Thanks for this post Ive noticed alot if the userbase is younger, and woefully unfamiliar with history, and it seems the more radical they are, the less they actually know about the history of the cause they espouse.

This is what I aspire to do as well. Bravo, sir. Glad to hear this is one of the paths that the red pill can lead to.

I'm almost the same age and fully agree. It's also worth mentioning that in and around most those infamous assassinations were any number of other highly suspicious and unusual deaths of certain key individuals who were close enough to those events shed far more light on them than what any of the official statements had to say about them but who never lived to tell the tale. There are any number of glaring discrepancies and more than just a whiff of a conspiracy and cover-up surrounding virtually all of them, not to mention subsequent developments that each of them could be seen as standing in the way of that proved to be highly profitable for certain people once they were out of the way. All, of course, simply attributed to nothing more than pure coincidence.

It is as if there is a conspiracy by organisations like fox, breitbart, infowars and zero hedge to deliberately spread false information and fake conspiracies so that we don't look too closely at the real conspiracies that are happening.

And that is why I joined this sub. As Watergate proved, as the 'war on drugs' proved, our government doesn't tell us crap and gets away with far more than it should. And yet instead of forcing the government to spill its secrets and removing anyone who commits such scandals from office, we keep electing the same corrupt liars.

But instead of proving a pure truth, people are instead politicizing the sub to prove their personal truth. They discredit one side of the government to make the other look better, instead of showing exactly how wrong both parties are.

I feel this competitiveness stems from the two-party system. Instead of giving us multiple choices, it instead polarized politics, to the point that many people see it less as the drive for a better country and more the drive to see your side win a competition.

I agree wholeheartedly

I would describe my own life as one continuous search for the truth and for improvement in the quality of life.

I am with you in the spirit of the search, and (sigh), I am not far behind you in terms of years of searching - and the quest goes on...

To me, the most frustrating part has not been the lack of discoveries, rather, it is that the VALUE of such discoveries is indiscernible to those who lack the understanding of the historical and political contexts in which such gems are set.

It's like trying to explain the significance of a microchip to a bunch of illiterate medieval peasants. They may be sincere in their interests, but having no grasp of relevant context, most just aren't going to "get it".

That's okay, I suppose. The fascination is in the search itself, and the "reward" comes when, on rare occasion, we enlighten others as well.

Carry on, my good man!

Hear, hear. I'm not as old as either of you, but I've made it a point to study history and philosophy and am on the same page.

We have to convince enough people to want an objective and better world free of this elite - so that alchemical process can take shape.

Did you know Jesuits took then all out?

Check out r/RomeRules

Lamest attempt yet that I've seen for that disinfo.

Can you construct an argument it's disinformation shillbot?

Can you elaborate o wise soul

Haha, you even edited! Very amusing.

Yeah cause you hurt my feelings by calling my comment lame

That's the human condition.

I think this post should be a sticky.

What do you think /u/IntellisaurDinoAlien /u/sabremesh ?

Just a thought, if you summon two of the British mods at 4am only the one who has insomnia will answer you.
I recommend asking in modmail, I agree it is worthy though.

<3

Ive noticed alot of the userbase seems to be younger, and woefully unfamiliar with history

They've grown up with nothing but lies. Lying teachers, news, social media, government; it's amazing that anyone can wake up in this culture.

even worse, they have no desire to research history.

They think they know it, or they think it's boring because they schools make it boring on purpose.

Media has always pushed the male 'too cool for school' or the sterotype of the dumb blonde since its inception. Leads to questions about who controls the media...

It all starts around the turn of the century when the British really make their move to re-take America. The very early stuff from Hollywood isn't degenerate.

More info on British retake?

Caroll Quigley's "Anglo American Establishment". Review.

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE DISBANDED THE COLONIES

THE BRITISH EMPIRE WILL RISE AGAIN

LONG LIVE THE QUEEN MUMSY

Whoa easy with all this "they" nonsense! Aren't we not supposed to group people together?? I'm a millennial who relearned all of my history after my first conspiracy breakthrough that made me stop and ask myself, "Well what the fuck else are they lying to us about?!" and realized many things they taught us in school are bull shit.

Once you know the players of the game, going back over history is not only fascinating, but goes so much deeper than just 1 chapter in 8th grade.

My post was an attack on the schools, not young people.

My apologies, I meant to reply to u/AntiHasbaraUnit comment above.

I'm a millenial myself and did the same. But you have to be honest that things would be going differently if the majority of the population wasn't lazy and completely dumbed down. Users on this sub are a tiny little minority in relation to the overall population, they aren't representative of the majority.

Great point. I hated the French revolution. Now I realise it's most fascinating a is purposely taught to make it unbearable.

Even the school system couldn't make the Russian revolution boring thankfully

Great point. I hated the French revolution.

Wrong team got ahold of that one. Girondins were supposed to make it like the American Revolution.

The problem doesn't stem from a lack of desire. The biggest issue is relative to the awareness of the information and it's daunting depths. One thing that this generation has the most exposure to is information and this over exposure has consequences.

One consequence is over inflating information. Another consequence is the exaggerated expectation of infallibility when speaking in regards to any event or subject. Online or in person you are expected to be an expert in your field if you have any a semblance of knowledge regarding the topic. Because it's impossible for everyone to be an expert in everything, but wholly acceptable for someone to be completely ignorant on a subject, this encourages people to reject learning.

This avoidance of self education as a defensive mechanism not only fuels ignorance but also breeds misinformation. Misinformation comes from echo chambers filled with individuals uninterested in meaningful research and only concerned with absorbing information quickly from a trusted source that is assumed to have processed the information. The processing of this information distills the data and research into a true or false answer to the question - "Should I like this?"

Learning for the average person is difficult. I say this because if it were easy the worlds populations would be much more educated than they are. Cultures can surely sway that difficulty but it's a universal constant for life to find the easiest path to follow. I suppose this pathing, which is always compared to a river's flow, could go a step further. Our current environment with education and information has become so immense humanity is still struggling to keep up. Instead of the rivers of human understanding living in a flood plain they exist in a canyon.

There is a young guy at my work, the news was on in the background and u was thinking I know bush and co. we're very bad yet these dudes still young thinking president puppet trump (or killary) is normal.

Poor sod

maybe i will change the subject now. but what happend to hitler? did he die in the bunker or are there something to the Argentina rumor's?

but what happend to hitler? did he die in the bunker or are there something to the Argentina rumor's?

Not entirely sure, but almost 0 chance he died in Germany. He was a Rothschild plant, and Argentina is a very likely place. There were reports that he was there.

do you know if he got any children/grandchildren ? and if so are they in the game still ?

There's lots of reports about things like this. I haven't taken the time to decide if they're true, because they're not particularly important to the current situation.

lmao

You can laugh away, but make sure you look into it. James Corbett is very well-respected here, did an AMA. And he has a video where he explains that Hitler was a Rothschild.

👌😂 Thanks I "will look into it"

We never even learnt about history after the 19th century. It was all left out, they didn't even try to wash our brains with propaganda. I had to learn it all by myself.

I strongly recommend anyone in here spend a lot of time on history. Most of the narrative behind the facts we learn is BS, and it clouds our view of the present.

Oh come the fuck on, you think it was easy to wake up in the 50's or the 80's? McCarthyism or the Cold War was a great time to question things? Who are you going to talk to about the JFK assassination in 1971? Where are you going to post about it or discuss it or read about it? Maybe you get lucky and come across a book by like a Gary Allen or similar, but what are the chances?

Oh come the fuck on, you think it was easy to wake up in the 50's or the 80's?

No. There was no internet, and media was under CIA control. That may have been the worst period in our history.

Who are you going to talk to about the JFK assassination in 1971?

Mae Brussell started in 1971.

Who are you going to talk to about the JFK assassination in 1971?

I was a big WBAI listener in those days. Pacifica radio was one of those internet-before-there-was-an-internet things.

I think one of the biggest unaddressed conspiracies of reddit.com is that the reddit administration continues to push the idea of a majority userbase in their 20's. I remember a survey done back in 2010 or 2011 and they couldn't wait to publish the results and show everyone how "cool and hip" the userbase was. They published all sorts of data, including professions, etc...

It is my humble opinion that reddits current userbase (for at least the last 2 years) is predominantly high school kids and the second largest demographic is middle school kids.

See "How Reddit was Destroyed" to witness a very deliberate and systematic approach to turning this website into the bought and paid for garbage propaganda machine that we currently have.

This process created an online environment that aggressively pushed away the very demographics that allowed reddit to become the 4th biggest website on the planet. So what we have, just like Facebook, just like Youtube, and every other popular social website is history is an exodus of the founding group (ages 17-35) and the entrance of the next group (ages 9-25) and once this second group with an average age of 15 or 16 decides to leave, then we will see (again like every other social media platform) the entrance of the 35-70yr crowd.

Right now, reddit has an average age of 15 or 16 years old and the greater majority of them are from the US and Canada (probably over 75%).

These are people who were literally in diapers or not even born during 9/11 and who are currently knee-deep in the (completely outdated) indoctrination system known as North American high school.

They use social signaling as a way to identify themselves as part of the "cool group" and this is never anything but jumping into the latest circlejerk pool while screaming "cannonball" so that as many people as possible see the splash they make.

Its all about being "in" and "in-the-know" by blindly repeating the latest meme news which has been manufactured by the globalist who control the mainstream media (and reddit and facebook are both now pillars of mainstream media), and then this human weakness is further manipulated by the appearance of a fake and manufactured "peer consensus" which is the product of NYC Craigslist ads and Washington DC "think tanks" combining to put tens of thousands of people into what used to be called a "call center" but is now refitted to be a online propaganda machine where the employees get minimum wage, type from scripts, have managers in the know coordinating attacks, and directors above the managers getting the daily orders.

Believe me I know, I used to work in one of these centers. Nobody even questions what they are doing because we get a paycheck and the promise of overtime (time and a half) hours. I once brought it up at lunch and my little group of work friends showed a cognitive dissonance so thick that I literally got frightened by the reactions and dropped the subject.

So it is not just "high school kids" allowing the information age to turn into lies, it is also the college age kids and above who turn a blind eye and who will do anything for a paycheck because of the times we are currently living in, a world where Wall Street greed and corrupt Western-led politics caused a global meltdown of the world's economy.

Which is another thing, none of this majority reddit userbase even has a fucking clue how different it was being a kid in the 70's, 80's, early 90's, etc... or how much different the US (and by default world) was before 9/11.

They cannot even conceive of those times because they have no memories or experiences to compare. So while these people have no concept or clue how much shit we have all been smeared with, they are simultaneously being brainwashed by school, the internet, real peers, mainstream media, fake peer consensus, TV shows, movies, today's horribly wrong sponsored-prostitution of the word "science" and a million other things.

All the while those very institutions whitewash pre-9/11 history right in front of our eyes. Something that no pre-internet generations could have ever seen so blatantly. But it doesn't matter, because we are now outnumbered on this website and the manufactured echo-chamber simply gets louder day by day. Becoming more and more effective by the minute. Daily online Two-Minutes Hates sessions brought to you by a masterful take-over of the digital world.

And anyone who says anything other than the daily circlejerk gets their opinion shoved behind a collapsed icon or behind a [deleted] sign that you don't even see if you are signed in. And since I have had hundreds of comments shadow deleted like this in the last 2 years, I can only imagine how many people's opinions out there are being deleted daily on this website and they don't even know it because they never even considered checking.

And the scary thing is that it is comments like this being deleted. Don't get it twisted and think I am talking about "da Jews" or being rude or insulting. It is literally comments like this one, and so I will check every hour or so to make sure that I can still see when I am signed out.

Heed my warnings. I, like most of the old-school crowd on this subreddit and website, have been pushed to my limit and rarely even post anymore. So its a damn effective system they have running here. You have been warned. Nothing good can come of this. If you want one piece of advice from me: travel. Leave wherever you are from and see the world, see how much you have been lied to, see how much you have manipulated since birth by party politics, nationalism, and an intentional highjacking of your baser instincts.

Once you leave the bubble, things suddenly start making a lot more sense. So do it.

Peace and love.

So when do you think the mass departure of the 15-18 ywars olds will be?

As soon as a new website pops?

Probably but social media sites are a huge gamble in terms of life span and when it falls apart

IG and Facebook seem to have had much staying power. And myspace was around for years

Thanks for this.

Amazing comment. Thank you.

[citation needed]

Anything to ignore the point.

Not everything real has a Wikipedia page for the lazy to click on.

What was the name of the online propaganda machine you worked at? A former call center employing tens of thousands of people would be something indeed.

Mine only employed a couple hundred but we were obviously part of a much larger system with many branches.

My managers would even brag about our numbers beating competing centers who were obviously doing the same thing as us, but spreading propaganda for the opposing side.

The name of the company was always something vague like compushare llc or richardson group, etc...

I even tried googling them back in the day and nothing came up.

Back in the day? How long ago did you work at one of these centers? You were really pushing online propaganda "back in the day"? And you can't remember the name of the place to worked?

Huh.

Back in the day = 2009

Do you know how many different jobs I had working as temp worker after the economy crashed? At least 12 in the span of 3 years.

So you essentially can't prove what you were talking about. Where did you get those figures and stats you were using? Surely they weren't pulled out of your ass and others can independently verify

No, but when making claims and arguments it's usually effective to provide evidence and citations. Otherwise you just described what you had breakfast for all we care.

First up,Wikipedia isn't the only place to find information on the vast Internet. You're either old or stupid if you believe that. So now, lemme see if I can get this right. You, random redditor, makes a ton of bold, wild and improbable accusations and you present them as facts. You utilize statistics etc, but yet when asked for verification you can't show a single thing to prove that you aren't talking out of your ass? Not a single thing? C'mon.

How about this. "The world actually only has 4 billion people and the higher numbers are made up by globalist shills to ensure they keep control of the resources in their countries and keep them flowing". You read that and it sounds magnificent and dandy right? But you want to independently verify this yourself and you ask me for a source or sources. Then instead of backing up my claims I just handwave that away and complain about ignorant sheeple. See how that works? Provide sources so others can independently draw the same conclusion. People who refuse to do that then rant when their bs isn't well-received or believed are the nuts that give conspiracy theorists a bad rep

"Propaganda" by Edward Bernays

Thoughtful and well written, thank you.

It is my humble opinion that reddits current userbase (for at least the last 2 years) is predominantly high school kids and the second largest demographic is middle school kids.

That isn't a matter of opinion, humble or not

Can you cite where those numbers are?

I am quoting what someone else said, and attempting to refute it... not sure what you're asking ME

Ahh, came off as though you were saying it wasn't opinion, but fact.

Oh, I see. I didn't realize the alternate interpretation...

Come on, even if this is remotely true you have zero evidence and no source.

You do realize I am quoting... right?

You do realize "That isn't a matter of opinion" is an ambiguous phrase that I apparently misread, right?

I know you misread it, that's like... why I pointed it out. Not sure what you think you're doing "turning the tables" on me, nor why you're apparently offended. You made a mistake, breathe.

And there is zero evidence refuting it. Also, when reddit is compared to other large social media websites, patterns can be drawn on how they evolve over time.

Zero evidence refuting it is a little like saying zero is a number.

How old are you?

Its also like saying: there are no published statistics either way so we can only draw from intelligent observation.

I'd remind you were discussing the actual age of users, which you cannot observe.

Isn't the burden of proof on the person making the original claims?

Im sharing my personal experiences and observations, I am not that concerned with proving anything to people unwilling to entertain ideas that currently have no proof either way.

Even reddit admins cant prove the age of the people on this site. They can only send surveys and hope the small amount who answer are not liars. And if reddit admins didnr like the results, I doubt they would publish them honestly. They have no agency monitoring them and they can say anything they want.

Yes, it is my personal opinion from witnessing reddit daily since 2010.

It is my own personal conclusion. I believe thats called an opinion in English.

Dude how right you are. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and the realization that other people are also aware. Weapons of mass destruction.

I cant remember how many times I started responding to stupid comments to just delete everything after realising the person I was speaking to was probably 13 yrs old.

I've lost track of the number of times I've been like "WTF is that person going on about" and then checked their post history, it's clear they actually are a shithead 17 yearold so it's not surprising they sound like one.

... I can't make any claims I was much better at that age.

I can't make any claims I was much better at that age.

I can't make any claims; I was much better at that age.

ftfy ;)

The condescension from this thread blows my mind. If you've decided 17 year olds are too young and clueless to be worth your time to type out a reply you either write long winded replies or you're just a shithead. But I mean you did admit that you were a shithead at 17 and some things never change I guess

I'm 17. Not all young people are clueless idiots...

Did I make the claim all you people are clueless idiots?

I think your youthful rashness and willingness to assume things that others didn't actually say is showing through.

I didn't say you said that lol. I saw people saying things about young people and I was just addressing that.

Honest question: If he's saying something that you feel like you should respond to, why does it matter if the other person is 13 or 33? The only fact that should matter is that you realized it's a stupid comment and/or argument to begin with.

Kids dont have the reference experience to understand things like war, politics or economics outside of entertainment media. Its futile to try and explain. Sure you can explain the concepts but those concepts take a different meaning when your children, your house, your livelihood are endangered.

Main reason why your first comment catched my eye is the fact that there are old people that don't really understand things either, and internet is famously full of idiots. As such, I just personally don't ever think about the age of the commenter as when it comes to online conversations, it generally doesn't matter. Some 13 year old can act wiser than some 33 year old etc. Maybe the particular 13 year old kid just happens to be interested in history and knows how to research stuff.

You do have a point though; younger people tend to not know enough (or particularly tend to not have enough personal experience) when it comes to things like global politics/economics - in certain topics the commenter's age and experiences will affect a lot of things. It's just that you literally can't know the other guys age without creeping through the persons comment history and whatnot.

I usually take comments at face value: if the comment sounds stupid, I don't care if it sounds stupid because of his age or if he just happens to be stupid. And on the other hand if it sounds wise, I still don't care if the commenter is 10 or 50 (unless it's relevant in the context, of course).

I fully agree with you on this. IMO it is an equally stupid behavior of older people if they dismiss and don't even want to discuss with younger people for the sole reason that they are young and thus not capable of understanding.

I personally think that you should always try to explain things and if you as an older adult refuse to talk to younger people then you have no right to judge them for not understanding things and you also have no right to blame them for being brainwashed by media etc.

If someone shows interest in something I'll try and explain it to them regardless of how old they are. If they want to argue or debate with me I'll do that as well.

A lot of it is more: "do I really want to type all this out and have a long drawn out back and forth with this kid?" rather than people being dismissive. It gets exhausting trying to explain all of the backhistory, and being hollered at by kids about how much of a nazi you are in the process doesn't help.

I can understand that and I agree with you. I do think though that every person deserves to be heard. Of course if someone behaves the way you described it then it is different. But if a kid / teen shows genuine interest then I feel older people should offer them answers or explanations.

Overall, I agree with you. Ignorance can come in all different packages. However, it seems like sometimes you can spot the young age without snooping.

It's not even total ignorance, even if they've done the research it just reads like a rote wikipedia entry. There is this compression of the timeline that happens. The spread out nature of events, nuance and color is lost.

That's ridiculous, I've met 13 year olds who have experienced more in life, have more appreciation for life and people than 50 year olds I've known. To write off an entire age group is like me writing off everyone over 55 because a lot of them are out of touch with technology, have lived sheltered lives without taking any risks and just insulated themselves with people and communities who all agree with their way of thinking.

why does it matter if the other person is 13 or 33?

If you do this long enough, you are increasingly able to spot someone with the intellect of a bag of gravel. You may have the urge to respond to something said, but you also have enough experience to realize you are wasting your time.

I remember thinking the same thing many years ago. I knew all the answers, could articulate them very well and interact with adults just fine and was often complimented on how 'smart' I was.

I had to grow older, much older unfortunately, before I understood the difference between being smart and being wise. People that stay curious about the world and continue to seek knowledge of all forms every day spend most of their time learning how much they don't know.

And now that I'm more than halfway through my journey in this life I start to get hints of the wisdom that people older than myself have access to. If you can imagine how you would treat a child and have a pretty solid understanding of its needs and motivations, that never stops happening and it is weird to see younger adults as children. When someone feels that moment of weirdness they'll usually say something like "When did I get so old?".

For me, I definitely get more humbled the older I get. I realize how little I know.

I also lose more respect for my elders consecutively. I remember looking up to people my current age when I was younger, thinking they knew it all. Turns out each time I reach a new stage in life I realize my peers are just as full of shit as they were at an earlier stage. Wisdom can come with age, but it usually doesn't.

That aspect had crossed my mind as well but I didn't want to muddle my message. I think there a plateau many adults reach when they've been around long enough that they feel secure in what they know and what they don't know.

From that plateau it's striking to see how many people are just batshit crazy.

This. And if you do respond instant downvote even though you contributing to the discussion. Up and downvote is just used now to hold the minority down. Follow the river stream or get fucked. This is why i dont like commenting on reddit.

Same here.

basically eternal september

If you're serious, the point of debating idiots is not to change the idiots mind but rather to affect the opinions of bystanders. It's about affecting the culture, not that one guy. He's just the target you practice on.

Amen

I'm only 21 so I'm part of the younger group on here and I'm not trying to be like "excuse me I'm not like everyone else," but it really does baffle me how many people don't care to go and look their shit up before coming on here (or anywhere else) and arguing with people about things they hardly know about. I came to this sub to learn more along with doing my own research; not to hear about how the earth is flat "because I say so and this video quality sucks." I am here for comments/posts like this because it's some pretty important stuff and it really makes you think so you can go look further into it as well and understand.

I can't sit here and say I know what happened in history before 9/11 changed the world considering how young I am, and that's all the reason to fucking do research rather than grab a story out of a high school history book and base my beliefs and knowledge on it. I have questioned my parents' political stances and others to understand both sides and to form my own beliefs and opinions.

Part of that research is talking to older folks you meet. Next time you want to go out, find a local dive bar. Somewhere with people ~40+. Find someone who doesn't mind chatting it up, buy em a round, and ask.

That's a terrible way to try to learn about history unless you do it consistently, at random, in multiple parts of the country/world.

Id never suggest the only way or even the main way to learn history. I only suggest taking to people who lived through things you, being younger, did not.

Guess I didn't word that right. Whoops.

But I will also say I was 23 when 9/11 happened and new information has been trickling out over the years that has made me question everything. The stories we are told at the time don't always match with reality. Regardless of party and bias I think we should all be concerned with the amount of power the MSM has over thought and narrative- it is highly likely to damage the threads of our society in unimaginable ways.

Everything need to be questioned.

Yes exactly, everything needs to be questioned. MSM is so powerful and has been for years. Yet with how obviously corrupt the American government is, people will still give whatever benefit of the doubt there is.

You mentioned you don't post often anymore but please keep this up. What a wonderfully insightful comment, thank you.

I am interested in this propaganda center you worked in, have you written more about this in the past or can you point me to any further reading?

I wrote about it extensively using a previous account. I knew people would ask about it but I learned from the last times that its damn near infuriating to post about it. I will get flooded by accusations and people demanding more no matter how much I write.

Believe me, these places exist. I got hired through a temp agency and I still have no idea how they got my resume. I was 25 at the time and living in the East Village, Nyc.

But you still don't know, or can't recall, the actual name of the company you claim to have worked for.

No, I just don't care about telling you.

The internet has done wonders for pathological liars.

Do you not believe him or that these kinds of places don't exist at all?

I know they exist, I've employed companies that do it, LYFE Marketing for example, unlike him I don't just say something and when asked for anything that corroborates my statement, try to deflect and avoid the question all together.

fair

He's making it up.

I was just reading a review of a book at Goodreads and I couldn't believe how dumbed down the site has become. Review after review is littered with stupid gifs, memes and just "Luuurrrvvvv Edmond Dantes, he's soooo keewwllll, hihi, thousand heart emojis". That's when I realized that most of the reviews were written by teenagers and that I could just forget the site.

I agree so much with your comment, sadly, the quality of a site declines when it gets overtaken by dumb teenagers. It's not fair to call all of them dumb, there are surely many that could write well thought-out comments or just produce quality content without using thousand emojis and memes.

I'm almost thirty and I got to know teenagers that are serious, hard working, well educated and who have a clear grasp on the world. Sadly, this doesn't seem to apply to many that comment here on reddit.

I wonder if there has ever been such a rapid decline of living quality within a few generations. Who knows, maybe this is why today's teenagers are so incredibly dumbed down. At least they know how to contour and put their photos on instagram.

Learning about the past must be very painful for millenials, at least it is for me.

It is also painful for me as a parent to see how little opportunity there is for the younger generation and how much society has actively cultivated hate and disrespect for them. That is the part I absolutely do not understand. What kind of society denigrates and hates its own young?

Of course there are going to be a few bad apples, but by and large they are no worse than any other generation and have less opportunity to improve their lot. I am fortunate the my kids are managing well and most are in (or were in) a state that still has some opportunity for the younger generation. But if they had been born a decade later, then I think it would have been even harder for them. It is just getting worse and worse.

Yes, this is awful as well. What's even more painful is if parents act as if the youth is just entitled and lazy, when they ignore that everything was handed to them on a silver platter and that times have changed. The society not only shuns the youth, but older job searchers are also humiliated. No one will take them because they cost too much or because they're too experienced.

It was long portrayed as "progress" when all the manufacturing jobs were outsourced to the East. Now we're left with shitty service jobs like retail or waiting tables or completely superfluous jobs like "food stylist" or "personal shopper". There are few meaninful and satisfying jobs (like doctors, police men, nurses, teachers) left and they're mostly financed by the state, which is sadly shrinking. We're all caught in a vicious cycle and we're all going down the drain collectively.

I think it's problematic to call a whole generation "bad" or "good", but we can't deny that a baby boomer will have a different experience of life than millenials who live among the scraps of what has been once a successful civilization.

I think much of the hate is largely toward the group that are so often in the press, especially in the universities. Where it's just a liberal minded circle jerk and thought contradictory to it is just shut down asap.

And I would disagree on having opportunities to improve "their lot". I'm 27 and have so many more resources for improving myself and my economic status now than when I initially came out of high school. It takes research and a willingness to relocate for job or school opportunities. If you contain yourself to a local sphere then yes, you're going to be limited. I left home at 19 with $200 and a duffle of clothes to start my life over and now make on average 55k a year. Opportunity is everywhere.

AMA request

You are the age of my sons. Yes, for that age group, I think there was some opportunity, at least in some states. In many states, such as NY and particularly on Long Island, the chances are slim and the pay is really terrible relative to the cost of living. For people that already have made it, it is fine, but for someone starting out it is really poor. OK, on the other hand, has much more opportunity for the young.

But it shouldn't be that way. That you have to throw your whole life away and bend over backwards just to get by in a decent way. Not everyone wants to leave their home and family behind. I moved away, but it shouldn't be forced upon those who don't want to.

These people shouldn't be called lazy. It's a sign that something is seriously wrong in our society. We have a surplus of food, energy and everything that is important for human life. Yet we are brainwashed that we are "lazy" if we don't contort ourselves completely. It's the system that's broken. This brainwashing is just to divide the population, to make us hate each other so that we don't see who the real perpetrators are. The politicians and CEOs who make the system are those that we should hate, not the others who struggles just as much.

I agree, the system is completely broken. That, however, doesn't mean that opportunity is going to be the same geographically. To think that opportunity should be or ever will be the same for everyone no matter where you live is just delusional. The job market and solid post-secondary education is always going to be completely different for say Dothan, AL and San Francisco, CA. You can't honestly make the comparison in either regard. Sometimes you DO have to go where the work or education is.

Thank you America for fucking up the world sincerely the rest of the world.

It's the EU and NATO too

Great comment. Thanks for sharing "how Reddit was Destroyed" as well. Have just spent a lot of time in there.

That's fine and dandy, but can't you also say that because you're a conspiracy theorist, you also live in a bubble? I mean, this sub has already been taken over by the Donald so what merit do you have? Pizza gate is a huge one here too. And now Seth Rich. And before that, Sandy Hook. It's ridiculous. There's no evidence at all for any of the three I've mentioned. And you know why? Because it's all right wing propoganda and the most gullible ones ate it the fuck up. You don't have to investigate because there's no evidence. You're making this sub a joke. It has been for awhile since you let the Donald in here. This sub should be partisan free and you all screwed that a long time ago. So ban me. What do they say in the Donald? I DON'T GIVE A FUCK. conspiracy died a long time ago on this sub

You seem upset.

Everyone should be upset about the hoaxes and fake conspiracies perpetuated by t_d as they are a deliberate distraction from the actual conspiracies occurring right under our noses.

... distraction from the actual conspiracies occurring right under our noses.

Exactly. Like the conspiracy to deflect all blame for the DNC's complete failure to beat the incompetent nitwit Trump, and blame it all on "the Russians".

Actually, all the evidence that currently exists is supporting that conspiracy, not disproving it.

Show us some

Everyone should question what they read.

My stance is this: what's the agenda?

Why would I ever believe what the WaPo, NYT, or CNN say? Why should I believe what the 'big 6' media outlets put out?

TD has some things right, and some things wrong. That's why you, as a reader, should question and investigate yourself and decide for yourself what's true or not.

Honestly, it isn't even necessary to travel to know that we're drowning in a sea of propaganda: Much of it is self-contradictory and/or completely absurd. Certainly Reddit, itself, is not responsible for its contribution to this, but bending to the will of powers that could shut it down completely in minutes if it became a "threat to national security."

This same thing is happening to youtube. The community that brought the platform into the modern consciousness is being pushed away by the suits in favor of a new way to sell toys to kids. These toy companies were losing money due to the rapid development of streaming services, notably youtube that was free to use, so they just started dumping money onto anyone who sold the idea of toys on their channel, and made sure youtube would give them greater control over advertisement so as to prune the "undesirable" channels that provide controversial content that might hurt their image. It has gotten so out of hand, that some people rebrand their channels almost overnight from being vlogging/gaming/art/sketches to toy unboxing and reviews, all without any concern towards their former fans. Imagine you were watching your favorite show and then one day, all of a sudden, the show becomes some twisted form of itself with product placement all over, and crude jokes for children thrown around.

So every tv show?

It's so weird how much little kids like watching those toy unboxing videos.

Yeah my niece goes crazy for them, and for those channels that make fan shows out of the toys.

r/bestof

Why do you visit the site then?

Because to read between the lines you still need to expose yourself to the lines.

And anyone who says anything other than the daily circlejerk gets their opinion shoved behind a collapsed icon or behind a [deleted] sign that you don't even see if you are signed in. And since I have had hundreds of comments shadow deleted like this in the last 2 years, I can only imagine how many people's opinions out there are being deleted daily on this website and they don't even know it because they never even considered checking.

Seriously, this happens at a stupid rate. I am part of some subs where to say anything against the popular opinion is complete blasphemy, even stupid things. Here's an example: I'm part of a sub that talks about eating limited calories per day. Within this sub, there are people who go crazy about this particular brand of fake ice cream that has a few less calories so they justify eating a whole pint of it. I point out how ridiculous that is (when you can just have a normal portion of regular ice cream and not gorge) and I get downvoted and/or deleted to oblivion. And that's just on a silly meaningless type of thread.

You talking shit about Halo Top bro?!

Just kidding. Shit is pretty good though.

Hahaha, guilty as charged.

You're fucking with the money. If you don't fuck with the money you won't get 'deleted/spammed/ignored'. Try it. Next time you mention it, use another Brandname for your counterexample, the spam/marketing/propaganda people also don't fuck with the money, so your comment stays safe(r).

There were some joking posts about how that sub was actually just a giant advertisement for that particular brand. I'm starting to think it's the truth because I keep seeing it bumped at least twice weekly.

I know what you mean. I'm a member of two mom subreddits and my children are only partially vaccinated, the youngest completely unvaccinated. Those subs are rabidly pro-vaxx. Although abusive language and name calling is not allowed in general, when anyone who even dares question vaccinations posts, they are called names, insulted, and downvoted to oblivion. And, no one sees a problem with it - it's perfectly socially acceptable.

Forget politics.

Just notice how fast you get banned if you criticize on the sub of any currently trending TV show.

Well said

It only takes a generation to forget and enemy counts on that every time. It's impossible to win this machine without infiltrating the school and the media. Parents can help by teaching the children, but parents can be thrown off the board and then we are screwed totally, but there is always Hope.

the latest meme news which has been manufactured by the globalist who control the mainstream media

Every now and then I see hints of the old /r/conspiracy

That was the truest comment i've seen here on reddit. I agree with you completely. Thanks for putting it out there so articulately.

You might want to take look into alternatives such as Steemit. I know I'd love to read more about your views.

maybe this is just me but ive been really happy to see younger people on reddit finally.

Incredible comment that I heartily agree with. The newer generation is properly fucked in many ways when it comes to having the tools necessary to process information like people who grew up primarily before 9/11 when things were entirely different. Hard to recognize the country anymore.

The wall between op and Reddit bot topics.

Lol I was born in 89. So I was a child of the 90s. It hasn't changed that much. Honestly the biggest difference I see is that there's just a lot more fear mongering.

Also, I think OP is referring to seth rich. Really I would care if t_d wasn't spamming stupid horseshit all the time. They turned themselves into a crazies echo chamber and then want people to listen. The sitting president or his close associates collude to interfere with the election and there is actually quite a lot of valid evidence and they're like SETH RICH PIZZA GATE. It's like fuck off.

Great post. I'm also deeply frustrated, and older... but I'm less pessimistic. I think it's never been easier to research and discover our actual history. Things are going to change, but I agree that lately the dichotomy of corporate news vs. actual news is striking. The best thing we can do is talk to our elders, and our children, about the nature of the MSM.

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BRAVO!!!! Well said! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 The "Clueless Generation" Gen X here....I know what's up and teach all my kids and their friends. Read some shit! GET OUT AND EXPLORE....Ask elders questions AND take care of yourselves.... when SHTF , will you be stuck on the couch?!?!?!MAGA!!!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Actually as of 2016, 44% are over 50: https://www.statista.com/statistics/517218/reddit-user-distribution-usa-age/

Sure they are....

OP and myself are so there's two already.

Well why don't you show some cold hard stats proving otherwise?

Your comments resonates very strongly with me. The number of these kinds of comments have been reduced to about 1/month here which I manage to bump into. Being from a European country (not so different from the US brainwash but still) and having traveled a bit in my short life so far I can say your words hold a lot of weight.

There is something very scary happening with the people of the USA and I have not been able to put it into words. I was born in the 90's and have felt something strange missing in all of this. The world we have right now. The community is somehow missing, the sense of belonging. Historically it has been dangerous when young people don't have a place in the world. It makes me vary of the future. I just hope we make the right choices and go the right way.

Thank you for taking your time and writing your thoughts. It has made an impact.

There is a search engine I can't find right now that shows you the frequency of certain words used on reddit. Anyway, a couple years ago the word "tho" exploded. It was a clear sign that the kiddies had moved in to Reddit.

Eh. I've met teenagers who are hungry to be educated, or better informed on certain topics than many adults I know.

Hey friend, I'm in my late 20's and am finishing up my bachelors degree after taking a few years off in my early 20's.

I major in literature and I've fallen in love with critical theory. It's incredibly relieving to be able to approach social understanding in a structured way.

You're spot on with almost everything you said, especially the points about age manipulation. Young kids want to fit in and the internet lets them do that. If you can control that, you can get away with pretty much anything.

I'm not quite old enough to call myself yet but I supposed I'd be in the higher demographic.

I just wanted to one thing you've not mentioned; that is the new entrepreneurship streaming allowed. Teens trying to explain the world and things to teens.

If they're not on about the consumation of certain goods they'll give their opinions on 'ongoing things in the world' with a follow ship that state TV could - at times - only dream of.

Naturally the setup of these shows is all but thorough. Additionally it's admittedly also hard to not fall for some nutjobs' conspiracy stuff that solely pursuits his own agenda.

Anyway, the one I've learned - live your life in a fashion that you don't have to deal with regret when finally lying on your deathbed. The world has been spinning before us and it will do so after us. While the 'grander scheme of things' is in fact worrying, the small scheme of things is not. The latter also is within our power(s) to change for the better ;)

it probably depends on the subreddit, not many of 13 year Olds in subreddit about retirement, etc. ; but in r/funny, r/gifs, video game, cartoon, sports subreddits, yeah tons of young teens

So what website is the Founding Group on now?

Man you nailed it. Younger people don't understand me when I try and explain that things have changed in a major way since 2001. The incoming adults and high school graduates have a rough road ahead. Really we all do.

This post explains a whole hell of a lot to me. I once had a post in r/jokes that was highly upvoted, even got gilded. Next thing i know, it was [deleted], and i was scratching my head about it. It wasnt even political or anything, just a play on the joke in which the name was Francis.

So your argument is that in the 21st century, where we have modern forensics and massive advances in surveillance and identity technology, that it's less common now for an assassin to get caught than it used to be? I mean, all hose examples are extremely dated. Do you have a modern example of where an assassin was conclusively caught?

learn english.

Huh?

learn english.

lol you're adorable

Well personally, what I really think (as opposed to what I can prove) is that the 60s-era assassinations were exceedingly clumsy and obvious, and in the modern world an assassination is much more likely to be concealed as an accidental death, e.g. a plane crash.

I'm not so young, and up until about 10 years ago, I was completely blind to the other side of history. I watched a bunch of "boring " documentaries, read a few books, and I slowly began seeing the world differently.

I'm to the point now where I can't even turn the TV on anymore.

I see what they're censoring. They want you to believe political assassinations, false flags, distraction memes, etc. don't exist, and therefore aren't relevant to the current (bullshit) narrative.

I wish more people were seeing the things the same way.

Ha Ha. Yep. I once posted history about Abe Lincoln and his plan to re patriate the blacks to Africa. Some young kid replied , "please be a troll". I just replied back , "Google it".

Here's a great expose of the RFK assassination and it also talks about Lee Havey Oswald doubles. It's an alleged Government Intel document. Very thorough. www.stopthecrime.net/COMM%2012%20BRIEFING001%20(1).pdf

Learn History -- it's doomed to repeat itself.

Holy generalization batman

Generally, the youth of today are idiots. Pretty much anyone under 30 is just fuckin dumb.

I hope you realize how unintelligent you sound, making a claim like that. Who's the real idiot here?

as I said the youth of today are pretty fucking stupid. you appear triggered by that, does it hit close to home?

It's pretty safe for me to say about 75% of youth today are more intelligent than you are. You've fallen into the same trap the generation that came before you did; blaming everything on the generation that came after yours. They're all idiots, but your generation? Geniuses, every last one. Learn to think for yourself, stop being a fucking tool. Look at the real problems instead of opening your mouth and spouting idiotic shit.

Did you learn that from the other 14 year olds in your fantasy board game subreddit? did you roll a 20 sided dice to come to that decisiin?

Every one of your "arguments" is a personal insult, and yet you claim to be more intelligent than I am. Your ignorance is hilarious, and so are your pathetic attempts at insulting me.

stating the fact that you focus alot on fantasy board games isnt an insult...is it?

Don't play dumb, you clearly intended that to be an insult. Or are you going senile now? Forgetting what's going, you old fool? You're a fucking holocaust denier too, I can't even believe this. You're like a living, breathing joke. A walking punchline. Beautiful.

If you think that your obsession with fantasy boardgames and unique dice is an insult, maybe you need to rethink your life choices and hobbies. Yeah I think you are pretty fuckin dumb to spend so much time with orks and elves and bullshit. You can whine and cry all you like about the priwess of todays youth, but the fact remains you have NO life experience and frankly, you are a victim of a compromised educational system leading to your obtuse view that everyone but you is wrong. Anyhow, go catch a pokeyman and name him Putin or something, I dont need to talk to children with a bit of diaper rash anymore.

Get angrier, you old moron. It's really funny to read your insane rantings about the youth, and how the Jews did everything. All I can imagine when I think about how you look in reality, is some lonely old fuck, sitting at his ancient computer that he barely understands how to use, constantly crying and screaming about those "stupid youths and them damn jews!". Your ignorance is astounding and actually somewhat frightening, because you ACTUALLY believe this shit. You're an irrelevant, pathetic fool. It'd be best if you just shut the fuck up, rather than continue making yourself look like an idiot.

as Ive said, the youth of today is a pack of idiots, and all you do is reinforce my statements. Why so butthurt, does the allegstiin hit home? Have you heard it before? several times? from a loved one? hurry, your pokeymans are getting away.

Honestly, I'm just entertaining myself right now. You haven't even come close to making me mad, you're just making me laugh. The only "butthurt" one here is you, to be quiet honest. But hey, believe what you want. That's the beauty of the internet; you can be as stupid as you want, and no one can stop you. So go, old man, and be as stupid as we all know you are.

lol you are definitely butthurt ive accyrately tagged your age group as morons obsessed with fantasy noard games and pokeymans and woefully undereducated. and you say 'NU UH'

I've said far more than "NU UH", though I'm not surprised that your senile mind forgot, if you were even able to comprehend what I said in the first place. Anyway, I have far more important things to do than arguing with a senile old fool on the internet, so I'm gonna stop replying after this. It's been a hilarious time though. I'll leave you with one last thing. I am going to outlive you. My generation will outlive yours. Nothing you've ever done in your life will matter, we'll just toss it in the trash and live lives free of your foolish ignorance, while you rot in the ground, completely forgotten. You are nothing, and have never been anything. Have a nice day!

yes, you have pokeymans to catch and orks to battle. go polish your dice, dungeon master. dont bother learing about history, you can always whine cry and say Nu uh really loud.

LOL. So you're a troll or an idiot. Cool. Have a good one.

so, you are one of the under 30 idiots? are you a pokeyman catcher too? hows your facebook?

Obvious troll is obvious, 2/10.

if i was a troll, i was successful enough to rustle your jimmies. in actuallity, its more of a case that the truth hits very close to home, prolly mommys house.

So let's talk about Reddit instead of political murder.

what the fuck does that even mean? how do you have a 5 year account with inane statements like that?

How are you so stupid that you woke up this mourning.

all im mourning is everything you type. what a waste of pixels.

Everything? AntiHasbaraUnit is a decent person. Ahh You are correct. Lol

Thus, the lament over the minds of children.

a lot*

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present the Guardian Of Grammar.

Shop smart, shop S-Mart.

Which Letter is Asterisk?

My apologies, I will update promptly. I did not intend to confuse.

The veil of global democracy shrouds a deep rooted urge that has existed within man since the beginning... The desire to rule the world.

Thanks , appreciate you here .

A very important piece of wisdom here.

If you think that these evil deeds couldn't possibly be coordinated efforts by individuals of great power and influence, then you are exactly the reason these nefarians are able to consistently get away with it.

Evil and greed are real and have lead to the untimely deaths of many people trying to do good in this world.

We must become aware and accept how monstrous we can become as humans and correct it. We don't need everyone or even 50% of the populace to stand up, just ~10% and we can make real change.

Evil is amongst us. Realize it and let's defeat.

perhaps it is time for the doers of good to balance the scale.

That's interesting and all, but the list of people shot in bad D.C. neighborhoods at 4am is orders of magnitude longer.

You're putting Rich in a group that includes dozens but removing him from a group that includes thousands upon thousands.

Mysterious Deaths.

CIA Director William Colby

Sean Hoare ~ Murdoch Whisleblower

Deborah Jeane Palfrey ~ D.C. Madam

Mike Connell ~ Ohio Election Fraud

Paul Wellstone ~ Election, 9/11

Gary Webb ~ investigative journalist

Danny Casolaro ~ investigative journalist

Gary Caradori ~ investigating the Franklin Cover Up

Jim Hatfield ~ Bush author

Pat Tillman ~ Patriot

Hunter S. Thompson ~ Gannon-9/11-Intro to LC

Dr. Bruce Ivins ~ Anthrax

Lori Klausutis ~ aide to Rep. Joe Scarborough

Beverly Eckert ~ 9/11 widow plane crash

Dr. David Kelly ~ British Weapons Inspector

Barry Jennings ~ WTC 7 Whistleblower

John O'Neill ~ worked in WTC first day

Dr. David Graham ~ 9/11 Whistleblower

JFK Jr. ~ Journalist, Potential Candidate

Mel Carnahan ~ Democratic Governor of Missouri

Col. James E. Sabow ~ Whistleblower and Marine

Col. Ted Westhusing ~ Returning home from Iraq

Nancy Schaefer ~ Georgia State Senator

Raymond Lemme ~ Election Integrity

Officer Terrance Yeakey ~ Oklahoma City Bombing

Vicki Morgan ~ Reagan era call girl

Dag Hammarskjöld ~ UN Secretary-General

Michael Hastings ~ Rolling Stone, Buzzfeed Journalist NSA

Barnaby Jack ~ Famous Hacker

Seth Rich ~ DNC Wikileaks

Congressman Larry McDonald ~ died in plane

Tracy Lawrence ~ Financial Robo-Signing whistleblower

Ray Gricar ~ DA that never prosecuted Jerry Sandusky

Matthew Simmons ~ BP Oil Spill whistle blower

more political deaths tied the Clintons...

I wonder why Monica Lewinsky wasn't on this list..

Probably because she was likely an Israeli intelligence asset.

Can't wait till we see the headline RUSSIA BLACKMAILED TRUMP WITH PEE/19BILLION TAPES

Too public. Where is Linda Tripp though?

JFK wasn't?

more than important.

Rush Limbaugh, an obese opiate abuser and one of the most influential anti-Clinton media figures - particularly in the 90s - is alive and well. I can't imagine an easier guy to give a fake no questions asked heart attack/overdose to. yet apparently the Clintons chose to leave him alone and fake the suicide of Sandy Hume, the 28 year old son of Fox News's Brit Hume because...

Hillary can murder anyone but can't get Anthony weiner to stop sending dick pickz

Ronald Reagan was an actor, not at all a factor Just an employee of the country's real masters Just like the Bushes, Clinton and Obama Just another talking head telling lies on teleprompters If you don't believe the theory, then argue with this logic Why did Reagan and Obama both go after Qaddafi We invaded sovereign soil, going after oil Taking countries is a hobby paid for by the oil lobby

Killer Mike's spelling it out in this last verse of his song Reagan. Clinton doesn't decide who lives or dies, she, trump and everyone else is just there to take the blame from the other side while the real masters make all the decisions.

This. A millions times this.

Stop fucking freaking out about Clinton. She's a shitty actress. Her employers though, find em and flay em.

Technically, we (taxpayers & voters) are their employers, just not their masters.

You know what I meant and she's not in any office right now, so no.

I was referring generally to just about everyone in political office. I knew what you meant.

I read that in killer mike's voice, great song

Maybe the opiates were the attempt to murder him. Little did they know that shit is like candy to overweight baby boomers.

Monica Silsby ~ Researcher on child trafficking who "committed suicide" in Haiti

Monica petersen*

Laura silsby was the bitch who actually trafficked the kids, and got off the hook.

Whoops, thanks--really bungled that one.

It's all good, I glad so many people are taking an interest in spreading awareness for Pizzagate and pedogate. Keep doing your thing man.

Can I ask a question? does the tinfoil need to cover the temples, or does a general cranial cover suffice?

No no no...you have it all wrong...

You need to get as much of that tin foil up your ass as possible. That'll keep em at bay.

But watch this link first

https://youtu.be/5AdesKl4kz8

lollll

keep up the no breathing thing, it suits you.

checks self in mirror

you know what? you're right

Removed. Rule 5, 10. First warning.

you do realize that crazy shit like pizzagate actually undermines the efforts to find the killers of true victims like those on his list?

Silsby served time in Haitian prison on the least serious of the charges after parents of the children testified they gave their children to her voluntarily.

Yes, and they were told they were going to a refuge for children. That was not the case.

She was instructed specifically she would be charged with human trafficking if she carried on...

RIP Pat Tillman :(

Might be mysterious, but what's the motive for someone setting this up? Especially within the military itself

It was friendly fire, but if I felt there was a reason to kill him it would just be war propaganda, great hero dies in combat, everyone gets real patriotic suddenly.

I could also argue it's anti war propaganda, considering how pissed off some people were that friendly fire is allowed to happen since you usually don't hear about it. I don't think there's a motive.

What I read was that due to his status he was in a position to be big threat to the war propaganda machine due to his anti war sentiment. If I have a problem with war no one gives a shit about a grunt nobody, but if nfl star ranger American hero has a problem it could cause more issue. Interesting theory, just as likely true than not true.

His whole death is extremely suspicious. Friendly fire on a clear day? He was very anti-war and was booked to do a talk with Chomsky (I think) when he got back. He died before he could get back.

You're suggesting that the Army Rangers murdered one of their own.... because he was... liberal?

Really?

I remember reading that Pat Tillman was sending letters home about how bullshit the Iraq war was, and that all he was doing was guarding Opium fields. He wanted to be vocal about it when he returned back to the United States from his tour.

and..?

There are literally thousands of guys that did exactly that. That sentiment has been echoed by people much more famous that Pat Tillman.

Exactly, why kill the most famous person to have everyone be up in arms about how it could have happened lol.

Why kill anyone at all when no one cares about the message?

Never said that. Not sure who killed him, but even if it was Army Rangers who killed him doesn't mean it was Army Rangers who wanted him dead.

As someone from Az it was closely covered here for years. The fact that the the government tried to cover up his death in the first place should be telling. Second he was becoming less supportive of the war and more vocal on what was actually happening there. They couldn't have such a popular person that sacrificed so much to join the military giving them a huge black eye by speaking out against the war.

They tried to cover-up his death because that was 1 dead American they couldn't sweep under the rug like they did when they banned photographs of coffins.

That's all that makes sense. The military wants to prevent people from being anti war so they kill him and it's painted as friendly fire? Also why even bother since him enlisting was extremely patriotic and inspired many Americans I'm sure.

Yeah, he was just a busy guy who didn't see 9/11 for what it was, then got swept up in the propaganda, then got shot accidentally trying to be a hero.

Accidentally? According to the people who were there (and taking fire along with Tillman), there was absolutely no way the shooters didn't know they were firing in friendlies. Not to mention the ever changing story to back the entire incident. First it was enemy combatants, then it was friendlies with ARs and finally, it came out that he was likely hit in the head and face 3 times from incredibly close range.

ah, so the coverup was because he got killed by our guys.. wow

I have to admit that I know next to nothing about the controversy surrounding his death. I can find the official story, easily enough, with a quick google search, but would you mind linking something in-depth that takes a critical look at all of the information?

I remember hearing about this a while back, but I never picked up anything past the initial report. Hearing that this was a case of friendly is incredibly sad. I couldn't imagine being a soldier who realized he was being attacked by his own guys.

Here's a short article:

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pat-tillman-killed-by-friendly-fire-in-afghanistan

History Channel also did a whole Shooter episode on the whole thing.

Hey, sorry it took me so long to get back to you, but thanks a lot for the information. I remember hearing about there being something being... "off" about this story, but I was caught up in something else at the time. From what I remember, he was a true believer, and if he was really killed by his own guys... that's unforgivable.

William Casey, also a director of CIA, died of a mysterious brain tumor the day before he was due to testify on Iran-Contra - one more for the list

Holy shit.

What was mysterious about the brain tumor?

Nothing

It's not a grassy knollphoma then?

Gavin McFadyen - President of Wikileaks

Really though, Hunter S. Thompson? He was on the phone with his wife and his kids were in the next room when he offed himself. I love his writing but don't play like he wasn't disturbed and try to make something conspiratorial when it isn't

Hunter should be off the list and replaced with Micheal Ruppert..

"The question I am asked most frequently at my lectures is why I haven’t been killed yet. I have two answers. First, it is not cost-effective, and the response would cause more problems than it would solve. I am not important enough to kill.

Secondly, I will not die one minute before God has decided." Michael Ruppert Crossing the Rubicon

The man writes in his book that he's letting God decide when he dies, yet he commits suicide?

Maybe even god was tired of his BS

And leaves no note.

Yes, Ruppert would be on my list. He is one of several "suicides" where his so-called partner was rolled out and used a prop to quell any suspicion that he might have been murdered. The same happened with Michael Hasting's wife, and Aaron Swartz's mysterious girlfriend.

A few other "mysterious but convenient deaths" which were recorded as suicide or natural causes would be:

• Phillip Marshall - 9/11 whistleblower (suicided himself, his kids and his dog).
• Christopher Hitchens - Clinton mauler (virulent form of cancer)
• Hugo Chavez (virulent form of cancer)

Phillip Marshall was close with CIA pilots and was writing his second book on 9/11 presumed to go in depth on the no plane theory with eye witness accounts of the planes that were supposedly used in the attacks on 9/11 landing at a CIA airport in new mexico.

his murder is one that always stuck out to me

The only conspiracy regarding Rich is the one invented by Fox news.

The "private investigator" supposedly hired by the Rich family is none other than a bought and paid for analyst for Fox News by the name of Rod Wheeler.

Not only is he a partisan hack for the GOP news outlet, he is also the same dipshit who claimed on the Bill O'Reilly show that there was an epidemic of hundreds of lesbian gangs terrorising the streets of DC, a claim he was forced to admit was patently false when the evidence proved otherwise.

So.... You're not going to refute any of the evidence? Or is your only argument that you don't like the PI?

Seth Rich conspiracy fell apart within hours.

There was never any evidence at all that Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC, there was never any evidence that he leaked anything to the DNC.

The entire conspiracy subsits on innuendo and false information, and started in the halls of Fox News. It was obviously fake from the very start, yet because it made the DNC looked bad, the narrative was pushed by conservative media, a tactic they are well known for.

It's pretty well know Hunter S. killed himself the day he realized he was never going to be at his 100% best the rest of his life. He would rather die than to experience the mental deterioration that comes with old age.

This is the biggest tip this sub needs to hear.

Avoid the temptation to inflate things.

The world has a lot of sketchy shit going on. ONLY talk about that.

The minute you add something that's not quite a fit, the whole argument goes out the window because you lost your credibility.

What about those three Russian government officials that all died of heart attacks on the same day?

Everyone should copy & paste what they like and make a list of their own to have on hand when the occasion arises to post it.

You're incredibly naive or uninformed if you think Hunter S Thompson's death was suspicious. He was miserable for years and was an obvious suicide case long before he put the gun in his mouth.

Hunter himself said several times that he wasn't going to die of old age and was going to take his life when he felt he was done.

Him being on that list is batshit, even for this sub.

Reporting that somebody "suffered from depression" is invariably posited by the media (and unquestioningly accepted by MSM consumers) as some sort of "proof" that somebody committed suicide, case closed.

In reality only 3-4% of depression sufferers end up taking their own lives. Someone like Aaron Swartz, who left no note and was found hanged (the professional assassin's favourite method of staging a suicide) may well have been depressed, but he also presented a threat to some very powerful people, if the stories about his intent to blow the whistle on a huge paedophile ring are correct.

... HST himself always said, throughout his life, that he planned on offing himself. At first he said he'd do it when he was 50 years old, but when he actually hit 50 and realized it wasn't so bad, he put his suicide off. The comment about it being "obviously a suicide" has nothing to do with medias interpretation of his mental health or lack thereof, it's from the man himself's very own, well-known words and plans.

Scalia?

Holy crap I had almost forgotten about Barnaby. I remember how big of a shock to the community.

Pat Tillman? Come on.

He got killed my friendly fire and they covered it up because it looked shitty in an unpopular war.

It wasn't for any cause.

what about that Chandra chick?

Good addition. That was before the time I really started paying attention to this stuff. Feel free to copy & paste and make your own list to post from time to time when threads like this pop up.

sry, I got excited when I saw that her name wasn't there. It was strange bc she disappeared and was later found dead. I think she was an intern or something. I think the character on house of cards that was pushed into the oncoming train was based on her (maybe).

I would add Ernest Hemingway to that list. Although he probably actually offed himself, he was being tailed by the FBI for years and they were making his life a living hell. The FBI used to try to drive people to suicide, a famous example being the letter they sent to MLK shortly before his assassination.

Everyone should have their own list saved to their email or computer. It's a handy thing to add to and edit and share and many hands make light work on these matters. Thanks for the suggestions too.

What would be the motive for them to want Hemingway dead? I think I also left out obvious murders/assassinations like MLK, RFK, Malcolm X, and JFK. But you are absolutely right about the vileness of that letter and tactics used against MLK Jr. Peace.

Would be awesome to have people around like JFK, MLK, Malcolm X, and RFK to comment on our political system and progress as the years went by.

Instead we're left with unremarkable interchangeable talking heads. God, what a wonderful world.

Rachel Maddow makes me want to slit my femoral artery with a rusty spoon

Maybe just change the channel.

Or turn off the tv.

Or get rid of the tv.

This is always the answer.

Underrated reply.

Or sharpen the spoon.

Or turn off the tv.

Guys like him are why no one watches TV anymore

I'm not fond of her either, by why aren't you?

Me, too. The more I see her, I just wanna snap and give up. :(

Why? what's so off putting about her?

If you don't get it by now, you'll never get it. Go out and enjoy your Friday. I'm pretty fucked up and gonna forget about all this.

I get why people don't like the media, but why specifically Rachel Maddow?

She's by far not the worst imo.

We still have Bush Sr, and Kissinger.

This must be the place burning down the house once in a lifetime

You or I are the voice of our generation. Imagine if MLK or Malcolm X had the resources we have.

They'd probably have some relatively obscure YouTube channel with a passionate following but disregarded as "far left extremists".

Sidenote : You know who doesn't get assassinated? Switzerland

Despite being the banking, pharmaceutical, and governing capital of the Western world. There are no 'secret powers' that want to kill leaders of Switzerland, for whatever reason.

Mostly because their money is in Switzerland.

Same thing with Uruguay. Those people are all chill.

Wasnt switzerland set up to be a neutral place by those in power so when they fund and start wars they can just relax and watch it unfold in switzerland. Among many other things and reasons im sure

All the royalty was forced to live a life of exile in the majestic pristine mountains of Switzerland, after the fall of the Monarchical charades. At the time, every national Monarchy shared one common feature. Every one of their personal guards were Swiss, throughout all of Europe.

This is well recorded in the French Revolution, among others, where the Swiss Guard were the staunches defenders of the Royalty, legendary, really, even in battle prior to that, as the 'last line of defense', most well equipped, and most trained line of defense. Thus the Swiss choose to guard the Pope as well.

Among the unique features of Switzerland, such as $97,000 median incomes ( vs $29,000 US), no political assassination, mandatory nuclear fallout shelters, nationalized agriculture, strict environmental laws, liberal human rights, cooped industrial education, union employment, and only nation worldwide under direct democratic rule with a council of 7 Presidents; Switzerland was also the first nation to relocate their Jewish populations and burn them alive in order to take over the Banking Industry, in 1349.

Awesome thanks for the information I've been meaning to learn more about Switzerland's history after learning that they are the guards at the Vatican etc.

Study House Savoy.

Likewise, keep in mind unlike the 'national' borders of today, the rivers played a major part in trade and communication. Thus, lower France and the Rhine land are often influenced by the Swiss and can be seen as an economic unit.

Likewise, it's important to keep in mind they were the first nation to electronically connect every home via telephone wire, in 1898, well before many other nations, and are the international postal headquarters as well. I forget the name of the Swiss press, but that had a form of nationalized press for a long, long time.

When the US began it's CIA service, it was modeled, or upgraded, after Swiss style espionage, primarily lead by Allen Dulles who had spent some 20 years in Switzerland previously. After the Cuban Missile Crisis, he was fired by JFK prior to serving as a judge who shared the belief there was no grand conspiracy to assassinate him. The primary form of Swiss CIA was 'technological guerrilla warfare', where as prior-US CIA activities were 'service to nation'.

Rolex and the Red Cross are both Swiss Charities worth considering.

I almost forgot to mention, forms of what we'd call 'satanism' (Human Sacrifice rituals, slave master relationships, and occult imagery) are quite popular with Swiss elite, and was the chosen national celebration for the grand opening of the world's largest tunnel.

Lastly, however, their political system is a wonder to behold. Their constitution ratified around 1850, was guided on the principal of 'social direct democracy', with strong limits over executive power. For example, their council of 7 executives are not even permitted to join the EU, join TPP, or enter into any 'superstate' alliance without a national vote. Their form of Democracy is truly a wonderful system, and absolutely unique in the world.

Thank you very much for the post I will look into this. I just learned about the history of the Jesuits and Swiss recently so I really know basically nothing

There is so much there the Amish were founded in Switzerland I think, along with a very popular religion around 1940 that said white babies born stupid would become black, and black stupid babies would become monkeys. The theory of 'devolution', which stated that black skin color was a symptom of intellectual inferiority and was contagious.

http://www.expatica.com/ch/education/Education-in-Switzerland_100021.html
They seem to have education figured out. The US could have modeled their system, but chose to make up some new pile of crap, with committees of unqualified goons, sending us down the education toilet.
The US could have modeled any decent national system, or modeled any decent upper class private system, but went for experimental whims, based around committees of morons, and lots of microsoft profit.
Watch as American kids learn to have more feelings, and world citizenship programming, when we could have easily modeled a successful system.
It will only cost a trillion to belly flop into a cesspool of faeces.

that's fascinating, thank you

most national Monarchies shared one common feature.

Bloodlines you mean?

$97,000 median income...

Let's not forget they have the best gun rights in Europe

You forgot the best aspaect of being Swiss.

Switzerland's Direct Democracy

Direct Democracy can be defined as a form or system of democracy giving citizens an extraodinary amount of participation in the legislation process and granting them a maximum of political self-determination.

Hey, I'm new to the subreddit. Do you guys just believe every far fetched theory or is everyone playing along?

The subreddit is a conglomeration of personalities. Some believe there's a conspiracy by the rich to gain control over the masses and some believe the Earth is literally flat. Some believe that the path to Freedom is to seizing the means of production and others think Donald Trump is the god emperor.

I asked a question, didn't make any statement.

Are you new to english syntax as well as critical thinking?

Responding to a question with a question. Are you new to debating?

I think it started with Swiss mercenaries from way back. They were hired by everyone, excellent pikemen that could be bought by whoever.

I think Switzerland's status has been a result of lots of history. Maybe it is the kind of place you're talking about now, but I think that's due to how neutral they are as well. If anyone starts wars, Switzerland would be the place to be to watch it unfold. It's not because Switzerland caters to them as much as it's just the obvious safe place to be I think.

It's pretty interesting. It might literally be the result of 700 years of history.

Becass sey are a nootril guvensment

You know who else doesn't get "assassinated"?

People who don't wander around alone at 4 a.m. in high crime neighborhoods of Washington DC.

Can confirm; have never done this and have never been assassinated. Check mate atheists.

Not so fast. Have done many times and unless this is a bad m night shamallamadingdong movie I've never been assassinated either

Ah but you see, the twist to this M Night Shamwow movie is that there are no bad M Night Shamwow movies

Oh, and we've all been assassinated already.

Russian handler?

Wikileaks is a Russian asset.

There it is, folks. The new narrative. As predicted.

"SETH RICH IS A RUSSIAN SPY!!!"

Unfortunately for you, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that Seth Rich was patriotic as FUCK. Your new narrative is retarded.

Exchange the word "Russia" with "the Devil" and I think we have a new theistic ideology.

Really?

Uh, he was killed very close to his own house, which is one of the posh districts in DC. He may have walked through some bad areas, but ironically enough nothing happened to him until he was in his own neighborhood.

Try again.

Rich, a 27-year-old DNC staffer, was shot twice in the back at 4:20 in the morning on 10 July 2016 amid the run-up to the presidential election. Although none of his possessions were taken from him, Washington D.C. Metropolitan Police consider it a botched robbery attempt, because there had been a spate of muggings in Rich’s Bloomingdale neighborhood at the time.

Why don't you try again?

Switzerland hadn't supported the illegal occupation and murder of Palestinians for decades like RFK or JFK had done tacitly.

"I have a dream that you'll all buy Super Male Virility."

MLK was a republican.

MLK's politics were more complex than that.

Although King never publicly supported a political party or candidate for president, in a letter to a civil rights supporter in October 1956 he said that he was undecided as to whether he would vote for Adlai Stevenson or Dwight Eisenhower, but that "In the past I always voted the Democratic ticket."[260] In his autobiography, King says that in 1960 he privately voted for Democratic candidate John F. Kennedy: "I felt that Kennedy would make the best president. I never came out with an endorsement. My father did, but I never made one." King adds that he likely would have made an exception to his non-endorsement policy for a second Kennedy term, saying "Had President Kennedy lived, I would probably have endorsed him in 1964."[261] In 1964, King urged his supporters "and all people of goodwill" to vote against Republican Senator Barry Goldwater for president, saying that his election "would be a tragedy, and certainly suicidal almost, for the nation and the world."

The Goldwater nomination, along with Republican reaction to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, was also pushed conservative Jackie Robinson into the arms of the Democratic party. Robinson considered Republican support for Goldwater and lack of support for the Act to be a betrayal, an insult, and ominous for the future.

I doubt Kennedy would be a Democrat today.

I do appreciate the extra perspective though! :)

He'd be viewed exactly like Clinton today. Old money, obtained in often mysterious ways, connected to many political powers-that-be, and a very centrist platform.

Im glad he ran all those years ago and is hailed as a great man, as opposed to a monster like Hillary.

It's obviously not the old money people hate about the clintons since the get votes; but their constant lies and assassinations as well as stupid moves world-wide. They are puppets to fuck-heads like Soros and Podesta.

There was concern Kennedy was a puppet of the pope, but that was baseless.

Hillary Clinton campaigned for Goldwater while Bernie Sanders marched with MLK. Wonder who's on the right side of history?

Hillary was 16 going on 17 when she campaigned for Goldwater; Bernie was in his early 20s when he became involved with the fight against segregation.

I hope we're not holding us to what we believed as teenagers.

Not being a dick. But why didn't Bernie fight the DNC? He had the backing of a lot of people. What made him stand down?

Bullshit. Far left extreme is the center in the eyes of the media. These motherfuckers treat ANTIFA like they aren't far left.

There's nothing far left about neoliberalism. I think you may have let your partisanship and confirmation bias skew you're a vision of the Overton Window and reality.

Where do you think ANTIFA falls?

You're letting identity politics define your political scale. Race has always been used as a tool for division. Once MLK and Malcolm X begin to realize that the battle was drawn along class lines, is when they were assassinated.

The trick is to not fall for the race baiting bullshit and keep your eyes on the prize (Capital).

That's a really long nonanswer...

Antifa only dislike racism when its carried out by whites, and do not have the bottle to stand up against anti-white racism.

If this opinion of them carries any Merit and that would make them bigots. If they use authoritarianism to squash dissent and that makes them authoritarians.

Political ideology is it just linear (left-right) but rather two dimensional. it seems they would be labeled "authoritarian left".

If you want a shorter answer than that, then I don't know what to tell you.

MLK would probably be considered center or right wing by today's standards.

Oh yes, a working class revolution it's so mainstream these days.

Really? Fighting for a federal change to civil rights is a democrat thing these days.

Please provide evidence for this claim.

I always got the impression that MLK would get discredited as a black apologist if he were alive today. Like Bill Cosby minus the raping. The Boondocks did a show about it and I could totally see it going down the way they tell it if MLK didn't die, but was instead put into a coma from the assassination and woke up today.

Twitter would ban them.

The Internet is so easy to game now, they probably wouldn't get much coverage. Either because they would be artificially sponsored, costing credibility, or artificially suppressed, which would keep them from ever "breaking out".

Also you would never hear them speaking for themselves, it would always be cut down or edited to suit whoever spread their message.

Their houses would be raided, their computers would be confiscated, and child porn would magically be found on the confiscated computers.

No one listens once child porn is "found."

Yeah, I'm always skeptical when that comes out. It's too convenient a scapegoat.

Touché.

They probably wouldnt have lived as long...

Man, you guys are really full of shit, aren't you.

Circle-jerking on a fucking website is fairly far removed from the actual work those guys did.

So if MLK had social media he wouldn't have been able to reach more people?

the DNC would probably have rigged the primary against them.

RFK signed off on the harassment and stalking of MLK by our government.

All you have to do is look at how the Black Lives Matter movement is portrayed today by conservative/right wing media, to envision how MLK and Malcolm X would be viewed.

Possibly but if John Lennon spoke out today, he might have more of an impact than a Roger Waters. Hard to speculate I guess. They were definitely lionized after death.

Think of it this way, Reagan probably would have lost to Trump in today's GOP

They'd probably call Reagan a "libtard snowflake."

Hardly. If anything I think MLK would disavow such a group. Malcolm X, on the other hand, would pretty much be their patron saint

"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."

-MLK

Lol! Maybe Malcolm X, but not MLK. MLK never went around talking about killing cops like BLM does. Fuck BLM.

His movement did though.

MLK wasn't responsible for the actions of every person in the civil rights movement but he was blamed for them the same way that you are blaming BLM right now

way that you are blaming BLM right now

Right because BLM leaders like Talcom X aren't also saying the shit I'm "blaming BLM for."

you're basing your condemnation on the comments of one guy and applying it to everyone. so if anyone involved says something you take issue with, fuck the whole thing right?

you in 1965: ""the leader of this civil rights group in virginia said "beat up white people and riot in the street" so fuck MLK and the whole civil rights movement.""

you're basing your condemnation on the comments of one guy

Nope, I'm not. I'm basing my comments on the marches done by BLM where they chant, "Pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon" or "Dead Cops Now." and signs that say "Kill cops, create cop killers."

dude, you have literally zero self awareness. if that's your opinion, don't try to hedge your bets by acting as if you would support the civil rights movement or MLK.

you would have heard the same type of shit in the civil rights movement 50 yrs ago. people are angry and you look foolish trying to police the emotions of angry people and even more so by trying to extrapolate the actions of a few angry people to represent the views of millions.

if that's your opinion

It's not my opinion that BLM calls for the death of police. It's a fact. You can see it in videos of almost every one of their marches.

Bruh on the real though I live right outside of Ferguson and can attest that shit like that does make outsiders look indifferent upon that movement. I do agree there is racism but is burning down your neighborhoods and looting innocent store owners going to help. No. But that was just that groups set of extremists no different than westborugh Baptist church or Islamic extremist. Its the good and the bad. Personally ive always felt that BLM needs a leader and a set goal. To be able to reasonably achieve goals without resorting to means like they used in Ferguson or Baltimore.

truth, but BLM is just an umbrella idea that people are organizing under. like the civil rights movement, its not really an organization itself, but a cause that people are working towards. everybody has a different idea on how to get there and you're not going to agree with all of them but it doesn't discredit the overall goal. keep in mind, the civil rights movement had already been going on for 10 years before MLK showed up.

". But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."

Are you comparing the peaceful protest of MLK to the violent protests of BLM?

Only thing that bothers me about BLM is blocking traffic. They have no right to do that. People could be on the way to a wedding or funeral or surgery or other extremely important events.

MLK would be considered right wing by today's media, equal right for everyone? That's nazi talk, death to whitey!

If they were around, BLM wouldn't be such a mess. They could focus the message and unite like none other.

I imagine MLK would still be taking about social justice saying something like this:

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate.

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

What speech is this from? Sounds like something Malcolm X would say

It's from a letter MLK wrote from Birmingham Jail on April 16, 1963

These people would have changed the world with their actions. They would not be commenting on the situation at hand because they were men of ACTION not mere commenters. Tptb knew this and they were then murdered before their actions led to the changing of the world. All just my opinion though.

would have, but didn't? why so? and if someone like them will resurface, they will fail again. be more specific, what did(n't) they do right? and why will they fail again?

They are around.

it would be very different system to comment on if they lived

Not really. Institutionalized racism and white moderates have the same roots

Because they would actually do things unlike now where people just write on internet forums.

I'd love to hear Huey Newton's thoughts.

You get that Malcolm was murdered by the Nation of Islam right?

Pretty sure that's why they knew they had to kill them.

Solid Post.

Thanks Bro.

9/11 was a controlled demolition.

I'd like to remind you that when I was a teenager the list of those murdered for such reasons included JFK, MLK, Malcolm X, and RFK.

So, you're using the conspiracy theory versions of those deaths to try to convince people skeptical of conspiracy theories? I don't see how that works. I could equally say that those who find it hard to accept the idea of JFK being killed by a lone assassin should remember that MLK and RFK were also killed by lone assassins.

Don't be surprised at the sheer amount of people who are going to come out of the woodwork to twist your words through their own shallow brains to spit out shallow conclusions.

A great number of them are literally under 15 years old.

I have looked at "the evidence" for the conspiracy theories concerning these deaths and I don't agree with your position.

I thought it was 3 shots from the book depository to JFKs limo? I think the conspiracy is who had Oswald been meeting with in Mexico City.

Easy way to deflect here. What are the facts? And from what sources?

How does that validate your view? Same logic Trump uses. Bad logic.

But the Seth Rich narrative is fake,

And Comey's love letter to himself, read by comey's friend to the NYT (the NYT never directly saw the Memo) is somehow not fake news. CNN told me so.

This sub is incredibly shill infested. Still can't believe they think they can pay losers to push propaganda. It's not working.

A narrative built on lies never works long term.

Bought a yuge house with my shill $$$

Only an idiot believes what they read on some random internet chat forum. Let them shill all they want; why do I give a shit what some gullible moron is subjected to?

Which shills? I can't tell how much sarcasm...

Who is pushing the Seth rich narrative and why? CIA and FBI to distract us from something?

Having trouble trying to find out which part is sarcastic in your comment. Try adding a couple /s

No one said it couldn't happen. They said there wasn't much evidence it had in this case. I can believe JFK was a conspiracy without believing all similar conspiracy theories are true.

I had people arguing with me that it couldn't happen because people in those positions won't risk prison time, of all things.

I'm perfectly fine with our government killing people who deserve it. People need to be reminded once in a while who's really in charge.

people.... the people are supposed to be in charge...

Why'd you do it man. What did people need to be reminded?

Then tell your friends to stay in line.

im gonna step over the line 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times

remember to cut along the wrist and not across

People like MLK and John Lennon? Do you mean killing Americans or assadinating foreign leaders?

Isn't it kind of strange- Trump hasn't said anything about the Seth Rich story. Sean Spicer refused to even comment on it. If the Seth Rich conspiracy is evident as you say why isn't Trump doing anything about it? Especially considering that uncovering such a conspiracy would help counteract his recent negative coverage in the media.

As OP has not responded to any remarks except one which does not pertain to either the Clintons or Trump, I think it might be safe to say he is not remarking on them. His link discusses presidents only and of the recent ones listed the democrats have more attempts than the republicans. If I were to guess, I would say OP disagrees with the Trump theorists on this sub. But that is just a guess.

you don't have a political agenda, yet you arrive here to (subtly) push the Seth Rich narrative?

would you agree that the timing of your post seems to coincide with all the "Seth Rich was murdered" stuff quite nicely?

zzZZzzz

24% of the posts on the frontpage (including this one) are pushing the Seth Rich was MURDERED narrative

you know I used to believe it myself...

This had nothing to do with Trump. People that hate Trump here have been talking about Seth Rich since he died. Stop thinking everyone that thinks differently from you is some brainwashed trump obsessed fanboy.

This has everything to do with Trump. The whole point of pushing this conspiracy is a) promoting that the DNC info was leaked not hacked b) discrediting the allegations of interference against Russia and c) painting Hillary and the DNC as monsters. I think you'd be very hard pressed to find someone who doesn't support Trump promoting this theory.

Thats not the point I was making however. Regardless of how you feel about Trump- you can't deny that he would have something to gain if there were any credible leads pertaining to this story. His lack of interest in it implies that there are none.

In your eyes because you're stuck on red vs blue. To anyone that is not partisan its just one more thing that politicians as a whole take part in. I bet you'd say pizzagate is also pro Trump.... While some people who look into these things are red or blue, to anyone who isn't on a team its just one more tally mark on a list of shit that both parties do. Seth Rich was probably murdered his involvement in the DNC just like the other 3 conveniently dead DNC peeps that more cant testify or take part in the cases involving the DNC. The DNC rigged primaries against Bernie in many if the same ways republicans fucked with Ron Paul.... Just because youre too stuck in the game to see thr bigger doesmt mean everyone else is playing the fame... Fuck trump and fuck clinton.

no sources or personal knowledge of any contact between Rich and Wikileaks.

Except why would Wikileaks offer a bounty for information. Why would his name fit perfectly in classified documents of the event. Mentioned in tweets with guccifer

Wikileaks explicitly stated: "This should not be taken to imply that Seth Rich was a source to WikiLeaks or that his murder is connected to our publications." Wikileaks knows that there is no evidence, but they benefit from the promotion of this story because it allows them to maintain their integrity as an avenue for whistleblowers and leaders, instead of a laundering service for hacked info.

No, Wikileaks wants to not set a precedent of revealing their sources.

Then why offer the reward at all?

Seth Rich is dead, if it really was him, what does it matter now?

Don't feed me any mumbo jumbo about protecting his family or something like that. If it had been Rich, Assange would know and be able to reveal it. But it wasn't, and Assange knows this and is playing up the angle that you're so desperate to believe.

It's not true.

No, Wikileaks wants to not set a precedent of revealing their sources.

By revealing the source of some pretty huge leaks?

Because pretty much everyone is running with the idea that Rich was the leaker because Wikileaks is offering a bounty for information relating to his murder.

I think the White House hasn't said anything, because they don't know anything and couldn't prove it if they did.

It was odd how the PI did a 180 on the subject of the laptop, but in Fox's (Fox News published their own piece, which is different from the fox5 story) defense, they wrote that their reporter confirmed with an FBI contact that Rich had communicated with Wikileaks and that some FBI agents assisted the D.C. Police.

It's impossible to say as to whether this is true or not. We'll probably never know.

I think the White House hasn't said anything, because they don't know anything and couldn't prove it if they did.

Yup, this White House has definitely been very reluctant about asserting major claims without any supporting evidence or rationale.

I can't think of one time they've done it since the day after the inauguration.

Or, perhaps exposing that kind of dirt is like turning on the lights and watching the roaches scatter.

I have a strong suspicion the White House isn't commenting on Seth Rich because it will also come back and hurt big Republicans like McCain. We all know the R's and D's are just as shitty, but exposing assassinations of a leaker to Wikileaks could implicate so many big power structures it could do more harm than good.

Also, it can be used as a bargaining chip.

Because the story is manufactured. There's literally no evidence linking him to Wikileaks, and DEFINITELY no evidence pointing to the DNC or anyone else having him killed.

This. This is even weak for conspiracy too.

Wow that's not my take on it Mr. DNC Bot. Wikileaks put out a massive reward for info on the murderer. Seems to me you could ask them behind closed doors to confirm. Seems to me there is a held up investigation. Seems to me Trunp can just sit back and wait on this one, as such an accusation requires bullet proof evidence. So please get your shareblue garbage out of here. We won't let this murder list keep growing.

Oh please, great warrior, protect our well being and innocence with your mighty words.

Wow great comeback. Shareblue bot programmers are garbage too.

D E L U S I O N A L

The bots are so dumb they can't respond in a contextually aware manner.

You are so dumb you cant argue without calling the other a bot.

There's literally no evidence linking him to Wikileaks

What about Assange specifically stating a 27 year old DNC employee may be the leaker? And then Wikileaks offering a reward for information on his murder? Coincidence? I'm serious - how do you reconcile this..?

Neither of the things you mentioned are actually evidence.

Right, I guess it's just a coincidence then tbh.

Yea man this guy in Baltimore that I don't even know or have any connection to was shot and killed last weekend; I'll give $20k to anyone who has any information about his murder. #justacoincidence

Or politically motivated messaging.

You should not be getting downvoted like this in /r/conspiracy. The things you pointed out definitely support the conclusion that Seth may have leaked information to wikileaks.

To see people in this sub downvote you and comment against you with such certainty that you are wrong is awkwardly out of place for this sub. Honestly, when I see people expend so much effort arguing against a narrative on a conspiracy sub, it only strengthens my belief that Seth was connected to WikiLeaks.

I just think it's awfully convenient for Wikileaks. My point of view is that Seth is the perfect scapegoat to paint the DNC/Clinton as even more evil. Which sure they might be bad, but I can't call them murderers without proper conviction.

Wikileaks obviously hates Clinton, Assange obviously likes Russia(having a show on RT), so why wouldn't they take the opportunity to paint the Seth Rich murder as a DNC/Clinton murder.

And I know everyone says Wikileaks has to protect its sources. But if it's that big of a deal, and obviously Wikileaks would have evidence that Seth was the leaker, then why not give it up?

I'm not saying it's impossible Clinton called a hit on Seth, but I think it's 100% fair to flip the situation and look at it like Wikileaks is lying to further it's own agenda.

Oh I see.. so Democrats don't think trump would lie to force the press to talk about a fake Hillary scandal.. I can't keep up

literally no evidence linking him to Wikileaks

Literally no evidence?

Seems strange that Wikileaks would put a $20k bounty on information leading to the killer, and Assange would reference the killing personally.

There are two links right there, make of them what you will.

Also the persistent stance that it was a "robbery" (even though nothing was stolen) is annoying at best, suspicious at worst. So all the gang violence in Chicago every weekend is just "robberies gone wrong." JFK was just a "robbery gone wrong."

Would that be a good conspiracy? Assange conspiring with the Russians?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7FkLBRpKg

How is trump even having the will power to not comment on it!? There could be something to it.

Because it's still speculative, and if Trump did speak they would crucify him for a witch hunt against his opponent.

That's actually an interesting question, since we know Trump adores unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that make his opponents look bad. He was the figure head of the "birther" fiasco after all. So why isn't he all over this story?

I think it probably has more to do with the fact that he's already in office. Unsubstantiated allegations are useful when campaigning, but now that hes in office they are less beneficial, and everything he says carries greater risk.

No, Clinton started the birther shit. Trump just ran with it for a while.

That is a blatant lie. Clinton had nothing to do with it. Trump spearheaded the birther controversy for five years.

wrong

Did you even read that? This isn't even about Obama's birth! To quote your obviously biased source:

Mr. Penn never suggested bringing up Mr. Obama’s birth certificate

And take note that they don't even say Clinton started it but the "Clinton-machine" did, because they don't dare to spout blatant lies like you or your god-emperor.

lol ok. "the clinton machine" did. What's the fucking difference?

The difference is that A) it wasn't Clinton. B) "the Clinton Machine" (read: Penn) didn't start the birther movement, he said:

All of these articles about his boyhood in Indonesia and his life in Hawaii are geared toward showing his background is diverse, multicultural and putting it in a new light [...]his roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and his values

It has nothing to do with Obama's birth. It's a campaign strategy that targets Obama's upbringing. While this strategy is somewhat despicable it doesn't use false claims about Obama's birth. I'm quoting all of this from the link you provided.

Its the seed that started it all.

Great, then we agree that the assertion "Clinton started the birther shit" is patently false.

Sorry I don't speak in democrat weasel spin.

It's called keep your cards close

I'd say that the fact that they are silent about it is very telling. He could be their Ace in the hole.

Could not upvote enough. It's just too suspicious that these major American figures get murdered. Behind each one is someone trying to hold back social progress.

didn't jfk want to un-privatize the money printing industrie ?

Yuuuup

And dismantle the CIA

Behind every progressive is a conservative who doesn't want him to succeed.

Idk if it's always along those lines unless you have a fairly loose conception of progressive and conservative.

I was just being cheeky

Oh, lol. I see that now. Guess I got caught up in the seriousness of the topic.

Why on Earth are people surprised at the idea that astronomically wealthy, influencial and powerful people on the planet are possibly involved in murders from time to time?

Because thats what happens when you are brainwashed from birth and become an adult incapable of critical thought.

People are murdered for many reasons.

Just because they are registered with one party or another doesn't mean that is why they were killed.

Some will drag the bodies through the street though to bash a politician they don't like - and they do that without any proof at all.

Shame on them for using the death of someone, with no proof, and putting the family through that shit.

How's it feel up there on the moral high ground? Feel good? Feel like a big boy?

Yes, yes it does.

People are amazing at drawing a subconscious & imaginary line between past & present... especially when fear is a factor.

Wish we had truth for the deaths of DCI Colby and JFK Jr. especially.

Don't forget about the witnesses to JFK death, associates of the Clintons with Whitewater and other Clinton investigations.

When are people going to stop jerking off over the Clintons?

Now they are begging Chelsea to run, they have already given her a Lifetime Achievement Award.

To those of you assholes who say we are JUST NOW MENTIONING SETH RICH ON THIS SUB -examine this post of mine from FIVE FUCKING MONTHS AGO AND SUCK OUR COLLECTIVE DICKS ON BEHALF OF PATRIOT SETH RICH

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Thank you. This sub has been talking about Seth Rich regularly since the day he died.

We have talked about Seth Rich on this sub a shitload... and you're posting links to t_d. Wrong sub, moron.

Most people outside of this sub and t_d consider this sub and t_d to be the same sub.

this shithole website cross-posts their shitlib propaganda on 50 different subs

examine this post of mine from FIVE FUCKING MONTHS AGO AND SUCK OUR COLLECTIVE DICKS ON BEHALF OF PATRIOT SETH RICH

That's a post in the_donald, not /r/conspiracy.

How exactly does that prove your point?

I'm not 68, but I can point to thousands of other people who were thorns in the sides of politicians, who testified in cases that sent power people to prison, or who exposed facts that destroyed political careers who weren't killed.

Thousands > five.

facts

Yes, they are facts. You being too lazy to do research doesn't make something not true.

How conveniently coincidental.

Literally the definition of coincidence.

So many of them too, and they all benefit the same people.

Who? The Clintons?

Well, their part of it... Neo conservatives as a whole seem to have benefited from almost all of the assassinations mentioned wehter through actual political positions, domestic, or foreign policy.

Doesn't it make more sense that politicians used things that happen to progress their agenda rather than spending time manufacturing the events themselves?

If out happened 1 time, sure... Several times using the same story/methods.... Nope.

Lone crazy person is... Not a very unique things. Hundreds of people die in the US a year because of those people.

So by your logic, then reddit doesn't delete posts because "thousands" are left up.

"Nobody has ever been killed for political reasons because so many people are still alive!"

Facepalm.

That's the opposite argument. They're not saying that no one has ever been killed for political reasons; they're saying that not everyone political who dies was killed for political reasons, which is the basic assumption of this Seth Rich nonsense.

Wait no. That's not the logic.

Basically for this to work, deleted posts would need to include a large number of posts deleted for a correct reason. He's arguing that the people who weren't murdered are the correctly deleted posts and that very, very few deleted posts are do so due to a conspiracy.

You can't use posts not deleted because this implies all posts are equivalent to the population of people who apparently piss off politicians. When in actuality you need to sort you posts somehow where the metaphor for the dead and the living "thorn in side" people are separate from the larger population for a comparison. Otherwise you're comparing the amount of people alive on the planet to the number of people who are considered "thorn in side" by using what you imply are posts deleted by reddit in a conspiratorial manner.

Lots of people have lived full lives and not died due to cancer. That's why smoking isn't bad.

John Lennon Bob Marley JFK Junior Diana ...

Tupac

Prince

Marilyn Monroe

What's the conspiracy with Prince?

"man in constant pain dies of opiate overdose"

McKinley and Garfield? Really? Those assassins are in par with the guy who shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster. Not exactly a calculated political execution.

One of the best posts I've seen in this sub in 8 years

Tupac died just before he got the chance to create his own political party for minority's

Let's not forget about Lane Frost.

I find it hard to accept that a political assassination would be done by shooting someone in the back without them even dying until they get to hospital. If that's an assassination, it's a fucking sloppy one.

Dude was drunk and walking through a dodgy neighbourhood. He somehow took 2 hours to get from bar1 (after leaving drunk) to bar2, despite being a short walk. He was was torn, but not removed. I'd say it was a mugging gone wrong, a struggle, a gunshot and then the mugger ran off before searching the bloody victim for money (if I just shot someone I wouldn't stick around to go through their back pocket)

If you wanted assassinate someone without it being totally obvious... Wouldn't it Only make sense to make it look like the most commonly if crime/murder happeningaround that area? There are many failed assassinations, this isn't the movies

If you're gonna assassinate someone, at least kill them rather than leaving the scene of the crime while they're still alive.

And if the ploy was to make it look like a mugging them why not take his wallet etc? The wallet/watch behind is "evidence" of why this was supposedly not a mugging

Piss poor assassination (not killing him) and piss poor cover up (not making it look like a convincing mugging)

Someone clearly has never played 4D Chutes N Ladders.

Chutes and chutes, from what I can tell

Makes sense as a possible scenario. Why the Wikileaks bounty though? Russian subterfuge?

I just think it's awfully convenient for Wikileaks. My point of view is that Seth is the perfect scapegoat to paint the DNC/Clinton as even more evil. Which sure they might be bad, but I can't call them murderers without proper conviction.

Wikileaks obviously hates Clinton, Assange obviously likes Russia(having a show on RT), so why wouldn't they take the opportunity to paint the Seth Rich murder as a DNC/Clinton murder.

And I know everyone says Wikileaks has to protect its sources. But if it's that big of a deal, and obviously Wikileaks would have evidence that Seth was the leaker, then why not give it up?

I'm not saying it's impossible Clinton called a hit on Seth, but I think it's 100% fair to flip the situation and look at it like Wikileaks is lying to further it's own agenda.

Do you think the FBI or the CIA has the ability to find out or already knows the truth? I would assume yes but interested to hear other thoughts.

Lmao I love that you still managed to sprinkle in "but Russia!"

oh, do we mock other people's conspiracy theories in this subreddit?

Sorry for not following your personal narative

That one yeah we do. Because you are talking about how there is no way Seth was killed by the DNC and still managing to bring Russia into it. That takes a special kind of ability to put a spin on things

Ok. Given that they are fucking us over big time, and have been doing so for a long long time, we now know and understand this fact to a certain extent. The extent to which we understand these facts vary by individual, but everyone on this sub is to some extent awake. But, what do we do about our situation? What CAN we do? We know we are getting screwed, so do we call for more and better lube? Lower taxes, perhaps? A better healthcare system? If you do not pay your taxes in protest, they will lock you up and you will lose everything eventually. You can try to drop out of society, but the underclass holds no attractions for me. Being homeless is a young man's game.

I've seen your nick and recognize your value. Thank you and your effort and sacrifice will not be in vain.

Hi grandpa, so you fixed your AOL browser?

No I never used AOL.

Not even when they offered free internet?

I'm running Firefox on Debian.

Pfft, kids these days.

I wrote my own browser in assembly for MenuetOS.

Remember that possibly schizophrenic bible thumper who built a weird "God oriented" operating system from the ground up?

Yes, impressive work for one dude, but probably not very secure. It has not been tested.

Fuck, nothing is secure ...

JFK was killed by a lone nut. MLK was killed by a racist piece of shit. Malcolm X was killed by a rival black nationalist group. RFK was killed by someone trying to bring attention to the plight of Palestinians. These guys weren't killed by shadowy evil organizations with complex nefarious plans. Jesus Christ, people.

JFK was killed by a lone nut.

And that is why you fail in life.

K

Oh, the same James Files that claimed he was the shooter on the grassy knoll? Give me a fucking break.

I hope you're not someone who is confused by facts.

I hope you're not too. Unsourced claims are not facts. Seeing as you just seem to have cut and pasted this from information verbatim one of the numerous sites that carry it but provide no citations, can you provide sources for these claims?

You just listed a number of very specific information about the shots fired at RFK. What is the source of this? Where did the original information come from?

Does every thread on conspiracy need to have these nothing to see her goyim posts?

Don't forget about Fred Hampton.

I was searching for a mention of Fred Hampton. Didn't think I'd have to scroll this far.

GET YOUR HAND OUT OF MY POCKET!

ah shit.. they're on to me.

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I assume this is about Seth Rich. All these people represented a political movement and were killed in part to stop that movement. I can't imagine what the motive is in this case, even if the wikileaks thing is true, it was done, his murder prevented nothing as far as we know.

I'm failing to grasp the contextual relevance then.

The connections people have made about Rich have to do with content from the Clinton campaign, particularly campaign chairman John Podesta.

In one of his leaked emails he comments on "making an example of leakers." In the new book "shattered" it was revealed that he and campaign manager Robby Mook devised the Russia narrative the day after the election. If it is revealed that Seth Rich was a whistleblower who leaked the DNC emails, then that blows up the Russia narrative that the DNC has been coasting on. Add to this the fact that Assange has not only alluded to Rich being the leaker, but that he also offered a reward for any info that could lead to Rich's killer.

I'm not saying this theory is real, but Assange's involvement makes it seem like Rich was likely to have been the leaker. Whether or not he was killed for this is another story.

The Russian narrative was devised the week after the election, but Paul Ryan was aware of Russia hacking the DNC in June 2016? This timeline does not add up.

I also don't know the point of the post. Are we supposed to care no more about seth rich?

Because I dont.

I want the mess of an administration in the white house sorted out first. As it actually poses a threat to our country. Especially after yesterday's embarrassing display by Erdogens men.

Priorities. Trump isn't fit for the job, regardless of the adversity he faced on his trip to the White House, he may be guilty of a few things as well and he should be held accountable.

I almost feel like this is astroturfing "I'm old so listen to me kiddos". Do you mean to say we should turn our heads to the trump administration?

They can't blame Russia if Seth rich is the known leaker.

I mean that makes more sense for a motive but that would involve collusion from all of our allies, independent intelligence analysts, and our own intelligence agencies so the scale would be much bigger than the dnc. But it's r/conspiracy so that's fine. At least it makes sense as a motive.

I'm late to this. But for killing seth after the damage was done reminded me of podesta's emails. specifically I'm definitely for making an example of a suspected leaker whether or not we have any real basis for it.

Bob Marley? John Lennon...maybe?

His family already debunked the story, get over it people

And the private investigator as well.

The way I see it, the killings never stopped, they just got more sophisticated.

FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*that's "newspeak" for "I agree with you entirely".

FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

His name was #SethRich

Don't forget Andrew Jackson. The bankers tried to kill him a few times.

John Lennon...

I'd say Malcolm was killed for religious/influence reasons because the Nation of Islam were sick of his shit. And George Wallace? Fuck George Wallace. He was killed by a disgruntled fellow neo-Nazi, that's justice if I've ever heard it.

That said, everyone you just named was a major figure in American politics at the time of their deaths, not completely unknown staffers who may or may not have emailed a website. They stirred a whole lot of shit at the center of the American eye before they were snuffed out.

But I also don't conflate the DNC with the US government which includes the massive end-all be-all powers of the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. Which I'm guessing this post is about Seth Rich, and I just don't buy that fucking Nancy Pelosi and Clinton had this guy killed because of one completely unsubstantiated article by Fox News.

Thats what I was curious about. I think everyone knows about these deaths. It is more in the fact everyone knew these people were murdered. The question was who did it and what was their motive.

Glad to see some sense of rational thinking on this sub still. This is clearly a Seth Rich dog whistle post and completely misses the point.

The Seth Rich story is clearly a disinformation campaign to distract from the latest scandals for Trump and the GOP. Fox news got wrapped up in it because they are as stupid as their viewerbase. The guy that first spread the story is now back peddling so fast and the family has told Fox and anyone else spreading the story to fuck off. Anyone still spreading that story is either so detached from reality or lacks a soul as they are willing to torture a family that has already suffered so much just for political points.

Huh? Seth Richs death report is disinformation. Same with a lot of "heart attacks" and "suicides".

What the fuck are you on about?

George Wallace died of sepsis in a hospital bed in 1998, decades after he was shot.

Excuse me, confused him with George Rockwell for a minute. Both famous 60s racists named George at least.

Thank goodness a grown up on reddit. Nice to see you and thanks for the post.

Except none of those people were murdered by some covert, far-reaching conspiracy. Their murders were not covered up or made to look like anything other than political assassinations. Weak sauce partisan BS.

I'm bummed that this sub has become so partisanly driven. Can we take off our political goggles for a minute and return to what r/conspiracy once was, please. Yall have swallowed the politicians cocks.

*red pill

I agree. Although my other comment is clearly partisan so I guess I'm part of the problem.

Too bad we are currently witnessing a huge conspiracy unfold right before our eyes

There is a conspiracy, it's just not the one this sub seems to overwhelmingly believe in.

People like you are the problem.

Every person who disagrees with your side is instantly called a member of "the Donald".

Yeah, people who act like Donald Trump is the reason for Hillary Clinton conspiracies are clueless. People have been making Clinton body count lists for over 20 years. And the more time that passes, the more credible those lists seem.

Okay Redditor for 23 days.

No. People like YOU are the problem.

You don't know the first goddamn thing about what you're saying, and you get all your news from other people who are somehow even less informed, and the more of you guys pile on, the less and less you forget how insane you sound.

I get people being annoyed by partisanship, but I'm always suspicious of these people saying "you need to stop seeing things as left v. right". Usually it's directed at people questioning something like Pizzagate or the Seth Rich conspiracy, but the person saying it rejects the Russia conspiracy out of hand.

A good and sensible suspicion that reflects well on you.

"IT'S ALLLL THE SAAMMME MAAAAAN" is NOT what I'm saying though.

WHY WON"T YOU QUIT AND GO AWAY?!?!?!?!? HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING YOU TO DO THIS!?!?!?!? ITS NOT WORTH IT PLEASE FUCK OFF

This is what T_D melting down looks like everyone. It's glorious.

Removed. Rule 10. Only Warning.

I imagine you claim to not belong to either party. My comment was not addressed to you but this sub in general.

Me and my friends used to frequent this sub and talk about submissions off of reddit. Not so much any more. It's been compromised by t/d users. It's the mods fault. They started deleting submissions that didn't follow their narratives, etc until the only thing being posted was pizzagate and hillary's emails.

The conspiracy theories surrounding trump are a gold mine along with pizza gate etc but they aren't welcome here because they don't follow the narrative.

It's bullshit. This used to be one of my favorite subs.

I think the political wedge is being driven by Russian and secretly China in an effort to divide and conquer​. Not just the U.S. but also the E.U.. Reddit is a great platform for social engineering no matter what sub it is.

I would say that's incomparable. Police didn't give two shits about MLK or Malcom X and caught Oswald... the goal now (when an entity would be killing and not a random person out of passion) is not to be caught which is basically impossible

I have absolutely no doubt that folks get murdered over information and political movements.

I was pretty convinced that Seth Rich was murdered over politics. Still am.

I also think that the focus on him almost a year later is nothing but calculated deflection.

The claimed number of reported emails and attachments on his laptop are not proof. Those numbers have been public forever.

We have new info on the investigation breaking multiple times a day. Real convenient that NOW people want to focus on a year old story.

It is also convenient that it pins the leak as internal, supposedly destroying the Russia narrative, as if it clears all the other sketchy Russia shit. Great totally natural timing, eh?

I don't know what the truth is, but it is really fucking clear that powers that be are desperately trying to drown the other's narrative out. If you aren't skeptical of both sides, you're naive.

What makes you think he was murdered over politics? All the info that got out now has been proven false (connections to wikileaks, mysterious laptop in the FBI, etc), the police said they have evidence it was a botched robbery, but they still haven't catched the culprit, hence why the case isn't closed yet. Rich told no one he felt threatened or took any measures to protect himself. A presidential candidate (or even worse, one of the two biggest political parties in the US) having someone murdered and for no good reason (and that's assuming he was the one who leaked the DNC emails) is very unlikely to say the least, so we'd need real, crystal clear proof for this be credible but literally the only connection to Hillary/DNC we have is that he worked there. This is a genuine question btw.

Something about a DNC staff getting shot in the back during a robbery where nothing was stolen at the same time as DNC leaks going on just makes me a bit suspicious, I guess.

It's been a year though... We're not getting closure. I don't see a point in focusing on it. I definitely don't see a point in the witch hunt 4chan is doing.

Well it certainly wouldn't be the first time a botched robbery ended with the attacker fleeing the scene without stealing anything for various reasons (gun being discharged by mistake/misuse, being scared of being recognized because of the noise and/or possible witnesses, not finding anything to steal immediately, being high on drugs, etc). It's also worth noting the neighborhood where he was shot had been plagued by numerous robberies at the time according to the police and they estimate he was shot at roughly 4 am, plus his watch strap was torn which indicates the attacker did try to steal his watch but gave up. Also according to his girlfriend there was a struggle before or shortly after he was shot and he was still alive when the police found him, so if that was an assassination attempt, it was executed very poorly to say the least.

I find Fred Hampton even more disturbing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

I know that it's possible, but I'm not convinced that the democrats killed Seth rich. I haven't seen any evidence that would prove this.

Okay well that's just like your opinion man

I'm sorry, my fault I really wasn't clear enough, its your opinion that you don't believe in coincidences when people are murdered

The definition of a coincidence at this point is irrelevant.

Nothing really, it's all just semantics.

Well good, glad we can agree that you think coincidences don't take place when people get murdered, but the rest of us realize that it could easily just be a coincidence that he got murdered and also happened to work for the DNC.

huh..? Who are you trying to say killed Huey P? You're saying it wasn't wiess...? or that wiess did it at the behest of FDR or something?

Sure; I agree.

The guy wanted to, literally, redistribute the wealth of Louisiana to the poor. Every man a king.

If it wasn't for him, we'd be just as bad as Mississippi - if not worse.

Who finds this hard to accept exactly?

Such murders are a common occurrence and are regularly being reported in the mainstream media.

What an odd strawman.

The Clintons have him beat by a mile

I wouldnt be surprised if they did. But Putin's rise to power was surrounded by mysterious deaths with a dainty touch of false flag bombing. It's pretty interesting to look into if you haven't already.

Anyone who disputes that Russia hasn't assassinated various political dissenters would be an idiot who hasn't looked at obvious patterns.

The same patterns of mysterious and convenient deaths of people staged to bring the Clintons to justice are totally obvious if not flagrant. Their political might and the stranglehold of their corrupt influence and blackmail has prevented any earnest attempt at prosecution.

WHATABOUT HITLARY?

Like clockwork.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/clinton-death-list-33-most-intriguing-cases/

WHATABOUTS MUH RUSSIA!

Gonna be funny when people like you face the reality that the Russian narrative is totally contrived.

Well as corrupt as American politics are, we aren't even close to the Russian oligarchs level

lol! Aren't you cute?

Confessions of a corporate hit man...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1441&amp;v=7MkCLMl344o

I mean, none of those people were proven to be killed for that reason, so you're not really "reminding" anyone of anything that they forgot.

Yes I know what subreddit this is...

I don't think you failed to start a discussion I just think that it's a little tone deaf to assume that the famous examples you state are good ways to remind people that entrenched power holders murder people, because none of those have been proven to be that case. Obviously there is reasons to suspect that to some extent though.

A better example would be someone like Litvinenko.

Once you accept that people conspire behind the scenes, a lot of history suddenly makes sense.

It has been said that Murder is as American as Apple Pie and there is enough truth in this that no one should suspend their ability to accept the commonality of it.

That's a very interesting turn of phrase. You are either an English language poet or a very literate speaker of a foreign language.

"... no one should suspend their ability to accept the commonality..." This is a highly clever logical structure. So clever, in fact, so original, that I suspect it is an approximate transliteration of an idiomatic phrase from some other language. Probably Russian. Maybe even from Dostoevsky.

If I were cynical, I would say this post was a blatant attempt to whitewash political murders committed on behalf of dictatorial regimes (like Russia) with a substance derived from a long history of political violence in a truly free Republic.

But I am American. And everyone knows Americans lack the self awareness of cynics.

What's your point? "People have been murdered for political reasons in the past, therefore this murder must have been for political reasons"?

How is that more convincing than "People have been murdered in muggings gone wrong in the past, therefore this murder must have been a mugging gone wrong"?

You're not presenting proof. You're not making an argument. You're just using manipulative tactics to try and make people believe something you have zero evidence for.

Acting like only one side does it is not democratic. Chances are if the DNC did murder that guy (and that is a big IF), then the Republican party 100% murdered a bunch people themselves. At which point it just becomes politics. If it is so common that everyone does it, it no longer is a special case and no death is abnormal.

Both sides murder political adversaries so its not a big deal?

Well wtf do you plan on doing, eh? Do you have a magical wand that turns all people nice or something?

Dude, that's the past, plus they were all douches so they kinda deserved it, you know?

If you find it hard to accept that people are actually murdered because crazy people kill other people all the time in your gun riddled country (without any form of conspiracy or government collusion other than an ongoing failure to properly regulate weapon ownership) I'd like to remind you that it happens so often it's barely even news.

I guess if you're hanging out on here you take it as read the assassinations you list were all the result of well organized conspiracies among your ruling classes but most people find the line that they were the work of lone-wolf crazies perfectly plausible as, you know, your country is full of heavily armed nut jobs. Conspiracies make much more interesting stories but Occam's razor says the majority of "political" murders are the work of unstable individuals.

Yeah it kinda does, that's what's so useful about it. For the times it doesn't then sure, go hog wild, hypothesize yourself silly!

I'm sure you are aware that the true meaning of Occam's Razor only refers to the simplest explanation within the evidence.

Even if you ignore witness testimony and physical evidence indicating more than one gunman in all of these instances, you're still left with an overwhelming degree of circumstantial evidence suggestive of a conspiracy.

In my view, always deferring to the "simplest explanation" is a surefire way to lose the plot.

You forgot Andrew Jackson surviving attempts too.

Thanks for including Malcolm on your list. Too often I see his name left out when talking about leaders who were murdered in the 60s.

I'm just wondering what I can do about it

I'm expecting to see the word "shill" used repeatedly in this post.

Who are jfk and rfk?

John F Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and Robert F Kennedy

Thanks

Are you honestly saying all those people were killed as the result of a conspiracy by power brokers? This is why conspiracy theorists lose credibility. Huey Long was more likely accidentally killed by his own body guards.

I don't find it hard to accept, I do however find it hard to accept that this specific murder is an instance of that happening.

HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH

And it's commonly held that all of them were not killed on the whim of a mainstream political party.

I don't care that you're old because you're stupid

jfk was probably just some lone crazy guy and so were most of the murders you list

people in this kind of conspiracy subs just can't believe a person can do something on their own

Right. It couldn't be the fact that considerable evidence proves or at least strongly suggests otherwise.

Notice how they never kill the fascists or nationalists?

Tries to convince me something happens often; only references events that took place before I was born thirty years ago.

Do you think politically based assassinations and murder stopped when you were born? How about Saddam Hussein's takeover day? Derwin Brown? Tommy Burks? James Davis? Bill Gwatney? Mark Hasse? Leon Jordan? Ed King? Mike Swoboda? John Thornton?

Not all were killed by shadowy organizations but all were murdered because of their politics.

Don't forget all the ones they *tried" to kill.

And almost all of those murdered were left of the political spectrum, by wackos from the right of the political spectrum.

Even though all of this info is out there, it's really hard to get to the actual truth of any matter regards this topic. People who are killing others who have the ability to cover it up are not announcing their activities. No one is ever caught or convicted and if they are they are fall guys, paid to take the fall and direct all the heat away from themselves.

It's important not to confuse the nutcases with those motivated by politics/power/money but there is a clear pattern that points to a group of elite who don't want the party to stop and who use our own behaviour against us, controlling large swathes of the earth and it occupants for their own gain. It's in their interests to divide and rule, keep the fear going, pitting fellow man against fellow man. Whilst we are all distracted by a non stop tide of headlines and bad news, they pilfer what is rightly ours and use us as an endless supply of labour to carry out their dirty work. From basic labouring to fighting their wars. Then they bet on the outcome and double insure for safety meaning they can never lose. They created the game, they control the game, if you take them on you'll be another in a long line of dead people.

68 but still a fucking moron.

Ok so what? At the end of the day were still stay enslaved. I want action to be taken. What can we do? Just like government is organized so should we, it's the only way of anything ever changing. Suggestions to my 1st question?

I believe that would have happened to Bernie Sanders if he would have become President. "Oh, you want to cut into our corporate profits, by hundreds of billions, to help people? You need to die." tl;dr If you help poor people they shoot you.

Age does not equal wisdom with this one...

All 4 were murdered by loose cannon political ideologues. They weren't assassinated by polonium-carrying state sponsored agents.

You can make a line between any two points, doesn't mean it's going to be straight.

Heck, a lot of grown adults willfully disbelieve that the currency for vast swathes of our society is violence. It's really not hard to understand - we shy away from things that make us uncomfortable.

The pile of bodies on the Clintons is a good example. Even if you're not a fan of theirs, it's icky. And whatever the answer is, please Lord let it be something other than the most obvious one because...well, icky.

Lol shut up with your old shit

You're crazy.

Everyone on your list was murdered by a single crazy person.

Duh.

I dont think anyone finds it tough to believe. But sometimes the allegatuons are really compelling, and sometimes they are absolutely insanely stupid, and you have to be able to tell the difference.

There is a community on this site and 4Chan that thinks they cracked the code on a child sex ring using the most tenuous and idiotic reasoning, and a few months later the example arranged murders they're coming up with are just as blisteringly stupid.

The list is long and grotesque.

Those highlights do bring it home though.

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I take solace in the fact that these days there is far less ability to cover up these attempts. I am not naive to believe that we can completely stop it, but with as many eyes and cameras out there it sure is tougher.

The strangest thing about Malcolm X is that he was fine when he thought white people were evil. Once he came back from Mecca and started preaching togetherness, he was dealt with swiftly.

MLK was a plagiarizing communist

I have a subconscious problem with people grouping MLK with Malcolm X

I'm gonna be honest and say I don't know who RFK is

Ah, what was he killed over?

I don't think Nixon would've gone that far, but it's always a possibility

Can we get a list of everyone around the Clintons who committed suicide?

When the hit man's fee start at only $20 000 and the person may cost you over $1m. The choice is easy.

It's not that it's hard to believe . I'm just not going to believe it when there is no actual facts that point to it . When the "facts" that people do present to make the case are always between blatantly false, easily disproven , or obviously made up to fit the agenda , thats when I call bullshit. You should never have to make up false information to be able to support anything . If so , then something is really wrong .

"Midwest Deputy or Director position is open." https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2504

No. They were all murdered by lone wolves without any kind of involvement from any outside forces.

The other side of that coin is: some people find it hard to accept that sometimes bad things happen because of an individual's shitty decision, and that every death isn't the result of a vast conspiratorial web of puppet masters tugging on delicate threads to kill someone. I have no doubt that politically-motivated assassinations happen. But I think some people have trouble accepting that life is so random. It's scary. Much easier to tell yourself that 'guns don't kill people; the Clintons do.'

OP forgot the murder attempt on President Andrew Jackson after he successfully destroyed the first incarnation of THE FED .

the FED being an institution owned and run by the international money changers, who have had a monopoly on the dollar since 1913

we're all fucked and been that way for decades

my bad

Not a r/T_D user's post? Fuck it, have an upvote.

Now with that out of the way, I'll just say this: I despise the U.S government. While I'm positive much of this is true I don't like talking about stuff like this because it depresses me and makes me want to end my life (go figure). So, you guys do you, I'll do me, and I might be able to survive at least a few more years.

Also, I have this sort of "fuck it" mentality. I believe myself to be incapable of doing much to change anything so instead I just do what keeps me happy and going.

funny how all these people were pretty much what would now be considered "liberal," murdered by right-wingers. reeeeal convincing. the_donald2.0 around here.

How idiotic can you be? JFK, MLK, Malcolm X and RFK were murdered by crazy people, there was no scheme from a power structure that had them murdered to further their own cause.

No. Even if you accept the extremely dubious notion that they were killed by the "lone nuts" identified by the state, the sheer degree of circumstantial evidence indicating a conspiracy is overwhelming.

Why was Oswald seen by multiple witnesses in New Orleans and Clinton, Louisiana with CIA assets David Ferrie and Clay Shaw, who both denied (the latter under oath) they ever met him?

Why, on December 8, 1999, did a civil jury in Memphis conclude, based on the testimony of multiple witnesses and the taped confession of one of the conspirators, that there had been a conspiracy to kill Dr. King?

Why was police security systematically removed from the event where Malcom X spoke despite warnings of a planned attack on him?

Why did the medical examiner conclude that RFK had been killed by a point-blank shot from behind when Sirhan was several feet in front of him? Why were there fourteen bullets found in the pantry when Sirhan only fired 8 shots? Why was he seen shortly before the shooting in the company of a woman who was later seen giddily shouting "We did it! We shot him!" and why did the LAPD attempt to coerce the witness who attested to this into changing her story?

I feel sorry for you. No, wait, I don't feel sorry for your willful ignorance. I feel sorry for the people that were killed that you're using to propagate an insane, unfounded, absolutely ridiculous conspiracy theory. They deserve better.

Scum.

So you don't have an answer to any of those questions?

Got it. Thanks!

I'm not going to waste my time defending the truth you fucking looney. If you honestly believe any of the bullshit you just spewed than you're too far gone.

It must be frustrating being the only human who believes the LAPD tried to cover up the murder of RFK.

If you honestly believe any of the bullshit you just spewed than you're too far gone.

Not even the people who disagree with me would deny those facts. They'd simply try to discredit them by attacking the credibility of the witnesses, the civil judgment or making tortured rationalizations for the litany of holes in the official narrative of what transpired at the Ambassador Hotel.

You're the first (and only) person to deny (without evidence) that these undisputed facts are true. Is it frustrating?

It must be frustrating being the only human who believes the LAPD tried to cover up the murder of RFK.

Except for numerous researchers, witnesses from the pantry and Sirhan's current defense team?

Here's an audiotape where the LAPD can be heard attempting to coerce a witness into changing her story.

Furthermore, in 1988 the LAPD were pressured to release their files to the California State Archives in Sacramento and it was found that they had destroyed or 'lost' a considerable amount of evidence, including the test fire results from the alleged murder weapon, the test gun used for ballistics comparison, 2400 photos from the original investigation (actually burned) and more than 90% of the audiotapes of witness interviews.

Ok, tell me about the moon landing too?

Here's a primer. Cheers!

It's also interesting that you consider the King family "scum."

Thanks again!

What the fuck are you taking about? They got the justice they deserved, you're the one who is trying to make his death fit your ridiculous narrative.

You're such an idiot holy fuck

The following is from a statement issued by the King family:

The King family stands firmly behind the civil trial verdict reached by twelve jurors in the Memphis, Tennessee courtroom on December 8, 1999.   

http://www.thekingcenter.org/assassination-conspiracy-trial

The following is a description of the civil trial verdict, published in the New York Times on 12-10-1999:

The jury in Memphis declared Mr. Jowers liable in Dr. King's death for having purportedly hired a now-dead Memphis police officer, as part of a vast conspiracy, to kill Dr. King. It also found that unnamed others, including government agencies, had been involved, in effect accepting the plaintiffs' contention that James Earl Ray was innocent, despite his guilty plea.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/10/us/dr-king-s-slaying-finally-draws-a-jury-verdict-but-to-little-effect.html

The allegations and the finding of the Memphis jury were later rejected by the United States Department of Justice in 2000 due to lack of evidence.

👍

And yeah, the king family trying to use a death to further an asinine cause is a scummy thing to do.

Cheers, watch out for the Chen trails

by the United States Department of Justice

lol

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Lafayette Baker is, to me, the most interesting of the minor players to be killed. He's the man who testified that John Wilkes Boothe's diary was not missing any pages when he handed it to Secretary Stanton.

Would love to read those missing 18 diary pages.

Stanton's descendants are alleged to have the 18 pages. Why they wouldn't release them for millions of dollars and to rewrite the history books probably means the pages are forgeries.

I've seen comments on "some" subs saying "Seth Rich was a loser, I'd have killedhim myself if I could", "I killed Seth Rich", "hahah I hope he cried like a bitch when DNC guys got him".

Your generations was mostly not cruel, bloodthirsty brainwashed savages.

thOSe aRe ThE kINdS oF CommENTs wE aRE aLwAyS gETtiNg FRoM, wELL, lOSErs.

So don't have a initial in your name and you are good, Samuel L Jackson needs to keep his views to himself

This is a far cry from somebody saying "I've got evidence that somebody did something wrong, and I'm going to release it in TEN DAYS!"

Then committing suicide

Those people are far more likely to be in a mental health crisis, and makes these audacious claims as a cry for attention.

Anyone that thinks people won't kill to get or maintain power and wealth are naive at best and brain dead at worst. Politicians are not our friends or out for our best interests.

Coast to Coast AM had a segment on Dorothy Kilgallen on last night. You can add her to the list.

You missed Medgar Evers, Fred Hampton, Harry and Hariette Moore.

This is what I don't get about the deep state talk. Big /s here but

JFK was a democratic president assassinated and replaced by a conservative DINO.

His brother ran for president and was assassinated before he would've inevitably been the popular candidate for the left and possibly unified the country in a troubled time.

9/11 secured George W. Bush perhaps the largest amount of political capital in American history.

If there is a deep state it's either playing both sides extremely dirty or just not on the side you guys think it is.

I think they've haven't been very illuminating and they've been VERY naughty.

JFK, MLK, Malcom X, RFK

One of these is not like the other. Malcom got killed by his own radical buddies because he didn't appreciate Elijah Muhammad using the NOI as his own personal brothel.

Maybe it was a secret society that hates the letter K. And they just got confused by the X.

So who had Roger Ailes killed? Don't you find it suspicious that he "fell" right after Mueller was appointed?

I don't know. The timing was a little too convenient.

He fell last week.

Says who? Convenient cover story.

Add Bill Hicks, Jimi Hendrix and Frank Zappa to that list.

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i know that but i believe they gave him prostate cancer to stop him running for President, which i think he would have won.

yeah. Frank could talk better than he played guitar and he could play guitar better than most. Watching him rip into Tipper Gore about Parental Advisory labels on records was brilliant. They couldn't cope with him.

That's not why RFK died

People are too busy being entertained and preoccupied with whatever these days. I would love to see a documentary on political assassinations like this on Netflix, and see it become popular. Also it would be great if it touched on recent potential political assassinations

Funny I'm 73 and the young people I talk to see most of the truth of 911 whereas folks my age believe the Government's story.

If they (Deep State/satanic worshipers) assassinate Trump then we go to war. Enough is enough.

Pretty fucked how many comments are minimizing the culture of violence that has allowed our power elite to rule for so long. Welcome to /r/conspiracy.

Ok. Most of those are examples of crazy people shooting a famous one. They weren't part of some larger conspiracy.

These names are just the tip of the iceberg. Most people who are killed are not publicly well known -- or long forgotten. Most recently, I am still haunted by the murder of Philip Marshall AND his kids. Or how about the guy who accused Ted Cruzs father of being in the CIA with Oswald. Really, this crap is ubiquitous. They get away with it, and are emoldened further. People need to take these mysterious deaths more seriously. The key is to start taking accusations of assassination seriously and not dismissing them asconspiracy`theories. When circumstances are mysterious and puzzling, I would bet that 9 out of 10 incidents are deliberate assassinations. It goes on all the time.

Socialists, whistleblowers, people resisting corruption and getting in the way of power.

It's just how people get and hold power. They need to gather support, recruit followers, convert opponents, and remove obstacles they can't convince to move. If you can't get around them, they need to be ignored by the masses, silenced, or removed.

Trying to convince oneself that we are somehow above that is absurd. No matter who is in charge, there will be obstacles, and some of those won't be solved without dismantling them. Occasionally a human obstacle will be too stubborn to coerce.

It's no conspiracy, it's reality.

Every single positive change has come from some sort of rebellion against the authorities at the time.

No one is murdered for political reasons, just ask Julius Caesar.

But were they murdered by "the government" or just random extremists?

Even if you accept the extremely dubious (to say the least) notion that Oswald, Sirhan and Ray acted alone, the sheer degree of circumstantial evidence establishing a conspiracy makes defense of the official narrative an untenable position.

The books Case Closed by disgraced plagiarist Gerald Posner and Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi has distorted public perception of the case. Here is a thorough, ten-part rebuttal of the latter.

Steven Biko.

george lincoln rockwell too

He was a part of the system - not a threat to it.

Given the evidence of his contact with Oswald and Guy Banister, he may have even been part of the fringes of the conspiracy to kill Pres. John F. Kennedy.

Medgar Evers is another guy people should learn about

Seth Rich!

Don't forget the string of bodies in the wake of the assassination of JFK, including Dorothy Kilgallon and Mary Pinchot Meyer.

On the other hand just because someone is a political or social threat and doesn't mean if they get murdered it's always 100% a conspiracy to silence them.

Very true, but isn't it dangerous to assume something so radical before enough evidence is present?

And even back then, 99.99999% of conspiracy theories were wrong.

You know, the real piece of advice I see here, is that you shouldnt have a last name that starts with K.

Fred hampton

Apple pie is not american lel

Don't forget Lenon, he was aware of the Cabal and imagine someone with so much mainstream power to talk about it.

Here's a good article about his son speaking about it, I love this phrase: "These pacifist revolutionaries are historically killed by the government."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-04-14/news/9804140098_1_mark-david-chapman-john-lennon-sean-lennon

There's a lot more information and I'm sure you've read about it, but I always like his son's opinion on the matter.

They were all highly visible leaders of highly political movements. Go back to 4chan retard.

No I find it hard because every time something happens against Trump you tykes come up with some new fucking conspiracy on how the other side is doing nefarious things and he's a squeaky clean Angel

It comes and goes, I'm kind of cranky because I'm trying to hold out another hour before lunch

I like how people think the millionaire president JFK was a threat to the rich and powerful

You're a special kind of stupid.

Isn't that a Larry the cable guy catchphrase?

Doesn't that make him more dangerous than someone who wasn't? Your argument makes no sense.

The point is also moot for two reasons:

Anyhow, the point is moot because he was considered dangerous or at least highly undesirable for a number of reasons related to his domestic and foreign policies.

Murder is a lot more common than people like to think it is.

does any sane adult really think that people have not been murdered for political or financial reasons? America or pie has nothing to do with either, it's universal through history, civilizations and diets.

I am in no position to revoke said license. I just think that from choice of big countries Russia has so many examples that over there it almost seems accepted common knowledge that people kill and get killed for top positions.

Reagan wasnt a threat to the powers that be though.

They wanted Bush Sr to be president

Tupac Shakur

Bob Marley, too

that is an awesome site, thanks for sharing. i can't wait to see how many known attempts on Trump are revealed.

u forgot john lennon

John was killed in 1980

So if your initials has a K look the fuck out.

I'm turning 65 in a week...I remember the day JFK was killed like it was yesterday

I was at home, eating breakfast. I remember my mom crying and my dad sitting silent and saying nothing. It was spooky

I didn't realize Bobby announced the assassination of MLK at an event until I just watched a documentary. Can you imagine, after his brother and then MLK, the fear he must have carried? My aunt spoke to Bobby and Sirhan the night of his death, and my mom was home watching it LIVE. I can't imagine.

I mean, I sometimes think about bombs in public and at political rallies, it kinda pops up a little (more mistrust of police or a riot, than of a lonegun man), but I can't imagine all the assassinations, Kent State and even the Buddhist monks, what that was like on TV back then. No movie or show was as violent as reality.

Fred Hampton.

Notice how fast President Reagan started towing the line for the globalists after their attempt on his life.

All murdered by right wing fundamentalists for their liberal stance.

There's another framework for framing American politics? Please explain!

Huey Long's death is especially suspicious.

Well Huey Long was a very Vindictive, greedy and vengeful fellow as well as he was corrupt.

Won't deny he got things done, albeit half-assed (in their quality and origin of payment , but it was better than what existed) but the did them in ways that would provoke actions.

Yea, I'm not sure myself as to where Long's morality resides.

He grew up poor in relative to his time period and environment, kind of had a "off and on again" relationship in the private sector but campaigned in politics for the little guy against the State Establishment, albeit using less than reputable means like they all do,(I myself would have rather enjoyed his verbal and non-verbal attacks on his opponents).

He was a politician; one that was so good that LBJ looked up at him.

What makes me question his morality is his attacks against the occupations of non-political members when trying to gain the upper hand over others.

Or his interactions with the University and the people within the University of which he held a fondness for.

Well, JFK, anti communist, was killed by a communist. MLK was killed by a racist. MX was killed by political rivals, allegedly, and RFK, who supported Israel, was killed by an Arab terrorist.

Every single one of those people were murdered by the US Government. But you keep blaming the patsy's.

We have to keep waking people up. People at work, family members, friends etc. I know they think we're crazy so point out little things that give them a new perceptive.

What do you think about guys who transition to the opposite gender and have their penis and genitals surgically removed. Are they really women now?

Sometimes it's more like gang wars than stopping an influential person from 'liberating the people'.

question for /u/Dhylan when you were a kid was the corruption still as obvious as today? were you guys aware of the bullshit that government was built upon or is this a recent phenomenon that there's so many people putting on their tinfoil hats?

I am Huey Long's 2nd cousin twice removed. Heh.

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Lamest attempt yet that I've seen for that disinfo.

do you know if he got any children/grandchildren ? and if so are they in the game still ?

FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!

No no no...you have it all wrong...

You need to get as much of that tin foil up your ass as possible. That'll keep em at bay.

But watch this link first

https://youtu.be/5AdesKl4kz8

Sidenote : You know who doesn't get assassinated? Switzerland

Despite being the banking, pharmaceutical, and governing capital of the Western world. There are no 'secret powers' that want to kill leaders of Switzerland, for whatever reason.

"I have a dream that you'll all buy Super Male Virility."

lmao

Someone clearly has never played 4D Chutes N Ladders.

Maybe even god was tired of his BS

You seem upset.

MLK was a republican.

And leaves no note.

Yes, Ruppert would be on my list. He is one of several "suicides" where his so-called partner was rolled out and used a prop to quell any suspicion that he might have been murdered. The same happened with Michael Hasting's wife, and Aaron Swartz's mysterious girlfriend.

A few other "mysterious but convenient deaths" which were recorded as suicide or natural causes would be:

• Phillip Marshall - 9/11 whistleblower (suicided himself, his kids and his dog).
• Christopher Hitchens - Clinton mauler (virulent form of cancer)
• Hugo Chavez (virulent form of cancer)

Possibly but if John Lennon spoke out today, he might have more of an impact than a Roger Waters. Hard to speculate I guess. They were definitely lionized after death.

The Clintons have him beat by a mile

Ah but you see, the twist to this M Night Shamwow movie is that there are no bad M Night Shamwow movies

Oh, and we've all been assassinated already.

So every tv show?

Hardly. If anything I think MLK would disavow such a group. Malcolm X, on the other hand, would pretty much be their patron saint

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Lol! Maybe Malcolm X, but not MLK. MLK never went around talking about killing cops like BLM does. Fuck BLM.

Well as corrupt as American politics are, we aren't even close to the Russian oligarchs level

Only thing that bothers me about BLM is blocking traffic. They have no right to do that. People could be on the way to a wedding or funeral or surgery or other extremely important events.

I don't know. The timing was a little too convenient.

Bullshit. Far left extreme is the center in the eyes of the media. These motherfuckers treat ANTIFA like they aren't far left.

MLK would probably be considered center or right wing by today's standards.

MLK would be considered right wing by today's media, equal right for everyone? That's nazi talk, death to whitey!

I always got the impression that MLK would get discredited as a black apologist if he were alive today. Like Bill Cosby minus the raping. The Boondocks did a show about it and I could totally see it going down the way they tell it if MLK didn't die, but was instead put into a coma from the assassination and woke up today.

Ah, what was he killed over?

Thank you very much for the post I will look into this. I just learned about the history of the Jesuits and Swiss recently so I really know basically nothing

http://www.expatica.com/ch/education/Education-in-Switzerland_100021.html
They seem to have education figured out. The US could have modeled their system, but chose to make up some new pile of crap, with committees of unqualified goons, sending us down the education toilet.
The US could have modeled any decent national system, or modeled any decent upper class private system, but went for experimental whims, based around committees of morons, and lots of microsoft profit.
Watch as American kids learn to have more feelings, and world citizenship programming, when we could have easily modeled a successful system.
It will only cost a trillion to belly flop into a cesspool of faeces.

I think they've haven't been very illuminating and they've been VERY naughty.

It's so weird how much little kids like watching those toy unboxing videos.

He'd be viewed exactly like Clinton today. Old money, obtained in often mysterious ways, connected to many political powers-that-be, and a very centrist platform.

Im glad he ran all those years ago and is hailed as a great man, as opposed to a monster like Hillary.

people in this kind of conspiracy subs just can't believe a person can do something on their own

Right. It couldn't be the fact that considerable evidence proves or at least strongly suggests otherwise.

Confessions of a corporate hit man...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1441&amp;v=7MkCLMl344o

Twitter would ban them.

If they were around, BLM wouldn't be such a mess. They could focus the message and unite like none other.

I can understand that and I agree with you. I do think though that every person deserves to be heard. Of course if someone behaves the way you described it then it is different. But if a kid / teen shows genuine interest then I feel older people should offer them answers or explanations.

John was killed in 1980