I too would like to bring this back up.

no doubt, this is fucked up... the guy was murdered by the police for exposing them.. I'm surprised his family hasn't ordered another autopsy

if they did they wouldn't find anything... unless they went to the federal level.

With Trump protecting the cops that ain't gonna happen.

Wouldn't be surprised if they were threatened not to...

either that or paid off. but any time a family does not want an autopsy that is proof they were either paid off or threatened.

Not necessarily true, sometimes family just wants to try to move on- autopsies can take time

Source: gf died and her parents didn't want an autopsy because it would be painful in the end

I'm sorry for your loss.

Does it cost for an autopsy?

No, and autopsies aren't always done, just depends on circumstances of death

Which is weird considering they do autopsies on lethal injections​ occasionally to "keep it traditional" but not on deaths that actually seem to need it.

If you're referring to this case, an autopsy was done and it's available online

No sir, just in general. I will definitely look at that though, sounds interesting. Thanks!

A friend of mine's mother had a decades-long pill addiction, and eventually died from an overdose. An autopsy was not offered by her local authorities because foul play was not suspected.

My friend paid $300 for a partial autopsy to see whether the overdose was accidental or intentional. It took 4 months to receive the results, which were done by a private company that was recommended by the county.

(They found that her toxicology levels supported an accidental overdose, just enough dosage to be fatal, and there were no undigested pills present within her body. It brought my friend comfort knowing that her mother likely did not commit suicide.)

Was she murdered by the police after exposing their corruption?

Yeah, I wouldn't want my kids corpse cut apart and inspected too... unless there was a damn good reason to do it. You preform autopsies when needed.

But did she die while obviously infuriating people with the power to kill her?

Also sorry for your loss just pointing out that this might be a little different.

While both of you are missing my point. My point is it'd be more accurate to state "I can't imagine not pursuing a personal autopsy if I was her family". My point is speaking in absolutes tends to obscure the issue at hand and not add to the conversation.

Just because the family is weak doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

An autopsy was done... And the conclusion of stabbing and carbon monoxide poisoning from smoke is a very probable cause of death. The family doesn't need another autopsy... The Fresno one was plenty accurate, just the suicide conclusion is very, very weird (???)

any time a family does not want an autopsy that is proof they were either paid off or threatened.

You can't be serious

You're on /r/conspiracy...many people here don't follow rational thought patterns. Not saying even most, but you know at least SOME OF these people think we're going to die to oxygen poisoning due to aliens dropping cow turds from the heavens.

like the Riches?

Some cultures oppose autopsies in general.

Did they need to be threatened?

I'm surprised his family hasn't ordered another autopsy

Since it's been shown it's possible to stab oneself repeatedly in order to commit suicide, what would another autopsy reveal? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teenager-stabs-death-onstage-open-mic-night-front-shocked-crowd-coffee-shop-article-1.116121

We know there are people who do self harm, because of mental issues, and to also kill themselves as martyrs, so why is it strange to think that someone would predict their death and make it a self fulfilling prophesy?

I know right? To think people working for the police or state can be flawed is just stupid.

THIS is what the scrutiny that goes into Seth Rich should be going into. #HisNameWasJohnLang

Por que no los dos?

Because Seth Rich is a disgustingly politicized tragedy that is representative of how desperate the alt-right has become for credibility. I know conspiracy doctrine automatically dictates "there are no coincidences", but the fact that Seth's parents have to go and tell the internet to stop politicizing their son's murder, the fact that only right-wing scumbags are pushing the narrative, the fact that T_D and co. keep referring to it as an "investigation" when they are doing everything but investigating it - it just gets ridiculous, and sickening.

Meanwhile, this man has concrete proof that the Fresno PD conspired against him, carefully documented the entire ordeal, and was still squashed like a bug by these pigs? And everyone stays silent, because it doesn't serve a political agenda? This is what conspiracies are, what we should be investigating. This is the shit that needs to be uncovered, not something that will serve to further some ulterior motive. Things like this need to see the brightest light of day because it's the right thing to do.

I bet it hurts when you try to think.

Well, I think /u/Elkinorino has a strong point, but oyu have to look at it in another way.

You have a case with intense documentation that should be fairly easy to follow up on and lock down the people responsible. There's easily discernible faces on that first video and a history that's easy to follow. It's all but ignored.

You have another case that doesn't have close to the same amount of documentation, just lots of words on the internet and guesstimates. However, it gets a hell of a lot more attention and is still ongoing in a lot of ways.

In a vacuum, it doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't you pursue the case with far more hard evidence? The key difference is that Lang's death isn't as consequential as Rich's death, in terms of national impact and awareness. It's possible that something huge could come form solving Lang's murder, but we know something massive would come from solving Rich's murder.

That's how I see this, anyway.

Since when are blatant ad hominems that add nothing to the conversation getting double digit upvotes?

Come on people, this subreddit should be better than this.

Reevaluate your life.

Of course you would, given Comey

What does that mean?

Finally a real conspiracy! None of this flat earth reptilian bullcrap

...putting flat Earth and reptilians in the same sentence is not fair. There is substantial evidence suggesting Reptilians could be real. I understand the easier kneejerk reaction is to deny their existence because is scary... But if you believe we live on a globe and all the stars we can see are real then you better believe that Reptilians could be real. You should make a post debunking Reptilians if you're so sure. You'd be a star.

Ok that's actually fair...because in all seriousness it's rather terrifying to think about and thus easily dismissed as not possible.

Yeah I'm not trying to be mean. To be honestly I completely understand why no one wants to talk about it... But the most important things to talk about are the ones that no one wants to talk about.

IE Sandy Hook

Yep. You ask anyone to prove any of the details of the official story and they devolve into a shrieking troll accusing you of being evil and labeling you a demented conspiracy theorist.

When mentioning something gets that reaction you just might be onto something.

But but...my friends got a cousin on Facebook who's mutual friends with a guy who works with this lady who's mutual friends with this dude who's wife's sister in law had a kid die at Sandy hook! How could you say that?

Well my massage therapist's interior decorator told me that their grandmother's girlfriend's adopted Korean daughter was in school that day and she swears she saw Adam Lanza smile and wave at the security cameras before opening fire. Case closed.

It's normal procedure for a medical examiner who just autopsied 22 children to be laughing and have no clue about anything medical at all or pertaining to his job.

I think that's classified on account of National Security or something.

Just a bad case of swamp gas is all.

You'd have to be on cold hearted SOB.

It's unfortunate that it's logistically impossible to have a "no crazies" conspiracy discussion zone. Look at this subthread talking about interviews with underground reptilians talking about crystal matrix data. It's a blight on this thread.

It's unfortunate that it's logistically impossible to have a "no crazies" conspiracy discussion zone.

It's not unfortunate at all. I'm incredibly grateful it's not like that here.

Though I'm positive there's something or multiple things you believe that would get you labeled crazy by someone if you believe any conspiracy theories at all, you're entirely free to go ahead and create your "no crazies" allowed sub and police it according to what you believe is "crazy" or not.

Please, I insist.

Speaking of Sandy Hook someone close to me worked at the hospital involved after the event. By talking to their fellow employees they found out there was no one who came in with bullet wounds that day. If administration found anyone talking about Sandy Hook you would be terminated.

Personally, I really like the alleged interview with the Reptilian woman Lacerta and if she is telling the truth the Reptilians are from Earth and evolved here and live underground primarily and also are not our enemy.

That little tid bit made me feel a lot better, lots of info in the Lacerta interview seems very interesting but who knows.

That interview is definitely a trip.

I loved it, one of the things that really makes me wonder about it is that she says her kind found a relic that had a giant quartz crystal with millions of years of data in it and she said the information was 'embedded within the molecular structure of the crystal' and this interview was released in 1999 IIRC

Cut to 2016 and this article is released:

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/223144-researchers-develop-superman-memory-crystal-that-could-store-360tb-of-data

So that makes that little tid bit of info either prescient fiction or simply truth.

Thank you for sharing! That's awesome.

Yeah the data in the quarts Lacerta said informed her kind of the great wars that took place millions of years ago on Earth and according to her were the cause of one of the main extinctions of the dinosaurs.

I always found this fascinating. Might not be documented on memory crystals but for the time period they certainly went into a lot of peculiar detail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg

1561 celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg

The 1561 celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg was a mass sighting of celestial phenomena or unidentified flying objects (UFO) above Nuremberg, Germany. The phenomenon has been interpreted by some modern UFO enthusiasts as an aerial battle, possibly of extraterrestrial origin. This view is mostly dismissed by skeptics, some referencing Carl Jung's mid-twentieth century writings about the subject while others find the phenomenon is likely to be a Sun Dog.

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Ah this is very interesting in hindsight, Lacerta said that her people are the Cigar shaped craft so if that is true then the Reptilians were active in that aerial battle

=)

Can you link it please? It sounds interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjaIq3fuJg8&t=2751s

Thanks!

Have you read any of David Ickes books? He has a lot of info on reptilians, the history of the 13 bloodlines, secret societies, etc. His book The Biggest Secret is pretty good.

Alas I have not actually read his books yet. Watched a good amount of videos. I've always been more of a sci-fi fan but I think I need to try some potentially non-fiction stuff. Is there a category for books that are written as non-fiction but haven't been verified yet? Semi-fiction? Idk. At the same time I also really want to read Phillip K. Dick's work. Somehow I managed to miss his stuff..

I'd highly recommend Icke's "Human race get off your knees: the lion sleeps no more". To be honest with you, I didn't know what a 'conspiracy theory' even was until after I finished the book and the only reason I picked it up was cuz it thought it'd help me somehow with the whole 'spiritual Ascension' thing. The former chapters seemed quite deep and relatable as I skimmed through. I'd only just started reading books on ESP and the super human feats by those Indian Yogis started making more sense the more I delved into Icke's book. Finally I decided to borrow it from the school's library ( I'm probably the first to have borrowed and actually read the whole thing ). This was two years ago. I'm graduating high school soon. I live in a Hindu community and Icke's book made it pretty clear as to why there are countless references to Serpent Gods (Nagas) in many Hindu scriptures as well as to the nature of other dimensional realms.

It ain't no smoking gun evidence, but I found these tales interesting: Jordan Maxwell tells Reptilian Stories

dude reptilians is absolutely on the same level as flat earth if you are talking sentient humanoid shape-shifting reptilian overlords living on earth. Maybe aliens that happen to be reptilian-esque, but at that point it has the same amount of evidence as any other type of alien, and less than the 'greyling' variety.

Okie dokie

great argument, I'm convinced. That is some substantial evidence!

William Tompkins is certainly more credible than you. Get back to me when you can prove what he is saying is false. Until then I'm going to refrain from jumping to conclusions, like you must have won many trophies and medals for in your life for doing.

William Tompkins

I've seen that 3 hour interview. I remember him talking about aliens, which I think there is reasonable evidence for. Thin grey aliens are a recurring theme for a reason. There is exactly as much evidence for what he is saying as there is for Xenu and scientology: no physical evidence. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

I never said they do not exist, way to jump to conclusions, I bet you've won many trophies for that. They may or may not exist. There is no physical evidence that they do. Not a single body, piece of DNA, photograph, video, or anything else.

So you can't prove anything. If you watched the interview and can even come within a mile of comprehending the reality of the situation that he is suggested you would understand that you can't just go providing physical proof of aliens to the public like you are requesting.

... Everyone who has allegedly tried to do that or planned on doing that has died.

But yeah I guess he's just making it all up to troll humanity. That is what you are suggesting. Or that he is mentally insane. I accept that those are possibilities as well.. But those haven't been proven either.

We could go back to the Moon right? Let's go then.

So you can't prove anything. If you watched the interview and can even come within a mile of comprehending the reality of the situation that he is suggesting you would understand that you can't just go providing physical proof of aliens to the public like you are requesting.

So literally the same as Scientology, got it.

Everyone who has allegedly tried to do that or planned on doing that has died.

Thats convenient.

But yeah I guess he's just making it all up to troll humanity. That is what you are suggesting. Or that he is mentally insane. I accept that those are possibilities as well..

L. Ron Hubbard did the same thing.

But those haven't been proven either.

Again the burden of proof lies on the one making the positive claim.

We could go back to the Moon right? Let's go then.

There is a lot of evidence that NASA doctored footage. They probably did go to the moon, samples of moon dust exist that could not have originated on earth due to their isotopic composition. Whether somebody walked on its surface is another question. As is, whats the point of going to the moon?

So you didn't watch his video where he says we went to the Moon and the true story is the astronauts looked into a crater and there were "hundreds of 9ft tall Reptilians" looking up at them IIRC.

When considering his story as truth... It would logically follow that the "we never went to the Moon" theory is a psy op.

So you didn't watch his video where he says we went to the Moon and the true story is the astronauts looked into a crater and there were "hundreds of 9ft tall Reptilians" looking up at them IIRC.

That sounds like a bad sci fi plot twist. WTF would they be doing there? Little to no atmosphere, no water, no structures, emitting no radiation? Again without evidence I don't take what anyone says as true.

I don't take it as true either. and I don't tell people it's false because I don't have that right. I also don't compare it to flat fuckin' Earth. THAT WAS MY POINT

Thats fair, flat earth can easily be demonstrated to be false, reptilian aliens is an example of a non-testable theory. They both have the same amount of evidence SUPPORTING them. So I could literally make up a theory right now... I believe that all politicians are sufficiently advanced cyborgs that they are indistinguishable from humans, like in blade runner, and they are created by our overlord who lives inside the sun to control us and make us fight/be non-unified. The sun does not produce the correct amount of gravity because its actually HOLLOW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb18kkVlRh4

probably didn't go to the moon or a telescope would be able to show proof. but yeah that has nothing to do with reptilians.

what do you mean by that specifically?

The burden of evidence is on the person making fantastic claims. I have no obligation to disprove anything.

...putting flat Earth and Reptilians

Putting these two in the same post as John Lang is unfair. Or rather, should I say, to discredit and undermine this actual very real, documented, conspiracy.

100% agree but I stand by my opinion as well.

reptilians are symbols for jews.

Now this I could get behind. It would explain the missing trillions, Secret Space Program, etc.

I hear Russia is going to start colonizing the Moon in the next 15 years.

Hold on to your butts.

Reptilians are often symbols for Jews in the same way that "Illuminati" and all similar shadow-cabal theories are often symbols for Jews. That's not a statement about those things being real.

Yeah. I really hope someone can prove they aren't real. I don't want Reptilians to be real.

Jon Ronson, author of "The Men Who Stare at Goats," did a real solid investigation into that theory, and, I feel, debunked it. Icke seems sincere in his belief about reptilians and isn't using code-words for anti-semites:

David Icke" The Lizards and The Jews" [Full Version HD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVh-t4DokdQ

Oh wow, I just realised I am in r/conspiracy and not r/unresolvedmysteries

Hillary was too corrupt tho.

Waow politicians operate in networks of their class interests, what a revelation

Thread successfully derailed - congratulations!

Yep. Just look at the username -gaslightin.

No no no . A real conspiracy! Not a politically driven story that we have heard a thousand times even being talked about on The View for fucks sake.

IE Sandy hook

"I am being targeted by multiple City of Fresno departments and the Fresno Sheriff's Office for comments I made on the Fresno Bee from 2009 to 2013. Comments that were critical of the way Fresno PD and Fresno Fire utilized their budgets. My Disqus handle during that time was "John21". Posters on the Fresno Bee, using the then Disqus comment system were suppose to be anonymous. However, Fresno Bee employee Jody Murray shared Fresno Bee log data and ip address information with Jared L McCormick, a Fresno Sheriff Sergeant, who then used the Fresno Bee provided information to retrieve name and address information in order to maliciously track-down, stalk, and harass Fresno Bee comment posters, including myself.

McCormick's Disqus handle on the Bee was "Hikerdude1967". I notified Jim Boren, the then Fresno Bee Editor via email on two occasions in 2013 regarding an employee at the Bee who was sharing website ip and log data of Fresno Bee commenters with Fresno PD and Fresno Sheriff personnel. I explained in these emails that as a result of Jody Murray's nefarious efforts Fresno Bee commenters were subsequently stalked and harassed by Fresno Law Enforcement. I never received a reply from from Mr. Boren on either occasion. However, consequently, I have been made a constant target of harassment, intimidation, and worse by multiple City of Fresno Departments and the Fresno Sheriff's office."

His situation took my comment to the extreme.

It's called the mainstream ban, only select comments they agree with and only further their agendas are approved. Comments go through what's called the "truth gauntlet" where it gets poked and prodded, stripped of anything thought proving, and finally monetized, limping out of the gauntlet whimpers the "mainstream truth".

Horrific Story of a Man Murdered by Corrupt Police

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Fresno PD and Fresno Sheriff informants George and Maxine Ramirez of Fresno Committing Crimes.

all the details are in the videos, the times, names and clues all spread out but there.

UPDATE: I have recently learned that George Adams Ramirez is a registered Sex Offender and very recently had contact with Fresno Sheriff Sergent Jared L McCormick.

Fresno PD and Fresno Sheriff informants George and Maxine Ramirez of Fresno exposed committing crimes - False Imprisonment and conspiracy to illegally enter my home.

At approximately 8:30 Pm on 4/11/2015 George and Maxine Ramirez, my neighbors, invite me over to their house. After an hour and a half or so I start to get unexpectedly uncomfortable. Quickly, I stand up from sitting on the couch and explain I need to leave because I believe I've lost my wallet. As I walk toward the door Maxine Ramirez immediately blocks my path to the front door and puts her hands up and says “no you can't leave, just sit down”.

WTF?

Older info...

Man found stabbed inside his burning home in Fresno last week is confirmed to be John Lang, a police accountability activist who predicted the Fresno Police would kill him just days prior to his death.

What the hell happened to the John Lang story?

Youtube Video archive

Archive of Jodymurray.com

sounds like that fresno website got "reddited"

Sounds like a "targeted individual" wackjob.

I would leave the state if you fear for your life.

This definitely needs revisiting...good post

"His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCi_PIz5ekU

This should never be forgotten. Ever.

This is the type of shit the FBI should be investigating, on addition to the Clinton Foundation bullshit.

Apparently there was a time long, long, long ago when cops actually helped citizens in need lmao. Now it seems like all they are good for is illegally detaining, beating and murdering people that question ne thing they do that should b questioned.

I don't fucking get it they harass,threaten and "allegedly" kill some guy for whistle-blowing on them running a stupid fucking license plate scam. All seems so idiotic on the cops part but I guess when u can do what ever the fuck u want with no reprocusion u tend to get a little carried away :/

Biggest gang in America because they are allowed to investigate themselves. Corruption goes all the way to the top now.

always a red flag

corruption is inevitable

Jesus Fucking christ, this sub.

Prove it.

Prove any of this bullshit is more than speculators 4Chan horseshit

im not saying its a fact that the cops murdered the subject of this article (but its something to look into)

im saying any time any organizaton or person controls their own oversight corruption will happen

its the reason for things like sarbanes oaxley for finance. You cant investigate your own crimes. there is an inherent conflict of interest

would you trust donald trump to investigate his own shady businesses?

"Prove it"

You might have missed that ^

Trump = Law enforcement agencies which exist to maintain the order of our society and the lives of its citizens

Okay, buddy. I'll be waiting for that proof.

Um...prove police corruption exists?

Prove that there was corruption on this investigation.

Sure brb, joining internal affairs

Aka "brb gonna circle jerk about cops on reddit"

I didn't realize this is a sub where we talk about past closed cases. I'm sure there's a r/solvedmysteries where you can console yourself that the world is orderly and human organizations are universally just

Yeah dude I'm sure you guys will connect the John Lang case to podesta any day now

Why would I do that? Who the fuck do you think I am? Who is you guys?

Nice discussion you guys got going here.

So much evidence being compiled about the proven corruption leading to this guy's actual murder by police.

Do you have a 4Chan infographic for me to maybe get on your level with this case? Thanks

my mistake. I thought you wanted a discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department_corruption_and_misconduct

Police corruption is a real thing, and it is precisely because the oversight is inadequate and has a conflict of interest. Thats not really a controversial opinion anywhere, except maybe within a police department.

see you around

Hahahaha, ok so a wiki page on NYPD cases proves that the fresno, CA police are corrupt and probably killed John Lang and justifies having +2300 upvote thread with people circle jerking about it. Got it.

Honestly a 4Chan infographic probably would have helped your case more.

Anyways, see you around. I'm sure you'll be really busy collecting actual evidence that this murder occurred rather than circle jerking about police corruption on conspiracy

ive already said I dont know what happened in this case for sure. did you miss that while you were writing your repetitive 4 chan posts?

You don't know what happened, you just think police are corrupt and couldn't help but throw it out there, regardless of any of the facts of this particular case, your total ignorance of its details, and your total ignorance about fresno police.

Cool, Thats pretty much the definition of a circlejerk.

Chief Dyer-Fresno PD

There needs to be a separate apparatus to investigate cops. And they need to be elected.

I have no doubt you can prove this, no doubt at all

Their motto is "to serve and protect". They never mention who.

Lol. I guess it can't really be "If u don't behave and do what we want we will fuck u up and maybe kill u"

Apparently there was a time long, long, long ago when cops actually helped citizens in need lmao.

People keep holding to the idea that there was a time when everything was peachy and mankind lived in harmony, and that time was in the recent past. This isn't admonishing you in any way, just to be clear, but I want to say the authorities being corrupt goes back a very long way. There have always been both good and bad people among the ranks of those that enforce the law on the populace, with some helping and some hurting those under their care.

Good point. I keep forgetting that lol.

But it has gotten worse in the last 20 years.

/Come from a family of good cops

There is no such thing as a good cop

the good cops are the ones who report the bad cops. i think there are some in europe, and in some hollywood movies.

Lol. So, it's a hollywood fantasy, just like prince charming. Humans have been socially conditioned into believing they need "protection" from psychopaths.

I wouldn't take it that far. Seems a little extreme. I would say that there aren't enough good cops.

More importantly than any individual cops' moral fiber (possibly excluding this case), modern policing is and always has been predicated on brutal class and race warfare, and no amount of "good cops" change that.

Problem is that while it's obviously false that there was ever a time when corruption wasn't an issue, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the issue has been given light, and people can't refuse to see the issue without being absolutely willfully ignorant of it now.

The people who want to say stupid things like "most cops are good" aren't looking at the issue wanting all cops to be the good guy. They know that only a few of the actions of police ever reach major acknowledgement. They know that when one cop breaks the law, those around that cop typically become accomplices and commit perjury. They know that police investigate police, meaning the entire situation is compromised by a conflict of interest in it's very best of situations, and blatantly corrupt in others.

Does this mean every last cop is some evil villian waiting around the corner to do something criminal in nature? Nope. It does mean that most cops have lost respect for the law and for the communities they police, along with most of their empathy for fellow humans. This is a procedural, systemic, cultural, and societal problem that needs to be dealt with. That lack of accountability that police enjoy will come back to bite them, and it won't be good for police, or for society. It would be better for everyone in the long run to get cops under control.

I noticed cops don't have Protect & Serve on the side of their squad cars anymore. They don't even pretend who they are now.

...

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3866/14788090821_5cd22c1409_b.jpg

Was watching a UK police show yesterday (brit now in the US) and I'd forgotten how friendly 99% of them are, and genuinely want to help, even being polite and working with criminals once arrested to make sure all the evidence is heard and it's dealt with fairly and openly, even in the worst circumstances.

I know not all police are like this, but the majority do seem a lot more caring than the US that I've seen. But once money is involved everyones attitude can be swayed.

Was watching a UK police show yesterday (brit now in the US) and I'd forgotten how friendly 99% of them are, and genuinely want to help, even being polite and working with criminals once arrested to make sure all the evidence is heard and it's dealt with fairly and openly, even in the worst circumstances.

To be fair, I'd imagine it's a lot better being a cop in the UK than in some of the high crime areas in the US. How much do cops in the UK make?

I'd imagine it's a lot better being a cop in the UK than in some of the high crime areas in the US

yeah for sure, knowing that anybody you approach; in almost any situation, could have a gun would be enough to have you constantly on edge...

as for wage

The starting salary for police constables in England, Wales and Northern Ireland is between £19,383 and £22,962, rising to £37,254 at the top of the scale - achievable after about seven years. In Scotland it's slightly higher, starting at £23,493 and rising to £36,885 - achievable after about ten years.

I could be wrong but I think cops in the US make quite a bit more than that.

most jobs in the US have higher wages than the UK I think....

The median annual Police Patrol Officer salary is $53,141, as of May 30, 2017, with a range usually between $44,255-$62,719, however this can vary widely depending on a variety of factors.

hey man they got quotas to fill

I recall a story where Fresno PD beat a Mexican dude to death at a child's backyard birthday party. Gangster!

Apparently there was a time long, long, long ago when cops actually helped citizens in need lmao. No there wasn't.

Read "Rotten to the Core " and tell me about long, long ago. This is about my home town.

It's interesting how cops went from being tough guys to dumb people. When hiring these days they don't want the smartest people, they want people who are less intelligent and more likely to follow the herd...I mean union. There are still great cops out there, don't get me wrong, but I feel like their ideal candidate has evolved into not what is best for their community, but who is easiest to manipulate as a pawn.

I might also just be a bit baked...

Yeah, cops never help people anymore. Step outside and you'll be shot or framed for murder in minutes.

good old sarcasm.

Not saying they r running around murdering and fucking everyone up but they are also supposed to be helping and protecting any citizen that needs it. Wtf were the doing in the case of John Lang.They say he killed himself and burnt his house down. It isn't impossible that he did that lol.....

U should google chief dyer of Fresno pd someday. He is a fucking pos that would def frame u for murder if it benefits him lol.

Don't let this go dark everybody, talk about it with everybody you know!

There's no more justice in this world.

"Gang Stalking is a covert government or police investigation. It's similar to Cointelpro or red squads, and it's being used on a lot of innocent people to ruin them and make them look crazy." -Urban Dictionary entry which describes this tactic well. Also used by the military a lot. Anyway his name was John Lang and I will do my best to let it be known that the police were targeting poor folks and he tried to stand up for them.

The thermal imaging van is back to haunt my dreams, wew

This is the kind of shit I save so when I need to redpill some of my sheepy friends on why you shouldn't trust the government I have something to unholster.

More ammo.

Thank you sir

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To be fair, this looks like a very specific instance of a very corrupt government. Not the case everywhere.

Meh. I could argue otherwise. The entire government of the United States is corrupt to the core.

Not as much as local governments can be. Local governments and police departments literally get away with murder quite frequently. Not even in a "we have to shut this person up" way, frequently just in a "this guy needs to learn some respect" way.

I agree. I believe most cops are good people but there are certainly those who are not, just like in every occupation. However, the power a cop has may attract more people who are bad, just as I believe the power politicians have attract more people who are bad.

So people committ suicide by stabbing themselves in the back, abdomen, and then set their house on fire? Bullshit.

Guy must of really hated himself.

Yeah tell me about it.

*must have

Well, when you commit suicide, you obviously want to do it in the most agonizingly painful way imaginable.

I live in frsno and there is many cases of fresno pd killing people and saying it was a accident/suicide my dads friend got surrounded when they raided his home and they all opened fire on him for no reason then said that he fit the description of a wanted man, its no big deal if a man was killed by the Fresno police, dyer the police chief covers his tracks and is not afraid to get his hands dirty, this is a common occurrence.

So I just did a little digging. Turns out Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer has an interesting past So many allegations, charges from child rape to killing citizens and framing their suicides.

http://fresnopeoplesmedia.com/2015/04/fresno-chief-of-police-accused-of-murdersuicide-cover-up/

I went to school with his daughter. It was tragic when it happened but they know that Dyer is hiding something. They know their dad didn't commit suicide.

never heard of this and i live in CA. Biggest story we heard of was chris dorner, the manhunt was massive and people didnt question the use of "burners" in that one.

I would like to nominate this for a sticky. I don't know if this is how we do this, but o.p. this is very well done and informing.

Pointing out the illegalities of the police? Die. Enough of this.

This story is fascinating.

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Hory Fuck. This needs a sticky. This should be posted on websleuths too.

The same Fresno PD that this just happend to? http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article71621292.html

Link has a 502 error atm

Might have gotten the reddit hug of death for a minute it works for me now.

Think you're right. Working for me too now.

(Fresno’s former deputy police chief Keith Foster offered plea deal in drug-dealing case)

Can you imagine being his family or friends and this has gotten no attention!! This is America dammit we need media that covers and investigates!

I am sure it has made them very open and aware of corruption within police departments. That has to be extremely frustrating. Knowing your son was killed by the police department and not knowing wtf to do.

The reviews for Guarantee Carpet on Google is pretty funny..

Wow that is insane!

fuckin fresno...

"the city addicted to meth" (louis theroux documentary)

once rated the drunkest city based off of dui's and alcohol related arrests.

if you constantly have checkpoints and law enforcement seem to act as in a police state at times, what do the expect to see.

This is outrageous. Thank you OP for bringing this to my attention but the skeptic in me questions timing. Is this a deflect of bigger fish? The heat is certainly on and while this seems slam dunk, I can see this pulling attention away from DNC lawsuit, Seth Ritch, MSM bullshit propaganda, and Russian fake intervention. Again, I was not aware of this specific case and certainly see the validity of it being placed on conspiracy. I never comment, simply read and observe. If this story gains traction, I see national attention on Fresno police. It really seems slam dunk. All due respect to John Lang.

I remember this... creepy... has anyone or can we do a FOIA from the police?

The Fresno Police Department is one of the most corrupt agencies in the USA.

There is a well documented case of a Mexican immigrant who was used by the Fresno Police Department so sell ilegal drugs that they confiscated from drug cartels. This Mexican sued the following police officers from Fresno: Pedro Santillan, Epifanio Cardenas, Raymundo Camacho, John Galvan, Vicki Munoz, M. Vincen and detectives Jerado Chamalbide and Matthew Schiotis. Source: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1552753.html

Supported by the DEA, Fresno policemen force illegal immigrants to sell drugs. Nothing is being done to stop this. A journalist friend wrote a book about this case in Spanish, an academic from UC at Davis translated this book to publish it in the USA and it was rejected by the University. I wonder why.

UCDavis alum here, so sad to see the state of my alma mater the last few years

nice conspiracy fact proof. looks like he discovered a pedo elite and that was straw that broke camels back. before they just harassed him but then they suicide him by stabbing AND fire.

/r/johnlang

Wow. This story needs attention. What a shady bunch of scumbags.

His name was Seth Rich.

I'm a conspiracy pleb and only really read up on conspiracies and don't really take much of a stance when it comes to them but last year when I saw this on /x/ everything just pointed to him being murdered and it being covered up.

The entire police culture is rotten to the core. There is, imo and without a doubt, no other government arm more corrupt in this country than the conbined US police force.

It shocks me that this arm of the government is seemingly above reproach and that all criticism of it immediately brands you as a bad person. No other fucking government agent is treated like they are. You cannot question them. You cannot demand they comply with basic accountability and transparency. Nothing. Anything you demand of them immediately brands you as a cop-hating son-of-a-bitch and dismissed.

Meanwhile, these fucks can run drugs, rape, pimp, launder money, steal, extort, harass, beat and even murder with virtual impunity.

... and the most frightening thing about all this is that instead of the populace waking up and demanding more accountability, the police have exploited the political winds and have merged themselves into the political battleground so that, they too, can be auto-defended by so and so political side.

That scares the shit out of me. Instead of people doing something about it, they draw political battle lines and the issue becomes another red vs blue auto-defend topic.

Shit is getting real scary out here. Smh

... and the most frightening thing about all this is that instead of the populace waking up and demanding more accountability, the police have exploited the political winds and have merged themselves into the political battleground so that, they too, can be auto-defended by so and so political side.

This is a problem with politicizing things that should be bipartisan. BLM has a legit cause, but they have done more to get people to support police than any police propaganda could achieve. It's been a complete failure as a movement, and it hasn't been helped by BLM leaders shifting focus to other politicized causes, because now people are conflating their views on police with issues like affirmative action and feminism, which muddies the issue.

The other thing is that, as this case shows, abuse by police often times has nothing to do with race. John Lang is white (or maybe asian?) and the police chief of Fresno is black. But BLM has created the impression that police are on the side of white people and only abuse black men. If Lang was black, this case would be getting more news coverage, but this story doesn't fit the current narrative.

100% agree. Couldn't have said it better myself

The police chief is white. Source: I live in Fresno. His second in command was black, he was the one found guilty for heroin distribution.

NEWS 9/11 Conspiracy Author Phillip Marshall, His Dog and 2 Kids Found Dead in California:

http://www.anonews.co/phillip-marshall-911/

2012 publication in which Marshall theorized it wasn’t al-Qaida but rather U.S. and Saudi government officials who orchestrated 9/11, was found dead along with his two children in their Murphrys-area home in California

Funny though how the US Saudi theory is pretty much established as the fact now.

He will not be forgotten as long as I live. I think about him time to time, as recently as a week ago.

Damn.

One would like to think that exposing bullshit pull-over practices by local police wouldn't merit a suiciding, but I'll be damned if I've seen much to counter the whole "the cops murdered him" argument.

Good on you, the collective 'you'. There's another thread on /r/conspiracy right now about "getting back on course to talking about conspiracies" "avoiding the trolls and dishonesty pushers".

Here, the OP is information packed, clear, with lots of links. Other than one successful "hey, let's talk about flat earth" sub-thread, everyone is either contributing information or supporting the idea of finding out, and not one single "oh, truth just must be not true" disinformation artist-shill-troll has bothered or dared or been paid to smear their shit on this discussion.

Here comes the summer.... maybe.

If I tweet the Fresno police (I live in Canada) calling them out can I get in trouble?

I wouldn't be surprised if they send an officer to monitor you

And what would they do because I said an American police crew killed someone for calling out their scam?

You drew a weapon on them, they even brought one along to make sure you did.

Lol I think you guys misunderstood... I'm Canadian.

Maybe they'll send in an attack moose.

Holy shit I remember this!

You know the FBI is worthless when they don't step in on potential Internal Affairs issues.

I'm blown away by all this. Seems like a lot of research has happened. What efforts to spread the word have been taken? Contacted any media outlets or social media influencers?

Shit, I remember this. That first video brought it all back. Suicide by stabbing and then setting his house on fire. Riiiight.

Gotta keep the private prisons filled somehow .

Nice to see a real conspiracy on here again

Here was a highly-upvoted comment in r/news from a year ago, detailing a similar experience to what John Lang had:

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4c41v2/man_thrown_in_jail_and_faces_felony_charge_for/d1f07qd/

It's called organized stalking, and the intention is for the subject to commit suicide. It plays a large role in the U.S.'s rising mortality rates (including suicides and drug overdoses).

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What. The. Fuck Fresno

Yeah this story is so fucked.. Clearly the cops were targeting this man. I hope his daughter is safe

His name was John wang

The most creepy of all of his video diary is the one where there is a van outfront and a guy is clearly monitoring the house/him with a large camera/infrared scanner on a tripod.

I don't see this so much as a conspiracy. I see this as a fact. Great post, clear documentation. Video proof. Stabbed in the back, suicide? This post should be sticked.

Conspiracy =/= Conspiracy theory

Thank for this remembrance.

i remember seeing this a while back, very interesting take my upvote

Stab wounds to the back and ruled a suicide? Are you fucking serious?

How does one repeatedly stab oneself in the back? (Literally, not metaphorically)

Last time I checked the stabbed in the back was debunked as bullshit and that his house was completely barricaded from the inside.

Source? just curious, havent put much time into this

I just thought I recalled hearing that was bullshit the first time this was posted is all. So I've got no source other than I'd swear I read it in the initial thread.

one gets a fresno cop to hold the knife, then repeatedly run backwards into it until dead, then set own house on fire

I mean, this is the most plausible explanation I've received so far...

XD

I'm glad this will not go away like the Fresno PD hoped. That department has been and still is involved in very corrupt activities.

Great post. I have read about similar accounts from people who have recorded controversial police shootings or have even had personal conflicts with police officers. They can and will make your life hell. Anyone who wishes to expose police corruption would be wise to make sure it never gets traced back to them.

Careful what you say online. People in the wrong places took note of what he was saying and they took extreme measures to shut him up. That only happens when big money is involved - chances are some heads would roll if whatever Lang was onto came to light and the media took notice. It really is a shame there has been no federal investigation into his death. There are corrupt people in positions of power in Fresno that much seems to be certain - makes you wonder if that corruption extends to the nearby federal field offices or if a few hands have been greased along the way to make this go away. The people who orchestrated this werent even subtle about it either - look at the camera rig they had in the van - that's state of the art, top dollar equipment. Petty house thieves aren't going to have access to such technology. I am amazed they went through such lengths to shut this guy up (the expensive camera in the van was this biggest give-away that this was a professional operation). Killed by stabbing, house set on fire, yet still ruled a suicide.

The Police Chief seems like the best angle to pursue here. You can't ignore his history and you can bet he's hired plenty of corrupt cops in his time. I'd bet the ticketing scheme was just the tip of the iceberg with the Fresno PD.

They will never get in trouble for this. The police here are backed by the DEA, the FBI, ICE, ... they are all in on it. I would like to say THERE ARE GOOD POLICEMEN HERE! They are not all bad. For the most part, they save lives. But what goes on here in regards to corruption - it'll never stop. They won't be brought down. I promise u that! Fresno is an experiment. A test city. they are allowed to do whatever the hell they want here .

Upvoted. I remember this, and want the investigations and pressure to continue.

Damn, how scary it is to think he was asking for help and they still killed him and got away with it.

Who commits suicide by knife? WTF

Crazy people who think the cops are out to get them and want to "prove it". This guy was a fucking loon...

Elliot smith :(

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the stabbed in the back thing was found to be bullshit?

Sounds a bit like the movie Fletch

Well some departments in California do have pedo symbols on their badges. https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@ausbitbank/boy-lover-symbols-found-within-police-badges-collection-history

Fuck fresno pd, lets get these cuntd. To the chans!

I don't go for a lot of the stuff on this site, but as a local, I totally think some conspiracy happened with this. Kern and Fresno counties have a pretty long history of crooked local police, DAs, and sheriffs.

Yes, I remember.

JFC

Excellent post. I wonder if you could get this on the radar over at /r/joerogan. He is someone who could get it out to a wider awareness.

I was born and raised in Fresno for over 20 years. I don't live there anymore, thankfully, but I know a ton of people who grew up with Dyer and went to school with him. He used to smoke crack in my aunts garage back in the day. Hardly anyone there likes him and we all know he's a crook. This is absolutely outrageous.

What does that have to do with anything? A persons behavior automatically means he wasn't murdered?

What? I believe the man was murdered, it's extremely suspicious. I was talking about Dyer being a crook, the chief of police. Not the man in the article who's death was ruled a "suicide".

I'm gonna go crawl into a hole, misread and apologize

It's fine, you're good. :)

Every time I try bringing this up I get shushed. Either the article gets removed, deleted, or I get messaged telling me not to post it. I don't understand.

That's brutal. I remember talking to him on voat. I doubted him. I asked him some questions he didn't have good answers too. Those videos op posted are newer though. I think he may have been right.

Damn. Just god damn.

This is fucking insane. Who watches the watchmen?

This. Is. Why. I. Come. To. This. Sub. Not. For. All. The. Politics. Thank. You.

This will never get anywhere it seems

Thanks for keeping this one alive.

After living in Fresno for 13 years I know that certain districts were corrupt.

I will certainly not forget this, this is absolutely insane. I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact that he got killed by cops for whistle-blowing on a police plate scam.

It felt like a dream as the story really died out quick. I shared it on my FB as it was some strange shit. Maybe he made his Suicide look like a Hit job?

I'm not even a little bit surprised. Fresno is such a shithole. The police there operate like a street gang. The victim needed to get out of town before lighting this one. California's law enforcement system is corrupt from the ground up however. Probably no where he could have ran.

Could be wrong but I once researched police in the country and iirc Fresno was the city with the single highest rate of police shootings per capita in the US.

Can someone describe how the scam works?

So after the police get access to the license plates, what do the police do with it?

Micheal Crichton?

How does one repeatedly stabbed oneself in the videos, the police do with it.

NOTHING is getting appropriate coverage because of Politics these days.

Fucking pigs!

Wow, I hate the police even more now. They actually conspired and murdered an American Civilian. That makes you and your families terrorists. Never let this story die. We have your faces on video, A-holes.

Imagine all the people the Police kill everyday who will never be known or go unreported. These guys seem pretty good at targeting a single civilian. You know they are doing this exact same thing to new and different people as you read this. Bring these Terrorists to justice.

Holy shit. This is crazy...

I know this isn't the point, but I would just move away. Why stay in their jurisdiction? In a distorted sort of way it kind of was suicide.

I'm a Fresno native and this is the first I've heard of this.

This is fascinating

Yep. You ask anyone to prove any of the details of the official story and they devolve into a shrieking troll accusing you of being evil and labeling you a demented conspiracy theorist.

When mentioning something gets that reaction you just might be onto something.

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Speaking of Sandy Hook someone close to me worked at the hospital involved after the event. By talking to their fellow employees they found out there was no one who came in with bullet wounds that day. If administration found anyone talking about Sandy Hook you would be terminated.

And what would they do because I said an American police crew killed someone for calling out their scam?

good old sarcasm.

Not saying they r running around murdering and fucking everyone up but they are also supposed to be helping and protecting any citizen that needs it. Wtf were the doing in the case of John Lang.They say he killed himself and burnt his house down. It isn't impossible that he did that lol.....

U should google chief dyer of Fresno pd someday. He is a fucking pos that would def frame u for murder if it benefits him lol.