LOL.

delusions of this magnitude really are hilarious lmao

it's just plain nuts... and people really think this way.

You're fucking delusional if you think that's the swamp.

Wait no, you're more then delusional, you're sewn into the fabric of the rightwing propaganda machine.

What is the swamp then?

The people responsible for the one party government we now have and it includes most of Trump's cabinet, with those few morons thrown in to confuse you.

Gosh. Trump sure is the greatest president ever. Can you believe how awful this country was before he was elected? He's already done so much, this is like an entirely new country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

so you are equating Trump with Stalin????

No... I'm saying jailing political opponents is good right? We only go after the last admin to justify takeover the country. We eliminate term limits for presidents because without Trump this country could go right back into a cesspool of freedom.

Well, if they're not only political opponents but also criminals, then yes, it's justified. Completely.

Hm. Nearly every president is a criminal in some fashion to someone, somewhere.

I really don't buy Obama created ISIS. He was sworn in while we were at war with the economy crashing.

He didn't. Mere presidents don't have the power to make those determinations. If anything, he leveraged to stem the tide of Wahabbism by helping to embolden Iran through support of the nuclear arms agreement. It's one thing I've learned to respect about his presidency, though I have considered that it may have been an agreement set up for failure, based on the absolutely terrible PR campaign unable to substantiate a single undeniable benefit to the US taxpayer, which seemed possibly intentional.

His Secretaries of State on the other hand, die hard neocons, only worked towards the already entrenched system of support for the Israeli/Saudi backing of the Wahabbi terrorists.

Do you not think people who broke the should be punished? Are you okay with an elite class that is above the law?

TFW Trump is an elite...

That's why I think he's in trouble. He was an elite with privilege but then started bad mouthing IC who left him run around as a rampant capitalist.

He is the closest thing you will ever get to a nonestablishment President. You fill in unknowns with your preconceived imaginations. If he fails in draining the swamp, in 20 years you will be kicking yourself for not supporting the guy you have been asking for for decades.

I'm under no illusions America is unfair and that is what was supposedly supposed to make it great. Trump was born with golden spoons in his mouth. My mother came to America from a Native American reservation with nothing. She went to college and is still struggling in this capitalist society. Remember the "small loan of a million dollars" from Trump?

I'm probably a communist/socialist but at this point in time and human history we need wageslaves until we can replace what I call the "lower class" (farmers, not as a inferior but the lower part of the pyramid to build civilization) with robots or basically engineers to control them who will be middle class.

Then we can take everything from the rich and all humans can live comfortably without profit because we will be focused on maintaining the technology to feed us.

Just my views, I don't know shit. I really don't think any of the news should hinder Trump in any fashion. He has a republican congress and house and they rolled back bank regulations so you can have that drained swamp.

Your comment could have just been the "I don't know shit" part.

Oh yeah, how do you expect to solve your problems without socialism or communism? Trump speaks the language of the commies and all the right wing bought it after fervently fighting it for decades.

That's your real anti-establishment.

Capitalism requires you to be born rich, invent, invest, have a service that is highly paid for or be a professional athlete to be successful. Which are you and how are you going to accomplish your dreams?

Are you fucking retarded?

Do you think I am? What exactly do you think you're fighting against or for? Benevolent capitalism? Obama maybe has .01 percent of Trump's reported wealth but he's the bad guy.

I do think you are, yes.

I'm very hurt you would think so =(

Gulag is relevant I suppose since America under the previous wonderful leadership had twice the incarceration rate of the Soviet Gulag era.

Thanks, of course in part to Hillary pushing the Tough on Crime Bill, calling her citizens "super-predators" for crack at the exact same time as Gary Webb was revealing that crack was created and distributed by the CIA.

I never really took to the super-predators comment. Some people are super-predators. I always end up getting Chicago thrown in my face.

This country's problems started with the drug war. Which is most of the criminals in the system. 48.6 percent from google search.

Who created and introduced crack? Who used crack to write the Tough on Crime Bill? Committees were set up to look into Webb's allegations. Why when Gary Webb was telling the world that the CIA had created and started the distribution of crack was crack being used to punish people, increase police enforcement powers and numbers, and take away the rights of citizens?

The Hegelian Dialectic. Imposed by the globalists who you now cheer on at each opportunity.

I have an answer but you won't like it.

Haha subtle link.

What confidential conversation with Comey leak? He talked to a friend about notes he took. Nothing discussed in the conversation was classified and as a private citizen Trump can no longer claim executive privilege.

Yet during this whole mess, he appointed a guy that worked with Chris Christie over that whole bridge clusterfuck and the house passed a bill rolling back regulations on banks. Yeah that swamp sure is draining.

And then he perjured himself about it. Perjury is illegal.

But he didn't.

And then he perjured himself about it.

Citation needed.

I got you, fam

FAKE NEWZ ALERT

May 11th: Comey leaked part of memo.

May 12th: Trump tweeted about Comey leaking to press.

May 16th: Comey leaks rest of memo.

June 8th: Comey perjured himself.

You didn't reply to the last comment I made on your copycheesepasta

May 11th talks about loyalty oaths

May 16th is Flynn.

Both are "content of the memo".

Well, I guess we'll see when Mueller's investigation concludes. People say there are "memos" to which you reply "THE memo".

Not me, Comey. Comey said. I know it is hard for you.

Comey said "the content of the memo".

AMES COMEY, FORMER FBI DIRECTOR: The president tweeted on Friday, after I got fired, that I better hope there's not tapes. I woke up in the middle of night on Monday night because it didn't dawn on me originally that there might be corroboration for a conversation, there might be a tape. And my judgment was, I needed to get that out into the public square and so I asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter. I didn't do it myself for a variety of reasons, but I asked him to because I thought that might prompt the appointment of a special counsel. And so I asked a close friend of mine to do it.

It's the bolded bit. Bolded means dark black. Here, I'll write it out by itself:

Comey testified under oath: "I asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter"

I used quotes and "Comey testified under oath:" to make it clear.

Context. He's talking about a specific memo, not as in he wrote one memo for everything. He's been writing memos since he had to inform Trump that the press was going to release a dossier that he pissed on Russian hookers back in January.

Wait, I didn't hear:

I'm sorry CD for trying to put words in your mouth and make you look bad when it was in fact Comey who said it.

Context

Exactly, context. So, if we go by your current position:

He's talking about a specific memo

Then he released the "content of the specific memo" to the NYT's on May 11th, the day before the tweet and then lied about it under oath.

Yeah he wrote an unclassified memo about loyalty oaths. Your entire premise is he leaked the Flynn memos or that every memo is one memo.

Lol. Thanks for telling me what my premise is.

Let me copy/paste my "premise" for you:

May 11th: Comey leaked part of memo.

May 12th: Trump tweeted about Comey leaking to press.

May 16th: Comey leaks rest of memo.

June 8th: Comey perjured himself.

June 8th: Comey perjured himself.

Which statement in that screenshot is a lie?

Here's the text:

I asked — the president tweeted on Friday after I got fired that I better hope there's not tapes. I woke up in the middle of the night on Monday night because it didn't dawn on me originally, that there might be corroboration for our conversation. There might a tape. My judgment was, I need to get that out into the public square. I asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter. Didn't do it myself for a variety of reasons. I asked him to because I thought that might prompt the appointment of a special counsel. I asked a close friend to do it.

The entire statement.The content of the memo was released May 11th, the tweet happened May 12th.

The entire statement.

So he didn't wake up in the middle of the night, and he didn't ask a friend of his to share the content of the memo with a reporter?

The content of the memo was released May 11th, the tweet happened May 12th.

You keep repeating that like it means something.

Not on Monday after the tweet. The content of the memo was released the previous Thursday in the NYTs.

You keep repeating that like it means something.

It means perjury.

Not on Monday after the tweet.

How do you know this?

The content of the memo was released the previous Thursday in the NYTs.

That was his friends talking to the press about conversations they had with him earlier. That does not contradict his statement.

It means perjury.

It really doesn't.

Because a one-on-one meeting from the "content of the memo" was leaked to the NYT's on Thursday May 11th and can only have come from Comey.

I'm sorry that you don't understand perjury. I'm sorrier that though you don't understand, you are so happy to show that you don't understand as if you do understand.

Because a one-on-one meeting from the "content of the memo" was leaked to the NYT's on Thursday May 11th and can only have come from Comey.

No one is denying that.

I'm sorry that you don't understand perjury. I'm sorrier that though you don't understand, you are so happy to show that you don't understand as if you do understand.

I do understand it, but what Mr. Comey said does not qualify as perjury. Show me a single statement in your screenshot that is false.

Here's the text again:

I asked — the president tweeted on Friday after I got fired that I better hope there's not tapes. I woke up in the middle of the night on Monday night because it didn't dawn on me originally, that there might be corroboration for our conversation. There might a tape. My judgment was, I need to get that out into the public square. I asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter. Didn't do it myself for a variety of reasons. I asked him to because I thought that might prompt the appointment of a special counsel. I asked a close friend to do it.

Take your time.

Take my time? Lol. Because you don't understand, I need to take my time?

How about, you find the part he lied about and get back to me?

Take your time.

He did not lie.

I asked — the president tweeted on Friday after I got fired that I better hope there's not tapes.

True.

I woke up in the middle of the night on Monday night because it didn't dawn on me originally, that there might be corroboration for our conversation.

Probably true, and certainly not provably false.

There might a tape.

True

My judgment was, I need to get that out into the public square.

Probably true. I wasn't reading his mind at that time.

I asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter.

True.

Didn't do it myself for a variety of reasons.

He didn't do it himself. Possibly only for one reason? Is that the lie?

I asked him to because I thought that might prompt the appointment of a special counsel.

Again, I can't read his mind.

I asked a close friend to do it.

True

these memos aren't classified and aren't official documents, it's ok that he did this

I'm not seeing:

The willful assertion as to a matter of fact, opinion, belief, or knowledge, made by a witness in a judicial proceeding as part of his evidence, either upon oath or in any form allowed by law to be substituted for an oath, whether such evidence is given in open court, or in an affidavit, or otherwise, such assertion being known to such witness to be false, and being intended by him to mislead the court, jury, or person holding the proceeding.

So in what judicial proceeding did Comey mislead, whom did he mislead, how? All you linked is articles saying Trump and Comey had dinner, details of their conversation came out, Trump said he hoped Comey wouldn't lie because there are tapes of the conversation.

If anything Trump has committed Witness Tampering.

[Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—

(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;

(2) cause or induce any person to—

(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;

(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;

(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or

(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process;](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512)

I'm not seeing:

Of course you aren't. You'd never see it if it sat on your lap and ate your sandwich.

Witness Tampering

Which crime is Trump tampering with? I love your use of the passive voice to prevent yourself from implicating Comey in perjury.

You have slightly better rhetorical skills than most, but I won't be replying to you if you are going to be obstinate.

You haven't really addressed my points. Perjury is misleading a jury during a court proceeding. Nothing you've linked has shown that.

Witness tampering can involve, "an official proceeding." By telling Comey not to talk because there are tapes Trump is attempting to

(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding; (2) cause or induce any person to— (A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;

Come on man, I'm giving you citations right from the US Code. You're giving me NYT articles. Comey can not have perjured himself as

1. He never misled anyone
2. He is not involved in any type of court proceeding.

Trump has tried to influence or prevent Comey providing documentation or testifying before congress which means he is doing the same during an official proceeding. Congressional hearings are official proceedings, talking to a friend who then talks to a journalist is not.

Being obstinate, so last reply.

Perjury is misleading a jury during a court proceeding

Not true.

Perjury: Perjury is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or of falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding.

You are not "giving citations right from the US Code" in regards to perjury, you made up a convenient definition. You then falsely assume your 1 and 2.

If he had released the "content of the memo" before the tweet, then he struck the first blow and Trump's tweet is in response. He is completely misleading and

is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or of falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding

There really is no question about this, so I find it hard to understand the mindset of someone who tries to deflect. I find it fitting that those who try to deflect falsely describe "perjury" and then try to gain authority by saying they are citing criminal code.

You are wholly disingenuous.

You are not "giving citations right from the US Code"

I linked you right to them. Okay, and even using your broader definition, again, talking to a colleague, friend, or reporter is not an official proceeding. Congressional hearings are. So again, there's no arena for Comey to have perjured himself in, except during the hearings. So show me him contradicting himself in his statements and testimony then we can talk. Til then, you go off and live in your bubble.

In what way is releasing the information misleading? He's conveying his thoughts and opinions about a conversation. What about that is misleading?

I'm sorry for lying. This will really be my last reply:

Okay, and even using your broader definition, again, talking to a colleague, friend, or reporter is not an official proceeding. Congressional hearings are.

Yes, exactly. Congressional hearings are. Where Comey was under oath. And then lied about the reason and date of leaking the "content of the memo".

Please, I hope you are not serious. I really think this is pretty basic. He went under oath and lied about the reason for his leak and it is 100% provable. His lie was to misdirect the proceedings. It was to cast Trump in a bad light and himself as acting in defence. It is blatantly misleading and 100% provably false.

If you can't get that, if instead you try to talk about other things, try to lie about the meaning of perjury and then misdirect the sub as to when he perjured himself, there is really nothing I can say to you.

Please, I hope you are not serious. I really think this is pretty basic. He went under oath and lied about the reason for his leak and it is 100% provable. His lie was to misdirect the proceedings. It was to cast Trump in a bad light and himself as acting in defence. It is blatantly misleading and 100% provably false.

You still haven't shown this. The links you posted at first show he did it because of the President's statements, and to get his side out there. How is that different than what he said?

Lol you edited your comment without mentioning the fact that you lied about the meaning of perjury!

If you'll look I edited it so the link would work, it literally still has my mistake, which I will happily admit I made. In a later post I even said, we would use your broader definition.

You didn't have a link.

Now you are lying about having one.

It's not "my" definition. If you don't understand that Comey was under oath and giving testimony yesterday, or are trying to deliberately mislead, then why bother talking to you?

You have nothing to add. It's a clear cut case of perjury. The content of the memo was released on May 11th and Trump tweeted in response to it on May 12th. Comey deliberately made it seem as he had made a defensive move, when in fact it was a leak to attack Trump. End of story.

The whole definition is a hyperlink dude...not my fault you don't internet.

You had no link. Why lie about it?

You changed the definition and then added a link. You didn't mention this in your comment and now by default you are trying to make my comment look nitpicking rather than yours being deliberately false.

Good day.

You tell yourself what you gotta dude. It didn't show up at first because I dropped the ) at the end of the definition before the actual link. Hence the edit...

You too.

Lol. Your quote was:

Perjury means misleading a jury. Show me a link which gives such a meaning. If not, then there could not have possibly been a link.

There was no dropped ")" and the fact that you won't admit you utterly changed the definition and added a link is speaking volumes.

The same link, that says what it has the entire time is, "during a judicial proceeding." I've already admitted I was wrong using that definition, I haven't changed the definition I used, but added a link to where I got it. That's all I really can/have to say about it.

Plus...if I really was trying to warp the discussion, wouldn't I have used a better definition than I did initially? It's a direct quote from the link anyways.

Draining right into his pockets.

I mean it's been obvious from the beginning all he cared about was enriching himself, his family, and his friends. It's all he's ever cared about.

Really? Even if you are right, calling him "Hussein Obama" is unnecessarily inflammatory and seeks to manipulate the reader by creating an emotional connection to Saddam.

You know damn well that is NEVER going to happen, but yeah, keep LARPing, bro!

Shit posts are at an all time high today folks. Post 'em if you got 'em

If DT does drain the swamp it will be at the end of his term via executive order. He has to be able to navigate the political arena currently and draining the swamp doesnt help that. If he does it towards the end of his 4 year term it would increase his chances of getting re-elected. Doing it now will dissipate its potency .

I bet this is one of those threads where the OP won't respond to any of the comments pointing out his factual errors and clear partisan bias.

Parts of trumps message is truthful, but that boy ain't right, folks. If he could be trusted, thing would be a lot different and authoritarian prison stockholders wouldn't be cheering for the revival of the new piggy wig.

Stop

Best to just resurrect HUAC, jail and or execute all registered Dems, persecute "dangerous professors," lynch the artists, bomb the big cities. MAGAAAAA

so you are equating Trump with Stalin????

Gulag is relevant I suppose since America under the previous wonderful leadership had twice the incarceration rate of the Soviet Gulag era.

Thanks, of course in part to Hillary pushing the Tough on Crime Bill, calling her citizens "super-predators" for crack at the exact same time as Gary Webb was revealing that crack was created and distributed by the CIA.

And then he perjured himself about it. Perjury is illegal.

Draining right into his pockets.

What is the swamp then?

Haha subtle link.

I'm under no illusions America is unfair and that is what was supposedly supposed to make it great. Trump was born with golden spoons in his mouth. My mother came to America from a Native American reservation with nothing. She went to college and is still struggling in this capitalist society. Remember the "small loan of a million dollars" from Trump?

I'm probably a communist/socialist but at this point in time and human history we need wageslaves until we can replace what I call the "lower class" (farmers, not as a inferior but the lower part of the pyramid to build civilization) with robots or basically engineers to control them who will be middle class.

Then we can take everything from the rich and all humans can live comfortably without profit because we will be focused on maintaining the technology to feed us.

Just my views, I don't know shit. I really don't think any of the news should hinder Trump in any fashion. He has a republican congress and house and they rolled back bank regulations so you can have that drained swamp.

Lol. Your quote was:

Perjury means misleading a jury. Show me a link which gives such a meaning. If not, then there could not have possibly been a link.

There was no dropped ")" and the fact that you won't admit you utterly changed the definition and added a link is speaking volumes.