They don't. End of story.

It's all manufactured gibberish to cover the tracks of US corruption and failure, and blame it all on some other entity beside themselves.

It's scapegoating.

This. The Elite have controlled both China and Russia since way back.

There is none. Clinton's people came up with it in the hours after she lost the election. It's mostly meant to explain her loss but also the Deep State and Dem moneybags like Soros need a new bogeyman and detest Russia (who is blocking a pipeline in Syria wanted by the US-Saudi-Israel axis of evil

Clinton's people came up with it in the hours after she lost the election.

Is this the new line now? You're not the first person I've seen trying to rewrite history in this way. I wonder if this kind of revisionism will work?

The fact is, as early as 2015 there were stories about trump and Putin's relationship. By March and April of 2016 there were numerous stories discussing ties between people in his campaign and the Russians. And in the pre-election debates, Clinton flat-out called him Putin's puppet, in one of the most repeated and broadcast and discussed exchanges of all the debates. ("You're the puppet!")

So claiming that discussing a Trump-Russia connection was cooked up after the election is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

What is the last irrefutable incident that you are aware of in us politics that the russians perpetrated without question that had any measurable impact on the american way of life? OP name checks out, sms btfo by nintendo. Doesnt know how to puck a winner.

Oh Jesus it was a mistake, yes, earlier. Happy? Get a life

The line that Trump and Putin are too close is way earlier. Check out this email from December 2015!

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/25651#efmAMIANI

It doesn't but it is stopping the U.S. building a pipeline through Syria by aiding it's ally Assad.

To believe the Russian narrative, you first have to believe the email fiasco was a hack, not a leak. I'm assuming a lot of people with large businesses, or politicians, have ties to Russia. It was never a big deal until the Russian narrative started getting pushed. What happened was Russia was declared the enemy, and then "ties to Russia" were found retroactively. That's why Clinton, Podesta, and a bunch of other people had "ties to Russia" dug up. It was no big deal until all of a sudden it was.

Its nothing about actual threats its just a line by donald supporters to try and dismiss it, its about corruption in the trump administration and that its ties are so heavy to russia that he may or may not have colluded with them at some point thus the investigation. The ties cant even be disputed at this point they are easily available facts.

If thats where your logic ends, cool - but explain to me why they are acting like its all a big mystery and why nobody in the previous administration did anything about it, if it is such a reality and such a big problem?

You realize that both the NSA and CIA have the capabilities to intercept any and all communications? If the Trump admin had ties to Russia, this is not something that would happen overnight. This would be decades in the making - the NSA and CIA would have known all about it, prior to him even running.

Now, I don't particularly care for Trump - but at some point you have to realize that you are being duped by this Russia agenda. Either:

A - they have known about the Russia/trump admin connection for a long time now, and they are all in on it and dont care, and are just jerking the public around for divisive purposes

Or

B - there is no legitimate Russia connection, and they are just jerking with the public.

Either way, you MUST realize that they are jerking you around. You must realize this

Just look at the sources, Washington Post, the current employer of John Podesta, NYT whose coverage of Trump has been almost entirely negative. Then comes in the "unnamed" sources that could literally be anyone (whose personal agenda can't be up for ridicule since they are not named) and lastly you have the media sensationalization of every breathe that man takes; articles are written in a way to trick the reader, everything he does "can possibly" "is unheard of", the "journalists" of the MSM are clearly pushing an agenda by making your mind up for you with their Op-ed style of writing that's so widely accepted now.

I know that the russia narrative is bullshit; but i look at it this way- i believe it is a psyop and trump is totally in on the psyop to keep the argument and public discord up.

The reason I think that is for many reasons. One of which, you just explained by applying some very simple observational skills and logic - why doesn't trump and his staff do the same? Its so easy and obvious to point out who the players are, and why the pieces fall where the fall. This is not an accident.

Another reason is because we have a CIA and NSA with the highest surveillance powers possible - they would have all of the answers. Neither Trump or his opposition is saying "wtf, we could solve this in two seconds, just do it already."

The psyop is obvious when you realize that they want YOU to sort through the puzzle; but when you figure it out, you never ask why they aren't doing it themselves

I think the good guys prefer to operate in the shadows anyway - good guys would invoke positive change and let the bad guys take credit for it because all they care about is positive outcome; they don't need to gloat. The people we see on the stage are precisely bad actors (in my opinion of course).

I personal believe is in the High Level Insider - everyone has their views, and that makes the most sense to me

the sources isnt washington post its facts you can look up their business ties if you actually look at the sources but since apparently they employ the democratic ras al ghul you can just dismiss them out of hand so convenient i bet you say every CNN article with a anon source BS despite every second one getting confirmed and the whitehouse constant complaining of illegal leaks from inside the WH.

Long story short, this would imply that the Russia narrative is a psyop that Trump is equally participating in with the establishment to dupe the public into arguing about it - this is just like the obama birth certificate to cover up obamas cia past

Lol bluepill you. That's an accurate enough request.

First, Putin is ex-KGB, so not quite post-communist Russia. Second, Russia is controlled by an oligarchy now, so almost post-communist. Russia is completely controlled by the Soviet Unions old deep state. They want to dismantle NATO and the best way to do that is to weaken the USA. Motives are all there, swaying foreign elections isn't a new thing to Russia (nor to the US, but that's whataboutism). Trump and some of his cabinet members have clear ties to Russia, most notably to the oil barons.

TL;DR the Russian oligarchy wants to establish an [open] American oligarchy.

Motives are all there, swaying foreign elections isn't a new thing to Russia (nor to the US, but that's whataboutism).

Actually, in this case it isn't. The US specifically interfered in Russian elections, so any Russian interference in US elections could be seen as retaliation.

Whataboutism would be "hey, they did it too", whereas this is more like "they did it to us, so we're doing it back".

Because Israel.

https://geopolitics.co/2017/03/01/covert-war-between-russia-and-khazarian-jewry/

Somebody please bluepill me

i think you mean "red pill" ;)

No, I think he meant "bluepill".

Essentially, he's saying he has already been "redpilled" and thus believes the Russia narrative is false, and he's asking someone to convince him it's not.

I've yet to hear it articulated 1. Why Russia would want Trump over Clinton 2. What exactly they supposedly did to interfere with the election

Hillary used a non government server while sec os state. Podesta had a lame p@ssword and staffers were probably phished. If they were so smart and new Russia was out to get them you'd think they would have been more careful.

They aren't. Israel is

Seth Rich = Russian hacking. John Podesta came up with the Russia idea in the final days of the campaign as an excuse for why they lost because they had not planned on losing a rigged election. JP is now a contributor at Wapo as well as the fact that Amazon CEO and staunch Trump hater Jeff Bezos is the owner of the publication it's not a surprise you hear breathless accusations based on imaginary hearsay sources all day every day. In addition to that NYT is owned by Trump Hating billionaire Mexican Carlos Slim paired with all the main news outlets, many of whom had correspondences with the Clinton campaign throughout the election on how to swing it in her favor, you get a very desperate establishment who had no plan for Trump and are throwing all they have at him (and don't have) hoping it will stick. Special prosecutor and absence of Comey may end up proving that a lot of the loudest in the left and never-Trumper right are actually the ones guilty of crimes.

Alternative timeline, ZE RUSKIES ARE COMING!

Yeah sure, but that's still a motive. Saying that it's just retaliation is whataboutism. We shouldn't have done it, but that doesn't make the retaliation right either.