No drug dealers huh. So this magical POW card will get rid of Bayer, Merck, Pfizer, Astra-Zeneca, Wyeth, etc etc? Because that's all they are. "Legal" drug dealers

Well in your system, I think I'll be an opium farmer. Why? Because "I want to be a junky when I grow up" Everyone is welcome to my opium.... Until I run out. Then I'm killing every last one of the fuckers who took my crop. Mine Mine MINE! Then next harvest I'll have enough for me...

I imagined this kind of system too. I like it but I do find serious faults that need correcting.

As far as impacting big pharma, a POW system would eliminate BP's ability to squeeze consumers financially while selling dangerous products. Also the FDA couldn't charge competition-killing prices to do research studies for new or natural cures. If you're willing to work or participate in the study, you get to buy anything at the end of the day.

Patents might be an issue though... but by and large this system would SERIOUSLY put the power in the hands of the consumer. If people don't buy your crap - you don't get paid.

And now I see a problem: what if you put in a good faith effort to create a new product you think people would want? Do you deserve your POW for that effort though it resulted in failure?

I like it, and I want to iron out the problems.
Could be the future.

Won't happen, the people with all the power love their money and hate to work.

So Communism with everyone linked to a central database?

Lmao I choose quarterback of the New England Patriots.

What if Miguel can pick twice as many oranges as Jose but they are both illegal immigrants?

I think your idea would only work with minimum wage type jobs. I actually think it's a pretty good idea if it could be applied to only minimum wage jobs.

There's the whole problem of training. When you are running a business for profit you can't just take any worker off the streets and let them pick their hours and come and go when they please.

So yeah I'm all for developing a new class of low-training, "minimum wage" jobs (like the ones that prisoners do, or jobs that are currently volunteer jobs) that give you access to a rationed consumer system that would allow you to survive on Earth comfortably

I'm not all for a communist utopia that is completely unrealistic when you consider the massive variety of jobs and the vastly varying (often specialized or proprietary) knowledge that is needed to do them.

So I can pick my own job, but I can't pick what I spend on right? Cause that's what you're saying down below. You actually are saying you will create a literal "thought police" to control people's behavior.

You've either totally lost it. Or this is the worst trolling/psyop I've ever seen.

Your credibility is going to take a huge hit today..imo

So I can buy nose rings without you and your clique demonizing me?

So if I walk into Wal-Mart and say I'm buying everything in the store here's my pow card, I'm straight? Or will you place limits, then who controls the limits, what if the limits are inherently discriminatory?

Example... Let's say I have a salary job. I work way OVER 40 hours a week as required by my corporate overlords. With your PoW system, why should I get the same as somebody who only works 40. I do double the work. And the corporate overlords won't like getting the same as their slaves.

You see how quickly this degrades. Besides we have something similar already. It's called welfare. Its supposed to help people without means get jobs and become part of the "Proof of Work" class. Doing a great job.... eye roll

What you're talking about is not practical. All systems of government and monetary distribution are prefect in theory. But they fall flat on their face when humans put them into practice. Greed being the usual driver there.

Maybe PoW will work for ethereum, but I have my doubts on that, though.

Like I said, its fine on paper, but as soon as it gets implemented it'll go to shit. No disrespect to you out your idea, it's just how it'd end up in my opinion

Also greed isn't a symptom of money its a symptom of possessions. Of which, in our system, money is. And if you take away possession of things, I'm not sure how well that's go over.

Communism?

Yikes...

I thought of this last year or the year before - never knew there was a name for it - or did you just invent it?

Thing is though: what about building something new? A new business or researching a new product? R&D type stuff - who watches you to make sure you're putting in a real 8hrs pursuing your new idea?

Who watches ANYONE for that matter? I know customers could somehow validate your work in some instances... personal services for example - but what if you work 4hrs one day as a plumber - do you not get access to your POW purchasing power because you couldn't find enough customers to fill 8hrs? Were you back at office doing paperwork? Who watches you to make sure?

This is where I ran into problems and just left it. But the rationale is sound imo: if you work and contribute, you deserve as much as anyone else.

It's not communism in my mind because I don't see or want a top-down authority structure. There's no basis in collectivism.

It just sounds fair...but has some issues.

There's a name for it, it's called Marxism

They flaw in all of this is you neglect the human nature to game the system.

The only way this would work is either with programmable robots or by culling anyone slightly defiant over the course of MANY generations until all people are genetically servile... like we did with dogs.

I will game the system if given the chance (desperation or not). I am going to assume others will as well.

Perhaps I am just projecting, but if I look around at the world, I see the same pattern in every facet of civilisation. I am telling you, regardless of self image, that I WILL do this if given the opportunity. I am certain others will as well, and they may not be as honest about it.

Good idea but our kind are indoctrinated into comsuming none stop to fill a hole. Be it to be better than others or show their stature within the community. Until everyone agrees to walk the middle path, be thoughtful about our impact, not greedy and do our fair share. Ego and greed is a horrible combination

That's not a bad point to make. Your right thou, money needs to go, asap. Between us all we would only need to work around 10 hours each a week. Gives us plenty of time off to either train more for the job role or another job or spend time off appreachiating everything. I've been struggling for about 4 years now staying In a job for longer than 6 months at a time, as soon as I see the greed at the top and how their benefiting from me working my hands to the bone I lose loyality.

So you're already coming up with plans to police behavior....by appearances no less. You are exactly the type of person who will unwittingly help to create an enforced slavery on humankind.

You did...specifically about making people experience cognitive dissonance for their purchasing choices.

Taking a piss on the street. Probably has nothing to do with laws already in place for that, for very specific reasons.

Don't recall a law on not allowing nose rings or whatever.

What's your glorious leader's stance on gun purchases?

I like most of what you post man, but I am am going to have to respectfully and forcefully disagree on this idea. People don't generally work because they love to work, they are incentivized by the prospect of beating the Joneses (gross oversimplification for debate purposes). Not gonna say that is the way it should be, of if that is a healthy way to go about society, but until a whole bunch of cultural things change at the same time, that is the facts.

This is actually one of the worst communist-esque ideas I have seen. Sounds like the idea came from someone who was always able to swipe their trust fund card and consume whatever they want. It is completely divorced from what constitutes value.

This is a garbage idea

I lol'd so hard in agreement.

Definitely one of the worst ideas I've seen on Reddit in a long time.

Just create a post scarcity society where eventually the cost of goods = 0

If you would actually research /r/New_American_System thats the goal, we just have to remove debt/taxes first, once that happens, the cost of goods will eventually drop to 0 or a middle class family could pay for a vacation on the moon.

Communism and a massive centralization of power (whoever controls the POW card servers, controls the world). You're insane.

Well that's rash when there are plenty of sophisticated non-centralized programs. Why should this be controlled?

Yeah you could block chain it for decentralization I guess. Still not a big fan of the unlimited free stuff as long as you're working card, it would only encourage people to consume beyond their means and the system of production would either be crippled or you would be forced to make really crappy junk to keep up with demand.

Well hopefully the programmers would have the foresight to implement a penalty and rewards system to keep people from doing it because it isn't in their interest.

Everything can be calculated if we give it value.

Or a super AI that decides to black ball the human race from their resources for a small slow terminator-esque apocalypse.

And just who is going to get the government jobs that have control of this system?

This is the perfect vehicle to establish a caste/feudal society. Hard to believe you don't see that.

Didn't know you were a spokesperson for the NWO. Gonna have to take your posts with a serious grain of salt from now on.

You are blind to your own oppression. This what made communist dictators so dangerous.

You've contradicted yourself too many times already. You should just stop. You already admitted you would be willing to oppress people for buying fucking jewelry.

Bullshit...you specifically state that peer pressure would put an end to it. You already have an expected outcome. I'm willing to bet if you don't get your expected outcome you will escalate the level of oppression in order to achieve said outcome.

I'm going to point you in the direction of all those wonderful social norm policies that are now being made into laws on University campuses. Good luck.

Nah.

You mentioned people that are completely handicapped will get a pass and consume free. Does mental health count as a handicap? If somebody has an injury and they feel they cannot work, who decides whether or not they are able to consume? If you're bipolar and can't hold down a job - do you just wither away because you can't consume a thing or do you pray that others will give to you?

The --money-- system is completely broken. We can switch to --POW (proof of work) cards-- a system comprised of many smaller 'jurisdictions' which are in turn comprised of even smaller 'jurisdictions' all the way down to the individual, with the primary goal of individual liberty maintained through a bottom to top 'governance,' instead. (FTFY)

Wasnt that the whole point originally, in the grand scheme of the visionaries that formulated the governing principles (of the US) - What an individual does is unimportant until it encroaches upon anothers life/liberty/pursuit of happiness. Disputes between neighbors handled by towns, disputes between towns handled by counties, between counties handled by state, between states handled by fed - fed handles international issues via state representatives.

When power becomes consolidated at the top, very few need to be bribed, harassed, threatened, tortured, blackmailed, etc and it pretty much guarantees that everything will be controlled (often behind the curtain) by those with money, power, influence, and ruthless psychotics.

The pyramid needs to be flipped back over.

Can you imagine if there was more than 3 people in line to work at the position you wanted to work at? You'd be waiting for three people to finish 8 hour shifts, just so you could do yours. Then, what about the jobs that nobody wants to do? How do you get people to show for those?

What about the bad jobs like garbage, sewage, greasetraps, and sanitation?

I don't like this idea. I think a basic guaranteed income (I forget the exact term for that) would be much better. Give everyone enough to meet basic needs like rent, utilities, and food and give them health care. Some people wouldn't work but most would still work to earn money for nice and extra things, rather than struggling to meet their basic needs.

And those who don't work their allotted 40 hours that week?

arbeit macht frei

How will you find people to do dirty jobs like run cremation facilities, and clean sewers?

I'm afraid that everyone is going to spend their time counting moths, and nobody is going to do the more important work.

Forget about the selfish mode of life. It doesn't work. Think about a population converting too cooperation which will be easy after year 1 since people will realize that our work is truly paying off.

I'll give you advice. These systems are good when you have small groups of fiercely altruistic people. But you need a system that will discourage 'hangers on'. If you don't, your community will swell to about 500 people, then collapse, as people come for the free beer, until you have too many people meditating for their 'work cards', and too few people shoveling the shit that is being created.

I only have one anecdotal 'data point' for this one. I knew a person who was raised "on a commune" in rural Northern California, and various members in his family frequently lived in/out of that type of society. The quote that I remember is that it was tough to have enough people in the commune to pay for a doctor, while not attracting a bunch of people who wouldn't produce as much as they consumed.

You move 16 tons and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt.

That's not a bad point to make. Your right thou, money needs to go, asap. Between us all we would only need to work around 10 hours each a week. Gives us plenty of time off to either train more for the job role or another job or spend time off appreachiating everything. I've been struggling for about 4 years now staying In a job for longer than 6 months at a time, as soon as I see the greed at the top and how their benefiting from me working my hands to the bone I lose loyality.

So you're already coming up with plans to police behavior....by appearances no less. You are exactly the type of person who will unwittingly help to create an enforced slavery on humankind.

You did...specifically about making people experience cognitive dissonance for their purchasing choices.