Or maybe the assassin meant to make it look like a botched robbery attempt and Rich got sent to the doctor who has ties to Podesta, and was then killed.
If he were assassinated via a double-tap it would look like an assassination, which would warrant a full scale investigation. As it stands, he's dead, via what appears to be, a botched robbery, which is an open-and-shut case.
We agree Seth was murdered.
We agree the murderers are still at large and the case is not solved
So why would Wikileaks be so interested in solving this, what vested interest would they have outside of it exposing something more?
Why would they (and be the only ones) offer a reward for information?
If anyone including the DNC had any interest in putting this to bed then why would they try to do everything possible to stop the investigation or obstruct it?
The reason this conspiracy lives on is because it isn't resolved and those who stand to lose the most if it is in fact true seem to be the only ones not interested in solving it.
That's a very good point. Democrats/Liberals/DNC members should be making the biggest fuss of all to get this solved. This was one of their boys. Why do they want everyone to just accept that this was a "botched robbery" and move on?
Especially since they could use it multiple ways to promote their narratives. example:
Play SR as a russian agent who was leaking, got caught and obviously Russia did him in. RUSSIANS!!!!
Play SR (HRC already tried) as another victim of senseless gun violence. GUN CONTROL NEEDED NOW!!!!
Good point, why aren't liberals making Seth Rich the poster boy for gun control? If that criminal hadn't gotten his hands on a gun so easily, Seth Rich would still be alive. This is the NRA's fault!
It wouldn't work because D.C. Has very strict gun laws so it would go against their narrative and for the gun lobby saying well if he had a gun he could of protected himself.
I'm having a hard time believing wikileaks wants this solved. If they have proof that Seth Rich was the leaker why not release it? I know that is not their policy to do that but the leaker is dead and this would put a stop to all of this Russia stuff. Plus give the family answers. Not releasing proof just keeps this going.
how do you explain all the bruises Seth Rich had on his hands and face. why would wikileaks offer a huge reward for some random person who was murdered during a botched robbery? Why do you believe Brad Bauman, who is a known DNC operative who deals in crisis management. How do you explain David Brock being on the board of directors for Brad Bauman's foundation? There is way too much that doesn't add up. Plus, when the media is pushing their narrative as forcefully as they have been lately, that is a dead giveaway that something is up. This whole thing is fucky, and I just want the truth. The actual truth, not a truth that was thought up in some boardroom meeting.
If you think it's fishy that Bauman is connected to David Brock, what is your opinion on Ed Butowsky, the friend of Steve Brannon who financed the "investigation" that yielded the fake story about the laptop and emails to dinosaur? Or the fact that Bukowsky visited the White House a few weeks ago? That seems way more concrete a connection.
"most inept assassin"? How so? Because he/she didn't hang around waiting to check a pulse? Why bother if you know the police chief is on your side along with the DNC and the doctors at the hospital.
To answer questions one and two, maybe they didn't want it to look like an assassination. For question 3, maybe the assassins didn't take Seth's personal belongings in the off chance they were detained by police. Having the property of a man who was found dead in the streets is a dead giveaway that you did it. Duh. I don't think a double tap is the only way to send a message. A couple bullets to the back still sends a strong message. And in general, a couple bullets to the back will normally kill someone pretty quickly. The fact that he survived for awhile is probably just a fluke.
You're right, there's no way this was done by a professional. A professional would have used a sniper rifle from a mile away, and put a bullet right between his eyes. That's the only way professionals work.
Then it would be an obvious hit job because I promise if someone was shot with a "sniper" rifle in D.C. It would put up a lot of red flags vs botched robbery.
What if it was the Russians that killed him, to throw everyone off their trail? We need to find the people responsible so we can rule that out. Democrats should want this to be solved ASAP. If it was the Russians, then maybe Trump was involved!
Even if this was just a totally random, "botched robbery," it doesn't change the fact that it was Seth Rich who leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks, and not the Russians. But the fact that the guy who leaked the emails got executed in the streets shortly after is just way to big of a coincidence for me. Anything's possible, but I think the most logical explanation is that he was assassinated. Corrupt politicians like Hillary Clinton absolutely do not give a fuck about taking out their enemies. It's just business.
You first. Show me the conclusive evidence that it was the Russians.
This doesn't really help to further the conversation. We're in a conspiracy sub, the proof for a lot of this stuff is going to be hard to find and circumstantial. No one here can prove that it was the Russians and no one can prove that Seth Rich did the leaking. Demanding proof isn't going to get us anywhere.
They have a high degree of confidence that Mr. Rich was source of the emails. By offering a reward, they are signalling that they will work to ensure the security of potential future leakers.
They have a low degree of confidence or are otherwise uncertain as to the identity of their source, but still wish to project the image that they will work to ensure the security of sources.
They have no information indicating that Mr. Rich was the source of DNC documents... but also have a reasonable degree of confidence that the Seth Rich homicide investigation will not be solved.
3a. They are purposefully misdirecting in order to obfuscate their true source.
3b. They are purposefully misdirecting so as to lower confidence in the DNC, and deflect from accusations that Mr. Assange and the Wikileaks organizations have a working relationship with Russian intelligence services.
So you’re making the incompetence defense here. Let’s apply the same standard to the criminal investigation of Seth Rich’s murder … or to you own line of reasoning. There are plenty of unanswered questions surrounding Rich’s death. But the notion that answers should not be sought because the killer(s) were incompetent is like dismissing the lies of a veteran politician because normally he’s so much better at it.
He was probably running from them and its not all that easy to get a head shot on a moving target. Apparently he said "I've got heat" over the phone just before it happened, so he was aware that he was being stalked.
Because they didn't want it to look like an assassination.
Because they panicked, or because they were afraid of getting caught while stealing his stuff since they had just fired two shots, or a host of other reasons. Perhaps they just weren't that concerned with making it look like a robbery, but didn't want it to look like an assassination. There are tons of potential answers to this.
I disagree with your conclusions. The hitman or hitmen may have been a bit sloppy, but that is well within the realm of possibility.
Hillary's people would NEVER kill someone; she's just an old lady who wants good for the world. And even if she did want to kill someone they would NEVER make a mistake/do a sloppy job. Stop looking into this right now goy!! Nothing to see here
Nice post history, OP. I see you like to suck down the CNN. Probably believe that shit, too. It makes way more sense that it was an assassination. A robber would have taken, well, fucking anything.
Good point, why aren't liberals making Seth Rich the poster boy for gun control? If that criminal hadn't gotten his hands on a gun so easily, Seth Rich would still be alive. This is the NRA's fault!
If you think it's fishy that Bauman is connected to David Brock, what is your opinion on Ed Butowsky, the friend of Steve Brannon who financed the "investigation" that yielded the fake story about the laptop and emails to dinosaur? Or the fact that Bukowsky visited the White House a few weeks ago? That seems way more concrete a connection.
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n/a VonnegutWasRight 2017-05-24
This theory is too logical. It's not going to fly with the mass exodus of "refugees" here.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-05-24
You watch too many movies.
n/a natetom 2017-05-24
Or maybe the assassin meant to make it look like a botched robbery attempt and Rich got sent to the doctor who has ties to Podesta, and was then killed.
n/a VonnegutWasRight 2017-05-24
So they just wanted to make him suffer? Isn't he out of Podesta's preferred age?
n/a natetom 2017-05-24
No...they wanted to make it look like a botched robbery.
n/a IHateSherrod 2017-05-24
I sure hope this was tongue in cheek
n/a RocketSurgeon22 2017-05-24
DNC assassins trained in safe spaces don't do so well in the real world.
n/a Alansmithee541 2017-05-24
If he were assassinated via a double-tap it would look like an assassination, which would warrant a full scale investigation. As it stands, he's dead, via what appears to be, a botched robbery, which is an open-and-shut case.
That's how you successfully assassinate someone.
n/a Edogawa1983 2017-05-24
what if he had survived..
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-05-24
Maybe it wasn't the bullets that actually killed him, and the assassin knew that no matter what, the target would not survive? I present the CIA "heart attack" gun which was tech from the 70's.
n/a mrbojingles1972 2017-05-24
Fair enough.
Questions for you.
We agree Seth was murdered. We agree the murderers are still at large and the case is not solved
So why would Wikileaks be so interested in solving this, what vested interest would they have outside of it exposing something more?
Why would they (and be the only ones) offer a reward for information?
If anyone including the DNC had any interest in putting this to bed then why would they try to do everything possible to stop the investigation or obstruct it?
The reason this conspiracy lives on is because it isn't resolved and those who stand to lose the most if it is in fact true seem to be the only ones not interested in solving it.
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
That's a very good point. Democrats/Liberals/DNC members should be making the biggest fuss of all to get this solved. This was one of their boys. Why do they want everyone to just accept that this was a "botched robbery" and move on?
n/a mrbojingles1972 2017-05-24
Especially since they could use it multiple ways to promote their narratives. example:
Play SR as a russian agent who was leaking, got caught and obviously Russia did him in. RUSSIANS!!!! Play SR (HRC already tried) as another victim of senseless gun violence. GUN CONTROL NEEDED NOW!!!!
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
Good point, why aren't liberals making Seth Rich the poster boy for gun control? If that criminal hadn't gotten his hands on a gun so easily, Seth Rich would still be alive. This is the NRA's fault!
n/a icallhorsetits 2017-05-24
It wouldn't work because D.C. Has very strict gun laws so it would go against their narrative and for the gun lobby saying well if he had a gun he could of protected himself.
n/a Tacomano123 2017-05-24
Because they are brainwashed fools! Madow told me it was fake news!
n/a jmflna 2017-05-24
I'm having a hard time believing wikileaks wants this solved. If they have proof that Seth Rich was the leaker why not release it? I know that is not their policy to do that but the leaker is dead and this would put a stop to all of this Russia stuff. Plus give the family answers. Not releasing proof just keeps this going.
n/a PopeInnocentIX 2017-05-24
Wikileaks is not the only one offering a reward, the DC police offered $25k.
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/d-c-police-family-of-slain-dnc-staffer-seth-rich/article_dc98d83c-c674-5136-b681-b20d930fcb0c.html
Who the fuck keeps perpetuating this myth?
n/a EnoughNoLibsSpam 2017-05-24
does the DC police normally offer $25K for info on unsolved murders?
n/a OrbisTertius 2017-05-24
how do you explain all the bruises Seth Rich had on his hands and face. why would wikileaks offer a huge reward for some random person who was murdered during a botched robbery? Why do you believe Brad Bauman, who is a known DNC operative who deals in crisis management. How do you explain David Brock being on the board of directors for Brad Bauman's foundation? There is way too much that doesn't add up. Plus, when the media is pushing their narrative as forcefully as they have been lately, that is a dead giveaway that something is up. This whole thing is fucky, and I just want the truth. The actual truth, not a truth that was thought up in some boardroom meeting.
n/a CaptainApollyon 2017-05-24
and knees
he got thrown from a car.
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-05-24
If you think it's fishy that Bauman is connected to David Brock, what is your opinion on Ed Butowsky, the friend of Steve Brannon who financed the "investigation" that yielded the fake story about the laptop and emails to dinosaur? Or the fact that Bukowsky visited the White House a few weeks ago? That seems way more concrete a connection.
n/a frankthecrank1 2017-05-24
"most inept assassin"? How so? Because he/she didn't hang around waiting to check a pulse? Why bother if you know the police chief is on your side along with the DNC and the doctors at the hospital.
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
To answer questions one and two, maybe they didn't want it to look like an assassination. For question 3, maybe the assassins didn't take Seth's personal belongings in the off chance they were detained by police. Having the property of a man who was found dead in the streets is a dead giveaway that you did it. Duh. I don't think a double tap is the only way to send a message. A couple bullets to the back still sends a strong message. And in general, a couple bullets to the back will normally kill someone pretty quickly. The fact that he survived for awhile is probably just a fluke.
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
You're right, there's no way this was done by a professional. A professional would have used a sniper rifle from a mile away, and put a bullet right between his eyes. That's the only way professionals work.
n/a therealpignewton 2017-05-24
Then it would be an obvious hit job because I promise if someone was shot with a "sniper" rifle in D.C. It would put up a lot of red flags vs botched robbery.
n/a EnoughNoLibsSpam 2017-05-24
how do you know how professionals work?
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
From the movies of course! My bad, forgot the /s.
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
What if it was the Russians that killed him, to throw everyone off their trail? We need to find the people responsible so we can rule that out. Democrats should want this to be solved ASAP. If it was the Russians, then maybe Trump was involved!
n/a mesqueunclubsandwich 2017-05-24
Tbh this is also a possibility, but not something this board likes to think about
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
Even if this was just a totally random, "botched robbery," it doesn't change the fact that it was Seth Rich who leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks, and not the Russians. But the fact that the guy who leaked the emails got executed in the streets shortly after is just way to big of a coincidence for me. Anything's possible, but I think the most logical explanation is that he was assassinated. Corrupt politicians like Hillary Clinton absolutely do not give a fuck about taking out their enemies. It's just business.
n/a Free_Balling 2017-05-24
The FACT that he leaked the emails? Where is the conclusive evidence?
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
You first. Show me the conclusive evidence that it was the Russians.
n/a effexxor 2017-05-24
This doesn't really help to further the conversation. We're in a conspiracy sub, the proof for a lot of this stuff is going to be hard to find and circumstantial. No one here can prove that it was the Russians and no one can prove that Seth Rich did the leaking. Demanding proof isn't going to get us anywhere.
n/a PopeInnocentIX 2017-05-24
Even if it wasn't the Russians, it doesn't mean it's Rich.
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
Why would Wikileaks want everyone to think Seth Rich was their source if he wasn't? What kind of game would they be playing?
n/a Minos6 2017-05-24
Options
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-05-24
If Wikileaks was a complicit partner with Russia in leakingthe emails, then it makes total sensep
n/a Lawb0t 2017-05-24
So you’re making the incompetence defense here. Let’s apply the same standard to the criminal investigation of Seth Rich’s murder … or to you own line of reasoning. There are plenty of unanswered questions surrounding Rich’s death. But the notion that answers should not be sought because the killer(s) were incompetent is like dismissing the lies of a veteran politician because normally he’s so much better at it.
n/a RustyRundle 2017-05-24
He was probably running from them and its not all that easy to get a head shot on a moving target. Apparently he said "I've got heat" over the phone just before it happened, so he was aware that he was being stalked.
Because they didn't want it to look like an assassination.
Because they panicked, or because they were afraid of getting caught while stealing his stuff since they had just fired two shots, or a host of other reasons. Perhaps they just weren't that concerned with making it look like a robbery, but didn't want it to look like an assassination. There are tons of potential answers to this.
I disagree with your conclusions. The hitman or hitmen may have been a bit sloppy, but that is well within the realm of possibility.
n/a mesqueunclubsandwich 2017-05-24
Hillary's people would NEVER kill someone; she's just an old lady who wants good for the world. And even if she did want to kill someone they would NEVER make a mistake/do a sloppy job. Stop looking into this right now goy!! Nothing to see here
/s
n/a i_LOSNAR_i 2017-05-24
Nice post history, OP. I see you like to suck down the CNN. Probably believe that shit, too. It makes way more sense that it was an assassination. A robber would have taken, well, fucking anything.
n/a SooperModelsDotCom 2017-05-24
Instead, we have The.Worst.Assassination.Attempt.Evar
And for that, I thank you!
n/a i_LOSNAR_i 2017-05-24
Worst assassination attempt. The guy died, it was successful. Shill on, you diamond.
n/a SooperModelsDotCom 2017-05-24
Will do!
And for that, I thank you!
n/a CaptainApollyon 2017-05-24
and knees
he got thrown from a car.
n/a boomer95 2017-05-24
Good point, why aren't liberals making Seth Rich the poster boy for gun control? If that criminal hadn't gotten his hands on a gun so easily, Seth Rich would still be alive. This is the NRA's fault!
n/a Free_Balling 2017-05-24
The FACT that he leaked the emails? Where is the conclusive evidence?
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-05-24
If you think it's fishy that Bauman is connected to David Brock, what is your opinion on Ed Butowsky, the friend of Steve Brannon who financed the "investigation" that yielded the fake story about the laptop and emails to dinosaur? Or the fact that Bukowsky visited the White House a few weeks ago? That seems way more concrete a connection.