldn't really see anything convincing in the numerous videos I watched on this in the past, just folds in clothing. It's possible they have faked some interviews, I don't take everything they release as gospel. If you have specific convincing videos on the greenscreen/harness topic then feel free to link them.

There are plenty of obvious examples. Here is one where one of the guys obviously pulled on an invisible wire that has been edited out. Ironically the interviewer asked if they were really on earth and and just faking it (which made the AstroNot do his little trick).

It doesn't help that the video is being streamed from 250 miles away.

That's another piece of evidence. Most of the time they put in the fake delay to make it seem like there is a long distance for the communication to travel. Problem is Chris Hadfield did a live music collaboration and it was perfectly synced. That would not be possible with the delay, they screwed up on that or just didn't care because they knew everyone would just eat it up.

So the argument I've heard, correct me if you have/heard of another theory; is that the ISS is actually one of those "zero gravity planes" decorated inside to look legit.

It is possible that some scenes are cut together using zero gravity planes but I don't claim that all of it is. I don't think that you understand would is possible with Hollywood technology, green screens, and a $50 million a day budget. Look at the making of the movie gravity. Even the show Big bang theory and I'm sure they tried 1% compared to what NASA would be capable of.

This is r/conspiracy, I have no trust in any government, agency, company or ruling body.

Exactly, that is what blows me away about people that still have so much trust in NASA, a NAZI/government creation. It's well known to anyone that has researched it they have lied many times in the past should not be trusted at all.

The problem with the Flat Earth conspiracy is you have to throw out generations of science

Theoretical math not natural science.

you have to believe millions of people are in on it

No you don't. 99% of scientist have never even contemplated round vs flat earth since the theoretical math works out.

you have to be so paranoid to think that you live in the truman show

It may or may not be like the truman show. That is just an assumption.

that we're surrounded by an ice wall in a petri dish with vast resources the other side of the wall being controlled by elites.

The current mainstream theory is that we are a speck in the vastness of nothingness and came from nothing, created by nothing. That seems way more far fetched to me than we are the center of everything and the "elites" are trying to hide that fact.

We thought the earth was round over 2 thousand years ago

No we didn't. Pythagoras came up with the globe idea as a thought experiment. Copernicus even admitted it was though experiment and likely not reality. Erastothenes had to assume the sun to be millions of miles away for his famous experiment to "prove" a globe, otherwise you would get the same results on a flat earth (if the sun were smaller and closer as it has been shown and measured to be).

surely someone would have spilled the beans by now if it was all a lie?

They have. In the 1800's there were several scientific books written that rejected the globe earth model and scientifically proved it was impossible. Now in 2017 the beans are completely spilled and thousands upon thousands of people now know it, with the numbers increasing everyday.

From the ISS or from another satellite

Satellites are relatively tiny and separated by thousands of miles. Exactly how do you expect pictures to be taken of small targets from that far away when they are each moving at thousands of miles an hour? The extent of your demands and your ignorance continues to astound everyone...

From the ISS or from another satellite

Probably pretty hard to take a picture of another satellite because they all move at different speeds/orbits. But I'll give you this point, I don't have an answer.

There would be tons of videos of the the satellites being launched into space.

There is a lot of them online actually, but you'll just claim they're fake/cgi anyway.

If you are even telling the truth how would you possibly know it is the ISS? The ISS tracker has been shown to be BS and even if by some chance you did see something in the sky that is 0 proof that it has humans in it. BS. You are not seeing something the size of a jumbo jet from 250 miles away with your naked eye, are you serious?

I used the ISS tracker before, but at times have just seen it randomly while outside. It moves faster than a plane and is bright. You can see it with the naked eye because it reflects light, that's why it looks like a bright star. It's larger than a jumbo jet btw.

So where are the long exposure shots? Surely there would be pictures in space where they try to photograph all of the stars. It would be too difficult to fake all of the star locations so that is why they don't do it.

That's what satellites like the Hubble are for. You realise 99% of satellites are for weather pattern tracking and telecommunications? Very few are sent up to take long exposure shots of stars. You think the Hubble photos are fake too? Even though some of the galaxies pictured have also been photographed by amateur photographers on Earth (albeit with much worse quality).

There are plenty of obvious examples. Here is one where one of the guys obviously pulled on an invisible wire that has been edited out. Ironically the interviewer asked if they were really on earth and and just faking it (which made the AstroNot do his little trick).

I've seen this video before, and I'll admit it looks a bit sketchy. But when you look at the actual ISS tours then you can't rely deny its existence or the fact that there are humans up there. Flat Earthers have no legitimate response to the ISS tour videos.

I don't think that you understand would is possible with Hollywood technology, green screens, and a $50 million a day budget. Look at the making of the movie gravity. Even the show Big bang theory and I'm sure they tried 1% compared to what NASA would be capable of.

Having worked with this technology and having a deep understanding of motion graphics, film making and CGI; it's VERY easy for me to tell what is computer generated, even to the point of not enjoying fiction because I analyse the techniques instead of enjoying the story. FF Kingsglave is the example I point to of our current best Hollywood CGI techniques, and it's still obvious.

Not to mention the years it would take to create a 50 minute CGI ISS tour video. You cannot just throw out anything as fake/CGI when it doesn't align with the FE narrative.

Most of the time they put in the fake delay to make it seem like there is a long distance for the communication to travel. Problem is Chris Hadfield did a live music collaboration and it was perfectly synced. That would not be possible with the delay, they screwed up on that or just didn't care because they knew everyone would just eat it up.

I haven't seen this before, but yeah the delay would make this impossible. Probably pre recorded, pretty cheeky of them to attempt that. I'll ask someone more knowledgeable for a proper explanation and get back to you.

Theoretical math not natural science. No you don't. 99% of scientist have never even contemplated round vs flat earth since the theoretical math works out.

They may not think about the FE vs GE conspiracy directly when working, but all the current models work on a GE model. You can even test some things yourself; go to a beach and watch the sunset sitting or laying down, as soon as the sun disappears stand up or run to a hill, you will see the sun peaking again. You cannot zoom a telescope and see the sun again like FEarthers claim with the ships, that's a myth that you can debunk yourself. Please do so.

You can see further by going higher, telescopes on a flat plane do not debunk this.

There's a lot of convenient theories to throw away things like eclipses, star constellations being different around the world etc, so I can't use them against you.

Lots of this can be debunked yourself without having any scientific background. I've seen FEarthers claim the Sun in 3 miles away, if that was the case then amateur pilots could just fly right in to it. Even if we consider that he means it's always visually 3 miles away then those same amateur pilots could just fly towards it and never see it fall below the horizon. Point of convergence/rule of perspective is bullshit.

The current mainstream theory is that we are a speck in the vastness of nothingness and came from nothing, created by nothing. That seems way more far fetched to me than we are the center of everything and the "elites" are trying to hide that fact.

Yeah we don't know how it all started, we probably won't even know, all we have is theories. If the Earth was flat and being controlled by elites, then the power would need to be handed down each generation to new rulers around the world. The elites are puppets, but they still have real wars and hatred for one another at times, this isn't something that stays a secret. It definitely doesn't get uncovered by YouTube video creators with no scientific background.

Even if we say the Earth is flat, what purpose does it serve to keep it secret? The only thing I've heard from FEarthers is that "it's easier to control people on a globe" but that makes zero sense.

No we didn't. Pythagoras came up with the globe idea as a thought experiment. Copernicus even admitted it was though experiment and likely not reality. Erastothenes had to assume the sun to be millions of miles away for his famous experiment to "prove" a globe, otherwise you would get the same results on a flat earth (if the sun were smaller and closer as it has been shown and measured to be).

The Egyptians, Mayans and other ancient civilisations planned their buildings around star constellations. They also did things like record the shadows of sticks at different times of the day and compare them with cities 100's of miles away. A globe earth was still a theory for thousands of years because of the belief in god and us being the centre of everything, but there was still experiments that disprove the FE.

Okay. Watch this video. It is 16 minutes long, and it discusses "point of perception". It will answer your question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpVKkC0gz8E

Thank you =)

You're welcome!

It's a free world and you can believe whatever you want and have your own opinion of course.

I'm pretty sure the sun isn't a few miles away. FE sounds cool and is intriguing...but I'd say it's impossible to be true.

Do you know how many people who all can't be part of this theory have access to equipment that would discover this?

I can tell planets are spheres through my $300 telescope. The chances are pretty high that earth would form the same as other planets.

The sun isn't close. Think about how hot it is. If you are flying and getting closer to this close sun..you would burn up in a second.

The chances are pretty high that earth would form the same as other planets.

You make good assumptions; you really do. But, then again, they are only assumptions.

Utter bullshit.

Here is a simple example of why this guy is a moron.

He uses this image as an example of convergence.

In this image he's saying that the green line represents a parallel row of flowers 100 miles to the right of the observer, converging to a single point in front of the observer.

But there are several problems

If his theory is correct, why are the trees that are obviously beyond this "horizon" not converged to a single point? Why are the buildings not "converged" to that same point?

Here is a simplified diagram of what he's claiming happens

At the top are parallel rows of flowers 100 miles across. At the bottom is a crudely drawn example of the perspective convergence he's talking about. Notice how the point of convergence represents a distance of 100 miles compressed into a single spot?

But that's not what happens, is it? The trees and the buildings in the distance are not hundreds or thousands of miles across, are they? Yet, according to him, they must span hundreds of miles to appear to be the size they are in that image.

Lmao I know his flower example was so stupid.

Man, this was such a waste of my time. You got me invested and then this guy didn't even have an interesting hypothesis. He's just dumb.

This guy doesn't understand basic perspective. Parallel lines converge into the distance. You learned that in school in like 3rd grade. So the fact that lines converge towards the sun shows that the sun is either located where those lines cross (eg infinity) or at least far enough away that lines look like they converge to the naked eye. Dude in the video says that's 3 miles so whatever. The sun is further away than 3 miles and closer than infinity. Astounding.

Then he goes on to make the same mistake with the crepuscular lines. We already know that parallel lines converge so those lines coming from the clouds might very well be parallel and they would still look like that. This is basic perspective and shouldn't be confusing. It especially shouldn't be confusing to someone who spends hours of their time researching it.

He's also wrong about the basic geometry in the flower patch. A point a hundred miles to your right and three miles out would not look like it was straight in front of you. It would be 88.29 degrees to your right. You just have to take the arctangent of the horizontal distance divided by the forward distance to get these numbers. It's not like perspective is some mysterious phenomenon we don't understand. You can calculate it with ease. So when he's saying the sun is only 3 miles away he's going to have to work really hard to explain why people 500 miles north or south of me don't see the sun at 1.71 degrees above the horizon. In fact, you know what? I'm going to call up my friend halfway across the country and ask him if the sun on the horizon where he lives. Hang on a second.

Well that was enlightening. He thought I was a moron. It's noon where he lives and the sun was high in the sky just like I knew it would be. With telephones and a working knowledge of geometry there is no excuse for believing this crap.

This is my biggest problem with FE theory. The math they use is just wrong. Curvature of an object is not as simple as a simple algebra equation. There is Trig involved, complicated stuff that 8 inches squared per mile is so far off from it's insane.

Yeah that's probably the biggest issue.

And also the fact that many of them (not all) believe that water doesnt flow off the end of the flat earth because it is blocked in by a giant wall...and that's why we can't go to Antartica. They base that on nothing.

Flat earth is cool and interested. But it really has no credibility.

Thanks for writing that up. It's pretty easy to prove their math wrong.

The sun is 3 miles away.....lol

The reason I am not totally off the boat on the flat earth theory is mainly my fascination w/ Nikola Tesla and his theories with electricity and electromagnetism. Hell, magnets are some of the most back burner category of physics when "intellectuals" are discussing ways to advance the human race... Or destroy it. That in the so very limited live feed cams on the ISS or satellites we jet off into space... All that shitty 1980s rocket tech and not at least 50 nastolgic 90s style 32 KB streaming cam??? What are they hiding?

Why can't they just be trying to hide us not randomlt seeing an alien?

People are sick of lies.

So they join a cult that worships absurdity?

Lol all of it is cleared up with a fundamental understanding of phsyics and cnosmology/atatronomy. FE is literally 100% false.

And to think that there are people who actually believe that we didn't go to the Moon....

That is, until we realize that questions are being presented by the Flat Earthers that cannot be answered with sound proof.

Name one...

All of this stuff should be cleared up with 8th grade science, but it isn't.

Oh yes it is.

The only problem with the Flat Earth Theory is that once you "look" there is no going back.

Probably... once you decide that every bit of evidence against your theory is a lie perpetrated by a massive conspiracy of scientists, no amount of evidence is going to change your mind.

That doesn't make you right... it makes you stupid.

That doesn't make you right... it makes you stupid.

That reminds me of what I what I used to say about Flat Earthers until I actually studied their evidence.

lol what evidence?

lol what evidence?

That the Earth isn't spinning ball. As to whether it's a Flat Earth, or not, I'm still researching the subject.

Because there is great change on the horizon.

https://aplanetruth.info/50-reasons-to-doubt-the-earth-is-round/

The majority of people just don't take the time to proporly investigate claims made by FE'ers, this website has alot of in-depth information.

Not all of it is correct, I've "solved" some of the problems they have with the ball model; where they claim certain thing would be impossible on a round earth, I'dd argue it certainly is.

I currently believe either theory could be correct, though I think the hate FE gets on the internet, the amount of payed trolling, aswell as the general tendency people have to get extremely offensive towards FE'ers feels unnatural, like the conspiracy we're not supposed to discuss.

Hey thanks for the link =) yeah man I'm not making fun of them or anything I'm just really Intrested in seeing the facts they've come up with

Well, "fact" becomes arguable in this discussion. It's a known fact gravity exists, yet it doesn't on a FE. (There's no need for it) So for some people, making the assumption gravity isn't real is too much, because that's a "fact" they can't ignore.

In reality, there's plenty of material provided by FE'ers that explains how and why this could be possible.

The Sagnac Effect is a good example.

From the 1000's of hours I've invested into this, I've learned more about our globe-model, and history of science, than I ever thought possible.

I love the open mindedness here! Looks like I'll have to do some research!

Have fun brobeans. Feel free to let me know when you stumble upon good evidence to support either theory. (Flat or Round)

There's definitely some "flaws" on that website, though when the science gets this complicated, I can look past them.

There's an old saying, "You know the truth when you hear it."

I believe looking into it enough will eventually convince the most closed-minded person something is wrong with what we're being told about the place we live on.

Well yeah, I believe in aliens, granted I don't think they look like the stereotypical ones we see in the films and such.

Agreed. I believe in inter dimensional beings but like to refer to them as angels (personal preference). I think throughout history you can find many different representations of the same thing.

Yeah man

LARPers and genuine mental illness.

what are LARPers?

Live Action Role Players. For ease of description, think of /r/nosleep where everything is fiction but the sub stays in-character. People down voting me obviously, but it is what it is.

This is one of the best videos summarizing the flat earth.

https://youtu.be/7nFwPDZF_Z8

Enjoy the awakening brother. Won't be much longer now before the truth really gets exposed to the masses.

I'm watching all of these, I'm genuinely intrigued!

Wow a genuine truth seeker. You're on the right path brother. Question everything.

Yeah man, I don't think being closed minded will get us anywhere, I like to research something and then decide what I believe to be true.

How's the research going?

I can tell you that after watching a lot of videos and reading, the earth being flat might now be as crazy as I had first thought. I'm much more aware and skeptical about what the schools and media teach/show us

Awesome to hear that, seriously though, when you actually do your OWN research the truth really can't be more obvious. Humanity has become detached. We're awakening once again.

Will do brother!

Becuase they are not scientifically literate.

Right, nor trust that sailors, pilots, parachuters, train drivers and millions of others who use science daily have to accommodate for the curvature of the Earth...

Right, nor trust that sailors, pilots, parachuters, train drivers and millions of others who use science daily have to accommodate for the curvature of the Earth...

They don't. You know that don't you? Or, were you being sarcastic?

Mate, no one is doing calculations to account for the curvature of the earth in their daily job.

They witness it and yes, fly, jump and sail with the understanding of the curvature, as a visual measurement of distance.

Failure of the public school system?

Is the cause of people thinking they're currently spinning thousands of MPH through space.

wow I guess /r/conspiracy is full of uneducated dumbasses then, RIGHT?

I think "mislead" is a better way to put it. Regardless, I'm not trying to speak for everyone on this sub.

When it comes to FE, you are correct.

What are you thoughts on how weight changes with latitude, or a demonstration of the Eötvös Effect in aircraft?

Most flat earthers believe in density/buoyancy so, assuming that you believe that, how can it explain those observations? (As well as how it works in a vacuum chamber)

And last, can you provide me with an accurate map/model of the flat earth that isn't a projection of the globe?

Religion is a hell of a drug. It destroys brain functioning.

Yeah that's why I don't follow or practice any organized religion, I have my own beliefs.

I'm glad everyone here is having a very mature discussion about this as most times people bring up FE they just get shat on. It's a very interesting concept and it goes to show how much people have lost their faith in the powers that be.

When you see things like bubbles floating off astronauts in "authentic Nasa space footage" it really makes you question what is going on.

I've looked into flat earth and while I'm not saying I fully believe it there is definitely enough anomalies to get you thinking and asking questions.

I figure they're either covering the size and shape of the Earth or covering up aliens, either way we are being lied to and manipulated in some format.

Yeah, seems like this board has some maturity to it, I do think the government is covering up something.

They don't. Nobody thinks the earth is flat. It's a silly social exercise for a small number of damaged individuals, that's all.

nope

Because the solar system model has a lot of flaws, and the flat model better represents what we see in reality. Any country developed enough to have a space agency is developed enough to be under the control of a central bank, and they've all been caught faking space travel several times. Examples: even if you're near the terminator line, it's impossible to see the sun's inner valencees while facing away from the sun, I'm talking about seeing Mercury and Venus in the middle of the night; look at the stars and make note of where a constellation is in relation to something that doesn't move (your house for instance), then check back in precisely 24 hours: the stars will be in the same place, but nudged to the side one degree. Come back in another 24 hours and it's the same thing. It's because the stars are attached to a rotating dome (firmament) that makes a full rotation slightly faster than the sun, so in the time it took for the sun to do a lap, the stars were able to too, plus a little more. How does that make sense on Spaceship Earth? Check my comment history for more. How could they have me thinking I lived somewhere I don't my entire life Because they're rich, crazy and powerful and have been in control for 500+ years. Don't let ego hold you back. Why would they lie to me and my ancestors? To hide intelligent design (God), to hide your divine nature, to push global warming for global taxes, to have such a thing as fossil fuels (hide free energy), to laugh at you, etc. Research it a lot, even if you love outer space the way Christians love God.

Thanks for some helpful insight I will definitely be doing some of my own research

It's not lol

This is hilarious, I didn't realize these people actually existed! Wow, what a rabbit hole I've fallen through.

Lol, do some research tho man, it's not as insane as you may think.

I think that's the problem, the science these people ascribe to is wrong. Questioning your world around you is great, but it's been proven again and again, I'm just speechless.

I'm very open minded and I'm not one to believe everything books and media say. I like to do my own research, that being said I don't think the world is flat, but they have some good arguments and well since I Personally haven't been to space I can't say yes you're right or no you're wrong, so I just respect everybody's beliefs.

I think that is what happened in the USA with Trump though, beliefs are winning out over science and that is dangerous.

Everyone should be open minded but in the end there are very smart people out there that have proven the same facts again and again and you can do the research yourself, you don't need to go to space but you should come to the same conclusion.

I've never stumbled into /r/conspiracy before and maybe I shouldn't! hehe

Lol I get you man, I do believe in science of course, I'm not tied to any organized religion, I just live by my own beliefs and I do think that there are absolutes in this world.

Right, nor trust that sailors, pilots, parachuters, train drivers and millions of others who use science daily have to accommodate for the curvature of the Earth...