Why is it "muh Russia" instead of "muh Israel"? One could easily argue that Israel's Zionist lobby is the actual problem facing the American political establishment, and the disenfranchisement of the people in this country.

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Removed. Rule 12.

lol

Yeah, sorry about that. Just getting trigger happy in the report queue I guess.

I don't even know which comment got deleted.

Israel is the asshole of the world

Not even close to Wall Street or the City of London that control them.

You mean the Rothschilds and the rest of the Sabbatean-Frankists? Zionists don't take orders from the goy.

No, they take orders from something older.

Yes they're trying to bring the messiah by turning the world evil, according to prophecy/Talmud.

Israel is the asshole of the world

Anuses are necessary for life. Apartheid states that are known sponsors of terror are not.

Soooo we shouldn't insult anuses?

It should be both.

But Israel is the US nuclear weapons platform in the Middle East, as well as a political cash cow, so a militarist empire isn't going to piss on their largest military base.

It shouldn't be Russia. Not even close.

If you want another shitty country interfering with us, look at Turkey.

It shouldn't be Russia.

An overwhelming amount of evidence says otherwise.

Not only the direct attacks on the US election system but also the invasion of Ukraine as well as the invasion and occupation of Crimea.

look at Turkey.

Erdogan is a malevolent state actor which should be marginalized and heavily sanction.

When the current US Administration is deeply compromised on both Russia and Turkey, the United States has joined with both Putin and Erdogan as a rogue state.

An overwhelming amount of evidence says otherwise.

You mean the evidence claimed by the chorus of well practiced bullshitters who have a stake in the game?

You mean the evidence claimed by the chorus of well practiced bullshitters who have a stake in the game?

As opposed to the overwhelming number of people who have admitted they lied about connections to Putin and Russian financing?

Russian oligarchs finance the Trump organization. This is a known fact admitted by both Eric and Donny Jr. Trump.

Can't blame Russia, actually.

Russia invaded a sovereign country and continue to occupy a sovereign country. Russia, Putin specifically, is to blame.

The real enemy of us, Americans, is people like you.

I am as critical of Trump and the US imperial aspirations as I am of Putin's oligarchy. But I understand that you have run of option for the Putin apologia, so this is the only line you have left.

The problem is autocratic rulers like Trump, Putin, Erdogan as well as oligarchs like House Rothschild and House Saud.

Your "tireless" attention is misguided as well as ignorant.

Russian oligarchs finance the Trump organization. This is a known fact admitted by both Eric and Donny Jr. Trump.

Not granular enough. Russia has competing factions, just like the US.

These oligarchs are mostly Western aligned oligarchs. The same ones that Putin hung out to dry when he nationalized the industries that were bought up with CIA drug money after the fall of the USSR.

By lumping Putin in with the CIA-backed oligarchs, you are attacking one of the few world leaders who is a genuine humanist.

one of the few world leaders who is a genuine humanist.

Wow. Putin is a midget with allusions of grandeur financed by blood money. He is almost as much of a cartoon as Trump.

Putin is a piece of shit like Erdogan, Netanyahu, House Saud and the other oligarchs currently looting the world. The only difference with Trump is that he is a poser who would never be allowed in their club.

the invasion of Ukraine as well as the invasion and occupation of Crimea

The United States funded a color revolution of the democratically-elected government, and installed Neo Nazis, some with continuity of leadership back to WWII Nazi collaborators. And you think Putin is a bad guy because he opposed this?

Putin is a bad guy

Putin is a bad guy.

He is a closeted, little midget with short man syndrome.

The people of Ukraine shouldn't have to pay for his attempts to act macho.

You mean the people of Ukraine shouldn't have to pay for the West's attempt at a takeover of the country?

The "invasion" of Crimea left maybe 5 people dead, with 90%+ of people in favor of secession to Russia. That's aside from the fact that the "invasion" was Russia's legal right to secure Russian military interests that existed there before all this bullshit started.

But go ahead, keep arguing that the people of the Donbass region don't matter and that it's the Ukrainian Proxy State's right to bomb them to pieces because the U.S. State Department says all the civilians of Donbass are terrorists.

Wait wait - Israel is a political "cash cow" for the United States??!?!!? BAHAHAHAHAHHHA!!!! 😆😂😭 That's Hilarious!!

Seriously though, no single country has caused more direct and indirect harm to the United States and her Freedoms than that little Rothschild creation occupying Palestine. Shall we go through a few?

Murdering the crew of the USS LIBERTY? Lying to us about pursuing Nukes and then Killing JFK? Blackmailing LBJ? 9-11? Bulldozing an American citizen who tried to stop their illegal genocide? The entire world condemns Israel's Warcrimes and crimes against humanity and somehow they are a "political cash cow"?

How about the zionist's Freedom killing bills at home:
Patriot Act
Freedom Act
CISPA, SOPA
TSA
Dept. Homeland Security

How about the Zionist neocons who formed a strike-first foreign policy?
How about the Israeli spies stealing our intelligence and selling it to China and Russia?

A "political cash cow"????

Looks like it's time for a new fake name and try again.

Israel is a political "cash cow" for the United States

I didn't say for the United States. I said: "a political cash cow".

Politicians in the US are not the US and rarely if ever have the interests of the US in mind.

Israel and the Israeli fetishism is the basis of the US Republican Party. This is why Israel is a "a political cash cow" and will remain so as long as religious superstition is the sole guide of the Republican Party.

You may want to temper your over-the-top reactions with a bit of reading comprehension.

I'll only give this one response because I made my point.

You may want to brush up on your ability to express yourself with clarity.

But Israel is the US nuclear weapons platform in the Middle East, as well as a political cash cow,

Specifying that Israel is the US nuke platform and then using the connection "as well as" implies you are still referring to Israel in terms of its relation to the U.S..

If you want some help rewriting that it would look like this: But Israel is the US nuclear weapons platform in the Middle East, as well as a republican political cash cow...

"A" implies generally at all times - which my comment addressed.
"Republican" specifies what you say you intended, but failed to write out originally.

My original comment stands, and I'll add this:
"Political currency" means the level of your reputation with THE PEOPLE. That phrase is NEVER used with the implication of gaining support from a corrupt group of hidden money-funnelers like wall street.

Politicians don't bow to Israel to gain political currency - they do it to win favors from one of the most corrupt and subversive groups in America.

And lastly - your assertion that Israel,worship is a right wing thing is a joke. Most Israeli supporting Jews are on the left. The right AND left bow to Israel, which decimates your final thought that Israel is OUR military base in the Middle East. You don't bow to your own creation.

Israel is a Rothschild creation. Not an American one.
Dipshit.

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Israel didn't kill JFK. Bush Sr. was running the crew, and hit was ordered by the Queen. The same one in bed with the Rothschilds through the House of Marlborough.

Uh huh sure.

Event recorded by the Jew ibrahim Zapruder, just like the Jews who were in place and ready to film BEFORE the towers became the first ever mega steel structures to collapse in world history.

Israel wanted Nukes. JFK opposed strongly - a Jew recorded his assassination. A Mossad-married Jew was the mistress of LBJ. THE Bush neocon foreign policy was formulated by zionists and dual citizens of Israel.

Fuck outta here buddy.

Fuck outta here buddy.

You don't even have an internally consistent story and you're offended by what I said?

Is it the Rothschilds?

Is it Israel?

It is Jews?

Mossad?

Get your story straight before you get hostile.

Torah Jews. (Own, separate group)

Fake/Talmudic/Atheistic Jews -> Rothschilds -> Israeli Government -> Mossad.

Unfortunately Torah Jews have far less influence in the world and so in a conspiracy sub, the generic term "Jews" should not be misconstrued with true believing, TORAH Jews - who pose no threat whatsoever.

I have it straight.
Do you?

Next time say occultists. Language matters.

But I mean fake evil Jews.

Can you stop distracting from the root problem, Jew?

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Because it is not really about foreign actors controlling our institutions, it is about priming public opinion for future foreign policy confrontations.

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Uhm we've been going to war for Zionist Israel for decades now, so it is about controlling institutions too.

You are correct, and it is a serious problem. However, the current hysteria is not really about interference. That is just a cover.

Ahh true that, I'm out of context. Cheers.

Uhm we've been going to war for Zionist Israel for decades now, so it is about controlling institutions too.

I think you misunderstood them. Media is saying "Russia Russia Russia" now to get us ready for conflict with Russia. They're not doing the same for Israel or any other country that exerts influence over our government because they're not "priming public opinion" toward a future conflict with those countries.

I think we all know why. While I do support the theory of the Russian connection(how can you not at least see the smoke with Manafort?) the influence Israel has on us and the world is ridiculous.

Or muh Saudi Arabia

Or muh china

Or muh U.K.

Or muh EU

Or really any country with resources to spare. I'd add that they'd also need something to gain, but fucking everyone has something to gain by influencing US elections.

Anti-Semitism.

Only one team is in bed with Russia, both are in bed with Israel.

You're on the right track. Israel tends to have goals that are generally aligned with the elites that are destroying America. The problem is when you jump from this observation to the conclusion that Israel is therefore running America.

The reality is, Israel is under the control of the same people, what Caroll Quigley called the Anglo American Establishment.

Russia, for the most part, is not. Which is whey they are suddenly a worse boogeyman in US politics than the USSR during the Cold War.

true, upvoted

zionists are nutjobs, judaism is a religion not a race

israel is a country not a race or religion

zion is a religious fantasy fanatics use to justify theft of land and outright murder

any american who thinks they can be allied with a zionist is a naive stooge, jewish or otherwise

they would watch america burn the second we were no longer useful to them

the biggest problem in the united states besides our vote tabulation is rigged, is that foreign powers are using the holes in our campaign laws and tax laws to buy our political system at a very cheap price

while russia and israel argue over what our congress should do and who our president should bomb, the people in flint can't have a public service that has been standard for a hundred years.

pretty bad situation, anyone not pointing this out is in on it

they would watch america burn the second we were no longer useful to them

This is true. Bibi has already declared that China and Israel are "perfect partners".

ITT: /u/Spiel_Foss getting paid.

George Soros pays much better than Putin.

The Russia thing is fake. The Israel one is real. Thats why.

If FOX or MSNBC or CNN were real, they would be blasting a red alert about Zionists, under the guise of being Jewish, have infiltrated our country and are trying to bankrupt the whole country.

Nope. These paid shills are owned by Israel. Also, authentic Jews are protesting against Zion for hijacking their religion. The Zionists screwed over everyone and got caught with their pants down.

Also, authentic Jews are protesting against Zion for hijacking their religion

Zionism is almost completely secular in nature. It is a movement of cultural Jews that have a strong affinity for Jews that are also highly observant. Bit Zionism is almost completely atheistic in its conception.

Interesting, but I don't agree with your statement that it is idiotic to conflate anti-semitism to anti-zionism. Conflating it makes perfect sense.

If you are anti-zionist, you are against Jews having a state for themselves. Considering the persecution and death Jews have faced over the last 100 years, I can certainly see how the two terms are linked. Denying a homeland for the Jews would certainly lead to their continued persecution and death.

You are a Zionist, clearly, and you are using the typical talking points.

To be a zionist is to be in favor genocide and ethnic cleansing. You haven't got fuck all of an idea as to what my background is, nor what my moral standing is in these matters. I might be Jewish for all you know.

But the issue of your political and cultural propensities is very much at issue, and people like you need to be carefully isolated from the group, and handled (rhetorically) accordingly. You do not believe in democracy, you do not believe in the equality of people, your basis of political thought is genetically driven and therefore unacceptably racist. The list could go on and on, and you know it.

And, once again: Anti-semitism is not anti-Zionism.

That is your definition of Zionism. That is not the actual definition.

That is your definition of Zionism. That is not the actual definition.

The book definition of anything is usually bullshit. Look at the facts on the ground. Uncle Noam has taught us that you need to analyze the institutional behavior to understand what the actual purpose of that institution is.

There are perhaps 2-3000 true liberals in Israel. Everyone else is a right wing reactionary with a fascistic mindset. Within that country, the actual fact that there are debates regarding the political rights of the Arab Israelis is prima facie evidence of this supremacism, a natural consequence of Zionist ideology.

Judaism depends too much on genetic markers to not be considered a supremacist in-group.

Huh... I was just thinking it would be nice to have an Isreali Jew or a homeland Russian to weigh in on this topic.

Removed. Rule 4. First warning.

Better question. Why do we allow concern trolling on this subreddit.

One could easily argue. doesn't. reported

Because the Zionist who are fucking us over do not want to point out the fact that they are fucking us over.

breathing a word about the zionists gets you banned suuuuper fast on reddit

"muh Russia" is a t_d to mock a person without actually providing a rebuttal.

Alex Jones touched on the issue today. I was surprised and happy :-) https://youtu.be/luXQqmF72Hs?t=7496

Oliver Stone brought it up during his appearance on the Colbert Show, and that section got censored.

So, basically, we've got a very American Pravda running the so-called resistance to Donald Trump. Proud Bernie-Bro here, and I dislike the Trumpanzees with the intensity of a thousand suns, but I feel that this is a far bigger issue than having a vulgarian as the chief executive.

Why doesn't anyone just say, "Muh establishment elite"? As it doesn't include as many innocent people.

How about, "Muh Establishment Elite"?

Because OP got most of it right and khazars don't like Slavs and vice versa

21 Trillion in debt and we still funnel them money. Makes perfect sense. /s

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An overwhelming amount of evidence says otherwise.

You mean the evidence claimed by the chorus of well practiced bullshitters who have a stake in the game?

Israel is a political "cash cow" for the United States

I didn't say for the United States. I said: "a political cash cow".

Politicians in the US are not the US and rarely if ever have the interests of the US in mind.

Israel and the Israeli fetishism is the basis of the US Republican Party. This is why Israel is a "a political cash cow" and will remain so as long as religious superstition is the sole guide of the Republican Party.

You may want to temper your over-the-top reactions with a bit of reading comprehension.

Israel didn't kill JFK. Bush Sr. was running the crew, and hit was ordered by the Queen. The same one in bed with the Rothschilds through the House of Marlborough.

the invasion of Ukraine as well as the invasion and occupation of Crimea

The United States funded a color revolution of the democratically-elected government, and installed Neo Nazis, some with continuity of leadership back to WWII Nazi collaborators. And you think Putin is a bad guy because he opposed this?

Uhm we've been going to war for Zionist Israel for decades now, so it is about controlling institutions too.