Also not FE but that videos grabs my attention. I have absolutely zero knowledge of rockets so i have no opinion on it..

But it is extremely interesting and i'd like to hear an explanation from someone with rocket knowledge. Maybe its some sort of sudden breaking system (like an air brake on a plane) but how the f*** would that work in space?

Is that the original sound? If so that is fascinating!

wow.

Is it possible that it hit a satellite? But then logically it would be destroyed.. hmmm.

That sound is tension on a cord to slow or stop it

Thats definitely be a plausible explanation. Is there anything documented about it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_de-spin

as stated in the #1 comment on this thread.

This is well known, spin in your chair with your arms and feet inward, then move your feet/arms outward. Very simple concept once you realize it.

Makes sense. Cheers, ive been scratching my head since seeing that video a few months back.

understandable, lots of interesting tricks and techniques that seem odd to us sitting here on solid ground. While im a skeptic/conspiracy buff i always try to look for the alternatives/facts before jumping to crazy conclusions. To make things even more obvious, this is a team of civilians, if they had discovered something that crazy they would blast it everywhere, and try to recreate the results.

I bet you haven't debunked as much as you think you have.

Hitting zero gravity

First thing i thought so i researched zero gravity point. According to Robert Frost [Engineer with specialization in spacecraft operations, orbital mechanics, and guidance & navigation] there is no zero point, other than infinity.

I dont understand his work, so dont shoot me down if its a crazy theory from him! :D

https://www.quora.com/At-what-height-does-the-Earths-gravity-become-zero-and-the-Moons-begin

How would that stop newtons 1st law? objects will remain in their state of motion unless a force acts to change the motion.

Losing a force thats continually pulling you down should mean that it speeds up upon reaching zero g. And dontnforget there isbt a magical threshold to breach to get into zero g. Its gradual based on distance from the object pulling on you.

Good job just spouting nonsnense wihtout research tho. Really helpful. Just livin up to your wonderful name im sure.

There is no boundry for 0 G, it's a continual transition, at no point do you suddenly become weightless.

On top of that, hitting actual 0G would mean you'dd have to be further away than geostationairy orbit, far beyond the reach of any amateur rocket.

That's a time lapsed video, but someone in the comments also said it's when the parachute opened

So stupid. Hitting a dome would destroy the rockets. As someone else said either hittomg zero gravity(which it looks like) or just slowing the video down.

If there's a dome, it may be mostly liquid helium due to temperature. Look up liquid helium super fluid.

Doesn't have that much weight to self-destruct in my opinion.

Why does your opinion matter? Do the math and show us the impact force isn't enough to damage it.

these people dont seem to realize that rocket is going multiple Mach speeds, like 2000+mph 2000mph-0 would destroy a feather.

this is funny to you... but you are OK with flatearth/dome concepts... surething

Mach is a plenty fine term when speaking of speed, its is a multiple of the speed of sound (761mph @ sea level)

I looked up the speed of this "tiny rocket" as you keep calling it and it weighted 724lbs at launch, 435lbs of its weight was propellant. It was 21ft tall, 10 inches diameter, and it reacheds speeds as high as 3580MPH or MACH 4.6

I dont care what your material is, if it is light weight cardboard or solid titanium, if something slams into a semi dense material at mach 4.6 it will cause significant damage.

This rocket was likely a composite (carbon fiber/fiberglass) and aluminum construction with ceramic components for the hot end.

in the video you can not see immediate stoppage, just sudden stop in rotation, and decrease in acceleration. This rocket did hit space, however it did not have enough velocity to escape earths gravity well, or enough vertical velocity to orbit.

once you accelerate something from 0 to 3580mph and stop accelerating its going to slow down even in "space" so close to earth due to air friction/resistance.

you are tagged as well, and correctly so.

your question was answered many times

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_de-spin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCtNqD-jlPE

http://imgur.com/olKzaoZ

And plenty of other examples, Dummy.

what comment made no sense?

because you dont know.

So, you don't believe in the dome but now you are telling us what it's composed of?
Sorry, but you don't get to do that. No one who even believes knows what it's composed of.
If the dome is there, standard physics and such are out the window so we can't say it would explode or whatever.

Yes I told you what I thought. That's what people do on forums.

Yeah this video made me go huh? The firmament/dome that is talked about in the bible references water. It sounds like its hitting water but i dont see water?

You realize theres water above the dome right?

I probably didn't word that right. Per the flat earth theory there is water above the dome. Kinda dick move to downvote me without waiting for an answer. But you do you cowboy.

I don't think he meant to imply he had evidence. But as for the idea of water being outside the dome..

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

If I could use the bible as evidence.

God spoke: “Sky! In the middle of the waters; separate water from water!” God made sky. He separated the water under sky from the water above sky. And there it was: he named sky the Heavens; It was evening, it was morning— Day Two. Genesis 1:6‭-‬8 MSG

A couple weeks back I searched for some diving videos w/sound:

(runs 6:59) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8_Yzc7RUIg&t=165s

Look up helium super fluid.

Mayb the rocket stopped firing correctly

It didn't stop dead though, and there's no evidence of it hitting anything...

I mean there's a video of it stopping very suddenly.

Whether it's an object or a force, something made it stop, and there's a video with evidence. So I'm not sure what you're on about.

[disclaimer: I don't have an opinion on flat-earth. Just saying you're being illogical]

No, the video shows it rapidly slows it's spinning. It doesn't show it stop moving. I hope you understand that a rocket travelling at that speed, colliding with anything, would obliterate it completely, not just slow it's spin.

How do you know that it comes to an abrupt halt? Why can it not still being ascending ?

The spinning is caused by friction with the air, once that goes maybe it stops spinning? (though with 1st law not sure)

Also if the earth is flat, are other planets flat as well or are they round? If flat, are they all alligned with us like so | | | -- | | |, and if the others are round why would only earth be flat?

That reasoning is getting old. We only see lights in the sky.

I don't know if you're genuine or larping with that username

It stops spinning, how do you know that it's no longer going 'up'? I mean unless the camera continued for an hour or so and the land didn't change at all but you don't get that.

There used to be a video of this with the speed and altitude in real time. The rocket goes from a very rapid rate of ascension to a dead stop.

Used to be, going to need more than that billy boy.

Then that data was probably fake, because the actual flight data shows it ascends another 15,000-ish feet after the stabilizer triggers.

What's the original video? Where was it launched from?

Chances it just ran out of fuel + sound edited?

How did they retrieve the cameras from the rocket?

Salt flats nevada

I thought the same thing, interesting how it cuts out right afterwards. Plus if it had full fuel, wouldn't it blow up if it hit a flat surface?

The so-called dome may not be a hard surface, but rather a force, or a force before you would reach the dome. Maybe that's what they tried to break through in Operation Fishbowl.

The original video doesn't cut out for a while after, and you can hear a second sound similar to the first when it jettisons the booster section.

https://youtu.be/001IXnp0ogc

If it hit the dome the rocket would break bounce off still great flat earth video.

what sort of speed was that? That would probably kill astronauts. The abrupt stop,I mean.

No one on board tho

I feel like if a rocket going that fast hit something solid it would crumple instantly like a coke can slammed into a brick wall.

So the flimsier it is, the stronger it is..

What happens when you make a paper airplane and throw it at the wall? What happens to the impact site?

now throw that paper airplane at the wall at multiple mach... what happens to the paper airplane.

even if you just figure the camera, the many G's it would hit if it was stopped dead would have destroyed many if not all cameras

We have to allow that there are still unknowns in the field of science, which is discovering new things constantly. There may be an unknown force preventing spaceflight, hence Operation Fishbowl, fake Moon Landing, fake pictures and so on.

Why are you ignoring this post https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6c3nwz/had_enough_of_this_flat_earth_shit_there_is_one/dhrnf33/ which explains it?

Because most of us know that wikipedia is government run.

Because most of us know that wikipedia is government run.

Then address the technology he talks about. You are deflecting.

It's not a technology. It was an excuse given in response to the video going viral years several years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_de-spin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZqbjQ9ASc8

Thank you.

This is the answer. Case debunked.

crickets from OP, I bet.

lmfao

That info was put out after the original go fast video went viral showing the speed and altitude come to an abrupt halt at the same time you hear it hit the dome. This is damage control. They also put out copyright strikes on all videos that had the speed/altitude data. Still trying to find a backup.

It isn't healthy to get so upset when presented with facts you disagree with.

Who is upset? I said i was going to try to find a backup of the original video with speed/altitude readout.

That info was put out after the original go fast video went viral showing the speed and altitude come to an abrupt halt at the same time you hear it hit the dome. This is damage control. They also put out copyright strikes on all videos that had the speed/altitude data. Still trying to find a backup.

The lack of evidence, the saying it was damage control with out any proof, and your general tone indicate that you are upset.

If you really want to get upset try to describe your view of the planet using math...

I'd call shenanigans on anything showing an abrupt halt to speed or altitude. You can download the actual flight data from the website of the launchers of the rocket (http://ddeville.com/derek/CSXT.htm). Itr shows the rocket accelerating until the rocket motor cuts out, then it decelerates until it reaches peak altitude, accelerates until it deploys parachute, then it drifts to the ground.

Who cares if the earth is flat

If the Earth was flat there'd be concrete evidence that everything is a simulation

If Earth was flat, how does it prove that everything is a simulation?

It wouldn't be proof per se, but it'd be evidence that our current understanding is false.

Well, then what if you look at it like the people that believe the earth is sphere, their current understanding is false, but the FE'rs (sp?) understanding is true?

It only implies the sphere is untrue. It doesn't prove the FE model nor the simulation model true. Maybe my initial statement was rushed because it doesn't prove anything is a simulation at all

Maybe its a creation and not a simulation?

The video was slowed down to create 'it hit teh domes.' Its bullshit.

In a earlier video the were saying the stop is caused by a release of a cord that was around the rocket that was wound in opposite of the rotation. This was done on purpose so they could get a good video.

What's that?

Also look into laser and light tests over long distances that you shouldn't see at that distance and that height above the ground. The one thing you can test by yourself too.

I mean, just think about this for one or two seconds...

If there were a dome and this rocket just "hit the dome," what would happen next?

One possibility is the weakest point in the structure will collapse, causing the rocket to be destroyed. It would hardly be difficult to imagine this. The video subtext claims the rocket reached an altitude of 76 miles. The video is 2:00 long (and doesn't begin directly at launch, so using the 2:00 time to calculate speed is conservative). That means the rocket is traveling at an average of 2000 miles per hour, if we assume that the altitude it achieved was limited by the "dome," as is the implication here. Does it make sense that an amateur rocket built of cheaply rated materials hitting a solid dome going 2000 miles an hour will survive the impact?

Let's say it did survive the impact. If you read the following explanation of "center of pressure" of a rocket, you'll note that it would be physically impossible for the rocket to maintain an orientation perpendicular to the surface of the alleged "dome" after coming into contact with it, if the engines are still providing propulsive force. It would collapse against the dome, and possibly change trajectory towards a path away from the dome. If this happened, you'd see the surface of the dome very clearly in the video and you'd have no argument from me whatsoever that an impact with a solid surface occurred.

https://spaceflightsystems.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/rktcp.html

Unfortunately for you, this is just an extremely silly example of the flat earth ruse, a decades old joke that for whatever reason, people are either taking seriously now, or simply acting as if they are more serious than they in fact are.

I think they bombed the firmament 100's of times during operation fish bowl to map it. You should check it out.

I mean, you THINK that, but it doesn't make it true that there is any evidence whatsoever for it, because there isn't.

Have you researched it yourself?

I don't have to. I'm absolutely certain the earth is round and that the heliocentric theory is the only plausible explanation for what we observe in the heavens. This is backed up by literally thousands of years of astronomical observation and research. It's also confirmed by data and born out in the thousands and thousands of physical principals based on that understanding of the universe. In short, there is certainly plethora of evidence for the accepted model of the universe, therefore, a model which contradicts this one cannot be accurate, and until you are able to evidence the theory you propose, or even evidence that the accepted model is incorrect, with actual evidence instead of just speculation, you are just a LARPy bullshitter polluting this sub with nonsense.

https://i.redd.it/68vufucxoxqy.jpg

Yeah, that's literally more unsubstantiated bullshit topped off with a buzzword to make it seem somewhat pertinent to the majority of content on this sub, while it's obviously not.

Unless you want to prove mathematically that there are contradictions or inconsistencies between the theories listed in that image...

I'll wait.

Dont hold your breath

Sigh

That's what I thought.

Why do you spend so much time pushing BS while ignoring easily verifiable facts?

I mean you can't claim to just be interested in the truth if you ignore what can easily be observed.

You can't claim to really care, since proving the earth is flat would be incredibly easy if it was true and you won't do it. Just make a documentary of your trip to the end of the earth. That is literally all you'd have to do, and if you are proven correct you'd be rich and famous.

Since you won't do that, what are you really spending the time for? Anyone who care's can prove the world is round, so it's not an argument you can ever win. Why waste your time on it?

You'd be better off proving that alcohol and opiates are perfectly safe to take together.

Why are you so determined to inhibit conspiracy discussion on a conspiracy sub? If you had spent some time researching you would know that there is no way to prove the Earth is a sphere unless you are TPTB. We have plenty of proof now showing that ISS feeds are cgi/greenscreen/harness/parapolicflight/underwater to give the illusion of weightlessness. Why are you so vehemently in support of the official narrative?

I'm all for discussing real conspiracies, but this isn't one.

If you had spent some time researching you would know that there is no way to prove the Earth is a sphere unless you are TPTB.

Anyone can prove it's a sphere, you can fly a plane both east and west and either way end up in the same place. That alone proves that it's not flat, and people do this all the time. You can also make your own weather balloon with a camera on it and take pictures of the curvature of the earth yourself.

Why are you so vehemently in support of the official narrative?

Who exactly is controlling this narrative? If it was false it would be easy enough to prove. You haven't explained or defined exactly what the TPTB specifically is, or how they can prevent basic empirical observation.

People figured out not only that the world was round, but it's size simply by using math and measuring the shadows of two obelisks in two cities before we even had the tech to fly.

Discussing conspiracies are pointless if you just decide facts, math, physics don't matter. Not to mention you personally refusing to verify the easily verifiable is not just the result of TPTB. It's you signaling the fact that you personally don't care about the very thing you spend so much time on.

So again I ask, why bother wasting your time on something you clearly don't care about? Are you just part of an organized effort to water down conspiracy discussions?

Your title literally says "rocket."

Maybe 20% are just keyboard warrior retards goading you into believing incredible bullshit for fun. It's just frankly fucking sad if you think this is a video of a rocket hitting plexiglass.

Oh right, you never made any statements. On the contrary, I provided you ample physically verifiable calculable resources that refute the idea this rocket is "hitting a dome." The top comment right now has two links for a physically verifiable, real world alternative explanation for the dome hitting "theory." You claim you have "successfully debunked" the rest of "flat earth," yet you seem to be clinging to this "evidence" as if it's something unexplainable without the flat earth hypothesis, which ignores all physical discovery and observation for thousands of years. Yet this is probably the most easily debunked piece of "evidence" that exists. The fact that you are unwilling to accept the actual explanation of this phenomenon speaks volumes.

Do you accept that the video you originally claimed not to have been debunked, has now been reasonably debunked?

21 ft is not a small rocket... 724lbs launch weight, and 435 lbs of propellant is not a small rocket. reaching speeds of 3580mph OR Mach 4.6 is not "small" speeds by anyone's account.

http://ddeville.com/derek/CSXT.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Space_eXploration_Team

just a few with a quick google.

It ran out of propellant

That is what I tried to explain to my Dad -.-/

That's not a very accurate example. The plane has horizontal speed and wings to glide on. The rocket is flying vertically and therefore is only being pushed by the rocket. The propellant is the only thing driving the rocket to spin.

You don't think that the air drives the rotation? Think logically: rocket propels itself to a place with gradually less atmosphere for the fins to create horizontal lift (spin).

is the "dome" made of outer space?

Removed. Rule 10.

I've reapproved it, but in the future, try to address the argument or ignore it rather than insulting the person's intelligence.

If you look closely at the video you will see that the shadows coming off the ridges are not very long, indicating the sun is at a relatively high position in the sky. The sun however appears very close to the horizon in many of the frames.

some screen grabs

Watched it, saw nothing except the rate of spinning decreased.

Go home flat earthers, you are drunk.

Absolutely every poster here has not seen the shape of the entire earth with their own eyes.
I don't understand, other than shilling or blind faith, how anyone can believe with all their heart, mind, and soul that the Earth is flat, round, pear-shaped, donut-shaped etc.
This has got to be one of the top three conspiracies that should be proven 1000% but so many are positive it's round without seeing the shape themselves.
Insanity.
You simply can't just say "I've seen a curved horizon, all the planets and moons are round, NASA says so, Carl Sagan says so, Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson say so, there's live feeds, etc." That is not good enough.

There are really great humans who have healthy relationships with families and friends, who have a typical 9-5, etc. that are not "retarded" but are truly curious about the true nature of the shape of the Earth. What comes with this curiosity is why would all of these different organizations and outlets lie to the world about the shape?
But no, what do us who are curious about this subject get instead? Condescension by those who feel superior because of the years of round Earth propaganda fed since they were children.
There can be discussions about remote controlled jetliners, aliens, multiverses, dark matter, reincarnation, remote viewing, hidden technology hidden in Antartica, HAARP, etc, but Yah forbid we talk about just the thought, the possibility that the Earth may not be round.

sure you can talk about it, but most people will continue to think you are stupid.

It's a de-spin device and these guys were never trying to prove anything about a dome. A true flat earther would know that this rocket didn't travel high enough or long enough to have hit the dome if it does exist. Unfortunately, someone pushing disinformation took the footage and altered it for that "hitting the dome in 3...2...1" drama to discredit anyone taking the dome and FE theory seriously.

lol the Earth isn't flat

Where's the rest of the video? The video ends like 5 seconds after the rocket "stops" but with the exception of the beginning of the launch you can't really judge any movement of the rocket going up using a short 5 second window. Go ahead and try it by going back 5 seconds before it stops (like where the countdown starts). How discernible is the rockets upward trajectory in those five seconds? Now go back ten seconds from the start of the countdown and there still isn't much noticeable upward movement.

Give me a video that's like half a minute longer. You should be able to judge that the rocket has moved further from earth in that time, and if it hasn't, I'll admit that this rocket stopped.

Then we need to work on what awesome material the dome is that makes a flimsy rocket able to got from like 2000 mph to zero instantaneously without damaging it, at all.

Do people really take this flat earth shit seriously? I mean every piece of imperical evidence that's available shows that the earth is not flat. For what purpose? Nearly every piece of your existence is reliant on the fact that it is not flat. Go to the ocean, see for yourself...you can visibly see the curvature of the horizon. Every other planet in the known universe is spherical, there are laws of physics that show why. There is no possibility of a flat earth, why waste time and energy on useless endeavors.

Please question what you are told, verify what you are taught. But to keep questioning this is ludicrous.

If the Earth was flat there'd be concrete evidence that everything is a simulation

I probably didn't word that right. Per the flat earth theory there is water above the dome. Kinda dick move to downvote me without waiting for an answer. But you do you cowboy.

I don't think he meant to imply he had evidence. But as for the idea of water being outside the dome..

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

I think they bombed the firmament 100's of times during operation fish bowl to map it. You should check it out.

So, you don't believe in the dome but now you are telling us what it's composed of?
Sorry, but you don't get to do that. No one who even believes knows what it's composed of.
If the dome is there, standard physics and such are out the window so we can't say it would explode or whatever.

It wouldn't be proof per se, but it'd be evidence that our current understanding is false.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_de-spin

as stated in the #1 comment on this thread.

This is well known, spin in your chair with your arms and feet inward, then move your feet/arms outward. Very simple concept once you realize it.

That is what I tried to explain to my Dad -.-/

If I could use the bible as evidence.

God spoke: “Sky! In the middle of the waters; separate water from water!” God made sky. He separated the water under sky from the water above sky. And there it was: he named sky the Heavens; It was evening, it was morning— Day Two. Genesis 1:6‭-‬8 MSG

The so-called dome may not be a hard surface, but rather a force, or a force before you would reach the dome. Maybe that's what they tried to break through in Operation Fishbowl.

The original video doesn't cut out for a while after, and you can hear a second sound similar to the first when it jettisons the booster section.

https://youtu.be/001IXnp0ogc

That's not a very accurate example. The plane has horizontal speed and wings to glide on. The rocket is flying vertically and therefore is only being pushed by the rocket. The propellant is the only thing driving the rocket to spin.