r/conspiracy: For those claiming Bill Nye's new show is pure propaganda: Let's Discuss why you're potentially wrong, civilly of course. (others also welcome)

For those claiming Bill Nye's new show is pure propaganda: Let's Discuss why you're potentially wrong, civilly of course. (others also welcome)

0 2017-05-10 by KiddohAspire

FOREWORD

I want to start this off by saying this is only for people who have watched and not made assumptions based on the "Gender" episodes cringe level 10,000 song.

Now, full disclosure I am not fully through it at the time of writing this, there's 2 episodes left and I'm in the middle of one listening as I write now. I also believed it could be TERRIBLE based solely on that song, however like any reasonable dare I say, scientific, person I couldn't speak on it without watching and absorbing the material for consideration. Hence, this being for ONLY people who have watched.

So; omitting the song and any political bias, because that is where that song gets the most heat, we have a few "standout" episodes I believe are the entirety of the reasoning behind these claims of "propaganda"

Episode 4: "More Food, Less Hype"

First, we have the GMO episode. This is a touchy subject some believe and some don't in our and others communities of skeptics. In this episode, he discusses the basics of GMO knowledge. Or what the ideal GMO system is. He doesn't go into the deplorable actions of companies like Monsanto who are overtly controlling and even has a Monsanto employee on the show.

That aside, as omission is not necessarily support (this is important) and further research and such could be mind changing, he details what a GMO aims to do and what it is. A good parallel would be Communism AIMS to be populist in it's purist form everyone is supported and equal.

Episode 11: "Malarkey!"

The second episode in question would be "Malarkey!" where he explores pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, and confirmation bias. This episode; is great on the surface you will say "he's discrediting this to the masses and psyop blah blah" talk potentially forever. But a recurring theme in this episode is "skepticism" and THAT is the important bit both for the explanation AND the people watching at home. First, he uses the word skeptic and promotes skepticism which is GREAT. However it does appear as if the episodes gear it's skepticism towards more pseudosciences and how they are "malarkey" pretty fitting name I guess.

Then we have a piece by Karlie Kloss, a model and correspondent for the show. She explores the idea of "chemtrails" this is the big issue arguably with this episode. She visits the USAF and is educated on what a CONtrail is. Which is drastically different than a CHEMtrail. A contrail, like in the episode is exactly that a condensation trail and the science is spot on for why it is a thing. A chemtrail is different, and it is not only reasonable but mandatory to say this episode was likely shot before we had the 100% confirmation of "weather control" chemtrails. After her segment, or rather as it is wrapping up she says "I didn't even know about these conspiracy theories"

This is a BOMBSHELL not because any reason of negativity but with the overtone of SKEPTICISM it's very possible she looked into them further and may continue to do so, and maybe others will also do so.

Important Things To Know

Now, why is omission and skepticism both so important? Skepticism is the basis of science and fact, by being skeptical you can find fact even if you're questioning "facts" example "Flat earth" in the olden days was questioned and what do you know the earth is a globe. But it was "fact" it was flat.

Omission, is important because these are 30 minute episodes hardly enough for any reasonable crash course through this medium. Let alone omission via ignorance. Karlie Kloss showed that through ignorance she had no knowledge of conspiracy theories. So her eyes have be opened at the very least she may now be more aware and see these things maybe give them some weight think of it like your eyes dilating as you wake up; you can't see super well but you can kind of see.

So, through omission quite possibly solely through ignorance we get an episode that dismisses "chemtrails" filmed prior to proof at least 1 form is being used and lobbied for that has a heavy overtone of SKEPTICISM which is what has created all of this. The episode hardly touches anything else unless you put weight into astrology or healing crystals..

In defense every single one of us have at one point have been blatantly dismissive of anything resembling a conspiracy theory. Many people here I bet were green when 9/11 happened and got caught up in the calls to war for Osama's head. While others who awakened long before then as older generations saw right through it. But minds were changed with further, say it with me now, INVESTIGATION AND KNOWLEDGE! Which is.....SCIENCE!

So, like many have said regarding PG; put it in clear concise form with the hardest facts possible so the pill goes down easiest. This likely has not happened for Bill on any of these, what's worse is he is SUPPOSED to be a man of science so very compelling conjecture could be alright to slip in there with decent links but circumstantial ones at that. Why? Because that's what science craves.

No one can say any conspiracy community is "Tidy" we're like frantic honey badgers thriving in organized chaos. Which makes it very difficult for outsiders to grasp.

Rules of Conversation

So, I pose the question with just 1 hour of the show left to watch; People who believe Bill Nye's new show is propaganda what is your argument?

Here's an immediate list of dismissal:

Anything saying Global Warming isn't happening
Anything regurgitating Fox News talking points like "gender is blah blah blah" or "Renewable energy is impossible we need coal because muh jerbz" etc Conservatives are more often than not opponents to anything Bill Nye says and suffer from confirmation bias. That has no place for discussion
Any obvious attacks against me like "oh what a shill kek LOL"
Anyone who hasn't watched any of it but the god awful gender song

Epilogue/Outro/Humble Request

I know it's not right to ask for upvotes, however I can ask you do not downvote based solely on dismissal or disagreement as per reddiquette.

Rather allow the topic to flow and be seen by as many people as possible creating a civil discussion.

44 comments

n/a Mrgonefor20years 2017-05-10

97% of all scientists believe he's shiite. The science is undeniable.