A majestic Pegasus, if you will.

Before shills attack:

Here's the video where he says he keeps his sauces and ingredients in his basement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gViN6xLxxN8

Article:

http://www.philly.com/philly/food/restaurants/20130822_San_Marzanos_vs__juicy_local_heirlooms.html

Here's the original thread of the AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5opvyd/i_was_sexually_assaulted_8_years_ago_by_the/ Here's the archived verification: http://archive.is/TYZBW And finally here's the video showing Alefantis threaten Ryan's life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZQxYQ49p0U&t=297s He goes on to prove that the number was in fact Alefantis' and that he filed a report with the FBI. Do your research.

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Here's my comment from the last time you posted this

The ama was by /u/SVMESSEFVIFVTVRVS

Here

https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5opvyd/i_was_sexually_assaulted_8_years_ago_by_the/

https://archive.is/TYZBW

https://archive.is/xtFYu

Few captures of the ama here

http://archive.is/https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5opvyd/i_was_sexually_assaulted_8_years_ago_by_the/

You forgot to mention James Alefantis supposedly also showed up in the ama.

http://archive.is/u4cXv

/u/AbortionBurger was involved in this story (and the ama thread).

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@abortionburger/victim-comes-forward-i-was-sexually-assaulted-by-james-alefantis

LARP.

Are you still running the subreddit dedicated to a historical victim of a peadophilia?

Looks in profile.

Yes. Yes, you are.

He was a victim of pederasty, pedophillia refers to attraction to prepubescent children.

And yes /r/Antinous is my sub. Would you like to request access?

No, I would not like access. Your interests disgust me.

I don't know why anyone else can't see you for what you are. You openly flaunt your interest in the sexualisation of children and only ever come out of the woodwork to defend Alefantis and friends. You are a vile human being.

You openly flaunt your interest in the sexualisation of children

This is a gross and entirely false misrepresentation.

I created the Antinous sub to serve as a reference for some materials I found in my searches, nothing more. You should read them, you might learn Antinous is not actually held in high esteem by pedophiles but is actually held in high esteem by the gay community because a Roman emperor deified (that means "made into a God") him after his death - because he loved him, not because he was a teenager.

Your interminable fascination with linking innocuous baby photos to pedophillia are more concerning than my fully sourced reasonable replies in these threads.

And I never stoop so low as to accuse users of heinous crimes as you are want to do.

It's sad that you're going to be called a shill by default because people are so entrenched in their viewpoints and "protecting morality" that they're incapable of engaging in conversation anymore. It's reassuring to see someone talk around someone in such nice concentric circles.

I remember back when the right-wing insult of choice was mocking "feels over reals," but it seems that's where all this unsubstantiated appeal to morality is going. I have yet to see one fact that connects CPP to pedophilia beyond a reasonable doubt. ONE. If that's so difficult then maybe you're wasting time drawing lines in the sand.

Rule 10 only warning.

As a classical history guy, do some research. Shit was common place then, and was not the same thing as pedophilia. The Spartan army was founded on it. It was viewed as more normal than love between a man and woman in some instances.

i learn something everyday i'm here.....thanks.

You have cancer.

How is it a LARP?

He posted his face and could be charged with slander/defamation if the accusations are false.

Why hasn't Alefantis cleared his name of these accusations?

Because the the accusations are a complete joke and don't effect his daily life?

It seems like a larp because /u/AbortionBurger was intimately involved in the AMA. There is also the question of the mysterious account called /u/JamesAlefantis which showed up shortly after the thread was created seen here http://archive.is/u4cXv

The guy never made a complaint to police therefore Alefantis has nothing to answer.

You'll also be aware /u/SVMESSEFVIFVTVRVS doesn't appear in these threads to back up your story perhaps because AbortionBurger doxxed him in her steemit article so he very possibly is afraid of being charged with libel.

Some sound logic in the link you posted

First off, a screenshot with someone's face is not proof of anything. It's a proof that he is a human, and that he controls the reddit account. It doesn't prove he worked at CPP, it doesn't prove that Alefantis sexually assaulted him. I could post a screenshot of my face and username and claim that I was raped by Jesus himself.

Secondly, you're going to have to bring way more reliable evidence than a screencap of a facebook conversation with the faces blacked out. Those are stupidly easy to fake, and we have no confirmation of anything that man is saying. Absolutely no way to verify anything independently.

I know this is a conspiracy sub and a lot of it is theory, but please have some form of standards with what you call evidence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6htwm9/reminder_james_alefantis_was_accused_of_raping_a/dj1y89j

Taken together the whole story smells a little fishy.

How did I know that I'd be tagged in this when I woke up this morning and saw this thread? Oh yeah, because you follow me around trying to discredit this story everywhere. Meanwhile, I'm still friends with the vic and his coworker on facebook and nothing at all in my pots history would suggest i'm a LARP. Beat it, Cancer.

How did I know that I'd be tagged in this when I woke up this morning and saw this thread?

Because of inbox notifications prolly.

Oh yeah, because you follow me around

I don't follow you, this post is about an event you were involved in minutes after it was posted.

trying to discredit this story everywhere.

It's hearsay.

Meanwhile, I'm still friends with the vic and his coworker on facebook

That's nice!

and nothing at all in my post history would suggest i'm a LARP.

You've been called out for it by others. There's even someone calling you out in the comments of your steemit article.

Beat it, Cancer.

No.

He posted his face and could be charged with slander/defamation if the accusations are false.

You know, if anyone actually took you wing nuts seriously

He posted his face and could be charged with slander/defamation if the accusations are false.

You know, if anyone actually took you wing nuts seriously

He posted his face and could be charged with slander/defamation if the accusations are false.

You know, if anyone actually took you wing nuts seriously

He posted his face and could be charged with slander/defamation if the accusations are false.

You know, if anyone actually took you wing nuts seriously

Don't worry about this guy's posts. He follows these threads around and continuously defames me and everyone involved. I haven't even spoken about it in months and he still calls me a LARPer.

Alefantis said Bucks fishing and camping has a basment - not Comet Ping Pong.

Last year, Alefantis estimates, he bought 12 tons of Toigo tomatoes, which Stello turned into sauce and canned before trucking the jars to the basement at Buck's Fishing & Camping, Alefantis' other restaurant nearby.

It's funny, because a year before this he said in an interview that they put the sauce in the basement. It wasn't until afternoon PG broke that WaPo decided to rerun the story with this detail added.

The article is from 2013 and as far as I can see has always referred to a basment in Buck's. It's also not a Washington Post article.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161203095705/http://www.philly.com/philly/food/restaurants/20130822_San_Marzanos_vs__juicy_local_heirlooms.html

But... but... muh pizzagate

Before shills attack:

People pointing out holes in your ideas aren't shills, they are simply people who think differently than you do.

Ahh. You again. We saw how things went last time we had a convo.

Btw there ARE shills on this sub, whether they are in this thread or not

I can second this

Which part?

Shills on this sub.

Did you stop to think that maybe those selling interviews, videos, and books about Pizzagate are shilling on this sub so as to drive demand for their products?

I have not seen reason to believe posts like this one https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cm0t3/original_research_the_mountain_of_evidence_for_a/?st=J4TYGI8Y&sh=e02c9f8f . are made to "drive demand for their product." Seems to me more like a drive to get truth out there.

That post has got nothing to do with comet ping pong.

How so? It exposes that these mass pedophilia rings DO exist and happen in the US.

Just because Jared was a pedo doesn't mean every Subway™ is a pedo trafficking point.

It appears you provided the wrong link. Can you edit in the correct one please?

Works for me 🤔

That's just a conspiracy theory

Ah great, then it's settled.

Ahh. You again. We saw how things went last time we had a convo.

Please provide a link as, and this was most likely due to how generic the conversation was, I don't remember talking to you in the past.

Yeah, and you're probably one of them. Anyone who screams about it as much as you is trying to divert attention from themselves.

Nah there really aren't. It's just filled with idiots like yourself accusing others of being shills. Like seriously this has to be one of the most shill free places on all of reddit. Why would anyone pay people to try and sway the opinions of the literal human filth that visit here daily?

On the upswing. At least their obvious mass-shilling is making it easier to identify the scripts.

This thread has been a field day for spotastrotrufing's archive team.

Two birds one stone.

Wtf part of your “evidence” is that he makes is own pizza sauce from fresh local tomatoes? You’ve clearly never worked in a restaurant because nothing about that at all is odd. We used canned Mariano’s at my work all the time. But when we can get in fresh local tomatoes for cheap guess what we make our own sauce.

Has there been any new info?

Anyone with a brain would lay low and, Comet is almost not worth investigatin. Never got much info on Besta, the one that actually had the pedo symbol

So no new info then?

Depends what you call new info. Check Voats pizzagate section for the latest. Actually. I shouldn't respond to this. You people are literally impossible to converse sensibly with.

Try me. I promise to be civil.

Workplace sexual abuse accusations that aren't followed up by law enforcement are generally spurious complaints from disgruntled or jilted employees, unless there is some credible claim or conspiracy in addition to the accusation I don't think it means much.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6htwm9/reminder_james_alefantis_was_accused_of_raping_a/dj1jebh/?context=3

I've seen a lot of workplace sexual abuse and I've never once seen the cops get involved

When it was reported to the police they didn't get involved?

Not OP, so hard to answer. But I work at a higher education institution and things like this happen from time to time. If it happens within employment (ie, and employee to another employee) it is usually swept under the rug and the accused will be sent to some sort of rehabilitation seminar.

Police usually only get involved if it has to do with students and other students, or students and faculty.

Why didn't you report it?

TDMAC14 is an expert on workplace sexual abuse.

Or it was committed by one of GQ's most powerful people in DC.

Which one is more likely, hmm

People still cite that article like it means anything?

I'm stating that the elite have their own set of rules.

Sort of like Trump and all the sexual harassment accusations against him, right? Or is that a different set of rules for you?

Ha. The ones that just magically appeared a month before the election and magically disappeared after he won? What does any of the this have to do with President Trump?

Magically appeared a month before you say....

1 Accusations filed in court against Trump

1.1 Ivana Trump (1989)
1.2 Jill Harth (1992)

3 Allegations of unwanted physical contact

3.1 Jessica Leeds (1980s)
3.2 Kristin Anderson (1990s)
3.3 Cathy Heller (1997)
3.4 Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)
3.5 Karena Virginia (1998)
3.6 Mindy McGillivray (2003)
3.7 Rachel Crooks (2005)
3.8 Natasha Stoynoff (2005)
3.9 Jessica Drake (2006)
3.10 Ninni Laaksonen (2006)
3.11 Summer Zervos (2007)
3.12 Burnett's unnamed friend (2010)
3.13 Cassandra Searles (2013)

4 Allegations of pageant dressing room visits

4.1 Miss Teen USA contestants
4.2 Bridget Sullivan (2000)
4.3 Tasha Dixon (2001)
4.4 Unnamed contestants (2001)
4.5 Samantha Holvey (2006)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

What does any of the this have to do with President Trump?

Just pointing out your hypocrisy. You think Alefantis got away with one instance of sexual harassment that was never even brought to police because of his position of power/influence. Yet for Trump the same rules seem not to apply.

You aren't pointing out hypocrisy. You are changing the subject so that we talk about Trump. I assume you get double the money if you defend your boss' ex boyfriend while at the same time saying something negative about Trump. Kudos.

Ah yes, the shill card.I never defended anyone btw.

What does any of the this have to do with President Trump?

Sounds like you wanted to carry on that conversation. Now that you got stumped you resorted to "GAW STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT". Dork.

Just look at the structure if your post. It would be more realistic if you wrote that up like a normal casual person commenting on Reddit. The shilling is getting painfully obvious. My Jesus.

Wtf....

Don't you know only shills can click the formatting help button and create visually presentable comments.

I didn't even have to. I Just copy & pasted from wiki and it formatted for me.

Removed. Rule 10. First warning.

Somehow they've worked it in their narrative that if you are researching Pedogate, Seth Rich or Wikileaks, it's pro-Trump. Now It's also Pro-Trump to be against corporations stifling free speech or questioning the MSM.

It's getting so stupid that hopefully newcomers will soon start to figure it out faster than ever before. Nobody in real life harps on with the shit these shills constantly bring up/attempt to connect.

Yeah, I was called a shill about twenty times yesterday. I'm sitting here thinking how I wish there was someone out there that paid shills to combat child trafficking and elite pedophilia and mysterious murders. The world we be a better place for it.

You're just combating the shit out of those things while preaching condescending bullshit on reddit, huh?

Thats rich. You see yourself as some kind of christian warrior? Saving kids from satans grasp?

Accusations of sexual misconduct against Trump go back to the 80's. You could say this case in the early 90's "magically disappeared", or you could say that she withdrew it in exchange fro a settlement.

One of his accusers in 2016 is still sueing him for defamation.

it is different because MAGA REEEEEEEEEEE

I would put money on James having it framed and hanging up in his home.

I would not be surprised. He got written into a listicle in a major men's magazine. That doesn't actually make him "one of the 50 most powerful people in dc" .

This is the part where I would usually point out that it was a freaking GQ article, but I guess you beat me to it.

Pizzagate was invented by GOP dirty trickster Roger Stone and advanced by Epstein cohort Mike Cernovich

https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2017/05/06/pizzagate-activist-cernovich-a-double-agent/

https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2016/12/31/roger-stone-concocted-pizzagate-for-trump/

Riiight...you apparently never saw that fucked up instagram account or read the emails yourself. I did. There is definitely real shit going down.

Actually I did see the instagram accounts. Most of the photos of the "kids" was actually of one kid, a girl, Alefantis' god daughter.

What should be alarming for you is the fact that the photo in which Pizzagaters claimed was a "chicken lovers" pederast insinuation was not. It wasn't a boy in the man's arms but a girl—again, Aelfantis' god daughter. See how they twist things?

Look up the documentary "chickenhawks" - It's an original NAMBLA documentary released years before pizzagate, which proves Alefantis knew the pedophile terminology and was referencing children.

Got an excuse for "cum panda"?

I know about chickenhawks as pederast lingo. You haven't thought about what I just told. I repeat: the child in the photo with the "chicken lovers" depiction is not a boy. It's a girl. If the man is a chicken hawk lover, it would mean he loves little boys, so why is a little girl in his arm? Makes no sense.

There's no proof that's his god daughter other than Alefantis' word. For a "truther" such as yourself you think you'd provide some proof of relation and gender (other than an interview where Alefantis says it's his god daughter) or maybe refute the actual claims in this post.

Rich coming from a group of pedo-obsessed people that have proven not even one of the major claims of Pizzagate. You have no right to ridicule others about proof. That's laughable.

Why are you defending this cunts instagram page? Whether you believe in 🍕 or not, that page is very obvious and disturbing.

Big fan of the catholic church as well by any chance?

Why do you refuse to listen to people who disagree with you and just attack them with ad hominems instead?

Hmmm, maybe the comment at the end could be described as an ad hominem, but the first part of my comment certainly could not.

Its purely semantics to go into whether the photo is of a boy or girl. An objective and rational person would simply say what the fuck is someone using pedo code in the comments of photos containing children. Many other photos posted where highly questionable as well. The subject is absolutely putrid, and I would be highly suspicious of anyone posting this kind of material.

The fact the Dr defends this disgusting shit so passionately is highly suspicious as well.

If what the photo depicts is semantics why is it presented as proof of wrongdoing further up the thread? It's only proof until something very obviously doesn't add up about the evidence then it's just "semantics." Pretty obvious your mind is made up regardless of what the evidence says.

Hmmm, was that an ad hominem attack?

I'm not talking PG, and Im not referencing further up the thread. I'm talking about the instagram page. And yes, my mind is made up in regards to this page; the evidence is there for all to see.

Why are you defending this shit?

I addressed the content of your message so no absolutely not ad hominem, I swear you people just reuse the last thing said about you to counter-accuse. You've got a great role model for that. The only thing I'm defending are logical defensible positions, which PG does not have. The evidence vanishes to the slightest scrutiny see this comment thread for more info.

Instagram is creepy but so benign its laughable. To call that "evidence" beyond rational thought. I find the witch hunt of pizzagate far more disturbing than any "evidence" I have been shown.

You should defend people who seemingly committed no crime from being harassed. Hasn't this been going on for nearly a year? How many times does a "theory" about this need to be disproven and the goal posts moved? I don't get it.

If you are so naive you find his instagram profile benign then good luck to you.

My goal is objectivity, not confirmation bias or defending people. And this should also be your goal. Why isn't it?

Provide proof it is his god daughter other than Alefantis' word.

Provide proof that Alefantis is lying.

Oooohhhhh deflection. Nice.

And this is precisely why Podesta, Alefantis, Luzatto, et al are 100% percent in their strategy to not give you greasy fuckholes the steam off of their shit.

I've watched pizzagate shitbags whine and cry for over 6 months now.... "oooohhhh, why doesn't Podesta just answer these questions? Why doesn't Alefantis just address his instagram photos?"

The answer is obvious... it's because fucktards like yourself will NEVER be satisfied with any explanation. You demand honesty from these people, while simultaneously claiming that they are the biggest liars and scumbags on the planet. What would they possibly have to gain by engaging with stupid?

The real tragedy of pizzagate is: How are you latent pedo pieces of shit ever going to get an erection again once this fades away into nothingness?

I have seen no evidence to show the girl is alive.

No word from her parents,family,teachers, doctors,friends,friends parents,neighbours,guy from the local shop,etc.

Pedogate has been seen by millions yet no one has come forward to say they recognized this child.

You're average child would have contact with hundreds of people everyday yet no one has seen her. Alenfantis may be powerful but he can't control all these people ,no way.

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.tb-REk9nrBgvBcSINZOV9gEsDD&pid=15.1

And you also have zero evidence to show anything has happened to her.

I have a picture of her tied to a table posted on an Instagram account that has lots of sexualized imagery and pedophilic references.

The same account that posts pictures of child size coffins and makes jokes about selling babies. And she has not been seen by a single person since.

Not by a single person? You know this how? She's listed as missing then, I would presume?

We don't know her name to check if she is listed as missing.

We only have pizzaboys word that the child is called farms James and that she is his god daughter.

We don't believe him.

Thats because you're crazy.

Rule 10 violation.

No personal attacks.

Rule 2 violation.

I have a picture of her tied to a table posted on an Instagram account that has lots of sexualized imagery

Actually, most of that "sexualized imagery" was on another Instagram account, but the pictures were tagged with Comet Ping Pong.

The same account that posts pictures of child size coffins

No, that was yet another Instagram account and the "coffin" was a coffin-shaped coffee table, just as it said on the Instagram post.

Maybe you'll think about how you might have been misled by hundreds of internet stalkers following links to friends of friends of Podesta, then taking things out of context to make them seem sinister, when they're not.

Nice friends he has.

Just the sort of perverts you would want sharing pictures of your child tied too a table.

Why tag child sized coffins Comet ping pong?

Here's the pictures so others can make up their own minds about the connections.

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@rebelskum/james-alefantis-once-public-instagram-jimmycomet-now-preserved-on-steemit-blockchain

The most disturbing images too me are the ones tagged cum panda.

A cum panda being the practice of punching someone in the face after they have just made you cum giving them two black eyes like a panda.

But no concerns about someone with this fetish tying children too tables and sharing the images with his perverse buddies.

You mean the photo of the child smiling with her wrists taped with MASKING TAPE?? Jesus christ, the degree of cognitive dissonance needed to make the conclusions you have is seriously fucked up, and you should probably get some counseling.

If she is smiling and a genuinely happy child then there would be no issue with pizza boy proving it.

Thousands of people around the world have reached the same conclusions.

If you think this is a normal thing too do too a child then I suggest its you that needs some counseling.

Thousands of people

There are thousands of people who think the Earth is flat, and no amount of overwhelming evidence or proof that will convince them otherwise. And why the fuck would "pizza boy" bother to respond to your ludicrous claims? Responding to them would only further fan the flames; anything this guy says or does is going to garner your immediate paranoia. Instead of actually doing something productive, such as helping law enforcement with actual pedophilia cases or contributing to a charity, you sit behind your computer and bring down contributing members of society simply because... I don't even know why. Because libtards, I guess?

Why do we do it?

Because we believe that pizza boy is involved in something untowardly and his political connections and wealth have allowed him too get away with it.

You're wrong about no evidence being enough .

Show that the little girl taped too the table is safe and well and I will admitted I was wrong about her.

So once again, this goes back to Doxxing a minor. How do you not realize that is fucked up? Why should these people have their privacy broken any further because of you? If he showed the girl, you'd say the picture was old. If he proved it were recent, you'd say it wasn't the same girl because her hair is just slightly the wrong color. Once again, I reiterate that there is no amount of evidence that would convince you otherwise. You've already swallowed the Kool-Aid.

These people have been victimized by delusional conspiracy warriors like yourself for long enough. Leave them the fuck alone, if they did something wrong then the FBI will be all over it.

We believe that pizza boy is involved in something untowardly and his political connections and wealth have allowed him too get away with it.

The funny thing about this is we have a sitting President who is actually getting away with shit due to his political and financial connections and you don't even give a fuck about that. You are so blinded by your own prejudices, you don't even realize the sad irony of your existence. You consider yourself a soldier of truth, yet you can't even detect the bullshit that happens in front of your face.

Or as I would put it.

Once again we come back too pizza boy not being able too prove the well being of the child.

The cycle will keep repeating unless someone can prove the child is safe and well.

No, we go back to the fact that you have proven nothing. You have zero evidence. You have cherry-picked family photos out of context in order to loosely tie together a convenient fiction for yourself. I don't doubt that you're sincere in your convictions, but I also have no doubt that you are totally fucking wrong.

Why do we do it?

Because you're easily manipulated by some of the oldest deception tactics out there and have to find some useful outlet for the rage you feel over Hillary Clinton's emails not earning her the electric chair so you grasp at straws until you get to the point where doxing a little girl is the moral and right thing to do. You fucking loony.

We'd like a psych evaluation of you to make sure you're ok.

I'm fine thanks buddy .

Don't worry about me.

I think you are a Russian agent. Prove that you aren't by posting your personal information so we can know for sure. I'm just protecting my country.

How about it?

He's actually the girl in the pic, and this is a cry for help. He wants us to find him and release his story to the world

I don't know how I ended up in this shit show of a thread from /r/all, but it drives me crazy that you're acting like some top level investigator but don't know the difference between "too" and "to".

Thanks.

I cant stand bad grammar.

I will never post here again with the shame of it.

... ok let's maybe not give psychological evaluations via Reddit, that's just bad form.

Oh, it's not an evaluation, I'm saying it'd probably be in his best interest to simply get an assessment.

Hey in his defense, everyone can benefit from having a dedicated therapist, even people without any sort of pathology.

don't you get it? those that find sexualization in everything have it on their mind constantly. so it's no surprise that op is fucked in the head if they instantly think of cp when seeing an image of a child.

Sounds like you have some serious projection going on. Maybe you should seek therapy?

"NU UH! Ur pruh-jec-ting" is literally just "I know you are but what am I?" for people who wrongly think they're too smart for "I'm rubber you are glue."

In my experience, someone who goes right to that point is often projecting their feelings onto others. Unless he is a psychologist, which I don't think he is. He created the sexualization himself, his mind went there, no one elses.

Also, that is not "literally just" anything. If I meant that, I would have literally said that. I think you need to get a dictionary.

In my experience

Or lack thereof.

someone who goes right to that point is often projecting their feelings onto others.

Well in my experience people who cry projection are projecting their projection issues onto the person the projector is accusing of being the projector. Or in short "I know you are but what am I?"

He created the sexualization himself, his mind went there, no one elses.

So there's no sexualization on the guys instagram account and you're all crazy? So pizzagate is really just a bunch of broken sad dorks whipping their dicks out and shouting over nothing? Or is their something sexual in nature going on here that you guys noticed and found yourselves meaning... oh no! That means you guys are the broken sexual deviants! The real pizzagate was calling from inside the house!

Also, that is not "literally just" anything.

Yes it is. Maybe you shouldn't let yourself be fooled by big dictionary. Or maybe you shouldn't be a pedantic dweeb who makes his argument look worse by getting pouty over a contestable use of the word "literally".

How do you know my experience? That's a neat trick. Your word salad and insane justifications aren't helping you. What you wrote was complete and utter bullshit and shows that you don't really understand how projection works in the first place. But you can break it down to a simplified completely incorrect statement if that makes you feel better, or smarter. I'll say it, pizzagate is bullshit. Yes, you are a bunch of sad dorks shouting over nothing. The leaps you guys make skirt the edges of sanity. A bunch of sad 20 somethings with hero complexes that come from too many pokemon and naruto cartoons. Proof is in the pudding, and you don't have any.

No its not. You can make up whatever definition you want but that doesn't make it true. It's kind of funny that you think your argument is stronger because you used a word incorrectly. Communication matters.

Did something happen to you as a child?

His parents restrained him with masking tape. He was trapped for days and almost died.

Yes.

Just checked the images. I don't see any hint of sexualization in those pictures. I think you guys are the perverts if you see sex in those.

Even the one with children playing piñata for alcohol and condom's?

And I'm perverted.

Til: doxxing a racist is bad. Doxxing a little girl is good.

Can't dox her if she's dead.

You have no proof she's dead. You demand she give up her anonymity to disprove something you have no proof is true.

Make demands of a child?

You mean like " bend over this table while I tie you down"

Or " stand in this shopping basket while I take photos of you so I can joke about selling kids too my pervy friends"

I make no demands from this poor little girl.

I do point out that its odd/worrying that no one has seen her since these pictures were discovered.

This little girl must go too school,presumably in the Washington area,yet no one has seen her.

Does she have no friends?

No parents of other children at her school?

Does she not go outside?

Also pizza boy didn't care too much about her anonymity when he was posting disturbing pictures of her on his perverted Instagram account.

You ask that she be identified, and paraded around to disprove your completely lacking in evidence claim that she's dead. S'funny. People only know about his instagram (for the most part) because you guys decided pizzagate was the realist thing that was ever real, and decided to take apart every thing related to the guy in an attempt to prove he's a pervert. So, we go back to the start: doxxing a little girl is fine. Doxxing racist is a horrific invasion of privacy.

Pizza boy had no problems parading this child around his perverse Instagram followers,he should have no problem proving that she is who he claims and that she is alive and well.

People started investigating his Instagram account after he came up in pedoestas emails.Obviously they were right too do so.

Here's some of what was found.

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@rebelskum/james-alefantis-once-public-instagram-jimmycomet-now-preserved-on-steemit-blockchain

Til: no evidence of being a pedophile means you're 100% a pedophile, and that person should have every aspect of his life exposed (despite being a private citizen). Doxxing a racist is beyond the pale, and should never be done for any reason.

You're referring too CNN doxing hansassholeholo?

A bit different .

CNN are a multinational ,billion dollar news agency targeting a reddit user for posting a meme that makes fun of them.

Pizza boy is suspected by millions of people around the world of being a pedophile he has posted pictures of a child in a distressing situation, ie tied to a table alongside pictures of child sized coffins. Its not unreasonable for people to want too make sure this child didn't end up in said coffin.

It's common to name the subject of a news story. CNN specifically decided not to name hanassholesolo because he's a kid and because they talked to him. So you're pissed off because CNN went out of their way to not doxx this fucking piece of shit but they could one day decide to do what is totally normal and include the name of the fucking guy you are writing a story about? Get the fuck over yourself

Hanassholesolo isn't a kid, dude is a 40 yo man.

I mean why would someone go on the internet and tell lies. The guy said he's a 40 year old vet; CNN certainly isn't confirming it. I'd bet good money it's some little shit stain who is in deep shit now with mom and dad cause he's 15 and thinks he's edgy as fuck.

CNN did confirm it, the author of the article, who was in contact with AssHole even confirmed on twitter he was in-fact not 15 years old, but a middle aged man. But we are on conspiracy where you know facts are just a suggestion of what to believe.

In that case I wish CNN had revealed his name. I assumed it was because they found some extenuating circumstance that convinced them it wasn't worth it. Instead, they're shielding some middle-aged assbag because he doesn't want his family to know he's a racist, homophobic piece of shit.

Because unlike what a lot of memes say CNN is upholding the man's wishes. He apologized so why even bother, I really is a non issue that got blown out of proportion

I'm not sure why you think it's a non-issue. The President retweeted this guy's content. This guy is a seriously bigoted person. It's a huge story to know whether the President was aware of the long history of racism and discrimination from this guy and the online Trump community writ large, and whether he agrees with it.

If you found out that Trump frequented Stormfront, wouldn't you want to know to what extent that reflects their beliefs? Cause T_D isn't far from that.

We already know how the president is, this story is a total none issue because he already has all right people in the white house talking to him.

Wait, what? The President's campaign chair was retweeting "muh holocaust" memes during the campaign. The President himself has been sued for racial discrimination, has a long history of expressed racist attitudes, and just retweeted a meme that either he or a staffer found by following a person on a reddit sub with his and its own long history of racism and discrimination. The whole fucking thing points strongly to Trump's attitudes towards race and religion at least being highly suspect. All the right people? Like who? People are quitting the Trump white house left and right because he doesn't listen to them. For fuck's sake, his ethics chair just resigned because he couldn't work with Trump. Not to mention the incredibly damaging behavior around the Russian allegations - even if you don't believe that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia during the election, Trump's behavior in handling the ongoing investigation has been at least dishonest and authoritarian, if not downright illegal. If Obama or Clinton had done any of this the right would literally be in the streets calling for them to be impeached and they would have been right to do so. So please explain to me how Trump continuing his habit of furthering extreme white nationalist ideas from extreme white nationalist communities is a fucking non issue. You're a sheep or a troll and I personally don't have respect for either.

Because he dumbly put his Facebook account up and people figured it out. Dude is a 40 yo dude, that is a fact.

That is why he started to delete his post history and shit because he knows what he posted is some deep racist ass shit a tween would post

Pizza boy is suspected by millions of people around the world of being a pedophile

Yeah no. Nobody believes this crap but nut jobs.

welcome to r/conspiracy, The_Dumbass 2.0

I like to think of it as TD Lite.

Millions? Suspected on what premise?

If I say millions of people believe the earth is flat or there is quite literally a man in the clouds or above the clouds looking down in them, it doesn't validate shit. Numbers without reasonable premises means nothing. You should understand. You have numbers in beliefs, but no backbone to the their substantiation.

"millions" Sure. Remember kids: lack of evidence just means they're better at covering it up!

These are the type of people that shoot up schools.

Who me?

yes.

yep. seek help dude.

yeah

Yeah, you

I don't think you having a hypocritical and personally biased towards a more hateful party makes you a candidate for a shooting. Idk why that guy even went to that angle

The same rhetoric is used against any conspiracy; I don't think it's specific to this case. If you believe in one conspiracy, you believe them all; if you entertain one conspiracy, it means you're off the rails and need help and a danger to society. The typical stereotyping the brain does. I usually ignore what people say and just check things out myself, make a decision that way.

I don't know your views to acknowledge "check things out myself, make a decision that way" because who knows where you're checking. I see what you're saying, conspiracy is charged with crazy vibes. But I was just saying it's silly for that commenter to suspect the poser will shoot up a school because they believe in crazy Trump shit.

It's not that, it's the desperate rationalisation of every idea they have. Had an idea once about something, never saw a single reason to believe it's true, but because it hasn't been proven wrong to my satisfaction we must go to extreme measures to fix the problem.

If you can rationalise extreme measures based on nothing more than an opinion, you can rationalise other extreme measures.

Yes you, Satan.

How do you know she's not been seen? You don't even know her name, much less who her parents/friends are.

You're saying that because nobody has responded to your crazy requests to prove her identity and safety, there must be something sinister occurring? Get real, man. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Lets just allow the government to have all our information and history to avoid this. That will teach us.

Allow

They're doing that anyway. They don't care about your permission.

Right? TIL the government gives a shit about our consent

Making edgy jokes on /r/imgoingtoshellforthis doesn't make you a racist...

Guess what I don't do? make edgy jokes in that sub. Possibly because I'm not a racist.

You know it's possible to find racist jokes funny without being racist right?

Not really, no.

Seems like you'd have to be pretty close minded to think that, you can find topics funny without taking them seriously.

Because if you make a joke about a mexican, while playing on sterotypes, that's racist. What's the difference between "a lazy mexican spends all day not working, except on his tan" and "A lazy guy spends all day not working, except on his tan" the first one is racist (and very mildly funny, but not because of the racist language) and the second one is just as funny, but doesn't involve racial stereotypes about mexicans. If you're making a joke about an ethnic minority, you should really try to redo it to remove racist language. If you can't remove the racist language and still have the joke be "funny", chances are it's a racist joke.

Ok you don't like racist jokes but you can still make them without being a racist, people may find humor in the absurdity of it.

What's absurd about making a joke about untrue ethnic stereotypes?

Racism is pretty absurd from a non-racist's perspective.

Making Racist jokes ironically is indistinguishable from making racists jokes.

Perhaps but if it's about intention then it's a pretty important difference.

It's impossible to tell someone's intention on a reddit post that solely contains the racist joke. I admit that I sometimes make inappropriate jokes (like when I say that Obama committed the crime of being black while presidenting, to highlight the absurdity of people who actually make that claim), but the totality of my posts on this site would hopefully show that I'm not a racist, or that I at least try not to be (there's always some inherent biases due to privilege, which isn't to beat people over the head about it, it's just that you don't always know something's wrong if you never experience it in a negative context.) If all my posts were "absurdist" takes on racial jokes, then how can you tell the difference between me, and a racist who's posting those joke non-ironically?

All I'm saying is that making racist jokes is a separate thing from being racist. Sure they can be linked or correlated and you can't tell people's intentions over the internet, but making a joke or intentionally dumb/troll comments doesn't mean somebody is a racist.

No, it doesn't, but if the person's posting history is full of racist jokes, how do you know he's not an actual racist?

Because it's untrue.

Sounds like your trying to rationalize your racism.

Lol ok psychologist. I just recognise that jokes aren't meant to be taken seriously.

How about this why don't you try telling racist jokes to a bunch of people of the race/nationality you are making fun of and see how they react?

I don't live in a very diverse area. The black friends I've said 'racist' jokes to were fine with it because it's all in good fun.

No, they were fine with it because they knew that pushing back would make it worse.

Dude you know nothing about me or my friends, it's a bit rude to make authoritative assumptions like that over what I've said in a Reddit comment...

It does if they're racist jokes.

The fact that they are jokes means that they aren't meant to be taken seriously...

But sadly a shiton of people in that sub do.

That could be true, doesn't seem like it to me though.

What if you're making jokes about your own ethnicity, is that still racist? When a black guy tells a racist joke about black people and you laugh at it being a white person does that make you racist too?

Going on The_Donald and saying "I fantasize about murdering muslims" or going on watchpeopledie and saying "Fucking stupid chinks" makes you racist.

And so do racist "jokes" whose punchline is "fucking niggers I hate them".

Maybe the guys insane but he could also just find humor in the absurdity of it. Just saying it doesn't make you racist and you can't make accurate assumptions about someone over some dumb internet comments.

That's not the only place he made those "jokes." He also advocated for doxxing. I personally hope someone leaks his personal information.

Yeah advocating for doxing is an asshole thing to do, but you're also advocating for him to be doxed so where does that leave us.

Dude, just stop. You're not even American. At least go troll in your own waters.

Is this an America only sub now?

Didn't Think so.

You are free too go wherever you want so if you don't like here go somewhere else.

Fuck off w trolling innocent Americans and their families, ya toxic pile of shit.

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If you can't keep it civil you are not welcome here.

Get out.

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Compare the photos. You guys are good and obsessing on photos, how did you miss this one?

Can you provide Any proof that the little girl is actual pizza boys goddaughter or proof that the child is even alive?

All you have to do is compare the photos. In some of the photos, she is younger, and in others older. But most of them are of her, Caris James, the god daughter of Alefantis. Surely, even an amateur investigator would have compared the photos and seen this obvious fact, yet how come none of the Pizzagaters have done this?

Proof that she is actually his god daughter please?

I have difficulty taking the word of suspected pedophile as truth.

So what's a cum panda?

Or a hotard for that matter.

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The fact he used the terminology "chicken lovers" is very alarming in itself, regardless of gender.

CHicken= CHildren

Hawk= Predator

Have you actually gone to the "chicken lovers" hashtag on Twitter? It's not a pedo hang out, it's a foodie hangout. This is consistent with the Podesta emails.

Found the guy who's never been rich before. Rich people buy weird expensive shit. In case you didn't know, art is also a good investment.

I'm referring to the moral problem of hoearding as much money as millions of others

Riiight...you apparently never saw that fucked up instagram account or read the emails yourself. I did. There is definitely real shit going down.

Maybe you should be more explicit because as far as I can tell it seems like you're talking about the pizza gate shit. I used to work with high net individuals and they buy ugliest shit in the world. What else do you do when you have money?

Right, and all these accusations are false, along with the Wikileaks dumps, the Instagram posts and all the lies from Alefantis.

/s

You'd have to really be ahead of the game, as well as ahead of Wikileaks and Alefantis' perverted social media to come up with something like pizzagate, seeing as it literally stemmed from the Podesta emails. Do 20 minutes of reaearch on VOAT or Steemit and you'll know it's more than "fake news".

What about Alefantis' buddy who makes children's coffins? What about the fact he attends Rothschild dinners? What about the fact he has NEVER adressed any of the controversial claims against him, like the kill room post, the chickenlover post, the cumpanda post or the other numerous perverted social media posts?

What about the fact he owns at least 4 properties in DC being a college dropout? Literally no post grad education. He also has a restaurant in Berlin (human trafficking central) called Nalu diner.

Too much smoke without fire.

Move along.

I never said it was all false. I am simply saying that to blindly accept it all is foolish. And to not be suspicious of glaring holes like that one girl was in most of the instragram photos, the fake, forged pedo code, is very alarming. Again, truthers don't behave this way.

Whats he supposed to do though, post a bunch of photos of missing kidswith pedo tags on them? If you're going to post blatantly pedophilic shit on your social media as advertisements for the rest of your fucked up friends to see it at least has to have an air of legitimacy to it.

What? That made no sense.

Can you show me the fake and the girl you mentioned and all that? I haven't seen any of that, and id like to see discrediting evidence of all this

The fake/forged pedo code is here: https://fitzinfo.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/pizzagatehoax.jpg

The god daughter of James Alefantis is Caris James. Just search for her, then compare all of the Instagram photos and you will see for yourself that she is in most of the photos. Keep in mind, though, that she appears in the photos at different ages in her life. For example, she sometimes appears as a baby, then at other times as a toddler, like in the "chicken lovers" photo.

I just got around to seeing this, thanks for the answer, that is damning. I understand if you don't want to reply after two weeks but the main part that I was troubled by and couldn't ignore was the fact there was three stores on one street with pedo symbols in their logos. Not looking to argue, I'd just like to be firmly on one side or the other about this

Those "pedo" symbols are very commonly used without connections to pedophilia. But the Pizzagaters don't want people to know about it because it doesn't fit their predetermined conclusions.

Fair enough, I think we can agree that is a hell of a coincidence tho

As an example of how common that crossed ping pong logo is, search it in bing images. It's everywhere.

What does having a college degree have to do with owning property?

Many many people drop out of college and go into restaurants. Many eventually own restaurants. I dropped out of electrical engineering and spent the next fifteen years cooking, eventually becoming an executive chef.

Are you one of the most powerful people in your city? Seems legit lol

Hate to break it to you, but GQ doesn't actually officially determine your level of power.

I don't think Roger Stone has anything to do with the fact that Luzatto emailed Podesta to pimp her children. Or that she maintains a blog that sells 'raw uncut uncensored!' baby pictures. This is the smoking gun. I just found the blog evies crib. Check it out.

Liberals are freaks, there is no doubt, but this isn't evidence that Podesta is pimping kids.

I was about to correct you, but then I recognized your username because other people have already and you just continue to spread misinformation

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

OK, but we are talking about Pizzagate here, not Pedogate. Of course institutional pedophilia exists. No one has ever denied this.

Yes, but some people want to use Pizzagate to discredit the increasing Pedogate disclosures. Gosh, who would want to do that?

Regardless, truth should be the objective here. You can't go easy on something merely because what it might mean for something else.

We fight hard here because the mass media is covering it up.

Watch this: The Media's Darkest Cover-Up | Burnt Pizza Part I Really well made and FAIR collection of media clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8urOO0d7n8

How can the mass media coverup something that has never been proven?

Let's examine how investigative journalism used to work using Watergate. People contacted reporters for the Washington Post. They made accusations that there was a robbery and a coverup. They did not have proof. Because the reporters heard the same information from two sources, so they printed the allegations. However, still nothing was proved. The newspaper reports put pressure on members of the government, called Congress, to open an investigation into the executive branch. Still no proof. Someone said their may be taped recordings of conversations in the White House. Finally physical proof.

Then the President was impeached. The President's crime was not the original robbery, it was the cover-up.

Get it? Step One: Testimony and Circumstantial evidence Step Two: Investigative make allegations based on more than one source. Based on testimony and circumstantial evidence. Step Three: A legal authority opens an investigation Step Four: Find PROOF of crimes and cover-up. Stop Five: Punish crimes.

No response? Ok,good. Glad I could help you understand how the world used to work. Today, the MSM just covers up for people who are connected.

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

#pizzagate

This is the best pizzagate documentary on the internet. Part 2 coming soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8urOO0d7n8

What. The. Fuck. Evies crib is the goddamn smoking gun! How did I not know this. Oh my god! It proves that luzatto was offering her kids for sex. This needs to be higher.

Luzzatto didn't run the blog, her husband did.

Allow me to quote /u/twsmith

This was a blog of cute baby pictures with a few videos. Tamera Luzzatto did not run the blog, Evie's father did.

The blog was not invite-only until internet stalkers started harassing the Luzzattos.

There is a little bit archived here: http://archive.is/3nW3z

There were more pictures archived on sli.mg but that site has been down since mid-January.

As you can see, there's nothing unusual about the photos at all.

Also, the father tries to make humorous remarks on nearly every picture. People are trying to insinuate that there's something sinister about the phrase "raw and uncut", but that's just the way he writes.

EDIT: Well, after looking at the header on the archive.is page, I figured out there are more pages archived.

Here is the biggest group of pictures: https://archive.is/2g30Y

As you can see, there's nothing suspicious about any of the pictures.

And here is the first post on the blog:

This is where the magic happens!

Welcome! If you are here you are one of the first people to view Evie's blog! And our friends should thank us---by indulging ourselves with this web portal we are NOT filling your inboxes with large files of pictures and videos!

Enjoy and we will look forward to your comments....

And another one from that day:

Evie's first day

Here is Dad the night I was born. Very glad he didn't make it through Organic Chemistry to become a doctor, this site doesn't inspire confidence.

So, it is the father who made the site.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/63l7zm/tamera_lozzatto_from_the_invite_only_emails_zoom/dfvgvb3

Does it matter which of them made the site when they were offering paid "uncut" photos of their baby children?

Yes it matters, facts matter..

Look at the blog.

https://archive.is/2g30Y

The "raw and uncut" comment is in the header of the page - it's a joke. Read the blog, the father talks in a jovial tongue in cheek manner throughout.

/u/thehighbatman

Sup niggas

Where the fuck did you get any of that from this post?

Jesus, these people will believe anything.

How are you gonna say there was nothing suspicious when they offered uncensored versions of photos to premium subscribers?? There are just too many coincidences.

How am I going to say it? I'm going to say it like I did in the post you just replied to.

Tell me this, /u/TheHighBlatman, how is this blog related to comet ping pong?

Luzatto whatever is a former Clinton aide who sent emails to Podesta. Podesta is good friends with Alefantis who owns comet ping pong. We've spoken b4 so I already know who you are so I think that's good enough reason to not believe what you say. :) anyway toodles.

No, it doesn't. Evie's crib was a blog for friends and families run by Evie's father. If you look at the pictures, they are ordinary baby photos.

Seconded, can't believe how this one still hasn't got more views.

I cant wait for part 2

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Damn, shills have nothing to say but just keep on talking : / Please get a real job. And if your going to comment on this, do actual research

get a real job

Says the guy wasting his time with dumb conspiracy theories

FRIENDLY REMINDER! THE ONLY SHOT FIRED IN THE "ASSAULT" ON COMET PIZZA WAS INTO THE HARDDRIVE OF THEIR COMPUTER IN THE BACK ROOM AND THE SHOOTER HAS AN IMDB PAGE

because the only reason a computer would be in a restaurant is to run a pedophile server.

Yes thankfully the shooter destroyed their hard drive and also made PG look silly.

Comet better thank their lucky stars no one was injured in their establishment. That would be awful!!

shooter destroyed their hard drive

Is there a reputable source for this info?

My bad can't link anything. But a time mag article reports there were multiple shots that damaged a closet containing computer equipment.

I also saw somewhere in this thread a picture of what appears to be a hard drive with a bullet hole. Looked like it was a picture from a fox news report

That's some irrefutable concrete evidence right there

Totally. I’m imagining the Time article in my head right now. I imagine it looked really legit

I can't post a link but firefly is coming back along with ST:TNG as a crossover.

Google it bitch

Ok, scary Terry, settle down

Why would you hire an actor with an IMDB page to be a false flag crisis actor?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2625901/

yeah, i know. he had one acting job as an extra in a shitty DTV horror movie. Yes, he's an actor. I still wonder why you'd get an actor with an IMDB page to be a crisis actor.

Why not?

Because people will use it as a claim of false flag? Don't need to be a genius to figure that one out.

I'm convinced that sometimes conspirators bank on this happening--"They wouldn't do that...so they probably didn't." Just look at 9/11. You don't need to be a genius to figure most of the corrupt bullshit out, you just need to question authority and do a bit of research.

Just saying... I wouldn't be surprised if they get their jollies off of leaving obvious flaws and banking on the populace just never doing thorough research and never questioning official stories on T.V.

LAPD involvement in the Cecil Hotel Elisa Lam case is also disgustingly obvious, yet all it takes is a mental diagnosis and an official story and the case is closed.

So in short

No flaws: They are masterminds!

Some flaws: They are masterminds but like leaving flaws!

I mean, there is no reason behind what you just said; Either they try covering up or they don't, halfassing isn't helping them.

Yea I wasn't saying it helps them, or that they are masterminds... I was saying they get off on leaving breadcrumbs for idiots who don't bother with them.

...

'They get off on' is your whole argumentation, something that supposedly binds all the loose 'seems-like-evidenceish' stuff together?

All I want is evidence, not speculations on the wank-patterns of a CIA operative.

Actually, the thread we are in is a discussion as to why a conspirator would leave such obvious evidence, not a thread requesting evidence. But cool, be more condescending and self righteous.

So what, people are doing that right now, no one cares.

Um .. that hard drive thing didn't happen. But more importantly, there was no reasons to do it. Owner of the pizzeria could've just thrown the HD away (or hammer it to pieces, then throw away), and say it stopped working.

Do you think these things through?

http://pizzagate.wiki/images/d/d1/CPP_bullet_hole.jpg

That's a bullet hole on a computer case. I can't see from that (extremely high quality for a cap from an HD channel btw.) picture if it hit anything inside at all...

He has 7 upvotes. You have 25. It is always this way when people deny pizzagate. Only here though. In real life people see what's going on. That's why the shilling is starting to lose it's effect. It's not realistic.

What do you mean? That people in real life know that pizzagate is real, while on the internet people do not think it's real?

So literally no evidence whatsoever that it supposedly hit a HD.

Nice.

How does this prove that the hard drive was hit by the bullet though? He would've had to fire directly down into the case to hit it from that entry point, and the closet was locked. I would assume that the bullet passed diagonally through the case from the front to back, which makes it difficult to imagine that it was able to hit the hard drive.

If you're going for a conspiracy angle, it seems far more likely that this was a false flag to discredit Pizzagate. There are more reliable and effective ways to destroy hard drives that don't involve attracting a large amount of police and media attention. For all we know, the hard drive is sitting there still in perfect condition- it's not like the police are investigating him.

I tend to think it was probably a "false flag" to get sympathy for the pizza place)it's owner and therefore link anyone investigating it as hurtful people who are ruining these people's lives, etc. That's not a stretch at all, and it worked to a degree. These people run off the same playbook time and time again and once you familiarize yourself with it it's not that hard to spot things like this.

You're an idiot

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You are also an idiot

Keep doing what you're doing, downvote these cocksuckers and move right on, they're not winning and they know it. The influx of MSM shills and slides is another move of desperation.

As long as people understand the posts with near zero upvotes are the only ones worth paying attention to. We can eventually get out of this on top. Until then holy shit this thread is swamped with shills.

i'm thinking another false-flag is coming and purge among the NWO afterwards........

they're scared......not of us......but of each other!

Trust me we aren’t shills. We are people with critical thinking skills seeing no evidence whatsoever. Show legitimate evidence and maybe someone would believe this theory, but until then I will continue to treat it like the ramblings of insane people

There is an incredible amount of evidence to support elite pedophilia for decades, it's incontrovertible, and the only people denying it are people who are obtuse, retarded or paid to lie.

Huh guess I missed my paycheck

Or just retarded, or being obtuse for the sake of it because you can't wrap your head around the implications.

Or you’re retarded for seeing implications where none exist. We can both throw names. How do I know you’re not a paid republican shill who is trying to discredit Podesta and a guy who owns a pizza place?

Podesta/Clinton has nothing to do with CPP other than having potential ties and connections to Alefantis. Read the fully-sourced info on Voat, I'm not going to waste time explaining the entire thing to you.

Ahhhh Voat the racist hate wesbsite that spun off of Reddit. That’s all you needed to say. Now I understand where everyone here gets there news from

You're a fucking idiot. Case closed

Definitely. Sorry I like hard evidence when it comes to facts. Only idiots like trustworthy information

You mean like a picture of a computer case with a hole in it that is somehow evidence that someone destroyed the HDD? All the evidence we've seen so far is incredibly far fetched.

But there’s a slight chance the bullet was purposely shot through the door and hit possibly on the right spot on the computer case. Clear evidence they were trying to destroy evidence. Don’t even get me started on how fishy it is that a pizza place sells cheese pizza

I had not seen that picture before, but that sure doesn't look like a hard drive to me. For the record, I've been building PCs from scratch since the 1990s and still do, so I know what hard drives look like.

That's because that's the entire computer, not judge the hard drive. But it hit the hard drive

How do you know? Based on that position of the hole in that picture I would think the bullet missed the hard drive.

No, the police report (PDF) says that multiple shots were fired.

25. ... Officers also recovered spent shell casings and observed other physical evidence that was consistent with the audible evidence that WELCH had discharged the AR-15 multiple times inside the restaurant.

30. ... WELCH stated that, at one point, he encountered a locked door. When he was unable to open the door, WELCH became suspicious and attempted to force it open with a butter knife and then by shooting the lock. WELCH said that he fired shots at the lock* using his AR-15.

A computer was hit, but it doesn't look like the hard drive was hit. That part was made up by pizzagate hoaxers.

attempted to force it open with a butter knife

best part right there.

an imdb page where he worked as an extra one or two times... hardly an actor. you guys need to stop parroting that lie.

I'm still very skeptical on the whole thing. It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever parts of it were true, but the lack of hard evidence for it makes me think this may just be one of those things the internet just won't let go.

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Still no victims, every time i come here some tard is ranting about the crime with no victims

no victims

This post literally shows a victim of Alefantis accusing him of rape

He never accused him of rape he accused him of sexual assault.

http://archive.is/9bHUm

Wow, that AMA is retarded.

It's the same thing dumbass

If I touch your butt were you raped?

In a court of law? Probably not. I would feel very violated though.

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@gizmosia/james-alefantis-threatens-kill-room-finder-breaking-news

Someone needs to explain to me how this video "proves" that Pegasus is the "kill room". All this video shows us that JA bought a building and began renovating it, the building is near a playground, and there is faded graffiti on a wall somewhere nearby that says "kids". I almost couldn't continue the video when it pointed out the black truck in the street view picture and claimed it belongs to the guy helping with renovations.... It's a street view shot from god knows when....

Did you see the guy on the roof In street view looking at the playground with binoculars?

I didn't want to re watch the video to find it, but did find a guy in a red coat on street view from Nov 2016. I assume this is him since the only older SV images are from 2014 or earlier.

How do you make out that the guy is looking through binoculars? If he is he is only using one hand to do it because to me it looks like his left arm is at his side. I would say he's more likely talking on a cell phone than looking through binoculars.

No, the person did not accuse Alefantis 8 years ago. He accused Alefantis 5 months ago of raping him 8 years ago. Which is far less credible, given that it happened after Pizzagate had started.

Sort of like the accusations against Trump that popped up during the campaign. I'm following your logic here.

"grab her by the pussy"

At least he wasn't laughing at someone getting sodomised by a bayonette

Oh that poor defenceless tyrant!

Did you know he like to rape young girls and boys too?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545819/Uncovered-The-macabre-sex-chamber-Libyas-Colonel-Gaddafi-raped-girls-boys-young-14.html

our sick sad world......

Sort of like the accusations against Trump that popped up during the campaign. have been popping up for the last ~35 years.

A list of sexual misconduct accusations against Donald Trump, beginning in the 1980's.

Accusations are meaningless.

I could accuse you of something right now , should everyone here believe my accusation?

Ok, so you're saying that one of OP's two points is invalid?

He's saying everyone just needs to accept the right wing conspiracies but every left wing one needs serious scrutiny

Accusations are meaningless

HmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

What about when he raped Marla Maples? That's in court documents and public record.

No, sort of like when people started coming forward after Jimmy Saviles death. Threatening someone is one way to keep them quiet but people will feel safer coming forward when there are other people backing up their claims.

I agree.

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

I didn't say I don't believe in elite pedophilia. In fact, I've been researching the Franklin scandal and related cases (like John Couey and a related South Georgia sex ring) for the past several months. But this particular rape allegation against James Alefantis is especially shaky, and the way the OP refers to it is highly misleading. That was my only contention.

Good, we agree on something.

Now ask yourself, if you were part of pedo-gate and you had a lot of money and a lot of power what would you do to distract people from pedogate? What would you do to discredit pedo-gate? Do Nothing or do something? What do you think they did to distract people from looking into their activities? Nothing or something?

False flag attack anyone?

Yes, that's what I've suspected Pizzagate of being, at least in part. Some of the things in Pizzagate do strike me as odd, and I can't help but feel there's a kernel of truth, but there are also major flaws (like no confirmed victims), and so I believe Pizzagate was intentionally pushed to discredit more well-documented elite child sex rings.

Dear Mom and Dad,

When you read about my confession to being raped by a man in Washington DC 8 years ago, don't worry, I am just pretending to do it so I can get an under the table payment from the Republican Party. Yes, I know that the Republican party is often again gay rights, but I know that Trump will be a great president, so I will accept the public humiliation of being a male rape victim. Some may laugh at me but don't worry, I made the whole story up for cash.

Love, Your "not-really raped son"

Ridiculous strawman; you've assumed that I think the person was paid off to do the AMA. That theory never even crossed my mind, and I maintain that the person could have been telling the truth, but there's nothing particularly credible about their story (could have been a LARP), and the way the OP presents it is misleading.

Is every piece of evidence in Pizza-gate a LARP? All the emails are possibly fake? Do you think Sprit cooking is non-existant? The Podesta family friendly relations with convicted sex-offender Dennis Hastert. It is all fake right, somebody on 4-chan made it all up?

I think in law, there is a concept know as a preponderance of evidence. How much of evidence can people sweep under the rug? How much of it will the mass media ignore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8urOO0d7n8

Have you watched this yet?

Dude, chill. I already told you I believed in elite pedophilia rings, and only said the AMA "could have been a LARP". If you react this aggressively whenever people question ever a single piece of evidence associated with Pizzagate, you won't get many people on your side.

Hey, I agree some of the evidence is bullshit and presenting false evidence is not helpful to the cause. For example the "Fatherhood video". The voice in the video cannot be proven to be John Podesta, no matter how much people wish it could be.

But, if you want to discredit the a rape victim, show me the evidence he is lying or that it is a LARP.

My goal isn't to discredit him, just to say that I haven't seen any evidence he's legitimate, and that the OP's presentation of the AMA ("accused Alefantis of workplace sexual abuse 8 years ago") gives a misleading impression - someone who accused Alefantis only 5 months ago is a lot less notable than it would have been if Alefantis was accused 8 years ago, before Pizzagate existed.

No, the person did not accuse Alefantis 8 years ago. He accused Alefantis 5 months ago of raping him 8 years ago. Which is far less credible, given that it happened after Pizzagate had started.

How many items, events, pictures that "proved" PG have since been discredited and totally forgotten about? It is like the basement - it existed it was evil then it didn't exist then it was somehow moved to a different location.

Investigators use investigative techniques for a reason people.

How would anyone know if Comet has a basement or not? Conveniently, the judge that Hillary and Podesta tapped to take Scalia's seat was assigned to the PG shooters case after he pleaded not guilty. With her assignment, the shooter changed his plea to guilty, she accepted the plea and prevented any evidence from being viewed publicly. Not saying it's a cover up, but it's pretty tidy if it is.

How would anyone know if Comet has a basement or not?

Building plans. Asking them. Checking the foundation.

Methods to not use.

A load gun and force.

Who should ask them or demand building plans?

Who should ask them or demand building plans?

I guess so as to find out the following

How would anyone know if Comet has a basement or not?

That makes sense. Now that I think about it, why do we have formal investigations and evidentiary trials at all when we could just ask the accused in the first place. Your way seems much more practical.

I'm glad you agree. It's not like in the US the burden of proof is on the accuser.

Not like building plans are publicly available from the building permit agency or records office.

No no. Don't you see they probably already altered any and every possible thing, incl business plans, to make you believe it's not true /s

Well if you believe the guy who's accusing Alefantis you should also believe him when he says comet has no basement.

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Yeah, that's fine. I'm not saying whether or not there is a basement, only pointing out that the public has been prevented from seeing the evidence.

I, for one, never bought the "child rape in the dungeon" part of this in the first place. I'm fairly sure the media invented that to discredit anyone trying to uncover an elite pedo ring that involves some of the people that are friends of the owner of Comet.

What part do you "buy"? What do you think James Alefantis has done?

Months back when the investigation was at its height somebody found a copy of the building when it was for sale. It was listed as 3 floors iirc and Alefantis in an interview stated it was a single floor. I don't have the archive link, but I'm sure somebody here or on the pizza gate voat might.

Does anyone remember that case in the 90s where "hypnosis" was used to make kids "remember" being molested in a basement under their preschool? And remember how it was backed up by conspiracy theorists because the school was full of pedophile symbology?

That turned out to be total bullshit. I'm sure this theory which hits all the same notes and is clearly derivative will be true though!

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

How

This shit is public record in the tax records based on original building plans, do you seriously think that this shit isn't recorded?

because the guy with the gun went there and found no basement.

Conveniently, the judge that Hillary and Podesta tapped to take Scalia's sea

You mean Obama? Or are you that ignorant you don't understand how our government works?

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This is /r/conspiracy where they harass a day care because it looks suspicious on Google street view. "Not enough windows, just be a place for pedos!"

It's kinda of sad when you get into with a lot of them it's all about Christianity Vs Satanism. A number of these people can't seem to even believe that someone can do fucked up shit without a link to Satanism. I remember when the conspiracy community was all about "religion is the opiate of the masses".

satanic panic 2 electric boogaloo

The big irony of the satanic panic being pushed here is that the satanic panic historically was a method used by Christian elites to try to keep religious masses in control and unified against political enemies. People are trying to rehash a long standing tradition of mass control via religion.

Funnily enough, though this may be the frequency illusion, I noticed a couple of "Christianity is cool guys" recently :

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6lrg68/i_used_to_laugh_at_christianity_but_now_im_not_so

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6luhvh/the_intersection_between_christianity_and

That first thread is so cringy. It's like the incel people. I think some guys look for any excuse so they don't have to change. In this case, the entire world is immoral now, but they aren't.

"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory, is that conspiracy theorists believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is actually chaotic. The truth is that it is not The Iluminati, or The Jewish Banking Conspiracy, or the Gray Alien Theory. 
The truth is far more frightening - Nobody is in control. 
The world is rudderless."

-Alan Moore

This. I can only buy into a conspiracy when it's grounded in human fallibility.

And in that spirit, let us also remember Hanlon's Law:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

The Satanic thing is unnerving. It reminds me of the Satanic scare of the late eighties early nineties. It takes a lot of cognitive dissonance to follow the logic behind that narrative. Still hundreds if not thousands of people were accused and dozens were falsely convicted. People are still in prison over that nonsense.

NONE have been discredited. People like you come out of the fucking woodwork though to sow as much doubt as possible. Disgusting.

ALL have been discredited. People like you walk into a family pizza place with guns to threaten an innocent business owner. Disgusting.

NONE have been discredited. The guy who walked in with a gun was literally an actor. Who somehow managed to shoot a random bullet right through a harddrive that probably had an asston of incriminating evidence on it.

Show me the hotard being discredited.

Show me the children in the pool for entertainment being discredited

Show me the $20,000 beanie babies (aka "child porn") being discredited. (In spy parlance, this email in question is what's known as a "dead-drop" where the sender puts a coded message in either a hidden place, or on a public channel (in this case, an email list that podesta was on) and then bails. The recipient will get the message (or they won't) and then can act on it.) Show me Antonious being discredited

Show me cheese pizza being discredited

Show me CPP existing along known underground DC tunnels being discredited

NONE have been discredited. Just because you say something doesn't magically make it true. Comments on pizzagate posts are filled with people denying the evidence. I've yet to see anyone who denies the evidence be able to actually hold their own against anyone who has done research. I've yet to see anyone who denies the evidence able to actually cite any evidence beyond the ones that they have talking points for (where'd they get those talking points I wonder!)

It’s all circumstantial bullshit. Guy was an extra in a shitty B list horror movie. Does not make him a paid actor. Half your evidence is sexualizing innocent pictures of children playing. Like wtf is wrong with you?? Show me the evidence that the words in the emails are not to be taken literally and are actually code. You can’t because you’re grasping at straws and trying to make connections where none exist. Show me where a pizza place doesn’t have cheese pizza. For fucks sake is dominos a pedo chain too because they sell cheese pizza?? Pretty funny you bring up “saying things doesn’t make them magically true” when that’s all your evidence is. Bullshit words that you’re trying to magically wish into existence. It’s impossible to cite evidence to something when nothing existed

Heyyyyyyyyy

I think you didn't read what I wrote. You're just saying a bunch of words that aren't related to what I said. I have things to do so I'm not going to babysit you, but I guarantee you if you google what I'm talking about you can find the emails and/or evidence in question.

I read exactly what you said and clearly responded to what you said. Its funny how anytime you disagree with something you instantly jump to “babysit” or “herp derp no evidence”. It’s your way of patronizing someone in a conversation in order to make yourself feel better. I’ve seen all the “evidence” posted here tons of times and it all looks like a crock of shit to me because there’s nothing to it

Hey Waco. I, for one, don't what any of the pedogate stuff to be true. It's disgusting and bad for the soul to even consider. I am hardly an expert on anything, much less on the topic of Comet. When I first heard the accusations I chuckled to myself and wondered how anyone could believe something so bizarre.

However, over time you begin to see numerous coincidences and patterns that begin repeating that are all directly related to pizza/pedogate. You become curious and research for yourself a little bit each day. Nothing extensive - just enough to answer your own questions for things that seem unusual about the situation.

I believe I'm a pretty normal person with basic interests. Not a fanatic or crazy as far as I'm aware. I keep quiet most of the time and respect other people's opinions because often I'm able to learn from them even if not agreeing with the entirety of it.

I think if you decided to look more into it you'd at least open up to the possibilty of there being more than meets the eye. Conspiracy is a big sub and there are many fanatics here - it just attracts that type. Though I can guarantee there are more "normal" people who rarely make themselves known that feel similar to me.

There are too many oddities about Alefantis and pedogate, from what I have seen at this point, to write it off as coincidence. And I think a lot of people would also see it that way if they took a little time each day to see what the conspiracy nuts are talking about and try to relate to their views.

there is no evidence

Better yet, I've searched the specific emails myself. It's pretty illuminating to add unstable there is not one direct email from Podesta to Alefantis, or vice versa. The word "toaster" appears almost as many times.

Not much contact for the apparent necessity of a code. While we are on the code, searching other food terms is interesting as well. It's almost like people talk about food a lot.

Exactly. A friend of mine, whose intellect i used to greatly respect, has fallen for the whole pizzagate bs. Apparently due to an increasingly fanatical hatred of the Clintons. When i asked him what evidence he had, he pointed me to the emails first. I wasted a few hours of my life reviewing the pizzagate "evidence". Just amazing how pathetic it was.

Me too. I was blown away by the links, as they were presented. However, 2 hours of actually searching the emails, none of it held up.

I'm willing to bet the vast, vast majority have not bothered fact-checking themselves.

The whole point is that they don't directly communicate. They use dead drops that link to numerous repositories of encoded messages. Forum spam and pdfs on infected machines. I have literally seen it.

And yet emails from the Podesta leak are "proof" of the code? Either they use the code or they don't. Which is it?

They do use code. They are not a "proof" of the code, they are an instance of the code.

Or, not a code at all.

I agree expecting someone at a college to pay $10000 for beanie babies is totally normal

I agree asking if you play dominoes better on cheese or pasta is totally normal

I agree expecting someone at a college to pay $10000 for beanie babies is totally normal

Tenured Georgetown Law faculty dude.

I agree asking if you play dominoes better on cheese or pasta is totally normal

Different foods make you groggy.

If you are getting groggy off pasta you really shouldn't be playing dominoes. Or you should consider talking to your pasta dealer.

Look up the addressee in the searchable database that mentions cheese. Look one year earlier. Same person thanking them for that years gift. There's nothing weird about it.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

There is something weird about it. A plurality of people on the internet believe there is something weird about it. Just because your statement is true does not magically make all the other instances not weird.

Go look for yourself. Be intellectually honest. That's what I did when I found myself buying into it.

You said yourself you spent only 2 hours which is about enough time to read all the 4chan threads. The notion that your 2 hours of research is sufficient is ridiculous. This issue spans years and nations. It takes more than 2 hours.

So I propose YOU take the time and go look for yourself. YOU be intellectually honest because that's not what you're doing right now.

Two hours searching the emails. Many more looking at Alefantis, Silsby, etc. where do you want to start? Wanna go back to the 'food code'? Walnut sauce maybe?

Talk to me about MKBreeders

Lol, I love how when Podestas emails and links to Alefantis fall apart, it becomes more global in scale. Let's start at the beginning. Where the roots don't even hold up.

Just admit you don't know what I'm talking about because you haven't done as much research.

It was global in scale from day 0. FBIAnon literally said they were going to show evidence of a global trafficking ring.

It hasn't held up from the Podesta code. The literal root of the theory.

Literal root of the theory is FBIAnon. FBIAnon said things before the public had ever seen a podesta email. You're willfully lying and spreading disinformation right now, why?

Lol.

4chan when the Podesta emails were released: "they're doing all of this out in the open using code! We've figured out the key".

Reasonable people: "these don't look like codes at all".

4chan: "they do their drops privately, not out in the open!"

Because you're clearly uninformed

They do their drops publicly. The beanie babies email is a great example of a public dead drop.

The Podesta codes simply do not hold up under very basic scrutiny. Walnut sauce? Please.

So you believe that walnut sauce is code for what is claimed?

I never said that. Just because a word is a code word sometimes doesn't mean it's a code word all the time. That would make it a really shitty code word don't you agree?

Ah, gotcha. So the codewords that kicked this all off aren't codewords. But sometimes they are. Very convenient.

Investigate!!

The codewords didn't kick all this off. FBIAnon kicked all this off.

Codewords that are always codewords aren't codewords. These aren't complete idiots we're dealing with.

I don't know the context you're referring to so I can't say. You're taking a random string and asking me if it's part of an encrypted message. You can't know without the whole message.

You're being intentionally obtuse, I'm going to stop wasting my time since you clearly have an agenda. Have a nice life.

The Podesta emails were the "smoking gun" for which 4 chan released the key to the code. That was the start of any semblance of tying it into political figures.

Along with the code, people cited multiple uses of the "code words" as proof that this is how they were communicating. It didn't hold up, which is why you're pretending to not understand.

The beginning was FBIAnon on 4chan 1-2 months before the podesta emails.

None of what you've said is true. Why are you intentionally spreading lies?

Lol. This tactic.

I don't care when you want to say it started. The Podesta emails were what launched the "omg, look at these emails where they use codes for crimes against children!", as well as bringing people like Alefantis and Silsby into the mix.

The "code" emails turned out to be a joke. No direct email contact from Podesta to Alefantis or vice versa, etc. But someone saying "dominos on cheese" must mean some kind of sex crime.

Answer the question: Why do you insist on spreading lies?

FBIAnon on 4chan was the beginning. Podesta emails were an instance.

They never turned out to be a joke.

Lack of direct communication via email means nothing.

"dominos on cheese" also doesn't mean anything and isn't even the correct quote.

Again: Why are you lying intentionally?

So is the email code legit in the Podesta emails? Walnut sauce? Pizza? Hot dogs?

Answer my question

I'm just asking a question. It's almost like you don't want to commit!

Why are you intentionally lying and spreading misinformation

I love y'all when you get into a corner. It's adorable.

Says the professional in a corner.

Answer the question. Why are you intentionally lying and spreading misinformation

Because this is hilarious.

Your turn. Are the instances of the code words in the email legit, in your expert opinion?

You're lying because you think it's funny? Glad you've admitted to lying. No point continuing a conversation with someone who admits they're a liar.

Lol. I wasn't lying about anything. If you don't want to answer a simple question about the roots of your cause, I understand.

Go get em tiger. Innocent children are relying on you.

Don't expect much from u/Boomaloomdoom, they just cry and run away.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6lqgj3/reminder_pizzagate_is_real_james_alefantis/djxay27/?context=3

Good Lord. I'm sorry you wasted your time talking to this idiot.

You didn't have a conversation, you just kept asking why he was lying when all he was doing is pointing out the flaws in your argument.

Removed. Rule 10.

And I counterpropose that he doesn't waste his time on this utter bullshit because referencing what he said he could read just as much shit if not more about bigfoot.

Show it then.

http://archive.is/Yg0nY

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

Please don't spam the same comment.

Sorry to bother you. I went back and deleted all the duplicate comments except one.

But some interesting information did come out of it.

You may have noticed that I spammed comments on a PG post that seems to have stabilized at around 800 up votes. When I posted my comments, the post itself was only about 1 day old.

The highest rated comments on this posting were PG negative. I wanted to do something about it.

I went to this thread because another user on conspiracy did a posting complaining about the original posting being a shill controlled post with up votes on comments used to discredit PG research. Being that the post is still only 2 days old, it seems odd that no one reacted to my spamming except to report my spamming. I think only 2 or 3 person responded to my numerous comments with a comment. Very few people even down-voted my spam comments. Strange.

It seems that once a post reaches a satisfactory support level for a shill position, as a group they disengage. Is that possible?

Good luck with the professional shills and bots. I don't know how you are going to weed them out. If you look at my comment history, you will see that I am not a Trump RNC shill, so please don't ban me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6lqgj3/reminder_pizzagate_is_real_james_alefantis/

I put the following comment in reaction to any comment that tried to discredit Pizzagate. Anyhow, I thought it was an important idea.

"It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail."

You're wrong

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE.

Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

You guys are pathetic...

This sub is shit and you guys are literally retarded

Great criticism! You're such a genius yourself

Okay, but have you considered the fact that your brains have been replaced with chem trails and piss?

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

Removed. Rule 10.

No it's not.

lol, keep trying lil_donnie, keep trying.

Maybe one day if you keep at it you will find Seth Rich too lol.

Absolutely no constructive criticism, congrats on a terrible comment.

Come back soon!

Absolutely no constructive criticism

yeah um, you wont get any "constructive criticism" from me when you start posting played out and disproven Flat Earth b.s. either.

Your campaign has defended rapists and pedophiles but "LOL EGGSDEE DONNIE IS A RAPIST AND HIS SUPPORTERS ARE MORONS".... go back to WaPo/HuffPo

Your candidate is a rapists and pedophile.

One of these things is not like the other...

Every time anything PG gets posted the comments are just a military assault against it. This is what the thought police looks like ladies and gentlemen. Stay strong.

Or you ever think these posts consistently show up all over Reddit so normal human beings see it and decided to comment pointing out the lack of evidence in any of the claims?

Hey good to see you again, thanks for following me!

Oh I didn’t even realize you were the same commenter! Burden of proof falls on the one making extraordinary claims. I said what I had t say. None of your so called evidence has any hard evidence as proof. Like I said it’s all grasping at straws. “Herp derp but muh evidence is muh beliefs”. I can put dumb shit in quotes as well to try and invalidate your thoughts

Don't lie

Says the guy perpetuating a lie started by the alt-right

False. You are perpetuating a lie. Pizzagate was started by concerned citizens across the board. I bet you don't even know when it was first brought to the public's attention.

When 4-Chan made it up and r/conspiracy thought they were being serious

4chan didn't make it up though :) FBIAnon did.

And then Wikileaks released their 3-phase plan. Phase 1 was a bunch of incriminating emails w/o the incriminating components. Phase 2 was filler. Phase 3 was turning the seemingly benign phase 1 and phase 2 emails into child trafficking incriminating emails.

I'm sure you haven't read any of them though and have no idea what I'm talking about. So hard to have an intelligent discussion with willfully disinformed people.

God I really can’t tell if you’re trying to be ironic with everything you say “so hard to have an intelligent discussion with willfully disinformed people”. I feel like I’m having a conversation with a brick wall. I point out flaws in your argument, you call me a liar. I say where the bs originated from, you say I’m willfully disinformed. Must be hard having someone challenge your worldview for once

You dont point out flaws you just ad hominem.

Nope I’ve pointed out all the flaws with your argument. I haven’t gone for a single personal attack, but you have

Okay here I gooooo

"I will continue to treat it like the ramblings of insane people"

"Or you’re retarded"

I can't believe you're a CNN apologist.

Also you haven't pointed out a single flaw! Show me one! You've just been shoving your fingers in your ears and saying "i can't hear you."

That was a reply to someone calling me retarded. Tell me the pizza shooter wasn’t insane. I pointed out none of your information is hard evidence. The picture of the hard drive is a computer case. Pizza sauce made with heirloom tomatoes is pizza sauce. Cheese pizza sold by a pizza place is cheese pizza. I pointed all of this out earlier and you said I didn’t read your comment

Whoa there buddy looks like you're getting upset and hitting buttons too fast.

Nobody who believes PG is true thinks that the shooter was legitimate. Find me one person who both supports PG and doesn't think the shooter was an actor. What kind of a fucking moron walks in with a gun and then shoots a hard drive because reasons?

I'm assuming you're also not well versed in money laundering or other criminal practices. Here's a thing on how restaurants and jewelry stores are the new hot fronts in mexico for money laundering

So, with this new information in your brain I hope you can understand how cheese pizza sold by a pizza place isn't alway cheese pizza. Especially when hackers find a way into the secure part of your pizza server (why do you have a password protected members only area for a pizza place? Uber deals?) and find a bunch of encrypted files that look like they're videos (judging by file size w.r.t. encryption)

Again, for the umpteenth time: just because you say something doesn't make it true. Just because you assert that in this instance the CP is Pizza and not CP does not make you right.

That was a reply to someone calling me retarded. Tell me the pizza shooter wasn’t insane. I pointed out none of your information is hard evidence. The picture of the hard drive is a computer case. Pizza sauce made with heirloom tomatoes is pizza sauce. Cheese pizza sold by a pizza place is cheese pizza. I pointed all of this out earlier and you said I didn’t read your comment. Sounds like you’re projecting exactly what you’re guilty of

The "evidence " y'all provide doesn't stand up to the mildest scrutiny. Thought police, give me a break.

Just because you say something doesn't make it trueee!!!

The "evidence " y'all provide doesn't stand up to the mildest scrutiny. Thought police, give me a break.

Um, a military assault? It's an internet forum fucking relax.

Most addicted city (over 100k visits total) Eglin Air Force Base, FL Literally a military base. Literally a military assault.

That's "average time on site" but many other cities have many more visitors per capita. Looks like there's nothing to do there other than work and sit on the internet. Or both, as is your implication.

But what would that matter? Either your argument stands or it doesn't. It wouldn't matter if I was a garbage man, KGB, or Donald Trump.

How likely is it that a lawyer who's lived by and eaten at Comet for years and knows J.A. really doesn't know anything about it and believes it's just a silly Alex Jones thing about their "neighborhood pizza place"?

Is this likely/possible? They are def. elite, kids went to Sidwell and then Georgetown. But so did a lot of federal workers kids. Could they really be clueless being neighbors of Comet and knowing JA?

The rape accusation was "privately verified" by mods before being deleted.

Wasn't just the person's identity verified, not any evidence?

Since this thread is full of doubt, disinform, and discrediters, I just want to remind everyone that NONE of the evidence has been discredited. It has been spurned, misrepresented, and made to look untrue.

I'm going to say it again. NONE of the evidence for pizzgate has been discredited.

If you believe the evidence has been discredited, then show me.

Show me the hotard being discredited.

Show me the children in the pool for entertainment being discredited

Show me the $20,000 beanie babies (aka "child porn") being discredited. (In spy parlance, this email in question is what's known as a "dead-drop" where the sender puts a coded message in either a hidden place, or on a public channel (in this case, an email list that podesta was on) and then bails. The recipient will get the message (or they won't) and then can act on it.) Show me Antonious being discredited

Show me cheese pizza being discredited

Show me CPP existing along known underground DC tunnels being discredited

Show me Antonius being discredited

Show me the pile of corneas in Haiti being discredited

Show me Laura Silsby (or w/e) trafficking children in Haiti and being bailed out by the Clintons being discredited

Show me Bill fucking Clinton rescuing child trafficking "filmmakers" from NK in under a week, but leaving numerous other US citizens, most recently Otto the 20-ish year old college kid, to fucking rot and die being discredited -- (Theory: (Before you froth at the mouth about lack of proof, remember you're on a conspiracy sub, theories are what the sub is built on) Child traffickers aka pizzagaters go to places nobody in the western world fucking cares about. Russia recently shut off its US adoption program because they likely suspect fuckery. Haiti got fucked. Africa in general gets fucked. Runaways get fucked. North Korea also gets fucked. US coalition of pizzagate sent traffickers to North Korea under the guise of "making a film." In the process of "researching" the film, they likely asked around about buying a child, "for filmmaking" of course. It's a pretty great cover. What's the difference between a child trafficker and someone making a film about child trafficking? Well I'd assume that the filmmaker doesn't actually buy the child, but once you've set them up with a seller it's not like the seller is going to come out and tell the public "hey this person didn't just interview me, they actually bought a child"

Show me the pile of bodies of everyone who has done true due diligence and found real truths being discredited

Show me the CIA covering for The Finders being discredited

Show me CIA and Hollywood collusion being discredited

Show me Hollywood having a rampant child abuse problem being discredited

Show me the total and complete media backlash against pizzagate to the point where they had to create the term "fake news" being discredited

Show me every news anchor who does an honest job of covering pizzagate being fired being discredited.

NONE of this has been discredited. Just because you say something doesn't magically make it true. Comments on pizzagate posts are filled with people denying the evidence. I've yet to see anyone who denies the evidence be able to actually hold their own against anyone who has done research. I've yet to see anyone who denies the evidence able to actually cite any evidence beyond the ones that they have talking points for (where'd they get those talking points I wonder!)

I will get hammered with downvotes but no discrediting. That's because bot farms can't counter facts, but they can artificially influence the narrative.

You can't "discredit" stuff like hotard because theres no evidence it was referring to the baby and not insulting the guy in the first place, and a grandma joking about kids being entertaining does not automatically = pedophilia

Show me cheese pizza being discredited

show me "cheese pizza" being used a single time in any of the emails

Show me CPP existing along known underground DC tunnels being discredited

Aren't they like 2ft wide drainage tunnels?

Show me Antonius being discredited

He's a gay icon(a gay god in fact!) not a pedo icon

Show me the pile of corneas in Haiti being discredited

Show me a pile of corneas to begin with? A box had corneas written on it, we dont see whats inside it(there are plastic corneas as well as donor ones)

Show me Laura Silsby (or w/e) trafficking children in Haiti and being bailed out by the Clintons being discredited

Everyone EXCEPT for silsby was bailed out with help from bill clinton.

Okay mr wise guy. Explain to me what hotard means without the baby.

RE: Tunnels - Does anyone really know? Would it surprise you that DC is covered with underground tunnels? In the age of satellites are you really going to say that DC doesn't hide any of its movements underground?

RE: Antonious - Not talking about the god. nt though

RE: Corneas - This one I agree takes some critical thinking. But pretend that you're in a place where an earthquake has killed 100000 people. Imagine how many more are wounded. Imagine how many people are broken, bleeding, missing limbs, etc. In what rational world does someone say "I know what these people need. They don't need blood transfusions or bandages or doctors, they need corneas! Better eyesight will surely fix the problem." Make of it what you will.

RE: Trafficking - okay great point? I agree the Clintons bail out child traffickers.

RE: Antonious - Not talking about the god. nt though

Did you even read that page? check "Deification and the cult of Antinous" and onward.

RE: Corneas - This one I agree takes some critical thinking. But pretend that you're in a place where an earthquake has killed 100000 people. Imagine how many more are wounded. Imagine how many people are broken, bleeding, missing limbs, etc. In what rational world does someone say "I know what these people need. They don't need blood transfusions or bandages or doctors, they need corneas! Better eyesight will surely fix the problem." Make of it what you will.

Ok, use your critical thinking, if they were harvesting corneas would they chuck them in a uncooled box under a table, and actually label it "STOLEN ORGANS" , and let a reporter into the area where they're harvesting organs? are they just stealing eyes and nothing else? was there a rash of people who lost corneas? the arguement that they didnt have the equipment to use donor corneas also means they likely couldn't be harvesting them.

RE: Trafficking - okay great point? I agree the Clintons bail out child traffickers.

They bail out misguided bible thumpers, they weren't convicted of child trafficking and the kids parents were OK with what they did because they didn't want them starving.

I did read, but clearly you didnt. I'll quote it for you though

"Lambert believed that the sculptures of Antinous "remain without doubt one of the most elevated and ideal monuments to pederastic love of the whole ancient world""

And what else did we have as a profile photo other than a bust of Antinous

Vout noted that Antinous came to be identified as "a gay icon". Novelist and independent scholar Sarah Waters identified Antinous as being "at the forefront of the homosexual imagination" in late nineteenth-century Europe. In this, Antinous replaced the figure of Ganymede, who had been the primary homoerotic representation in the visual arts during the Renaissance. Gay author Karl Heinrich Ulrichs celebrated Antinous in an 1865 pamphlet that he authored under the pseudonym of "Numa Numantius." In 1893, homophile newspaper The Artist, began offering cast statues of Antinous for £3, 10s. The author Oscar Wilde referenced Antinous in both "The Young King" (1891) and "The Sphinx" (1894)."

Do you have any modern references to him being used as a symbol of pedophilia? And again, its not like he had a picture of Hadrian as his profile. Hell, it could be neither given that antonius is the most common surviving figure in sculpture by a lot.

I just dont think the corneas are enough to go on, if the box got opened and actually had corneas in it(non plastic ones mind you) itd be harder to explain. You can't prove the corneas mean anything because you have nothing else than that unopened box, so how is it supposed to be disproven

Grandma joking about entertainment

"They will be in that hot tub for sure"

2 ft drainage tunnels

No they are the Dupont tunnels.

You cannot even get the quote right. You are not even quoting the exact words she used.

"They will be in that hot tub for sure"

a heated swimming pool is not a hot tub. Don't make up quotes if it's so ironclad pedo speak.

No they are the Dupont tunnels. it doesnt overlap with the dupont tunnels, the allegation is that other tunnels connect it to the dupont tunnels, and iirc those are old drainage pipes that are 100 years old

Respect.

Thanks. You too.

their losing and are afraid and are lashing out......

Why should anybody do this when you haven’t credited a single thing you mentioned? You offer no explanations at all there, no proof, nothing. So you’re demanding that people discredit a ton of Gish Gallop that you don’t source or reference.

You aren’t presenting a theory or evidence of a theory.

What’s more I guarantee that people have done this many times, you’ve seen it, and you’ve ignored what they have to say.

But tell you what, I’ll waste my time and play. I’ll expect you to offer a full refutation of what I say but only after you provide a full explanation of the theory behind each point and provide evidence.

Show me the hotard being discredited.

One commenter calling another “#hotard,” check your own source material.

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me the children in the pool for entertainment being discredited

The email doesn’t actually say that. But kids are entertaining y’know.

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me the $20,000 beanie babies (aka "child porn") being discredited. (In spy parlance, this email in question is what's known as a "dead-drop" where the sender puts a coded message in either a hidden place, or on a public channel (in this case, an email list that podesta was on) and then bails. The recipient will get the message (or they won't) and then can act on it.)

It would be $9,600 for the 480 $20 beanie babies. Was the email about free Coke, Coke Zero and bottled water that the same sender sent to the Announcements@law.georgetown.edu list also a dead-drop?

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me cheese pizza being discredited

A phrase that isn’t in the emails? Does it appear in relation to Comet Ping Pong a pizza joint?

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me CPP existing along known underground DC tunnels being discredited

Nobody even proved this. The closest claim was an abandoned subway station well away from the place.

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me Antonious being discredited

A gay icon. If you want to get into pedantry in the past then go protest at your local museum about all the filthy pesos they feature.

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me the pile of corneas in Haiti being discredited

Okay.

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me Laura Silsby (or w/e) trafficking children in Haiti and being bailed out by the Clintons being discredited

Okay. Laura Silsby was a baptist missionary doing baptist missionary shit, she was also convicted. It’s funny because she is the exact sort of person that would believe PizzaGate and you guys throw her under the bus like Edgar Maddison Welch.

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me Bill fucking Clinton rescuing child trafficking "filmmakers" from NK in under a week, but leaving numerous other US citizens, most recently Otto the 20-ish year old college kid, to fucking rot and die being discredited -- (Theory: (Before you froth at the mouth about lack of proof, remember you're on a conspiracy sub, theories are what the sub is built on) Child traffickers aka pizzagaters go to places nobody in the western world fucking cares about. Russia recently shut off its US adoption program because they likely suspect fuckery. Haiti got fucked. Africa in general gets fucked. Runaways get fucked. North Korea also gets fucked. US coalition of pizzagate sent traffickers to North Korea under the guise of "making a film." In the process of "researching" the film, they likely asked around about buying a child, "for filmmaking" of course. It's a pretty great cover. What's the difference between a child trafficker and someone making a film about child trafficking? Well I'd assume that the filmmaker doesn't actually buy the child, but once you've set them up with a seller it's not like the seller is going to come out and tell the public "hey this person didn't just interview me, they actually bought a child"

But you just made all this up and said so yourself? Euna Lee and Laura Ling entered the DPRK illegally, worse still they were journalists. Bill Clinton helped get them out.

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me the pile of bodies of everyone who has done true due diligence and found real truths being discredited

What?

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me the CIA covering for The Finders being discredited

I don’t know much about this, but:

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me CIA and Hollywood collusion being discredited

What collusion?

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me Hollywood having a rampant child abuse problem being discredited

Show us that it’s rampant, and:

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me the total and complete media backlash against pizzagate to the point where they had to create the term "fake news" being discredited

PizzaGate was a partisan smear job of the worst sort, accusing people of being pedophiles. That’s going to evoke a serious response. Your Google Trends link doesn’t show it being created, the two terms were used together because PizzaGate is fake news so of course they will trend together… If you can use Google Trends then you can use Google to find the term “fake news” being used long before PizzaGate, and during and after PizzaGate without reference to it.

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

Show me every news anchor who does an honest job of covering pizzagate being fired being discredited.

Show me one being fired and discredited, Ben Swann wasn’t fired. And of course he got discredited for pushing PizzaGate. The local affiliate he worked for were probably none too impressed with him using them to push his own abhorrent theories, amazed he wasn’t fired. Former RT guy who is an Aurora and Sandy Hook ‘truther’ along with PizzaGate.

Show me how that proves PizzaGate.

NONE of this has been discredited.

**NONE of this has been proven.

So much of what you've said is a lie I'm just going to downvote and move on.

Classy.

And so you show your true colours. Pathetic.

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

"Pedogate" is even easier to discredit. It's the most stupid shifting of goalposts to encompass everything even vaguely connected to pedophilia, even those things that don't involved it directly such as consensual trafficking of adults.

That's plain idiotic.

The teen boys that were raped by Dennis Hastert and the teen girls that were forced into prostitution by Jeffrey Epstein are by legal definition not adults. Both of these men are convicted criminals and both have gotten very light prison sentences for some reason.

Pedo-gate is simply the assumption that there are more than two of these rich and powerful people in existence.

Yeah, no comment on those facts. I thought so.

There's nothing substantive to "discredit". You simply have nothing.

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

You're the one using psyc 101 terms to defend a pizza gate conspiracy theorists. No one is or ever will be impressed by the guy who runs in and is like "yes you made a good point... but what if you were talking about yourself the whole time!"

It's fucking childish and is honestly not better than "nu uh you are!" When used in the context of internet drama. Fuck off and stop defending the guy who's trying to dox a little girl.

All of your posts on Reddit are you arguing with someone. I really think you need friends.

I think Pizzagaters are pedophiles. I mean i have no proof at all of that accusation, but there is also no proof that they're not pedophiles.

I win

I love God, checkmate athiests

Do you get paid for this? If so, how can I get on the gravy train?

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

"Lambert believed that the sculptures of Antinous "remain without doubt one of the most elevated and ideal monuments to pederastic love of the whole ancient world"

Alefantis's profile photo was of a bust of Antinous. Using logic, Alefantis's profile photo was one of the most elevated and ideal monuments to pederastic love in the whole ancient world.

Vout noted that Antinous came to be identified as "a gay icon".[99] Novelist and independent scholar Sarah Waters identified Antinous as being "at the forefront of the homosexual imagination" in late nineteenth-century Europe.[100] In this, Antinous replaced the figure of Ganymede, who had been the primary homoerotic representation in the visual arts during the Renaissance.[101] Gay author Karl Heinrich Ulrichs celebrated Antinous in an 1865 pamphlet that he authored under the pseudonym of "Numa Numantius."[101] In 1893, homophile newspaper The Artist, began offering cast statues of Antinous for £3, 10s.[101] The author Oscar Wilde referenced Antinous in both "The Young King" (1891) and "The Sphinx" (1894).[101]

Using logic, his profile picture was one of the most popular examples of a gay icon in the whole ancient world.

No, not using logic. You are making an unsubstantiated logical leap. The profile picture was literally a sculpture of Antinous. The quote about pederastic love was specifically about sculptures of Antinous. You are assuming that this instance of a sculpture was intended as "gay icon" and not "pederastic ideal" when Alefantis's exact sculpture was indeed one of the very sculptures considered "pederastic ideal."

Your logic is flawed. Close, but you are making an unsubstantiated assumption.

Lol did you even read what I quoted?

In 1893, homophile newspaper The Artist, began offering cast statues of Antinous for £3, 10s

You are assuming that this instance of a sculpture was intended as "pederastic ideal" and not "gay icon" when Alefantis's exact sculpture was indeed one of the very sculptures considered "gay icon"

You're logic is flawed. You're making an unsubstantiated assumption

pizzagate really triggers me please watch football

drink some of the water supply

Oh jesus Christ talk about another giant ass nothingburger

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

I don't think its any secret there are very wealthy men around the globe trading in underage girls and I wouldn't be shocked one bit if our current President has participated based on his past statements and his association with guys like Epstein. That being said Pizzagate has been COMPLETELY debunked to the point Jones was forced to post a public apology and to continue to associate it to Podesta and Comet PingPong Pizza and Alefantis are just silly and disingenous. In short there is NOTHING about Pizzagate that was real....period

and my original point was that pizzagate not being proven (under a legal system controlled "by the powers that be") should not in any way be allowed to discredit pedo-gate.

holy fuck your cognitive dissonance is off the charts ...let's try this again pizzagate will NEVER and I mean NEVER be investigated because it has been thoroughly debunked. What would be the point of investigating a totally made up conspiracy nut-job piece of bullshit? We might as well investigate Chupacabras or Sandy-Hook truthers. Furthermore, pedogate has nothing to do with Podesta, or Alefanti, so to continue the two names is just your narrative bullshit, but hey I would LOVE to see the current administration investigate Pizzagate, so we can all laugh at another ridiculous gaffe by the president.

You are not using the concept cognitive dissonance correctly.

Didn't finish college huh? Yeah, if I had not finished, I guess I too would be happy to have a job at Shareblue.

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so basically you have nothing

Removed. Rule 10.

You are not using the concept cognitive dissonance correctly.

Didn't finish college huh? (Offensive accusation removed)

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Jeezus fucking christ, I wish we could bottle up all the massive time and energy Americans spend on Pizzagate and Russiagate and apply it instead towards dire domestic issues.

No wonder the USA is so far behind other countries in terms of single payer healthcare, labor rights, etc. -- The American public is so easily hooked by the mouth and led around to any distraction created/perpetuated by corporate media and/or slimy think tanks.

That's the real conspiracy and real tragedy for average Americas.

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE.

Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

People like former speaker of the house Dennis Hastert who is still in jail on his very light prison sentence.

People like Dennis Hastert are being controlled by sexual blackmail. They will not improve healthcare, they will not give us labor rights, they will not give us anything we really want because they're being controlled. Until we fix the blackmail problem inside the US government, no problems will get fixed.

People like Dennis Hastert are being controlled by sexual blackmail. They will not improve healthcare, they will not give us labor rights, they will not give us anything we really want because they're being controlled. Until we fix the blackmail problem inside the US government, no problems will get fixed.

You think the main reason corporate politicians (Dems and GOP) don't improve healthcare is because they're pedos who're blackmailed not to?

If that was the case big pharma, the insurance industry, etc. wouldn't bother bribing them. Why waste their money? Dennis Hastert was against single payer because like many others, he's a sociopathic scumbag that's put bribes ahead of lives. This sociopath also happens to be a pedo, no surprise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor#Testing_the_razor

Good old lobbying money, sure.
Paid speeches. Known. Bribery. Sure we know they all exist. That does not mean that some are being sexually blackmailed. A man does not need more than two or three vacation homes. Bribery has its limits. Threatening a man's life or freedom is the ultimate control mechanism.

Besides Hillary Clinton, can you name the next democratic politician who was more supportive of the disclosure existence of aliens?

Hint, it was a guy who had his emails leaked...

Still don't know? It was John Podesta. Since the emails, he has said little about disclosure...

Paid speeches. Known. Bribery. Sure we know they all exist. That does not mean that some are not being sexually blackmailed.

I used to work in DC and witnessed and dealt with lots of shady shit going on in the background, but pedo rings wasn't one of them.

Bribery has its limits.

You've obviously never worked in DC.

Besides Hillary Clinton, can you name the next democratic politician who was more supportive of the disclosure of the existence of aliens?

I don't care.

Dennis Hastert... close friend of the Podesta brothers "This sociopath also happens to be a pedo, for 30 years...no surprise there."

Billionaire friend to Trump and the British Royals, Jeffery Epstein.... "Another sociopath also happens to be a pedo", got a very light sentence....no surprise there.

Anthony Weiner -congressman and husband of Huma Abedin, Hillary's long the assistant. Convicted of sex crimes with minors... no surprise there...

Jimmy Saville, friend to the royals, sex crimes covered up for 30 years by police and the BBC....no surprise there either

Edward Heath, Former British prime minister and friend to Jimmy Saville, his sex crimes are still being swept under the rug. NO SURPRISE THERE!

What does it take to surprise you?

You're using guilt by association and other logical fallacies while avoiding my point that there'd be no point in using money to bribe people if they were all being blackmailed by pedo evidence.

No surprise there.

And you will not acknowledge my point that bribery works for most people but not for all people in all cases.

Would you kill a random stranger for $10,000? No? What if he was a heroin dealer? Still no?

If I told you that I had a recorded video of you raping a 10 year old boy and they I was going to send it to the police unless you killed a guy, would you do it? What if the guy was a heroin dealer?

Do you think a multi-millionaire would take the $10,000 to kill a random guy? No way.

But anyone capable of raping a 10 year is going to open to being blackmailed into murder.

Why would anyone rape 10-year olds? Well you can ask Jimmy Saville or Edward Heath but you can ask Dennis Hastert and that football coach from Penn State.

I may only know a little about D.C., but you know next to nothing about sex criminals apparently.

Well all the familiar faces are here to discredit you and blatantly brigade this thread. I dont need any other proof it's real than to see the reaction this thread got. Good job OP you brought all of them out.

Right? It's insane how fast and furious they come in the morning and then they're all gone at the end of the day...

It's almost as if people sit on the Internet at work, then go home and make food and do other stuff!

Glad to see you're back from eating then

Uh, it's the same thread dude. I scrolled through the thread.

Yeah you aren't crazy. They are so obvious and it's always the same people who get mass upvoted even though they have the unpopular opinion. It doesn't even make sense with the upvotes and you only see the amount they get on threads where these topics need to be discredited by powerful people.

Of course the mods are in on it since they do nothing about the brigading and the obvious shills and just ban their legitimate user base for calling out the share blue talking points that are copy pasted all over Reddit.

NotAllMods

I wouldn't worry too much about the mods, most of them do what they can with what they've got. It's hard to identify the shills. The shills are also really good at getting people to break the subreddit rules and get banned. Sneaky shills.

Agree it's super obvious on threads where someone has something to lose.

so we should start making them lose.

I don't know if PG is real or not-it seems a bit like a deflection from the very real issues of missing children and trafficking, and a history of CIA/FBI cover-up-look up "The Finders" in DC. It's possible the CIA even uses pedophilia as a form of blackmail for politicians-I would not put anything below those in power.

You get it

it's like looking into a 5 dimensional onion......

It is possible to discredit pizzagate but, that does not discredit PEDOGATE. Yes, actual crimes were committed, actual victims exist and actual people are in jail.

Can we just talk about the irony of people who spend 90% of their time looking at kiddie porn on 4chan, then turn around and accuse others of doing it?

This is just more fucking projection from the same 'ol people.

Til: no evidence of being a pedophile means you're 100% a pedophile, and that person should have every aspect of his life exposed (despite being a private citizen). Doxxing a racist is beyond the pale, and should never be done for any reason.

Is this an America only sub now?

Didn't Think so.

You are free too go wherever you want so if you don't like here go somewhere else.

I can second this

Ahh. You again. We saw how things went last time we had a convo.

Please provide a link as, and this was most likely due to how generic the conversation was, I don't remember talking to you in the past.

That post has got nothing to do with comet ping pong.

It appears you provided the wrong link. Can you edit in the correct one please?

Here's your warning for rule 10.

Wtf....

Yeah, and you're probably one of them. Anyone who screams about it as much as you is trying to divert attention from themselves.

welcome to r/conspiracy, The_Dumbass 2.0

ALL have been discredited. People like you walk into a family pizza place with guns to threaten an innocent business owner. Disgusting.

Nah there really aren't. It's just filled with idiots like yourself accusing others of being shills. Like seriously this has to be one of the most shill free places on all of reddit. Why would anyone pay people to try and sway the opinions of the literal human filth that visit here daily?

drink some of the water supply

The big irony of the satanic panic being pushed here is that the satanic panic historically was a method used by Christian elites to try to keep religious masses in control and unified against political enemies. People are trying to rehash a long standing tradition of mass control via religion.

It's impossible to tell someone's intention on a reddit post that solely contains the racist joke. I admit that I sometimes make inappropriate jokes (like when I say that Obama committed the crime of being black while presidenting, to highlight the absurdity of people who actually make that claim), but the totality of my posts on this site would hopefully show that I'm not a racist, or that I at least try not to be (there's always some inherent biases due to privilege, which isn't to beat people over the head about it, it's just that you don't always know something's wrong if you never experience it in a negative context.) If all my posts were "absurdist" takes on racial jokes, then how can you tell the difference between me, and a racist who's posting those joke non-ironically?

Vout noted that Antinous came to be identified as "a gay icon".[99] Novelist and independent scholar Sarah Waters identified Antinous as being "at the forefront of the homosexual imagination" in late nineteenth-century Europe.[100] In this, Antinous replaced the figure of Ganymede, who had been the primary homoerotic representation in the visual arts during the Renaissance.[101] Gay author Karl Heinrich Ulrichs celebrated Antinous in an 1865 pamphlet that he authored under the pseudonym of "Numa Numantius."[101] In 1893, homophile newspaper The Artist, began offering cast statues of Antinous for £3, 10s.[101] The author Oscar Wilde referenced Antinous in both "The Young King" (1891) and "The Sphinx" (1894).[101]

Using logic, his profile picture was one of the most popular examples of a gay icon in the whole ancient world.

Just admit you don't know what I'm talking about because you haven't done as much research.

It was global in scale from day 0. FBIAnon literally said they were going to show evidence of a global trafficking ring.

The Podesta codes simply do not hold up under very basic scrutiny. Walnut sauce? Please.

So you believe that walnut sauce is code for what is claimed?

So is the email code legit in the Podesta emails? Walnut sauce? Pizza? Hot dogs?

You're lying because you think it's funny? Glad you've admitted to lying. No point continuing a conversation with someone who admits they're a liar.

On the upswing. At least their obvious mass-shilling is making it easier to identify the scripts.

This thread has been a field day for spotastrotrufing's archive team.

Removed. Rule 10. First warning.

Please don't spam the same comment.

Yeah, no comment on those facts. I thought so.

Those "pedo" symbols are very commonly used without connections to pedophilia. But the Pizzagaters don't want people to know about it because it doesn't fit their predetermined conclusions.