There was nothing for Russia to hack, ergo, they didn't hack the election. Ergo, the narrative is false.
One of the weakest replies yet. They aren't talking about voter machines they are talking about getting access to and weaponizing personal information.
This is hilarious. The last dying gasp of a reactionary regime. Pure Republican propaganda that means nothing but trying to crush those who don't perfectly comply with the Republican Oligarchy.
Fact one: James O'Keefe is paid six figures a year by Republican oligarchs to make deceptive videos to discredit political "enemies" and specifically by the Donald Trump campaign, the oligarch Robert Mercer and his outlet Breitbart, and the Koch brothers and their Donors' Trust Dark Money organization.
Fact two: James O'Keefe's political "enemies" are Democrats and only Democrats or their supporters.
Fact three: James O'Keefe got into legal trouble and political trouble for faking a video about Acorn and misleading people about Planned PArenthood.
Fact four: James O'Keefe has been a highly paid political infiltrator of CNN for years now.
Fact five: Donald Trump supporters consist of a large pluraity of the population -- possibly as many as one in three.
Fact six: CNN is a large company with thousands of employees.
Fact seven: given probability and enough time, James O'Keefe was bound to find a Donald Trump supporter working at CNN.
NOTHINGBURGER.
And what are we supposed to learn from this? We are supposed to learn something we already know -- that CNN is bad. One great form of propaganda is to deliver something to "prove" their beliefs -- then to use that to distract from reality.
Reality is:
James O'Keefe supports the Current Government in Power -- something that we haven't seen here at Conspiracy until recently. James O'Keefe masks his well-paid support for Republicans in scandal and subterfuge. The real reason that James O'Keefe supports Republicans (aside from his six figure paycheck) is because he wants MORE REPUBLICAN POLICIES.
And that's what is missing from these games of finger-pointing and corruption ...
Republican policy is to end Medicare, Medicaid, all regulation, sell of the United States to unaccountable oligarchs, fully privatize and monopolize the internet, etc.
In other words, Republicans want to take us back to the societal structure of the 1800's. This is the end game.
What if the GOP were hacked and you found evidence of the GOP colluding with others to get rid of Trump? Wouldn't you like to see Ryan and Preibus emails during that time?
Would you like to hear criticisms with Hillary Clinton CGI transferring arms and funds with Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Morocco [which she took 12 Million from the latter and removed them from the Terror list]
Non sequitur. You said I had a problem with the Jews. I listed Arab nations involved in illegal funding with Clinton. Which shifted to McCains foundations.
As mentioned Im waiting on similar stuff from the evil villains of our time.
We weren't talking about Trump - even though SA is a destabilizer in the region, the Trump deal was done in public, not secret emails. There's no relevance besides your obfuscation.
We were talking about spying. You implied that noting the Israeli spying operations was anti-semitic wherein I responded with criticisms of SA (simply showing criticisms exist not just for Israel).
This was in response to you claiming some kind of existential spying threat from Russia.
Once again... what information do you think the IsraeliRussian government has from the NSA that you can't get from peoplefinder.com?
Whoops. Still no proof provided on that.
...that you're willing to engage in quite literally whataboutism.
You asked people if they care about privacy. Do you care the citizens and government are being spied on by Israel?
...Israel has been caught carrying out aggressive espionage operations against American targets for decades, according to U.S. intelligence officials and congressional sources. And they still do it. They just don’t get arrested very often.
Sure I do. We need to know what the targets are because there is a lot of anti-semitism from the American right, including your defense of the number 1488.
Seems likely they would target those guys. Which is why most republicans tout the Israeli line while their followers are the ones spreading the truth.
You included that as some effort to discredit what I say. There's other things you could have went with but you go for the 1488 and white supremacist line. Because it is what it is.
I simply noted you were using buzzwords. Try to use some higher brain function. If I defended 1488, it would be a rational defense. Much of the buzzwords you are using are irrational. Remember calling people "Trump Cultists."
The words being tossed around are very cult like. I said you sound like you were brainwashed with an Antifa manual. This is because its verifiable Antifa is being funded by NGOs, for the sole purpose of destabilization. Surely you can see the rational and logical reason of why that is not good for a country.
As for "far right" "the right", or "alt-right"...the Alt-Right never existed. It was a fiction made by Hillary's campaign to discredit her detractors at the time. Currently it's been co-opted. By who? No idea. Maybe break that story and you can really bring them down.
1488, and the rest are silly memes. Some made by people genuinely thinking themselves satirists and Im sure some Black Propaganda. Anyone stupid enough to fall for that or glorify that is stupid.
Thats my defense. No defense. If you use it you are an idiot. If you vilify it, you are in the same boat. Use higher brain function. Live life.
It's not a buzzword. 88 literally means Heil Hitler.
Most liberals don't even know this but I do because I spent time learning about the new right wing ideology. Blaming Hillary for the term alt-right when Richard Spencer exists is the last straw. You can comment at me, but I won't be engaging with you anymore.
Already said the "Alt-Right" was co-opted immediately. It wouldn't be surprise if it was planned from the beginning.
Timeline: Hillary detractors building large numbers
Hillary's campaign website labels them alt-right
Suddenly "personalities" pop up. Spencer et al. No one identifies with them or knows who these people are within the anti-Hillary group.
They are essentially two groups. One organic, one manufactured. Now Poes Law is taking effect and people are falling for the meme.
Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.
-Renes Descartes
Understand if you don't want to engage. Not trying to bash on ideologies only incite brainwaves.
He's saying that these people have repeatedly robbed the citizenry of their privacy, so you're probably not going to find a lot of sympathy. I get what you are saying abput the headlines, and you are right though. If anything they should say he said "CNN's coverage of Russia has been bullshit" he doesn't dismiss it out of hand, and judging from the video it does seem he at least adknowledges the possibility thete is something there.
I was just pointing out that "personal" information is already out there when you can find a lot of information on someone through sites like peoplefinder.com
It really depends on what information the NSA is giving out and on who.
I keep on forgetting that Russia is a peace loving country that has never attacked any other country, interfered in any other countries affairs. There has never been any suspicious deaths of enemies of Putin. There is an open and free press and no government intimidation of rival politicians.
If you check my posts and comments you will find that I have criticized the US many times. It seems that many people only complain about what the US has done and seem to say that other countries have done no wrong.
Well if you look at the majority of comments about Russia interfering in our elections and elsewhere you would think that I'm only talking about the USA.
You would think that will all the people defending Russia and criticizing how evil the USA is there would me more Americans moving to Russia.
Yea I hear you and it mostly looks that way but I don't think it's so much Russian cheer leading as it is calling out the bogus claim of Trump/Russia collusion to pull off the 2016 election win.
Russian and US govt's are as bad as each other but demonizing Russia is over the top and actually dangerous and I believe, leading us into a hot war.
He's in every thread defending Russia to the death. He thinks Russia is a pure democracy where Putin never silences dissent or kills journalists or jails political opponents. He also doesn't believe the earth is round.
I wouldn't call CNN fake news because I don't believe they actually do any journalism. They more or less report on news reported by others unless they get an exclusive.
A 3 year old account with less karma than me is accusing me of being a shill. Sounds like a bought account to me.
If you must know, my last username was on an old email and has the character from league of legends in it. So I made a new one.
BTW kings of fake news is Fox and Breitbart, friend.
Lol I'm not afraid of it. I just don't care about that account as years ago I only ever posted in the lol subreddit. I don't play that game anymore so I don't want my name to be that anymore. Plus I'd have to reset that password. This is my regular account and only account as far as I'm concerned.
Go through this account all you want. I seriously could care less if you downvote every post I ever made. You spend your time attacking users over talking about the message. Even going as far as wanting me banned so you can be in your safe space.
"Could be bullshit"
"It's mostly bullshit"
"We don't have any big giant proof"
"If you were finding something, we'd know about it"
"The president is right to say it's a witch hunt"
"Because [Russia story] it's ratings"
"This is a business"
"Trump's good for business"
What's the matter? Did I hurt your feelings pointing out right wingers and Trump cultists don't actually watch the videos and just start commenting lies from the headlines?
It's your general use of terminology combined with the reactive non sequitur banter. "Trump cultists", "White supremacists", "red scare" (ironic this one), "1488 are you for real", "CNN isn't fake news" (they just fired 3 people over this & retracted stories - ignoring historically how much they lie).
There are no sources. This didn't happen out of the blue. They pushed a false narrative with no sources and doubled down on it. This developed over months.
Coincidentally CNN blocked their pages from being archived around the same time the Russia narrative popped up.
Anyone else notice the same kind of people complaining about shills are the ones who behave like them?
Engaging in a narrative blitz, deflections to irrelevant topics, comments meant to distract or enrage, attempts to discredit users based on things like account age, etc.
It's fantastic watching the left collapse into itself like a dying star, all of their corruption and the manipulation of their useful idiot followers have damned the entire party. Your time is over, you're just too consumed by the ideological subversion to realize it.
You think those people are going to vote for Trump in 2020 or what?
What exactly does that mean, "your time is over". The left just got done with 8 years of a president beloved around the world. Republicans are the ones with Trump as their face.
Obama isn't beloved, you just don't venture out of your safe spaces. Trump will win in 2020 by a bigger margin because everyone is sick of the identity politics and corruption from the left. I live in a liberal city and every day I see more and more trump support. The left has no platform, they whine like children, and they have become the party of division at every turn. The left has radicalized and the moderate left is leaving your party in droves. You would see these facts if you ventured out of your echo chambers.
Yours is a typical argument from someone suffering from cognitive dissonance. You're attacking me personally but not my statements because you are defeated by my facts alone. So, my question for you: If I defeated your entire argument so easily and I am a joke, what does that make you?
That's not an attack. I'm pointing out that your name says you're a patriot over the "deep state" when one could argue that the American deep state are THE singular most American patriotic group. As you are defending Russian influence in elections to get right wingers elected.
You have no argument, you're basically just stating right wing talking about about being anti-liberal. Even engaging in creating mobs with "more people are feeling like this" so others can be reinforced in their support for the Trump cult.
I'm not defending Russian influence because there was no Russian influence. Again, it's really easy to beat any argument that you have because I have facts, and you have fake news.
James Comey lied under oath and that's common knowledge and it was all over left and right leaning media. Man, you really have no clue what you are talking about, huh? The left is getting dumber and more delusional by the hour.
And you're actually correct, I never made an argument, I just gave facts that couldn't be argued.
OP you can see by the beside-the-point comments and rhetorical squabbles/partisan attacks you're encountering that you've ruffled some feathers with this post.
This is a darkly fun place to inhabit. Illuminating, though, not always the case. When conspiracy just means rumor, and political rumor-flinging is good business these days, this is what you get.
Just click on the video. I linked it directly at the bullshit Russia comments. First words out of his mouth is "Could be bullshit".
Could be. I just don't buy that these networks have only been fake news as long as Trump has been attacked. Do I think CNN is real "news"? No I don't. I think they basically report on news other people report on unless they get an exclusive for having a name brand.
Those couple of sentences is from an 8+ min video and therefore should be taken into context with the whole video. Not just a couple of words.
I'm happy to hear you don't consider CNN to be real news. By Bonifield's own words CNN's constant baseless reporting on Russia is for the ratings, therefore taking themselves out of the news industry and into the entertainment industry.
What irritates people is how CNN puts themselves forward as an unbiased credible new organisation when they clearly aren't.
It's a shame the US mostly liberal media has pushed the muh trump/russia narrative so far and neglected real stories their liberal audience would normally be interested in. Like, no DAPL, Flint water, rolling back legalizing cannabis, more war, increased military spending, etc etc.
By focusing mostly on Russia, CNN and their counterparts are giving Trump a free pass to do whatever he likes and that's not good for anyone.
Exactly!!! CNN doesn't actually care about causes or issues, they just want more money and ratings and the Russia story gives them that. It's easier to eat people outraged about Trump/Russia than it is about police militarization and never ending wars, which is ridiculous to me. The government has been stripping our rights and solidifying their power for decades (centuries?), but that gets ignored because it doesn't get the ratings or the clicks. It's fucking ridiculous. CNN, Trump, Fox, and Hillary are all pieces of shit because they've all allowed/created the massive government powers that destroy our rights as American citizens.
This is hilarious. The last dying gasp of a reactionary regime. Pure Republican propaganda that means nothing but trying to crush those who don't perfectly comply with the Republican Oligarchy.
Fact one: James O'Keefe is paid six figures a year by Republican oligarchs to make deceptive videos to discredit political "enemies" and specifically by the Donald Trump campaign, the oligarch Robert Mercer and his outlet Breitbart, and the Koch brothers and their Donors' Trust Dark Money organization.
Fact two: James O'Keefe's political "enemies" are Democrats and only Democrats or their supporters.
Fact three: James O'Keefe got into legal trouble and political trouble for faking a video about Acorn and misleading people about Planned PArenthood.
Fact four: James O'Keefe has been a highly paid political infiltrator of CNN for years now.
Fact five: Donald Trump supporters consist of a large pluraity of the population -- possibly as many as one in three.
Fact six: CNN is a large company with thousands of employees.
Fact seven: given probability and enough time, James O'Keefe was bound to find a Donald Trump supporter working at CNN.
NOTHINGBURGER.
And what are we supposed to learn from this? We are supposed to learn something we already know -- that CNN is bad. One great form of propaganda is to deliver something to "prove" their beliefs -- then to use that to distract from reality.
Reality is:
James O'Keefe supports the Current Government in Power -- something that we haven't seen here at Conspiracy until recently. James O'Keefe masks his well-paid support for Republicans in scandal and subterfuge. The real reason that James O'Keefe supports Republicans (aside from his six figure paycheck) is because he wants MORE REPUBLICAN POLICIES.
And that's what is missing from these games of finger-pointing and corruption ...
Republican policy is to end Medicare, Medicaid, all regulation, sell of the United States to unaccountable oligarchs, fully privatize and monopolize the internet, etc.
In other words, Republicans want to take us back to the societal structure of the 1800's. This is the end game.
You think those people are going to vote for Trump in 2020 or what?
What exactly does that mean, "your time is over". The left just got done with 8 years of a president beloved around the world. Republicans are the ones with Trump as their face.
We weren't talking about Trump - even though SA is a destabilizer in the region, the Trump deal was done in public, not secret emails. There's no relevance besides your obfuscation.
We were talking about spying. You implied that noting the Israeli spying operations was anti-semitic wherein I responded with criticisms of SA (simply showing criticisms exist not just for Israel).
This was in response to you claiming some kind of existential spying threat from Russia.
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n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Russia spiked my coffee with artificial sweetener.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Another tactic. Outrageous comment to derail potential conversation.
You won't red scare me. I promise you that.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
There's nothing to derail. Obama stated the election can't be hacked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruh2p_Wh_4
There was nothing for Russia to hack, ergo, they didn't hack the election. Ergo, the narrative is false.
Whether there's another motive behind the entire overarching narrative [left/right] is an interesting question, but irrelevant to this.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
One of the weakest replies yet. They aren't talking about voter machines they are talking about getting access to and weaponizing personal information.
n/a flyinghighernow 2017-06-28
This is hilarious. The last dying gasp of a reactionary regime. Pure Republican propaganda that means nothing but trying to crush those who don't perfectly comply with the Republican Oligarchy.
Fact one: James O'Keefe is paid six figures a year by Republican oligarchs to make deceptive videos to discredit political "enemies" and specifically by the Donald Trump campaign, the oligarch Robert Mercer and his outlet Breitbart, and the Koch brothers and their Donors' Trust Dark Money organization.
Fact two: James O'Keefe's political "enemies" are Democrats and only Democrats or their supporters.
Fact three: James O'Keefe got into legal trouble and political trouble for faking a video about Acorn and misleading people about Planned PArenthood.
Fact four: James O'Keefe has been a highly paid political infiltrator of CNN for years now.
Fact five: Donald Trump supporters consist of a large pluraity of the population -- possibly as many as one in three.
Fact six: CNN is a large company with thousands of employees.
Fact seven: given probability and enough time, James O'Keefe was bound to find a Donald Trump supporter working at CNN.
NOTHINGBURGER.
And what are we supposed to learn from this? We are supposed to learn something we already know -- that CNN is bad. One great form of propaganda is to deliver something to "prove" their beliefs -- then to use that to distract from reality.
Reality is:
James O'Keefe supports the Current Government in Power -- something that we haven't seen here at Conspiracy until recently. James O'Keefe masks his well-paid support for Republicans in scandal and subterfuge. The real reason that James O'Keefe supports Republicans (aside from his six figure paycheck) is because he wants MORE REPUBLICAN POLICIES.
And that's what is missing from these games of finger-pointing and corruption ...
Republican policy is to end Medicare, Medicaid, all regulation, sell of the United States to unaccountable oligarchs, fully privatize and monopolize the internet, etc.
In other words, Republicans want to take us back to the societal structure of the 1800's. This is the end game.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Is McCain a Republican Oligarch? Im curious because most of the funding for Clinton Global Initiative went to his Foundation after CGI went down.
n/a flyinghighernow 2017-06-28
Oh, look, an "aha" question from an 11-day old pure partisan account. The answer is ... maybe. The people I named surely are. :)
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
I just posted about co-operation between party lines. How is that partisan exactly?
n/a Its-Space_time 2017-06-28
None of those things that you said are facts.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
So the election was "hacked" by weaponizing information?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Do you not believe in privacy?
What if the GOP were hacked and you found evidence of the GOP colluding with others to get rid of Trump? Wouldn't you like to see Ryan and Preibus emails during that time?
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
So the election was "hacked" by weaponizing information?
n/a The_Veracity_Sector 2017-06-28
You mean like this?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
How is that like this?
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
You can get most people's personal information from websites like this.
http://www.peoplefinder.com/
Now tell me how NSA giving Israeli's raw data is the same as gaining access to political party member's emails?
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Hmm, well, depends if Israel has stated objectives in American Government/Politics...
Is Israel friend or foe?
Odd that Israel and the NSA patched things up after that incident. Good thing they can share your data now.
Now remind us of the yardstick you are using.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I dunno just sounds like you have more of a bone to pick with Jews.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Would you like to hear criticisms with Hillary Clinton CGI transferring arms and funds with Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Morocco [which she took 12 Million from the latter and removed them from the Terror list]
Equal opportunity.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
What about Hillary Clinton, you know the woman not president of the U.S?
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Non sequitur. You said I had a problem with the Jews. I listed Arab nations involved in illegal funding with Clinton. Which shifted to McCains foundations.
As mentioned Im waiting on similar stuff from the evil villains of our time.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Again, she's not president. Also Trump just sold weapons to SA.
Trump's campaign manager just today registered as a foreign agent.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
We weren't talking about Trump - even though SA is a destabilizer in the region, the Trump deal was done in public, not secret emails. There's no relevance besides your obfuscation.
We were talking about spying. You implied that noting the Israeli spying operations was anti-semitic wherein I responded with criticisms of SA (simply showing criticisms exist not just for Israel).
This was in response to you claiming some kind of existential spying threat from Russia.
Try to stay on track.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I just said you have more of a bone to pick with Israeli Jews that you're willing to engage in quite literally whataboutism.
Once again... what information do you think the Israeli government has from the NSA that you can't get from peoplefinder.com?
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Whoops. Still no proof provided on that.
You asked people if they care about privacy. Do you care the citizens and government are being spied on by Israel?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Sure I do. We need to know what the targets are because there is a lot of anti-semitism from the American right, including your defense of the number 1488.
Seems likely they would target those guys. Which is why most republicans tout the Israeli line while their followers are the ones spreading the truth.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
What was my defense of 1488? I would like to hear the basis of it.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
You included that as some effort to discredit what I say. There's other things you could have went with but you go for the 1488 and white supremacist line. Because it is what it is.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
I simply noted you were using buzzwords. Try to use some higher brain function. If I defended 1488, it would be a rational defense. Much of the buzzwords you are using are irrational. Remember calling people "Trump Cultists."
The words being tossed around are very cult like. I said you sound like you were brainwashed with an Antifa manual. This is because its verifiable Antifa is being funded by NGOs, for the sole purpose of destabilization. Surely you can see the rational and logical reason of why that is not good for a country.
As for "far right" "the right", or "alt-right"...the Alt-Right never existed. It was a fiction made by Hillary's campaign to discredit her detractors at the time. Currently it's been co-opted. By who? No idea. Maybe break that story and you can really bring them down.
1488, and the rest are silly memes. Some made by people genuinely thinking themselves satirists and Im sure some Black Propaganda. Anyone stupid enough to fall for that or glorify that is stupid.
Thats my defense. No defense. If you use it you are an idiot. If you vilify it, you are in the same boat. Use higher brain function. Live life.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
It's not a buzzword. 88 literally means Heil Hitler.
Most liberals don't even know this but I do because I spent time learning about the new right wing ideology. Blaming Hillary for the term alt-right when Richard Spencer exists is the last straw. You can comment at me, but I won't be engaging with you anymore.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Already said the "Alt-Right" was co-opted immediately. It wouldn't be surprise if it was planned from the beginning.
Timeline: Hillary detractors building large numbers
Hillary's campaign website labels them alt-right
Suddenly "personalities" pop up. Spencer et al. No one identifies with them or knows who these people are within the anti-Hillary group.
They are essentially two groups. One organic, one manufactured. Now Poes Law is taking effect and people are falling for the meme.
-Renes Descartes
Understand if you don't want to engage. Not trying to bash on ideologies only incite brainwaves.
n/a NarwhalStreet 2017-06-28
He's saying that these people have repeatedly robbed the citizenry of their privacy, so you're probably not going to find a lot of sympathy. I get what you are saying abput the headlines, and you are right though. If anything they should say he said "CNN's coverage of Russia has been bullshit" he doesn't dismiss it out of hand, and judging from the video it does seem he at least adknowledges the possibility thete is something there.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I was just pointing out that "personal" information is already out there when you can find a lot of information on someone through sites like peoplefinder.com
It really depends on what information the NSA is giving out and on who.
n/a AIsuicide 2017-06-28
If it's Aspartame it was Rumsfeld.
n/a jeffinRTP 2017-06-28
I keep on forgetting that Russia is a peace loving country that has never attacked any other country, interfered in any other countries affairs. There has never been any suspicious deaths of enemies of Putin. There is an open and free press and no government intimidation of rival politicians.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I hear they have annual pride parades
https://news.vice.com/article/photos-show-activists-being-attacked-and-arrested-at-gay-pride-parade-in-moscow
n/a expletivdeleted 2017-06-28
what is so different from the US?
n/a jeffinRTP 2017-06-28
If you check my posts and comments you will find that I have criticized the US many times. It seems that many people only complain about what the US has done and seem to say that other countries have done no wrong.
n/a DstopianParadise 2017-06-28
Are you talking about Russia or USA?
n/a jeffinRTP 2017-06-28
Well if you look at the majority of comments about Russia interfering in our elections and elsewhere you would think that I'm only talking about the USA.
You would think that will all the people defending Russia and criticizing how evil the USA is there would me more Americans moving to Russia.
n/a DstopianParadise 2017-06-28
Yea I hear you and it mostly looks that way but I don't think it's so much Russian cheer leading as it is calling out the bogus claim of Trump/Russia collusion to pull off the 2016 election win.
Russian and US govt's are as bad as each other but demonizing Russia is over the top and actually dangerous and I believe, leading us into a hot war.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-06-28
Quick! Russia this, Russia that, Russia hit my dog with a baseball bat... err ee err err err ee err err .
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
So what do you think about the second video I posted?
n/a HereWeGoAgainDude 2017-06-28
He's in every thread defending Russia to the death. He thinks Russia is a pure democracy where Putin never silences dissent or kills journalists or jails political opponents. He also doesn't believe the earth is round.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Yeah I know Puty here well by now. It's telling that he never answered my question.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-06-28
No I don't, please provide evidence for that. I shall wait.
n/a Aesthetics1488 2017-06-28
You sound like you're working for CNN
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
1488 are you for real?
n/a Aesthetics1488 2017-06-28
Pretty good year I think.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
lol I'm not stupid. It's a white supremacist number. 14 we must protect white people or something and 88 being HH.
n/a Aesthetics1488 2017-06-28
Whatever you say. That sounds interesting though, links?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Oh it sounds interesting does it?
n/a Aesthetics1488 2017-06-28
Yeah?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Here's a link for ya.
https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82696000/jpg/_82696216_2641661.jpg
n/a Aesthetics1488 2017-06-28
I'm sure those civilians appreciated the war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union
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n/a Fooomanchu 2017-06-28
BREAKING NEWS
Three month old account defending king of fake news CNN.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I wouldn't call CNN fake news because I don't believe they actually do any journalism. They more or less report on news reported by others unless they get an exclusive.
A 3 year old account with less karma than me is accusing me of being a shill. Sounds like a bought account to me.
If you must know, my last username was on an old email and has the character from league of legends in it. So I made a new one.
BTW kings of fake news is Fox and Breitbart, friend.
n/a Fooomanchu 2017-06-28
Hilarious that I never called you a shill, yet you accuse me of being a shill.
Why are you being so defensive?
By all rights you should be banned for violating rule 10.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I don't think they should because you're playing dumb acting like you aren't calling me a shill.
n/a Fooomanchu 2017-06-28
No amount of wishing it will make it true.
You should fall back to plan B and accuse me of being from T_D.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Then explain what is the point in pointing out my account's age?
n/a Fooomanchu 2017-06-28
You're afraid to post on your regular account.
You're new to this sub.
It's obvious you never post here because being razzed about your account age is like a rite of passage for any conspiracy minded user like us.
You have no credibility.
Nobody can look through your past posts to see whether you're consistent with your arguments.
I could go on... shall I?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Lol I'm not afraid of it. I just don't care about that account as years ago I only ever posted in the lol subreddit. I don't play that game anymore so I don't want my name to be that anymore. Plus I'd have to reset that password. This is my regular account and only account as far as I'm concerned.
Go through this account all you want. I seriously could care less if you downvote every post I ever made. You spend your time attacking users over talking about the message. Even going as far as wanting me banned so you can be in your safe space.
n/a Fooomanchu 2017-06-28
Why so defensive? I only answered the question you asked.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
You'd call any response as defensive. You'd call no response as proof of me being a shill.
n/a Fooomanchu 2017-06-28
You're projecting again. Remember, you're the only one who accused anyone of being a shill.
Besides, I'm only here to waste your time.
Where can we go with this?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I dunno bruh, you got destroyed already by truth.
n/a Fooomanchu 2017-06-28
Sorry, was that the truth of the CNN producer admitting the Russia angle was bullshit?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
He said it "could be". Once again the enemy is truth not me.
n/a Fooomanchu 2017-06-28
"Could be bullshit" "It's mostly bullshit" "We don't have any big giant proof" "If you were finding something, we'd know about it" "The president is right to say it's a witch hunt" "Because [Russia story] it's ratings" "This is a business" "Trump's good for business"
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Are you shitposting or did someone blow Datura in your face and force you to read an Antifa manual?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
What's the matter? Did I hurt your feelings pointing out right wingers and Trump cultists don't actually watch the videos and just start commenting lies from the headlines?
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
It's your general use of terminology combined with the reactive non sequitur banter. "Trump cultists", "White supremacists", "red scare" (ironic this one), "1488 are you for real", "CNN isn't fake news" (they just fired 3 people over this & retracted stories - ignoring historically how much they lie).
Truly some excellent shitposting.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I already knew you'd defend 1488. Not a surprise to me.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Explain the defense given.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
So I guess they do have some journalistic integrity eh? You're the one who pointed it out.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
More like they have a fear of law suits or worse.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Either they fire people for not vetting sources good enough or it's all completely fake. Pick one.
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
There are no sources. This didn't happen out of the blue. They pushed a false narrative with no sources and doubled down on it. This developed over months.
Coincidentally CNN blocked their pages from being archived around the same time the Russia narrative popped up.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
https://np.reddit.com/r/TrumpInvestigation/
That's not nothing. There is a lot which you won't even bother to look at.
n/a LetsSmashStacks 2017-06-28
Anyone else notice the same kind of people complaining about shills are the ones who behave like them?
Engaging in a narrative blitz, deflections to irrelevant topics, comments meant to distract or enrage, attempts to discredit users based on things like account age, etc.
n/a TokyoVardy 2017-06-28
The left projects
Its what they do.
Liberals are hypocrites
n/a LetsSmashStacks 2017-06-28
I see you're still caught up in partisan bullshit, both sides do it.
n/a TokyoVardy 2017-06-28
Yea nah
n/a LetsSmashStacks 2017-06-28
Lol okay bud
n/a TokyoVardy 2017-06-28
Sweet
n/a PatriotVSDeepState 2017-06-28
It's fantastic watching the left collapse into itself like a dying star, all of their corruption and the manipulation of their useful idiot followers have damned the entire party. Your time is over, you're just too consumed by the ideological subversion to realize it.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
LOL so you really think the "left" is "done".
You think those people are going to vote for Trump in 2020 or what?
What exactly does that mean, "your time is over". The left just got done with 8 years of a president beloved around the world. Republicans are the ones with Trump as their face.
n/a PatriotVSDeepState 2017-06-28
Obama isn't beloved, you just don't venture out of your safe spaces. Trump will win in 2020 by a bigger margin because everyone is sick of the identity politics and corruption from the left. I live in a liberal city and every day I see more and more trump support. The left has no platform, they whine like children, and they have become the party of division at every turn. The left has radicalized and the moderate left is leaving your party in droves. You would see these facts if you ventured out of your echo chambers.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
lol that's all one big right wing joke.
n/a PatriotVSDeepState 2017-06-28
No. It absolutely is not a joke, and neither is the cognitive dissonance that you're dealing with.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
lol your name alone is proof of a right wing joke.
n/a PatriotVSDeepState 2017-06-28
Yours is a typical argument from someone suffering from cognitive dissonance. You're attacking me personally but not my statements because you are defeated by my facts alone. So, my question for you: If I defeated your entire argument so easily and I am a joke, what does that make you?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
That's not an attack. I'm pointing out that your name says you're a patriot over the "deep state" when one could argue that the American deep state are THE singular most American patriotic group. As you are defending Russian influence in elections to get right wingers elected.
You have no argument, you're basically just stating right wing talking about about being anti-liberal. Even engaging in creating mobs with "more people are feeling like this" so others can be reinforced in their support for the Trump cult.
n/a PatriotVSDeepState 2017-06-28
I'm not defending Russian influence because there was no Russian influence. Again, it's really easy to beat any argument that you have because I have facts, and you have fake news.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
You never made an argument. You make absolute statements and write paragraphs about being anti-liberal.
James Comey testified under oath Russia was involved. You know a man Trump praised on T.V and blew a kiss at.
n/a PatriotVSDeepState 2017-06-28
James Comey lied under oath and that's common knowledge and it was all over left and right leaning media. Man, you really have no clue what you are talking about, huh? The left is getting dumber and more delusional by the hour.
And you're actually correct, I never made an argument, I just gave facts that couldn't be argued.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I know I'm correct. About everything including everything I've written about your writings.
n/a PatriotVSDeepState 2017-06-28
You're not correct, you are actually wrong in every aspect. But keep it up, we are enjoying the constant victories over the delusional left.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
It's alright, keep your neo-liberal Trump.
n/a PatriotVSDeepState 2017-06-28
Now you're just embarrassing yourself...
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
So you don't think Trump is a neo-liberal?
n/a paulie_purr 2017-06-28
OP you can see by the beside-the-point comments and rhetorical squabbles/partisan attacks you're encountering that you've ruffled some feathers with this post.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
I mean... the guy literally says "could be" and every headline says "he says it's bullshit" .
All I did was point that out.
n/a paulie_purr 2017-06-28
And now you take your lashes. r/conspiracy as usual.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Thank you r/conspiracy, may I have another?
n/a paulie_purr 2017-06-28
This is a darkly fun place to inhabit. Illuminating, though, not always the case. When conspiracy just means rumor, and political rumor-flinging is good business these days, this is what you get.
n/a DstopianParadise 2017-06-28
You're reaching and I'm betting deep down you know it.
It's your choice and it's "adorable" (quoting Bonifield) that you support CNN.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Just click on the video. I linked it directly at the bullshit Russia comments. First words out of his mouth is "Could be bullshit".
Could be. I just don't buy that these networks have only been fake news as long as Trump has been attacked. Do I think CNN is real "news"? No I don't. I think they basically report on news other people report on unless they get an exclusive for having a name brand.
n/a DstopianParadise 2017-06-28
Then he follows with "I mean it's mostly bullshit right now. Like, we don't have any big giant proof."
http://imgur.com/a/YZoYf
Those couple of sentences is from an 8+ min video and therefore should be taken into context with the whole video. Not just a couple of words.
I'm happy to hear you don't consider CNN to be real news. By Bonifield's own words CNN's constant baseless reporting on Russia is for the ratings, therefore taking themselves out of the news industry and into the entertainment industry.
What irritates people is how CNN puts themselves forward as an unbiased credible new organisation when they clearly aren't.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
TBH, any and all connections have been routinely dismissed. Even as far as, "so what".
n/a DstopianParadise 2017-06-28
It's a shame the US mostly liberal media has pushed the muh trump/russia narrative so far and neglected real stories their liberal audience would normally be interested in. Like, no DAPL, Flint water, rolling back legalizing cannabis, more war, increased military spending, etc etc.
By focusing mostly on Russia, CNN and their counterparts are giving Trump a free pass to do whatever he likes and that's not good for anyone.
n/a jrlovejr92 2017-06-28
Exactly!!! CNN doesn't actually care about causes or issues, they just want more money and ratings and the Russia story gives them that. It's easier to eat people outraged about Trump/Russia than it is about police militarization and never ending wars, which is ridiculous to me. The government has been stripping our rights and solidifying their power for decades (centuries?), but that gets ignored because it doesn't get the ratings or the clicks. It's fucking ridiculous. CNN, Trump, Fox, and Hillary are all pieces of shit because they've all allowed/created the massive government powers that destroy our rights as American citizens.
n/a flyinghighernow 2017-06-28
This is hilarious. The last dying gasp of a reactionary regime. Pure Republican propaganda that means nothing but trying to crush those who don't perfectly comply with the Republican Oligarchy.
Fact one: James O'Keefe is paid six figures a year by Republican oligarchs to make deceptive videos to discredit political "enemies" and specifically by the Donald Trump campaign, the oligarch Robert Mercer and his outlet Breitbart, and the Koch brothers and their Donors' Trust Dark Money organization.
Fact two: James O'Keefe's political "enemies" are Democrats and only Democrats or their supporters.
Fact three: James O'Keefe got into legal trouble and political trouble for faking a video about Acorn and misleading people about Planned PArenthood.
Fact four: James O'Keefe has been a highly paid political infiltrator of CNN for years now.
Fact five: Donald Trump supporters consist of a large pluraity of the population -- possibly as many as one in three.
Fact six: CNN is a large company with thousands of employees.
Fact seven: given probability and enough time, James O'Keefe was bound to find a Donald Trump supporter working at CNN.
NOTHINGBURGER.
And what are we supposed to learn from this? We are supposed to learn something we already know -- that CNN is bad. One great form of propaganda is to deliver something to "prove" their beliefs -- then to use that to distract from reality.
Reality is:
James O'Keefe supports the Current Government in Power -- something that we haven't seen here at Conspiracy until recently. James O'Keefe masks his well-paid support for Republicans in scandal and subterfuge. The real reason that James O'Keefe supports Republicans (aside from his six figure paycheck) is because he wants MORE REPUBLICAN POLICIES.
And that's what is missing from these games of finger-pointing and corruption ...
Republican policy is to end Medicare, Medicaid, all regulation, sell of the United States to unaccountable oligarchs, fully privatize and monopolize the internet, etc.
In other words, Republicans want to take us back to the societal structure of the 1800's. This is the end game.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
So the election was "hacked" by weaponizing information?
n/a The_Veracity_Sector 2017-06-28
You mean like this?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
1488 are you for real?
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
So the election was "hacked" by weaponizing information?
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
Oh it sounds interesting does it?
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
Is McCain a Republican Oligarch? Im curious because most of the funding for Clinton Global Initiative went to his Foundation after CGI went down.
n/a Its-Space_time 2017-06-28
None of those things that you said are facts.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
LOL so you really think the "left" is "done".
You think those people are going to vote for Trump in 2020 or what?
What exactly does that mean, "your time is over". The left just got done with 8 years of a president beloved around the world. Republicans are the ones with Trump as their face.
n/a XDiabolusExMachinaX 2017-06-28
What about Hillary Clinton, you know the woman not president of the U.S?
n/a HideFoundHide 2017-06-28
We weren't talking about Trump - even though SA is a destabilizer in the region, the Trump deal was done in public, not secret emails. There's no relevance besides your obfuscation.
We were talking about spying. You implied that noting the Israeli spying operations was anti-semitic wherein I responded with criticisms of SA (simply showing criticisms exist not just for Israel).
This was in response to you claiming some kind of existential spying threat from Russia.
Try to stay on track.
n/a TokyoVardy 2017-06-28
The left projects
Its what they do.
Liberals are hypocrites