A bomb definitely went off, and people definitely died. A close friend of mine knew someone who died.

I don't believe you.

That's fine, but I'm telling the truth. The guy who died was on an episode of Come Dine With Me.

No, by "know" I mean that a friend of mine knows him personally and was supposed to go travelling with him in the summer.

You think it's odd that in all of the developed world (far less than the 7 billion in the world as a whole), on a site predominantly American and British, someone knows a person connected to a victim of an attack that killed 22?

Come back when you pass basic high school statistics.

Look up the Six Degrees of Separation. Apply it to a smaller scale such as this and you'll find what they're saying is completely plausible.

So

You're an expert on statistics An expert on assessing injuries An expert on assessing human behaviour An expert on identifying actors

Anything else you want to add to your repertoire?

Go on then

It is not that simple at all for a few reasons

Firstly the flaws in your statistics which include not limiting the data to the UK and this '600 people' thing considering Hett was very well known.

Secondly here we were are talking about friend of a friend. The person you were talking to is the friend of the friend so you need to look at degrees of separation. You also need to take into consideration the user base of this website, and also the fact that the person you're talking to is more likely to click on this thread because they're a friend of a friend.

The odds of someone on this thread being a friend of a friend of a victim can't be limited to the simple math you've displayed.

Well I'm Irish, my friend lives in Liverpool which is quite close to Manchester.

Explain why they wouldn't just do it for real? If the people behind it are so nefarious etc. Alsopeople did die, look at the reaction of communities where some people there died

It would be easier to have a real bomb though.

What about the Scottish island where someone died? Unless you're claiming sturgeon was also complicit by sending specialists to help children on the island get through the grief? Surely a smaller event just with mancurians would have been far simpler

You're a crank mate. And this is an insult to everyone who died, everyone who is struggling to survive, and everyone who witnessed shit they should never have to witness.

Oh it must be exhausting living in that little brain of yours.

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Oh you absolute fucking moron.

Some of us live there. Some of us work in the hospitals there.

The lack of urgency at the site? It was cornered off and we couldn't even get to people who were dying painful deaths because our emergency services weren't allowed straight away.

And pictures? Don't you think if this was fake that they'd provide as much 'evidence' as possible so there would be lots of photos?

People didn't take photos because they were fucking dying, injured, helping friends, in shock...

I treated the patients you absolute arsewipe.

They blocked it off because it's bloody procedure to do so. We had PLENTY of walking wounded brought to the hospital with the people stuck inside coming later. We diverted to neighbouring hospitals who got not as emergent walking wounded.

And how would showing actual injuries be too hard to fake yet a huge conspiracy involving destroying a train line, hiring hundreds of actors, destroying a centre piece of Manchester is easy peasy?

Use your brain.

I can't as you know well I can't - I could lose my job and I respect my patients more than that.

You're the one making outlandish claims, you're the one who has zero proof that this is a conspiracy that involved people destroying millions of private and public property, hiring hundreds if not thousands of actors, controlling the media and emergency services, controlling the army...

It's easy to sit on your arse at home pondering with your foil hat on isn't it.

Convenient? No it's the law 😂😂

You haven't demonstrated shit. You've made ridiculous claims, that's it. No evidence to support this crap you've concocted.

Emergency services were not dismissed. They were ready and waiting on scene for the injured.

Millions of damage - have you seen the arena it happened in? No of course you haven't, because you're thousands of miles away but seem to think you know better than us who live here. Have you also seen the railway that was damaged to? Nope.

I don't believe everything I see on TV. I believe my eyes and ears. I believe the people I know personally.

I didn't mean seen it post damage, I meant if you knew what it looked like you'd understand that damage to it would be costly and the revenue they've lost from having to cancel acts. The railway will probably be the most expensive and it's taking a while to fix.

Actually millions is probably an exaguration, it's probably more like hundreds of thousands.

You can highly doubt what you want mate, I'm pretty sure the National Rail don't give a flying fuck about providing folk like you with proof.

Derpetite -- You are dealing with a sociopathic troll here.....and he's pulling you into his delusional tinfoil-hat world with glee...you really should stop feeding the troll. He is clearly unbalanced to come up with what amounts to extremely disrespectful and absurdly stupid claims.

Ah dude you're right you're completely right. I've been blinded by anger because it's just beggars belief. Off to delete comments, this is a pointless exercise and as you said i need to stop feeding the troll.

I have fallen into that trap too many times myself from getting so angry I could explode... so I certainly understand. It's particularly aggravating when some asshole with a twisted agenda (and serious need for attention) defames people who lost their lives...but you are right and I would delete the posts...If you respond to this I will also delete this as it is not worth getting into a useless conversation with an unhinged jerk.

When you hear hooves think horses not zebras

If you look at separate images you'll see that the logo on the cap would have very likely been identifiable in the first image so was edited out - you can see a slight patch where it's supposed to be that doesn't look right. On the second image the logo cannot be seen properly so left.

That makes more sense than your ridiculous theory.

An identifiable logo edited out - since the first image (if you look at the larger ones) has a strange patch where the logo should be. That's one thing that makes more sense than your assertions

But do carry on. I'm not engaging with you anymore.

You're not being disrespectful now but the whole assertion is. You've already called me a liar because you seem to think I didn't help take care of those poor people. It's traumatic for all involved and I just won't discuss it anymore.

Thanks for your time.

You don't get shrapnel from being trampled, that's all I'm going to say.

All things considered there is no reason to respond. You attack anyone who questions your absurd theories, you have been insulting and highly defensive with anyone who thinks, like most everyone here does, that your accusations are, to be polite, absurd.

End of discussion...but you will probably go on another snarky rant.

Deep breaths there, kiddo.

That tinfoil hat is getting to you.

Have some respect

Yeah, tell that to the loved ones of the people killed in Manchester.

Shame on you

Christ you're naive.

If you really wanted to test your theory you could actually go to Manchester and go to the chip shop owned by the parents of one of the girls who died.

Go back to infowars you disrespectful son of a bitch

But I dont know you personally, do I?

You could be a crisis actor.

You haven't even given me evidence concluding you have an asshole.

Nope. But it's in Leyland if you want to go visit, you'll know which one. Its the one with hundreds of flowers in front of it.

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You're free to disagree, but this is just pure ad hominem.

To be fair the reason why they probably held back the paramedics was to sweep and make sure there wasn't a second explosive device or what not

Bit of advice, take it or leave it: If you want people to wake up, you can't be an ass. Some of us lived many decades with this indoctrination and it's difficult to come out of that slumber. If someone is a total asshat about "the truth," people will just go back into their shells rather than being berated for simply being human.

Dude, we're ALL douped on something. Just because he's brainwashed on something different than you doesn't give you a license to be an asshole.

No, no it doesn't and the sooner you learn that, the more rewarding life will be.

And in taking my own advice, I apologize for calling you several versions of an ass. It was childish, unproductive, and very inappropriate. My sincerest apologies.

Actually, I'd be a condescending bitch. ;)

Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist. Who are you to think you'd be automatically privy to all the crime scene photos? The only reason you have seen the ones of inside with the backpack etc is because the US managed to bloody leak them.

As for photos taken by bystanders, itwas inside a building. People inside weren't in any fit state to be taking photos.

Maybe it's just easy for me from watching so many videos of people actually being blown up, shot, stabbed, or in actual life threatening situations that instinctually I can tell if something doesn't "look right"

LOL! God save us from armchair forensics.

Its astonishing isn't it. I see wounds including catastrophic ones day in day out as a surgical RN and even I wouldn't say something like this.

Dude's watched videos though, so maybe you're outclassed here.

I knew i was going wrong somewhere

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so it's up to you to prove that it's a false flag.

It's very clear you're young and do not have experience. It's up to you to prove otherwise. This has been fun, thanks for the laugh.

Actually that was your words from yesterday shifted to be about this topic. It's funny that you aren't self-aware enough to catch that.

I have zero intention of having a conversation with you. You aren't here to talk to people or actually share your thoughts on anything. You're a angry little maladjusted person.

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Actually that was your words from yesterday shifted to be about this topic. It's funny that you aren't self-aware enough to catch that.

Holy shit 😂

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Chill out bro

What is 22 lives to them?

I feel the same. It's frustrating to watch as people are so easily manipulated into fear and negative emotions.

I was brought up not far from tarleton where two of the dead are from. My step daughter knew one of the dead(An 18 year old) from a young age. Coincidentally, my cousin also knew her. Unless she's been a planted crisis actor since she was six, you're wrong. Unless you truly believe that twelve years ago, someone planted a young girl in a village and kept her there living a "normal" life until she was old enough to be blown up.

Also, there's a nearby town where the eight year olds parents own a takeaway, there's literally thousands of flowers outside it. So many people knew the parents and the child. Were the whole family plants for a decade in your eyes??

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes bombs blow up and people die. For the sake of the poor families who've lost their loved ones, shut up.

Yes people knew the young girl. She's not some fictional person. She existed. Her primary school put out a statement as well, or do you believe a school with a couple of hundred kids could make someone up to and no one would notice??

And you're right, I can't name the young girl. I was brought up round there but now live 75 miles away. But I can name gina. She was a member of the youth council, so there's loads of people right there that knew her. She went to the same college two of my cousins are currently at, one of them knew her personally and she's been out on nights out with my step daughter. Gina was a real person. You can believe this is all made up if you really want but there's real families mourning right now, at least have the decency to put some time between your inane ramblings and their losses.

Yes but interestingly, you have no proof anyone didn't die.

As for people not having existed, dude, look up birth records. Although I'm guessing you'll believe that documents from decades ago have been forged or the people died and have no registered death so people could assume their identities... why let cold hard facts get in the way of your need to believe this didn't happen??

Maybe you're right, maybe they've all gone off to live on an island with Elvis...

Yeah, you are our supreme intelligence and beat everyone else hands down. Oi wish Oi was as intelligent as you and could see through such things.

Fuck me, you can't even tell when someone's taking the piss out of you. Going far.

Of course dude, kiddo, I haven't been called that for many years, thanks man. I feel young again, like your logic.

Wow dud, you're so much too clever for me, I better just be quiet, your wit cuts me to the core. If you hadn't guessed, yes you are boring me now.

You think it's odd that in all of the developed world (far less than the 7 billion in the world as a whole), on a site predominantly American and British, someone knows a person connected to a victim of an attack that killed 22?

Come back when you pass basic high school statistics.

Christ you're naive.

If you really wanted to test your theory you could actually go to Manchester and go to the chip shop owned by the parents of one of the girls who died.

You can highly doubt what you want mate, I'm pretty sure the National Rail don't give a flying fuck about providing folk like you with proof.