You done? You do realize there was massive voter fraud by the dems which there are several cases that are actively being played out in a court of law unlike this Russian fake news

Yeah it's such a conspiracy that the democrats wanted a registered democrat to be their president nominee. Bernie would have labeled the democrat party as a socialist or communist party for the next decade or more. Socialism and communism are bad words to the right wing.

Not just speaking of the obviously corrupt DNC handling of their primaries, but presidential election court cases against the dems. Now, where is the news concerning that home grown voter fraud?

He was slated to be the most popular candidate in history and it was stolen from him by the DNC. No one is innocent in this game.

I guess you don't remember Trump's use of manipulation he was starting when it looked like Bernie might steal some states. "Crazy communist Bernie" Remember that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY__IgLGppU

Yeah, parties always sling shit at the other party. That is a given in any election. What was not ok was the DNC colluding to make Bernie's rise impossible. He was blocked by his own party.

He was blocked by his own party.

Again, he wasn't a democrat. Seems like he went out of his way in his career to not have a democrat label until he wanted to use their party in a presidential election.

Clinton won California and that sealed the deal. So if you want proof of vote rigging I'd start there. Until then the DNC emails look like a bunch of strategy to ultimately put the interests of the party into the white house. Democrats are a still an American party trying to appeal to centrists or capitalists. Not just the young people who are being shafted by capitalism and student loans. The older people who are established in life don't need free education because so many others who have paid see it as unfair.

She didn't win California fairly

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-voting-problems-20160607-snap-htmlstory.html

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-primary-results-confusing-20160711-snap-story,amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/

Nearly 60% of people registered to vote didn't even vote in the presidential election. How many of those broken machines affected a Hillary supporter too?

Can't read the WaPo one, they hate my adblock.

It's hard enough getting people to vote for president let alone take time out of the day to vote for the nominee. Do you think more older people voted in the primary or younger people?

Downvote this comment all you want. The video is Trump's own words from his own mouth starting the anti-commie propaganda against Bernie.

That is NOT why Bernie didn't win.

Bernie's never done work on behalf of the democrats in his life. He wouldn't even put a D by his name in support until he wanted to use their party to become president.

And Trump is not a Republican, you're point?

I don't know... he looks like every republican I've ever seen.

So does Hillary lol. Trump was calling himself a democrat like 2-3 years ago.

Exactly. Democats are a centrist party that people like Trump can possibly try to identify with.

First they push an endless slew of articles stating it's impossible for the voting machines to be hacked.

Next they push an endless slew of articles demonstrating how easy it is for the voting machines to be hacked.

It's all fucking pagaentry.

Obama says, "you need to stop whining about the elections"

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/us/politics/obama-donald-trump-election.html

Well, which is it?

You should ask that of the guy who actually won. He complained about hacking and rigging every step of the way and still whines about the unfairness of the election.

lol source for ONE time Trump has said the election was unfair after it was over

??? He's formed an entire commission to investigate the fairness of the election: http://www.npr.org/2017/05/17/528769195/trumps-election-integrity-commission-could-have-a-chilling-effect-on-voting-righ

integrity and fairness are different

So an election with compromised integrity could still be fair?

yeah sure, if the electoral count isn't even close, and the lack of integrity is statistically insignificant

So you believe that Trump is spending public money to chase down a "statistically insignificant" breach of integrity, and you're OK with that?

Also "millions of votes" (Trumps own words describing the fraud, as he sees it) is in no way statistically insignificant in a country of only 320 million.

i never said i was okay with it, and we both know it wasn't millions of votes

But Trump thinks it's millions of votes (unless he's lying). That indicates he thinks the election was unfair - that he really won by a lot more than the numbers say.

right, we've gone full circle. i would say this indicates he thinks the results lacked integrity, not fairness. maybe he would consider the results unfair if these supposed illegal votes had affected the results which they clearly didn't

Fairness is a binary of win/loss. Trump clearly cares that his victory was of a certain magnitude. Everything regarding this commission and his language - while short of using the actual word "fair" - indicates that he feels it unfair that he's not being given due for a massive landslide of popular support.

Fairness is a binary of win/loss.

what the fuck does that even mean

not a binary. You can win something and still feel the outcome was unfair.

Trump is an illegitimate President by illegal stolen election

As much as I do not like the man the U.S President is and some of the issues he stands upon... I do not believe the election was stolen by anything other than the propaganda used on swing states to get the electoral college. Cambridge Analytica has access to people's data and a powerful social media weapon developed by some brit. So then you'd need an army of propagandists to target people on social media or the outlets those people would be most likely to use.

https://applymagicsauce.com/

Mine was pretty spot on.

Maybe the DHS tried to manipulate our votes and Russia prevented them from doing it?

I did not inhale.

Wrong on several points. The media covered the hell out of Trump or he would not have been the republican nominee. Clinton was highly anticipated to win and her and the DNC had engaged in highly dubious behaviors.

Trumps win was a surprise and there is no evidence that the Russians were involved in the wikileaks or Comey actions that might have ended up hurting Hillary. Hillary and the Trump haters are sore losers. Trump is indeed messed up but would you rather have Pence? You are not being rational. Hillary wanted to go to war with Russia during the election by confronting Russian jets in Syria. Do you remember. The deep state has wanted a new cold war for a long time. And the deep state would rather have Pence than Trump, that's obvious. They would have rather had Hillary, but they misjudged the election. There were a lot of ordinary Americans who after 8 years of Obama had given up on the Wall Street Democrats. It happened. And Russia was not the deciding factor.

One of the biggest problems here is that the "security" associated with the election is supposedly....according to this.....easily hackable and apparently untraceable until after the fact. They didn't warn anyone......and if they did know, their claim is that they didn't know enough to say anything?? Laughable. Even if they could tell things were afoot, they didn't say anything.....no whistle blown, not even with a warning things could be manipulated by a foreign country. That's not a small thing

There is no security. Not really, its only there when its convenient for the establishment.

Even if the Russian hacking BS was true, it just means the intelligence world in the US cannot and could not stop it from happening.

Or the alternate is true, and they let it happen and this is all a big ruse and scam. My money is on the scam.

These machines are offline. The only way to hack is to have physical access. Am i wrong??

Where did you get that they hacked voter machines?

And Trump is not a Republican, you're point?

Nearly 60% of people registered to vote didn't even vote in the presidential election. How many of those broken machines affected a Hillary supporter too?

Can't read the WaPo one, they hate my adblock.

It's hard enough getting people to vote for president let alone take time out of the day to vote for the nominee. Do you think more older people voted in the primary or younger people?

??? He's formed an entire commission to investigate the fairness of the election: http://www.npr.org/2017/05/17/528769195/trumps-election-integrity-commission-could-have-a-chilling-effect-on-voting-righ

not a binary. You can win something and still feel the outcome was unfair.