Hillary Clinton spoke about Rich on Tuesday morning, amid remarks in New Hamphire on gun violence.
"Just this past Sunday, a young man, Seth Rich -- who worked for the Democratic National Committee, to expand voting rights -- was shot and killed in his neighborhood in Washington. He was just 27 years old," she said. "Surely we can agree that weapons of war have no place on the streets of America.
If I was the DNC trying to cover up the death, 100% silence would've been suspicious, so they had their evil queen mention it one single time so that folks like you can point to that instance in the future and say see!!!
I would love to be corrected if more instances are found, but the notion that this was the only time his death was mentioned is actually far more suspicious to me than any other scenario.
maybe, either way it would be bad. say he was murdered by agents of corruption, why bring more and more attention to it? say he wasn't; it would look gross and exploitative.
She was already commonly viewed as manipulative and opportunistic. Politicizing his death would have been an easy move, but it would have continued to feed every negative stereotype she had.
Here's my problem with the "She had him off'd" narrative:
Why leave evidence that would point back to them and aid investigators, unless some other party had Rich Shot and have no interest other than muddying the waters and introducing doubt? Maybe someone in the DNC did it, but not for the reasons espoused, ( like a personal vendetta ) or it was another party altogether.
It's increasing hard to imagine the Clinton foundation employing amateurs when they are already under the microscope especially considering their wealth and reach, while I imagine the DNC would have the Clinton foundation's resources at their disposal and would likely leave them to choose who to employ.
Honestly, it's more likely that if either group is guilty, the decision was taken and executed by a compartmentalized group within the organization that might have the implicit support of whoever is in charge ( they would be an invisible part of that organization ) but operates outside their purview to contain the possible collateral damage and fallout.
That's how a group like that would operate within any of the letter agencies and those agencies would be the most likely sources of those groups personnel.
And if that is the case, any investigation would see these people charged with the crime, as Hillary or whoever would have plausible deniability. Whoever is in charge might not even know Themselves if it was someone within their organization as they would never be part of the decision process or even have personally met the people involved. They might not even be aware the threat assessment group (TAG) exists within their organization, it's not like they'll be at the company picnic.
Does that make them better or worse, in your opinion? Like, is politicizing someone's death is a bad thing, right? The optics of it aren't good and the family probably doesn't want their son to be the poster-boy for political arguments.
I mean, when the right is using his death as a smear campaign, I can't imagine it being in her interest to continue using him to push for tighter gun laws.
Nope, but put yourself in her position. Even if she didn't do it, would you continue to use Seth Rich to push gun control when the right is swirling rumors that you're the one that offed him?
If I find some time, I'll try and dig around using search tools to verify, but I understand the burden of proof's on me whether she did or not after the leaks, so fair point until then.
I'm thinking she and team believed the leak plugged so they didn't have to shy away from it. As soon as wikileaks publishes and people start to wonder if there was a connection we stopped hearing about Seth's murder outside the circles that believed him to be the leak source.
Mentioned doesn't equal poster boy. Why won't she match the reward to find the killer? Does she not want to find the killer? She has millions of dollars.
So if I let the police do their work to find a friend's killer, I'm at fault? I should put up a reward for the killer or else I'm fine with letting them remain on the streets to kill again?
Anyone who doesn't put up a reward is fine with murder? Brilliant logic. He was one of tens of thousands who worked in the same party as her. Maybe if it was someone who worked directly with her you might expect a reward, but not for someone she had probably never met.
I don't support any politicians because I understand history. what i cant stand are people ignoring the murder of a young man because people who support the president also want to see justice for a democrat.
Something tells me that if this democrat couldn't be used to smear Clinton then people wouldn't give a shit. It's impossible for me to know this for sure as I can't magically understand the intent of everyone involved, but with all of the fucked up rhetoric pointed toward the Left by the talking heads on the Right... I'm fairly confident in my assessment. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised to hear 1 down, 30 million to go.
Clinton did mention it. The Rich family has been very consistent in their desire for peace and not being in the public eye. They could have requested he not be used for political purposes.
Because he was robbing him, and he disrespected him by running.
It's not that uncommon of a scenario. There's a lot of adrenaline and you have to consider armed robbers are a bit unstable to begin with.
It's not my theory. I'm saying just saying it's entirely plausible.
I saw an almost gang fight in a gas station this week... over one guy(non gangster) looking at the other guy's face for too long.... he had a tattooed face (indicating gang affiliation).
The police have all the facts, like a video I guess... I don't have much info and I'm just reminding you there's still a reasonable explanation other than leaker being assassinated.
WikiLeak's interest in the case makes it seem a lot like the latter... but that kind of senseless violence sure as fuck occurs in america all the time. I'm not fucking kidding you.
here: https://www.google.com/search?q=botched+robbery&tbm=nws
I agree with you that it could have all beeen a botched misunderstanding where someone would shoot another person in the back twice for "disrespecting" them during an theft. Anything in this God Forsaken world is possible. The flawed object I'm stating is that you can put out a thousand different scenerios that could exist, but the most logical one is that he was murdered for what he did.
Well, he was murdered before wl published. So that means the DNC tracked him, and murdered him? but the FBI didn't track him.
Or whatever, I really can't make a conclusion. If there's security footage, I'd like to see it.
Uh... yes. Not that the act was reasonable, but that it could happen and does happen.
Okay, picture this:
Robber: high on meth Give me your stuff! pointsgun
Victim: Oh shiiiit! Startsrunning
Robber: starts shooting Oh fuck... I need to get out of here!
....
I'm just saying it's plausible. And not uncommon. The WL rewards makes me think he's the leaker. But I'm just trying to.... ah fuck it.
Hi! I'm totally Media Matters! :D
Its not plausible. Its not likely. If you actually really do believe that he is the leaker then your not Media Matters. Your just a fucking moron. I actually live in a city where the possibility of getting robbed is a reality. People do not get shot for running. They get shot for fighting back. Which, based on the locations of the bullets, and the fact that there was no report of muzzle burn(which would indicate the shots were point blank) is not possible.
If he ran, they would have likely hit the shoe leather express themselves. The only reason they might have shot him otherwise would be because he saw faces that would allow him to ID them later.
Which again makes no sense if they did not actually rob him you fucking retard. This is not bumblefuck Iowa. Its Washington D.C. You think a DC cop is gonna even waste his time with some white guy who 'almost got robbed'? Nope.
Okay, next time someone robs you at gunpoint, just run! No way they'd shoot you! Awesome! It's amazing the police don't hand out pamphlets... just run away! no problems! XD
He was out late at night/early morning after getting drunk at a bar. It's rather unlikely he had his laptop on his person, and even so if he tried to run he wouldn't get far. As far as gunshots, they could have him down and still have plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do before the police show up.
I've not seen one. I can only assume based on circumstance that it is unlikely he would have it on his person, as he turned down a ride and was walking home.
Drugs like meth are extremely uncommon in DC - virtually impossible to get. Hypothetically it could've been the PCP down there, but nobody is scared on that shit if you've already commited murder. Take this from a former junkie from that area around the time this occured.
I see what your point is, and it would be understandable. But if you're already strapped, and already fired, you're getting that money to cop in order to make those charges worth it.
Exactly. Assange has a serious vendetta against Clinton, I'm assuming because of her "can't we just drone this guy" quip a couple of years ago, although there may be more to it.
So you're saying that this is happening because Assange has a vendetta against Clinton? However, you don't seem to think that Clinton has a vendetta against Assange, even though she wanted to "drone him." That makes sense.
I'm sure wikileaks would ruin ten years of bi-partisan credibility just to lie about Clinton. Especially after she lost the election...
So you're saying that this is happening because Assange has a vendetta against Clinton?
Yes, that has been pretty obvious for over a year now.
However, you don't seem to think it's possible that maybe Clinton has a vendetta against Assange, even though she wanted to "drone him." That makes sense.
She made a joke. She hasn't done anything to him.
I'm sure wikileaks would ruin ten years of bi-partisan credibility just to lie about Clinton.
If it was a robbery, why was nothing stolen off of him?
By definition, an attempted robbery is an unsuccessful one. They happen all the time.
If the perpetrators tried to mug him, but he fought back (signs of struggle per his family) and one of them shot him, it is very possible they would flee in a panic knowing that gunshots at ~4am will draw attention (which they did within minutes).
These scenarios happen. Here's a recent botched robbery where no property was stolen (it's just one example, I'm sure there are plenty more).
If it was a simple robbery, why is WikiLeaks offering a reward for information?
Likely to obfuscate who the real leaker is. If WL has any source protecting integrity, they wouldn't be winking and nodding at the real source.
Just think about it, if you were a potential leaker, would you want WL/Assange "hinting", "implying", or "insinuating" that you were the leaker? Fuck that. Even if I was dead, I wouldn't want my family or partners at risk.
Just think about it, if you were a potential leaker, would you want WL/Assange "hinting", "implying", or "insinuating" that you were the leaker? Fuck that. Even if I was dead, I wouldn't want my family or partners at risk.
This doesn't make any sense - Wikileaks saying anything at all puts this into play. It's not like potential future leakers all know that Seth Rich truly wasn't involved and will recognize Wikileaks' action as an obfuscation tactic.
Wikileaks saying anything at all puts this into play.
You bring up a good point. I think most people would agree with this.
This is why I said that if you believe he has any integrity as a person protecting his sources, he wouldn't be winking and nodding at the real source.
I, personally, believe WL works or has worked with Putin, but I don't believe Assange is cartoonish levels of evil. I give him the benefit of the doubt in that he is not endangering Seth Rich's family/partners with these "hints". Otherwise, we'd have to believe that he's willing to just throw his sources out there while pretending that he protects them.
To speculate why as he would do this, he may be trying to "weed out" potential leakers who don't trust him or who are fickle. There could be other reasons I haven't considered.
However, the fact of the matter is that he "Wikileaks saying anything at all puts this into play." We can only speculate as to why, but I believe he has enough integrity to mean when he says that he protects his source and doesn't just throw them out there with "hints" and "insinuations".
If you were killed during a robbery miles from your home, the police don't get to search your computers. That's not the way things work. They will use it as evidence if they believe it is related to the crime. I don't know if the DC Police do, since I don't believe Seth Rich had the computer with him and the police say they believe it's an attempted robbery.
Regardless, it is possible they have the laptop and it may be understandable. That doesn't validate any of the other claims made regarding the FBI or Wikileaks.
That's not the way things work. They will use it as evidence if they believe it is related to the crime. I don't know if the DC Police do, since I don't believe Seth Rich had the computer with him and the police say they believe it's an attempted robbery.
They look for motive. That could include going through his recent communications to see if anyone had a reason to want to kill him. They could get a warrant to search his computers, or maybe his family voluntarily gave the police his computer/phone, etc.
Regardless, it is possible they have the laptop and it may be understandable. That doesn't validate any of the other claims made regarding the FBI or Wikileaks.
Shortly after all this happened someone on Reddit looked at maps of all the street cameras nearby. IIRC he got murdered at the one spot with no cameras, with a straight shot east with no cameras into a park.
Interesting. What do you think are the implications of this?
Regarding cameras, I had read that there were cameras, but they missed the actual event:
"Security footage from a nearby market showed two men following Rich through a crosswalk by his home moments before he was shot, FoxNews.com has learned. The camera only captured the assailants’ legs and Rich after he was shot and fell onto the street."
The mother fucker was dead... How can you botch the robbery part at that point unless you're an absolute fucking moron? Come on now....
This isn't some kind of hypothetical situation. Gunshots will cause people to look out their windows. It will cause police to respond. It leads to witnesses and other loose ends. You don't have to be a "moron" to want to GTFO of the situation without digging through their wallets. It happens all the fucking time.
Likely to obfuscate who the real leaker is. If WL has any source protecting integrity, they wouldn't be winking and nodding at the real source.
Just think about it, if you were a potential leaker, would you want WL/Assange "hinting", "implying", or "insinuating" that you were the leaker? Fuck that. Even if I was dead, I wouldn't want my family or partners at risk.
That's what I've thought from the start. Assange is trying to say the dead guy did it to stop the FBI/DNC from looking any further. "case closed; no need to look for the leaker any more"
* cough * Tulsi Gabbard.
The family that is so sure he wasn't the leak? Yeah in sure he told his family about how he was about to break the law and give wikileaks all that info.
If he had a partner you would think the leaks would keep coming...
This. he still had his keys in his pocket. Any professional would have took his shit and used the keys to gain access and secure his laptop and any notes. They'd have plenty of time. This is Amateur hour bullshit.
That's what I'm saying. If this was a hit it was incredibly sloppy. He was still conscious when police and first responders arrived on the scene and nothing was missing from his person. There's just too many weird things about this whole event.
My hands and wrists are sore from painting and typing all day, but I agree with you, and this is another comment explaining my position, if you've seen it, sorry, ignore please.
Why leave evidence that would point back to them and aid investigators, unless some other party had Rich Shot and have no interest other than muddying the waters and introducing doubt? Maybe someone in the DNC did it, but not for the reasons espoused, ( like a personal vendetta ) or it was another party altogether.
It's increasing hard to imagine the Clinton foundation employing amateurs when they are already under the microscope especially considering their wealth and reach, while I imagine the DNC would have the Clinton foundation's resources at their disposal and would likely leave them to choose who to employ.
Honestly, it's more likely that if either group is guilty, the decision was taken and executed by a compartmentalized group within the organization that might have the implicit support of whoever is in charge ( they would be an invisible part of that organization ) but operates outside their purview to contain the possible collateral damage and fallout.
That's how a group like that would operate within any of the letter agencies and those agencies would be the most likely sources of those groups personnel.
And if that is the case, any investigation would see these people charged with the crime, as Hillary or whoever would have plausible deniability. Whoever is in charge might not even know Themselves if it was someone within their organization as they would never be part of the decision process or even have personally met the people involved. They might not even be aware the threat assessment group (TAG) exists within their organization, it's not like they'll be at the company picnic.
what description are you referring too? As someone whos lived in a city for many years I can tell you the story of attempted robberies where the robbers get spooked and run is pretty common, although not quite the same for shooting the victim first.
If something happened to spook the robbers and they ran before they could get anything that's another story, but the description does not say that.
well what did you mean by this then? I thought you were referring to something else too.
did your read any of those links? Those were just the top ones that show up on google. Their narratives are all similar to this one. Im not going to say theres zero chance of assassination BUT until there is, Im saying just a coincidental robbery gone wrong.
I just meant that if something did happen to spook the robbers like a light turning on or a person coming down the street I'd think it would be mentioned on the report.
Otherwise how did they determine it was a robbery and not a murder? There had to be something that made them think that. In the links you provided there is always a pretty clear indication that it was a robbery due to the circumstances.
fair point. My friend whos an avid believer of the assassination theory sent me the police report(which I dont have anymore but he found it online somewhere) and its practically blank so I guess that does give some credence to the theory. I guess I just see this as a very hard narrative to convince people he was assassinated. Like JFK or even Oswald himself, theres soooooo many people and motives that all point to the same thing where as with this, I dont see anything connecting really.
Hey maybe it was just lazy police work and they didn't want to leave an open case? Unfortunately for them they chose the wrong case to be lazy on because all eyes are going to be going over this one haha.
yea they had no idea that people on reddit and 4chan would spend hours if not days investigating into this. I bet those police on the report are freaking out about anything they might have done before now.
That's the whole point. 2 guys walk up to a guy and kill him...that's murder. You can't call it a botched robbery unless you can show they intended on robbing him. The botched robbery label is important as it dictates the narrative surrounding the whole thing. Without any reasoning to call it a botched robbery law enforcement should label this a homicide/murder
Alive when cops arrived. Body cameras gone missing. FBI confiscated laptop from his home within 24hrs of the murder. Julianne Assange gave every indication it was Seth.
So shoot someone in the back, who is fleeing so you can do 20 to life, leave him alive no less...and this wouldn't be botched, this would just so happen to be the worst robbery in history
well when desperate people with guns panic they obviously arent thinking too clearly. If you google "man shot in botched robbery" you would be surprised by how many times it happens.
It's interesting that people never seem to accept that a person robbing someone at gunpoint might not act in a rational way when things don't go how ge planned.
Plus, if he saw faces and ran, they have the possibility of being Id'd later and being charged with Aggravated Assault with a Deadly weapon. If the shooter was unfamiliar with his weapon he could have mistakenly pulled the trigger in the excitement, that can happen with inadequate trigger discipline. After that first shot, you better finish the job.
why ever shoot anyone when there are overhwelming odds you will be caught?
Hell, have you ever walked into the kitchen and realized you have no clue why you went in there? Never assume the rationality of people, especially people desperate enough to be trying to rob other people.
Your questions should revolve around the facts and evidence gathered, not the assumed motivations of an irrational actor.
life isn't grand theft auto you retard, when a robber who just wants to steal and run botches a job and shoots the guy his first thought is "I don't want to get caught shooting this guy" rather than spending time looting the body
I personally don't see how you can call it a botched robbery. If they didn't steal anything and you don't have a confession, all you know is 2 guys murdered another guy. It's rushing to a conclusion that itself is unproven. No facts point out it was an attempted robbery besides you saying people get robbed. You can also say people get murdered. It's not uncommon. With the facts that are know I wouldn't rule out a botched robbery, but I wouldn't call it a botched robbery either.
They are just investigating it as a botched robbery because they don't have a motive for murder. All you need as a motive for armed robbery is a wallet with some cash and credit cards. Motiveless murders are very rare.
But they didn't steal anything. There's no evidence for robbery. If you were a decent detective you would investigate a murder first, since there is no evidence of a robbery. Look how much his name is blowing up right now. You're telling me a detective wouldn't notice that? There is more evidence that somebody wanted to kill him then there is of someone robbing him. Murders happen. Sounds like we have officer Barbrady on the case.
That's why it's called botched. Botched robbery was their original speculation for motive because they could not find any other motive. They haven't changed it because they have not found any evidence supporting anything else. The ramblings of Bernie bros and Trump tards in conspiracy forums does not count as evidence.
I don't think you understand. There is zero evidence that OJ did it. Why not say that OJ did it? I mean it's possible. People have broken out of prison before.
Your the one who's claiming it's a normal everyday thing. Nothing to see here. I'm saying investigate. Have you ever seen one episode of CSI? Your head can't be that far in the sand or could it?
No, I have not seen a single episode of CSI. When did I ever say not to investigate? In fact, I have said several times that you should be investigated. I also think that they probably have investigated. Questioned friends, family and coworkers and found nothing, so they have stuck with their original conclusion. If your buddy Assange has real evidence of motive, and not just sly insinuation, maybe he should turn it over to Metro DC PD, and that would give them the probable cause they need to get warrant for the DNC. He hasn't, because there is none.
Robbery: Watch, wallet, cell phone,etc taken; no harm to victim.
Botched robbery: Something goes wrong (victim fights back, has their own weapon, etc) and nothing is taken and the robber runs away. Victim may or may not be physically harmed in the process.
There are signs that Rich struggled with the person(s) during the confrontation which further supports a botched robbery, imo.
I see what you're saying as well. Lots of unknowns in this case.
But your evidence for a botched robbery can't be because he wasn't robbed and that people sometimes shoot people and not rob them even though they meant to rob them.
The simple facts are two guys murdered another guy. That's all you know. That's what the investigation is. Maybe after you get a lead on the suspects you could find out more of what happened. Until then all you know is two guys murdered another guy.
After interviewing his family and friends. Asking everybody he knows if he had any enemies, anybody wanting to kill him. This is standard detective work. Just because somebody's dead and they still have all their belongings and it's in DC apparently means that you are a victim of a botched robbery. Why would the police do their job when they can just say "nothing to see here move along."
well theyre saying it was a "botched" robbery so I think that implies they didnt actually take anything because they must have panicked and shot him than ran away.
This news story has been debunked now both by journalists and his family. Time to move on to the next mystery and forget you were every wrong. Or double down on being wrong. Your choice.
Dude, the DC cops just blank face when asked about this. And his family is probably angered at the complete lack of investigation, blatant coverup with loss of evidence and a cop/likely shooter with no bodycam being first on the scene, or the MedAnon who sounded pretty legit and operated on him. TBH they are probably frightened. Do you think they just accept the "It was a simple robbery, they took nothing, but we just can't let you have his laptop, we are so very sorry for your loss, we gave it our best go, hope no more tragedies befall you" reach around from the corrupt police?
But why do Washington DC police even have the laptop? Saying it doesn't contain WL emails (which I believe) implies that you did in fact look for WL emails.
We don't know that. We know that your article (written by known Clinton operative who was himself subject of wikileaks' releases) has claimed that an unnamed FBI source and an unnamed FORMER DC police source have said that:
Meanwhile, a current FBI official and a former one completely discount the Fox News claim that an FBI analysis of a computer belonging to Rich contained thousands of e-mails to and from WikiLeaks.
Local police in Washington, D.C., never even gave the FBI Rich's laptop to analyze after his murder, according to the current FBI official.
And a former law enforcement official with first-hand knowledge of Rich's laptop said the claim was incorrect. "It never contained any e-mails related to WikiLeaks, and the FBI never had it," the person said.
You ever thought that Shills had the exact opposite effect they were intended to have?? Instead of hating trump and "correcting the record", they made everyone hate that CUNT even more 😂😂😂 Shills have us a trump presidency! Wow! Thanks Hilldawg, Thanks Johnny P!
You ever thought that Shills had the exact opposite effect they were intended to have?? Instead of hating trump and "correcting the record", they made everyone hate that CUNT even more 😂😂😂 Shills have us a trump presidency! Wow! Thanks Hilldawg, Thanks Johnny P!
"I don't know for sure, I don't know as a matter of fact if the emails went out to the WikiLeaks or anybody else," Wheeler told Sean Hannity. "But it sure appears that way."
Fox reported that a PI, who was not hired by the family, was told by an anonymous Washington Police detective that an anonymous FBI employee said they have this file.
well what you have to convince us is that the clinton/dnc had something to do with his murder. Im completely fine with the idea that he leaked emails about 7 DNC officials (none of whom were hillary or podesta) because thats not even that important since those emails contained nothing about pizza, Bernie, or anything it seems really. You need to convince us that Seth had something worth killing him for, as well as who killed him. (the latter will most likely never be found since no one on reddit knows how to write a FOIA request.)
"shillsplained" LOL I like that, I'll definitely be using it. Very relevant... Especially in this sub lately. I almost don't even go here anymore and I used to frequent very often.
The Washington police state they have his laptop. They could have used it to make sure someone didn't have a personal vendetta against the guy. No where is it confirmed that the FBI did their FBI analysis on the laptop except for the PI who has a track record of lying.
No Wheeler states that either the FBI or the Washington Police have his laptop. No one else has ever verified the laptop exists. Both departments deny that they have a laptop.
Because he was either carrying it while he got robbed, or his parents gave it to the people doing an investigation. As I've said before, his parents probably did not even know what a "wikileak" was before the investigation.
And a former law enforcement official with first-hand knowledge of Rich's laptop said the claim was incorrect. "It never contained any e-mails related to WikiLeaks, and the FBI never had it," the person said.
yea the only problem with him now is this story about his investigation into "a group of pedophile lesbians that go around kidnapping little girls to rape"
"I don't know for sure, I don't know as a matter of fact if the emails went out to the WikiLeaks or anybody else," Wheeler told Sean Hannity. "But it sure appears that way."
He was misquoted but still believes it to be so.
So now Wheeler is a nobody whose beliefs are meaningless because he said the opposite of what you claimed? You just used the first part of his statement to try and squash the Seth Rich conspiracy...
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So, you have a guy saying he lied about something and actually has no evidence - but you want to believe it anyways so you post the very quotes he just said we're lies as refutation. Amazing.
The title of the article says he was misquoted, your reply clearly makes it seem he refutes any connection between him and wikileaks.
Your post is deliberately misleading to make it out that the PI doesn't believe there is any connection. However there is a video of him saying he does...amazing.
He absolutely does NOT know more than us, that's the entire point here. His view is meaningless and reflects (like all of us) his personal biases which are on record.
I have read almost everything I could about Seth and Trump/Russia. Could it be possible that both are true? Do I have to pick a side? I do not trust the government. They have proved over and over again that trusting the government is foolish. People in government don't even trust the government. I think all of us know this. So why would you trust either side? Left/Right they report to the same master. Just one side worships Satan and the other Lucifer. Don't get caught in their net. As long as we fight each other we can be blindsided. The truth is all that matters, if you want the truth we should be working together. The Right focus on the aberrations with the Seth investigation and the Left should keep pressing for full disclosure with Russia.
If that turns out to be true, great! The truth trumps all (no pun). But it seems if one cancels the other, then both conspiracies need to come to a conclusion.
This murder was not meant to look like a botched robbery. It was meant to show dominance. This is TPTB dragging their balls over DC police department's face. They told them to stand down and they did. The police department care about the optics, so they came up with a half-ass robbery explanation. The perpetrators don't care about the optics. They are saying to us: "We own you."
That would be problematic, because the DC police aren't the only people who could investigate, and leaving evidence behind would be a loose end that could bite them in the ass.
I think you're reaching a bit, if someone had hard evidence and released it to the public, it could easily lead to many problems for them. The rich don't want poor folks having a martyr to get behind and that is what Rich could easily become.
For all TPTB's machinations and technology and guns -- and your scoffing -- the fact that they attach so much importance to controlling public perception imparts the extent to which they respect and fear its power.
The public is toothless when they feel, as individuals, that they're acting alone. That's why you don't see anyone rioting for Manning, Snowden and Assange -- the media are controlling the perception, making them figures of controversy (not to mention they're still alive -- unless that's a controlled perception as well). In such conditions, if you decide to take meaningful action, you aren't assured of anyone having your back or of your sacrifice having any real consequence.
But to know without ambiguity or controversy that your leaders are complicit in murder-- and knowing that everybody knows it-- takes it to a whole new level. You would know that everyone is questioning their pillars of trust and breaking free of the spell that the media has over them. And then you realise you know that noone would reproach you for snapping the neck of one of these gangsters, who's necks break as easily as anyone else's -- you would not then be an unsung hero rotting in a jail cell who's motives are lied about, but just the opposite -- and people would fight over who gets to draw first b lood.
The reason mafia methods gain so much traction is that they're able to isolate individuals, make them feel that they're acting alone against many who are organized around a common purpose (which is true). Change that, and the rest is easy.
thats actually quite creepy. Someone dies and the cops take his computer? why? If I was shot in the street walking home, I would like to think my family would be ANGRY if the cops took my property.
If they did, they did it with either a warrant or with the family''s permission, and to search for a possible motive. It's not like they're going to publicly release his browser history or charge him with downloading Game of Thrones episodes.
The police claim they don't have the computer. The FBI claims the same thing. Why hide it without any sort of explanation? All they'd have to say is "we're keeping it because it's part of an active investigation" but we haven't heard shit out of any of them.
If it was an assassination, why wasn't he killed on the spot? Why would the assassin not at least try to make it look like a robbery, and steal his stuff? No assassin would ever leave a mark like that 'almost dead'.
Ditto. This, as I've said before is my problem with the Assassin theory. My hands and wrists are sore from painting and typing all day so I'll just past my other comment here:
Why leave evidence that would point back to them and aid investigators, unless some other party had Rich Shot and have no interest other than muddying the waters and introducing doubt? Maybe someone in the DNC did it, but not for the reasons espoused, ( like a personal vendetta ) or it was another party altogether.
It's increasing hard to imagine the Clinton foundation employing amateurs when they are already under the microscope especially considering their wealth and reach, while I imagine the DNC would have the Clinton foundation's resources at their disposal and would likely leave them to choose who to employ.
Honestly, it's more likely that if either group is guilty, the decision was taken and executed by a compartmentalized group within the organization that might have the implicit support of whoever is in charge ( they would be an invisible part of that organization ) but operates outside their purview to contain the possible collateral damage and fallout.
That's how a group like that would operate within any of the letter agencies and those agencies would be the most likely sources of those groups personnel.
And if that is the case, any investigation would see these people charged with the crime, as Hillary or whoever would have plausible deniability. Whoever is in charge might not even know Themselves if it was someone within their organization as they would never be part of the decision process or even have personally met the people involved. They might not even be aware the threat assessment group (TAG) exists within their organization, it's not like they'll be at the company picnic.
How do you botch a robbery, then shoot Seth twice in the back and then run? How did he end up facing away? Was he fleeing or did they spin him around and then shoot?
Remember, they can't find his computer. The DC police says the FBI has it. The FBI says the DC police have it. That laptop has more than likely been melted down into slag.
I am sure they took the laptop to see if it could of been anything more than a robbery, but obviously so far the information they have found points to a robbery.
Also, I side with his parents that the DNC leak story is bogus.
To those of you assholes who say we are JUST NOW MENTIONING SETH RICH ON THIS SUB -examine this post of mine from FIVE FUCKING MONTHS AGO AND SUCK OUR COLLECTIVE DICKS ON BEHALF OF PATRIOT SETH RICH
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It makes perfect sense to seize the laptop of someone murdered in a simple random street robbery but to not even examine DNC servers which were hacked by the Russians.
Hillary Clinton spoke about Rich on Tuesday morning, amid remarks in New Hamphire on gun violence.
"Just this past Sunday, a young man, Seth Rich -- who worked for the Democratic National Committee, to expand voting rights -- was shot and killed in his neighborhood in Washington. He was just 27 years old," she said. "Surely we can agree that weapons of war have no place on the streets of America.
Clinton did mention it. The Rich family has been very consistent in their desire for peace and not being in the public eye. They could have requested he not be used for political purposes.
So if I let the police do their work to find a friend's killer, I'm at fault? I should put up a reward for the killer or else I'm fine with letting them remain on the streets to kill again?
Anyone who doesn't put up a reward is fine with murder? Brilliant logic. He was one of tens of thousands who worked in the same party as her. Maybe if it was someone who worked directly with her you might expect a reward, but not for someone she had probably never met.
If something happened to spook the robbers and they ran before they could get anything that's another story, but the description does not say that.
well what did you mean by this then? I thought you were referring to something else too.
did your read any of those links? Those were just the top ones that show up on google. Their narratives are all similar to this one. Im not going to say theres zero chance of assassination BUT until there is, Im saying just a coincidental robbery gone wrong.
Its not plausible. Its not likely. If you actually really do believe that he is the leaker then your not Media Matters. Your just a fucking moron. I actually live in a city where the possibility of getting robbed is a reality. People do not get shot for running. They get shot for fighting back. Which, based on the locations of the bullets, and the fact that there was no report of muzzle burn(which would indicate the shots were point blank) is not possible.
He was out late at night/early morning after getting drunk at a bar. It's rather unlikely he had his laptop on his person, and even so if he tried to run he wouldn't get far. As far as gunshots, they could have him down and still have plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do before the police show up.
Drugs like meth are extremely uncommon in DC - virtually impossible to get. Hypothetically it could've been the PCP down there, but nobody is scared on that shit if you've already commited murder. Take this from a former junkie from that area around the time this occured.
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n/a bannanaflame 2017-05-17
If it was a robbery how come Seth wasn't DNC poster boy for gun control to stop senseless gun crimes?
n/a PM_ME_YOUR_DICKS_GRL 2017-05-17
He was. It was posted last time /r/t_d tried to make that argument:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-Northwest-DC-386316391.html
n/a axolotl_peyotl 2017-05-17
This is the only instance anyone can find.
If I was the DNC trying to cover up the death, 100% silence would've been suspicious, so they had their evil queen mention it one single time so that folks like you can point to that instance in the future and say see!!!
I would love to be corrected if more instances are found, but the notion that this was the only time his death was mentioned is actually far more suspicious to me than any other scenario.
n/a PM_ME_YOUR_DICKS_GRL 2017-05-17
So if she didn't say anything, she did it. If she did say something, she did it. Got it.
n/a ShakesJr 2017-05-17
to be fair, mentioning it once and the idea of a "poster boy" are two different things
n/a OneOfDozens 2017-05-17
maybe because politicizing the hell out of his death would have been easily attacked?
n/a ShakesJr 2017-05-17
maybe, either way it would be bad. say he was murdered by agents of corruption, why bring more and more attention to it? say he wasn't; it would look gross and exploitative.
either way its handling dynamite
n/a Generic_On_Reddit 2017-05-17
She was already commonly viewed as manipulative and opportunistic. Politicizing his death would have been an easy move, but it would have continued to feed every negative stereotype she had.
n/a axolotl_peyotl 2017-05-17
Didn't say that.
...didn't say that either.
This is called "high octane speculation". Please don't put words in my mouth.
n/a PM_ME_YOUR_DICKS_GRL 2017-05-17
I'm just wondering what she could have done that wouldn't look suspicious to the people who are trying to push this narrative.
Seems like no matter what she does, she can't win.
n/a axolotl_peyotl 2017-05-17
Well that goes without saying ;)
n/a arachnopussy 2017-05-17
You're quite correct. Literally a loser.
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
Here's my problem with the "She had him off'd" narrative:
Why leave evidence that would point back to them and aid investigators, unless some other party had Rich Shot and have no interest other than muddying the waters and introducing doubt? Maybe someone in the DNC did it, but not for the reasons espoused, ( like a personal vendetta ) or it was another party altogether. It's increasing hard to imagine the Clinton foundation employing amateurs when they are already under the microscope especially considering their wealth and reach, while I imagine the DNC would have the Clinton foundation's resources at their disposal and would likely leave them to choose who to employ.
Honestly, it's more likely that if either group is guilty, the decision was taken and executed by a compartmentalized group within the organization that might have the implicit support of whoever is in charge ( they would be an invisible part of that organization ) but operates outside their purview to contain the possible collateral damage and fallout.
That's how a group like that would operate within any of the letter agencies and those agencies would be the most likely sources of those groups personnel.
And if that is the case, any investigation would see these people charged with the crime, as Hillary or whoever would have plausible deniability. Whoever is in charge might not even know Themselves if it was someone within their organization as they would never be part of the decision process or even have personally met the people involved. They might not even be aware the threat assessment group (TAG) exists within their organization, it's not like they'll be at the company picnic.
n/a sidebycide 2017-05-17
The democrats did not even use his death to push any gun control... or any narrative for that matter.
n/a Jupenator 2017-05-17
Does that make them better or worse, in your opinion? Like, is politicizing someone's death is a bad thing, right? The optics of it aren't good and the family probably doesn't want their son to be the poster-boy for political arguments.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-05-17
No they didn't politicize his death so that's proof.
n/a inventingnothing 2017-05-17
100% Silence is suspicious.
But I suspect that they wanted to draw as little attention to his murder as possible.
n/a hotdogsfromchicago 2017-05-17
A handgun is a weapon of war? lol
n/a dstamar 2017-05-17
Its not a weapon of peace
n/a WooTs_67 2017-05-17
That would be a truck
n/a Telenerd 2017-05-17
It's a weapon of protection. That's why they exist.
n/a PM_ME_YOUR_DICKS_GRL 2017-05-17
Yeah lmao. I'm not saying I agree with the push, but she did definitely try and poster boy him.
n/a megalodon90 2017-05-17
Didn't you know Delta Force is outfitted with .38 specials?
n/a sidebycide 2017-05-17
This the only time? How come the democrats don't offer their own reward for info leading to the arrest of the individuals involved?
n/a PM_ME_YOUR_DICKS_GRL 2017-05-17
I mean, when the right is using his death as a smear campaign, I can't imagine it being in her interest to continue using him to push for tighter gun laws.
n/a bannanaflame 2017-05-17
That was before wikileaks published DNC leaks. Any instances of Dems talking about Seth and gun control after the convention?
n/a PM_ME_YOUR_DICKS_GRL 2017-05-17
Nope, but put yourself in her position. Even if she didn't do it, would you continue to use Seth Rich to push gun control when the right is swirling rumors that you're the one that offed him?
If I find some time, I'll try and dig around using search tools to verify, but I understand the burden of proof's on me whether she did or not after the leaks, so fair point until then.
n/a bannanaflame 2017-05-17
I'm thinking she and team believed the leak plugged so they didn't have to shy away from it. As soon as wikileaks publishes and people start to wonder if there was a connection we stopped hearing about Seth's murder outside the circles that believed him to be the leak source.
n/a TDMAC14 2017-05-17
She says, as she's protected by armed body guards
n/a Vienna1683 2017-05-17
If this narrative is not coordinated how come you are all using the same talking points?
n/a CaptainApollyon 2017-05-17
logical questions are now talking points?
n/a Vienna1683 2017-05-17
Hillary Clinton mentioned him several times in anti-gun speeches.
You guys need to do some basic research before spreading a narrative.
n/a CaptainApollyon 2017-05-17
Mentioned doesn't equal poster boy. Why won't she match the reward to find the killer? Does she not want to find the killer? She has millions of dollars.
n/a Vienna1683 2017-05-17
Why should she?
n/a CaptainApollyon 2017-05-17
because its the right thing to do? apparently she's fine with letting these brutal murderers remain on the streets of dc to kill again.
n/a GreshamGhoul 2017-05-17
So if I let the police do their work to find a friend's killer, I'm at fault? I should put up a reward for the killer or else I'm fine with letting them remain on the streets to kill again?
n/a I_Lurrve_Science 2017-05-17
Anyone who doesn't put up a reward is fine with murder? Brilliant logic. He was one of tens of thousands who worked in the same party as her. Maybe if it was someone who worked directly with her you might expect a reward, but not for someone she had probably never met.
n/a Vienna1683 2017-05-17
Then why aren't you doing what you want her to do?
n/a CaptainApollyon 2017-05-17
I have no money
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-05-17
So your proof is that liberals aren't evil Trumptards who would use a death as a political dagger?
n/a CaptainApollyon 2017-05-17
I don't support any politicians because I understand history. what i cant stand are people ignoring the murder of a young man because people who support the president also want to see justice for a democrat.
n/a Ozcolllo 2017-05-17
Something tells me that if this democrat couldn't be used to smear Clinton then people wouldn't give a shit. It's impossible for me to know this for sure as I can't magically understand the intent of everyone involved, but with all of the fucked up rhetoric pointed toward the Left by the talking heads on the Right... I'm fairly confident in my assessment. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised to hear 1 down, 30 million to go.
n/a rmwe 2017-05-17
Clinton did mention it. The Rich family has been very consistent in their desire for peace and not being in the public eye. They could have requested he not be used for political purposes.
n/a KCdraft 2017-05-17
maybe it was "some Puerto Rican guy" who killed him? https://www.hulu.com/watch/266073
n/a T0mThomas 2017-05-17
If it was a robbery, why was nothing stolen off of him?
If it was a simple robbery, why is WikiLeaks offering a reward for information?
n/a sidebycide 2017-05-17
Exactly!
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
One reasonable explanation: He tried to run, was shot in the back, the shooter freaked out and ran because gun shots attract a lot of attention.
n/a pbaik829 2017-05-17
So why would they even pull the trigger in the first place if fun shots attract a lot of attention
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
Because he was robbing him, and he disrespected him by running.
It's not that uncommon of a scenario. There's a lot of adrenaline and you have to consider armed robbers are a bit unstable to begin with.
n/a ChrisNashvegas 2017-05-17
Your theory is that SR was killed because a robber felt "disrespected"? Are you fucking kidding me?
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
It's not my theory. I'm saying just saying it's entirely plausible.
I saw an almost gang fight in a gas station this week... over one guy(non gangster) looking at the other guy's face for too long.... he had a tattooed face (indicating gang affiliation).
The police have all the facts, like a video I guess... I don't have much info and I'm just reminding you there's still a reasonable explanation other than leaker being assassinated.
WikiLeak's interest in the case makes it seem a lot like the latter... but that kind of senseless violence sure as fuck occurs in america all the time. I'm not fucking kidding you.
here: https://www.google.com/search?q=botched+robbery&tbm=nws
n/a Skunkbush20 2017-05-17
Your logic is so flawed.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
Okay, SkunkBush. You really got me with that one.
burrrrrns
n/a Skunkbush20 2017-05-17
I agree with you that it could have all beeen a botched misunderstanding where someone would shoot another person in the back twice for "disrespecting" them during an theft. Anything in this God Forsaken world is possible. The flawed object I'm stating is that you can put out a thousand different scenerios that could exist, but the most logical one is that he was murdered for what he did.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
Well, he was murdered before wl published. So that means the DNC tracked him, and murdered him? but the FBI didn't track him.
Or whatever, I really can't make a conclusion. If there's security footage, I'd like to see it.
n/a Encyclopedia_Green 2017-05-17
You think it sounds reasonable that someone would decide to turn an attempted robbery into murder because he ran? Hello Media Matters
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
Uh... yes. Not that the act was reasonable, but that it could happen and does happen.
Okay, picture this:
Robber: high on meth Give me your stuff! points gun
Victim: Oh shiiiit! Starts running
Robber: starts shooting Oh fuck... I need to get out of here!
....
I'm just saying it's plausible. And not uncommon. The WL rewards makes me think he's the leaker. But I'm just trying to.... ah fuck it.
Hi! I'm totally Media Matters! :D
n/a undesirabledesires 2017-05-17
There were 2 "robbers".
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
There could never be two robbers! you're right!!! impossible!!!!! criminals never gang up!
n/a undesirabledesires 2017-05-17
You are the one that implied there was 1...
n/a HempCO719 2017-05-17
This just in: Meth head changes course of human history by robbing the exact right person at critical point in election.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
There's an assumption in that statement that I don't agree with assuming.
n/a HempCO719 2017-05-17
Yeah, it was probably ecstasy.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
There's an assumption in that statement that I don't agree with assuming.
n/a HempCO719 2017-05-17
Yeah, it was probably crack.
n/a Encyclopedia_Green 2017-05-17
Its not plausible. Its not likely. If you actually really do believe that he is the leaker then your not Media Matters. Your just a fucking moron. I actually live in a city where the possibility of getting robbed is a reality. People do not get shot for running. They get shot for fighting back. Which, based on the locations of the bullets, and the fact that there was no report of muzzle burn(which would indicate the shots were point blank) is not possible.
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
If he ran, they would have likely hit the shoe leather express themselves. The only reason they might have shot him otherwise would be because he saw faces that would allow him to ID them later.
n/a Encyclopedia_Green 2017-05-17
Which again makes no sense if they did not actually rob him you fucking retard. This is not bumblefuck Iowa. Its Washington D.C. You think a DC cop is gonna even waste his time with some white guy who 'almost got robbed'? Nope.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
Okay, next time someone robs you at gunpoint, just run! No way they'd shoot you! Awesome! It's amazing the police don't hand out pamphlets... just run away! no problems! XD
n/a Encyclopedia_Green 2017-05-17
Nope I would just hand my shit over. Which is what any normal person would do. Thus, avoiding getting shot.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
Nah, run and no way they'll shot
n/a randersononer 2017-05-17
I guess it is plausible, but it is incredibly strange that Seth's wallet was not taken at the very least.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
I agree. However, panic does happen. Murder is probably a difficult thing to process.
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
He was out late at night/early morning after getting drunk at a bar. It's rather unlikely he had his laptop on his person, and even so if he tried to run he wouldn't get far. As far as gunshots, they could have him down and still have plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do before the police show up.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
Can someone just give me a reliable source saying the police took his laptop?
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
I've not seen one. I can only assume based on circumstance that it is unlikely he would have it on his person, as he turned down a ride and was walking home.
n/a RentsBoy 2017-05-17
Drugs like meth are extremely uncommon in DC - virtually impossible to get. Hypothetically it could've been the PCP down there, but nobody is scared on that shit if you've already commited murder. Take this from a former junkie from that area around the time this occured.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
meth was just an example. pcp, heroin, crack... formaldehyde?
a lot of drugs make you squirrely.
n/a RentsBoy 2017-05-17
I see what your point is, and it would be understandable. But if you're already strapped, and already fired, you're getting that money to cop in order to make those charges worth it.
n/a Cadaverlanche 2017-05-17
And the police confiscated his computer because it's standard practice for botched robberies?
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
Do you have a reputable source saying his computer was confiscated? I just see fox and little blogs talking about it.
n/a Groomper 2017-05-17
Because wikileaks love making vague statements which rile up people who buy into the "Clinton is a mass murderer" theory.
n/a herpaderpistan 2017-05-17
Exactly. Assange has a serious vendetta against Clinton, I'm assuming because of her "can't we just drone this guy" quip a couple of years ago, although there may be more to it.
n/a CaptainApollyon 2017-05-17
you think?
n/a herpaderpistan 2017-05-17
Yes, I do. Do you...?
n/a SquishyDelishy 2017-05-17
So you're saying that this is happening because Assange has a vendetta against Clinton? However, you don't seem to think that Clinton has a vendetta against Assange, even though she wanted to "drone him." That makes sense.
I'm sure wikileaks would ruin ten years of bi-partisan credibility just to lie about Clinton. Especially after she lost the election...
n/a herpaderpistan 2017-05-17
Yes, that has been pretty obvious for over a year now.
She made a joke. She hasn't done anything to him.
Yes, vendettas are not rational.
Lost the election thanks to Assange.
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
By definition, an attempted robbery is an unsuccessful one. They happen all the time.
If the perpetrators tried to mug him, but he fought back (signs of struggle per his family) and one of them shot him, it is very possible they would flee in a panic knowing that gunshots at ~4am will draw attention (which they did within minutes).
These scenarios happen. Here's a recent botched robbery where no property was stolen (it's just one example, I'm sure there are plenty more).
Likely to obfuscate who the real leaker is. If WL has any source protecting integrity, they wouldn't be winking and nodding at the real source.
Just think about it, if you were a potential leaker, would you want WL/Assange "hinting", "implying", or "insinuating" that you were the leaker? Fuck that. Even if I was dead, I wouldn't want my family or partners at risk.
n/a Sowata 2017-05-17
This makes a lot of sense but I'm going to have to downvote you.
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
lol, OK. No worries.
n/a Cripplor 2017-05-17
Thank you for making sense.
n/a WayneIndustries 2017-05-17
This doesn't make any sense - Wikileaks saying anything at all puts this into play. It's not like potential future leakers all know that Seth Rich truly wasn't involved and will recognize Wikileaks' action as an obfuscation tactic.
n/a rmwe 2017-05-17
It makes sense if you think Assange isnt a virtuous actor.
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
You bring up a good point. I think most people would agree with this.
This is why I said that if you believe he has any integrity as a person protecting his sources, he wouldn't be winking and nodding at the real source.
I, personally, believe WL works or has worked with Putin, but I don't believe Assange is cartoonish levels of evil. I give him the benefit of the doubt in that he is not endangering Seth Rich's family/partners with these "hints". Otherwise, we'd have to believe that he's willing to just throw his sources out there while pretending that he protects them.
To speculate why as he would do this, he may be trying to "weed out" potential leakers who don't trust him or who are fickle. There could be other reasons I haven't considered.
However, the fact of the matter is that he "Wikileaks saying anything at all puts this into play." We can only speculate as to why, but I believe he has enough integrity to mean when he says that he protects his source and doesn't just throw them out there with "hints" and "insinuations".
n/a Aintnojusticejustus 2017-05-17
For sure but if it is a botched robbery why is the fbi involved, its not their jurisdiction. Dc metro pd would ahve all the evidence.
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
Have you considered the possibility that the FBI isn't involved? What is the evidence that they are?
n/a Aintnojusticejustus 2017-05-17
I have. The pi said his source at the fbi confirmed the fbi forensics team had examined it.
Only party that would make sense to be in possession of it is dc metro police, as the investigation is ongoing. Proof they have it?
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
Are you saying the FBI confirmed this? As far as I know, only anonymous sources have claimed/confirmed this.
This article says the FBI is not probing the case.
Why would anybody, but the owners of the laptop, be in possession of it?
I don't think the FBI or the DC Police have it. I'm not sure why they would and I haven't seen evidence that they do.
n/a Aintnojusticejustus 2017-05-17
The owner was murdered. Its evidence in a pending murder case. Thats why the owner wouldnt have it and why the police would.
You're not sure why police would have evidence from a murder scene?
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
If you were killed during a robbery miles from your home, the police don't get to search your computers. That's not the way things work. They will use it as evidence if they believe it is related to the crime. I don't know if the DC Police do, since I don't believe Seth Rich had the computer with him and the police say they believe it's an attempted robbery.
Regardless, it is possible they have the laptop and it may be understandable. That doesn't validate any of the other claims made regarding the FBI or Wikileaks.
n/a HarryandWinston 2017-05-17
They look for motive. That could include going through his recent communications to see if anyone had a reason to want to kill him. They could get a warrant to search his computers, or maybe his family voluntarily gave the police his computer/phone, etc.
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
n/a HarryandWinston 2017-05-17
I agree, this story doesn't seem to be anything but a rumor probably started by Trump/Sanders supporters.
n/a DontTreadOnMe16 2017-05-17
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/amp/dnc-staffer-s-murder-draws-fresh-conspiracy-theories-n760186
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
Are there any named sources?
n/a Whyisnthillaryinjail 2017-05-17
Shortly after all this happened someone on Reddit looked at maps of all the street cameras nearby. IIRC he got murdered at the one spot with no cameras, with a straight shot east with no cameras into a park.
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
Interesting. What do you think are the implications of this?
Regarding cameras, I had read that there were cameras, but they missed the actual event:
"Security footage from a nearby market showed two men following Rich through a crosswalk by his home moments before he was shot, FoxNews.com has learned. The camera only captured the assailants’ legs and Rich after he was shot and fell onto the street."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/10/slain-dnc-staffers-father-doubts-wikileaks-link-as-cops-seek-answers.html
n/a BurninEpix 2017-05-17
What are the implications you ask? Does someone need to spell it out letter by letter for you or something. Sheesh.
n/a DeathMetalDeath 2017-05-17
no he already knows, look at his history, its his job to cast doubt on anything in r/conspiracy.
n/a BurninEpix 2017-05-17
I know I know. I should know better than to feed the Trolls but sometimes it's just so enraging and I'm human ya know lol.
n/a DeathMetalDeath 2017-05-17
yeah i'm guilty of it too. People should see us dissenting against them for they won't know.
n/a BurninEpix 2017-05-17
The mother fucker was dead... How can you buy a robbery like that unless you're an absolute fucking moron? Come on now....
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
This isn't some kind of hypothetical situation. Gunshots will cause people to look out their windows. It will cause police to respond. It leads to witnesses and other loose ends. You don't have to be a "moron" to want to GTFO of the situation without digging through their wallets. It happens all the fucking time.
http://www.cleveland19.com/story/11578888/heartless-family-friends-and-community-mourns-gunned-down-store-clerk
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-downey-police-officer-killed-20151119-story.html
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
Oh, also, he wasn't dead when they left him. He was alive, breathing, and conscious.
n/a Captain_____Obvious_ 2017-05-17
That's what I've thought from the start. Assange is trying to say the dead guy did it to stop the FBI/DNC from looking any further. "case closed; no need to look for the leaker any more"
* cough * Tulsi Gabbard.
n/a Rant_and_Raver 2017-05-17
Yeah your botched robbery comparison linked is a little different. Those attackers left after a fight and their masked was pulled off.
How many botched with a person shot in the back and nothing stolen?
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
Well, for one, Seth Rich was found breathing and conscious.
Regardless, just a few minutes of research yielded these results:
http://www.cleveland19.com/story/11578888/heartless-family-friends-and-community-mourns-gunned-down-store-clerk
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-downey-police-officer-killed-20151119-story.html
I'm sure there's more. Is there a threshold number of botched robbery examples for you to consider this as a legit possibility?
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
His family? Any potential partners?
n/a Rant_and_Raver 2017-05-17
The family that is so sure he wasn't the leak? Yeah in sure he told his family about how he was about to break the law and give wikileaks all that info.
If he had a partner you would think the leaks would keep coming...
n/a pokejerk 2017-05-17
It's called blackmail. The family doesn't have to be in on it. They would be killed as collateral.
"Attention potential leakers: Even if you are dead, we will go after your family, your friends, and/or anyone else you love."
How do you know that? They could be laying low or something. You can bet the DNC was on high alert after the hacks/leaks.
n/a Aintnojusticejustus 2017-05-17
If he was shot in the back, why isnt the laptop from his backpage destroyed by the bullets?
Ohhhhhhh they too it from him then killed him...
n/a BurninEpix 2017-05-17
Backpack?
n/a kousi 2017-05-17
Is Russia, we find English sometimes wery confusing.
n/a Redditsoldestaccount 2017-05-17
Everything that goes against my preconceived notions is an evil
right-wingRussian conspiracy!n/a kousi 2017-05-17
There are a lot of weird grammar problems in the thread is all. Even in the title.
n/a Redditsoldestaccount 2017-05-17
Ahh gotcha, we tend to misinterpret English here in Russia ;)
n/a kousi 2017-05-17
:-o
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
He'd been at a bar until late drinking. If he had a backpack on, its likely they would have reported it.
n/a jaspersnutts 2017-05-17
The laptop was taken from his home. He was murdered in the street a few minutes from his house.
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
This. he still had his keys in his pocket. Any professional would have took his shit and used the keys to gain access and secure his laptop and any notes. They'd have plenty of time. This is Amateur hour bullshit.
n/a jaspersnutts 2017-05-17
That's what I'm saying. If this was a hit it was incredibly sloppy. He was still conscious when police and first responders arrived on the scene and nothing was missing from his person. There's just too many weird things about this whole event.
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
My hands and wrists are sore from painting and typing all day, but I agree with you, and this is another comment explaining my position, if you've seen it, sorry, ignore please.
Why leave evidence that would point back to them and aid investigators, unless some other party had Rich Shot and have no interest other than muddying the waters and introducing doubt? Maybe someone in the DNC did it, but not for the reasons espoused, ( like a personal vendetta ) or it was another party altogether.
It's increasing hard to imagine the Clinton foundation employing amateurs when they are already under the microscope especially considering their wealth and reach, while I imagine the DNC would have the Clinton foundation's resources at their disposal and would likely leave them to choose who to employ.
Honestly, it's more likely that if either group is guilty, the decision was taken and executed by a compartmentalized group within the organization that might have the implicit support of whoever is in charge ( they would be an invisible part of that organization ) but operates outside their purview to contain the possible collateral damage and fallout.
That's how a group like that would operate within any of the letter agencies and those agencies would be the most likely sources of those groups personnel.
And if that is the case, any investigation would see these people charged with the crime, as Hillary or whoever would have plausible deniability. Whoever is in charge might not even know Themselves if it was someone within their organization as they would never be part of the decision process or even have personally met the people involved. They might not even be aware the threat assessment group (TAG) exists within their organization, it's not like they'll be at the company picnic.
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
his laptop was in his house.....
n/a die-ente 2017-05-17
A better question is what evidence is there that it was a robbery? The answer is none.
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
well the police report and supposed footage of 2 men coming up to him then shooting twice, then running away.
n/a shadowofashadow 2017-05-17
That's not a robbery, that's a murder. A robbery involves robbing.
If something happened to spook the robbers and they ran before they could get anything that's another story, but your description does not say that.
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
what description are you referring too? As someone whos lived in a city for many years I can tell you the story of attempted robberies where the robbers get spooked and run is pretty common, although not quite the same for shooting the victim first.
Heres a few examples of narritives of botched robberies, note the similarities... https://patch.com/virginia/woodbridge-va/man-shot-during-botched-robbery-attempt-woodbridge-police
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/19027800/man-shot-while-fighting-off-armed-robbers
http://www.wsmv.com/story/19027800/man-shot-while-fighting-off-armed-robbers
http://www.cleveland19.com/story/13048736/akron-man-shot-in-botched-robbery-attempt?
n/a shadowofashadow 2017-05-17
Just the description you provided. I haven't seen the report myself.
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
well what did you mean by this then? I thought you were referring to something else too.
did your read any of those links? Those were just the top ones that show up on google. Their narratives are all similar to this one. Im not going to say theres zero chance of assassination BUT until there is, Im saying just a coincidental robbery gone wrong.
n/a shadowofashadow 2017-05-17
I just meant that if something did happen to spook the robbers like a light turning on or a person coming down the street I'd think it would be mentioned on the report.
Otherwise how did they determine it was a robbery and not a murder? There had to be something that made them think that. In the links you provided there is always a pretty clear indication that it was a robbery due to the circumstances.
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
fair point. My friend whos an avid believer of the assassination theory sent me the police report(which I dont have anymore but he found it online somewhere) and its practically blank so I guess that does give some credence to the theory. I guess I just see this as a very hard narrative to convince people he was assassinated. Like JFK or even Oswald himself, theres soooooo many people and motives that all point to the same thing where as with this, I dont see anything connecting really.
n/a shadowofashadow 2017-05-17
Hey maybe it was just lazy police work and they didn't want to leave an open case? Unfortunately for them they chose the wrong case to be lazy on because all eyes are going to be going over this one haha.
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
yea they had no idea that people on reddit and 4chan would spend hours if not days investigating into this. I bet those police on the report are freaking out about anything they might have done before now.
n/a Haydens_Army 2017-05-17
That's the whole point. 2 guys walk up to a guy and kill him...that's murder. You can't call it a botched robbery unless you can show they intended on robbing him. The botched robbery label is important as it dictates the narrative surrounding the whole thing. Without any reasoning to call it a botched robbery law enforcement should label this a homicide/murder
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
well I would say it seems like it could have been a botched robbery AND a murder. doesnt have to be one or the other.
n/a Haydens_Army 2017-05-17
Again...what indicator gives it any credibility to even remotely consider it a botched robbery?
n/a Encyclopedia_Green 2017-05-17
You mean the Police Report that states that nothing was stolen? You shills aren't even trying anymore.
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
does the report indicate an assassination? does any evidence indicate an assassination?
n/a LordMandrake_ 2017-05-17
Came here to say the same thing.
He was murdered because he was the wikileaks leaker. Not because he mugged for his watch and wallet, which were not stolen.
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
his leaks havent been connected to the podesta leaks. He leaked 40K+ emails from 7 different dnc officials but not hillary or podesta
n/a LordMandrake_ 2017-05-17
That's fine. He still did the right thing.
n/a PiercePyrite 2017-05-17
Who knows? He may have caused a commotion that spooked the robber.
Who knows? Maybe Wikileaks has a propaganda agenda of their own.
n/a duttyman45 2017-05-17
Alive when cops arrived. Body cameras gone missing. FBI confiscated laptop from his home within 24hrs of the murder. Julianne Assange gave every indication it was Seth.
n/a Reddit_Uses_you 2017-05-17
Source for any of that other than Assange hinting it was him?
n/a sweetmeat 2017-05-17
beyond the discredited PI, is there any evidence of the FBI confiscating his laptop?
n/a pope_jawn_paul 2017-05-17
their agenda is making the truth hurt bad
n/a rocktogether 2017-05-17
Ding! Ding! Ding!
n/a SooperModelsDotCom 2017-05-17
What part of the headline ("botched robbery") don't you understand? And it's interesting to note how you left the word "botched" out of your question.
n/a duttyman45 2017-05-17
So shoot someone in the back, who is fleeing so you can do 20 to life, leave him alive no less...and this wouldn't be botched, this would just so happen to be the worst robbery in history
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
well when desperate people with guns panic they obviously arent thinking too clearly. If you google "man shot in botched robbery" you would be surprised by how many times it happens.
n/a RingDingDoop 2017-05-17
It's interesting that people never seem to accept that a person robbing someone at gunpoint might not act in a rational way when things don't go how ge planned.
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
Plus, if he saw faces and ran, they have the possibility of being Id'd later and being charged with Aggravated Assault with a Deadly weapon. If the shooter was unfamiliar with his weapon he could have mistakenly pulled the trigger in the excitement, that can happen with inadequate trigger discipline. After that first shot, you better finish the job.
n/a Ibreathelotsofair 2017-05-17
why ever shoot anyone when there are overhwelming odds you will be caught?
Hell, have you ever walked into the kitchen and realized you have no clue why you went in there? Never assume the rationality of people, especially people desperate enough to be trying to rob other people.
Your questions should revolve around the facts and evidence gathered, not the assumed motivations of an irrational actor.
n/a timbukk2 2017-05-17
life isn't grand theft auto you retard, when a robber who just wants to steal and run botches a job and shoots the guy his first thought is "I don't want to get caught shooting this guy" rather than spending time looting the body
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
I personally don't see how you can call it a botched robbery. If they didn't steal anything and you don't have a confession, all you know is 2 guys murdered another guy. It's rushing to a conclusion that itself is unproven. No facts point out it was an attempted robbery besides you saying people get robbed. You can also say people get murdered. It's not uncommon. With the facts that are know I wouldn't rule out a botched robbery, but I wouldn't call it a botched robbery either.
n/a Beavis357 2017-05-17
They are just investigating it as a botched robbery because they don't have a motive for murder. All you need as a motive for armed robbery is a wallet with some cash and credit cards. Motiveless murders are very rare.
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
But they didn't steal anything. There's no evidence for robbery. If you were a decent detective you would investigate a murder first, since there is no evidence of a robbery. Look how much his name is blowing up right now. You're telling me a detective wouldn't notice that? There is more evidence that somebody wanted to kill him then there is of someone robbing him. Murders happen. Sounds like we have officer Barbrady on the case.
n/a Beavis357 2017-05-17
That's why it's called botched. Botched robbery was their original speculation for motive because they could not find any other motive. They haven't changed it because they have not found any evidence supporting anything else. The ramblings of Bernie bros and Trump tards in conspiracy forums does not count as evidence.
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
That's the problem. You can't just name a motive. You would say unknown. You can't claim it was a botched robbery with zero evidence of a robbery.
n/a Beavis357 2017-05-17
Yes you can.
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
Lol. If you want to sound like an idiot. Why not say OJ did it? There is zero evidence of OJ doing it. In the glove wouldn't fit.
n/a Beavis357 2017-05-17
Because OJ was locked in a cell in Nevada. What were you doing that night?
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
Yeah but there's no evidence that OJ did it. So why not say oh Jay did it?
n/a Beavis357 2017-05-17
Because he had an alibi. Do you?
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
I don't think you understand. There is zero evidence that OJ did it. Why not say that OJ did it? I mean it's possible. People have broken out of prison before.
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
Or maybe it was self-defense. Maybe the fact that Seth had a watch means that he stole it from them. These things happen.
n/a Beavis357 2017-05-17
So a guy with a good full time job just decides to violently steal a watch in the middle of the night? lol.
You're still my chief suspect. You have yet to provide an alibi, and keep changing the subject.
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
Your the one who's claiming it's a normal everyday thing. Nothing to see here. I'm saying investigate. Have you ever seen one episode of CSI? Your head can't be that far in the sand or could it?
n/a Beavis357 2017-05-17
No, I have not seen a single episode of CSI. When did I ever say not to investigate? In fact, I have said several times that you should be investigated. I also think that they probably have investigated. Questioned friends, family and coworkers and found nothing, so they have stuck with their original conclusion. If your buddy Assange has real evidence of motive, and not just sly insinuation, maybe he should turn it over to Metro DC PD, and that would give them the probable cause they need to get warrant for the DNC. He hasn't, because there is none.
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
The fuck are you? If you were a detective and asked friends and family, you wouldn't come up with one possible conclusion to murder? Ridiculous. LOL.
n/a Beavis357 2017-05-17
No, you are ridiculous. Still waiting for your alibi, and for you to release the 20,000 emails that you are hiding.
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
I didn't know Jerrys could use Reddit.
n/a Beavis357 2017-05-17
Jerrys? Is that some ww2 insult for Germans?
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
I don't think so. I've never heard it used for that.
n/a SooperModelsDotCom 2017-05-17
The way I see it is:
Robbery: Watch, wallet, cell phone,etc taken; no harm to victim.
Botched robbery: Something goes wrong (victim fights back, has their own weapon, etc) and nothing is taken and the robber runs away. Victim may or may not be physically harmed in the process.
There are signs that Rich struggled with the person(s) during the confrontation which further supports a botched robbery, imo.
I see what you're saying as well. Lots of unknowns in this case.
n/a danjo_kandui 2017-05-17
But your evidence for a botched robbery can't be because he wasn't robbed and that people sometimes shoot people and not rob them even though they meant to rob them.
The simple facts are two guys murdered another guy. That's all you know. That's what the investigation is. Maybe after you get a lead on the suspects you could find out more of what happened. Until then all you know is two guys murdered another guy.
After interviewing his family and friends. Asking everybody he knows if he had any enemies, anybody wanting to kill him. This is standard detective work. Just because somebody's dead and they still have all their belongings and it's in DC apparently means that you are a victim of a botched robbery. Why would the police do their job when they can just say "nothing to see here move along."
n/a Isperia165 2017-05-17
He was robbed of his life and the US people a freedom fighter.
n/a randomevenings 2017-05-17
or he was a russian agent killed by the CIA.
n/a ClimateMaster 2017-05-17
er....er....Russia! /s
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
well theyre saying it was a "botched" robbery so I think that implies they didnt actually take anything because they must have panicked and shot him than ran away.
n/a pbaik829 2017-05-17
If it was just a robbery, with gun violence, then why didnt Hillary use this to promote gun control laws. After all, he worked for the DNC too
n/a T0mThomas 2017-05-17
Nothing to see, move along citizen.
n/a HBombthrow 2017-05-17
She did.
n/a iVirtue 2017-05-17
Ecks Dee
n/a ancientRedDog 2017-05-17
This news story has been debunked now both by journalists and his family. Time to move on to the next mystery and forget you were every wrong. Or double down on being wrong. Your choice.
n/a Atrocitus 2017-05-17
Dude, the DC cops just blank face when asked about this. And his family is probably angered at the complete lack of investigation, blatant coverup with loss of evidence and a cop/likely shooter with no bodycam being first on the scene, or the MedAnon who sounded pretty legit and operated on him. TBH they are probably frightened. Do you think they just accept the "It was a simple robbery, they took nothing, but we just can't let you have his laptop, we are so very sorry for your loss, we gave it our best go, hope no more tragedies befall you" reach around from the corrupt police?
n/a T0mThomas 2017-05-17
Don't be a useful idiot.
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
It might have been someone with a personal vendetta, or it might have been someone unconcerned with evidence attempting to muddy the waters
n/a keptfloatin707 2017-05-17
what if something small was stolen from him like, say a usb drive?
n/a Reltius 2017-05-17
I'd like to see this one shillsplained to me as well.
Fox reported an FBI source confirmed they have a forensic file on the computer that proves he was emailing Wikileaks.
So if this is true, would it be enough to convince the shills on /conspiracy that Seth Rich is not a nothingburger?
n/a TrumpRusConspiracy 2017-05-17
Local police in Washington, D.C., never even gave the FBI Rich's laptop to analyze after his murder, according to the current FBI official.
And a former law enforcement official with first-hand knowledge of Rich's laptop said the claim was incorrect. "It never contained any e-mails related to WikiLeaks, and the FBI never had it," the person said.
n/a GimletOnTheRocks 2017-05-17
But why do Washington DC police even have the laptop? Saying it doesn't contain WL emails (which I believe) implies that you did in fact look for WL emails.
n/a TrumpRusConspiracy 2017-05-17
I don't know. I'm just stating that the FBI never had it.
n/a Eduel80 2017-05-17
Well I assumed the FBI was involved due to it being WAS D.C. Or Federal for some reason per it being /w DNC.
But you know what happens when you ass-u-me.
n/a rmwe 2017-05-17
You don't just assume that - Fox explicitly told you that and they were lying.
n/a Eduel80 2017-05-17
Oh I missed that part.
n/a know_comment 2017-05-17
We don't know that. We know that your article (written by known Clinton operative who was himself subject of wikileaks' releases) has claimed that an unnamed FBI source and an unnamed FORMER DC police source have said that:
n/a lepp240 2017-05-17
No one knows if theap top exists and now the PI is backtracking on his entire story.
n/a buttbutt_fartfart 2017-05-17
How do you know they kept it?
n/a ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-05-17
Holy shit homie, you must be getting PAAAIDDD..
You ever thought that Shills had the exact opposite effect they were intended to have?? Instead of hating trump and "correcting the record", they made everyone hate that CUNT even more 😂😂😂 Shills have us a trump presidency! Wow! Thanks Hilldawg, Thanks Johnny P!
n/a TrumpRusConspiracy 2017-05-17
For what?
n/a lanimirC_thguohT 2017-05-17
Because anyone who defends Clinton against unsubstantiated accusations is a Shareblue/CTR shill. /s
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
i wish. then id have a job instead of sitting here dealing with this
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
It's not so bad, Idiots on the internet can be just as entertaining as the RL ones
n/a CelineHagbard 2017-05-17
Removed. Rule 10. Only warning.
n/a ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-05-17
Holy shit homie, you must be getting PAAAIDDD..
You ever thought that Shills had the exact opposite effect they were intended to have?? Instead of hating trump and "correcting the record", they made everyone hate that CUNT even more 😂😂😂 Shills have us a trump presidency! Wow! Thanks Hilldawg, Thanks Johnny P!
n/a OneOfDozens 2017-05-17
Well you're trusting Fox.
But on Tuesday, Wheeler told BuzzFeed News that he had no personal knowledge of whether Rich sent emails to a contact at WikiLeaks.
"That story on Fox 5 last night was inaccurate," said Wheeler, a former DC homicide detective. "I don't even know where the computers are."
n/a marcysharkymoo 2017-05-17
"I don't know for sure, I don't know as a matter of fact if the emails went out to the WikiLeaks or anybody else," Wheeler told Sean Hannity. "But it sure appears that way."
He was misquoted but still believes it to be so.
n/a Reltius 2017-05-17
This FBI forensic file has nothing to do with Wheeler. Fox corroborated Wheeler's claims with this FBI source saying the forensic file exists.
So we will have to wait and see, like usual.
n/a OneOfDozens 2017-05-17
" Fox corroborated"
uh huh
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-05-17
It's not like Wheeler doesn't know who the source is.
n/a throwawaytreez 2017-05-17
You mean the MSM is citing an anonymous source?
n/a lepp240 2017-05-17
Fox reported that a PI, who was not hired by the family, was told by an anonymous Washington Police detective that an anonymous FBI employee said they have this file.
n/a Donkey__Elephant 2017-05-17
Seems like the only information we get from the media anymore is anonymous alleged hearsay.
n/a joeyisdamanya 2017-05-17
And now the PI is saying the entire story was made up and he was misquoted by Fox news.
n/a gruntznclickz 2017-05-17
Patently untrue. They hired him but with funds given by someone else. They chose him, the Rich family signed the cintract.
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-05-17
The FBI isn't investigating his murder and doesn't have his laptop. The shitty source from the made up story already took back everything
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
well what you have to convince us is that the clinton/dnc had something to do with his murder. Im completely fine with the idea that he leaked emails about 7 DNC officials (none of whom were hillary or podesta) because thats not even that important since those emails contained nothing about pizza, Bernie, or anything it seems really. You need to convince us that Seth had something worth killing him for, as well as who killed him. (the latter will most likely never be found since no one on reddit knows how to write a FOIA request.)
n/a cuatro-20 2017-05-17
"shillsplained" LOL I like that, I'll definitely be using it. Very relevant... Especially in this sub lately. I almost don't even go here anymore and I used to frequent very often.
n/a tehretard23 2017-05-17
http://www.salon.com/2017/05/17/fox-news-contributor-turns-on-fox-news-after-report-on-a-dnc-murder-conspiracy-falls-apart/
The guy you are quoting is quoting fox news lol. Its a nothingburger.
n/a itsjeremyson 2017-05-17
Here's what gets me...
The Washington police state they have his laptop. They could have used it to make sure someone didn't have a personal vendetta against the guy. No where is it confirmed that the FBI did their FBI analysis on the laptop except for the PI who has a track record of lying.
n/a sidebycide 2017-05-17
Also news organizations say they confirmed what the PI has said via their own sources.
n/a Jupenator 2017-05-17
Fox news said that, right? Not very convincing since he works for them.
n/a arachnopussy 2017-05-17
So we can now disqualify statements of people that work for CNN according to your decree.
Good to know.
n/a RooLoL 2017-05-17
Sure, when only one agency is reporting it with only one source.
n/a arachnopussy 2017-05-17
Yes, it is. "Anonymous sources" don't go around to multiple news organizations scheduling repeated leaks.
So thanks for your permission. I'll be quoting you in the near future.
n/a RooLoL 2017-05-17
Sweet. Are you aware that in this case they provided absolutely zero proof?
n/a jimmydorry 2017-05-17
Sounds familiar. What other large scandals have been pushed by media recently that completely relied on anonymous sources?
n/a arachnopussy 2017-05-17
Goose/Gander. Pot/Kettle.
n/a mki401 2017-05-17
Has anyone other than Fox confirmed it?
n/a newnudeintown 2017-05-17
Believing that the DC cops accurately investigate crimes was your first mistake
Different country, but look at the Ed Heath investigation
n/a lepp240 2017-05-17
No Wheeler states that either the FBI or the Washington Police have his laptop. No one else has ever verified the laptop exists. Both departments deny that they have a laptop.
n/a Bruuus 2017-05-17
Because he was either carrying it while he got robbed, or his parents gave it to the people doing an investigation. As I've said before, his parents probably did not even know what a "wikileak" was before the investigation.
n/a lepp240 2017-05-17
Also there are no sources except for this Wheeler guy that claim there even is a laptop.
n/a DontTreadOnMe16 2017-05-17
At least in this case the guy actually put his name on the line.
As opposed to all of the "anonymous intelligence sources" that the entire Russia/Trump conspiracy theory is based on...
Also, you're wrong. At least one (notice, anonymous) "former law enforcement official with first-hand knowledge of Rich's laptop" confirmed that.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/amp/dnc-staffer-s-murder-draws-fresh-conspiracy-theories-n760186
n/a GreshamGhoul 2017-05-17
At least finish your quote before.
And a former law enforcement official with first-hand knowledge of Rich's laptop said the claim was incorrect. "It never contained any e-mails related to WikiLeaks, and the FBI never had it," the person said.
Hmm...
n/a MaryLS 2017-05-17
How does a former law enforcement official happen to have first-hand knowledge of what was on Rich's laptop
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
yea the only problem with him now is this story about his investigation into "a group of pedophile lesbians that go around kidnapping little girls to rape"
n/a OneOfDozens 2017-05-17
But on Tuesday, Wheeler told BuzzFeed News that he had no personal knowledge of whether Rich sent emails to a contact at WikiLeaks.
"That story on Fox 5 last night was inaccurate," said Wheeler, a former DC homicide detective. "I don't even know where the computers are."
n/a marcysharkymoo 2017-05-17
"I don't know for sure, I don't know as a matter of fact if the emails went out to the WikiLeaks or anybody else," Wheeler told Sean Hannity. "But it sure appears that way." He was misquoted but still believes it to be so.
n/a OneOfDozens 2017-05-17
and someone believing something is evidence, as long as it's about democrats
n/a Martaway 2017-05-17
So now Wheeler is a nobody whose beliefs are meaningless because he said the opposite of what you claimed? You just used the first part of his statement to try and squash the Seth Rich conspiracy...
n/a Surfdetective 2017-05-17
Go back to stormfront Trump boy.
n/a hellfirenyctophobe 2017-05-17
Why would you expect Trump supporters to like Stormfront? They're not the ones who use Stormfront's rhetoric.
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n/a rmwe 2017-05-17
So, you have a guy saying he lied about something and actually has no evidence - but you want to believe it anyways so you post the very quotes he just said we're lies as refutation. Amazing.
n/a marcysharkymoo 2017-05-17
The title of the article says he was misquoted, your reply clearly makes it seem he refutes any connection between him and wikileaks.
Your post is deliberately misleading to make it out that the PI doesn't believe there is any connection. However there is a video of him saying he does...amazing.
n/a Lezzles 2017-05-17
Why does it matter what he thinks? Is he now the guy who gets to decide if it's true or not? He knows as much as anyone else - fucking nothing.
n/a marcysharkymoo 2017-05-17
He is a private investigator who was investigating this incident, so his view is important and probably knows more than us on this.
Why are you so angry over this? You were deliberately misleading in your post and I called you out for it.
n/a Lezzles 2017-05-17
He absolutely does NOT know more than us, that's the entire point here. His view is meaningless and reflects (like all of us) his personal biases which are on record.
n/a Surfdetective 2017-05-17
He knows nothing,he is a fox watching ass kissing bigot,like yourself.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-05-17
Proof they have a computer or you're a trump bernie sycophant or a shill
n/a Lannisterr 2017-05-17
Source?
n/a Vienna1683 2017-05-17
The_Donald
n/a Lannisterr 2017-05-17
Lol
n/a LaCo29 2017-05-17
They actually don't have the laptop lol that John wheeler guy was lying. He's a normal FOX contributor, how can anyone not see these tricks?
n/a AllTheWayTrump 2017-05-17
Thanks for clearing that up. What would the world do without you. /s
n/a jaspersnutts 2017-05-17
Rod Wheeler. And he said that both the FBI and DCPD claim to *not have the laptop.
Jesus, if you're gonna spread disinformation at least make sure it's not so easily debunked.
n/a toxic_banana 2017-05-17
Because it wasn't a botched robbery.
n/a onlyhere4trump 2017-05-17
Not the police, the FBI took his computer for forensics.
n/a DoesNotTalkMuch 2017-05-17
They didn't. It was made up two days ago, and they were supposed to prove it yesterday but never did.
n/a TheZerubbabel 2017-05-17
I have read almost everything I could about Seth and Trump/Russia. Could it be possible that both are true? Do I have to pick a side? I do not trust the government. They have proved over and over again that trusting the government is foolish. People in government don't even trust the government. I think all of us know this. So why would you trust either side? Left/Right they report to the same master. Just one side worships Satan and the other Lucifer. Don't get caught in their net. As long as we fight each other we can be blindsided. The truth is all that matters, if you want the truth we should be working together. The Right focus on the aberrations with the Seth investigation and the Left should keep pressing for full disclosure with Russia.
n/a jimmydorry 2017-05-17
How could the narrative of Russia hacking and leaking DNC emails be true if it turns out they were leaked by Seth Rich? Genuine question.
n/a TheZerubbabel 2017-05-17
If that turns out to be true, great! The truth trumps all (no pun). But it seems if one cancels the other, then both conspiracies need to come to a conclusion.
n/a letsgetphysical_ 2017-05-17
This murder was not meant to look like a botched robbery. It was meant to show dominance. This is TPTB dragging their balls over DC police department's face. They told them to stand down and they did. The police department care about the optics, so they came up with a half-ass robbery explanation. The perpetrators don't care about the optics. They are saying to us: "We own you."
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
That would be problematic, because the DC police aren't the only people who could investigate, and leaving evidence behind would be a loose end that could bite them in the ass.
n/a letsgetphysical_ 2017-05-17
You're not getting it. They have more power than anyone who would or could investigate them.
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
I think you're reaching a bit, if someone had hard evidence and released it to the public, it could easily lead to many problems for them. The rich don't want poor folks having a martyr to get behind and that is what Rich could easily become.
n/a letsgetphysical_ 2017-05-17
What problems? What is the public going to do? The public didn't do anything for Manning, Snowden, or Assange.
We're not talking about the rich. We're talking about global gangsters.
n/a an_actualiser 2017-05-17
For all TPTB's machinations and technology and guns -- and your scoffing -- the fact that they attach so much importance to controlling public perception imparts the extent to which they respect and fear its power.
The public is toothless when they feel, as individuals, that they're acting alone. That's why you don't see anyone rioting for Manning, Snowden and Assange -- the media are controlling the perception, making them figures of controversy (not to mention they're still alive -- unless that's a controlled perception as well). In such conditions, if you decide to take meaningful action, you aren't assured of anyone having your back or of your sacrifice having any real consequence.
But to know without ambiguity or controversy that your leaders are complicit in murder-- and knowing that everybody knows it-- takes it to a whole new level. You would know that everyone is questioning their pillars of trust and breaking free of the spell that the media has over them. And then you realise you know that noone would reproach you for snapping the neck of one of these gangsters, who's necks break as easily as anyone else's -- you would not then be an unsung hero rotting in a jail cell who's motives are lied about, but just the opposite -- and people would fight over who gets to draw first b lood.
The reason mafia methods gain so much traction is that they're able to isolate individuals, make them feel that they're acting alone against many who are organized around a common purpose (which is true). Change that, and the rest is easy.
n/a worktheshoot 2017-05-17
thats actually quite creepy. Someone dies and the cops take his computer? why? If I was shot in the street walking home, I would like to think my family would be ANGRY if the cops took my property.
n/a pornbama 2017-05-17
If they did, they did it with either a warrant or with the family''s permission, and to search for a possible motive. It's not like they're going to publicly release his browser history or charge him with downloading Game of Thrones episodes.
n/a bri9and 2017-05-17
because the Police take laptops and stuff when you are robbed. They like to add insult to injury.
n/a jaspersnutts 2017-05-17
Why take a laptop from your house if you were "robbed" in the street though?
n/a hect6r 2017-05-17
can you guys just accept for once in your life that everything not controlled by you is lying to you day in and day out?
n/a thakiddd 2017-05-17
Are you fucking kidding
n/a hect6r 2017-05-17
lol u wish
n/a jaspersnutts 2017-05-17
The police claim they don't have the computer. The FBI claims the same thing. Why hide it without any sort of explanation? All they'd have to say is "we're keeping it because it's part of an active investigation" but we haven't heard shit out of any of them.
n/a Lord_Holmes 2017-05-17
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/125871795#p125887977
Joe Capone the owner of Lou's City Bar, last place that Seth Rich was seen alive was in a private room of the White House 6 days prior to his death.
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1495/00/1495004263062.jpg
n/a allworkandlowpay 2017-05-17
Why was his laptop taken from his home when he was robbed and killed on the street?
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
If it was, it was to search for a possible motive. If his laptop was at his home and went missing, who had access and when?
n/a DukeNukemsDick- 2017-05-17
If it was an assassination, why wasn't he killed on the spot? Why would the assassin not at least try to make it look like a robbery, and steal his stuff? No assassin would ever leave a mark like that 'almost dead'.
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
Ditto. This, as I've said before is my problem with the Assassin theory. My hands and wrists are sore from painting and typing all day so I'll just past my other comment here:
Why leave evidence that would point back to them and aid investigators, unless some other party had Rich Shot and have no interest other than muddying the waters and introducing doubt? Maybe someone in the DNC did it, but not for the reasons espoused, ( like a personal vendetta ) or it was another party altogether.
It's increasing hard to imagine the Clinton foundation employing amateurs when they are already under the microscope especially considering their wealth and reach, while I imagine the DNC would have the Clinton foundation's resources at their disposal and would likely leave them to choose who to employ.
Honestly, it's more likely that if either group is guilty, the decision was taken and executed by a compartmentalized group within the organization that might have the implicit support of whoever is in charge ( they would be an invisible part of that organization ) but operates outside their purview to contain the possible collateral damage and fallout.
That's how a group like that would operate within any of the letter agencies and those agencies would be the most likely sources of those groups personnel.
And if that is the case, any investigation would see these people charged with the crime, as Hillary or whoever would have plausible deniability. Whoever is in charge might not even know Themselves if it was someone within their organization as they would never be part of the decision process or even have personally met the people involved. They might not even be aware the threat assessment group (TAG) exists within their organization, it's not like they'll be at the company picnic.
n/a Zeteo9 2017-05-17
This makes me sick to my stomach. Is it true that police were told to stand down from conducting an investigation into Seth's
botched robberymurder?n/a RoboBama 2017-05-17
How do you botch a robbery, then shoot Seth twice in the back and then run? How did he end up facing away? Was he fleeing or did they spin him around and then shoot?
n/a thakiddd 2017-05-17
Why did the FBI retrieve his laptop for a robbery in the first place. It wasn't even a murder when police responded he was alive and talking
n/a wheelinganddealing 2017-05-17
Remember, they can't find his computer. The DC police says the FBI has it. The FBI says the DC police have it. That laptop has more than likely been melted down into slag.
n/a titiwiwi 2017-05-17
The police don't have Seth's computer, Seth's brother Aaron does. Ask him about it.
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n/a rocktogether 2017-05-17
I am sure they took the laptop to see if it could of been anything more than a robbery, but obviously so far the information they have found points to a robbery.
Also, I side with his parents that the DNC leak story is bogus.
n/a have_bot 2017-05-17
Could have
n/a Bmyrab 2017-05-17
Good question.
n/a FreeDennisReynolds 2017-05-17
If it was a botched robbery, why haven't the Democrats been making him the poster boy for gun control?
n/a Bootyfullkd 2017-05-17
To those of you assholes who say we are JUST NOW MENTIONING SETH RICH ON THIS SUB -examine this post of mine from FIVE FUCKING MONTHS AGO AND SUCK OUR COLLECTIVE DICKS ON BEHALF OF PATRIOT SETH RICH
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6btpor/to_those_of_you_assholes_who_say_we_are_just_now/
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n/a CelineHagbard 2017-05-17
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n/a Darth_Apache 2017-05-17
Dahboo 7 posed this same question... Really tripped me out.
n/a NeonAardvark 2017-05-17
It makes perfect sense to seize the laptop of someone murdered in a simple random street robbery but to not even examine DNC servers which were hacked by the Russians.
n/a PM_ME_YOUR_DICKS_GRL 2017-05-17
He was. It was posted last time /r/t_d tried to make that argument:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-Northwest-DC-386316391.html
n/a Vienna1683 2017-05-17
If this narrative is not coordinated how come you are all using the same talking points?
n/a rmwe 2017-05-17
Clinton did mention it. The Rich family has been very consistent in their desire for peace and not being in the public eye. They could have requested he not be used for political purposes.
n/a KCdraft 2017-05-17
maybe it was "some Puerto Rican guy" who killed him? https://www.hulu.com/watch/266073
n/a WooTs_67 2017-05-17
That would be a truck
n/a Telenerd 2017-05-17
It's a weapon of protection. That's why they exist.
n/a DontTreadOnMe16 2017-05-17
At least in this case the guy actually put his name on the line.
As opposed to all of the "anonymous intelligence sources" that the entire Russia/Trump conspiracy theory is based on...
Also, you're wrong. At least one (notice, anonymous) "former law enforcement official with first-hand knowledge of Rich's laptop" confirmed that.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/amp/dnc-staffer-s-murder-draws-fresh-conspiracy-theories-n760186
n/a Vienna1683 2017-05-17
Why should she?
n/a GreshamGhoul 2017-05-17
So if I let the police do their work to find a friend's killer, I'm at fault? I should put up a reward for the killer or else I'm fine with letting them remain on the streets to kill again?
n/a I_Lurrve_Science 2017-05-17
Anyone who doesn't put up a reward is fine with murder? Brilliant logic. He was one of tens of thousands who worked in the same party as her. Maybe if it was someone who worked directly with her you might expect a reward, but not for someone she had probably never met.
n/a dankmeeeem 2017-05-17
well what did you mean by this then? I thought you were referring to something else too.
did your read any of those links? Those were just the top ones that show up on google. Their narratives are all similar to this one. Im not going to say theres zero chance of assassination BUT until there is, Im saying just a coincidental robbery gone wrong.
n/a undesirabledesires 2017-05-17
There were 2 "robbers".
n/a HempCO719 2017-05-17
This just in: Meth head changes course of human history by robbing the exact right person at critical point in election.
n/a Encyclopedia_Green 2017-05-17
Its not plausible. Its not likely. If you actually really do believe that he is the leaker then your not Media Matters. Your just a fucking moron. I actually live in a city where the possibility of getting robbed is a reality. People do not get shot for running. They get shot for fighting back. Which, based on the locations of the bullets, and the fact that there was no report of muzzle burn(which would indicate the shots were point blank) is not possible.
n/a randersononer 2017-05-17
I guess it is plausible, but it is incredibly strange that Seth's wallet was not taken at the very least.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-05-17
So your proof is that liberals aren't evil Trumptards who would use a death as a political dagger?
n/a wolfamongyou 2017-05-17
He was out late at night/early morning after getting drunk at a bar. It's rather unlikely he had his laptop on his person, and even so if he tried to run he wouldn't get far. As far as gunshots, they could have him down and still have plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do before the police show up.
n/a RentsBoy 2017-05-17
Drugs like meth are extremely uncommon in DC - virtually impossible to get. Hypothetically it could've been the PCP down there, but nobody is scared on that shit if you've already commited murder. Take this from a former junkie from that area around the time this occured.
n/a antibubbles 2017-05-17
meth was just an example. pcp, heroin, crack... formaldehyde?
a lot of drugs make you squirrely.
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n/a Vienna1683 2017-05-17
Then why aren't you doing what you want her to do?
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