A reminder regarding the importance of the new queue, and how the influx of voting in said queue can protect the subreddit from organized subversion.
62 2017-05-18 by AssuredlyAThrowAway
Hi all,
I just wanted to take a second, put my mod hat to the side, and talk for a bit about the importance of voting on content in the new queue.
There has been a substantial amount of lively debate on the sub over the past few months with regards to an influx of insipid content (political or otherwise) on the front page. To that end, we should consider the causes of such posts reaching the front page; firstly, the ability of users to submit what they wish with regards to the content of their submission (a fundamental maxim of the free exchange of information which defines this sub), and, secondly, the ability of users to vote on content as they wish (again, a core component of what defines a user generated aggregate with an ardent commitment to allowing information to flow freely).
If we consider those two factors, it is clear that to attempt to control the causes of insipid content and hive-mind voting would be to extinguish the very liberty which gives rise to this platform in the first place. The inference to which we are brought, then, is that because the latent causes of insipid posts and vacuous voting cannot be prevented (as they are thus sewn into the very fabric of the human condition, and therefore this platform), we are better served examining how to control their effects.
To that end, I am happy to say, the solution is far more simple than say, structuring a system of representative government to thwart the influence of monied faction; as all we must do, as a community, to truly curate content in a manner which reflects the actual userbase of this subbredit is to spend more time in the new queue.
This can be something difficult to get done on a daily basis, as one is obviously habituated to viewing the subreddit by its landing page (sorting by "hot" rather than "new"); however, something as simple as clicking over to the new queue, as seen in this image, and then setting that page (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/new/) as your browser's homepage, can fundamentally alter the course of how content flows on this subreddit.
So, I suppose, although it has been said in many different ways through the years, in order for this community to persevere in the face of organized subversion, spending time in the new queue is essential.
Sorry for the rant there, but I don't think it can be emphasized enough just quite how important it is for as many people as possible to be voting in the new queue and I thank you for indulging my verbosity.
15 comments
n/a soonerchad 2017-05-18
Thank you!
n/a L00kInside 2017-05-18
Maybe I'm a noob, but this was instantly back to 0 when I upvotes it. Probably just my confirmation bias at work /s
n/a TheMadQuixotician 2017-05-18
Thank you, it's the frontlines of this page that need the most attention.
Part of the reason why New is so important:
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6bwac1/a_reminder_that_paid_infiltration_is_very_much_a/?st=J2UHPOWL&sh=2717e596
n/a vea_ariam 2017-05-18
Thank you for this!
I prefer new over hot even if it is more frustrating.
Do you think the downvoting from 1-0 on the new section is organic? Or do you think it's a manipulation tactic? I ask because the upvoted content on new compared to what you would expect sometimes seems to be inverse. Especially the last few days.
I usually judge by content.
n/a yokothespacewhale 2017-05-18
This was my major in college. I do it for breakfast.
n/a flyinghighernow 2017-05-18
Nevertheless, even less-than-effective political electioneering regulations are better than none. If they weren't effective, we would not have a 5-4 partisan Supreme Court decision overturning 100 years of regulations -- because nobody would care!
Nobody would care to pretend that the use of the word "press" in the First Amendment equals the word "corporation.": Ha ha, so much for reading the text.
Providing a content-neutral system to reduce money in politics is possible. We know this for sure based on what happened after that Supreme Court decision Citizens United.
In the case of r/conspiracy, yours is the right approach! Better to rummage through a few bad posts than to risk the kind of manipulation that could be done by moderators with too much power. :)
n/a AssuredlyAThrowAway 2017-05-18
You'd enjoy Hugo Black's dissent in Connecticut General Life Insurance Co. v. Johnson from 1938, as the pattern of usurpation (via corporate standing in the law making process) goes back to the late 1800's;
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/303/77/case.html
I'm sure Justice Black would not be very pleased with Buckley v Valeo in 1978, or Citizens United.
Then again, What Madison was talking about in Federalist no.10 (which I was copying in form for my OP, hoping someone noticed hehe) was not so much how the Union can use electioneering processes to safeguard the Republic from the influence of monied faction, but rather how the system of governance in America could provide a structural check on the behavior by virtue of the varied parties (in his time), and the "honor of elected representatives". Sadly, neither of these really came to pass, therein representing the core breakdown of our system of governance and, therefore, allowing for the corporate usurpation of our Republic via the 14th amendment.
Its really all quite sad in context, as this Republic was a beautiful thing.
n/a flyinghighernow 2017-05-18
Very good history!
n/a Ninjakick666 2017-05-18
New queue is where I am at 99% of the time... much more variety and ya don't have to deal with all the frontpage trolls that are just there to shit on everything no matter what it is.
It's difficult to have a meaningful conversation once something hits the front...
n/a ABrilliantDisaster 2017-05-18
I do this but how much do our efforts help when surely the organised subverters do exactly the same?
n/a WayneMyers87 2017-05-18
yea, anything critical of Trump gets buried in the new queue already
n/a necro_clown 2017-05-18
I'm not a mod, but I've taken it upon myself to do my part in cleaning up this sub. Browsing new, voting accordingly and pointing out (without breaking rule 10) suspicious accounts fomenting insurrection and just generally causing drama, to other users in the thread. This is our sub and I'll be fanned if I just sit by and let these people leave their trash laying around here.
n/a NutritionResearch 2017-05-18
Obligatory Astroturfing Information Megathread for those who doubt that manipulators influence social media.
n/a mastigia 2017-05-18
New queue is also a lot of fun, it is a little raw and you get exposed to some of the more wild theories that, while they may be a little hard to accept, are a great deal of fun to explore.
n/a jubale 2017-05-18
I think I agree, but you really need to work on your language. Too many fancy words make it needlessly difficult to follow what you're saying.
n/a jafbm52 2017-05-18
I spend most of my time in the new queue