Is it Legal to Overthrow the U.S. Government?

7  2017-07-07 by [deleted]

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You are labeled as a Domestic Terrorist.

But what about the 2nd Amendment?

It doesn't exist. Again I say Seth Rich. Many of American Prisons are clearly just new death camps.

Good way of putting it haha.

2nd Amendment is one of the few rights we still have left. I've got a gun on me right now; you appear to be doing something wrong.

Depends on which state you live in.

Not true.

Have you ever had to quarter a soldier?

3rd Am Says, "You're welcome!"

Not if you win. If you lose, yes.

The American Way since 1776.

You know, there is some deeper truth there really. American culture values winning very highly. We think that if you win, you are right. Its why we fight and argue about everything. I think its in our American DNA to think that if we win, were right and if we lose, we are wrong.

This very much sums up a big part of the psyche of the US.

It is only illegal if you lose.

You heave to distinguish two very different things. Does this law imply the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA corporation or the Sovereign Republic that is the United States of America. Because the former is a foreign Corporation unconstitutionally ruling over the latter.

Do you know of a clear, concise source that explains this difference?

Thank you!

You're welcome. Also, check out Jordan Maxwell if you haven't. He been researching this for over 50 years among many other topics.

Maxwell is a suspected Freemason, be careful.

He himself is not a Free Mason to my knowledge. He has said that he has the protection of someone on the council of 33 though. Which is very interesting to say the least. True or false? I'm not sure. That being said, not all occult societies are "evil". There are white and black majick mystery schools.

That being said, not all occult societies are "evil".

There are very few not directly under Masonic control. I recommend "Scarlet and the Beast" or Bill Cooper's "Mystery Babylon" for good breakdowns on this.

There are white and black majick mystery schools.

Almost all of the white magic is either bullshit or under control of the Masons. Groups like Wicca, New Age, etc. are masonic.

Yes, many of the well know ones are for a reason. However, there are hundreds if not thousands of societies that most people do not even know about. I'm also not talking about Wicca or New Age, those would fall into the black majick schools that we know about. Many of the white majick comes from the Far East.

They are somewhat correct, but it's not going to change anything. It's not like a judge is going to say "oh, you're right" and throw out your murder rap.

Is this something that lawyers even study? I've been friends with a few, and this subject never sparked any real conversation.

I'm not a lawyer, but I've never heard of it being discussed in law school. You should familiarize yourself with the bullshit they teach at law schools, however, especially in Constitutional law.

Treason is punishable by death.

Which is why revolution against this treasonous government is justified.

Only if its lower treason. High Treason is ignored on the daily.

Treason

is an internal thing, only those that hold offices can commit treason.

Legal and possible. The stealing of elections, and refusal to remedy by the courts, provides sufficient basis for revolution.

Tactically, it's not a good idea. You'll have a blood bath with no assurance of a good result. Better to be targeted in your efforts.

What a great article. I'm sad I never saw this last year. It makes me so mad seeing all those facts again. How can anyone believe that our democracy is remotely legitimate? How does anyone have faith in voting?

Legality is a mercurial thing.

But yes, any sane actions would be regarded as an act of terrorism by most of the population.

Do you really have to ask?

It's common sense. If you get rid of a domestic enemy who hijacked our government like you see now, it is your human right to do so.

US Military Commissioned Officer Oath Of Office

[Emphasis mine]

All commissioned officers in the United States military must make the following oath of office when they are appointed in the U.S. Army, U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy or U.S. Marine Corps:

“I, (state your name), having been appointed a (rank) in the United States (branch of service), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

What is the Military Officer, a man of WAR, swearing to Support, Defend, and Bear True Allegiance to?

To his superior officers? To the President? To Congress? To the Supreme Court?

No, his oath binds him in loyal service to ONE THING: The Constitution of the United States, and he is sworn to DEFEND the Constitution and the Principles it represents against ALL ENEMIES - some of which might, in theory, include those who would disregard, undermine or betray the Constitution under the PRETENSE of authority.

The following article from US Marine Corps Base Quantico explains the rationale quite clearly:

The difference between Oath of Office, Oath of Enlistment

This concept traces back to the intentions of the Founding Fathers who created our governing system with a separation of powers and series of checks and balances between the three branches. This ensures no single branch or person gains too much power and becomes corrupted. By swearing allegiance to a set of ideals and laws, our military is not bound by the orders of a single person, but are dedicated to the defense of the people and their way of life.

[...]

Officers [and politicians], especially at higher ranks, have a unique position of authority and influence within the organization that could be taken advantage of for political gain. Swearing loyalty to the Constitution instead of the president or any other person means that officials cannot manipulate officers in order to gain control over the military and become dictators.

The intent is to ensure our military fights in defense of the people and their way of life instead of being misused for political gain. Article 90 of the UCMJ allows for legal disobedience of unlawful orders for both enlisted and officers.

The officer’s oath acts as another safeguard against power corruption by not swearing obedience to the president or other officials, but rather to the Constitution.

Semper Fi indeed.

I think there's a lot of possibility that some brave souls could attempt to not pay their taxes and sue the US gov't on the grounds that the US Gov't has seceded from the Union. Given that Princeton has scientifically shown that the US Gov't isn't actually a democracy, it's an oligarchy it would then follow that the US Gov't doesn't represent the people of America. Thus, by continuing to fraudulently hold office these members of government have implicitly stated their intent to exist outside the consititution, and have thus seceded from the Union. A US government that has seceded from the union is not a real government and thus has no right to tax revenue.

Who wants to go first?

Well said. I'd go. But not alone.

Q. What Document is held as the Supreme Law of the Land in the United States of America?

A. The United States Constitution (including all Amendments thereto)

Q. What are the first three words so prominently displayed in the Preamble to the United States Constitution?

A. "We The People"

Q. What Document defines the framework of United States (Federal) Government, and describes and delegates those Powers that the Federal Government is authorized to exercise?

A. The United States Constitution (including all Amendments thereto)

Q. To whom does the Constitution delegate ALL powers NOT SPECIFICALLY delegated to the Federal Government, as set forth in the Constitution?

A. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Q. Does the Governmental body now claiming Authority over the United States of America adhere to the Constraints (limitations of Powers) as delegated and defined under the Constitution?

A. ??? [Well, does it?]

Q. If the Governing body now calling itself United States Government has overstepped its Authority by exercising powers that were NOT delegated to it under the US Constitution - the Supreme Law of the Land - can said body continue to claim Legitimate Authority under the Constitution, or has forfeited its Legitimate Authority?

A. ???

Q. Who retains the Power to determine whether the Governing body now calling itself United States Government is in fact Legitimate, and if it is found to have fallen into Illegitimacy, who retains the Right and the Power to enact any Corrective Measures that may be required to restore Constitutional Legitimacy?

A. We The People


Have you ever studied, or even read the US Constitution and its Amendments? Surprisingly few Americans have, yet they BLINDLY TRUST that the leaders will obey and adhere to the limitations placed on them by this document.

Here a link to the Full US Constitution AND all of the Amendments thereto.

It's not long - about 8,000 words (12-15 printed pages) - INCLUDING all Amendments, and the embedded annotations at the above link.

Read it. You may be surprised to find what is in there - and perhaps more importantly, what isn't.

Every holder of Federal Office - from President to your local Mail Carrier is required to take an oath, swearing to "support and defend the Constitution" when taking office.

Do you think that our leaders, the President, the Vice President our Senators and Representatives have read and studied the US Constitution and its Amendments? How many of these do you think could pass a simple, high-school level EXAM on the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the subsequent Amendments?

Do you think they even care?

Then again, if you don't, why should they?

By far the best comment so far. Thank you.

this is a ridiculous post

They are somewhat correct, but it's not going to change anything. It's not like a judge is going to say "oh, you're right" and throw out your murder rap.

Well said. I'd go. But not alone.