I'll wait here for: "because science"

That's a funny way of writing the bible

Do you believe in it? If not, why give it any attention or energy?

I wish more folks felt like this. We should feel free to discuss any conspiracy here.

If people are telling you on conspiracy not to look at or research something or calling you names if you do, you know you are getting close to truth.

Exactly. That's why it bothers me when they try to dissuade me from the Trump Russia conspiracy

I don't know that there is any proof to this theory though, it was just something made up after Hillary lost and pizzagate came up.

You think no one talk about Trump and Russia possible collusion and ties until after November?

I never heard it before then.

Look up why Paul Manafort was fired.

Okay, a campaign person did business with Ukraine. This is really weak evidence. Look, I don't like Trump, I didn't vote Trump, but I still haven't seen definitive evidence of anything bad regarding Trump and Russia.

That's not the discussion we are having. We are talking about whether Trumps collusion/ties to Russia was discussed heavily before November

I did not hear anything before November- as stated.

There is a difference between you not hearing about it and it not being discussed before hand.

Exactly how I feel about it bro... The same thing as the deep web except they use informants for either FBI, CIA, or other organizations infiltrate forums for information. On here even other popular sites people do something similar but not to catch someone, Maybe lol. More though to say negative comments about something actually worth talking about and can be proved if enough people opened their eyes..

I think it would be better to change believe to "care about it". Conversations aren't going to be very productive if they are only had between people who already agree with each other on everything.

Conspiracy people are all about beliefs. You can believe something, or believe it likely, or believe it possible, or believe it impossible.

Depending on if the OP believes it or if they just want to debate - that shows me how much skin the OP has in the game.

Not ONE flat earther can explain the star paths in the sky as seen in night time time-lapse photography when you compare what one sees when in northern hemisphere vs Southern Hemisphere vs equator. So until then, I keep my energy in these threads to a minimum.

The worst part about flat earth threads is that every time you post a rebuttal with scientific backing none of the flat-earthers reply! They don't know enough about the actual science and constantly cite the same sources. (Such as the great lake Chicago skyline.) It really bugs me to see so many people falling for this and then outright ignoring the evidence that proves our planet is a spheroid.

They aren't like us, looking for truth even when it isn't comfortable or a proof to what you believe. They want others in their group. It is why I devote so little energy to those threads. I pose my time lapse Star question and wait.

We aren't looking for truth when it's not comfortable? Fuck off with your baseless judgements.

It isn't baseless if I am right. Read the convo train dummy.

What are you on about? Go back to your tv and drink your floridated water.

If you can answer the time lapse Star question, you will be king of all flat earthers. Until then, you should feel bad for believing in bad logic or science.

what's the question?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6eobwg/wheres_the_evidence_that_flat_earth_is_a_psyop/dibwuwf/

Was answered in that thread

No it wasn't.

A response was made.

It's a massive, rotating, celestial sphere above the dome. The star trails make perfect sense. It's too big to see the entire thing from one "hemisphere".

Yeah, my case point is shot down if you consider there being 2 flat earths, one for each hemisphere, but our equator bound friends see some of both skylines. :/

I try to look at both sides to debate fairly.

Every flat earth thread, the only replies you'll get are "hur you're so dumb" "hurr you are a retart" "u actually think earf is flat LOL" "look at this moron over here" "what do u meen u dont beleev in NASA" "check out this guy eh"

Then when you ask them a serious question about how the globe works they go "ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ASKING ME THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW????"

Not true in my experiences. I try to ask legitimate questions that I feel counter the flat Earth, and I often don't get answered at all.

Ah well good on you for actually trying to start a discussion

One of my biggest questions is why there hasn't been any accurate flat Earth representations of the Earth yet. I'd be much more willing to take a look at this theory more in depth of there was a map other than the equidistant azimuthal maps that distort the shape of the countries the closer to Antarctica you get

Recent "answer" I got from /u/vechthaan:

I don't know. Why does it matter? It's no secret that us globe deniers don't have an accurate map of the world, mainly because we don't have the resources to map one. You'dd need high altitude planes, perhaps even sattelites if they are even possible (I don't know if there is a physical glass dome, or if it's more of a physics defying membrane), you'dd need expensive camera equipment for each plane, ... While alot of flat earthers are steadily convinced the earth is flat, I'm more interested in a mainstream (open) debate about this, but it takes critical mass for the media to do this. (because it's round, no questions asked) And we're getting there. This article is step in the right direction.

I don't need an infallible map, all I would need is a working hypothesis of a map. Distances between continents and landmasses were largely known before the space program. People have been sailing around the cape of south Africa for hundreds of hears at least. With the information that is available (surface area of countries mainly) there should at least be a hypothetical map that could work. The equidistant azimuthal map (UN Logo) just doesn't do that. I always use South Africa as an example for this because it's the most obvious. I often see this used as an example of a Flat Earth map, and I always point out the relative size of South Africa in comparison to Europe. South Africa is much smaller than it is portrayed in that map, which can be seen with this website by dragging the overlay of South Africa over Europe.

I understand the sympathy of needing advanced tools to create and prove that a map works, but we had at least workable globe models before we had high altitude planes and satellites.

I understand that the counter-argument to this is probably "we don't know that those distances are accurate", but in all honesty, I have a very hard time believing that the entire seafaring shipping industry is in on this conspiracy, and clearly they are aware of the distances between landmasses and lengths of coastline on landmasses. I trust that this information is more than likely accurate based off of that.

Dude literally.

It's obviously pushed by someone so we have to have these shitty threads/discussions instead of investigating actual conspiracies....

What a sad excuse.

They often also counter with something along the lines of globe earth is a psyop ironically.

You just need to counter, and let it sink in. They aren't going to reply with that you are right but they will ignore it. They are of the mindset that they have intelligence to see what we can't.

Just defuse the moment and move on, don't let it take your energy past that. Dumb people are going to dumb no matter what you do. Not to mention bots are going to bot.

Redditors, if you are reading this and seek truth, research flat earth. Think for yourself and question everything you see or hear from the media and government.

Yes, question everything. But when you confirm 2+2 is 4, accept it as foundational truth and move on. There is no reason to spend more time on flat earth if they are unable to explain star motions properly.

That's because many people have tried to reason with flatheads repeatedly, over the last couple years. Flatheads will pull "whataboutisms" every single time you prove the earth is round. They won't listen to reason at all, and even when they're 100% shown to be wrong on an issue, they'll bring up that same exact issue again the next day. And again. And again. And again. When reasoning has run its course, all that's left are insults, unfortunately.

Now, I know there are alot of stupid people out there, but the persistence in pushing this 100% falsifiable agenda so frequently leads me to wonder how many of them are just plain liars, hoaxers, shills, etc...

A simple understanding of trigonometry and the use of your own two eyeballs can disprove the flat earth, but yet... here you still are, pushing the same nonsense...

No, we're not buying the ball earth lies anymore. Give it up, you already lost.

You just ignore responses when it's inconvenient

Such as?

Here's two

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6egjov/its_a_20000_foot_sheer_wall_of_ice_but_thats/dia5q49/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6b5tza/can_anyone_debunk_this_image_mods_dont_delete_its/dhk0bb6/

Ask me a serious question about the world works, or a dozen I don't care. Shoot.

I don't have any questions

There's nothing about the round earth that you think is stupid and want the answer to if there is any? Are you a flat earther at all?

I don't believe I've ever claimed to be a Flat Earther? Mainly a NASA skeptic. I'm open to all theories. I entertain both.

Then when you ask them a serious question about how the globe works they go "ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ASKING ME THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW????"

What questions have you asked that you aren't satisfied with the answer to? I'll give you a better explanation.

I'll probably sound stupid for asking these. How can you see clouds in front of and behind the sun at the same time. If you're at the top of the Earth and begin flying straight on an airplane, why don't you fly straight into space. How do butterflies fly, while gravity holds the entire ocean down. How do planes land on a runway. I think I get the basic understanding of why these things occur, but I still find them to be strange. Thank you

No matter how stupid they are, it's always better to ask questions and I respect you for that.

You can't see clouds behind the sun at all. I might know where you got that idea though, and the answer is no. Imagine a room filled with fog where you can't see anything, and then a spotlight shines directly in your face through the fog. You'll suddenly be able to see the light almost as if it were in front of the fog even though it's actually at the back of the room. The sun is simply bright, you will sometimes be able to see it through the clouds despite not being able to see anything else, giving the impression that the clouds must be behind the sun when they aren't.

Because of gravity. Same reason if you attach sling around a model plane on the end of a string, the rope is always pulling the plane down. Because it's pulling both the nose and tail of the plane down at the same time, the plan will always have its belly facing towards the earth, so even without course corrections you still won't fly off the planet.

Butterflies fly because they are not nearly as dense as the water in the ocean, and the less dense something is the more it will float. That's why helium balloons go up, because helium is less dense than the average air composition. A butterfly, of course, isn't less dense than air, but it's much closer than the ocean. As such, all it needs is a little extra boost up which it gets from pushing down on the air with its wings and it can fly. That's how everything flies, by compensating the difference in density between itself and the air with an additional boost upwards. Also, gravity effects each individual atom, not each individual object as we define them. So the ocean weighs so much more than a butterfly because it has more atoms, despite them both being considered a 'single' object that you might think would attract the same amount of gravity. Gravity is dependent on mass. The more mass gravity can 'latch on to', the harder it can pull.

Uh, what do you mean? They go down, hit the ground, and roll to a stop. They are less dense than air, so they will fall without that additional thrust up I mentioned before. Simply cut the engines and it goes down.

No problem. Some of these things are a bit tricky to wrap our minds around because we take them for granted, but that shouldn't be used as a reason for thinking that they must be false, simply because they're harder to understand than you thought.

My advice is to always think of a sort of comparison between a natural phenomenon and something a little more familiar to better understand these things. Like the ropes attached to the plane. If you have a rope attached to every part of the plane and not just the middle, then when you spin that plane around it will conform to the rotation and always have its belly facing the center. Same thing for gravity, it's not just pulling the center of the plane down, it's also pulling the nose of the plane down and the tail and the wings, forcing it to stay oriented with the surface.

You can't see clouds behind the sun at all.

Uhh, go Google pictures

Butterflies fly because they are not nearly as dense as the water in the ocean, and the less dense something is the more it will float.

So, isn't that just density, not gravity?

Uh, what do you mean? They go down, hit the ground, and roll to a stop.

My question is if the Earth is spinning at God knows how fast, how does it land without exploding

This wasn't very helpful

Yeah, I just did and have before to learn how to paint it. That's just the sun being bright enough to shine through the clouds though, clouds are not thick at all, a bright light behind them just exposes this.

If you still don't believe me on that account, think of it this way. If the sun is really at cloud level, then it travels hundreds of times slower than a plane. A plane at higher than cloud level can cross the sky in a matter of minutes, and still not reach its destination for hours. If the sun takes about 12 hours to cross the sky, and a plane at an even higher altitude 5 minutes, then the sun is going over 3,600 times slower than the plane, meaning it if it takes a plane 12 hours to go from America to Chine, it would take the sun 43,200 hours to go from America to China, and that's just around half the earth. It still has another 43,200 hours to go before it would reach you again. That would make each day 86,400 hours long, but they're only 24. Are you seeing the problem with this?

Gravity is related to density. You float on water right? That's because water is denser than you, meaning gravity pulls harder on it per square inch than it does on you. This essentially gives water priority over you, so that gravity will pull it down first and you after, causing you to float on top. Same concept goes for air, you're denser than air, so you have priority. That's not the best way to think of it if you want to study in the field, but hopefully it at least makes sense.

Because that plane is going at the exact same speed as the earth. Everything is, in fact. If the earth suddenly slowed down, it would crash into the ground. But since both speeds are perfectly synced, it appears as if neither are moving. Again with the comparing abstract ideas to more familiar ones, think of a paper airplane in a moving car. You throw the plane and it doesn't suddenly crash into the car at an abnormal speed because the car is moving quickly, instead it's just as if you were to throw it in a house, because so long as it's in sync with the speed of whatever object it's going to land on, you can't tell a difference.

That's just the sun being bright enough to shine through the clouds dude, clouds are not thick at all, a bright light behind them just exposes this.

Have you never seen clouds in front of the sun? You're actually an idiot lol. You are not qualified to answer any of my questions. Thanks for trying though.

Read the second paragraph.

You're actually an idiot lol.

The main evidence is how much coverage it receives because when tptb want something buried it is buried and when they want something promoted in certain venues it is supported.

It is this simple: Flat earth theory is so stupid that only reyarded/brainwashed/paid off people would believe in it. And when I see these serious shows with "real" "scientists" one can only conclude that they are part of a psy op. People who actually believe in fe would ot have the brain capacity to become a scientists.

And if it is one thing (the most important of all actually) that I have learned from this sub is that the occult is a huge part of our lives, but especially the conspirators that run this show. Flat earthers cannot point to any occult literature that even remotely touches that subject. In fact it is the exact opposite.

If someone from that "community" can point to any occult writings that touches this at all I'd be open to it. Until then - yeah, psy op and/or low intelligence

Flat earthers cannot point to any occult literature that even remotely touches that subject.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
The single biggest reason and the only one that really ties it all together when you look at the question objectively; What is to gain by hiding the shape of the earth and the dome?

It is because it would be much harder to deny God's existence. The ptb threw in with the fallen because they sought earthly pleasures and rewards in the here and now.

Oh the 'because god' approach. This was the last time I Will comment in a fe thread. But FYI you are all doing a terrible job. No one is buying into this crap. Get a life/another job

No one is buying your globetard crap. Get a life.

What advantage to they have to gain from denying the existence of God? If anything they'd stand to gain more money by scamming religious people out of their money by saying it's God's will or something. I don't get it.

I can't believe I ever fell for the ball earth lie.

Where's the evidence that the earth is flat?

Look into it and just try and prove that it is round. That's how most people fail and then realize it is indeed flat. If you do find a good proof it is round, please post it far and wide.

There are plenty of things you (and I) observe all the time that let us know the Earth is not flat.

1) You can watch the sunset twice if you watch it first by lying down and then immediately jump up after it dips below the horizon.

2) Timezones

3) Ships disappear bottom first over the horizon.

By no means is this a comprehensive list, but here are easily verifiable phenomenon that we all have direct access to.

Nice copy and paste

From myself... what's the issue exactly?

You're unable to wrap your head around the fact that ships do not disappear bottom first. They just don't. You can watch a ship disappear over the horizon and then "pull them back" fully into view. Not just the tops.

Yes they do. You've no doubt seen the evidence I've posted of this multiple Times now? When you see videos of people zooming in to "pull them back" they aren't magically making a ship reappear in front of the horizon, that ship never went over the horizon.

When things get very far away they can become invisible to the naked eye before they actually cross over the horizon. That is what is happening in those videos.

1) Doesn't prove the Earth is round. It proves u can see further when you're higher up, which is also true on a flat earth.

2) Lol.

3) And then they magically reappear when u grab binoculars, and then a camera, and then high zoom, and then potentially a telescope, and then you'll find it fades out due to atmospheric disturbance at a REALLY far distance.

Come, this is like entry flat earth stuff. I doubt you've spend more than 2 hours into this stuff, and you're so heavily defending the ball earth lol.

1) You can use those observations to calculate the circumference of the Earth. How would you explain this on a Flat Earth model?

Here's a walk through of how to calculate it: http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dns/teachersguide/MeasECAct.html

2) I guess you didn't want to provide a counter argument?

3) No they don't magically reappear. Just because something isn't visible to you doesn't mean that it's fallen below the horizon. Cameras allow us to perceive many things we can't with the naked eye, that does nothing to establish a lack of curvature.

Here you can see the ship disappearing bottom first: Image: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8Akip2Ev_N8/maxresdefault.jpg Video: https://youtu.be/8Akip2Ev_N8

Unfortunately I have spent more than 2 hours looking at all of this, and If by "heavily defending" you mean providing explanations as to why a globe model is accurate, sure whatever.

1) When you stand up, you can see further away, so it's possible to see a sunset (and rise) twice. This is true for both flat and round earth. (Because light doesn't carry infinitely far due to atmosphere) The math doesn't prove or disprove anything.

2) Time zones exist on a flat earth. The Sun doesn't light up the entire plane at once, or there would never be night. At this point, I know you're trolling.

3) Gl buddy.

Jabaited.

1) So it's just a coincidence that using basic observations we can accurately determine the same circumference found with other calculations?

2) So if your working theory is the "spotlight" sun? Why then does the sun appear to slide behind the horizon? Shouldn't it just get smaller and smaller in the sky as it grows distant and then become Too far to view?

3) I guess you didn't want to address the evidence provided?

Here's an example I use every now and then: Grab a water glass and look at it. Do you see the bubbles of air floating to the top? Note their shape. They form into little spheroids because that is the most stable form for the air to compress down into under the greater pressure of the water around it. These same physics are why planets form into spheroid shapes due to immense pressures of gravity, because all of the pull is evenly distributed across the shape of the planet when it is a spheroid. There is an equal pull of gravity from the center at every point on the planet. Why don't we fall off of the bottom of the planet? The gravity is pulling us towards the center of planet just like everything else.

textbookphysics

Except now they've taken to not believing in gravity, things "simply go down" apparently...

. Doesn't prove the Earth is round. It proves u can see further when you're higher up, which is also true on a flat earth.

Uh. No.

You would always see the sun if the earth were flat. You'd never see it disappearing below the horizon.

Literally nothing about sunsets are consistent with a flat earth.

.2) Lol

Typical flathead inability to respond.

.3) And then they magically reappear when u grab binoculars, and then a camera, and then high zoom, and then potentially a telescope, and then you'll find it fades out due to atmospheric disturbance at a REALLY far distance.

And yet no flattie has ever been able to reproduce this, despite how simple it apparently is.

You've done zero research on the subject, it's pretty apparant.

Good luck.

Fantastic response. Typical flat head fail.

Apparent*....

perspective

I'm sorry? What does that even mean? You responded to multiple paragraphs with one word.

It's meaningless and no flat troll can actually explain it

I will say this really slow so you can understand better. 1 and 3 are due to perspective. Use binoculars and the sun and ships return to normal view. Anyone can prove this. Timezones, are you serious? You have to be joking. You can put timezones on a variety of map designs. Timezones prove squat.

If you are really interested, study more here: http://stoplookthink.com/

I would love to read a flat earther explain mountains. Yes. The earth is visibly not flat. Explain mountains.

http://stoplookthink.com/ if you really want to learn.

I have stopped. Looked. And though. Apparently, others just repeat the flat earth BS. If I want to buy t-shirts I go to the mall. If it exists when I go back. It might also just be a holographic projection from the CIA.

How do you explain the tides of the ocean? You can travel around the world and measure the tides in as many areas as you want quite easily.

Even though these tides you can witness with your own eyes can be mapped to the movements of the Earth relative to sun and moon's respective gravitational pulls... It's just coincidence?

So you believe...

"The Earth is a vast plane ‘stretched out upon the waters,’ and it will be seen that it must of necessity slightly fluctuate, or slowly rise and fall in the water."

"Thus we have been carried forward by the sheer force of evidence to the conclusion that the tides of the sea do not arise from the attraction of the moon, but simply from the rising and falling of the floating earth in the waters of the ‘great deep.’"

-Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!”, 1849

And:

"Tides are caused by the gentle and gradual rise and fall of the earth on the bosom of the mighty deep."

T. L. Cullingworth, "Zetetic Cosmogony", 1899

And:

"By what means the tides are so regularly affected is at present only conjectured; possibly it may be by atmospheric pressure on the waters of the Great Deep, and perhaps even the Moon itself, as suggested by the late Dr. Rowbotham, may influence the atmosphere, increasing or diminishing its barometric pressure, and indirectly the rise and fall of the Earth in the waters.”

David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma”, 1901

Tides in oceans but not lakes. Why?

They don't? Are you sure about that?

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/gltides.html

https://www.howitworksdaily.com/why-dont-lakes-have-tides-like-the-sea/

http://www.tides.gc.ca/eng/info/faq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide#Lake_tides

https://www.britannica.com/science/tide

Websites state supposed tide is so small it is difficult to be accurately measured. I doubt they exist at all. Is it really the moon causing ocean tides or something else?

Okay.

All your questions will be answered: http://stoplookthink.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIJRoj2qwsc

Go in a plane, and look at the horizon. Not to see the curvature, you'd need to be about 60k feet in the air before you'd notice it visibly without measuring due to the earth's sheer size, but instead look at the horizon to see it suddenly cut off. It doesn't fade into the distance, as you would expect if it were perfectly flat for miles and miles until you reached antarctica, instead it just stops. Wanna know why? Cause it's curved, and the line from you to the horizon forms a tangent to the curvature of the earth so you can't see past that point.

Plant false information, and map how it spreads. Then from that data you have a new avenue to explore regarding how to spread lies.

How the hell is that evidence?

Welcome to r/conspiracy

The only two things I can think of that give legitamacy to the flat earth are: if space is supposed to be endless and a vacuum, we'd have no atmosphere if something wasn't protecting it. And the distance from the sun, if the earth is tilted on its axis at night parts of the equator would be twice as far away as either poles. How come it doesn't freeze?

The only two things I can think of that give legitamacy to the flat earth are: if space is supposed to be endless and a vacuum, we'd have no atmosphere if something wasn't protecting it.

Very common misconception

And the distance from the sun, if the earth is tilted on its axis at night parts of the equator would be twice as far away as either poles. How come it doesn't freeze?

Another common misconception, but the seasons/temperature on earth doesn't correlate with the distance to the sun

Not saying I don't believe but I don't really trust those sources. I will look into the matter some more. Just to be clear, I don't think the earth is flat but have always had those questions. Thank you for pointing me in the direction for plausible answers.

I had those same questions once so I don't blame you

The only two things I can think of that give legitamacy to the flat earth are: if space is supposed to be endless and a vacuum, we'd have no atmosphere if something wasn't protecting it.

But there is something protecting it!??! The Earth's strong magnetic field is the very reason we have an atmosphere while Mar's atmosphere has been nearly stripped away.

And the distance from the sun, if the earth is tilted on its axis at night parts of the equator would be twice as far away as either poles. How come it doesn't freeze?

The tilt is the very thing that gives us seasons, as the angle of the earth becomes parallel to the sunrays the same amount of light has to cover a greater area thus heating it up less than when the sun is hitting the earth head on, like near the equator.

People do lack an understanding of physics here. It doesn't mean it can't be discussed, but it also doesn't mean it demands to be.

/u/EricCarver has a point. I make decent counterarguments re: FE when someone makes a blatantly absurd statement and it is rarely contested well, if at all.

My point is that your point works both ways; if I find it futile to engage, why would I? It's not like those that are convinced of FE are engaging in all counterarguments.

There are no obligations. And not all of us are concerned with the winning and losing of arguments.

Just look at the amount of ball earthers you're attracting so vigorously defending it, every flat earth thread is similar.

U don't have to be a flat earther to realize that.

Shouldn't that tell you that ball-earth is the psyop, or that saying "flat earth is a psyop" is itself the psyop? Within minutes the anti-flat earthers come to these threads to attack, ridicule and intensely deny flat earth without giving any real reason. And like Shakespeare said, the lady doth protest too much, methinks.

That's what I alluded to, ball earth is the psy-op.

2+2!=4, amirite?

Just look at the amount of ball earthers you're attracting so vigorously defending it

I love it. They scramble to prove their intellect.

I know, right? When I was in kindergarten, everyone kept pushing the 2+2=4 narrative, and I thought "why are they so vigorously pushing that, defending it. Each day in math, similar tactics."

That is how you sound. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6eobwg/wheres_the_evidence_that_flat_earth_is_a_psyop/dibwuwf/

Here, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-K-XnHi9I

The earth is not fucking flat. Now can we please get back to hunting the occultist pedophiles running our government or exposing 9/11 or the UFO coverup or something useful?

I'll explain why that doesn't make sense:

occultist pedophiles running our government

exposing 9/11

UFO coverup

All of these have had a profound effect on awakening the masses. That's about the extent of their usefulness. We can't change what happened with 9/11 or affect the continuing UFO coverup, and you're not serious if you think you can track down high-level pedophiles. If the only true utility of these subjects is to awaken people to a greater deception, then flat earth wins.

No, because flat earth isn't true and the other ones are wtf? There are enough real conspiracies we don't need fake ones to awake the masses they only hurt us.

Naww it's flat bro.

What would be thier motivation for tricking us into thinking its round when its flat?

Many reasons. We can't see the edges of our enclosure because it's so massive, thus we don't think about an outside or consider the possibility that we're enslaved.

Demoralizes most people into thinking they are nothing but star dust so they fall in line with what everything else is doing.

Sign of a creator

So lets say that your a billionaire, and you fund a private mission to send a drone into space to take pics of the earth, you honestly believe it would be flat? Do you think all the planets are flat or just earth? We can see from telescopes that other planets are not flat. We are inslaved, just on a globe. Thats not a strong enough reason to convince me.

So lets say that your a billionaire, and you fund a private mission to send a drone into space to take pics of the earth

Space travel is highly controlled. We're still stuck with NASA and the likes of private ventures such as SpaceX which haven't done much of anything yet. They won't let a random philanthropist shoot anything too high.

Do you think all the planets are flat or just earth?

You don't actually know what a planet is. You haven't seen one up close apart from NASA's footage which involves heavy amounts of CGI. Earth is a plane of existence and there isn't an infinite and empty universe above our heads.

Its more likely that strict control over space has more to do with hiding aliens and the secret space program than the earth being flat. I just cant believe that they would be able to cover that up. I'm talking about amateur astronomers who have nothing to do with nasa and looking through thier telescopes and seeing very round planets

Its more likely that strict control over space has more to do with hiding aliens and the secret space program than the earth being flat

You're buying into the New Age alien deception?

I'm talking about amateur astronomers who have nothing to do with nasa and looking through thier telescopes and seeing very round planets

You can't determine the shape of the earth by looking at what you call planets. They told you both earth and those other objects are all planets. Likewise a cat can't prove himself a human by seeing other humans around him.

Demoralizes most people into thinking they are nothing but star dust so they fall in line with what everything else is doing.

Wait, do you buy into this crap because you're scared of the idea that you came from stardust?

I was an atheist for most of my life and studied astrophysics for some time at university. Why do you make asshole presumptions like you're better than me?

You studied astrophysics yet believe the earth may be flat?

Listen short bus. Are you going to say anything here or just act like a bumbling prick that thinks he's got the world figured out by going through the public education system we've all been through?

The earth is not flat though dude, it's not even in the realm of possibility. I say that after having thought it through multiple times, I'm not just saying it because everyone else does.

How do satellites work? We see them all the time at night, are you expecting me to believe they have infinite fuel sources? They need to be in orbit to stay up there. A popular theory among you guys is that the sun and moon move in a circle on top of a disk. If this were the case, we would always have a half moon, and the moon wouldn't change phases over the course of a month, it would change phases over the course of a single night. The sun would also look smaller on the horizon as it would be farther away. Why the massive multi-billion dollar cover up? I've not heard anyone mention a good reason. Also, if there are so many guards around Antarctica, why have none of them leaked the info? This would be the biggest secret the world has ever known, you don't think of thousands of guards, at least a few would have talked and provided proof? There are different constellations below the equator than there are above the equator. You can see the curvature of the moon as the craters become more oblong around the edges when viewed through a simple telescope. This would imply that the Earth too is round. The International Space Station has a live feed here. There is also a 24/7 live stream of earth here if you want to watch it for repeated footage or whatever. What of the other planets in the sky? With a cheap telescope anyone could purchase, you'll be able to see the curve of the shadow on other planets like Jupiter, or even the rings of Saturn. I've done so myself, it's really cool and I highly recommend it if you really want to know the truth. Why does the sun set and rise in different places over the course of a year. How is it possible you can see the moon in the day. What about solar eclipses. And lunar eclipses? Blood moon? Anything? I could go on, I haven't even broken out the old google yet, this is just stuff that comes to mind, but I want to end on 10. The horizon. If the earth were flat, then the ocean should fade into the distance due to the atmosphere, not suddenly cut off. A good way of proving this is taking a plane ride over the ocean. You'll notice that there is a clear cut line where the ocean should simply fade into the distance, meaning it disappears due to curvature, and not atmospheric fog slowly covering it up or any optical illusions that sometimes happen when you're on the shore almost parallel to the ocean and not looking down from a plane.

I'm just a little surprised you could have an astrophysics degree, and I assume study exo planets, as well as the well understood physics that apply to them all, and still think there's even a slight possibility the earth could be flat. There is just so much wrong with that.

The earth is not flat though dude, it's not even in the realm of possibility. I say that after having thought it through multiple times, I'm not just saying it because everyone else does.

OK, I'll believe you since you've thought it through. I never really sat down and thought about it. I just run my mouth online and pretend to believe in flat earth. /s

Is that what you think I'm doing? You're literally not worth my time to argue with. You can't even form a proper sentence and you're regurgitating the same old material from other globetards that haven't actually done any research. You're so stuck in the mainstream thought process that you're unknowingly working from the position of confirmation bias. When you're able to ask real questions that haven't been answered elsewhere on this sub before we can talk again. The Internet isn't hard. Overcoming your ego and brainwashing is.

Woahkay calm down big guy, I'll ask a simple question and I'd like you to answer it, instead of going off on a condescending tangent to avoid it.

Let's go withhhh how dark moons are possible if this map is the case. From what I can tell, there would never be a totally dark moon, at least not in North America which is where I'm from, and I've indeed seen dark moons.

Oh and to add on to that, blood moons. I've also seen blood moons, which if you didn't know, is when the earth is perfectly between the sun and the moon, so that the sun's light makes a circular sunset from the moon's perspective and illuminates it in a reddish glow. I don't know how that would be possible either.

You say these questions have been answered, but I don't know where, and if you already know the answer surely you could take a minute to enlighten me.

Woahkay calm down big guy, I'll ask a simple question and I'd like you to answer it, instead of going off on a condescending tangent to avoid it.

Please don't act like I'm the one being ridiculous here. You wrote a long-ass paragraph of rambling questions with absolutely nothing new that I haven't been asked before. It's also incredibly illogical for you to to do this.

Claim: 9/11 was an inside job. Counter-claim: [Insert 3,000 questions about "How did X happen? How does Y work"]

Do the counter-claims actually disprove that it was an inside job? Or are they simply unanswered questions? Just because people subscribing to FE "theory" doesn't mean there is one cohesive and complete textbook model that we're all agreeing on.

There's a big difference between these two types of questions. The questions about 9/11 that you're talking about have possible answers, they may be ridiculous answers, but they are possible. We may not know which answer is true if any at all, but we at least know of some possible answers.

My question is about a physical impossibility that doesn't even have a possible answer, let alone an answer that's true. It's not so much a question as it is a glaring flaw in the flat earth theory, or at least that particular one.

So you got an answer or you gonna keep dodging the question/glaring flaw?

You've insulted me either by implication or directly just as much, thanks. You're not the more mature person here whatsoever.

My question is about a physical impossibility that doesn't have a possible answer at all, let alone an answer that's true.

You rattled off a long list of questions that are not proof of either the globe or flat earth model. They are simply gaps in your understanding of the model (and ours, too). Again, it doesn't prove your mainstream brainwashing as the truth just because I don't feel like addressing all of your questions right here, right now. I'm not your mother and I wasn't offering to be a spokesperson for the FE community. I'm pretty sure this is my thread and I actually asked YOU the most simple question so far: Where is the evidence that Flat Earth is a CIA psyop? I don't care about your feelings and subjective opinions on the matter, thanks.

I whittled it down to a single question in the comment after that list of questions, please read it and answer. You literally dodged the question 3 times now...

Let's go withhhh how dark moons are possible if this map is the case. From what I can tell, there would never be a totally dark moon, at least not in North America which is where I'm from, and I've indeed seen dark moons.

You linked me to a 3D model which is not a map. There is no agreed upon flat earth map. This is why I was implying that you're a moron, because you're assuming there's some kind of textbook model out there that we're all referencing. Thus these questions are stupid and pointless. That model is also showing 2 flat discs pointing straight down at the earth. I've never seen such a model before so if you'd like to explain it yourself, go for it.

To answer all of your questions about the moon: Nobody is sure, but that doesn't mean the earth is a sphere.

Yes it does, actually. That's exactly what it means until proven otherwise, that's how burden of evidence works.

You don't have evidence. You've been given a narrative that mostly fits our observed reality. You just have faith that it's true, and thus you don't feel the need to question it.

Are you trolling? I don't have evidence? I literally see curved planets through the telescope, I can tear apart literally every flat earth theory out there in multiple ways yet I can't find a single flaw in the idea that the Earth is round. It fits everything, the reason we have the Aurora Borealis, the reason we have tides, the reason we have a blood moon, the reason the moon has phases over days and not nights, the reason I can see that other planets are round through a telescope, the reason we have seasons, the reason we have days and nights that change length over the course of a year, the reason the stars are different on the southern and northern hemispheres, everything.

That's all called evidence, both for a round earth and against a flat one. I don't just have faith that it's true, I observe my reality and put together the most logical conclusion.

Because I have no reason not to believe in a round earth, and multiple reasons not to believe in a flat earth that you said yourself no one knows the answer to (btw that's because there is no answer to a physical impossibility), you now have to give a reason invalidating the round earth in favor of the flat earth before you can say the round earth fact is wrong.

The curve of the earth is not visible even from 120,000 ft. I can see the full image of objects that should be over the curve and out of sight according to the globe model mathematics. What you see through your telescope are only planets because someone in grade school told you so. You don't actually have the evidence to say that we are also on a planet. Gravity isn't magic and doesn't hold liquids perfectly motionless while the object they are resting on is spinning 1000 mph. The atmosphere can't magically stay attached to a spinning ball while being right up against a perfect vacuum. Physically impossible. Planes don't have to account for earth's curve when maintaining their horizon line. Planes don't have to worry about which direction they are flying when they land or take off which would be logical on a spinning ball. Even your pseudoscientists that you worship say the earth is actually an oblate spheroid or pear shape, not a perfect sphere. So why are all our formulas for perfect spheres? Why do you believe gravity is magic? Even Neil Degrasse Tyson says we don't really understand gravity. Basically everything hinges on the theory of gravity and if scientists are saying we don't fully understand it, and they still call it a theory, then why place so much faith in it to explain literally everything else about the globe model?

The curvature of the earth is visible at 35 thousand feet, go see for yourself.

And a banana is only a banana because someone in grade school told me so, that's how names work, unless that's a conspiracy too.

I do have the evidence to say that we're actually on a planet as well, it's called the blood moon.

You're right about gravity not holding water motionless. The earth's spin pushes the water in sync with the spin, the inertia takes care of the rest. Same reason if you put yourself in a washer machine you'll stick to a single point on the wall as it spins.

Yes it can, physically possible. A lot of people have a fundamental misunderstanding of vacuums. Think of it this way, if you have empty space and plop down some air in it, that air won't be going anywhere. There's no pressure difference in space. Now if you plop down an object that pulls that air inward, the air will go towards it since it had no acting force on it prior.

Of course they don't, gravity acts like a bunch of strings attached to every individual molecule on that plane. If you took a paper airplane and attached 50 strings to it evenly dispersed, the paper airplane would always have its belly facing the center, where the strings are attached. This misunderstanding comes from the assumption that gravity is pulling the middle of the plane down, like a single string, but not the rest of the plane, giving it 3 degrees of rotation when it really only has 1, the one perpendicular to the surface of the earth.

No planes don't have to worry about that, it's an isolated system where everything is moving relative to each other. Same reason a paper airplane in a moving car acts no differently than a paper airplane in a stationary house. You should know this at the very least.

Because the earth is so close to a sphere that it might as well be one for all our scientific purposes. The error is minimal and shouldn't effect any experiments except for possibly a few very very precise ones. Like perhaps the one that measured gravitational waves just last year.

Gravity is something we know exists and can measure with 100% predictability, we just don't yet know exactly how it works. It's an observable and sound answer to all our questions, which is significantly better than a non-observable, nonsensical 'answer' to all our questions.

I'm telling you that many people doubt that Einstein - a Zionist racist that barely made it through school and stole work from other scientists while working in the patent office - was making up his own rules so the math would work out anyway. If you've never looked into Tesla and his ideas of an electric universe then I understand why you're acting oblivious to this concept: https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:teslas-dynamic-theory-of-gravity

Those are some pretty heavy allegations, mind providing evidence backing up your Einstein claims?

If you say so. Pretty sure even Einstein admitted that Tesla was more intelligent.

I looked around, and the general consensus is that there are no records of that statement from Einstein. And if it were true, it would be a joke, because Einstein knew Tesla vigorously disagreed with his theories on relativity since many scientists were skeptical when it was a new theory. It represented a radical departure from the understanding of physics at the time, and worse, relativity predicted extremely unintuitive results which made it even harder to believe. But by 1934, the theory of relativity was entirely beyond doubt among mainstream physicists. Einstein had published the Special Theory in 1905 and the General Theory a decade later. There was already a mountain of experimental evidence. Tesla was just being a crackpot here.

Think what you want. Most people don't believe Tesla was a crackpot.

No, it's a very well known fact that Tesla was a very weird/eccentric individual, I'm not saying he was a crackpot in general, just on that particular subject, as well as a few of his other far out ideas. He's known as a mad scientist for a reason.

But, let's pretend he was both a genius and perfectly sane. Even if that were the case, he also believed the earth was round, just like literally everyone throughout the past few centuries of history. If the smartest and sanest man in the world, according to you, believed the earth was round even before the government could possibly have the resources to cover such a fact up, then is that not yet more proof that the earth is round, and not the opposite?

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It's hollow man, like this argument.

You ain't got nuttin to show

I've always thought the possibility of a flat earth being possible is by how limited our senses are. We can only take so much in via our sensory organs so we truly miss a lot of the reality around us. We could be perceiving things in a sense thats not true to what it really is. As well as some other factors that include how space works and the distortions it might have on the the we view things similar to how we look at something in a tank of water.

Where is the evidence for a flat earth? Oh right, there isn't any.

Go outside and look. You don't even see curve on an airliner unless it's through a curved window.

That's your evidence? lol

Yours is equally as shit. "We all know the earth is a globe therefore it's a globe."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIJRoj2qwsc

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6eobwg/wheres_the_evidence_that_flat_earth_is_a_psyop/dibwuwf/

1. How do satellites work? We see them all the time at night, are you expecting me to believe they have infinite fuel sources? They need to be in orbit to stay up there.

2. A popular theory among you guys is that the sun and moon move in a circle on top of a disk. If this were the case, we would always have a half moon, and the moon wouldn't change phases over the course of a month, it would change phases over the course of a single night. The sun would also look smaller on the horizon as it would be farther away.

3. Why the massive multi-billion dollar cover up? I've not heard anyone mention a good reason. Also, if there are so many guards around Antarctica, why have none of them leaked the info? This would be the biggest secret the world has ever known, you don't think of thousands of guards, at least a few would have talked and provided proof?

4. There are different constellations below the equator than there are above the equator.

5. You can see the curvature of the moon as the craters become more oblong around the edges when viewed through a simple telescope. This would imply that the Earth too is round.

6. The International Space Station has a live feed here. There is also a 24/7 live stream of earth here if you want to watch it for repeated footage or whatever.

7. What of the other planets in the sky? With a cheap telescope anyone could purchase, you'll be able to see the curve of the shadow on other planets like Jupiter, or even the rings of Saturn. I've done so myself, it's really cool and I highly recommend it if you really want to know the truth.

8. Why does the sun set and rise in different places over the course of a year.

9. How is it possible you can see the moon in the day. What about solar eclipses. And lunar eclipses? Blood moon? Anything?

10. I could go on, I haven't even broken out the old google yet, this is just stuff that comes to mind, but I want to end on 10. The horizon. If the earth were flat, then the ocean should fade into the distance due to the atmosphere, not suddenly cut off. A good way of proving this is taking a plane ride over the ocean. You'll notice that there is a clear cut line where the ocean should simply fade into the distance, meaning it disappears due to curvature, and not atmospheric fog slowly covering it up or any optical illusions that sometimes happen when you're on the shore almost parallel to the ocean and not looking down from a plane.

So yeah, it really very much isn't "We all know the earth is a globe therefor it's a globe." It's "We all know the earth is a globe because of the bloody mountains and mountains of evidence, not only scientifically researched evidence, but common sense every-day evidence that any fool should be able to see for themselves.

The veil is coming down quite quickly. I cannot believe I believed in the globe earth. What else are they hiding? I want to know the truth.

An artificial intelligence construct has imprisoned human souls within the Saturn space-time cube matrix. All of the secret societies are working in tandem with world governments and major corporations to shape our society. Aliens don't exist. Demonic/Saturnic/Archonic entities do.

FE is growing like crazy, I've never seen a truth exposed this fast.

You aren't actually a flat Earther, are you?

The government is taking freedom of speech and other rights we thought we've had for years. Why so the same to each other, I'm not saying you have to support a theory just don't throw dirt on it because it sounds out there.... To me the fact " they've " got everyone to believe in a higher power, GOD is the biggest push of them all...

Oh the 'because god' approach. This was the last time I Will comment in a fe thread. But FYI you are all doing a terrible job. No one is buying into this crap. Get a life/another job

Yours is equally as shit. "We all know the earth is a globe therefore it's a globe."

You've done zero research on the subject, it's pretty apparant.

Good luck.

Exactly. That's why it bothers me when they try to dissuade me from the Trump Russia conspiracy

Exactly how I feel about it bro... The same thing as the deep web except they use informants for either FBI, CIA, or other organizations infiltrate forums for information. On here even other popular sites people do something similar but not to catch someone, Maybe lol. More though to say negative comments about something actually worth talking about and can be proved if enough people opened their eyes..

What advantage to they have to gain from denying the existence of God? If anything they'd stand to gain more money by scamming religious people out of their money by saying it's God's will or something. I don't get it.

You don't have evidence. You've been given a narrative that mostly fits our observed reality. You just have faith that it's true, and thus you don't feel the need to question it.