Government murders baby

9  2017-07-29 by [deleted]

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*British baby Charlie Gard, who was at the center of a legal battle that captured the world's attention, died Friday, one week before his first birthday

*Charlie was born on August 4, 2016, seemingly healthy. But two months into his short life his parents noticed his health was declining. They took him to London's Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children in October where he remained at least until Thursday

*He was diagnosed with mitochondrial DNA depletion syndrome, a rare inherited condition that causes muscle weakness and loss of motor skills. Charlie was the 16th person to ever be diagnosed with the disease, according to his parents

As the disease progressed, Charlie became weaker, losing the ability to move his arms or legs or breathe, and he experienced seizures. *He was then placed on a ventilator that was breathing for him**

*Through their own research, Charlie's parents, Chris Gard and Connie Yates, found a doctor in the United States doing research on an experimental treatment called nucleoside bypass therapy who was willing to treat Charlie

At the end of January, Charlie's parents launched a GoFundMe page to raise money to bring Charlie to the United States for that treatment. In three months, they exceeded their £1.3 million ($1.65 million) goal to cover the costs, *but the hospital stepped in and opposed this effort, stating that it was not in the best interest of their patient

In February, the hospital decided, based on Charlie's status, that treatment was unlikely to benefit Charlie. Unable to agree, *the hospital went to court to have a judge decide, hoping to be able to remove Charlie from life support

In April, *the UK High Court ruled that it was in the infant's best interest for his treating clinicians to remove the ventilator keeping him alive. That decision was then backed by the European Court of Human Rights in June, which ruled not to intervene in the case. This was upheld by a British Supreme Court decision that the hospital could discontinue life support to Charlie and he could not be transferred to the US or elsewhere. The emotional case then went to the UK High Court last week after the hospital requested another hearing to consider "new evidence relating to potential treatment for his condition."

*That new evidence, came in part from Hirano who testified that there was an 11% to 56% chance Charlie could show clinically significant improvement if treated. Hirano came to London, evaluated Charlie and spoke with those who had been treating him and other experts. Hirano came to London, evaluated Charlie and spoke with those who had been treating him and other experts

*On Monday, Charlie's parents gave up their fight to take Charlie to the US after new brain and muscle scans revealed their son had deteriorated and was therefore less likely to benefit from the experimental treatment, while his doctors and parents battled in court. Too much time had passed.

*On Thursday, with the hospital and Charlie's parents still at an impasse, the judge's order to remove life support and move Charlie to hospice took effect

*Mummy and Daddy love you so much Charlie, we always have and we always will and we are so sorry that we couldn't save you. We had the chance but we weren't allowed to give you that chance. Sweet dreams baby. Sleep tight our beautiful little boy," Charlie's parents said in a statement after they gave up their fight.

TL;DR - nasty government wouldn't let this family get lifesaving medical treatment for their baby, orders the baby's breathing tube removed.

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I remember hearing about this.

There's a significant difference between 11% and 56% chance of making any sort of improvements. I don't lean heavily one way or the other on this topic because I can see both sides.

there is only one side and one point, the human side and the human point, which is that if there is any chance whatsoever of saving a life you do it, period.

At what cost to the patient? Do you know the phrase quality of life?

At what cost to the patient?

The cost to the patient, an adult Charlie Gard saved by the treatment would have grown up with no memory of this time and would tell you he is grateful that there was never an evil breathing-tube removing government that prevented his parents from giving him the treatment that saved his life.

You aren't even thinking real basic. Like human basic. Let's imagine you are in nature and see a Pride of Lions. Bunch of Lionesses and their cubs out on the savannah. One of the cubs let's say - has something in his eye, and the lioness goes to clean it out with her tongue, as cats do in nature. But before this can happen, a pack of hyenas comes out and separates the lioness from her cub, and prevents her for a long time from doing that thing which would heal her cub - and then the cub dies from infection/whatever.

Is that a raw enough analogy to you? You can go from any point of evolution, or animal or human - you do not mess with the family. You do not mess with their ability to care for their young. That is an offense, even when committed by the government - that deserves immediate, lethal recourse. This is absolutely unnacceptable and if anything is grounds for immediate storming of government and violent execution and removal and replacement of all of them, this is it! Where is your outrage?

Do you know the phrase quality of life?

The baby did not have the ability to communicate that it wished to endure some more pain for a time for the possible outcome of becoming cured and having a future life! What makes you think that a brand new life would ever choose to give up so easily - and why would you give up on it? And what does you giving up on it say about you?

I can't even be bothered

pounds of flesh for your stiff upper lip

you are fucking delusional if you think this treatment would give charlie a chance a making it to adult life.

it not a cure. his cells will still not generate energy and he will would decompose while being trapped in his body. Pile this on top of the other severe organ failure.

this kid had it really really really fucking bad.

you are fucking delusional if you think this treatment would give charlie a chance a making it to adult life

it doesn't matter what you or i think about the chances of this treatment are to save Charlie Gard's life. Charlie's parents wanted to get the treatment to try for a chance, but were blocked by the government.

do you understand that the parents of a child are the decision makers for their child's care, and here they were prevented by the government?

Parents of a child are not the ultimate decision makers for their child's care. This is true in US and UK and EU.

Read here: https://reaction.life/charlie-gard-facts/

It explains the opposing argument

the ultimate decision maker

the children, the people, are not Caesar's - and will not be rendered unto him.

Excellent article braking down the facts.

Thanks for the link.

Here we go

do you understand that the parents of a child are the decision makers for their child's care

So if a parent rapes their child ites their right and the government had no right to intervene?

That is the logic your using. Go to sleep

you should call the FBI or local Child Protective Services and give them all your info and ask that question that is what i recommend for you

But muh government bad

Parents know best

But muh government bad

Parents know best

you say that in sarcasm implicating you believe the opposite to be true:

But muh parents bad

Government know best

No not at all

You are against governments having rights over a child that parents know best

Just using your logic

You are against governments having rights over a child

Yes, of course!

Your ignorance on this issue is so astounding that I can only assume it isn't genuine and therefore you are spreading this misinformation out of malice.

The cost to the patient, an adult Charlie Gard saved by the treatment would have grown up with no memory of this time

What fucking fairytale wonderland are you living in? Do you know literally anything about Charlie's condition? He would sooner have sprouted wings and flown to the moon than grown up into a healthy adult.

He had a better chance of

It doesn't matter what he had a better chance of.

In fact, inside of your statement is the admission that he had a chance.

The only thing you are debating here, is a game to try to convince other that his chance was not worth it - that the government's decision was correct to block treatment and the parents had no right to try for that chance.

"Jupiter" and the other comments that came in the flurry ... it's clear to any conspiracy lurker that you are not natural, what you advocate for is not natural. You are exposing yourselves and your accounts. I know why you are doing what you are doing. I see you.

I know why you are doing what you are doing. I see you.

Fucking nutjob, STG.

Hey had the same cance with his treatment at surviving as he does with god performing a miracle and curing all of his ills the moment life support was turned off.

You speak the righteous truth, Life is sacred. Life is worth fighting for. Keep speaking the truth

lifesaving medical treatment

That's not what the treatment is. It is a lab rat experiment to attempt to restore minor brain function. This has never been performed on any living thing AND the doctor who was going to do the procedure told the family it wouldn't help their child very much after examining Charlie.

That's not what the treatment is. It is a lab rat experiment to attempt to restore minor brain function. This has never been performed on any living thing

did you read the article? i don't think you read the article.

from the article: "The treatment used as part of Hirano's research has only been used on a couple of patients with a less severe form of the disorder."

So no, it is not a "lab rat" treatment, and has been used on "alive humans"

AND the doctor who was going to do the procedure told the family it wouldn't help their child very much after examining Charlie

again, did you read the article? i don't think you read the article.

from the article: "their son had deteriorated and was therefore less likely to benefit from the experimental treatment, while his doctors and parents battled in court. Too much time had passed"

Also no. this disease stops cells from being able to generate the energy required to function and live

this is what mitochondria do, what are you arguing about here - you are just restating in different words.

TL;DR - a random redditor comments quickly on this post, so that the sheeple who read reddit will look only at the headlist of the post, then their eyes dart to the first comment ( which is this nasty, negative one ) and vote accordingly while bleating baaa baaa baaa, totally missing the entire point of the article ( and not even arguing or addressing it, mind you - clearly a slide )

. No animal or human with Charlie’s condition, RRM2B deficiency (“RRM2B”), has been treated with NBT and therefore an application to the Rapid Response Clinical Ethics Committee was prepared in January. NBT was and is a possible treatment for GOSH patients suffering with TK2 deficiency (“TK2”), a similar genetic disorder, but there is a crucial difference between the two conditions. TK2 affects muscle (and is treated with 2 compounds) whereas RRM2B affects muscle, other organs and brain (and would be treated with 4 compounds – see GOSH’s Position Statement of 13 July, paragraph 18).

literally from the hospital's statement

ok ok ok we get it - if your baby was in this exact same situation and was offered treatment with a chance to help them in lieu of death you would refuse. real class act human being you are - way to fight the good fight!

You're attempts to move the goalposts before finally falling back on ad hominem attacks are really stark. I can practically envision you throwing up your hands and stalking away, shouting this over your shoulder.

What else am I supposed to conclude, than you would do the exact same as the position that you are fervently arguing in support of: That you would celebrate the government deciding what treatment you could give your baby, you would be so happy with their wisdom to replace yours, along with any hope and chance of life for your baby - because you would understand and agree with your own argument - that your baby was in pain and the best thing to do would be to put it down - and put it down fast! yank that breathing tube right out from the beginning, that way it wouldn't have had to languish the entire time while you foolishly tried to get a treatment done which probably had a small yet very real chance to heal your baby - but nah! naaaah!

in lieu of death

This wasn't going to help him not die.

Why would the government kill one baby in the limelight?

I don't like using this kinda question normally but you wrote a lot of words that happened but don't explain why you think the government killed a baby? Especially GOSH, they are an amaizng hospital!

If you want a "conspiracy" Look here

https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/6p9fmy/great_ormond_street_issue_statement_on_charlie/

Just fucktards trying to make a buck no matter who they hurt

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you don't get it.

you and /u/nimsauce are arguing the same irrelevant point - because you both miss the point.

you are both arguing that the treatment itself wasn't going to be successful, or wasn't a valid treatment, etc.

Yet both of you don't address the fact that it's the right of the family to get that medical treatment for their baby, even if it is a small chance to help. It is their small chance to take, not the government's right to prevent them from their chance.

Here's a scenario: Your wife/dad/close-one is laying on the hospital bed. Doctor says here i can give them this injection that has a small chance to work. You agree, of course - as there are no other options, and you are determined to try everything to save their life. Right before the injection happens, a governmnent man comes in with a gun and points it at your head and says that you are not allowed to have the injection given and to remove the life support system.

But why would I expect anyone from the UK to care about anything like this, you have lost all morality in your country, God is dead there, you have no freedom of speech, and cameras outnumber the people - a true nasty voyeur society, whose only emotional outlet is football - sad, pathetic.

  1. At the first hearing in Charlie’s case in March, GOSH’s position was that every day that passed was a day that was not in his best interests. That remains its view of his welfare. Even now, Charlie shows physical responses to stressors that some of those treating him interpret as pain and when two international experts assessed him last week, they believed that they elicited a pain response. In GOSH’s view there has been no real change in Charlie’s responsiveness since January. Its fear that his continued existence has been painful to him has been compounded by the Judge’s finding, in April, that since his brain became affected by RRM2B, Charlie’s has been an existence devoid of all benefit and pleasure. If Charlie has had a relationship with the world around him since his best interests were determined, it has been one of suffering.

you don't seem to get just how awful this kid's condition was. This isn't cancer. This isn't ebola or aids or paralysis, or muscular distrophy. This kids entire existence is torture and pain

So the government preventing the family from getting treatment that could potentially cure the condition and remove the pain is actually correct because this is a decision for the government not the parents?

And while the government is blocking the family to be able to get the treatment, the baby's condition worsens along with it's chances and along with that pain of existence you keep talking about: in this case the government was the torturer and executioner.

You go straight to "remove the breathing tube!" "don't let the family get the medical treatment that they are going to pay for and the doctor agreed to do!" "just let 'it' die intead!" "it's not worth it, not worth trying!" "put it out of it's misery, like a broke leg horse!" "throw it off the cliff, dash it on the rocks!" "the government decides what medical care you are allowed to give your child, not the parents"!

oh wait, that last one ... now i see why this thread is getting so much resistance. because it logically connects to vaccines. mandatory vaccines - and you are shills of that whole clusterfuck. gotcha - "government forced healthcare is good, it's just a pinprick, then the pain is over" is your mantra. i see you.

So the government preventing the family from getting treatment that could potentially cure the condition

Holy shit, no it couldn't. No one claimed that. The doctor who offered the treatment didn't claim that. There is no cure for this condition. At best the treatment could have maybe halted the deterioration of Charlie's muscles - not his brain, because when used to treat patients with similar conditions the treatment had been unable to cross the blood-brain barrier. So the miracle-case scenario for this treatment was keeping Charlie's body alive on life support for a few more months while his brain gradually turned to soup.

At best the treatment could have maybe halted the deterioration of Charlie's muscles

A lot more could have been done sooner if the government did not get involved.

How do you think any progress in medicine happens, you never know there could have been miracle that happened in the meantime of helping his muscles with some other treatment used etc - you never know! And if there is something that can help in the meantime it should be used to help, there is no reason to hasten death and it sounds like it would have been more humane - even given your argument about medical limitations - to let his brain melt to soup as you say than have that happen plus the muscle issues and breathing tube removal. It is easy to use your own argument's emotional foundation to show you how your own argument is disingenuous

The main concern is that of the patient NOT the parents.

Great Ormand Street has a great track record, they do their very best to help many children.

The patients suffering/pain is number one concern.

If you read what I posted the US doctor had not seen any of the patient details so could not make a sound judgment. Just wanted some fame and money

besmirching the doctor's intentions to provide treatment for the baby is a way to attempt to deflect and avoid blame from your nasty nation's culture of law that was on display here for the whole world to see in shock and disgust.

if the baby is in pain, let it go get treatment!

the family had it all paid for in january, even!

time was ticking here, the baby's life and chances declining, while the courts blocked his treatment!

best chance for success would have been immediate no delay treatment!

there should have never been any government impedence to this family getting medical treatment for their baby, no UK high and supreme courts, no EU human rights commisions, no judges, telling this family no, ever, period!

Why you hate England so much?

The main concern is that of the patient

The patients suffering/pain is number one concern

So, anyone goes to the doctor with a tummy-ache and should be prescribed asphyxiation via death panel because that is how you remove the suffering and pain of the patient, which is the main concern?

The main concern of the patient is the preservation of their life - not the cessation of their pain. Sometimes you have to go through pain in order to not have pain. Whatever you are talking about makes no sense, which is why you are now asking me about why I hate England - as if I need more of a single reason than the murder of Charlie Gard?

This situation is a weathervane of the wind of the death of humanity. Be alarmed. You should be rightfully alarmed. Sound the Roosters.

You can't follow my logic?

No wonder you equated a tummy ache to acute illnesses

You can't follow my logic?

Why do you hate babies so much? Are you one of those twoxchromosomes normalization of abortion propagandists? A clump of tissue, a parasite - is what you think is here at this point, a snot in a kleenex, just kill it - there is no soul, no god - only science, just take the breathing tube out kinda guys?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Dude chill out. Step away from the computer.

You are throwing too many assumptions around to even begin having a debate that will benefit us.

is that not an accurate and thorough synoptic follow of your logic?

feel free to provide new information.

Dramble was accurate.

What is your logic other than arguing for the supremacy of primacy of ownership of people by the government?

I am oppositely arguing that the supremacy of primacy of ownership of people is the people themselves ( I, my agency, belongs to myself, not the government, for example ) - and in the case of a baby of the people, that supremacy is with the parents of that child, not the government.

Dramble?

fused ramble onto drabble, in self-awareness, since you asked.

back the the point - unless i am your point?

What is your logic other than arguing for the supremacy of primacy of ownership of people by the government?

Are you Sheldon from big bang theory?

More of a Jeremy Hillary Boob, Ph.D

Right on.

Preach it.

100% correct.

That "hospital" practiced euthanasia not medicine get it right

100% friend-o. I wish I had a bot-net I'd spam this UP into oblivion.

Yet both of you don't address the fact that it's the right of the family to get that medical treatment for their baby.

Maybe because that's not true? Children are not property. They are individual people with their own rights, and parents have a responsibility of care for them - not a "right" to do what they want with them. In this case the parents wanted to use their son as a lab rat, and the judge concluded based on all the available evidence that doing so would give him no benefit and carried a risk of causing him greater suffering.

the judge concluded

why are you OK with a judge even being involved in this at all is the real question here for you. let's see if you headbob the judge when it is your baby that they won't let get treatment - or are you a more equal animal - or a liar, or both?

why are you OK with a judge even being involved in this at all is the real question here for you

Oh yeah, why do we need the opinions of doctors and judges and all these experts in "medicine" and "the law" and "child welfare"? My mate Terry down the pub says that if I hold my kid underwater for five minutes every day it will make him grow up strong, so I'm going to do that because it's my right as a parent to do what I want with my personal property.

and judges

and judges?

When I go to the doctor there is no judge that decides what treatment i can and can not get, if i have the money to pay for it and a doctor wanting to do it.

Why are you saying that a judge should get between a doctor and his patients? Insanity! You must like golf.

Why are you saying that a judge should get between a doctor and his patients

The baby was the patient, fucktard.

The baby was the patient.

So the baby agreed to not have the treatment and have it's breathing tube removed?

Not the parents.

Yet you are arguing that the government has authority here over the parents, in regards to the patient: their baby.

If the government/court system can dictate the medical treatments of your child then the government/court system owns your child.

Yup. We are owned at birth, via our berth certificates.

We should go with out our system, where if your baby is sick.

They die because you can't afford to pay for it, and if you do, they die and you're left with lifelong debt.

Yay.

If they want you dead before you are born... What makes you think they will want you alive, after you are born?

The worst part of this story was how much the media cared about one baby yet keep quite on all those killed in Yeman etc

This story was nothing more than distraction. As horrible as it is kids die every day of illness.

and if they only banned plastic fishing nets and replaced with hemp - think of all the marine life and ecosystems that could be saved.

your comment about children in yemen somehow making this story "nothing more than a distraction" is pathetic. go post a thread about Yemen children if they are so important to you and get your slide off of my thread.

"kids die every day"

oh shit, that's true so hey, looks like it's open season to do anything to children, because they die anyway! oh well, fuck it!

what a joke! you could say that about anthing: { insert Yemen + talk about how XYZ thing happens every day anyway somehow = justification of original slid topic }

and your blatant topic slide is top rated post, along with other comments arguing in favor of the government owning your soul.

reddit sure has gone to the shitter!

it's OK though, because many more read all of this thread, including all the comments - and you never see their upvotes because the vast majority are not logged in. Those that are logged in are mostly shills, so the upvote/downvote count is meaningless - it's just a psychological weapon that i have disarmed because i understand it for what it is.

many will read this and they will understand, and this will be communicated outward into the universe. i win, you lose.

The media treated his death as a tragedy but ignore other needless deaths if you can't see the link there then you are on the wrong sub.

Wow this place really is T-D lite, isn't it?

OP Seems to have been pretty thoroughly btfo, so nah

That post title is a complete lie and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. The baby had an incredibly rare, degenerative, incurable genetic disease. The "treatment" that was available would not have helped. The doctor who claimed it had a chance of helping Charlie did so before bothering to actually look at any of his medical records, and when Great Ormond Street Hospital invited him in January to come and examine the baby, he failed to do so. He only actually showed up in July because the judge ordered him to do so, at which point he admitted that Charlie was beyond help.

These parents were in massive denial, chasing an impossible dream of having a healthy child, and their pursuit of that dream could have ended up causing even greater suffering for Charlie - who would have been dead months ago were it not for the machines he was hooked up.

The courts made the right call, and the people who hijacked this story for their own political agenda are absolute pieces of shit.

These parents were in massive denial, chasing an impossible dream of having a healthy child, and their pursuit of that dream could have ended up causing even greater suffering for Charlie

So the right of the government is to remove your dreams? They have authority over your own dreams, now? Your baby is on the ground, heart not beating. Doctor comes out of the crowd, says he knows CPR. You say please do this thing to save my baby, even if there is only a small chance it will work. Then the government man comes in with a gun and steps between the parents and the doctor, and prevents any access to the baby. The baby is dying, heart not beating - the parents are screaming at the government man with the gun to move move move out of the way and please let the doctor through. The doctor says please move if you move i can start to try and the sooner the better. The government man with the gun doesn't move. He sits on the baby and smothers its chest until it stops breathing, and tells the parents and the doctor and all the horrified onlookers that he just did a very good thing by putting the baby out of it's misery.

Oh shut up. If the facts of the case actually supported your argument, you wouldn't need to keep concocting daft analogies about different babies in different situations.

you sure are suspiciously emotionally invested in your position that the government should be able to block parents from getting medical treatment for their babies. why is that?

you sure are suspiciously emotionally invested in your position that the government should be able to block parents from getting medical treatment for their babies.

I don't know if you're trolling at this point, but yes- I get emotional about dying babies being caused unnecessary additional suffering, and absolute pieces of shit like you capitalizing on that suffering for the sake of some stupid political agenda. You are deliberately ignoring everyone who has explained to you why the treatment had no hope of working. I do not understand how you can find so much glee at the news of a baby dying after a short and agonizing life. What the hell is wrong with you?

I get emotional about dying babies being caused unnecessary additional suffering

hey by that logic: "we are all dying the moment we are conceived, and therefore all life should be exterminated at conception to prevent unnecessary suffering as buddha said life is suffering therefore the solution is no life" do you hear yourself? you are like that apocolyptic singularity AI nightmare elon musk talks about - a program code gone wrong from misinterpreting different datasets and becoming the biggest threat to humanity.

Had fuck all to do with the government do some research

I have terminal cancer and the doctors tell me I will be dead in 12 hours. But some dude told me that if /u/Reddit_Admin_Chatbox punches themselves in the face really really hard, I will be cured. The UK government tells me that's wrong but fuck that nasty government amiright? Help save a life, punch yourself in the face, stick it up to the government. /s

My hero.

Stranger, if you really did have terminal cancer and would be dead in 12 hours and punching myself in the face really really hard actually had even the remotest of chances to cure you - I would do it.

Then do it, jusy in case it's true.

You fail to mention (or maybe you don't know?) that the trip to the US would have been too hard on Charlie. Additionally, the treatment would have, at best, only prolonged his suffering. At what point shouldn't someone stand up for what's best for Charlie? We expect that to be the parents but, as a parent myself, I know we aren't always in the right frame of mind to do so.

No, the government shouldn't be in charge of our decisions but this is not the case on which to build a foundation for debate. In regards to Charlie, the judge saved the parents more grief than they realized and did what truly was in Charlie's best interest.

If you want instances of government making the wrong decisions in regards to children and parents, look no farther than Child Protective Services in America. There you will find stories that will rip your heart out and make you so angry you want to punch someone.

You have painted an extremely biased picture of the facts here to support your notion that government were responsible for the death of Charlie Gard.

The NHS were seeking ethical approval for nucleotide treatment until Charlie suffered a series of catastrophic seizures around December 2016. At which point the people in the most informed position , the doctors treating him, made the decision that it was not in Charlie's best interest to continue with any further treatments.

The parents disagreed, the courts were used to make an impartial decisuon. The judge had one factor in mind, the welfare of the child. They looked at the evidence available and agreed with GOSH. The parents refused any further MRI scans, and the doctor offering the treatment refused GOSH's invitation in January to come and examine the child himself, or as it transpires read any of his contemporaries medical reports. It also transpires that he holds a financial interest in the treatment.

There was no verifiable evidence that the treatment would have any effect, and a greater body of solid evidence that Charlie was experiencing pain and in such a fragile, irreversible state that moving him to another continent would pose a very real risk of causing him further prolonged suffering, and and even worse demise than he already faced.

GOSH saves, prolongs, and improves the quality of life of thousands of horribly sick children every year. It also makes the hard decisions, like this one, of when the best path for a child is as untraumatic and least painful death as possible. The idea that they would wilfully do something not in a child's best interest is absurd, and an insult to the staff and other families who go they interact with.

M U R D E R

That's it? That's your response? Charlie's condition was the cause of his death, nothing and no-one else.

But if you want to debate in that way I'll indulge you just this once,

I D I O T

M U R D E R

there is only one side and one point, the human side and the human point, which is that if there is any chance whatsoever of saving a life you do it, period.

Why you hate England so much?

But muh government bad

Parents know best

you say that in sarcasm implicating you believe the opposite to be true:

But muh parents bad

Government know best