Why does this sub never focus on corruption within the GOP? They rigged the primaries for trump to beat Rand Paul, the REAL anti-establishment guy, AND they rigged it for Romney to beat his dad Ron in 2012! Are we gonna chase this DNC goose for 4 years while Trump shits on our civil liberties?

140  2017-06-04 by Pr1s0nTim3

E: This is being HEAVILY downvoted by design. It was on the front page, and is now slowly and incrementally diving.

What the fuck is going on in this sub?

All this inorganic and disingenious support for Donald Trump?

I always thought the mission statement for conspiracy theorists was,

"Expose the plot to create a global new world order. Government is organized crime, and political parties are a tool used to divide the people. Presidents are merely installed "assets" that claim to to the bidding of the people, whilst doing the bidding of the elite".

Why are so many of us ignoring this? To be quite honest, i'd prefer to see no or very litte debate on political parties and political preference. Just seems like a bunch of "hoopla" to me, ya know?

They rig these elections so that both primaries are fixed with a puppet who is signed onto the agenda. What makes you think Trump is any different?

Now, it seems the entire resources of this sub are dedicated to a 'hunt' regarding the DNC crimes. Hillary Clinton is without a doubt one of the most crooked and vile politicians on the planet. However, she lost the election and she should no longer be the focal point of our movement. Seth Rich deserves justice for his courageous act of leaking those documents, and I have NO DOUBT he was the leaker. So why is it still "hillary this, hillary that. Debbie this, DNC that"?

But I can't help feeling like we're getting nowhere, and being led on a political "snipe hunt" that makes us appear VERY partisan, as we ignore most of Trumps shenanigans. Even worse, some defend his presidency. For what? What has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt, that this entire system of rigged primaries, rigged elections, all of a sudden came to a halt this year? Does the system seem to have a problem with him? He seems to get along very well with the Saudi's, Israel, the CIA (who he claimed he was behind 1000%, link below) Everything seems to be chugging along like usual within the first 6 months honestly. The real "good shit" where they start usurping our constitutional rights is coming up soon...They're letting the dust settle right now.

Having the entire conspiracy community, (unfortunately) largely still led by Alex Jones and his "new found love for conservative values", ONLY pursue democratic crimes, makes us look partisan as hell. I'm starting to think this is part of a larger plan to destroy the resistance movement...I don't trust Jones anymore either.

I think the establishment wants us to trust trump and have faith in him. They are the ones creating and pushing his "anti establishment" appeal. This is beneficial to them, because now they have a HUGE block of his critics on their team now: Conspiracy Theorists.

Just because we think the Russia Story conspiracy is fake, does NOT mean this guy is still at the helm of the New World Order ship.

If we're going to pretend to be nonpartisan, which I still truly think is a HUGE defining characteristic of being a critical thinker and a conspiracy theorist, we need to at least acknowledge the corruption on the other side as well, eh?.....

Lastly......

If the sub goes down because of this? It will suck. But I'm more worried about the BIG picture. What you're seeing with this slow inching of this sub toward conservative politics and republican ideals, is happening on a much LARGER scale in the real world. They are subverting our effectiveness as a resistance to their tyranny, by sucking us as theorists, into the fucking political paradigm. Their destroying our non-partisan appeal by design. Wake up, please....Before it's too late.

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EDIT: Also, And remember when Trump called out Rand Paul specifically on stage during the debate to turn all his supporters against him? They knew Rand was the anti establishment guy, and Trump had already been picked in advance. He did it on live tv just to shit all over him and make sure he didn't get in the way of their plan...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V1LcpsNDfg

Trump to CIA " I'm with you all the way, 1000%"

Plus he still talks about the "terrorism" boogeyman as if it's a real thing lol...We all know 9/11 was faked and that "terrorism" is an invisible entity of an enemy, it's an "idea" that can't be defeated. Perfect excuse for them to strip us of our civil liberties, and Trump is helping prop up this charade.

I feel like my 6 year old son could tell this guy is lying. He's almost as obvious as George W Bush...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32PyZ94v-1A

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I think most of the real people in this sub are there right with you. But either we have been over-run by people or bots from T_D. Any post that can be constructed as negative towards Trump gets downvoted before it can reach the front page.

Shills are trying to "prop up" this little charade the social engineers developed. TPTB want to merge the conspiracy community with conservative Trump love.

If they can get conspiracy theorists to endorse trump and the right, he loses a large block of his critics just like that.

The organic trump support is dwindling. I'd say maybe 10% of pro trump shit here is organic. The rest are shills pushing this little facade.

I'd say maybe 10% of pro trump shit here is organic. The rest are shills pushing this little facade.

What is it like to bullshit all day long?

Sigh....nevermind....

I'm not the guy you responded to, just interesting how you came up to some random numbers like that

"Redditor since: 05/18/2017 (17 days)"

lul

So you honestly believe, me, the OP, just found out about reddit, the New World Order, and Trump 17 days ago ?

Whats your argument? I don't understand what you're trying to say...

Sounds like you have no argument and you're throwing my account age at me as a defense...

I think he is implying you are a shill

What? nawwwwwww.. that'd be against the rules.

When someone throws around the "New World Order," it's pretty much a dead giveaway that they're full of shit and attempting a consensus crack. The simple fact of the matter is that there are a great deal of eternal 19 year olds who need their edgy "anfi-establishment" ways endlessly validated by Daily Show and Rate Against the Machine-tier schlock.

Until the cast of SNL throws their full weight behind him, these people just know in their heart of hearts that Trump must be full of shit. Also, I'd bet the farm that OP was an Obama voter.

Wow...you are too far gone to even respond too.

Good luck.

There is heavy activity from both parties to make you fight each other instead of fighting the bankers and the freemasons.

Agreed, we're took busy fighting over partitions issue, to see the big picture and take back our democracy. Citizen United has legalized bribery, so the bankers and the freemasons can use their wealth to control our politicians so they work for them and not us.

I want to upvote posts lime these, but then i see who posts it and insta downvlte it.

Posters with blind hatred for one candidate are cancer to this sub. All they do is push a narrative

Honest question? Where have I distorted facts with my "blind hated"? If you truly read my posts, you'd know that I hate corrupt, corporate (D) just as much as corrupt (R). Trump has shown his true colors with this globalist, corrupt policies.

I said I'd be out marching for Trump if he vetoed the anti-Internet Privacy bill. I'd be supporting him, if his budget helped fix our aging infrastructure instead of giving the top 1% a Trillion dollar tax cut.

The problem I see with the government is it's controlled by bankers and corporatists. Trump actions have shown him to be part of the problem. Good luck finding someone "neutral" that follows politics closely. My only "side" is truth and anti-corruption. If I appear anti-Trump is't because he's playing against that side.

I meant posts like original thread by prisontime.

There is a battle for narrative control, and i downvote shills on new account that post exclusively anti hillary etc stuff as well.

Oh, yeah we do have a problem with new accounts astroturfing on both sides. That said the front page speaks for itself. Either Trump supporters are the silent majority, or we are being brigaded. Suspicious voting patterns like I've found multiple times, makes me think it's the later.

There is no large subs outside td that are not censored for controversial topics. This is one large place that can reach r all where people can argue their politically incorrect views

It used to be even better here. The election has totally polarized things. I'm just a guilty. I don't like being told how to think. And the Trump-Russia scandal has fascinated me from day one. Show the attempt to control it here really strikes a nerve. The Seth narrative reeks of a partisan smear. Too much "rah-rah" and faked docs too little

Dude...Im just a 25 year old guy. Im not a shill.

I literally just got done watching "Cool Runnings" and doing a few bong hits in my underwear...The shill accusations are so flattering lol..

I think you're replying to the wrong person. We're cool. I was talking in general, not about you.

It's amazing in Spanish.

Agreed. Fucking tired of all the shills trying to make this sub look republican leaning..

I can't stand trump and I'm tired of seeing people defend him.

Yeah, I miss Ron Paul. Fuck the RNC. I liked Bernie cauz he's principled like Ron(though I'm more aligned with Ron). Fuck the DNC. Politicians whose actions match their words are hard to find these days. Tulsi Gabbard looks promising. But not enough of a record yet for me to fully trust her.

Her CFR membership has most of us troubled.

Most? No it's a classic partisan smear that a few around here are parroting ceaselessly. I've looked into it and there as much actual hard evidence for that as there is the Seth Rich murder. So if you are susceptible to all anti-Democratic shit, but the actual critical thinkers see it for what it is. Dirty politics and the hope that if you repeat a lie enough, people will believe it's true.

Yeah fuck this place, it should look more like r/politics where the correct theories get pushed to the front..

Once you start playing partisan politics... you've already lost.

Exactly

Like I said, I'd prefer to have very little political discussion on here. But all this one sided stuff against the DNC? even after hillary lost?

We kind of look like that ex boyfriend who can't get over the breakup, and follows around his ex gf everywhere, praying on her misfortune..

Oh... people focus on the DNC cause there are like 100,000 Wikileaks to read about the DNC and it's players... FBI Vault has like 3000 pages of shit on HRC...

People here focus on the DNC cause it is the stuff we have actual solid data to analyze. Trust me... if a bunch of GOP or Green Party shit got leaked we'd jump all over that shit too.

You need leaks to criticize the government now? Actions speak louder then words as the saying goes.

No,but they help if you wish to have any substance for an argument.

When you don't have leaks to base your theories on you get called out for no sources. Then when you do people say you won't shut up about it and aren't addressing the other side. It's a bit of a catch 22. But oh well, you ignore the haters and carry on doing whatever bits you can. Do your part, share your truth, don't get sucked in by the hate, and spread love.

Really you need leaks? You need leaks to prove the GWB invaded Iraq was a terrible misguided move? You need leaks to criticize Obama for targeting US citizen in a Terror group? You need leaks to go after Clinton over Boznia?

I'm generalising. Learn to notice when someone's doing that.

This. The WikiLeaks we're an eye-opener.

But both sides are horrific

But all this one sided stuff against the DNC? even after hillary lost?

There are no GOP leaks. We have the DNC leaks with thousands of emails and concrete proof of the DNC's corrupt actions.

If we had GOP documents to read, that would have been an entirely different story.

But saying this is some one sided issue in my eyes is passing the buck.

At the end of the day, we have a SERIOUS economic and social collapse coming at us within the next 4-8 years

USA is economically stronger than ever before, the national debt clock is going in reverse right now.

Look in the lower left hand corner. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The GAAP is doing down and so it the US Federal Budget Deficit. That's never happened since the website launched.

We also just uncovered undeniable proof of sex trafficking and pedophilia among the elites of our society, why are we not pursuing and trying to awaken the masses as to these things that could actually bring this cabal down?

You should thank for Trump for allowing this to happen, his people are on the front lines of that fight.

We should still be shouting from the rooftops that 9/11 was a fucking inside job...If the people found out about that?

Democrats AND Republicans / foreign agents / our intelligence agents are ALL behind that.

Instead we're dicking round with political theatrics

SO?

I'm sick of that shitty cop-out. Nothing personal, but the way this is set up we need a constitutional amendment to have viable third parties. Trying to take some moral high road by declaring the whole thing fucked and refusing to participate is stupid.

I don't refuse to participate... I just make my choices based on more than just whether someone has a (D) or an (R) next to their name... and I don't just blindly align myself with one political party and stick with it like I'm rooting for a sports team. I'm sure most of the regular users here feel the same way... party lines don't mean anything.

I just get frustrated with people who act like both parties are exactly the same abd refuse to participate in anything short of a perfect system. Because they get both super smug about how they dont participate, and then they complain about how they aren't seeing the sort of results they want.

The site supposedly "...caters to the Republican mindset..." and now is a good time for discussion about our future. All we need is the mods to closely monitor here so as to prevent inappropriate interference. They can do it. Will they? Let us watch and if warranted make group reports to the reddit administration.

Who's "we"?

All commenters who are supportive of the post that started this discussion here now.

You are really discussing conspiring to control the narrative of a conspiracy theory sub in a conspiracy theory sub?? There is no consensus here. Why would you even want that?

I suppose now you will start to explain to everybody what your definition of interference is.

IMO Only: Its downvoting simply because the comments do not support a group of congressional or administrative 'leaders' in power now. However, on the issue(s) raised by this particular post I think the commenters here need to make their opinions known if the majority really care about a sub reddit being hijacked. If the majority are comfortable with the situation then so it goes.

You want to limit downvoting on particular subjects?

No. Did you read my last response to you?

Glad you mentioned it. Corruption isn't party exclusive.

I agreed until he called the DNC criticism a goose chase.

Its anything but.

They aren't in power. We see through these tactics.

They aren't in power lol ... Both parties have tons of power

Ron Paul has had a media blackout since forever. The GOP corruption is well established from Nixon to Bush Sr to Bush Jr. Every time we talk about 9/11 or the patriotic act or the war on terror or the war on drugs were talking about GOP corruption.

Ron Paul has had a media blackout since forever.

They changed millions of votes against him in the primaries.

And remember when Trump called out Rand Paul specifically on stage during the debate to turn all his supporters against him? They knew Rand was the anti establishment guy, and Trump had already been picked in advance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V1LcpsNDfg

Quit being silly you can't believe this

Dude we all know this here..

Lmao ok bro

his <1% of supporters?

I'm a Rand/Ron Paul fan, but i dont think the son has the personality / charisma of the father either way.

Hope died with Ron (retiring)

And I'm saying those Machines were/are Karl Roves little fap machines!

Every time we talk about 9/11 or the patriot act or the war on terror or the war on drugs were talking about GOP corruption.

amen.

Because they represent their team and want us to focus on the game instead of the shitty life we have when it's over and we all go home.

Wait. Didn't the RNC try to rig it against Trump? I remember one time there was a state where they didn't allow Trump to get any delegates, which then all went to Cruz. And then Cruz and Kasich teamed up against Trump. The RNC was fighting tooth and nail to make sure Trump didn't win if possible (with exception at the RNC convention).

Yeah we get it. The RNC and the DNC were both fighting valiantly against the Russian takeover

I'm sorry, but that's not what I said nor implied.

This is accurate.

The DNC saw him as a easy win and pushed for him to win the primaries, while the repeiblican party wanted someone like Jeb! or Rubio. They saw Trump as political suicide for their party, hence the never Trumpers of the Republican Party.

What happened?

Trump ran at the right time with extreme anti establishment sentiment in the American public. He was able to strike a chord with his base and was able to get enough republicans who would vote for anybody with a R next to their name.

Right time, right swing states, and a shit economy in the rust belt helped him win.

So no collusion?

There could still be collusion and what I said above.

Oh okay I guess I'll ignore James Clapper and wait for your update thanks.

Clapper said there could be evidence of collusion. He wasn't aware that there was a FBI investigation into the Trump campaign. Watch his hearing with Yates.

😵

??

I believe that is what you believe...

We were made to think they hated him, to make him appear to be an outsider. He's literally the republican version of President Obama and his Hope illusion.

Yep!!

You replied to evidence with nothing. What is your proof?

R/D, two sides to the business party coin.

PR is On Time ??? Really? You choose that name? I remember a time where Donal was a joke ... He ran want 3 times before and every single one time the media called him a joke !! Just go back on YouTube... And you are saying they preferd Trump over Jed Bush ? Or Curz ? .... Fuck you ... Ron Paul is the Berney of the GOP but he was not and has never been as popluler....

It's "prison time" you thick fool...

And if you think Trump is on your side I have a bridge to sell you...

If you think Hillary is on your side you're a moron, or getting paid.

You do not really want to know what I think about the RNC or do you?

Let's give this a whirl: The RNC ripped, tore and shredded Dr. Ron Paul via Rinse Pubics and Dr. Rand Paul threw his own father under the bus!

Karl Rove is an evil nerdy little psycho that has had his stinky fingers in Diebold Voting Machines to line his pockets. He's a huge factor in the Money Laundering Schemes for Drugs, Guns and bababies. He's really slimy if people are interested in digging dirt.

Papa Bush is a serial rapist, assassin and W is just a drunk twinky.

Plenty of us were screaming about the Franklin Case but then we realized that damned near every single elected official is a dirty stinking PEDERAST, closet homosexual raging evangelist, coke snorting Pimp etc.

Any questions?

http://gizmodo.com/200693/how-to-steal-an-election-with-a-diebold-machine

Plenty of us were screaming about the Franklin Case but then we realized that damned near every single elected official is a dirty stinking PEDERAST, closet homosexual raging evangelist, coke snorting Pimp etc.

It's all a charade the secret societies and the bankers put on. Read Carroll Quigley, America has been under occupation for decades.

Well, I come from the Land Of Toe Tapping Larry Craig and drunk driving Mike Crapo...and I'll be damned if any dare tell me these two were innocent!

Fuckin A!!

That is precisely what they want you to do. The Republicans and the Democrats alike.

Bicker among yourselves... Fools.

It looks bad when we chase one parties corruption, but not the other.

We have a mission state as conspiracy theorists to hold all corrupt people in government accountable.

Therefore, let's at least balance the scales?

And why did we stop investigating Pizzagate?

Plus. Ron Paul was WAY more real and anti establishment than Sanders was. To me, Sanders was like a phony anti establishment.

Not as obvious and terrible of a liar and actor like Trump was though...

"Drain the swamp"...haha....classic

I voted for Ron Paul every time he was on the ballot.

I wrote in Sanders because "Clinton or Trump"? Give me a break.

I understand dude.

It made me a little ill. I am not a socialist

I figured at least the guy was honest and consistent...

Trump seemed like a brash bully with no objectivity and prone to knee-jerk reactions.

Hillary is a blood-drinking whore who is glomming onto a rapist.

thanks.

And why did we stop investigating Pizzagate?

Pretty sure this was politically motivated as well.

there are pedophiles on both sides of the political spectrum, I assure you.

Pedophiles need to be put down before they can breed or infect others.

I am quite serious.

Some 20 year old being attracted to a 17 year old is one thing...and in most states, there are provisions for that sort of thing.

An adult messing with children is something altogether different. I don't buy "sickness" or rehab. This needs to be over.

Agreed. They should be out to death. The DEA should be reappropriated to hunt down and exterminate pedos. And drugs should he legal.

Yay!

Pretty fishy.

The whole thing with the guy walking in there with the rifle was a little spooky. Certainly Podesta cannot be "a trusted friend" (- or could he- ?)

The two parties are killing us with self-serving deal making.

Ron Paul won several states that got completely reversed by voting machines. GOP also stole states in 2000 and 2004.

Votes were changed to Romney in the general. He did not come close to Barack Obama.

Hillary stole the primaries from Bernie, then threatened his wife, and stole tens of millions of votes to make the general appear close when it was a landslide. Trump was in on the charade, having been encouraged to run years earlier.

What's your source for the general elections?

Do what elections observers do. Compare polling data to the final result. They fudged the polling data by oversampling Democrats and undersampling independents.

Adjust these polls to the actual electorate that showed up, and you'll see Hillary lost by probably 15 points.

Shill alert OP is a massive faggot

Removed. Your comment breaks rules 4,10.

Oh look, you again with another pro-Democrat anti-GOP post.

They rigged the primaries for trump to beat Rand Paul

LOLOLOL. Trump was fought every step by the GOP. Not only is there zero evidence of your claim, but hasn't even been made up before. You literally just made it up.

Are we gonna chase this DNC goose for 4 years while Trump shits on our civil liberties?

Goose? DWS resigned from DNC chiar over a "goose"? Tell her to go get her job back then if it was a 'goose".

Civil liberties? Like what? hrm. Got a citation for that one?

It is so blatant who you work for what you do for a living. And your coworker trying to say we are "right there with you". Fucking hilarious.

Wow man, you are truly deranged hardcore conservative aren't you?

Why do you prefer to post here instead of r/conservative? Just curious what makes you a "conspiracy theorist"?

Attack...label....deflect...and don't address the comment itself. Interesting

It is like he is following a script, because he is.

I just take it one comment at a time. Everything else is speculation.

I don't care much for the "policing the sub with policies we just agreed on in our little thread" talk tho.

Are you serious man?

It is blatantly obvious. Go make another account and try again.

Start cutting your prozacs in half pal...

More attacks and labels.

You get what you deserve. Posters here aren't as stupid as you wish they were.

This ain't your safe space.

Attack...label....deflect...and don't address the comment itself. Interesting

Wew. Interesting indeed. Apparently you think your 17 day old account is a gatekeeper for this sub that you spam with your bullshit.

Dude, why would you attack me? Do you disagree? Which part do you disagree with?

I don't understand how someone who frequents a conspiracy sub is unaware of these basic principles I've laid out.

Dude, why would you attack me?

Playing the victim card immediately after attacking someone, wonder whose playbook that is from.

I don't understand how someone who frequents a conspiracy sub is unaware of these basic principles I've laid out.

The principle of attacking people then playing victim? Attacking and labeling people whatever you want so you make up a 'principle'?

Just pathetic.

You didn't read his post did you?lol

Redditor since: 05/19/2017 (16 days)

Zero attempt to talk about what I said, straight from the playbook. How long is this batch of accounts going to last you?

Don't strain your tounge while you bootlick for your betters you statist swine.

Who cares if the gop rigged their primaries because Sanders would have beat either one of them.

A Sanders vs Paul ticket would have been interesting. But even then I'd STILL be skeptical. I don't understand why some of you are still analyzing and participating in the political spectrum and these elections as if they were legitimately, and honestly decided by who has the most votes.

I observe these elections from the outside. I already know that whoever wins, will be somebody that benefits the elite. I enjoy trying to put the rest of the pieces together, and see why they chose that particular puppet. Was he/she more effective? Better speaker? Perhaps a minority advantage? (Obama)? What direction will they go using this puppet?

By popular opinion..sure.

Rand paul is a fraud. He co-sponsored the bill that took away rules preventing ISPs from selling your data, then conveniently didn't vote on it, but it still passed unanimously among Republicans. Now, he has been grandstanding about 'blocking' the Saudi arms deal, but in reality is only trying to block 500 million of the 110 billion dollar sale (.45%), to make himself appear to be the 'anti-establishment Republican. Rand Paul is a liar.

Scroll down on this article and do the math yourself. 500m is a drop in the bucket. Rand Paul is doing meaningless grandstanding:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/05/rand-paul-wants-a-senate-vote-on-one-part-of-the-saudi-arms-deal/

The idea that libertarianism is outside of the establishment is the bigger lie. What a joke.

The billionaire Koch bros have been funding libertarian candidates since the early 80s. They're almost singlehandedly responsible for this bullshit.

Ron Paul there was clear election rigging during that election. I didn't see anything obvious with Rand.

How do you figure they rigged it against Rand for Trump when thr GOP was trying to keep Trump from being the nominee? Remember they wanted to go against primary results so Trump COULDNT be the candidate. They wanted Cruz.

Lol Rand Paul wanted to do all the same things his dad wanted to do.

Dismantle the Federal Reserve

Investigate the CIA

Audit the bankers/Fed

End the Drug War

Flat tax rate, throw out the income tax.

Rand Paul is like Ron Paul, but he's more mainstream republican "Undercover".

Watch the debates. Rand Grilled all the GOP nominees on the fed, immigration, drug war, medical marijuana, ect.

He was cockblocked. They needed a guy who was going to be subservient to their plan. Plus he had the money, Rand was mostly grassroots funded like bernie and ron paul.

When Trump was debating Rubio, and Trump mentioned that his dick was of substantial size, I knew for a fact he would be the next "leader of the free world."

Didn't say he wasn't similar (though he has definitely made me question him, but sure maybe he is playing ball and is a sleeper libertarian).

I said the obvious election fraud was against his dad, not much that was obvious against Rand. He dropped out early.

...seeing these posts over the course of the last few weeks are weird af. Like they morph, but they have the same undertones every time. Why would we get Trump out of office? Whoever he gets replaced with would be another puppet, why do you think the media only covers Republicans and Democrats during election seasons? Because they're the people who are networked in, other third party candidates aren't part of the club because their integrity would get it the way.

Party corruption isn't worth focusing on because they'll remain corrupt until they're collectively shut down or called out, both parties. Seth Rich was a dude that loved his country, genuinely, he wanted to make this country a better place for everyone, and he was possibly killed for it. If we can find out and prove who did it, it would provide a bit of justice for him and his family, alongside being able to show people just how fucked up this system is. They will kill innocent, honest people to keep their lies afloat, that is not a system we should blindly contribute to. The DNC is simply an arm to a bigger monster, no decision was made exclusively to benefit the 'party.' If there is proof then people may feel uncomfortable enough to do something about all of this. That's how I feel about this right now.

Are we gonna chase this DNC goose for 4 years while Trump shits on our civil liberties?

Yes.

Yes this sub is going to.

The secret system is stiil in place, of course. Do people not see that the sham two party system is based on a highly architected good cop, bad cop, psychology, with the Democrats evidently being the more humane good cops, and the Republicans being the more sadistic bad cops? This artificial binary system reduces the complexity of really occurring political structures and systems to lowest common democratic denominators, that serve far more to repress democratic societal evolution instead of simply reflecting it, i.e. the two party binary is a consciously designed regulator of popular democratic will, sovereignty, and evolution. It serves to incite, direct, but also to repress, all to the tune of an ever more oligarchic capitalism's direction. The Republican party is largely constituted by actors who consciously or unwittingly play the role of stern, punitive, disciplinarian bad cops, because psychological science has determined that potentially decisive pluralities respond reflexively to this image, the Democratic party presents the maternal, more feminine, caring and accepting face of capitalism, for the same studied but superficial reasons that motivate the Republicans, ultimately both work synergistically to define and control the image and discourse of what is societally possible for the purposes of the retention of power within a reduced apex of individuals that have exceedingly far more in common among themselves then they do with the stultifyingly partisanized masses they ostensibly represent. The elite seeks power for itself not only for obvious financial rewards and familial aggrandizement, but also and equally because, as Kissinger so rightly noted, power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, the highest peak of human pleasure and experience, to be able to command the minds' of millions is a power that has no equal in the individual psychological experiences of man. Without reduced and exclusionary power the entire imperial and warlike American structure falls apart, and America "descends" to the level of political democratic normalcy as comparatively represented by the rest of the advanced Western democracies. America is Europe's id (and this is why Trump is so supremely representative of it), the last remaining aggressor state sprung from the ancient and seemingly eternal example of the Roman imperium, whose various reiterations, from Charlemagne onwards have inspired visions of global domination, incipiently and consistently under the evangelizing banner of the cross, and now under the equally evangelizing banner of neoliberalism, should the rest of the world simply accept domination by a power that fundamentally perceives itself as an inheritor of the ancient Roman imperium, one that was and is supremely elitist and simultaneously decadently manipulative (i.e. seductive) to its core?

Wow dude you just blew my mind.

Make this a post.

America is Europe's id

Love this line.

Awesome comment through and through.

Why does this sub hate corporate power so much yet so many in this sub love the Paul's? Not sure people who think that government should basically leave business alone to do what they want to have our best interests at heart.

Rand Paul's poll numbers were low throughout the primaries. He never had a shot.

The Republican party hated Trump.

Nice revisionist history.

The Republican Party did not hate trump...

And Rand Pauls numbers were low because of a combination of the American public being retarded, and the establishment refusing to give him media coverage and debate coverage. He had the least speaking time at all the debates.

Guess who had the most...

The Republican Party did not hate trump...

You must have missed the entire primaries and debates if you think that. Stop with the revisionist history, especially when it was just a year ago and anyone paying even the tiniest bit of attention would know better. You can't revise history to suit your own viewpoint.

The Republican party hated Trump even up to the damn convention. Not the voters, the candidates and party establishment.

And Rand Pauls numbers were low because of a combination of the American public being retarded, and the establishment refusing to give him media coverage and debate coverage. He had the least speaking time at all the debates.

Guess who had the most...

I think you're falling for the political theatre pal...

The only reason you have faith in him is because of the phony "backlash" he had during he primaries and from the MSM?

Find a sub that suits you. Maybe r/conservative

Ah yes it was all 4 dimensional chess and the other candidates hating Trump and the fathers of the Republican party attacking him non stop—never Trump—and the former Republican 2012 candidate calling Trump a con man who everyone should fear was all some great political chess move to magical win over the voters to Trump's side. Trump saying Bush W. lied to get us into Iraq during a debate where Jeb was involved and where Bush Sr and Barbara Bush were in attendance was political theater. I guess Trump attacking Cruz's wife and family were political ploys too. Genius! 😂🤣

Get the fuck out of here. The entire Republican establishment was still trying to find ways to wrench the nomination away from Trump mere weeks before the convention. 😂

As people age, they naturally grow more conservative. Also, the demonization of these values in liberal media outlets, leads many conspiracy-minded folks to see what they're all about.

Many see Trump as symbolic of the American white male, so they lend their support to this cause despite disagreeing with his foreign policy.

There's also a huge astro-turfing campaign in support of the president, while he is attacked for every meaningless minutiae by 24-hour negative press covfefe.

Finally, there have been a number of email leaks coming from the DNC, but not the RNC, but that in of itself is suspicious.

Trump is most likely a pedophile, blackmailed by Israel. He supports ISIS and the globalist initiative. Don't trust him

Conspiracy theorists are suckered by the left-right paradigm as the oblivious masses.

Your last sentence depressed the shit out of me..but it's so true.

Thanks for commenting ✌️

So you say the RNC stuff matters....

then you say the DNC is a giant 'goose chase'...

So which is it? Does rigging primaries matter or is it just a goose chase?

Reminder that Rand Paul voted against Net Neutrality. He's not "anti-establishment" any more so than other politicians... may be better at hiding it. But he can/will be paid off just like the rest of them.

Bro!!! I love this post. I wish I could upvote it more. Donald Trump is on the take, no doubt. The media is "against" him? Of course, it's all political theater!! He's a ratings giant!! They really love him. Him and Jones co-opted this community. Jones is a subservient lap dog to the establishment!! I really don't think Jones is nefarious. I think Trump played to Jones's ego and narcissism. Jones now has a place at the table and it was calculated by Trump and his handlers.

I downvoted because you said the GOP rigged primary against Rand Paul and there's no evidence of that.

Yes Rand is a better candidate but he didn't win and there's no evidence of rigging, not like the DNC.

Trump is a buffoon, but a buffoon is easier to stop. The establishment democrats are airing EVERY piece of info they can on trump so we already get a ton of anti GOP in MSM. They never focus on Democrats though, and they are the real wolf in sheeps clothing.

Republicans are running and outdated message and it's slowly dwindling. They won because democrats had NO message. Democrats are trying to position themselves as the "not republican" party but it's the opposite, they are actually the same.

So we need to remove the imposter and the GOP will continue to drown itself. We need a people's party and the democrats are in the way of that.

I doubt Rand would have actually won the GOP primary if things were run correctly. But you are right they are screwy too.

They gave Ron Paul a hell of a time and I do know that Ron's votes were not counted in my voting district, which had a an overwhelming amount of Ron Paul supporters. Many of us met up beforehand, and unless all those folks wearing Ron Paul shirts and sporting the bumper stickers on their cars decided at the last min they were really Romney men at heart and then faked like everything was a okay when they left the voting booth... Ron got like 12 votes according to my district, but over 60 of us showed up to vote for him specifically for the meet up. From what I was told by other voters later who voted there, there would have been even more votes.

I would LOVE if the GOP had gotten busted for that BS. But nothing really came of it. I think everyone here is so on board fighting for the DNC shananagains to be brought to light because there is so much evidence, because it will be easy to bring them down. We need to fight for this. When the GOP fucks up in similar ways, then we need to fight for justice there.

The GOP just has not flubbed this bad before, and in such a way people are actually caring. (What seems like most) Dem's love Bernie. Rand just does not have that same level of love, and while he very well might have been screwed out of some votes in the primary, people would think Rand was being a sore looser to fight over this because he simply does not have the numbers.... if that makes sense.

Plenty of us were screaming about the Franklin Case but then we realized that damned near every single elected official is a dirty stinking PEDERAST, closet homosexual raging evangelist, coke snorting Pimp etc.

It's all a charade the secret societies and the bankers put on. Read Carroll Quigley, America has been under occupation for decades.

I'm sorry, but that's not what I said nor implied.

Removed. Your comment breaks rules 4,10.

Plus. Ron Paul was WAY more real and anti establishment than Sanders was. To me, Sanders was like a phony anti establishment.

Not as obvious and terrible of a liar and actor like Trump was though...

"Drain the swamp"...haha....classic

Sigh....nevermind....

Honest question? Where have I distorted facts with my "blind hated"? If you truly read my posts, you'd know that I hate corrupt, corporate (D) just as much as corrupt (R). Trump has shown his true colors with this globalist, corrupt policies.

I said I'd be out marching for Trump if he vetoed the anti-Internet Privacy bill. I'd be supporting him, if his budget helped fix our aging infrastructure instead of giving the top 1% a Trillion dollar tax cut.

The problem I see with the government is it's controlled by bankers and corporatists. Trump actions have shown him to be part of the problem. Good luck finding someone "neutral" that follows politics closely. My only "side" is truth and anti-corruption. If I appear anti-Trump is't because he's playing against that side.

Oh, yeah we do have a problem with new accounts astroturfing on both sides. That said the front page speaks for itself. Either Trump supporters are the silent majority, or we are being brigaded. Suspicious voting patterns like I've found multiple times, makes me think it's the later.

And why did we stop investigating Pizzagate?

Pretty sure this was politically motivated as well.

The whole thing with the guy walking in there with the rifle was a little spooky. Certainly Podesta cannot be "a trusted friend" (- or could he- ?)

The two parties are killing us with self-serving deal making.

Your last sentence depressed the shit out of me..but it's so true.

Thanks for commenting ✌️

I think you're falling for the political theatre pal...

The only reason you have faith in him is because of the phony "backlash" he had during he primaries and from the MSM?

Find a sub that suits you. Maybe r/conservative

Fuckin A!!

Because they represent their team and want us to focus on the game instead of the shitty life we have when it's over and we all go home.