If you replace the words 'The Lord' with 'Satan' in the Book of Deuteronomy, which is the fifth book of the Christian Old Testament and Torah, it eerily makes sense.
You'd be changing God's word to fit a different narrative. The Bible was written as God's word. Changing it is actually what Satan does, it's how he deceives people into denying God, that's all your doing here.
I have enough faith in me to know that there is an all knowing, all powerful God, I just don't think we should be following any books that were written by Human beings, Jesus Christ being the exception but Jesus Christ did not write the bible. I think we would all be better off following only Christs words.
Religion is the end of love and honesty, the beginning of confusion; faith is a colorful hope or fear, the origin of folly. ~ Tao Te Ching
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... we need believing people. ~ Adolf Hitler
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. ~ Nietzsche
Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of awesome mystical power. We know this because they manage to be invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them. ~ Steve Eley
Faith is belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. ~ Ambrose Bierce
To use the term blind faith, is to use an adjective needlessly. ~ Julian Ruck
Christ said that the old testament was spoken by him. So if we follow Christ's words, we have to believe that the old testament was spoken by God.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17)
But a touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. (Matthew 22:31-32)
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:45-47)
I believe in Christs commandments, 'Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.' There is too many stories in the Bible that are there to confuse. Jesus' words should be the basis for humanity but I believe there are evil forces at work in this world trying to make the human race forget that we all are actually working towards a common goal and that the bottom line is no matter how many physical differences there are between us we are all biologically the same.
Those laws were both given in the old testament. To love the LORD thy God is the first of the ten commandments in Exodus 20. Love thy neighbor as thyself is from Leviticus 19. Those laws, while perfect, aren't much of a guide when there are people that think raping children is love. You can't just say "love, love, love" and expect everything to work out because the wicked and depraved have a distorted view of what love is. The rest of the Bible is needed in order to instruct one on how to love God and how to love one's neighbor.
It doesn't matter if we're biologically the same (which the Bible teaches we are, as it is written, God has made of one blood all nations of the earth), it matters whether we're spiritually the same. It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing. What fellowship hath Christ with Belial? One of the purposes of the Bible is to be a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. If you throw it away, you are going to be blind to the truth. Unable to discern that which is good from that which is evil.
No there's not a bunch of God's that are actually nice. You have no understanding of the Old Testament or the New. You want to talk about God and Satan but you know nothing about either of them.
And how exactly do you know my understanding of the bible, faith right. lol
I know that your god killed everyone on earth but noah and friends. for some stupid reason that didn't change anything.
I know that your god killed all the first born in egypt . . . really? all those bad babies!
What did satan do, oh yeah, offered jesus food and water when jesus was starving himself. OMG how evil is offering water to a thirsty man?!?!
I know your god killed a bunch of children for making fun of a bald man. So loving your god is.
You say your god is all powerful. If I had much more food and water than I could ever use, and I walked past a starving baby and did not give the baby food, What would you think of me. Your god does that thousands of times daily.
I don't miss god at all, but I sure miss santa claus.
I'm not religious but I have day dreamed theories that God was actually a dick and satan was like "Your an asshole. Im'a make my own heaven and not flood the planet everytime I chip a nail"
Then God was like "Shit everyone will want to go to his heaven, quick, start a propaganda campaign and tell everyone his heaven is on fire and it smell's like fish"
But God is the mainstream religion. What if satan was demonized to protect God's evil reign over man? Satan is a banished fallen angel (declared such by God himself by the way) thats why he can't help with world hunger and such. God was able to defeat satan - though not able to destroy him entirely - so he instead banishes him to another plane, where satan is unable to help save mankind from the tyrant God and his elitist minions. Jesus was the son of satan, imbued with some of satans power (as satan was banished therefore unable to directly affect events) and sent to save us from materialism that is what are world is based on. Jesus, whilst successful in a sense, ultimately failed because the teachings were ignored, interpreted wrongly and Government/Capitalism became the new God.
1) Since I have started following the bible my life is 2000000 times better.
2) God has standards. Satan doesn't. Standards usually mean you love someone. I have standards for my students, and I will for my future children. I have standards in relationships. God has loving standards for us. Satan does not.
3) Jesus is real. Jesus explains how to reach God. God is NOT Satan and Satan cannot be a God.
4) Look at our society right now. It is satanic and gross and only going to get worse.
2) But what standards does God have for himself? To follow the standards of a being with no standards is a potential disaster
3)Proof? (Not that a guy called jesus - preaching the new testament existed, but that he was the son of God). But in my day dream theory Jesus came from satan; Therefore he was preaching about how to reach the fallen angel as he himself could not communicate.
4) Yes and God is mainstream, Satan is considered evil. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Perhaps God is a wolf in sheeps clothing and misleads you into chaos under the pretense of order (similar to the elitists funnily enough) whereas satan is seen as chaos but maybe he offers freedom and justice.
I agree it is gross though. A world of Materialism, Greed, Destruction of nature, Celebritys, fake tans and liquorice allsorts
2) But what standards does God have for himself? To follow the standards of a being with no standards is a potential disaster
Everything you need to know is in the bible.
3)Proof? (Not that a guy called jesus - preaching the new testament- existed, but that he was the son of God). But in my day dream theory Jesus came from satan; Therefore he was preaching about how to reach the fallen angel as he himself could not communicate.
Research historicity of Jesus.
4) Yes and God is mainstream, Satan is considered evil. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Perhaps God is a wolf in sheeps clothing and misleads you into chaos under the pretense of order (similar to the elitists funnily enough) whereas satan is seen as chaos but maybe he offers freedom and justice.
I dislike Satan's ways. It's a trap.
I agree it is gross though. A world of Materialism, Greed, Destruction of nature, Celebritys, fake tans and liquorice allsorts
1) We should neither deny them, nor hold them as truths.
2) I have read the bible multiple times. The God displayed is volatile, unpredictable and above his own sacred laws (Also able to suspend the laws for others). Then a messenger is sent to offer a different version of the OT God, One of forgiveness, compassion and acceptance. That fits into my day dream satan theory as the two Gods are different.
3)Again I am looking for proof he was the Son of God not that he existed as a person. There are many prophets of jesus' stature in other religions who I am sure existed aswell.
4) But what if Satans ways were Gods ways and Gods ways were Satans ways? What if the fallen angel is to bring about the rapture and save the world from God who has grown hateful and evil?
2) I have read the bible multiple times. The God displayed is volatile, unpredictable and above his own sacred laws (Also able to suspend the laws for others). Then a messenger is sent to offer a different version of the OT God, One of forgiveness, compassion and acceptance. That fits into my day dream satan theory as the two Gods are different.
I used to think that too.
3)Again I am looking for proof he was the Son of God not that he existed as a person. There are many prophets of jesus' stature in other religions who I am sure existed aswell.
Ask and pray. In my entire life I never actually God and then WHEN I did he showed me the truth.
4) But what if Satans ways were Gods ways and Gods ways were Satans ways? What if the fallen angel is to bring about the rapture and save the world from God who has grown hateful and evil?
2) I'm not religious anymore so I don't do much praying. (Actually Met God?). Even when I was religious God didn't show me much, I think I just enjoyed the debates after a while, then I divested myself of those aswell.
3) And so ends the ever branching trains of thought.
2) I'm not religious anymore so I don't do much praying. (Actually Met God?). Even when I was religious God didn't show me much, I think I just enjoyed the debates after a while, then I divested myself of those aswell.
Try again.
3) And so ends the ever branching trains of thought
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1) 10% of voters weren't impressed :). I personally found it very interesting and well written. Though I possess none of those traits, I apologise on behalf of my gender. I found it strange how often the mental and emotional side of your story, when seperated from the religious aspects, runs parallel to mine despite us coming from very different backgrounds, though I won't get into specifics.
I can relate to finding religion when in bad circumstances. I became religious at one of my lowest points (Though I'm sure there is room for more ); A few years later though I lost my faith I guess you could say. I wasn't from a religious background at all - nor was I surrounded by it, but it can be comforting to convince yourself, and truely believe, there is a purpose and a shield beside you (Plus some of the hymns were fun to sing).
This was one of my favourite religious pieces back then, though it isn't from the bible...
One night I dreamed a dream.
As I was walking along the beach with my Lord.
Across the dark sky flashed scenes from my life.
For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand,
One belonging to me and one to my Lord.
After the last scene of my life flashed before me,
I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
I noticed that at many times along the path of my life,
especially at the very lowest and saddest times,
there was only one set of footprints.
This really troubled me, so I asked the Lord about it.
"Lord, you said once I decided to follow you,
You'd walk with me all the way.
But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life,
there was only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me."
He whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you
Never, ever, during your trials and testings.
When you saw only one set of footprints,
It was then that I carried you."
There was also a man in the paper who worked undercover to rescue sex trafficking victims who got his courage from God. I thought that was pretty inspiring.
I felt bad reading the rough parts but I'm glad you consider it a strength now.
2) I don't know lol, I wandered away from the path of God a long time ago in most aspects of life, might be best to call it a day on this little lamb.
3) Well I thought for a second that we bonded over our dislike of allsorts but maybe I jumped the gun.
1) 10% of voters weren't impressed :). I personally found it very interesting and well written. Though I possess none of those traits, I apologise on behalf of my gender. I found it strange how often the mental and emotional side of your story, when seperated from the religious aspects, runs parallel to mine despite us coming from very different backgrounds, though I won't get into specifics.
10% isn't bad. That means 90 percent did like it!
I can relate to finding religion when in bad circumstances. I became religious at one of my lowest points (Though I'm sure there is room for more ); A few years later though I lost my faith I guess you could say. I wasn't from a religious background at all - nor was I surrounded by it, but it can be comforting to convince yourself, and truely believe, there is a purpose and a shield beside you (Plus some of the hymns were fun to sing).
This was one of my favourite religious pieces back then, though it isn't from the bible...
One night I dreamed a dream.
As I was walking along the beach with my Lord.
Across the dark sky flashed scenes from my life.
For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand,
One belonging to me and one to my Lord.
After the last scene of my life flashed before me,
I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
I noticed that at many times along the path of my life,
especially at the very lowest and saddest times,
there was only one set of footprints.
This really troubled me, so I asked the Lord about it.
"Lord, you said once I decided to follow you,
You'd walk with me all the way.
But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life,
there was only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me."
He whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you
Never, ever, during your trials and testings.
When you saw only one set of footprints,
It was then that I carried you"
I love that story : )
There was also a man in the paper who worked undercover to rescue sex trafficking victims who got his courage from God. I thought that was pretty inspiring.
I felt bad reading the rough parts but I'm glad you consider it a strength now.
2) I don't know lol, I wandered away from the path of God a long time ago in most aspects of life, might be best to call it a day on this little lamb.
What made you wander?
3) Well I thought for a second that we bonded over our dislike of allsorts but maybe I jumped the gun.
Yeah it was a cool poem. It has a nice but cheesy origin aswell.
What made you wander?
Life.
Seems like we are bonding!
You still haven't been very clear on where you stand regarding liquorice allsorts. I could never in good conscious "Bond" with someone who like allsorts.
Looks like a pep talk for war. A bit later, moses says "we should go into that country over there, take everything, call it Israel, and kill anyone who disagrees, because God just told me that it's OK!"
Majority of the bible is how to be an obedient servant and fight for your monarch king on earth (because he has been ordained as a ruler by G). The Bible is the literal propaganda that was used by the ruling elites to justify their place as rulers for the past 1500 years. They need to re-write it to be more effectual propaganda for the post-democracy capitalist modern slave to relate to.
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n/a HibikiSS 2017-07-06
Jews don't worship a single evil deity, it may be Saturn, Moloch Baal, Baphomet, Satan depending on the organization and the rank in freemasonry.
n/a wildfireonvenus 2017-07-06
You'd be changing God's word to fit a different narrative. The Bible was written as God's word. Changing it is actually what Satan does, it's how he deceives people into denying God, that's all your doing here.
n/a StrongerTogether1 2017-07-06
I have enough faith in me to know that there is an all knowing, all powerful God, I just don't think we should be following any books that were written by Human beings, Jesus Christ being the exception but Jesus Christ did not write the bible. I think we would all be better off following only Christs words.
n/a dreamslaughter 2017-07-06
Religion is the end of love and honesty, the beginning of confusion; faith is a colorful hope or fear, the origin of folly. ~ Tao Te Ching
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... we need believing people. ~ Adolf Hitler
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. ~ Nietzsche
Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of awesome mystical power. We know this because they manage to be invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them. ~ Steve Eley
Faith is belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. ~ Ambrose Bierce
To use the term blind faith, is to use an adjective needlessly. ~ Julian Ruck
n/a effinmike12 2017-07-06
Christ quotes the Torah on several occasions.
n/a Abram1769 2017-07-06
Christ said that the old testament was spoken by him. So if we follow Christ's words, we have to believe that the old testament was spoken by God.
n/a StrongerTogether1 2017-07-06
I believe in Christs commandments, 'Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.' There is too many stories in the Bible that are there to confuse. Jesus' words should be the basis for humanity but I believe there are evil forces at work in this world trying to make the human race forget that we all are actually working towards a common goal and that the bottom line is no matter how many physical differences there are between us we are all biologically the same.
n/a Abram1769 2017-07-06
Those laws were both given in the old testament. To love the LORD thy God is the first of the ten commandments in Exodus 20. Love thy neighbor as thyself is from Leviticus 19. Those laws, while perfect, aren't much of a guide when there are people that think raping children is love. You can't just say "love, love, love" and expect everything to work out because the wicked and depraved have a distorted view of what love is. The rest of the Bible is needed in order to instruct one on how to love God and how to love one's neighbor.
It doesn't matter if we're biologically the same (which the Bible teaches we are, as it is written, God has made of one blood all nations of the earth), it matters whether we're spiritually the same. It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing. What fellowship hath Christ with Belial? One of the purposes of the Bible is to be a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. If you throw it away, you are going to be blind to the truth. Unable to discern that which is good from that which is evil.
n/a dreamslaughter 2017-07-06
If you look at the evil satan did and compare it with what evil god has done, your god is much more evil than your satan.
Could never figure out why christians chose to worship an evil god. There are a bunch of gods that are actually nice.
n/a wildfireonvenus 2017-07-06
No there's not a bunch of God's that are actually nice. You have no understanding of the Old Testament or the New. You want to talk about God and Satan but you know nothing about either of them.
n/a dreamslaughter 2017-07-06
And how exactly do you know my understanding of the bible, faith right. lol
I know that your god killed everyone on earth but noah and friends. for some stupid reason that didn't change anything.
I know that your god killed all the first born in egypt . . . really? all those bad babies!
What did satan do, oh yeah, offered jesus food and water when jesus was starving himself. OMG how evil is offering water to a thirsty man?!?!
I know your god killed a bunch of children for making fun of a bald man. So loving your god is.
You say your god is all powerful. If I had much more food and water than I could ever use, and I walked past a starving baby and did not give the baby food, What would you think of me. Your god does that thousands of times daily.
I don't miss god at all, but I sure miss santa claus.
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n/a wildfireonvenus 2017-07-06
I know you have no understanding of the bible because your comments are complete nonsense.
n/a dreamslaughter 2017-07-06
Sorry, you will have to be more specific about why my comments are nonsense.
You are not talking about what I am saying. You are just insulting me.
That is a sure sigh of losing a discussion.
n/a Billsucksass 2017-07-06
Oh great Satan save me from my enemies!
I'm not religious but I have day dreamed theories that God was actually a dick and satan was like "Your an asshole. Im'a make my own heaven and not flood the planet everytime I chip a nail"
Then God was like "Shit everyone will want to go to his heaven, quick, start a propaganda campaign and tell everyone his heaven is on fire and it smell's like fish"
n/a dreamslaughter 2017-07-06
Thanks for the laugh.
n/a polkadotgirl 2017-07-06
But that's what Satan wants you to think - that he is the good guy.
That's essentially the element of secret societies.
n/a Billsucksass 2017-07-06
But God is the mainstream religion. What if satan was demonized to protect God's evil reign over man? Satan is a banished fallen angel (declared such by God himself by the way) thats why he can't help with world hunger and such. God was able to defeat satan - though not able to destroy him entirely - so he instead banishes him to another plane, where satan is unable to help save mankind from the tyrant God and his elitist minions. Jesus was the son of satan, imbued with some of satans power (as satan was banished therefore unable to directly affect events) and sent to save us from materialism that is what are world is based on. Jesus, whilst successful in a sense, ultimately failed because the teachings were ignored, interpreted wrongly and Government/Capitalism became the new God.
n/a polkadotgirl 2017-07-06
You know how I know God is the right choice?
1) Since I have started following the bible my life is 2000000 times better.
2) God has standards. Satan doesn't. Standards usually mean you love someone. I have standards for my students, and I will for my future children. I have standards in relationships. God has loving standards for us. Satan does not.
3) Jesus is real. Jesus explains how to reach God. God is NOT Satan and Satan cannot be a God.
4) Look at our society right now. It is satanic and gross and only going to get worse.
n/a Billsucksass 2017-07-06
1) Subjective experience
2) But what standards does God have for himself? To follow the standards of a being with no standards is a potential disaster
3)Proof? (Not that a guy called jesus - preaching the new testament existed, but that he was the son of God). But in my day dream theory Jesus came from satan; Therefore he was preaching about how to reach the fallen angel as he himself could not communicate.
4) Yes and God is mainstream, Satan is considered evil. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Perhaps God is a wolf in sheeps clothing and misleads you into chaos under the pretense of order (similar to the elitists funnily enough) whereas satan is seen as chaos but maybe he offers freedom and justice.
I agree it is gross though. A world of Materialism, Greed, Destruction of nature, Celebritys, fake tans and liquorice allsorts
n/a polkadotgirl 2017-07-06
Should we deny all subjective experiences?
Everything you need to know is in the bible.
Research historicity of Jesus.
I dislike Satan's ways. It's a trap.
Yeah we can agree here.
n/a Billsucksass 2017-07-06
1) We should neither deny them, nor hold them as truths.
2) I have read the bible multiple times. The God displayed is volatile, unpredictable and above his own sacred laws (Also able to suspend the laws for others). Then a messenger is sent to offer a different version of the OT God, One of forgiveness, compassion and acceptance. That fits into my day dream satan theory as the two Gods are different.
3)Again I am looking for proof he was the Son of God not that he existed as a person. There are many prophets of jesus' stature in other religions who I am sure existed aswell.
4) But what if Satans ways were Gods ways and Gods ways were Satans ways? What if the fallen angel is to bring about the rapture and save the world from God who has grown hateful and evil?
5)Not a fan of allsorts either?
n/a polkadotgirl 2017-07-06
I used to think that too.
Ask and pray. In my entire life I never actually God and then WHEN I did he showed me the truth.
Occam's razor
What?
n/a Billsucksass 2017-07-06
1) What changed your perception?
2) I'm not religious anymore so I don't do much praying. (Actually Met God?). Even when I was religious God didn't show me much, I think I just enjoyed the debates after a while, then I divested myself of those aswell.
3) And so ends the ever branching trains of thought.
4) Nevermind, I thought we had a bonding moment.
n/a polkadotgirl 2017-07-06
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/6k80xn/from_antitheist_to_christian_an_unlikely_story_of
There is my story.
Try again.
:)
Almost! I mean I feel we are.
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n/a Billsucksass 2017-07-06
1) 10% of voters weren't impressed :). I personally found it very interesting and well written. Though I possess none of those traits, I apologise on behalf of my gender. I found it strange how often the mental and emotional side of your story, when seperated from the religious aspects, runs parallel to mine despite us coming from very different backgrounds, though I won't get into specifics.
I can relate to finding religion when in bad circumstances. I became religious at one of my lowest points (Though I'm sure there is room for more ); A few years later though I lost my faith I guess you could say. I wasn't from a religious background at all - nor was I surrounded by it, but it can be comforting to convince yourself, and truely believe, there is a purpose and a shield beside you (Plus some of the hymns were fun to sing).
This was one of my favourite religious pieces back then, though it isn't from the bible...
This really troubled me, so I asked the Lord about it. "Lord, you said once I decided to follow you, You'd walk with me all the way. But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life, there was only one set of footprints. I don't understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me."
There was also a man in the paper who worked undercover to rescue sex trafficking victims who got his courage from God. I thought that was pretty inspiring.
I felt bad reading the rough parts but I'm glad you consider it a strength now.
2) I don't know lol, I wandered away from the path of God a long time ago in most aspects of life, might be best to call it a day on this little lamb.
3) Well I thought for a second that we bonded over our dislike of allsorts but maybe I jumped the gun.
n/a polkadotgirl 2017-07-06
10% isn't bad. That means 90 percent did like it!
I love that story : )
Seems like we are bonding!
n/a Billsucksass 2017-07-06
Yeah it was a cool poem. It has a nice but cheesy origin aswell.
Life.
You still haven't been very clear on where you stand regarding liquorice allsorts. I could never in good conscious "Bond" with someone who like allsorts.
n/a polkadotgirl 2017-07-06
They are gross!
n/a bluemetalro 2017-07-06
Looks like a pep talk for war. A bit later, moses says "we should go into that country over there, take everything, call it Israel, and kill anyone who disagrees, because God just told me that it's OK!"
n/a LurkPro3000 2017-07-06
Majority of the bible is how to be an obedient servant and fight for your monarch king on earth (because he has been ordained as a ruler by G). The Bible is the literal propaganda that was used by the ruling elites to justify their place as rulers for the past 1500 years. They need to re-write it to be more effectual propaganda for the post-democracy capitalist modern slave to relate to.
n/a KiwiBattlerNZ 2017-07-06
Neither satan or god exist. They are both figments of over-active imaginations.