Kennedy assassination shit, 911 truther shit. Whether any of that is true or not, it's weird how valid social criticsm gets tied into stuff like that.
What's even weirder is that these style of sites are the only ones that regularly publish articles on the actual bad shit going on here. Mainstream media talks about this stuff so rarely it never pops up on Google. Makes u think.
There are legit issues to look into but all too often people are too lazy to look for core reasons. It is easier to believe there is a giant plot and to just theorize.
That is to say that there aren't conspiracies (hell yes there are, from lobbyists conspiring to everything else). The problem comes in when we don't have real journalists and investigators working to find the truth behind things (which can often have many heads - from religion to money to power in general).
People like Jones find a niche to make money in. You don't have to look for truth, you just have to claim to either have it or ask 'questions'.
Alex Jones believes fish people live in jars in government labs. His site is also one of the only ones that publishes articles regularly about the actual, real, proven effects of income inequality in the US, thus equating the two.
Economic injustice and fish people, the same thing, first results on Google.
That's just what they revealed publicly, now imagine the top secret programs going on involving fish-human hybrids. You act like there's 0% chance of it going on.
There's 0% chance of it going on. A nonhuman mammal with human cells is one thing; creating a viable fish-mammal hybrid is bonkers. It's not the kind of technology that could be created and developed in secret. It's like saying the government is secretly terraforming Venus.
And if Jones can't tell the difference between good sources and bad (my favorite was the anonymous guy who told him the Air Force has antimatter bombs capable of destroying the sun, whom Jones took totally seriously) then he's hardly a credible source himself.
How would you know if it's not the kind of technology that can be developed in secret? You don't know, so you can't 100% say it's not possible. I suggest you look into the secret space program and the evidence of that, then you will see the top secret technology that they keep secret from the public
Fair enough. It's not 100% impossible, just as it's not 100% impossible that I'm you from the future, using time travel technology developed by secret federal bureaucrats.
I can think of half a dozen things which you could refer to as a "fish person" which are totally plausible.
You're really overstating the unlikelyhood, by assuming a particular approach (a genetic hybrid of literal fish and human?), but there's really no way of knowing what exactly fish people is referring to, unless I'm missing something.
But I do think Alex Jones is likely to be either a disinfo agent or someone who has been cultivated into an unwitting disinfo agent, and I agree with the basic point. When somebody with a platform like his starts an argument by calling out the elite, and ends it by asserting that they are psychic vampires from space, the overall effect is counterproductive.
Fish-human hybrids sound like something the DOD would be interested in too! Swim into the enemy sub pen and attach this listening device/bomb and swim out again.
It may not be technically zero, but I think it's fair to say that the odds that Jones was relating a true event are as close to zero as these things get. I appreciate your point, though.
Doesn't matter if they are rational or not, provide evidence etc, they are of the conspiracy type and against the msm and the establishment, one of us!
He's definitely a narcissistic douche. If any "Conspiracy theorist" was a charismatic level headed person that was amassing an enormous following I believe they would slow kill them with some type of chemical agent. They wouldn't flat out assasinate them because that would make people pay attention and it would legitimatize them.
Think about how easy it is to hire a few clowns to pollute a community. Think about how easily people dismiss a community based on a few clowns within it. Why wouldn't the powers that be engage in something of such high utility?
Jones is a Zionist plant meant to play pied piper for the "conspiracy-minded" Americans, making them out to be kooks, all while taking pressure off of the Jewish supremacist state of Israel.
Really tho? Do you even watch MSNBC/NBC/BBC/CNN/Fox? That seems a bit excessive. Sure they run asinine stories from time to time (cough cough CNN), but that is far from "reporting news from a parallel universe" (unless the universe is identical...)
Alex Jones doesn't talk about israel. This should be a dead giveaway. And if you hear some of his stuff you will see that he said: "Israel did nothing wrong" and "My parents survived the holocaust". Plus he's jumped on the Trump con man train.
The stuff I've seen on this subreddit is more out there than Alex Jones' stuff. All the corrupt powers would have to do is send people here to get people to turn away from conspiracy theories.
Alex Jones is legitimately entertaining in my opinion. He'd be the worst person to get people to stop believing in conspiracy theories. That guy only opens up people to more stuff.
He's definitely entertaining--he's a genius communicator, although with some serious limitations.
I'm not sure that he's persuasive in the sense of opening people up, though. His style is so bombastic and unrestrained that I think he is most effective as a kind of cheerleader. He gets people who are already in his camp, or close to it, fired up and excited and a bit more radical. Not in the sense of grabbing a gun, but in the sense of being willing to accept more outlandish versions of the things they already believe. Going from "GMOs are bad" to "GMO scientists have made fish-human hybrids for the sex trade."
And the result, I think, is that his advocacy both spreads and limits conspiracy theories. It spreads them among listeners who were predisposed to them, and limits them in the mainstream. If the first time someone hears about the Sandy Hook theories it's in the context of "Alex Jones says...", then most people will roll their eyes and assign those theories to their mental garbage can (correctly, in my opinion). But if someone's already into conspiracy theories, and thinks Jones is a pioneer with some cool stuff to say, they're much less likely to put on the skeptic hat and look for flaws in the theory.
Since the mainstream is wider than Jones's affinity pool, I think the result is probably to shrink the pool but deepen it. This is purely speculation, and I can't even speculate whether the shrinking or deepening is the more significant effect.
It's a fair assessment but you still wouldn't want to promote him through the media if you were conducting conspiracies, and you didn't want people to know about them.
Another day, another attack on Alex Jones and Infowars. I have been following him for 15 years. I can tell you 90% of the allegations leveled against him are false. Look at you dismissing things as INSANE. Spend some time READING BOOKS. You'll get to the point where you can entertain all sorts of CRAZY things. Infowars became popular because MSM omits so much. Now Infowars is just a lot of lefty bashing. Can't say I blame them considering how INSANE the left is acting right now. Lapping up MSM conspiracy theories because...Watergate? LMAO!
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n/a Bruuus 2017-06-12
Such as? They're probably true. Expand your mind
n/a writer5hire 2017-06-12
Kennedy assassination shit, 911 truther shit. Whether any of that is true or not, it's weird how valid social criticsm gets tied into stuff like that.
What's even weirder is that these style of sites are the only ones that regularly publish articles on the actual bad shit going on here. Mainstream media talks about this stuff so rarely it never pops up on Google. Makes u think.
n/a CaucasianEagle 2017-06-12
I think you just want to protect yourself from the insanity that is the world.
n/a Bruuus 2017-06-12
Oh sweet summer child
n/a Aesthetics1488 2017-06-12
He'll get there, don't worry.
n/a snowmandan 2017-06-12
No he won't, you'd be surprised
n/a Aesthetics1488 2017-06-12
I'm hopeful.
n/a Jadehelm522 2017-06-12
Kennedy assassination shit? 911 truther shit? Bro, you're on the wrong sub lol everyone on this sub is a 911 and jfk truther
n/a eupf 2017-06-12
whoops, looks like you don't have any good criticisms of AJ
he actually exists to taint the valid info he occasionally sprinkles around in his rants
n/a MichelleObamasPenis 2017-06-12
and
and
Yup, the MSM speaking through the population right there.
n/a digiorno 2017-06-12
Alien shadow wars for control of our planet..
n/a Another-Chance 2017-06-12
The thing is how people sway on things.
There are legit issues to look into but all too often people are too lazy to look for core reasons. It is easier to believe there is a giant plot and to just theorize.
That is to say that there aren't conspiracies (hell yes there are, from lobbyists conspiring to everything else). The problem comes in when we don't have real journalists and investigators working to find the truth behind things (which can often have many heads - from religion to money to power in general).
People like Jones find a niche to make money in. You don't have to look for truth, you just have to claim to either have it or ask 'questions'.
n/a writer5hire 2017-06-12
It's probably just about money, on both sides. Pretty depressing.
n/a schweinhunde 2017-06-12
The reasonable top level comment gets downvoted here. So here, you're back to +1. :-)
n/a Jadehelm522 2017-06-12
You gave no examples. What is insane about infowars? You're on a conspiracy sub calling infowars insane
n/a writer5hire 2017-06-12
Alex Jones believes fish people live in jars in government labs. His site is also one of the only ones that publishes articles regularly about the actual, real, proven effects of income inequality in the US, thus equating the two.
Economic injustice and fish people, the same thing, first results on Google.
n/a Jadehelm522 2017-06-12
Alex Jones said he was told about the fish hybrids from a source. Alex Jones does have pretty good sources since a source told him that Hilary was collapsing before footage emerged of her collapsing. Also, Are you saying human-animal chimeras are impossible? https://www.technologyreview.com/s/545106/human-animal-chimeras-are-gestating-on-us-research-farms/
That's just what they revealed publicly, now imagine the top secret programs going on involving fish-human hybrids. You act like there's 0% chance of it going on.
n/a Kolyin 2017-06-12
There's 0% chance of it going on. A nonhuman mammal with human cells is one thing; creating a viable fish-mammal hybrid is bonkers. It's not the kind of technology that could be created and developed in secret. It's like saying the government is secretly terraforming Venus.
And if Jones can't tell the difference between good sources and bad (my favorite was the anonymous guy who told him the Air Force has antimatter bombs capable of destroying the sun, whom Jones took totally seriously) then he's hardly a credible source himself.
n/a Jadehelm522 2017-06-12
How would you know if it's not the kind of technology that can be developed in secret? You don't know, so you can't 100% say it's not possible. I suggest you look into the secret space program and the evidence of that, then you will see the top secret technology that they keep secret from the public
n/a Kolyin 2017-06-12
Fair enough. It's not 100% impossible, just as it's not 100% impossible that I'm you from the future, using time travel technology developed by secret federal bureaucrats.
n/a downtherabbit 2017-06-12
Haha got cha ya time travelling shill basterd.
n/a schweinhunde 2017-06-12
How about mermaids?! Answer that one!!! /s
n/a Kolyin 2017-06-12
Trick question. Mermaids are insects that mimic mammalian characteristics, like cats.
n/a schweinhunde 2017-06-12
Damn, you got me there. I better brush up on my taxonomy.
n/a weed-bot 2017-06-12
I can think of half a dozen things which you could refer to as a "fish person" which are totally plausible.
You're really overstating the unlikelyhood, by assuming a particular approach (a genetic hybrid of literal fish and human?), but there's really no way of knowing what exactly fish people is referring to, unless I'm missing something.
But I do think Alex Jones is likely to be either a disinfo agent or someone who has been cultivated into an unwitting disinfo agent, and I agree with the basic point. When somebody with a platform like his starts an argument by calling out the elite, and ends it by asserting that they are psychic vampires from space, the overall effect is counterproductive.
n/a WisperingPenis 2017-06-12
Fish-human hybrids sound like something the DOD would be interested in too! Swim into the enemy sub pen and attach this listening device/bomb and swim out again.
n/a Kolyin 2017-06-12
It may not be technically zero, but I think it's fair to say that the odds that Jones was relating a true event are as close to zero as these things get. I appreciate your point, though.
n/a ShieldedGred 2017-06-12
So we take sides on this?
Doesn't matter if they are rational or not, provide evidence etc, they are of the conspiracy type and against the msm and the establishment, one of us!
n/a EricCarver 2017-06-12
Some people like him, some don't. Some like CNN, some don't. Some like drudge, some don't.
If you dislike infowars, might I suggest you don't watch it?
n/a get_it_together1 2017-06-12
Yes, people don't take kindly to people impugning the credibility of information sources in this sub.
n/a EricCarver 2017-06-12
No, I think if someone doesn't like a source that others do, just don't use it. We should all be critical of all sources.
FYI, I do not use infowars. But as I said, some people I respect do.
n/a dfu3568ete6 2017-06-12
Its COINTELPRO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNKUvCQFok
n/a Awesomo3082 2017-06-12
His behavior at this protest makes me think that he's either a narcissistic douchebag, controlled opposition, or both. Not a fan of the guy.
n/a Hambone_Malone 2017-06-12
He's definitely a narcissistic douche. If any "Conspiracy theorist" was a charismatic level headed person that was amassing an enormous following I believe they would slow kill them with some type of chemical agent. They wouldn't flat out assasinate them because that would make people pay attention and it would legitimatize them.
n/a thinkB4Uact 2017-06-12
Think about how easy it is to hire a few clowns to pollute a community. Think about how easily people dismiss a community based on a few clowns within it. Why wouldn't the powers that be engage in something of such high utility?
n/a themanchestermoors 2017-06-12
Anyone who thinks Jones is anything but a plant is insane. Your observation is spot on.
n/a globalism_sux 2017-06-12
Jones is a Zionist plant meant to play pied piper for the "conspiracy-minded" Americans, making them out to be kooks, all while taking pressure off of the Jewish supremacist state of Israel.
n/a minesweep4eva 2017-06-12
It's working.
n/a Reasonedfor1 2017-06-12
Check Alex Jones' myspace friend list to see who his friends are.
n/a Positive_pressure 2017-06-12
I don't know much about InforWars, but I came across this video a while ago, and I would like someone to explain what insane beliefs are in it:
A Vote For Hillary is a Vote For World War 3
n/a dukey 2017-06-12
Personally I think the MSM has gone totally insane. They might as well be reporting the news from a parallel universe.
n/a Baneshe 2017-06-12
Really tho? Do you even watch MSNBC/NBC/BBC/CNN/Fox? That seems a bit excessive. Sure they run asinine stories from time to time (cough cough CNN), but that is far from "reporting news from a parallel universe" (unless the universe is identical...)
n/a dukey 2017-06-12
The political bias is extreme.
n/a SigmundFloyd76 2017-06-12
I agree with the "parallel universe" comparison. Just sayin'
n/a snowmandan 2017-06-12
I do too
n/a Baneshe 2017-06-12
Like half of MSNBC's anchors are Republicans/from Fox news.
n/a Mrexreturns 2017-06-12
Alex Jones doesn't talk about israel. This should be a dead giveaway. And if you hear some of his stuff you will see that he said: "Israel did nothing wrong" and "My parents survived the holocaust". Plus he's jumped on the Trump con man train.
n/a Peanuttles 2017-06-12
Don't forget who invented the term "conspiracy theory" and why...
n/a Greatsussudio 2017-06-12
Zero Hedge is a fine source of info
n/a RhyminSaneville 2017-06-12
Exactly, by pushing the arguments to their extreme left or right they subvert and control the narrative, prevent any actual discourse.
n/a Splub 2017-06-12
I don't even know why you'd come here.
The stuff I've seen on this subreddit is more out there than Alex Jones' stuff. All the corrupt powers would have to do is send people here to get people to turn away from conspiracy theories.
Alex Jones is legitimately entertaining in my opinion. He'd be the worst person to get people to stop believing in conspiracy theories. That guy only opens up people to more stuff.
n/a Kolyin 2017-06-12
He's definitely entertaining--he's a genius communicator, although with some serious limitations.
I'm not sure that he's persuasive in the sense of opening people up, though. His style is so bombastic and unrestrained that I think he is most effective as a kind of cheerleader. He gets people who are already in his camp, or close to it, fired up and excited and a bit more radical. Not in the sense of grabbing a gun, but in the sense of being willing to accept more outlandish versions of the things they already believe. Going from "GMOs are bad" to "GMO scientists have made fish-human hybrids for the sex trade."
And the result, I think, is that his advocacy both spreads and limits conspiracy theories. It spreads them among listeners who were predisposed to them, and limits them in the mainstream. If the first time someone hears about the Sandy Hook theories it's in the context of "Alex Jones says...", then most people will roll their eyes and assign those theories to their mental garbage can (correctly, in my opinion). But if someone's already into conspiracy theories, and thinks Jones is a pioneer with some cool stuff to say, they're much less likely to put on the skeptic hat and look for flaws in the theory.
Since the mainstream is wider than Jones's affinity pool, I think the result is probably to shrink the pool but deepen it. This is purely speculation, and I can't even speculate whether the shrinking or deepening is the more significant effect.
n/a Splub 2017-06-12
It's a fair assessment but you still wouldn't want to promote him through the media if you were conducting conspiracies, and you didn't want people to know about them.
n/a Kolyin 2017-06-12
Yes, good point.
n/a The_In-Betweener 2017-06-12
Another day, another attack on Alex Jones and Infowars. I have been following him for 15 years. I can tell you 90% of the allegations leveled against him are false. Look at you dismissing things as INSANE. Spend some time READING BOOKS. You'll get to the point where you can entertain all sorts of CRAZY things. Infowars became popular because MSM omits so much. Now Infowars is just a lot of lefty bashing. Can't say I blame them considering how INSANE the left is acting right now. Lapping up MSM conspiracy theories because...Watergate? LMAO!
n/a dukey 2017-06-12
The political bias is extreme.
n/a minesweep4eva 2017-06-12
It's working.