There sure doesn't seem to be any voting manipulation anywhere ... it has 200-something votes over six or eight hours. I would love to hear an explanation of why this and other stories that criticize Dear Leader Donald Trump get put into contest mode but no other threads ever do?
It goes against their narrative, but it be too blatant to actually remove it like they'd like. Next best is to stifle discussion by setting it to contest mode.
We are experimenting with possibly putting all current political related posts into contest mode via Automoderator in the near future. The posts that have recently been put into contest mode by mods are somewhat of a trial of this idea.
The details are still being worked out and debated. It might not ever materialize into anything at all.
We are all quite sick of seeing the RNC/DNC spam that gets posted here daily. And the thoughts behind Automod are that the posts going into contest mode will help to deter those who create the threads as an agenda and deter those who post politically biased comments for upvotes.
As I said it is still a work in progress at the moment. Does anyone have any feedback regarding Automod and political posts? Ideas?
That's one of the points of debate we are having. This also isn't a /r/politics 2.0 or T_D 2.0 either and many of us and you guys (the users) are sick with the poor content.
You are deliberately being condescending with your posts in order to paint a skewed picture.
The irony is palpable.
No amount of fancy language and tricky accusations will stop the majority of people from laughing at how incredibly bias and one sided this sub has become.
You're "curbing" posts that don't fit the narrative here.. you're literally helping censor stuff that doesn't fit the clear cut conservative agenda around here.
And you're treating the viewers like they're too fucking stupid to see it..
It's honestly really funny from the outside looking in.
Nope, there's real conspiracies going on at the highest levels of government that we should be discussing.
But when one side has circumstantial evidence based on blogs and unsourced ideas.. and the other side has multiple government agencies investigating, a special counsel investigating, the senate and house investigating..
I think we can all use our brains to figure out which was are valid, and should be taken seriously.. and which ones we can ignore.. or put into contest mode.
Well if you're seeking out that one-sided discussion, you should check out r/politics. That's been their thing since about August 2nd of last year. As much partisan hackery as you could possibly dream of and more!
Ah, the source junky. You will fit right in over there. All the big names in media are covered extensively.
Here, we discuss theories (not necessarily news), which is probably why you've been so hostile to the concept of opinions that don't match yours. This may seem pretty off-putting to you, but there are people here who talk about 9/11 being an inside job. As you can imagine there is not much coverage of that theory on CNN, but it's a very intriguing conspiracy and we discuss that here.
Well since you bring it up, I just saw some interesting evidence that the guccifer leaks came from a DNC insider. And yeah I think 9/11 may have been an inside job. There is a lot of material out there on 9/11 though. I am open minded about it.
You also have the official NIST report from 9/11. What can someone like me say in the face of such overwhelming authority?
You're not a conspiracy theorist at all and you're not interested in anything that goes against what you've been told. Come talk to me once you realize your government is capable of lying to you. Until then have fun trying to change hearts and minds across the internet. There low hanging fruit won't be found in this sub.
I was saying that you're not a conspiracy theorist at all, that you only believe what you are told and to come talk to me when you realize your government is capable of lying to you.
It doesn't censor things in the sense that it removes them.. It removes the ability for the community, or outsiders even, to know what the rest of the community actually feels. It takes the validity away from any good arguments and allows manipulative or false arguments to look good.
There's no way to discuss, analyze, share info.. if everything is random and there are no votes.. it's pointless to even have a conspiracy sub.
When you can manually decide which topics the community can eaisly discuss, and which they can't.. you're limiting the ability to freely discuss whatever is relevant... If the mods side one way or the other, they can simply create an environment where it is impossible to effectively share info on one topic, but not another.
His point wasn't actually about contest mode. That was just another example of a larger issue with this sub in that it gives the appearance of being extremely right leaning.
marveling at how incredibly bias and one sided this sub has become
Go look at the empirical evidence (vote totals and comment patterns) and TRY to prove this in any way. Your opinions are a joke. The saddest thing is watching you try to speak reality into existence when you just sound like a fool.
We aren't, this is a recent development within the last few days. I suppose that I am the first one to comment about it. I asked for some feedback within this thread, please provide any thoughts you have.
We aren't, this is a recent development within the last few days. I suppose that I am the first one to comment about it. I asked for some feedback within this thread, please provide any thoughts you have.
Few days that is at least 48 hours if I am being generous then you mention it in a post about something else without your Mod flair. That kind of does make it look like it is being done in secret.
Sticky a thread and do this all out in the open for multiple days to give everyone else a chance to see it.
We aren't, this is a recent development within the last few days.
Are you a new mod? Cause this isn't the first time this has been done and this isn't the first time this sub came under attack for appearing to bury the Russia story.
It's a little concerning that you are acting like you are unware of the subs current reputation on Reddit.
he's talking to you right now about it. how can you justify saying they are doing things in secret? They are the mods - should they be holding an open forum in a coffee shop somewhere?
he's talking to you right now about it. how can you justify saying they are doing things in secret? They are the mods - should they be holding an open forum in a coffee shop somewhere?
They should pin a post so we call all talk about it.
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i really do appreciate the awareness of it. I have been critical and I want to see things handled fairly, even if contest mode is annoying to read (its a ton of clicking and you cant just scan a thread)
if its going to be used, fine, but lets be even handed please
How can they be even-handed when the manipulation is only happening to an extent where it actually matters on one side?
Show me entire threads derailed by 100+ upvoted comments that just deride other users and offer shitty hot-take comments and jokes? I don't see this happening in any other space.
and where are all the pro-Trump comments voted up over 100 votes that you guys keep talking about? I can't find them. So what are we talking about with 'even-handed' action? Any thread about Trump - pro or anti - gets hit hard by both sides. It's just clear one side is pushing a lot harder than the other. To act ignorant of that betrays your genuineness.
How about letting people have their own opinions instead of trying to paint entire communities (almost half-a-million strong) with a single stroke of the brush. It's plain stupid - anti-intellectual would be an overstatement. Explain to me again how this place is T_D 2.0?
Or is that just you projecting things because you are constantly cat-fighting with Trump supporters?
Contest mode doesn't stifle any user's opinion. They are free to comment as much as they like. In fact, they have a better chance of actually having their comment read, as they don't have to compete against people on their 9-5 and bots anymore.
the only people who seem to have a problem with contest mode are all the recent users who have shown up more and more. I don't see any stalwart of the community getting bent out of shape - just the new people.
Rule 10 states "Posts that attack this sub, users or mods thereof, will be removed. Accusing another user of being a troll or shill can be viewed as an attack, depending on context. First violations will usually result in a warning but bans are at the mods' discretion."
Since attacking isn't defined and I have been told by a mod that posts saying negative things even if factual can be considered attacking will my response to your statements result in me getting banned?
People are scared of getting banned. The mods are so ban-happy these days on anything they disagree with, people are scared to talk about what's going on. It's incredibly ironic.
Can you not set posts to "new" instead? Wouldn't that stop brigading but leave conversations more intact? Contest mode hides too much and constantly mixing up the posts makes it hard to find quality posts.
Most notably, it rewards people who spam bullshit comments. Someone posting a dozen comments a second means they're going to statistically appear most often at the top of the comments upon refresh. There is one notable user who does this.
Wow, was gonna say something how totally organic your comment history was but I see someone already pointed out that your first comment in this sub is from an account 7 days old and you've been shitting in here non-stop since. Enough said.
How is this poor content? It's the juicest conspiracy of my lifetime and a major figure in the conspiracy just had his door kicked in by the FBI a day after talking with federal instigators.
And I don't think that should be ignored. However, that does not mean it should be expected that a conspiracy subreddit won't buy into the narrative the MSM is pushing.
Well I suppose Trump is an element of the powers that be, but do you consider it out of place for a conspiracy sub to think there are Shadow brokers that really run the show? Or is this place now expected to be lockstep with /r/politics?
No, it wouldn't be out of place. What is out of place to completely dismiss a very real conspiracy that happened to be picked up by msm bc it doesn't feed this sub's mods' narrative.
Well, as a person who has been a long time lurker and occasional poster on this sub, and as someone who is very anti-Trump, I disagree. It's people demanding belief in the MSM who seem out of place.
You really think the average Joe's belief in the MSM is unjustified?
The amount of actually fake news from Fox, Breitbart, Drudge, Infowars, etc. is astounding. And very rarely do they ever correct their articles or retract them except when faced with a lawsuit, while left leaning media organizations seem to be much more proactive and at least try to report facts.
It's fun to hate on the MSM because they skew left, but at the end of the day, the alternatives aren't much better.
I am not entirely sure of all the posts which have been put into contest mode since this started but I do believe that left learning posts already have been included.
If anyone has a compilation of the posts, I would like to see the list, please.
The post about the lawsuit against Fox regarding Seth Rich was put in contest mode when the overwhelming consensus was the conspiracy didn't hold water.
They don't determine 'contest mode' candidates by topic - they do it by voting and comment behaviors. If the thread is acting strange and there are clear signs of manipulation happening, should they ignore it?
That's not an explanation. That's something they might do in the future.
When they first announced contest mode, they said it would be used when certain threads saw strange jumps in traffic and voting out of nowhere - which is usually a sign of vote/bot manipulation. If they have the same amount of page-views between 2 threads and one is seeing 500% more comments and votes than the other, it's normal to look into that and try to combat manipulation.
All this spazzing out is over what? why is contest mode so offensive to discussion? All it does is slightly inconvenience the user so that they aren't being fed a steaming pile of bought opinion. For anybody who is truly only interested in having a conversation, this is a non-issue. For anybody who takes an interest in shaping the narrative or trying to convince people of their own (ego-worship), this is hugely offensive.
So which side of things do you sit on? Is the ability to see things 'in order' more important than preserving chaos? Or should we just take our pills like the doctor says and let everyone have an equal shot (aka pay to play). It's not an easy situation.
We are experimenting with possibly putting all current political related posts into contest mode via Automoderator in the near future. The posts that have recently been put into contest mode by mods are somewhat of a trial of this idea.
I'll give you that - they are working on new policies and trying stuff out. With that said, I still stand by my comment. They look at vote and comment behaviors as well.
Maybe for other posts. In this circumstance, it was part of a trial based on content, as has been admitted by ShellOilNigeria. If it was due to nebulous point and comment behavior (still waiting for evidence on this point since it seems normal to me), I'm sure he would have said differently.
He was also on his mobile and had to eat dinner with his family. I don't know if he had access to the information he'd need to prove that to you, or if that's stuff he is free to share.
I guess we'd have to hear from the mod who put it in contest mode to be sure.
I don't know if he had access to the information he'd need to prove that to you, or if that's stuff he is free to share.
I mean, he didn't even say it was for that reason. This isn't even about not having the evidence. He literally confirmed that this was due to trial of a new policy.
Could be, but we've only received one reason. I don't really see a need to speculate further. If the mod who put the post into contest mode was going to state his reason, he would've done so by now.
What is so inherently evil about contest mode? The only people who could possibly give a shit about contest mode are those who are here for business/money reasons and to those whose egos are so large/fragile that they give a shit about imaginary internet points that are easily manipulated?
but do you really think its the topic that brings the option to the mod's mind? Or do they suddenly see strange activity and look into it? I don't see evidence that the mods are unfair unless it was the same mod every single time on the same issues. That hasn't been the case tho. People can't even come up with examples where it should have happened. The people crying foul have nothing to cry about - it just shows how effective 'contest mode' is to manipulated responses and vote patterns.
Imagine if you're a guy running an 'online opinion shaping' team and the thread you have poured 30 minutes of work into goes into 'contest mode' - you would be livid. 30 mins of your work would have been ruined, and you're too invested to just drop the thread. It makes for bad business, and that's why i'm all for 'contest mode' anytime there seems to be irregular comment/voting patterns.
political makes more sense to me if those are the two options on the table as it's 24-hr cycle driven and easy to pander to, but I think it should be used on any topic in which comment sliding and vote manipulation trends are showing.
Again, I think it should be conditional on the behaviors in the thread - not on the topic of the thread. Going by topic is foolhardy because it is not the root issue here.
we'll see how the criteria changes or evolves. I know it started as a vote/comment stat & manipulation thing, but maybe they are debating contest for all topics because all the shills are whining like crazy cause they aren't gonna get more money for their business if we keep doing contest mode.
With that said, if we do contest mode for everything, we end up down a weird, different hallway of censorship which also sucks.
I think the contest mode criteria should be set by behavior in the thread in question. I understand they are testing doing it by different metrics, but I think the way they have been doing it (non-test) is the best way. I haven't seen too many threads that should have had it enabled, and I haven't disagreed with any time it's been used so far.
I was just acknowledging it was a test. are you implying this is a confirmed change and something they are doing for sure? you are attributing meaning to things that do not hold it.
Can you point to any behavior in the thread in question that you would say is vote/comment manipulation?
From previous mod comments, when they have 2 threads with similar clicks and views but one has multiple times the traffic and extremely high vote totals come in during very small windows, it matches behaviors explained to them as an outside influence or 'brigade'.
For myself, this makes perfect sense. It's only in these hyper-partisan threads do the comments get to such crazy high numbers due to all the sliding and the hot air being huffed at one another. It's not consistent with the community's behavior, so why should I assume it is genuine?
Why aren't you giving me an answer? you're going back to your claim that it's not irregular but you can't show me a post from the last 5 hours that has as many upvotes as this. It's a popular post, and if there are metrics or criteria that made it go to contest mode - fair enough. It's very clear there is manipulation going on, and that's coming from a long-time user.
Do they? I work so I don't post during the day that much... Don't a lot of other people have jobs as well? So who are these people who are only online during the day?
I work too, but right now most people are asleep. Not sure what to tell you. If you want, I'll follow up tomorrow when a post hits 250 upvotes within 5 hours.
massive amounts of comments in a short amount of time attacking other users and breeding division?
So why do you feel that post should have 'contest mode' enabled? We were talking anti-Trump vs pro-Trump and you gave me a cannabis thread. Nobody is going to argue against cannabis in 2017 except conservative fuddy-duddys. You are not being fair in your argument.
We were talking anti-Trump vs pro-Trump and you gave me a cannabis thread. Nobody is going to argue against cannabis in 2017 except conservative fuddy-duddys. You are not being fair in your argument.
I have no idea what you're trying to say any more. You say it's not about topic, then complain that the example I gave you doesn't count because of the topic. I give up.
Why aren't you giving me an answer? you're going back to your claim that it's not irregular but you can't show me a post from the last 5 hours that has as many upvotes as this.
When did you ever ask me for a thread where contest mode should have been activated?
I keep asking what all this 'outcry' is about, and I keep getting told that contest mode is only ever activated when it's on one side of the partisan spectrum (anti-Trump).
So I am asking you - anyone - where is the egregious example where things were clearly not fair? Where was contest mode not enacted when it should have been?
If you are going whine, bitch, and cry about things, I feel like you should at least be able to give me an example of it actually happening.
so all use of contest mode is 'controversial'? It's so new its only been used like 15 times. What are you using as a reference regarding its controversial index?
Do you see the difference in behaviors? One thread has about 5% comments to upvotes. The other almost has the same number of upvotes as comments.
This is behavior that can sometimes mean there is manipulation happening. Why are people 20x more likely to be commenting in one thread over the other? It shows both a different conversation and a different audience. This is the 'difference' i am referring to.
When contest mode first came into use, the mods said they were using it in context of thread behavior, like comment and vote totals that are not consistent with regular board behavior.
If we have non-political conspiracy posts with a 5% comment to vote ratio, and then all the political posts have massive comment sliding and engagement ratios that are completely out of whack with reality, we can deduce that there might be something fishy going on.
Do you think that 'opinion shaping' doesn't happen online? Do you think that 'shills' and 'brigades' are imaginary? Don't you think it's very possible that they only show up for certain topics?
No, the mod said they were testing using contest mode for EVERY political post, but he did not say that was the only criteria by which they use contest mode.
Look back at the first time they used it. The mods were clear - it has to do with vote/comment totals and strange behaviors on the board. When a thread seems to be hit by influencers, they activate contest mode to try to disrupt it. How is that a bad idea?
Again, the mods didn't say what you say they did. You are pretending that they base this stuff on only one factor, which is not true from what I have seen from the mods.
Also, the mods are in open conflict. Whatever mod you spoke to may not represent the whole.
Why don't they influence up votes as well?
Because people don't come to /r/conspiracy for politics. That's why /r/politics and /r/The_donald exist. We are trying to push back all of this paid manipulation - the fact that you cannot see that shows you are just a partisan hack like the rest.
Why are you being pedantic? Mods never said the only reason they use contest mode is to test out marking off every political post. Now you are putting words in the mods mouths. It is just one part of the criteria.
Mods never said the only reason they use contest mode is to test out marking off every political post. Now you are putting words in the mods mouths.
Did you just put words in my mouth while complaining that I'm putting words in people's mouths? Don't think I ever said this is the only reason they use contest mode did I?
Then why are you arguing that point? You keep talking about how its all about topic, when the mods said they were testing putting every political post into contest mode. Now you are backing off it. Stop wasting everyone's time - you have nothing of substance to bring to this conversation.
you have brought it up repeatedly in response to me saying there is more criteria to it. Were you playing dumb and giving me leading questions the whole time?
There is no point in continuing this. You will not stand for your own opinions, and you have no interest in having a constructive discussion. It's too bad. Have a good rest of week.
not getting huffy, just tired of never getting to the point and trying to converse with you when you just backpedal everything... you spent 6 comments saying that the reason the mods put contest mode into play was because it was a political topic, and now you're claiming you never did that. It's dishonest, and frankly, I think you're just trying to distract me from having conversations with others.
I'm not here to convince you. You are not here to be convinced. You are here for other reasons.
you spent 6 comments saying that the reason the mods put contest mode into play was because it was a political topic, and now you're claiming you never did that.
Only for this particular post. Which I said because Shell Oil confirmed that.
You sound pretty huffy to me. You keep trying to put words in my mouth, and it's pretty annoying.
why are you so focused on semantics here? why are you not interested in actually continuing the discussion? like I said, you are just trying to bait me, and guess what? it's all good friend.
I just don't think we're going to get anywhere by continuing this - I haven't seen you actually try to have a real discussion. Considering we are about 20 comments into this and only you and I are still reading it, I don't think it's magically gonna start happening now.
I'm trying to have a real discussion, but you keep accusing me of backpedaling on things I never said. It would be easy for you to produce the proof, but you refuse to do so because it doesn't exist.
What is so inherently evil about contest mode? The only people who could possibly give a shit about contest mode are those who are here for business/money reasons and to those whose egos are so large/fragile that they give a shit about imaginary internet points that are easily manipulated?
I don't care about contest mode in the context of that statement. We were talking about those who were complaining about contest mode as 'caring'. Once again you misrepresent me. Peace bro.
All this spazzing out is over what? why is contest mode so offensive to discussion? All it does is slightly inconvenience the user so that they aren't being fed a steaming pile of bought opinion. For anybody who is truly only interested in having a conversation, this is a non-issue. For anybody who takes an interest in shaping the narrative or trying to convince people of their own (ego-worship), this is hugely offensive.
Are you trying to shape the narrative? If you weren't, you would support contest mode for every post.
why are you trying to push black or white thinking on this?
The situation you are trying to make me answer doesn't exist. We don't need contest mode for every thread. I said it should be determined by behavior. Learn to read.
go and create your own reddit then with every thread in contest mode. you can go fill a niche. you might also understand why it's unnecessary for every thread. I'm not arguing for extremes here like you are.
there's your reason. there are more, but that's a good one. novelty. its fun doing the upvote/downvote thing when there aren't paid teams of bots/people trying to use that novelty against people as an information weapon. This is why contest mode exists - it is a tool to combat manipulation.
because you don't get feedback on what you are saying. I don't have a problem with upvote/downvote. I have a problem with paid intervention and manipulation. Sorry if that offends.
And here we have a perfect example of someone who isn't here to talk conspiracies, but rather politics. Then just enter a textbook Shareblue diversion and viola:
This place is t_d 2.0
Hillary lost, it's over. Let's now completely ignore Hillary and her associates illegal/immoral actions, including flooding the internet with shills or when she cheated to win the Democratic nomination.
LMAO SURE! I'm all for that bc the shills hardly hit the important threads. It's funny, whenever there is a user sourced thread that connects the dots, the shills downvote hard as fuck but never show up in the comments... Yet when WaPo puts out more bullshit propaganda, they show up in full force. Not apparent AT ALL
I think it's going to be very difficult to separate political conspiracies from non-political conspiracies. At some level, just about everything posted here is political. For example, is Seth Rich a political conspiracy theory? On one hand there are people who believe that it's a simple investigation into an unsolved murder. On the other hand, it's been a central part of pro-Trump messaging for the last year. I just think it's going to be more trouble than it's worth, and you're going to catch criticism no matter what.
Also, how have these trial threads been chosen? I don't to to the front page here very often, but I don't remember seeing a contest mode thread that wasn't a bad story for Trump
In regards to contest mode (I bought this up before to another mod), can you guys sticky a comment explaining why you made the decision when you put a submission in contest mode, so people can discuss it in the relevant submission.
They want to use automoderator so it's out of they hands, and you want them to go through and label each one? What are you one of my English teachers? That's what the community's comments are for.
Automod is able to sticky comments. Contest mode completely shuts down new discussion because no one can find other people talking about specific things, meaning every time Contest Mode is used, no one can discuss it. If they are going to harm new discussion like that, yes an explanation and the ability to freely and easily discuss that should be made possible without the community having to make new submissions like this one to do so.
Just stop with the sarcasm for a bit please. It makes me think you dont take your job seriously. I get that you dont get paid and take alot of abuse. But the sarcasm is not helpful, especially right now.
Feedback, flair posts as political and add filters. That way if users themselves don't want to see political posts the users can decide whether or not their posts related to politics are removed or kept out of sight.
As it stands, all threads that are being put into contest mode are ones directly connected to Trump. Its really obvious that there are efforts being made to stop users from posting about him.
For a place that prides itself on allowing people to discuss ideas, this current modteam is doing the opposite when its about the president.
First of all, thank you for actually responding and offerimg some insight into the decision.
To me (and I am sure others) this just smacks of an attempt to silence any criticism of the president, which is especially disturbing action for a conspiracy theory board that should always be critical of those in power.
Contest mode has only been used on stories critical of trump, and the DNC related stories posted at this point are pretty much entirely spam.
To me it sounds like a good idea to put all political threads into contest mode. The worst thing about this sub is that it's overrun by shills from both sides pushing their atupid narratives. I want to have a discussion, not get downvoted into oblivion because I dared to challenge the narrative on whichever thread SB / CA is currently brigading.
You can still have your conversation. Im willing to engage with people that get downvoted. And often I receive upvotes, so I know others are reading it.
And you can still have your comment hidden by downvotes in contest mode, so it doesn't change your situation.
I think you are not being fair in determining what creates 'contest mode' conditions.
You are saying it has to do with the topic of discussion. However, I would argue that is just the results of the real effect.
The real effect that determines the mods use of contest mode is voting and comment behaviors that are inconsistent with similar threads and historical norms. If they see behavior that is consistent with manipulation efforts, it makes sense to activate something like contest mode.
When you claim that contest mode is only ever used in a single context, that might be because there is only a few influences that are actually powerful enough to trigger it's action. Go and post a pro-trump article with some substance to it and see how many comments and votes roll in. Then go do the opposite and see what happens. I think that's the difference - the type and intensity of attention. The reason other topics don't set off 'contest mode' is because they don't generate enough interest to even notice they are there.
Then why has it been all posts following a certain narrative that are set that way? For a true test wouldn't it be all of the political posts for a set time?
Thanks for being open and upfront. I personally do not like contest mode. Its tiresome to have to expand to read all comments. I would rather see a one post per topic rule. No duplicate posts, etc. But I honestly dont know how much work that would be.
I mean people still vote in contest mode, so vote manipulation is still possible.
And what about users that spam threads with off topic posts? I tried to report one but I dont really see any rules against this. Is it possible to do somethimg about this? I check some of these histories and I see one month old accounts with like -200 Karma. Can you just stop accounts like that from posting? If someone really feels like they need a throwaway account on this sub, at least make them put some effort into their comments or building up their throwaway
The more I think about it, Im ok with hiding the vote counts.
But I like to read most of the comments like an ongoing conversation, scrambling the order makes it impossible
Ahh, anything besides harmless Ancient Aliens or JFK assasination theories gets pooh-poohed as a "political" conspiracy by safe-space whiners and the paid help.
But actual conspiracies with people in power today that people can take action about now - yeah so sick of those posts! /s
I like the idea. Im sure its frustrating as F for the people who fall on one side, or the other of the hegelian dialect. But this is a place for free thinkers. People who should be able to see both sides of the coin, with no need to chose.
I really don't get why they would do it so late after it's been posted too! At first when I saw this thread, I expected it to be a joke. But nope, just our standard evenhanded modding.
I'm sure the "reason" will he brigading again, but everyone knows that's bullshit.
Ahaha just checked out u/nusyahus profile.. Who is constantly posting in r/enoughtrumpsam, that's cute 😉 I bet "people" like you are the reason that Americans went and voted against that Treasonous cunt. Thanks for handing us douche bag Donnie!
Ahaha right... Bc censor the dude calling out said shilling only to allow said shilling. Cool story bro. Please do tell us, how deeply you care about this community of "free thinkers"
Once, it was plenty for me, but please, back to your attempts to derail this thread. If you were more welcoming, perhaps people would take conspiracies outside of the Trump-Russia one more seriously?
Seems like it; you can search his username on the modlog (https://snew.github.io/r/conspiracy/about/log) and find that Flytape approved that comment again. Creq seems to try and get some actual moderation in while other mods undo his work by unbanning previously banned spammers and re-approving comments previously deleted for breaking the rules. For example, MAGABolt was banned by Creq twice, and twice unbanned by DronePuppet.
Looks like a shit environment to try and be an actual moderator without an agenda.
I can't get that link to work on mobile unfortunately. Thank you for looking and confirming it.
They are fighting a losing battle and it's only a matter of time before they quit or are removed but I appreciate his effort.
Also it's pretty clear that the maga person is either a mod alt or a close friend as they've had numerous rule breaking comments and personal attacks.
Which is a cowardly thing to do in my opinion. Similar to Hillary or Powell setting up private emails to avoid FOIA requests and transparency. Which is ironic they resort to using the same tactics that they claim to hate others for.
Like subverting democracy by entering threads into contest mode or outright removing ones that were voted to the front page because it's not favorable to their views.
Ahaha oh no! Please stop your with your downvote scripts! Your imaginary downvotes are hurting my internet ego 😂😂
If only shills were relevant IRL.. But they aren't! What happened to r/esist and r/marchagainsttrump ?? Where are all the mass trump riots in the streets?
They don't like Totes cause they say users here will brigade those subs, but then they say they are being brigaded and no one can actually check. I like to check totes and search "in conspiracy" to see what topics get linked to other places. Many times there isn't a link to anywhere or there are only a few with little votes and no discussion. Who knows where they get their brigading excuse from then, besides it's an excuse when votes/discussion doesn't go their preferred way.
I'm not sure how to illustrate it any better. This entire thread is shills and bots talking to each other with a few real users mixed in.
Pointing out a single comment wouldn't do it any justice. It's an army of shills manipulating the entire thread by manipulating the vote counts and flooding the discussion with hundreds of comments. Any attempt at pointing it out quickly gets buried.
Why do one comment when it's the whole thread? But I have a feeling you understand how it works
What if if it's an army of shills using the idea of shills to discredit anyone who thinks there's something to the Trump-Russia conspiracy? Of all the conspiracies on this sub, the Trump-Russian conspiracy is the only one that receives a massive backlash from a certain subset of users here.
You are making excuses, not an arguement. Are you not flooding this discussion with throwaway comments? It may not be shilling, but when people say stuff they know isnt true they come off weak. Unwilling to provide examples or form an arguement.
I told you how you could illustrate it for me. Because you seem to struggle with the idea that we might not have the same understanding. You say this thread is filled with shills. I only see a couple, yeah they make a lot of comments. But the scoring system seems to work with those people.
What have I said that isn't true? What have you said that is true?
There's no other way to say it: this thread is full of shills. A rough estimate I'd say about 75% of comments are shills. And the voting is manipulated beyond comprehension
There's no other way to say it: this thread is full of shills. A rough estimate I'd say about 75% of comments are shills
Is this a rough estimate or a number you just picked? Can you show the math for your estimate? No you cant. That estimate isnt true without the math to back it up.
Youve wasted my time. Goodbye.
I'm not harassing anyone. You're complaining about brigading when you have close to 10% of the comments there, and you're one of those Trump supporters that isn't very good at pretending they're not. Makes your comment funny as hell.
Huh. I wonder if thats why my post didnt do well here. Kind of surprised since its has all the key surveilence material and a leak on building up a surveillence system by the big military contractors.
awww poor guy! Why are you focusing all your energy on one menial dude? Shouldn't we focus on taking down all the corrupt fucks? Or just trump? I'd like to hear your response, fellow "free thinker"
Actually, the mods should turn ALL threads that hit 500+ comments. It's fun and it starts more discussions. Shills hate it bc, their upvote/downvote scripts are useless (hence why all the shill uproar everytime contest mode is implemented)
They never seem to care when the_donald boards the short bus and heads over here to make our front page the same as theirs when something bad happens to the DNC.
Ahaha and herewego again always showing up, shitting on Donnie. Aha another great divide tactic. HereWeGoAgain loves to shit on trump and trumpets but who's got the laugh.. The constant trump hate is a shitty attempt to polarize and divide. That's fucked homie. That kind of attitude is what lead the dems to implode.. Yet you never talk about that.. Why not? Are the dems in any postion to be dishing shit on trump?? They have nothing left and yet they are still trying to spread further divide. How fucking sad
Gotcha, yeah I'm sure he's been reported many times by many users, I remember u/trumprussiaconspiracy (is that it?) has noted it in the past. mods seem to have a vested interest in him and peyote and leaving them unbanned.
Aww why are spreading more Donald hate? Why are you constantly hating downward towards your fellow countrymen? That's pretty sad that you are singling out half of the county based on a puppet politican.. Maybe r/conspiracy isn't for you.
ILol actually homie, I'm a Bernie bro (given to us supporters by CTR).
I'm sure the condescending comments (above) is what lead to most of America staying home on election night OR caused people to
Vote against that treasonous cunt. But good one! Thanks for validating my point 😉
I always see complaints about t_d here, and people claim that this sub is so pro-Trump, but then I see anti-Trump propaganda every day with like 75% upvotes. So, either these post are getting to the front page via brigading or botting, or the people complaining about this sub being t_d 2.0 are lying and this sub is actually overwhelmingly anti-Trump. It has to be one or the other, and I think it's pretty obvious which one it is.
Propaganda: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause.
Just because an event happened, doesn't mean that the articles written about it are not propaganda. Effective propaganda is based on fact and twisted to suit an agenda.
True. That's the impression I get. I only just heard about it the other day.
Seems pretty obvious what's happening when every other thread in the sub has far less comments than the thread here or there that has hundreds or even thousands of comments in it.
In something completely unrelated to your post, I once read an article that showed George Soros was funding an astroturf campaign through David Brock/John Podesta MediaMatters, Correct the Record and the scumbag, fascist commies at ShareBlue (aka progressives) to infiltrate sites like Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. They run about 50 accounts each to give the false impression that their view and ideology is mainstream, when in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. Those people are described perfectly in the book 1984. You know, the ones who proclaim "Ignorance is Strength!" It's funny because they actually think it's working. If it's true that this happens, it's completely desperate and pathetic.
You must not frequent this sub very often. Haven't you read the CIA document instructing the media etc to manipulate the masses into calling anyone who questions the mainstream narrative "Crazy" or "Conspiracy Theorists" and to mock and ridicule them with petty, unintelligent diatribe? If you look hard enough, you'll see it everywhere. Those in the know are unaffected by such intellectually lazy slurs. It's comical and sad at the same time.
The best part of this whole exchange is that no matter how matter how crazy and out there he seems, you are more than likely the one who is incorrect. It is a proven fact that Sorors funded CTR and ShareBlue, just like it is proven fact that these organizations run many fake "shill" accounts on social media. It is also more than likely true that they learned a lot of these plays from the CIA. This sub a safe space to talk about shit like that. Acting like you are right now just makes you look like the silly one.
I'm confused, don't we hate liberals because of how eaisly they get triggered!??!
Or was that just projection?
I'm on the right man, but I agree with shimmy, and even though I too make a lot of mistakes just like you just did (and worse) two wrongs never make a right, a simple apology and explanation why usually goes a long way.
So I should apologize for being upset at coordinated censorship?
I'm upset about it too. Believe me I deal with them following me and banning me everywhere I go.
Jesus.. I was unaware of how sensitive everyone was...
This is Reddit, 90% of it is populated by literally Progressive marxist indoctrinated college students who have weaponized fee fees and safe spaces.
This is pretty funny.
It's fucking pathetic, I agree, remember though this strife and breakdown is literally the goal of Marxist nihilism, to break down everything to cause a revolution to bring in their "utopian" communism.
WTAF. Are we now saying that the white men didn't kill the Native Americans?
Oh you accepted the PC version and stopped there without further knowledge!
No... you see it was not that cut and dry buttercup, and attacks and treaties broken happened all around in a place that was not a country and populated by tribes at war with each other already.
And what of Robert Mercer and Cambridge Analytica and Russian active measures? David Brock's shitrag pales in comparison to the scale and malice of those propaganda efforts.
The fact this is so significantly downvoted tells you everything you need to know and proves your point. What you just said is 100% factual and verifiable.
Except it's not. Ctr spent 6 million dollar's a fucking year ago. Meanwhile Cambridge analytica spent 60 million in support of trump and are now taking over local new in the majority of the country to try and change the narrative. You all have been accusing everyone what you're guilty of. Not surprising though
Ah yes, a "proven fact"...that ctr spent 6 million a damn year ago and hired a whopping 24 people. Meanwhile it's also a proven fact that Cambridge analytica spent 60 million a's well as buying out and consolidating almost 70% of local news stations to try and influence the narrative. Projection, thy name i's r/noman_shifter4
I dont understand how you are both being argumentative and presenting more proof that my point was correct, all in the same comment. The fact that there are more/bigger shill corporations doing the same thing doesn't mean I was projecting or incorrect.
Of course you missed it because I don't think you like conspiracies, which raises the question... why are you even here? (Let me guess, you enjoy debunking conspiracies. lol) What did you major in? Propaganda dissemination 101? I hear you can land a great job for $15/hr right out of school. That'd be a sweet gig, no?
Well, our current government is about to implode because the president and his rag tag group of liars and cheats are too incompetent to do anything in politics.
They're in the middle of trying to cover it all up and start a war to hold on to power..
But the conspiracy sub just wants to talk about how evil George Soros is..
You'd have to inject reality into the conversation to have a real conversation. Calling him a liar and a cheat means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Step up your game and be specific. Not personal attacks, not hyperbole. No "may have's" or "could be's" etc. The deep state has nothing outside of what they fabricate. Is he impeached yet? Tick tock. *yawn
I read the mainstream garbage all the time. The difference between you and I is that I venture outside the propaganda and have learned how to quickly identify spin. It's so easy to see. Progressives are so predictable. Using the same words, slurs, attacks, demoralization tactics etc. I'm not in denial Mr. Alinsky, I know the truth and no amount of fuckery on the parts of the commies will send me back into my previous ignorance. Thank God almighty, I am free at last.
Case in point. Predictable. Step up your game. You educated folk love some TedTalk, right? Here's a good one for you if your attention span can hold up.
Of course not. I've been here a long time, in an Arya Stark kind of way.
I really became active when the mother load of conspiracies dropped. It was called Wikileaks. I'm sure you heard of it but as for me, I spent at least 14 hours per day sifting through the emails. If you would have done the same, you'd be just like this...
If you know nothing about it by now, you're not looking. It's all right here in this sub that you frequent to attack Trump. There are other topics, check them out. Seems like there are a lot of strangers in a strange land.
They're actually Luciferian Francist mystery religions doing their best to replenish the Cup of Filth to bring about their version of the Messiah, but I suppose that's too religious for you.
You must not frequent this sub very often. Haven't you read the CIA document instructing the media etc to manipulate the masses into calling anyone who questions the mainstream narrative "Crazy" or "Conspiracy Theorists"
please just stop with this stupid left vs. right bullshit, you guys out yourselves with it instantly.
I'll think, speak and say whatever I want to, if you want to change my opinion speak and educate, I am far more aware of nuances than you might think I am. You haven;t an idea even, who I am to assume anything about me.
well if you want to play in to their hands and try and further divide people over arbitrary color based parties like a child then by all means go ahead, just don't expect anyone with half a brain to value your opinions or give your views any clout.
well if you want to play in to their hands and try and further divide people over arbitrary color based parties like a child then by all means go ahead
Ok, smart guy. Are you aware of the occult principles behind the political ideologies?
It's going to get crazy when more and more of the once previously silent majority begin speaking up and the old tactics don't work. Look how fast score was pointed to. You have -12 I have +29, I'm right, you're wrong and everyone thinks so.
more people are keen to the ability to buy votes, manipulate scores, farm a bunch of posters, create bots, etc.
people are speaking up and saying, "uh, nope, what that guy said actually sounds pretty reasonable."
His account got deleted really fast. I've seen these tactics before from r metacanada vs r Canada drama a while back. It's been under brigade for a while now, this sub is going to be useless soon unless the mods do something drastics. Something tells me the sub barely survived pizzagate and it got pin pointed as a main dissemination point.
Yeah these scores are the results of the fucktard brigading being done by ctr and share blue, so its not indicative of anything.
Why the fuck do the pro-government people here keep spreading these lies without evidence?
Everyone in the world that disagrees with you is some sort of shill or bot? It's not possible that people hate a proud racist who brags about sexual abusing women, says he wants to murder people's families, and has billions of dollars tied up with Russian interests?
Get out of the box and have a look at the world around you. Look at the opinion polls, look at the internet, talk to people outside of your circlejerk.
Trump is despised by most of the world and it sure as hell isn't sceptics that have decided he's pure and incorruptible.
The Koch brothers and News Corp have been around spreading lies and propaganda a lot longer and have had much more influence than the enemies they've invented to make it seem like your support for the government isn't an aberration.
This comment was written by a real fucking human being who knows a lot of real fucking human beings who share this view, and I'm definitely not going to be surprised when it turns out that all of the "OMG so many CTR shareblue bots" people all turn out to be shills for Cambridge Analytica.
George Soros was funding an astroturf campaign through David Brock/John Podesta MediaMatters, Correct the Record and the scumbag, fascist commies at ShareBlue to infiltrate sites like Reddit, Facebook and Twitter.
We know for a fact this type of thing goes on
They run about 50 accounts each to give the false impression that their view and ideology is mainstream, when in reality, nothing could be further from the truth.
I'm curious if you have any examples of these ideas
The website where I archived my info was shut down and search engines are unreliable, at best. There was a photo floating around on Reddit showing a work station? It came out around the time of the Wiki dumps.
Sure you can. The rules are long gone. If the mods/admins upheld the rules then there wouldn't be a massive campaign to manipulate opioions online and pin fellow country men against one another instead of focusing all the hate on 1 puppet lame duck president but here they are.
BAHA dude I've been suspended for calling out CTR in the midst of the primaries. My comment got to the top and was calling out the mods and admins for letting this shit show continue. 7k upvotes then suspended... Do you think I'm going to let these dumb fuck shills attempt to censor us? They are here to silence and stop all discussions. We have exposed them and now they have hired online goons to "censor" anyone who speaks out
This entire post was more or less an r/topmindsofreddit post within our own sub, all the same commenters, long having been tagged circlejerking eachother's hyper-partisanship.
right, which is why its weird its being implemented.
The post i was responding too was seeming to imply the mods were taking no action, but they are taking action, but its following some rules that none of us are aware of
So I suppose if you want to talk about things being reported by the MSM, particularly the liberal side of the MSM, then you'd better post it to 4chan first and then link to that here.
I dont see how they can argue against that. whenever someone says "wapo/nyt/newsweek? lol fake news!" and you ask them what sources we should trust you get silence. what they want to say is trump tv or the presidents twitter feed, or Sputnik
Maybe we should remove the mods? So that "new" mods can step in and add more rules like submission approval. Then once things are being approved by the "new mods" maybe then r/conspiracy can move towards a "whitelist" approval system, where only "trusted MSM sources" can be submitted.
I believe this is what the shills are looking for no?
Or stop putting threads into contest mode, or at least be more transparent on why some threads go to contest and some dont. That is what we are asking for.
Now why would media outlet care what a group of "free thinking" individuals discuss on the web? Would it be to manipulate and disrupt all the current ongoing discussions? Those discussions that lead to exposing corruption even when most the media turns a blind eye?
Because it's being brigaded hard by people with no post history in /r/conspiracy that only believe in this single conspiracy spouting talking points straight out of /r/politics.
Lol be prepared to get hit with the downvote scripts for just speaking the truth.
But remember, they are just imaginary downvotes and they don't mean a thing IRL. Actually, the amount of negative downvotes only gives me confirmation that my words are nothing but truth. If what I said was false, there would be valid comments against my statement. But they never challenge the truth.. Only computer downvote scripts.. American propaganda is literal shit lol
ITT: a community of free thinkers now respects and adores the CIA WaPo. GOOD ONE! Once again! They have us "free thinkers" fooled with their ever effective tactics.
yeah because of the sjw shit. thats not interesting at all to me, but his evolutionary psychology lectures on human myths and their evolutionary connections is fucking fascinating
I would love for the mods to post a public list of all of the threads thrown into contest mode, and which mod put that thread into contest mode. Every time a thread is put in contest mode, a pinned mod message by the mod that changed the mode should be made in the thread. Most of the time it is another mod that posts a pinned message, if any message is pinned at all.
And if the mods can please post a detailed guideline to how they determine whether a thread is being brigaded or not. Simply stating that many of the users in a thread come from another subreddit should be backed up by data that can be seen by the sub's users and a proper review process. People should be able to independently verify a mod's claims when they do this.
Almost every time I see a major Trump Russia related reveal on this sub, I can predict usually if it is going to be put into contest mode or not. The mods should get a handle on this, because more and more of these reveals are coming and they are only going to get bigger and bigger.
Although helpful, there is no proper criteria for mods to determine if something is being brigaded or not. There should be some sort of public vote tally of all of the mods that voted on doing this.
Without a public review process, it is entirely possible for a mod to do this because they did not like the thread's topic.
Doesn't even look like the entire mod team is on the same page. Looks like some mods are deleting/banning and then someone coming along and undoing it. I guess people here are mad about standards and being consistent.
Can confirm, a few days ago I messaged the mods about something, received a snarky answer from one, and when I posted our PMs publicly, I was banned. No reason was given for my banning, so I assume it was due to this, even though the mod I was PMing denied it.
Eventually another mod apologized and told me they were discussing it in private.
I was unbanned, given no message informing me of my unbanning, I tested posting the next morning and my messages sent fine. So my ban was lifted at some point, by someone.
There's a weird little war going on behind the scenes of this subreddit. I don't even know how you go about solving something like that.
That seems consistent with what I've heard from others. I tried messaging the mods once over a clarification on the rules. Rule 6 says no "shouting" with excessive bold and enlarged fonts and whatnot.
I was polite and civil and referred to a certain user who was spamming comment sections with comments like
This has to blow the liberal lunatics gaskets!
and
You've been trolled by POTUS. I love it.
MAGA
I'm not going to imitate it but both comments were using headers (#) before the text so the text was huge. Either way, multiple blatant rule violations that should be removed.
What I got in return from the mods was a bunch of attitude. One mod in particular was really disrespectful and would toss insults around while saying "go back to /r/politics" while another would say that the rules are up to moderator's discretion.
There's clearly certain mods that are influencing the direction of the sub and how the rules are being applied. It's a shame that this community has to suffer as a result of it though.
Yeah, I was super polite the entire time, I shared my portion of the private messages to the mods but was met with snide remarks and when I called his behavior "Childish" I was told to "not expect better" (paraphrasing, because I don't feel like searching my inbox for the messages)
All I was doing was asking for clarification on why contest mode was installed on another post, and all I got was sass, then a glimpse into the moderator infighting, a ban, and a silent un-ban.
Truly weird and gross to think you can just be banned for disagreeing or disseminating mod behavior. Especially on a sub that should frown on that behavior.
Consistent with my experience as well, it seems like they take any criticism or questioning as an attack.
A user was banned "for shilling for paedos" so I tried asking the mods about it. At first I was told that wasn't the reason, so when I responded with a screenshot showing that as the ban message I was muted and reported to the admins because they thought I was the banned user. Every message I received was immature, it's like they've never been in positions of leadership/power before.
There's a weird little war going on behind the scenes of this subreddit. I don't even know how you go about solving something like that.
I can't believe that you are COMPLAINING that all the mods of this sub do NOT march in Lockstep on every issue. You should be celebrating that fact.
Yes, there ARE disagreements among the mods. Yes, there ARE discussions, and no, it is NOT easy to find the "right" answers to dealing with complicated problems (like handling armies of trolls, shills and bots that brigade the hell out of this sub when certain "sensitive" issues come up)
Would you REALLY want a mod team that was in TOTAL AGREEMENT on everything? What if YOU happened to DISAGREE with the positions the mods took???
Here's a clue: The mods get accused of being Pro-Trump right-wingers AND of being Share Blue Lefties all day every day.
We are clearly pissing BOTH sides off - and to me, that can means only on thing: We're doing SOMETHING RIGHT.
:-)
Sorry if we get snappy sometimes, or make mistakes.
Hey look, it's one of the mods who was in on that antagonizing private message. One who didn't offer any useful advice, give any acknowledgement of why I was banned, and didn't provide updates on why I was unbanned.
Edit: For full disclosure, here was his only private message when I asked about my ban and about why they use contest mode. Begins with him quoting my comment:
I didn't ban you. I didn't know why you were banned, but I DID answer your question as to why Contest Mode was being implimented:
contest mode is unacceptable as a sudden solution to what one mod may think is showing "unusual voting patterns".
Contest Mode is to Trolls and Shills...
...As a House of Mirrors is to a Gaggle of Vampires
Be grateful that we haven't dragged out the Crosses and Garlic... YET
I'm sorry, I was trying to lighten the mood with a bit of levity. Was my use of similes too "cryptic"? Did you not comprehend the message? That Contest Mode is intended to foil the efforts of trolls, shills and organized brigades?
Sorry. I didn't mean to belittle you.
Contest mode doesn't seem to fix what it's being issued against
That remains to be seen, doesn't it?
and it seems like outsider forces can use brigading to purposely force a moderator to turn to contest mode which stifles conversation
Yes, there are potential downsides, and these aspects have come up and are being discussed. But I am pleased to see that you acknowledge that there are indeed "outsider forces" who "use brigading" to purposely attack the sub.
Do you NOW understand a bit more about what we are up against here?
We want to allow and promote free and open discussion - but the OUTSIDE FORCES you mentioned are intent on destroying open discussion by using brigading to manipulate the threads and subvert conversations to serve whatever agenda they may be promoting.
We are trying to do what we can to thwart their pernicious efforts using the limited number of tools that we have available to us.
And you DID eventually have your problem resolved, and your ban lifted, did you not? We are more than a bit overwhelmed, and the vast majority of the complaints we receive are extremely hostile - it starts to wear you down after a while
Compare that to the time I had to deal with the mods in /r/politics who explained exactly what the problem was, what rule was broken, and what I had to do to fix it. Clear as day communication.
As I said before, I did not ban you, and had no knowledge of why you were banned. But I did explain clearly (if cryptically) why we were implementing contest mode. If I personally offended you, I apologize, and I will make an effort to be more considerate in the future.
Okay?
"Okay, what can we do to actually avoid brigading without completely obfuscating conversation and making people create posts asking 'why we did that' each time it happens"
Yeah, we've been doing that for MONTHS, and we've had several members chime in with ideas. If we had ADMINISTRATIVE tools - or at least their cooperation - we might be able to accomplish this illusive goal, but at the moment, we must do what can with what we have.
I never accused you of banning me, so I find it curious that you're defending yourself from such an accusation. It was another mod who was throwing the most sass and being the least helpful and downright childish. I'm sure you could view his messages as well. That's what I was referring too when I said the moderators should at least be professional about their responsibilities.
My ban was lifted, but it took me sending a couple test comments the following morning to discover this. Like someone maybe didn't wanna acknowledge it? I don't know, maybe that's how you guys operate, but it seems like a conspiracy subreddit would want to be more transparent. Maybe I'm mistaken and you require cloak and dagger tactics to moderate a forum set up to root out clock and dagger tactics.
All I ever wanted, before I started questioning the moderator's actions, was some darn transparency on why contest mode was enabled. I've speculated it's political, but all we can do is speculate because no mods want to clue anyone in. All we get is vague accusations of brigading and each mod has a different degree to which they believe it's occuring. Official comments from mods become distorted and lost in a sea of unrated, unorganized, and hidden comments in contest mode posts. After contest mode, a flood of "why is this in contest mode?" posts blanket the topic and discussion, actual discussion about the topic, is buried. Spam reigns tall.
And we're left to speculate. And then, we get this defensive nonsense from some of you guys. About how tough it is, and how hard you've been working on it for months. Obfuscating the issue by saying we want a hive mind moderator. And still no answer as to why contest mode is enabled. No specifics. No comments you can point to and be like, "Yeah, see these here?"
But hopefully by the next day, we've moved on to a topic that's approved by whatever group is brigading and they don't attack it so you guys squash the discussion. We'll see what tomorrow brings, I guess.
It could mean you are doing something right, but I think its more likely people on both sides(and the middle or no side) are mad because you are doing something wrong.
Just read the comments on this thread. Yes the people that also go to rpolitics are mad about contest mode, but it seems like alot of regulars are also. And the people that come from T _D want contest mode because it shuts down critics if their guy.
Contest mode is not solving problems, it seems to create unneccisary drama.
ugh magabolt is one of the people spamming contest mode threads, thus statistically increasing the chance that his posts get seen and other posts do not. This is fucking disgusting. We need to be able to vote on mods again, and remove powers from those who are incapable of enforcing the rules consistently and evenly
No one's asking the mods to agree on everything without discussion, but having what are basically public petty fights between each other is another thing entirely, especially when it affects peoples' ability to participate in discussion on the sub. Not to mention all the unprofessional and downright abusive behavior towards the sub's users.
Randomizes comments each time you refresh the page and hides all scores. There is no "top" or "best" comment anymore that shows what people agreed with.
Basically when the points being made is going against the mods agenda they don't want people to see it. They'd rather delete the topic, but know they will get even more shit for doing that so they resort to contest mode to put the brakes on the discussion.
Around 20 to 30 minutes before this thread was put into contest mod members of the T_D private discord talked about making this happen so as to better control messaging.
If I do people will claim they are edited since they will not be full screen shots and if I post full screen shots my access will be revoked so no I can't.
Archive them at least and save all possible metadata for each screenshot you take. Compile them and release them when you feel you are able to. This kind of behaviour is actually true brigading and I would hope mods here would be interested in this.
Archive them at least and save all possible metadata for each screenshot you take. Compile them and release them when you feel you are able to. This kind of behaviour is actually true brigading and I would hope mods here would be interested in this.
I will see what I can do. But I can't burn the accounts that already have access to the discord it is too valuable a source of information.
Honestly, release them all if any indictments are filed against key figures in the campaign. At that point, there really is no point to having access to the chat after that.
I don't have anything of that nature if I did I would give it to the appropriate people but I don't have access. I don't even know if it exists on this discord. The search continues.
Who cares if some people say they are edited. It still be good to see. T_D goes off false info all the time. Even if you are faking their discord, it would be fair game.
Remeber, this is the same person that shows up in every one of these threads with absolute horse-shit, and then shits on Anon Insider. Neither are more credible than the other and that is what is so baffling.
That's what's so interesting here. They set these things to contest mode when they suspect people are manipulating votes, so logic holds, if you want to set one to contest mode... you manipulate votes.
And if you do it off of reddit, like in Discord, then you can claim deniability and protect the origin of the manipulation. Contest mode solves nothing and has become a tool to defeat discussion.
Discord is a program, basically like chat rooms with voice/text. You can make them public so that anyone can join with a URL that acts as an invite.
The_donald's was made private and I believe you have to link your reddit account before being able to join as they want to only allow certain types of people to their channel.
So u/SpongeBobSquarePants, can you confirm you have now been banned from this Discord given what u/brain_on_drugs has stated? I'm assuming that exposing their attempt to control the agenda on this sub is not something that is in their best interests.
So u/SpongeBobSquarePants, can you confirm you have now been banned from this Discord given what u/brain_on_drugs has stated? I'm assuming that exposing their attempt to control the agenda on this sub is not something that is in their best interests. Screenshots are appreciated given you've already dug a hole for yourself in their perspective.
Why do you assume I used the same account name? Even my writting style is different, totally different, enforced by a custom program I wrote to make my writings less grammatically complex and to introduce typing errors which I do not typically make.
Seems like a lot of work to put in, yet still we haven't been provided the slightest bit of credibility to you assertions. Even a possibly fake screenshot, anything.
/u/creq you're more than welcome to tell us which mods feel this way. Because clearly they're doing a stand up job of deflecting certain conspiracies while favoring others.
So what threads are you speaking of in terms of deflection?
Where are the martyrs here? What threads were not put into contest mode that should have? I've seen plenty of anti-Trump threads go into contest mode, but as soon as that happens you claim it as a 'pro-Trump' thread because there is an argument and duality exists. As long as there is a response, you can call it either because both are involved. It's not honest.
600+ thread replies.... Pretty obvious that's our buddies at shareblue or whatever other similar operation.
I just can't wait for people to try to use this as evidence of anything russia in the future. They literally found so much at his house, that it took them a month to report on it.
I am sure he will claim that this was all just made up by 4chan or something next. These guys will come up with the most wild shit to rationalize their bullshit.
I counted well over 100 between magabot, psyder, and peyote. Those 3 accounts were probably close to half the thread at one point when the thread was rising.
I actually tried reporting one as spamming a thread with off topic posts. It didnt go anywhere. To me that is one big step they can take in cleaning up this sub. I hope my suggestion is considered.
We, you know. We, the general public. The people who have things constantly leaked out to them if there's even the smallest chance to make Trump look bad.
No no most organizations aren't half as incompetent or full of backstabbing backbiting in fighters because they're led by good leadership and have direction
Leaders who have ties to the clintons and other's with known beef with the commander in chief?
Leaders who the moment they're let go leak documents to the press and spark dangerous speculative discord on all MSM outlet for weeks before testifying and saying trump actually did nothing wrong?
Nobody in FBI leadership tied financially to the Clintons?
Article used the term "included" previously turned over documents, but did not say "only consisted of" previously turned over documents. The pushback talking point is that whatever they got only consisted of stuff they'd just gotten, but the article doesn't claim that.
Please put all of us who question our gov't to ignore. I beg you. I volunteer as tribute. Then you can have peace in your echo chamber of Trump worship!
I don't block people. Especially shills, I just tag them and move on. I am not a Trump supporter. But I mean what I said about he versus Hillary. At least we know he's a douche, and at least he is causing people to realize how fucked up our government is. Hillary would've continued the usual puppet show behind closed doors so everyone remained clueless.
Trump has that shit on front street for all to see, and it's causing even the wooliest of sheep to wake up. This scares the Deep State, the GOP, the DNC .. all of them are terrified that we will all wake up. Hence the mass effort to cause division and anger, and now an effort to start a war with the Norks. And what do they use to cause division? Shills and fear.
Threads like this amuse me because the only ones who get bent about contest mode are shills. Plain and simple.
I've upvoted you as well, light and love my friend.
Threads like this amuse me because the only ones who get bent about contest mode are shills.
That's not the case at all though. I'm not a shill, and I have a lot of problems with the way contest mode is being used to silence criticism of Trump and the government while ignoring all of the irrelevant crap about the DNC. Feel free to look through my comment history if that helps, though I'm not sure there's anything that would convince you I just feel this way and don't have to be paid to say this.
The idiotic and pathetic claim that everyone that disagrees with you is a shill is becoming one of the biggest problems on this subreddit - even worse than the brigades from T_D, even worse than the moderators being unashamed about their extreme pro-government biases, even worse than actual shills themselves.
At this point I'm almost completely convinced that every account that keeps repeating that anti-Trump/anti-government people are shills are in fact shills themselves, deliberately conflating the situation and making it difficult to differentiate between the organic users and the Koch brothers bots.
Of course, this means little to people who have been brainwashed by the lies and the divide and conquer tactics of the MSM Fox News, and it's hard to tell the difference between an uneducated idiot without coherent language skills, and a poorly programmed bot.
Except personally, I have no problems with differing opinions at all. I welcome those opinions and enjoy good, organic discussion and debate on those opinions.
The people I am referring to as "shills" are the ones who no matter what evidence you present, they will constantly deflect. They take over a thread with bots, and comments having only the purpose of division behind them.
No matter what you show them, or say, they will find a way to turn it around and fit their narrative. Yes, there is evidence of shady shit with the Trump administration, which should not go unchecked.
At the same time, those crimes do not, at all, negate the crimes of the DNC, Deep State and other members of the GOP. The Deep State are using Trump as a means to get the eyes off of their own crimes. What I have a problem with is mindless sheep acting like Trump and the right are the only crooked mother fuckers in DC.
THEY'RE ALL CROOKED. And they ALL need to be brought down and made to pay for their crimes.
As for contest mode; I've been around here awhile. I've seen threads get brigaded and taken over, and I can say that the contest mode is curbing that to an extent. Look at all the jimmies that get rustled when a thread goes contest. That's a clue. "They" don't want votes hidden. Real users of this sub couldn't give a fuck less about votes. All we want is intelligent, organic discussion. That's it.
THEY'RE ALL CROOKED. And they ALL need to be brought down and made to pay for their crimes.
Right. Except the DNC has no political power and the GOP controls every layer of government. You're yelling at ghosts while real people commit real crimes using the real power they currently wield.
I loathe the DNC, but to pretend like it's anywhere at all as important to criticise that powerless and irrelevant organisation while the GOP controls the entire US government is laughable.
Unfortunately this subreddit has a lot of people (like you) who simply don't want to talk about the corruption of Trump and the GOP, deflecting constantly to the DNC and other powerless and irrelevant parties in order to keep people distracted from the real conspiracies.
I've seen threads get brigaded and taken over, and I can say that the contest mode is curbing that to an extent.
Once again, your bias has prejudiced your perspective here, and you're ignoring the fact that only anti-government stories are being censored with contest mode. If you want contest mode so badly, why don't you petition for it to be put on every thread, including all the irrelevant bullshit about the DNC and the debunked lies about Seth Rich?
Look at all the jimmies that get rustled when a thread goes contest. That's a clue. "They" don't want votes hidden.
Once again, I'm a real person not being paid to say this, and I think it's fucking disgusting that self-proclaimed "conspiracy theorists" are okay with censoring anti-government stories in order to protect the feelings of the POTUS and his tiny band of vocal sycophants. Like I said, it's not stories critical of the DNC that get put into contest mode. It's not stories about aliens or JFK. It's only stories critical of Trump and his government.
You're cheering for censorship of criticism of the government in /r/conspiracy, and the worst part is that there are so many pro-Trump bots and shills here to make it seem like people agree with that idea.
All we want is intelligent, organic discussion. That's it.
By censoring anti-government posts with contest mode or selectively applied rules, and at the same time leaving pro-government propaganda untouched, you're advocating for the opposite of organic discussion. You're advocating for a safe space.
Unfortunately this subreddit has a lot of people (like you) who simply don't want to talk about the corruption of Trump and the GOP, deflecting constantly to the DNC and other powerless and irrelevant parties in order to keep people distracted from the real conspiracies.
Yeah, I stopped here.
You go lumping me in as someone who is a Trump homer when I've clearly states the obvious.
Where did I say I didn't want any investigations done? I do. I just think it's a fucking ignorant train of thought to believe that one side should face the music while the other side doesn't.
For someone who hates the DNC, you seem awfully okay with letting them get away scot-free just so we can bring down our current version of theater.
Thinking the DNC has no power right now is fucking laughable at best. So I go back to what I said; they're all crooked.
As smart as you are, I'm smarter. I've noted you making sure to repeat that you're a real person. You've also made it a point to make sure we all know you aren't getting paid.
So, you've lowkey defended the DNC by basically implying they have no power therefore we shouldn't worry about them. You've assured me multiple times that you're real. And you've made it a point to say you aren't being paid. Now, I have now doubts you're a real person and not a shill, but fuck me, can't you see how that's suspicious?
In reading what I did of your reply to me, it appears as though what I said went right over your head. You still try to paint me up as a Trump homer when I said nothing remotely close to what you are saying I did.
I have a rule about getting sucked into bullshit pissing contests, which is exactly what you are trying to attain here.
You go lumping me in as someone who is a Trump homer when I've clearly stated the opposite.
I didn't say you're a Trump supporter and I didn't mean to imply that, because I did see your earlier comment. But you're okay with the fact that people are focusing on the party that's not in power, the party that's been abandoned by their entire voterbase, and that's had a historic and almost unprecedented loss of political power in a single election. You seem okay with the fact that the DNC is getting more attention than the GOP despite the GOP controlling the whole government, and despite the GOP historically having been the primary party of war and stealing liberties in the name of 'security'.
For someone who hates the DNC, you seem awfully okay with letting them get away scot-free just so we can bring down our current version of theater.
I'm definitely not okay with the DNC getting away with anything, but focusing on the DNC while the GOP controls the entire government is literally letting the GOP get away with everything.
The DNC is not controlling the CIA. The DNC is not in charge of the FBI. The DNC is not giving orders to the military. The DNC is not writing laws and executive orders. Those are all being done by Trump and the GOP right now, and that's much more important than Benghazi bullshit or whatever the latest Fox News distraction from the past is.
In reading what I did of your reply to me, it appears as though what I said went right over your head. You still try to paint me up as a Trump homer when I said nothing remotely close to what you are saying I did.
That's not what I said and I'm sorry if I implied that. I'm pointing out how you're "lowkey defending Trump" by basically implying that the DNC is equally relevant in politics to Trump and the GOP - the people that literally control the entire US government.
I know you don't want to be associated with obsequious Trumpets, but it's hard to dissociate everyone who yells "shill bot!" about anti-government conspiracy theorists when it only ever comes in response to the worst abuses and corruption of Trump/GOP.
At the same time, you're either unable to grasp why the relatively powerless DNC doesn't deserve more scrutiny than the people controlling the entire government, or you're being disingenuous and deliberately trying to muddy the waters so that a discussion about Trump/GOP corruption can't ever be properly undertaken here. I'd like to believe it's the former because you've given thoughtful and detailed responses, but effectively the result is the same - the GOP and Trump get to fly under the radar while the relatively petty crimes of ousted Democrats are distracting from the GOP's own major and deeply concerning scandals and abuses.
I think there is a pretty big split in this sub right now. A large chunk of users who view the Trump/Russia story as potentially one of the biggest conspiracies in our lifetime, and another group who views it as a witch hunt. I think the first group is very frustrated with the traction topics like Seth Rich receive and the other group frustrated by the amount of attention Trump/Russia receives.
Both sides accuse the other of vote manipulation, but I personally don't buy into that. I think you have almost half a million people subscribing to a sub, half of them agree with one narrative while the other half believes in something diametrically opposed to it. Since both sides are energized, you see a lot of voting activity on those topics and between the two groups of users.
If you're interested in discussing these topics in an environment that will never be put in to contest mode, please come check out /r/ConspiracyHypothesis
It's still small, but we've almost quadrupled in size since I took the sub over a few weeks ago. It's been very fun to watch it grow and it seems to fill a niche people are looking for.
If you see any other users that you think would appreciate the content, please send them over!
TBF the Russian investigation hasn't been thoroughly debunked much like Seth Rich/Pizzagate/Hillary etc. It's an ongoing investigation with new credible information being released on a daily basis. It reserves the right to be called a conspiracy. While the others are as well, there isn't enough credible information. Yes I know this place hates MSM but at least it's verified and not a comment by someone on 4chan.
Glad I wasn't the only one to catch that... This shit is seriously pissing me off. There are active conspiracy theories about all 3 of those topics and he's sitting here not only saying that they've been debunked, but thoroughly debunked. Get the fuck out of here with that bs!!! I don't care if we talk about Trump / Russia at all but so far I haven't seen anything impressive unlike the other topics he mentioned.
Oh and look at that - my comment gets removed for calling a shill a shill.
Sorry pal, did you miss the list of rules in the sidebar? ----->
"calling a shill a shill" violates those rules. You were not banned, or even officially warned - YET.
The purpose of Rule 10 is to try to keep discussions centered on the topics at hand, and to prevent the threads being sullied by devolving into ad hominem mud-slinging fests.
In the threads, address what others have SAID - their arguments and positions. If you have problems with the behavior of a user, address your concerns to the moderators.
who is getting raided in relation to pizzagate or seth rich
what is impressing you about those two theories
i like how the last development for either one of them was a guy suing the right wing propaganda station for misconstruing his words in order to support a false narrative
that was impressive to me, but it didnt exactly push the theory forward
How am I supposed to take this "Muh Russia Hacked teh Election" narrative seriously when we have democratic operatives on video talking about election rigging and foreign interests owning our politicians is just taken for granted?
Can someone even tell me what they actually hacked?
Because one is actually real. And the other are right wing smear jobs by non credible known liars who edit their videos to push a narrative.
They hacked the DNC as supported by all our intelligence agencies and our allies. They even did the same thing in Frances recent election. Hacking the only liberal partys emails and releasing them and spreading lies about said emails. They literally used the exact same tactic in another western election a few monthe later.
They also hacked voter rOlla and purged voter registrations, while not directly changing votes, de-registering people has to essentially the same effect. We do not yet know the extent of their attempts or damage done as its still being investigated.
I'm sorry, how is it misleading? Is the Macron hack not the French election hack to which the other user is referring? I'll admit he made a lot of claims without sources substantiate anything so we may just be talking about different things
weird how you took one throwaway phrase and tried to derail it, and your source said that "anyone could have done it"
that doesnt exactly exclude the fsb, and we saw the manipulation of russian bots on twitter and the hashtags posted. if you havent seen the evidence yet, id guess its because you want to ignore it and hope others do too
The user I replied to stated as a fact that the hacks have been attributed to Russians, and that point was central to the rest of his post. I still don't see how that's consistent with the statement I referenced.
Manipulation of bots on twitter isn't evidence for attribution of the hacks
I haven't yet been presented anybevidence to ignore. I'm open to reading whatever evidence has you so convinced, though
sure, its been explained multiple times. the problem is the same accounts who get these explanations keep expressing the same doubt all over the sub in an attempt not to understand, but to muddy the waters and to create the impression that there is a debate, much like the tobacco industry does, and climate deniers, and the sugar industry
Bullshit. You and I both know that. We have video evidence of democratic operative talking about rigging elections.
And LMAO at climate deniers. Sorry, but that's some more bullshit. But go ahead and conflate being against some scam derivatives market with being in favor of the tobacco industry. Talk about muddying the waters.
Thanks I was just talking about this issue with somebody.../r/conspiracy has morphed into something else and honestly the conspiracy "scene" in general. Tactic?
No. This is actually an example of exactly what I am referring to...it goes both ways and if you don't understand that then you are part of the problem.
Yes because north Korea threatening the US for the millionth time is something that the MSM wants to sweep under the rug. If the south Koreans aren't scared we shouldn't be either, when they become scared or familys start getting moved back to the US from bases in Japan and other Asian country's that is when to panic.
the trans ban was the same day as the raid. Trump is playing you hard.
holy shit is this true?
i KNEW that trans shit was just a distraction. something thats not super important (i know it is very important for some people, but doesnt affect the country as a whole) but stirs up the base and typically dominates the news cycle
I thought it would be to distract from the inevitable firing of sessions, but this makes so much sense. he probably thought the news would run with it as soon as it happened.
This place has been compromised by ShariaBlue/DeepState backed bullshit much like politics was. It died quite a few months back. Now it's akin to CNN, it is now a source I look at to read behind and understand why they want me to believe their current spindoctored agenda pushing lies and narrative.
I honestly have no idea on a large scale, I'm not a mod and certainly don't plan on ever being one. As far as I'm concerned, I don't look at opinions. You can have whatever opinion you want. It's the way you present it to others and engage in civil discourse to better understand the subject and the people involved in the conversation.
If a person is not capable of having a discussion or debate for the sole purpose of achieving better understanding, I don't really want to talk or be subjected to that person.
Funny that you get voted down like this and the "why is this thread in contest mode crowd?" get more up votes than you would for posting video evidence of the Queen of England and the Pope breeding reptilian spawn.
And that's why they use contest mode.
BTW, I love how these people who want to keep the "Russian Haxxorz" narrative alive are often just fine acting like Seth Rich, DWS, and Hillary are of no further interest.
This started happening in about 2005-6 in re 9/11. Just keep up the good fight. I don't know if Trump is worth a damn, but I know most of his enemies in D.C. are not.
What's amazing is that the VAST MAJORITY of posts in contest mode are about Seth Rich, Wikileaks, Awan Brothers, etc. with only a couple of Trump related topics barely sprinkled in. They are lying to our faces and creating a false-perception about the state of affairs in this sub by word of mouth alone.
All the ones set by /u/creq were only put into contest mode for a few minutes and he explained that it was done because of disagreements between the mods over what threads were being put into contest mode.
If you ignore the ones that creq briefly put into contest mode, then the rest are all big threads about Trump.
Every single thread put into contest mode by creq was done so by him to make a point. You really should just go read what he said because you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
That leaves only a handful of threads left. 1 of which was an actual contest to find mods.
Another was set by AssuredlyAThrowaway about banning CNN.
The rest were big threads related to Trump set to contest mode by flytape, Celine, mastagia, and axolotl
Either way, there is a clear bias in what threads are put into contest mode.
The rest were big threads related to Trump set to contest mode by flytape, Celine, mastagia, and axolotl
setcontestmode by Flytape 9 days ago : IAmClaytonBigsby
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Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale (npr.org)
Wrong
setcontestmode by CelineHagbard 7 days ago : CelineHagbard
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Test post, please ignore, will be down soon. (self.conspiracy)
submitted 7 days ago by CelineHagbard to /r/conspiracy
setcontestmode by CelineHagbard 8 days ago : IAmClaytonBigsby
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Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale (npr.org)
submitted 9 days ago by IAmClaytonBigsby to /r/conspiracy
Wrong
setcontestmode by mastigia 19 hours ago : JoePesciOfGoneFishin
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FBI conducted predawn raid of former Trump campaign chairman Manafort's home (washingtonpost.com)
submitted a day ago by JoePesciOfGoneFishin to /r/conspiracy
setcontestmode by mastigia 9 days ago : BewareTheDawg
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Yesterday a T_D user won an appeal against the DC Metropolitan Police Department, allowing anonymous FOIA request to proceed on the Seth Rich case. The next day the media brings out this narrative. Gee, what a strange coincidence.... (np.reddit.com)
submitted 9 days ago by BewareTheDawg to /r/conspiracy
Well I guess you found 1 so far.
setcontestmode by axolotl_peyotl 7 days ago : Canad1an_C
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Special Counsel Mueller Impanels Washington Grand Jury in Russia Probe (wsj.com)
submitted 7 days ago by Canad1an_C to /r/conspiracy
setcontestmode by axolotl_peyotl 2 months ago : axolotl_peyotl
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Announcing biweekly discussions on fringe and esoteric topics: Make a suggestion, with an emphasis on "high octane" speculation (self.conspiracy)
submitted 2 months ago by axolotl_peyotl to /r/conspiracy
Lmao you're really gonna say the NPR article about the lawsuit filed by Rod Wheeler over Seth Rich isn't related to Trump? What a dishonest person you are.
The article is clearly objective about how Fox News took a lawyer's unfounded claims and ran them as truth, I'm not exactly seeing an anti-Trump or pro-Trump bias here.
Annnnnnnnnd deflected, gotcha. Not gonna find any civil discourse here. I mean, I put in the effort here and you can't even take one backstep, absolutely pathetic and typical.
Nice attempts to gaslight.
All you're doing is deflecting with this post. You can't even point to a single thread attacking Hilary in the months that the mod-log tracks threads that was put to contest mode. Meanwhile, there are multiple threads about Trump set to contest mode just in the past few weeks.
You're a very dishonest person in the way you attempt to miscategorize threads and now refuse to answer a simple question.
So wait. You deflected, I asked why the hell you are deflecting and beg for you to get back to the initial point I challenged you, and then you come back with me being the one gaslighting because I'm frustrated you are having no respect for civil discourse?
i used to frequent conspiracy looking for, y'know, actual conspiracies (not hurr dur illuminati gangstalking lizard aliums im LITERALLY a prophet), and it seems delusion knows no political bounds. you get leftist nutbags and alt-right edgelords battling it out about which conspiracies are true and why they all involve/don't involve trump. a lot of it stems from the fact that the alt-right and vocal conservatives are particularly aggressive in defending against any perceived slight against God-King Trump, which naturally lends itself to arguments about him springing up out of nowhere.
It's literally part of the right wing takeover. I've posted this so many times and as far back as may I was calling out the moderators for infiltration and forum sliding.
You can tell putting threads into contest mode works because of how hard it pisses off the brigaders
Actual conspiracy users have no problem taking the extra minute it takes to read through every comment in contest mode. They hate it so much because it puts every comment on equal footing and they can't vote brigade to create a false consensus in this thread.
In regards to your highlighted text, I meant current as in political events from the last election cycle so Trump, Clinton, Podesta, etc would all be included.
ILol actually homie, I'm a Bernie bro (given to us supporters by CTR).
I'm sure the condescending comments (above) is what lead to most of America staying home on election night OR caused people to
Vote against that treasonous cunt. But good one! Thanks for validating my point 😉
You'd have to inject reality into the conversation to have a real conversation. Calling him a liar and a cheat means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Step up your game and be specific. Not personal attacks, not hyperbole. No "may have's" or "could be's" etc. The deep state has nothing outside of what they fabricate. Is he impeached yet? Tick tock. *yawn
If you know nothing about it by now, you're not looking. It's all right here in this sub that you frequent to attack Trump. There are other topics, check them out. Seems like there are a lot of strangers in a strange land.
You go lumping me in as someone who is a Trump homer when I've clearly stated the opposite.
I didn't say you're a Trump supporter and I didn't mean to imply that, because I did see your earlier comment. But you're okay with the fact that people are focusing on the party that's not in power, the party that's been abandoned by their entire voterbase, and that's had a historic and almost unprecedented loss of political power in a single election. You seem okay with the fact that the DNC is getting more attention than the GOP despite the GOP controlling the whole government, and despite the GOP historically having been the primary party of war and stealing liberties in the name of 'security'.
For someone who hates the DNC, you seem awfully okay with letting them get away scot-free just so we can bring down our current version of theater.
I'm definitely not okay with the DNC getting away with anything, but focusing on the DNC while the GOP controls the entire government is literally letting the GOP get away with everything.
The DNC is not controlling the CIA. The DNC is not in charge of the FBI. The DNC is not giving orders to the military. The DNC is not writing laws and executive orders. Those are all being done by Trump and the GOP right now, and that's much more important than Benghazi bullshit or whatever the latest Fox News distraction from the past is.
In reading what I did of your reply to me, it appears as though what I said went right over your head. You still try to paint me up as a Trump homer when I said nothing remotely close to what you are saying I did.
That's not what I said and I'm sorry if I implied that. I'm pointing out how you're "lowkey defending Trump" by basically implying that the DNC is equally relevant in politics to Trump and the GOP - the people that literally control the entire US government.
I know you don't want to be associated with obsequious Trumpets, but it's hard to dissociate everyone who yells "shill bot!" about anti-government conspiracy theorists when it only ever comes in response to the worst abuses and corruption of Trump/GOP.
At the same time, you're either unable to grasp why the relatively powerless DNC doesn't deserve more scrutiny than the people controlling the entire government, or you're being disingenuous and deliberately trying to muddy the waters so that a discussion about Trump/GOP corruption can't ever be properly undertaken here. I'd like to believe it's the former because you've given thoughtful and detailed responses, but effectively the result is the same - the GOP and Trump get to fly under the radar while the relatively petty crimes of ousted Democrats are distracting from the GOP's own major and deeply concerning scandals and abuses.
so all use of contest mode is 'controversial'? It's so new its only been used like 15 times. What are you using as a reference regarding its controversial index?
Mods never said the only reason they use contest mode is to test out marking off every political post. Now you are putting words in the mods mouths.
Did you just put words in my mouth while complaining that I'm putting words in people's mouths? Don't think I ever said this is the only reason they use contest mode did I?
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1 JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-08-09
There sure doesn't seem to be any voting manipulation anywhere ... it has 200-something votes over six or eight hours. I would love to hear an explanation of why this and other stories that criticize Dear Leader Donald Trump get put into contest mode but no other threads ever do?
1 Doobie_daithi 2017-08-09
It goes against their narrative, but it be too blatant to actually remove it like they'd like. Next best is to stifle discussion by setting it to contest mode.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-08-09
We are experimenting with possibly putting all current political related posts into contest mode via Automoderator in the near future. The posts that have recently been put into contest mode by mods are somewhat of a trial of this idea.
The details are still being worked out and debated. It might not ever materialize into anything at all.
We are all quite sick of seeing the RNC/DNC spam that gets posted here daily. And the thoughts behind Automod are that the posts going into contest mode will help to deter those who create the threads as an agenda and deter those who post politically biased comments for upvotes.
As I said it is still a work in progress at the moment. Does anyone have any feedback regarding Automod and political posts? Ideas?
(Just trying to be open and honest here)
Regards,
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
I've got some feedback, don't censor stuff cause it doesn't fit the subs narrative.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-08-09
That's one of the points of debate we are having. This also isn't a /r/politics 2.0 or T_D 2.0 either and many of us and you guys (the users) are sick with the poor content.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
lol what?
This is TD-lite. I thought that was a well accepted fact?
Literally no on this this sub is impartial.. except a handful of mods I guess.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-08-09
Wouldnt it be nice to not have that nickname? Or r/politics - lite on the reverse hand?
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Well, i guess that kind of explains the current state of the Sub.
The mods are so out of touch.. they aren't even aware of what their sub has become.
Cheers man, you're hysterical.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-08-09
You are deliberately being condescending with your posts in order to paint a skewed picture.
We are most certainly aware of what is going on, hence the reason for my explanation of possibly doing something to curb "it."
We get posts daily ridiculing the state of this sub. We want to see it in a better state.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
The irony is palpable.
No amount of fancy language and tricky accusations will stop the majority of people from laughing at how incredibly bias and one sided this sub has become.
You're "curbing" posts that don't fit the narrative here.. you're literally helping censor stuff that doesn't fit the clear cut conservative agenda around here.
And you're treating the viewers like they're too fucking stupid to see it..
It's honestly really funny from the outside looking in.
1 brasiwsu 2017-08-09
Dude, we get it. You don't like contest mode. Quit harassing people about it.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
The mod asked for feedback and I gave it too him.
You're free to not comment at all, or not even read the thread.
1 brasiwsu 2017-08-09
Yeah I saw your feedback about 15 posts up. Getting unhinged about it isn't going to help you though.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Yes, I know you're probably big of censorship of ideas you don't like..
That's part of the problem..
1 brasiwsu 2017-08-09
I wouldn't mind if political posts of both sides were automatically put in contest mode. Would that be OK with you?
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Nope, there's real conspiracies going on at the highest levels of government that we should be discussing.
But when one side has circumstantial evidence based on blogs and unsourced ideas.. and the other side has multiple government agencies investigating, a special counsel investigating, the senate and house investigating..
I think we can all use our brains to figure out which was are valid, and should be taken seriously.. and which ones we can ignore.. or put into contest mode.
1 brasiwsu 2017-08-09
Well if you're seeking out that one-sided discussion, you should check out r/politics. That's been their thing since about August 2nd of last year. As much partisan hackery as you could possibly dream of and more!
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
lol oh yeah, all that "fake news" they're sharing..
Vs all the amazing quality sources that come out of the conservative subs.
You speak of partisan hackery.. but I don't think you know what that means.
1 brasiwsu 2017-08-09
Ah, the source junky. You will fit right in over there. All the big names in media are covered extensively.
Here, we discuss theories (not necessarily news), which is probably why you've been so hostile to the concept of opinions that don't match yours. This may seem pretty off-putting to you, but there are people here who talk about 9/11 being an inside job. As you can imagine there is not much coverage of that theory on CNN, but it's a very intriguing conspiracy and we discuss that here.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
So 9-11 may have been an inside job, but Russia had literally nothing to do with the 2016 Election?
Mkk.
1 brasiwsu 2017-08-09
Well since you bring it up, I just saw some interesting evidence that the guccifer leaks came from a DNC insider. And yeah I think 9/11 may have been an inside job. There is a lot of material out there on 9/11 though. I am open minded about it.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Okay cool you "saw some interesting evidence" super cool.
Here's the Director of National Intelligence's report that specifically says they believe Russia used Guiccifer persona to disseminate leaks.
So we have that, and literally nothing of any merit that shows any of it came from a DNC insider..
Because logic says it was the Russians.. well I guess logic, and the military, and the senate, and the DNI, and the FBI, and the CIA..
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1 brasiwsu 2017-08-09
You also have the official NIST report from 9/11. What can someone like me say in the face of such overwhelming authority?
You're not a conspiracy theorist at all and you're not interested in anything that goes against what you've been told. Come talk to me once you realize your government is capable of lying to you. Until then have fun trying to change hearts and minds across the internet. There low hanging fruit won't be found in this sub.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
The president of the united states colluded with billionaires and Putin to hack and steal the election.
There i believe in the biggest conspiracy in American history...
So, what were you saying?
1 brasiwsu 2017-08-09
I was saying that you're not a conspiracy theorist at all, that you only believe what you are told and to come talk to me when you realize your government is capable of lying to you.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Wow.. that's special.
Ttyl then I guess.
1 brasiwsu 2017-08-09
Ok, I'll be here.
1 WooTs_67 2017-08-09
How does contest mode censor anything, except vote counts
Is that why you guys are so mad?
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
It doesn't censor things in the sense that it removes them.. It removes the ability for the community, or outsiders even, to know what the rest of the community actually feels. It takes the validity away from any good arguments and allows manipulative or false arguments to look good.
There's no way to discuss, analyze, share info.. if everything is random and there are no votes.. it's pointless to even have a conspiracy sub.
When you can manually decide which topics the community can eaisly discuss, and which they can't.. you're limiting the ability to freely discuss whatever is relevant... If the mods side one way or the other, they can simply create an environment where it is impossible to effectively share info on one topic, but not another.
1 WooTs_67 2017-08-09
No, it removes the ability to manipulate discussions. I am all for that, especially with all you /r/politics users
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Hysterical, right no you're completely correct I hope you enjoy your pseudo-censorship.
It will be so enjoyable, I can't wait.
1 johnsom3 2017-08-09
His point wasn't actually about contest mode. That was just another example of a larger issue with this sub in that it gives the appearance of being extremely right leaning.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Go look at the empirical evidence (vote totals and comment patterns) and TRY to prove this in any way. Your opinions are a joke. The saddest thing is watching you try to speak reality into existence when you just sound like a fool.
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
Then why not talk to the community about it? Why are you doing everything in secret?
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-08-09
We aren't, this is a recent development within the last few days. I suppose that I am the first one to comment about it. I asked for some feedback within this thread, please provide any thoughts you have.
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
Few days that is at least 48 hours if I am being generous then you mention it in a post about something else without your Mod flair. That kind of does make it look like it is being done in secret.
Sticky a thread and do this all out in the open for multiple days to give everyone else a chance to see it.
1 johnsom3 2017-08-09
Are you a new mod? Cause this isn't the first time this has been done and this isn't the first time this sub came under attack for appearing to bury the Russia story.
It's a little concerning that you are acting like you are unware of the subs current reputation on Reddit.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
he's talking to you right now about it. how can you justify saying they are doing things in secret? They are the mods - should they be holding an open forum in a coffee shop somewhere?
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
They should pin a post so we call all talk about it.
“But the plans were on display…” “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” “That’s the display department.” “With a flashlight.” “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” “So had the stairs.” “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
What's the grand conspiracy here? That shill companies are getting in trouble because all of there invested capital isn't working?
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
That question can not be answered without violating Rule 10.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
i really do appreciate the awareness of it. I have been critical and I want to see things handled fairly, even if contest mode is annoying to read (its a ton of clicking and you cant just scan a thread)
if its going to be used, fine, but lets be even handed please
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
How can they be even-handed when the manipulation is only happening to an extent where it actually matters on one side?
Show me entire threads derailed by 100+ upvoted comments that just deride other users and offer shitty hot-take comments and jokes? I don't see this happening in any other space.
and where are all the pro-Trump comments voted up over 100 votes that you guys keep talking about? I can't find them. So what are we talking about with 'even-handed' action? Any thread about Trump - pro or anti - gets hit hard by both sides. It's just clear one side is pushing a lot harder than the other. To act ignorant of that betrays your genuineness.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
dude you're acting an asshole. The mod is being nothing but nice. Why are you attacking him with no basis? You're really showing your stripes here...
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
When did everyone start getting triggered so eaisly by criticism?
I've got people crying about hurt feelings over my opinion.. And users in this thread saying /r/conspiracy is a safe space.
What happened to everyone?!?!
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Why are you being hyperbolic in response to my comment?
There's no triggering here, my friend. You are sure great at theatrics tho.
I'm telling you to calm it down because you look silly. That's all. No safe spaces - I can take my bumps. You're being an ass.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Aw, well I'll be nicer so you don't feel as threatened.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
How about letting people have their own opinions instead of trying to paint entire communities (almost half-a-million strong) with a single stroke of the brush. It's plain stupid - anti-intellectual would be an overstatement. Explain to me again how this place is T_D 2.0?
Or is that just you projecting things because you are constantly cat-fighting with Trump supporters?
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Seems like you've identified the issue at hand..
Although I have no control over who can say what here... I'm just a user.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Contest mode doesn't stifle any user's opinion. They are free to comment as much as they like. In fact, they have a better chance of actually having their comment read, as they don't have to compete against people on their 9-5 and bots anymore.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Mmmk then, I'm glad you're interesting in destroying the community through an unnecessary pseudo-censorship system.
I for one don't think random Mods should be in control of what threads we do or don't have random comments on.
We're all big boys, we can decide what we want to view/comment and what we dont.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
the only people who seem to have a problem with contest mode are all the recent users who have shown up more and more. I don't see any stalwart of the community getting bent out of shape - just the new people.
Why do you think that might be?
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
The biggest fucking conspiracy in American History is unfolding in front of our eyes, so people are venturing to the /r/conspiracy sub to discuss it.
Honestly.. is it really that confusing???
You'd think this sub would embrace a massive influx of people interesting in conspiracies..
But NO they simply shut it down..
You don't find that weird?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
What conspiracy is that?
1 mideastmidwest 2017-08-09
Yeah, all you have to do is look at which posts get taken down for Rule 10 and which don't. They're not even hiding it anymore.
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
If I respond to your post will I be protected against punishment for breaking rule 10?
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-08-09
I'm not sure that I understand your comment?
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
Rule 10 states "Posts that attack this sub, users or mods thereof, will be removed. Accusing another user of being a troll or shill can be viewed as an attack, depending on context. First violations will usually result in a warning but bans are at the mods' discretion."
Since attacking isn't defined and I have been told by a mod that posts saying negative things even if factual can be considered attacking will my response to your statements result in me getting banned?
1 purple_pink 2017-08-09
People are scared of getting banned. The mods are so ban-happy these days on anything they disagree with, people are scared to talk about what's going on. It's incredibly ironic.
1 versusgorilla 2017-08-09
Can you not set posts to "new" instead? Wouldn't that stop brigading but leave conversations more intact? Contest mode hides too much and constantly mixing up the posts makes it hard to find quality posts.
Most notably, it rewards people who spam bullshit comments. Someone posting a dozen comments a second means they're going to statistically appear most often at the top of the comments upon refresh. There is one notable user who does this.
1 blazedfalcon 2017-08-09
Then why do we still have mods that post stuff from T_D?
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Wow, was gonna say something how totally organic your comment history was but I see someone already pointed out that your first comment in this sub is from an account 7 days old and you've been shitting in here non-stop since. Enough said.
1 blazedfalcon 2017-08-09
Lol I said two or three things pointing out valid points and you say that? Ok.
Also: it's a 7 day old Reddit GOLD account. Come correct when talking to your betters you subhuman free Reddit user!
1 johnsom3 2017-08-09
How is this poor content? It's the juicest conspiracy of my lifetime and a major figure in the conspiracy just had his door kicked in by the FBI a day after talking with federal instigators.
1 Th3_Admiral 2017-08-09
Best typo ever
1 Jkup 2017-08-09
Oh dude is the MSM involved? Yeah just going by that it isn't true. Because NWO. /s
1 foilmethod 2017-08-09
That's pretty consistent with how this sub has been for as long as I've been here. What's your point?
1 Jkup 2017-08-09
Just because MSM or /politics is talking about shouldn't be instant disqualification of truth.
1 foilmethod 2017-08-09
No, but if you don't think that the MSM doesn't spin stories to suit the TPTB, I'd question why you are in a conspiracy sub.
1 Jkup 2017-08-09
Just because it doesn't fit some ultimate endgame sort of conspiracy doesn't mean it doesn't belong here. Get over yourself.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
the president and his admin are the subject of the conspiracy. that is TPTB
1 foilmethod 2017-08-09
And I don't think that should be ignored. However, that does not mean it should be expected that a conspiracy subreddit won't buy into the narrative the MSM is pushing.
1 metamet 2017-08-09
You... you realize that Trump is TPTB, yeah? And this sub bends over backwards to pretend he isn't.
1 foilmethod 2017-08-09
Well I suppose Trump is an element of the powers that be, but do you consider it out of place for a conspiracy sub to think there are Shadow brokers that really run the show? Or is this place now expected to be lockstep with /r/politics?
1 metamet 2017-08-09
No, it wouldn't be out of place. What is out of place to completely dismiss a very real conspiracy that happened to be picked up by msm bc it doesn't feed this sub's mods' narrative.
1 foilmethod 2017-08-09
Well, as a person who has been a long time lurker and occasional poster on this sub, and as someone who is very anti-Trump, I disagree. It's people demanding belief in the MSM who seem out of place.
1 Eats_Lemons 2017-08-09
You really think the average Joe's belief in the MSM is unjustified? The amount of actually fake news from Fox, Breitbart, Drudge, Infowars, etc. is astounding. And very rarely do they ever correct their articles or retract them except when faced with a lawsuit, while left leaning media organizations seem to be much more proactive and at least try to report facts.
It's fun to hate on the MSM because they skew left, but at the end of the day, the alternatives aren't much better.
1 foilmethod 2017-08-09
This is a conspiracy subreddit...
1 Eats_Lemons 2017-08-09
True, I'm probably expecting too much from this place. There's a line between skepticism and forgery, seems this sub can't discern the 2 quite often.
1 verello 2017-08-09
+1 for hands off. I know you guys mean well but you're fucking the place up with arbitrary application of the rules.
1 TheRealDL 2017-08-09
It's apparent, in your choices of diverging subreddits, of a particular partisanship that cause concern among us simple posters.
1 Space_Hex 2017-08-09
You should put something/anything regarding the DNC in contest mode as well.
Y'know, to show impartiality.
Putting solely anti-Trump threads into contest mode doesn't jibe with your explanation, IMO.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-08-09
I am not entirely sure of all the posts which have been put into contest mode since this started but I do believe that left learning posts already have been included.
If anyone has a compilation of the posts, I would like to see the list, please.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Can you link a single popular post critical of the DNC that has been put into contest mode?
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-08-09
I cant link anything at the moment. I am on mobile and about to step away from Reddit to eat dinner with my family in real life.
Our mod log is public and will show the posts which were out into contest mode.
I will be back in about two hours. Hopefully someone will have provided some assistance.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
excuse me but how can you have an appetite when there is a moderator crisis on /r/conspiracy
im kidding dont ban me
1 Guerrilla_Time 2017-08-09
https://snew.github.io/r/conspiracy/about/log?type=setcontestmode
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Thanks for providing that. Still can't find one from the past 2 months unfortunately.
1 Guerrilla_Time 2017-08-09
Ya, nothing critical of DNC, but there are pro-Seth Rich conspiracy things on there.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Nothing popular I said. Weird how the most popular post was left alone.
1 ElCaminoSS396 2017-08-09
The post about the lawsuit against Fox regarding Seth Rich was put in contest mode when the overwhelming consensus was the conspiracy didn't hold water.
1 Th3_Admiral 2017-08-09
Also note that all of the Seth Rich and Seymour Hersh posts that were put into contest mode were removed from contest mode one day later:
https://snew.github.io/r/conspiracy/about/log?type=unsetcontestmode
This never happened with any of the other posts.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
They don't determine 'contest mode' candidates by topic - they do it by voting and comment behaviors. If the thread is acting strange and there are clear signs of manipulation happening, should they ignore it?
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Can you point me to any clear signs of manipulation happening on the post put into contest mode today? I haven't seen any.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
That's not an explanation. That's something they might do in the future.
When they first announced contest mode, they said it would be used when certain threads saw strange jumps in traffic and voting out of nowhere - which is usually a sign of vote/bot manipulation. If they have the same amount of page-views between 2 threads and one is seeing 500% more comments and votes than the other, it's normal to look into that and try to combat manipulation.
All this spazzing out is over what? why is contest mode so offensive to discussion? All it does is slightly inconvenience the user so that they aren't being fed a steaming pile of bought opinion. For anybody who is truly only interested in having a conversation, this is a non-issue. For anybody who takes an interest in shaping the narrative or trying to convince people of their own (ego-worship), this is hugely offensive.
So which side of things do you sit on? Is the ability to see things 'in order' more important than preserving chaos? Or should we just take our pills like the doctor says and let everyone have an equal shot (aka pay to play). It's not an easy situation.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Can you not read?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
I'll give you that - they are working on new policies and trying stuff out. With that said, I still stand by my comment. They look at vote and comment behaviors as well.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Maybe for other posts. In this circumstance, it was part of a trial based on content, as has been admitted by ShellOilNigeria. If it was due to nebulous point and comment behavior (still waiting for evidence on this point since it seems normal to me), I'm sure he would have said differently.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
He was also on his mobile and had to eat dinner with his family. I don't know if he had access to the information he'd need to prove that to you, or if that's stuff he is free to share.
I guess we'd have to hear from the mod who put it in contest mode to be sure.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
I mean, he didn't even say it was for that reason. This isn't even about not having the evidence. He literally confirmed that this was due to trial of a new policy.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
can it possibly be for more than one reason? does that ever happen?
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Could be, but we've only received one reason. I don't really see a need to speculate further. If the mod who put the post into contest mode was going to state his reason, he would've done so by now.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
How is this not overreaction tho?
What is so inherently evil about contest mode? The only people who could possibly give a shit about contest mode are those who are here for business/money reasons and to those whose egos are so large/fragile that they give a shit about imaginary internet points that are easily manipulated?
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Nothing is inherently evil about it. But it reeks of bias to apply it to some posts and not to others.
I'm absolutely for applying contest mode to all posts uniformly.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
but do you really think its the topic that brings the option to the mod's mind? Or do they suddenly see strange activity and look into it? I don't see evidence that the mods are unfair unless it was the same mod every single time on the same issues. That hasn't been the case tho. People can't even come up with examples where it should have happened. The people crying foul have nothing to cry about - it just shows how effective 'contest mode' is to manipulated responses and vote patterns.
Imagine if you're a guy running an 'online opinion shaping' team and the thread you have poured 30 minutes of work into goes into 'contest mode' - you would be livid. 30 mins of your work would have been ruined, and you're too invested to just drop the thread. It makes for bad business, and that's why i'm all for 'contest mode' anytime there seems to be irregular comment/voting patterns.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Considering a mod literally said it was because of political partisanship, I would go with the former.
Do you support contest mode for all posts?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
political makes more sense to me if those are the two options on the table as it's 24-hr cycle driven and easy to pander to, but I think it should be used on any topic in which comment sliding and vote manipulation trends are showing.
Again, I think it should be conditional on the behaviors in the thread - not on the topic of the thread. Going by topic is foolhardy because it is not the root issue here.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
It's sounding like you're agreeing with me here, because the post was set to contest mode due to topic.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
we'll see how the criteria changes or evolves. I know it started as a vote/comment stat & manipulation thing, but maybe they are debating contest for all topics because all the shills are whining like crazy cause they aren't gonna get more money for their business if we keep doing contest mode.
With that said, if we do contest mode for everything, we end up down a weird, different hallway of censorship which also sucks.
I think the contest mode criteria should be set by behavior in the thread in question. I understand they are testing doing it by different metrics, but I think the way they have been doing it (non-test) is the best way. I haven't seen too many threads that should have had it enabled, and I haven't disagreed with any time it's been used so far.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Can you point to any behavior in the thread in question that you would say is vote/comment manipulation?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
I was just acknowledging it was a test. are you implying this is a confirmed change and something they are doing for sure? you are attributing meaning to things that do not hold it.
From previous mod comments, when they have 2 threads with similar clicks and views but one has multiple times the traffic and extremely high vote totals come in during very small windows, it matches behaviors explained to them as an outside influence or 'brigade'.
For myself, this makes perfect sense. It's only in these hyper-partisan threads do the comments get to such crazy high numbers due to all the sliding and the hot air being huffed at one another. It's not consistent with the community's behavior, so why should I assume it is genuine?
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
But there weren't crazy high numbers. The post was a little over 250 upvotes with 76% upvoted. How is that not consistent with the community?
I've asked you this 3 or 4 times now. Still waiting.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Go to 'New', look to 5 hours back. How many posts have 250 upvotes?
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
This post has 250 upvotes within 7 hours. Obviously later at night you won't see as much engagement as during the afternoon.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Why aren't you giving me an answer? you're going back to your claim that it's not irregular but you can't show me a post from the last 5 hours that has as many upvotes as this. It's a popular post, and if there are metrics or criteria that made it go to contest mode - fair enough. It's very clear there is manipulation going on, and that's coming from a long-time user.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
If you'll wait until tomorrow afternoon during peak hours, I'll be glad to provide you with a post that meets your specifications.
Right now it's 1:20 AM on the east coast, so I don't know why you keep insisting on this when it's obvious that most people post during the day.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Do they? I work so I don't post during the day that much... Don't a lot of other people have jobs as well? So who are these people who are only online during the day?
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
I work too, but right now most people are asleep. Not sure what to tell you. If you want, I'll follow up tomorrow when a post hits 250 upvotes within 5 hours.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6stdha/cannabis_is_not_an_entrance_drug_its_an_exit_drug/
3693 upvotes within 4 hours, but no contest mode.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Is there massive comment sliding?
massive amounts of comments in a short amount of time attacking other users and breeding division?
So why do you feel that post should have 'contest mode' enabled? We were talking anti-Trump vs pro-Trump and you gave me a cannabis thread. Nobody is going to argue against cannabis in 2017 except conservative fuddy-duddys. You are not being fair in your argument.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
I have no idea what you're trying to say any more. You say it's not about topic, then complain that the example I gave you doesn't count because of the topic. I give up.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
All I asked is for an example of a thread where contest mode should have been activated but wasn't. You still haven't given me anything.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
When did you ever ask me for a thread where contest mode should have been activated?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
I keep asking what all this 'outcry' is about, and I keep getting told that contest mode is only ever activated when it's on one side of the partisan spectrum (anti-Trump).
So I am asking you - anyone - where is the egregious example where things were clearly not fair? Where was contest mode not enacted when it should have been?
If you are going whine, bitch, and cry about things, I feel like you should at least be able to give me an example of it actually happening.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
This entire post is about a post where contest mode was enacted controversially.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
so all use of contest mode is 'controversial'? It's so new its only been used like 15 times. What are you using as a reference regarding its controversial index?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Here is a better representation of my point:
Cannabis thread you linked above:
8405 upvotes, 485 comments
Manafort thread about subpoenaed emails:
156 upvotes, 148 comments
Do you see the difference in behaviors? One thread has about 5% comments to upvotes. The other almost has the same number of upvotes as comments.
This is behavior that can sometimes mean there is manipulation happening. Why are people 20x more likely to be commenting in one thread over the other? It shows both a different conversation and a different audience. This is the 'difference' i am referring to.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Or maybe political threads are more divisive, have more down votes, and have lots of people arguing in the comments.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
When contest mode first came into use, the mods said they were using it in context of thread behavior, like comment and vote totals that are not consistent with regular board behavior.
If we have non-political conspiracy posts with a 5% comment to vote ratio, and then all the political posts have massive comment sliding and engagement ratios that are completely out of whack with reality, we can deduce that there might be something fishy going on.
Do you think that 'opinion shaping' doesn't happen online? Do you think that 'shills' and 'brigades' are imaginary? Don't you think it's very possible that they only show up for certain topics?
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Why don't they influence up votes as well? Maybe a lot of people came here to comment because it's big news that trump's campaign manager was raided.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
No, the mod said they were testing using contest mode for EVERY political post, but he did not say that was the only criteria by which they use contest mode.
Look back at the first time they used it. The mods were clear - it has to do with vote/comment totals and strange behaviors on the board. When a thread seems to be hit by influencers, they activate contest mode to try to disrupt it. How is that a bad idea?
Again, the mods didn't say what you say they did. You are pretending that they base this stuff on only one factor, which is not true from what I have seen from the mods.
Also, the mods are in open conflict. Whatever mod you spoke to may not represent the whole.
Because people don't come to /r/conspiracy for politics. That's why /r/politics and /r/The_donald exist. We are trying to push back all of this paid manipulation - the fact that you cannot see that shows you are just a partisan hack like the rest.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Why do you keep going back to other posts? I've only been talking about this one.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Why are you being pedantic? Mods never said the only reason they use contest mode is to test out marking off every political post. Now you are putting words in the mods mouths. It is just one part of the criteria.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Did you just put words in my mouth while complaining that I'm putting words in people's mouths? Don't think I ever said this is the only reason they use contest mode did I?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Then why are you arguing that point? You keep talking about how its all about topic, when the mods said they were testing putting every political post into contest mode. Now you are backing off it. Stop wasting everyone's time - you have nothing of substance to bring to this conversation.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
I wasn't arguing that point. Can you quote where I said every post set to contest mode was because of topic?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
you have brought it up repeatedly in response to me saying there is more criteria to it. Were you playing dumb and giving me leading questions the whole time?
There is no point in continuing this. You will not stand for your own opinions, and you have no interest in having a constructive discussion. It's too bad. Have a good rest of week.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
I will stand for my opinions. It's weird that you can't quote me saying that.
Kind of pathetic actually.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
not getting huffy, just tired of never getting to the point and trying to converse with you when you just backpedal everything... you spent 6 comments saying that the reason the mods put contest mode into play was because it was a political topic, and now you're claiming you never did that. It's dishonest, and frankly, I think you're just trying to distract me from having conversations with others.
I'm not here to convince you. You are not here to be convinced. You are here for other reasons.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Only for this particular post. Which I said because Shell Oil confirmed that.
You sound pretty huffy to me. You keep trying to put words in my mouth, and it's pretty annoying.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
why are you so focused on semantics here? why are you not interested in actually continuing the discussion? like I said, you are just trying to bait me, and guess what? it's all good friend.
I just don't think we're going to get anywhere by continuing this - I haven't seen you actually try to have a real discussion. Considering we are about 20 comments into this and only you and I are still reading it, I don't think it's magically gonna start happening now.
Have a good evening.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
I'm trying to have a real discussion, but you keep accusing me of backpedaling on things I never said. It would be easy for you to produce the proof, but you refuse to do so because it doesn't exist.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
i like contest mode. I think they're using it correctly. that's my take.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Do you support contest mode for all posts?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
if the behavior matches the criteria of a corrupted thread, yes - all threads as long as the behavior is there to justify it.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Why don't you support contest mode for all posts?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
Because it's an extreme position. I think it's necessary based on behavior, not based on classification.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
This is what you said yesterday.
Which category do you fall into?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
I don't care about contest mode in the context of that statement. We were talking about those who were complaining about contest mode as 'caring'. Once again you misrepresent me. Peace bro.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Are you trying to shape the narrative? If you weren't, you would support contest mode for every post.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
arguing for the use of contest mode is against shaping the narrative. you're completely unhinged. get some sleep bud.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Except you're not arguing for it. You just said you don't support all posts being in contest mode.
You need to work on your reading skills dude. This is what I said:
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
why are you trying to push black or white thinking on this?
The situation you are trying to make me answer doesn't exist. We don't need contest mode for every thread. I said it should be determined by behavior. Learn to read.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Why not? Are you trying to shape the narrative by arguing against contest mode?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
go and create your own reddit then with every thread in contest mode. you can go fill a niche. you might also understand why it's unnecessary for every thread. I'm not arguing for extremes here like you are.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
novelty.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
What?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
there's your reason. there are more, but that's a good one. novelty. its fun doing the upvote/downvote thing when there aren't paid teams of bots/people trying to use that novelty against people as an information weapon. This is why contest mode exists - it is a tool to combat manipulation.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Isn't there more novelty in contest mode for all threads since it randomizes the comments?
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
because you don't get feedback on what you are saying. I don't have a problem with upvote/downvote. I have a problem with paid intervention and manipulation. Sorry if that offends.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
It doesn't offend, but it sounds like you're against securing the subreddit from paid intervention and manipulation. I just don't understand why.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
then you have a reading comprehension problem. Can't help you solve it either.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
But contest mode protects against paid intervention and manipulation.
Since you oppose contest mode for all posts, I can only assume that you don't care about paid intervention and manipulation.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
black and white thinkers need not apply.
1 purple_pink 2017-08-09
Or, you know, when they "feel" like there might be brigading. Real scientific.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6slxvz/fbi_conducted_predawn_raid_of_former_trump/dlehpkv/
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
There is clearly brigading happening. Are you ignorant of that?
1 feedmesources 2017-08-09
13 posts set to contest mode 8 days ago.
Yowza.
1 conspiracy_edgelord 2017-08-09
And here we have a perfect example of someone who isn't here to talk conspiracies, but rather politics. Then just enter a textbook Shareblue diversion and viola:
This place is t_d 2.0
Hillary lost, it's over. Let's now completely ignore Hillary and her associates illegal/immoral actions, including flooding the internet with shills or when she cheated to win the Democratic nomination.
Republicans (insert insult/vast generalization here)
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
I'm down to talk about conspiracies, but a mod just said that posts about politics are being put into contest mode.
I don't know how to respond to that without involving politics.
Not sure which of the textbook Shareblue diversions and violas I've said. Can you point to any specific comments?
1 Kind_Of_A_Dick 2017-08-09
I don't think contest mode shows up in the mod log, at least not just from the cursory glance I just did. Is there any way to change that?
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Would this include posts about pizzagate and Seth Rich? If you're going to do this, might as well just put every post automatically in contest mode.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
HAHAHAHAHA be impartial?!?! The mods??
lol
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
LMAO SURE! I'm all for that bc the shills hardly hit the important threads. It's funny, whenever there is a user sourced thread that connects the dots, the shills downvote hard as fuck but never show up in the comments... Yet when WaPo puts out more bullshit propaganda, they show up in full force. Not apparent AT ALL
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
If the shills hardly hit the important threads, then why is it a problem in the first place?
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Full force, so many of the same names coming out of the bushes for this one.
1 Lord__Buckethead 2017-08-09
I see all the usual projectors, yes.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Good one.
1 Loffler 2017-08-09
I think it's going to be very difficult to separate political conspiracies from non-political conspiracies. At some level, just about everything posted here is political. For example, is Seth Rich a political conspiracy theory? On one hand there are people who believe that it's a simple investigation into an unsolved murder. On the other hand, it's been a central part of pro-Trump messaging for the last year. I just think it's going to be more trouble than it's worth, and you're going to catch criticism no matter what.
Also, how have these trial threads been chosen? I don't to to the front page here very often, but I don't remember seeing a contest mode thread that wasn't a bad story for Trump
1 McDrewbs 2017-08-09
In regards to contest mode (I bought this up before to another mod), can you guys sticky a comment explaining why you made the decision when you put a submission in contest mode, so people can discuss it in the relevant submission.
1 afidak 2017-08-09
The only people in thise threads to discuss contest mode are CA and Shareblue shills....
1 johnsom3 2017-08-09
Do you genuinely believe that?
1 mark132012 2017-08-09
They want to use automoderator so it's out of they hands, and you want them to go through and label each one? What are you one of my English teachers? That's what the community's comments are for.
1 McDrewbs 2017-08-09
Automod is able to sticky comments. Contest mode completely shuts down new discussion because no one can find other people talking about specific things, meaning every time Contest Mode is used, no one can discuss it. If they are going to harm new discussion like that, yes an explanation and the ability to freely and easily discuss that should be made possible without the community having to make new submissions like this one to do so.
1 Ignix 2017-08-09
That sounds great! I am all for it, the sooner the better.
1 quads1 2017-08-09
How is only anti trump posts getting this treatment at all an experiment?
Especially is weird when the mod who did it is a known trump supporter
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
I think we might be making a break through.. You think.. Maybe..
Nah I don't want to get banned.
1 quads1 2017-08-09
If you say his name 3 times he will appear and ban you
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Hmmm, not seeing a lot of anti-Trump stuff in here. Quite the opposite actually, almost as if you are full of shit.
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
Removed. Rule 10.
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
It's a double-blind super-secret experiment testing parameters that cannot be disclosed. Sorry.
But if it makes you feel better, your above post indicates that the expected results are in fact manifesting!
/S
/S
/S
;-)
1 quads1 2017-08-09
Did a mod make this comment, like honestly? Full blown meltdown.
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
Did the comment cause you to have a meltdown?
Oops! Unintended side-effect. Sorry! :-/
Duly noted
1 quads1 2017-08-09
You just did, "I know you are but what am I"
You 5real bruh?
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
What? Do you feel that such comments don't constructively contribute to the conversation?
Well, now you know why Rule 10 exists and is enforced.
/Class dismissed
1 quads1 2017-08-09
Grow up.
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Just stop with the sarcasm for a bit please. It makes me think you dont take your job seriously. I get that you dont get paid and take alot of abuse. But the sarcasm is not helpful, especially right now.
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
Appreciate the reply. As I'm sure many others do.
Feedback, flair posts as political and add filters. That way if users themselves don't want to see political posts the users can decide whether or not their posts related to politics are removed or kept out of sight.
As it stands, all threads that are being put into contest mode are ones directly connected to Trump. Its really obvious that there are efforts being made to stop users from posting about him.
For a place that prides itself on allowing people to discuss ideas, this current modteam is doing the opposite when its about the president.
1 JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-08-09
First of all, thank you for actually responding and offerimg some insight into the decision.
To me (and I am sure others) this just smacks of an attempt to silence any criticism of the president, which is especially disturbing action for a conspiracy theory board that should always be critical of those in power.
Contest mode has only been used on stories critical of trump, and the DNC related stories posted at this point are pretty much entirely spam.
1 TheUltimateSalesman 2017-08-09
I just miss when /r/conspiracy was the fucked up non-political shit.
1 037_Engineering 2017-08-09
It's alll political shit.
1 rodental 2017-08-09
To me it sounds like a good idea to put all political threads into contest mode. The worst thing about this sub is that it's overrun by shills from both sides pushing their atupid narratives. I want to have a discussion, not get downvoted into oblivion because I dared to challenge the narrative on whichever thread SB / CA is currently brigading.
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
You can still have your conversation. Im willing to engage with people that get downvoted. And often I receive upvotes, so I know others are reading it.
And you can still have your comment hidden by downvotes in contest mode, so it doesn't change your situation.
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
I think you are not being fair in determining what creates 'contest mode' conditions.
You are saying it has to do with the topic of discussion. However, I would argue that is just the results of the real effect.
The real effect that determines the mods use of contest mode is voting and comment behaviors that are inconsistent with similar threads and historical norms. If they see behavior that is consistent with manipulation efforts, it makes sense to activate something like contest mode.
When you claim that contest mode is only ever used in a single context, that might be because there is only a few influences that are actually powerful enough to trigger it's action. Go and post a pro-trump article with some substance to it and see how many comments and votes roll in. Then go do the opposite and see what happens. I think that's the difference - the type and intensity of attention. The reason other topics don't set off 'contest mode' is because they don't generate enough interest to even notice they are there.
1 ClassicFives 2017-08-09
Then why has it been all posts following a certain narrative that are set that way? For a true test wouldn't it be all of the political posts for a set time?
1 Citizen90222 2017-08-09
So when you say political does that apply to every politician, political story and everything associated with politics?
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
democrats only
1 Citizen90222 2017-08-09
So when you say political does that apply to every politician, political story and everything associated with politics?
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Thanks for being open and upfront. I personally do not like contest mode. Its tiresome to have to expand to read all comments. I would rather see a one post per topic rule. No duplicate posts, etc. But I honestly dont know how much work that would be.
I mean people still vote in contest mode, so vote manipulation is still possible.
And what about users that spam threads with off topic posts? I tried to report one but I dont really see any rules against this. Is it possible to do somethimg about this? I check some of these histories and I see one month old accounts with like -200 Karma. Can you just stop accounts like that from posting? If someone really feels like they need a throwaway account on this sub, at least make them put some effort into their comments or building up their throwaway
1 Tsugua354 2017-08-09
So is this the truth or is because of "brigading?" y'all spin so many versions of the story you should apply for Kellyanne's job
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
That's not a bad idea. The real users are extremely frustrated
1 notmadjustnomad 2017-08-09
Thank you
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
The more I think about it, Im ok with hiding the vote counts. But I like to read most of the comments like an ongoing conversation, scrambling the order makes it impossible
1 waiv 2017-08-09
It's weird coincidence that you're "trying" this idea only with threads that are negative about Trump.
1 Contrary_mma_hipster 2017-08-09
Ahh, anything besides harmless Ancient Aliens or JFK assasination theories gets pooh-poohed as a "political" conspiracy by safe-space whiners and the paid help.
But actual conspiracies with people in power today that people can take action about now - yeah so sick of those posts! /s
1 mendopnhc 2017-08-09
im sure all clinton foundation posts will be in protest mode from here on in right?
1 ermanito 2017-08-09
Another mod told us it was because of brigading and yet another mod told us that there wasn't any evidence of brigading.
Can you guys please agree on a narrative?
This makes it look like there's some major conflict going on in the mod team.
1 qwertyqyle 2017-08-09
I like the idea. Im sure its frustrating as F for the people who fall on one side, or the other of the hegelian dialect. But this is a place for free thinkers. People who should be able to see both sides of the coin, with no need to chose.
1 PantsMcGillicuddy 2017-08-09
I really don't get why they would do it so late after it's been posted too! At first when I saw this thread, I expected it to be a joke. But nope, just our standard evenhanded modding.
I'm sure the "reason" will he brigading again, but everyone knows that's bullshit.
1 nusyahus 2017-08-09
A whopping 230 votes in 6 hours with a 76% upvote ratio. Totally getting brigaded by hate subreddits. Totally.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Ahaha just checked out u/nusyahus profile.. Who is constantly posting in r/enoughtrumpsam, that's cute 😉 I bet "people" like you are the reason that Americans went and voted against that Treasonous cunt. Thanks for handing us douche bag Donnie!
1 TrumpRusConspiracy 2017-08-09
I guess you are proof that admins really do nothing.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Ahaha right... Bc censor the dude calling out said shilling only to allow said shilling. Cool story bro. Please do tell us, how deeply you care about this community of "free thinkers"
1 Tall_Trombone_Guy 2017-08-09
My god, what a sad life you lead.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Ouch, that hit me right in the Internet EGO...
Have you ever dropped acid?
1 Tall_Trombone_Guy 2017-08-09
More like the internet id, but moving on.
Once, it was plenty for me, but please, back to your attempts to derail this thread. If you were more welcoming, perhaps people would take conspiracies outside of the Trump-Russia one more seriously?
1 creq 2017-08-09
Rule #10
1 crielan 2017-08-09
Was his comment reinstated by another mod?
1 Ferelderin 2017-08-09
Seems like it; you can search his username on the modlog (https://snew.github.io/r/conspiracy/about/log) and find that Flytape approved that comment again. Creq seems to try and get some actual moderation in while other mods undo his work by unbanning previously banned spammers and re-approving comments previously deleted for breaking the rules. For example, MAGABolt was banned by Creq twice, and twice unbanned by DronePuppet.
Looks like a shit environment to try and be an actual moderator without an agenda.
1 crielan 2017-08-09
I can't get that link to work on mobile unfortunately. Thank you for looking and confirming it.
They are fighting a losing battle and it's only a matter of time before they quit or are removed but I appreciate his effort.
Also it's pretty clear that the maga person is either a mod alt or a close friend as they've had numerous rule breaking comments and personal attacks.
Which is a cowardly thing to do in my opinion. Similar to Hillary or Powell setting up private emails to avoid FOIA requests and transparency. Which is ironic they resort to using the same tactics that they claim to hate others for.
Like subverting democracy by entering threads into contest mode or outright removing ones that were voted to the front page because it's not favorable to their views.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Ahaha oh no! Please stop your with your downvote scripts! Your imaginary downvotes are hurting my internet ego 😂😂
If only shills were relevant IRL.. But they aren't! What happened to r/esist and r/marchagainsttrump ?? Where are all the mass trump riots in the streets?
1 [deleted] 2017-08-09
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1 Dzugavili 2017-08-09
And TMOR after the "brigade therefore contest" logic.
1 feedmesources 2017-08-09
Lol I tried linking totesmessenger and it was removed by automod.
1 Guerrilla_Time 2017-08-09
They don't like Totes cause they say users here will brigade those subs, but then they say they are being brigaded and no one can actually check. I like to check totes and search "in conspiracy" to see what topics get linked to other places. Many times there isn't a link to anywhere or there are only a few with little votes and no discussion. Who knows where they get their brigading excuse from then, besides it's an excuse when votes/discussion doesn't go their preferred way.
1 _____42_____ 2017-08-09
I'd be genuinely surprised if they don't ban you for this post.
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
It's being brigaded by shills. It's abundantly obvious to the rest of us
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
If its abundandy obvious surely you can provide an example or form an arguement?
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
Yea, this thread
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
What about this thread? Explain with words please.
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
This entire thread is full of boys and shills
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Show me an example. Just copy and paste what the text of a shill looks like, no username needs to be included.
Just saying this thread is full of them doesnt make your point. Its low effort, and honestly reflects poorly on your arguement.
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
I'm not sure how to illustrate it any better. This entire thread is shills and bots talking to each other with a few real users mixed in.
Pointing out a single comment wouldn't do it any justice. It's an army of shills manipulating the entire thread by manipulating the vote counts and flooding the discussion with hundreds of comments. Any attempt at pointing it out quickly gets buried.
Why do one comment when it's the whole thread? But I have a feeling you understand how it works
1 get_it_together1 2017-08-09
What if if it's an army of shills using the idea of shills to discredit anyone who thinks there's something to the Trump-Russia conspiracy? Of all the conspiracies on this sub, the Trump-Russian conspiracy is the only one that receives a massive backlash from a certain subset of users here.
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
You are making excuses, not an arguement. Are you not flooding this discussion with throwaway comments? It may not be shilling, but when people say stuff they know isnt true they come off weak. Unwilling to provide examples or form an arguement.
I told you how you could illustrate it for me. Because you seem to struggle with the idea that we might not have the same understanding. You say this thread is filled with shills. I only see a couple, yeah they make a lot of comments. But the scoring system seems to work with those people.
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
What have I said that isn't true? What have you said that is true?
There's no other way to say it: this thread is full of shills. A rough estimate I'd say about 75% of comments are shills. And the voting is manipulated beyond comprehension
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Is this a rough estimate or a number you just picked? Can you show the math for your estimate? No you cant. That estimate isnt true without the math to back it up. Youve wasted my time. Goodbye.
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
Lol why are you defending shilling? This is new to me. Didn't think ppl supported it
1 regular_poster 2017-08-09
Calling you a bullshitter isn't "defending shilling"
1 mark132012 2017-08-09
Why so they'll lose their jobs? Shills gotta bring food to the table too, you know.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Rule 10 protects shills, ban bait.
1 Lord__Buckethead 2017-08-09
65/681 comments in that post are yours.
Very "progressive" of you.
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
What's that have to do with supporting Bernie?
1 Lord__Buckethead 2017-08-09
Sorry, you need to use "BernieBro" or I won't know you're serious.
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
Whatever you want to call it. Did you have a point? Or are you just harassing ppl
1 Lord__Buckethead 2017-08-09
I'm not harassing anyone. You're complaining about brigading when you have close to 10% of the comments there, and you're one of those Trump supporters that isn't very good at pretending they're not. Makes your comment funny as hell.
1 Tsugua354 2017-08-09
10% from 1 person, talk about "organic"
1 nyetFellowHuman 2017-08-09
A person that was permanently banned earlier today after repeat rule 10 violations, but then another mod unbanned him for whatever reason.
1 Tsugua354 2017-08-09
Seems like there are some very legitimate problems with the mod team that need to be rooted out
1 FluentInTypo 2017-08-09
Huh. I wonder if thats why my post didnt do well here. Kind of surprised since its has all the key surveilence material and a leak on building up a surveillence system by the big military contractors.
https://reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6sp1sa/trumps_extreme_vetting_program_will_be_able_to/
1 ModsDrinkTrumpCum 2017-08-09
Take a wild guess.
1 Wtfyoulosers 2017-08-09
Ha!
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
awww poor guy! Why are you focusing all your energy on one menial dude? Shouldn't we focus on taking down all the corrupt fucks? Or just trump? I'd like to hear your response, fellow "free thinker"
1 DrStevenPoop 2017-08-09
It's done to make brigading the comments ineffective. Seems to work well, as the brigade congregates in threads like this instead.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Actually, the mods should turn ALL threads that hit 500+ comments. It's fun and it starts more discussions. Shills hate it bc, their upvote/downvote scripts are useless (hence why all the shill uproar everytime contest mode is implemented)
1 HereWeGoAgainDude 2017-08-09
They never seem to care when the_donald boards the short bus and heads over here to make our front page the same as theirs when something bad happens to the DNC.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Ahaha and herewego again always showing up, shitting on Donnie. Aha another great divide tactic. HereWeGoAgain loves to shit on trump and trumpets but who's got the laugh.. The constant trump hate is a shitty attempt to polarize and divide. That's fucked homie. That kind of attitude is what lead the dems to implode.. Yet you never talk about that.. Why not? Are the dems in any postion to be dishing shit on trump?? They have nothing left and yet they are still trying to spread further divide. How fucking sad
1 quads1 2017-08-09
How many accounts of yours have been banned from this sub?
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
thats a rules violation
1 quads1 2017-08-09
Asking how many accounts someone has had?
No having many accounts to evade bans is a site wide violation. He should be perma IP banned from this sub by admins. It's at least his 5-10th account
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
evading a ban is a rules violation, not your post
1 quads1 2017-08-09
Gotcha, yeah I'm sure he's been reported many times by many users, I remember u/trumprussiaconspiracy (is that it?) has noted it in the past. mods seem to have a vested interest in him and peyote and leaving them unbanned.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
peyote seems to be a very active thread submitter. really helps to control the narrative
1 Loud_Volume 2017-08-09
I.. Do you have autism?
You realize you're doing what you're screaming at others for doing?
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Aww why are spreading more Donald hate? Why are you constantly hating downward towards your fellow countrymen? That's pretty sad that you are singling out half of the county based on a puppet politican.. Maybe r/conspiracy isn't for you.
1 Sirkke 2017-08-09
Two messages to him in 5 minutes. Trumptards get triggered just as easily as the manbaby himself.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
ILol actually homie, I'm a Bernie bro (given to us supporters by CTR). I'm sure the condescending comments (above) is what lead to most of America staying home on election night OR caused people to Vote against that treasonous cunt. But good one! Thanks for validating my point 😉
1 psyderr 2017-08-09
It's very Shipley in this thread
1 quads1 2017-08-09
The whole fake Bernie supporters shpeal gets real old real quick.
1 WooTs_67 2017-08-09
Why do mods let these non users come in attack others and have nothing happen.
We say something, we get warnings/bans.
1 DrStevenPoop 2017-08-09
I always see complaints about t_d here, and people claim that this sub is so pro-Trump, but then I see anti-Trump propaganda every day with like 75% upvotes. So, either these post are getting to the front page via brigading or botting, or the people complaining about this sub being t_d 2.0 are lying and this sub is actually overwhelmingly anti-Trump. It has to be one or the other, and I think it's pretty obvious which one it is.
1 OopsAllSpells 2017-08-09
You mean the events happening in the world every day?
1 DrStevenPoop 2017-08-09
Propaganda: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause.
Just because an event happened, doesn't mean that the articles written about it are not propaganda. Effective propaganda is based on fact and twisted to suit an agenda.
1 ganooosh 2017-08-09
True. That's the impression I get. I only just heard about it the other day.
Seems pretty obvious what's happening when every other thread in the sub has far less comments than the thread here or there that has hundreds or even thousands of comments in it.
1 Loffler 2017-08-09
I want to answer your question, but I can't do that without breaking rule 10
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
So you're scared to speak out.. about censorship.. for fear of the repercussions.
Hmmm... :|
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
In something completely unrelated to your post, I once read an article that showed George Soros was funding an astroturf campaign through David Brock/John Podesta MediaMatters, Correct the Record and the scumbag, fascist commies at ShareBlue (aka progressives) to infiltrate sites like Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. They run about 50 accounts each to give the false impression that their view and ideology is mainstream, when in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. Those people are described perfectly in the book 1984. You know, the ones who proclaim "Ignorance is Strength!" It's funny because they actually think it's working. If it's true that this happens, it's completely desperate and pathetic.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
I honest to god cannot tell if this is sarcasm or if you're actually that crazy.
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
Just something I investigated a bit. After a quick fact check, I've discovered that it's absolutely true.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
You must not frequent this sub very often. Haven't you read the CIA document instructing the media etc to manipulate the masses into calling anyone who questions the mainstream narrative "Crazy" or "Conspiracy Theorists" and to mock and ridicule them with petty, unintelligent diatribe? If you look hard enough, you'll see it everywhere. Those in the know are unaffected by such intellectually lazy slurs. It's comical and sad at the same time.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
I must have missed that chapter in school.
1 Nomad_Shifter42 2017-08-09
The best part of this whole exchange is that no matter how matter how crazy and out there he seems, you are more than likely the one who is incorrect. It is a proven fact that Sorors funded CTR and ShareBlue, just like it is proven fact that these organizations run many fake "shill" accounts on social media. It is also more than likely true that they learned a lot of these plays from the CIA. This sub a safe space to talk about shit like that. Acting like you are right now just makes you look like the silly one.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Lmfao.
Hey everyone this dude this /r/conspiracy is a safe space!
1 missyshimmy 2017-08-09
Wow you are being an unbelievably rude and nasty. There is no need to be that way.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
I'm confused, don't we hate liberals because of how eaisly they get triggered!??!
1 missyshimmy 2017-08-09
Nice try deflecting.
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
I'm on the right man, but I agree with shimmy, and even though I too make a lot of mistakes just like you just did (and worse) two wrongs never make a right, a simple apology and explanation why usually goes a long way.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
So I should apologize for being upset at coordinated censorship?
Jesus.. I was unaware of how sensitive everyone was...
This is pretty funny.
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
I'm upset about it too. Believe me I deal with them following me and banning me everywhere I go.
This is Reddit, 90% of it is populated by literally Progressive marxist indoctrinated college students who have weaponized fee fees and safe spaces.
It's fucking pathetic, I agree, remember though this strife and breakdown is literally the goal of Marxist nihilism, to break down everything to cause a revolution to bring in their "utopian" communism.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
lmao
1 DarkSideOfBlack 2017-08-09
WTAF. Are we now saying that the white men didn't kill the Native Americans?
That video is a trip man.
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
Oh you accepted the PC version and stopped there without further knowledge!
No... you see it was not that cut and dry buttercup, and attacks and treaties broken happened all around in a place that was not a country and populated by tribes at war with each other already.
You know like landing in L.A.
Yay.
1 joltto 2017-08-09
And what of Robert Mercer and Cambridge Analytica and Russian active measures? David Brock's shitrag pales in comparison to the scale and malice of those propaganda efforts.
1 leslieizcute 2017-08-09
The fact this is so significantly downvoted tells you everything you need to know and proves your point. What you just said is 100% factual and verifiable.
1 JGroff12 2017-08-09
Holy shit...why is that your litmus yet for truth?
1 leslieizcute 2017-08-09
Because what he states is 100% verifiable and factual. You got something wrong with your reading comprehension boy?
1 Pharos814 2017-08-09
Except it's not. Ctr spent 6 million dollar's a fucking year ago. Meanwhile Cambridge analytica spent 60 million in support of trump and are now taking over local new in the majority of the country to try and change the narrative. You all have been accusing everyone what you're guilty of. Not surprising though
1 leslieizcute 2017-08-09
Lol? Defensive much. I'm not getting paid for my opinion and calling others shills on this board is against the rules. Go back to r/politics normie.
1 Foxprowl1 2017-08-09
I hope you get all your summer reading done, champ.
1 leslieizcute 2017-08-09
Summer reading is for children, enjoy your last two weeks before you start 9th grade. I have a feeling you will fail.
1 Foxprowl1 2017-08-09
Very good, sport! You figured out I was calling you a child!
Good luck finding your fidget spinner.
1 leslieizcute 2017-08-09
Get more karma before you address me
1 Pharos814 2017-08-09
Ah yes, a "proven fact"...that ctr spent 6 million a damn year ago and hired a whopping 24 people. Meanwhile it's also a proven fact that Cambridge analytica spent 60 million a's well as buying out and consolidating almost 70% of local news stations to try and influence the narrative. Projection, thy name i's r/noman_shifter4
1 Nomad_Shifter42 2017-08-09
I dont understand how you are both being argumentative and presenting more proof that my point was correct, all in the same comment. The fact that there are more/bigger shill corporations doing the same thing doesn't mean I was projecting or incorrect.
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
Of course you missed it because I don't think you like conspiracies, which raises the question... why are you even here? (Let me guess, you enjoy debunking conspiracies. lol) What did you major in? Propaganda dissemination 101? I hear you can land a great job for $15/hr right out of school. That'd be a sweet gig, no?
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Well, our current government is about to implode because the president and his rag tag group of liars and cheats are too incompetent to do anything in politics.
They're in the middle of trying to cover it all up and start a war to hold on to power..
But the conspiracy sub just wants to talk about how evil George Soros is..
Honestly is fucking baffling.
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
You'd have to inject reality into the conversation to have a real conversation. Calling him a liar and a cheat means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Step up your game and be specific. Not personal attacks, not hyperbole. No "may have's" or "could be's" etc. The deep state has nothing outside of what they fabricate. Is he impeached yet? Tick tock. *yawn
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
lol it must be rough being in a constant state of denial and deflection.
I can't even imagine not following the news at all.. Everything must be really really confusing to you huh?
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
I read the mainstream garbage all the time. The difference between you and I is that I venture outside the propaganda and have learned how to quickly identify spin. It's so easy to see. Progressives are so predictable. Using the same words, slurs, attacks, demoralization tactics etc. I'm not in denial Mr. Alinsky, I know the truth and no amount of fuckery on the parts of the commies will send me back into my previous ignorance. Thank God almighty, I am free at last.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
/r/iamverysmart wants their content back.
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
Case in point. Predictable. Step up your game. You educated folk love some TedTalk, right? Here's a good one for you if your attention span can hold up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Honestly dude I still feel like I'm getting trolled..
You either need to step up your game..
Or argue with dumber people.
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
Did you just say "I know you are but what am I?" then plagiarize the comment you're replying to, then say you're too smart for me? lmao
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
At this point I honestly don't even know what you're talking about.
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
All that schooling went to waste? Enjoy being in debt for the rest of your life. Yikes!
1 AudaciousAsh 2017-08-09
bravo man, solid effort
1 Nogrim6 2017-08-09
... like every single government before it? and every single government that will follow it.
1 Needmyvape 2017-08-09
Why are you here?
You are only interested in theories that help justify your support for trump.
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
Of course not. I've been here a long time, in an Arya Stark kind of way.
I really became active when the mother load of conspiracies dropped. It was called Wikileaks. I'm sure you heard of it but as for me, I spent at least 14 hours per day sifting through the emails. If you would have done the same, you'd be just like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmW_yeRO2no
1 Needmyvape 2017-08-09
How many times im 14 hrs can you read about hotdogs?
1 philsebbens 2017-08-09
If you fact checked it and have the proof why not just post that instead of something that belongs on /r/iamverysmart ?
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
If you know nothing about it by now, you're not looking. It's all right here in this sub that you frequent to attack Trump. There are other topics, check them out. Seems like there are a lot of strangers in a strange land.
1 philsebbens 2017-08-09
Yeah man, I've been shilling for eight years.
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
I'm not saying you do this but I just read an article today (from last year) showing you can buy accounts for $50. Let me find it...
Here: http://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook?source=twitter&via=mobile
1 philsebbens 2017-08-09
I honestly wish someone would offer me money for my account. Sounds like a good deal for something that is pretty much worthless to myself.
1 joltto 2017-08-09
Because he "fact checked" via some randos YouTube channel about subliminal illuminati messages in pop music videos.
1 Zergged 2017-08-09
They're actually Luciferian Francist mystery religions doing their best to replenish the Cup of Filth to bring about their version of the Messiah, but I suppose that's too religious for you.
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
The leftist narrative you mean.
1 Nogrim6 2017-08-09
please just stop with this stupid left vs. right bullshit, you guys out yourselves with it instantly.
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
I'll think, speak and say whatever I want to, if you want to change my opinion speak and educate, I am far more aware of nuances than you might think I am. You haven;t an idea even, who I am to assume anything about me.
1 Nogrim6 2017-08-09
well if you want to play in to their hands and try and further divide people over arbitrary color based parties like a child then by all means go ahead, just don't expect anyone with half a brain to value your opinions or give your views any clout.
4 legs goood! 2 legs BAD!!!!!
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
Ok, smart guy. Are you aware of the occult principles behind the political ideologies?
1 crielan 2017-08-09
I agree. Especially that Kushner guy.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
I really like your writing style
1 legacy1986 2017-08-09
i thought i was the only one.....
1 AssNasty 2017-08-09
Wtf? Calling a conspiracy theorist crazy? Wtf are you even doing here if your going to be a dick? He hit a little too close to home for you?
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Do you not see the -12 on his comment and the +29 on mine...?
Even the community thinks he sounds fucking crazy..
We're here to discuss reality, not some peoples fantasies.
1 Magason 2017-08-09
It's going to get crazy when more and more of the once previously silent majority begin speaking up and the old tactics don't work. Look how fast score was pointed to. You have -12 I have +29, I'm right, you're wrong and everyone thinks so.
more people are keen to the ability to buy votes, manipulate scores, farm a bunch of posters, create bots, etc.
people are speaking up and saying, "uh, nope, what that guy said actually sounds pretty reasonable."
Good for you!
1 AssNasty 2017-08-09
His account got deleted really fast. I've seen these tactics before from r metacanada vs r Canada drama a while back. It's been under brigade for a while now, this sub is going to be useless soon unless the mods do something drastics. Something tells me the sub barely survived pizzagate and it got pin pointed as a main dissemination point.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
So wait are you accusing me of Manipulating the score, buying votes, or farming posters?
Please, by all means.. accuse me if you're going to.
It's sad that you've made a reality where you're not wrong, even though the evidence says you're wrong.. because it was probably faked.
So either show that I'm somehow manipulating my posts.. or accept that you guys are simply wrong.
1 Magason 2017-08-09
Who's "you guys"?
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
The people who wouldn't know what was real and what was fake if it was labeled in big red letters??
1 influentia 2017-08-09
Why the fuck do the pro-government people here keep spreading these lies without evidence?
Everyone in the world that disagrees with you is some sort of shill or bot? It's not possible that people hate a proud racist who brags about sexual abusing women, says he wants to murder people's families, and has billions of dollars tied up with Russian interests?
Get out of the box and have a look at the world around you. Look at the opinion polls, look at the internet, talk to people outside of your circlejerk.
Trump is despised by most of the world and it sure as hell isn't sceptics that have decided he's pure and incorruptible.
The Koch brothers and News Corp have been around spreading lies and propaganda a lot longer and have had much more influence than the enemies they've invented to make it seem like your support for the government isn't an aberration.
This comment was written by a real fucking human being who knows a lot of real fucking human beings who share this view, and I'm definitely not going to be surprised when it turns out that all of the "OMG so many CTR shareblue bots" people all turn out to be shills for Cambridge Analytica.
1 AssNasty 2017-08-09
Them why'd he delete his account?
1 Sabremesh 2017-08-09
Rule 4.
1 joltto 2017-08-09
Lmao.
1 Kind_Of_A_Dick 2017-08-09
That's nice.
1 fuckswithboats 2017-08-09
We know for a fact this type of thing goes on
I'm curious if you have any examples of these ideas
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
The website where I archived my info was shut down and search engines are unreliable, at best. There was a photo floating around on Reddit showing a work station? It came out around the time of the Wiki dumps.
1 fuckswithboats 2017-08-09
I am certain of these attempts at astroturfing so I'm not debating the concept whatsoever
The line that caught my attention was where you said "give the false impression that their view and ideology is mainstream"
Any non-mainstream ideas that are presented as such?
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
"my girlfriend goes to another school"
lol
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
donald trump is not the greates leader who ever lived
hillary clinton probably doesnt run a sex dungeon hidden in a dc pizza place
donald trumps admin may have attempted to collude with russia in a quid pro quo for repealing sanctions
mueller is onto something.
1 LightBap 2017-08-09
How is this comment -12?
1 Atrocitus 2017-08-09
Take a guess.
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
Your down votes hit a nerve. And that is with my + to try to help truth over marxism.
1 Atrocitus 2017-08-09
This is truth, I don't know why you are being downvoted.
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
Its been infused with SJW Googlesque cultural marxist censorship for as long time. Too long.
1 TitaniumDragon 2017-08-09
Last year it was a bunch of crazy alt-right people ranting about Hillary Clinton and liberals.
1 quads1 2017-08-09
Wow how many buzzwords can you throw out in one sentence...
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
It's not a buzzword when it is documented. It is factually accurate.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
nice truth bomb, fellow red pilled pede
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
Praise KEK!
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Oh jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
I guess nationalist authoritarian censorship by rich white people is your preference...
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
Nice strawman, call out extremist excess, be called an extremist for calling it out, totally baseless.
Nice try thanks for accusing me of things you have literally no idea about me SJW extremist.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Damn you're like king of the buzzwords huh?
Cheers mate, take care.
1 Aldebaran333 2017-08-09
What buzzord? You mean the factually accurate one?
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
People don't like articulate points that make them think and re-evaluate their point of view.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
haha
1 -G-A-R-D-E-N-E-R- 2017-08-09
Been interesting since 2008
[cue spooky music]
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Sure you can. The rules are long gone. If the mods/admins upheld the rules then there wouldn't be a massive campaign to manipulate opioions online and pin fellow country men against one another instead of focusing all the hate on 1 puppet lame duck president but here they are.
1 _____42_____ 2017-08-09
If the rules mattered you would have been banned a few times just from your replies in this post alone.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
BAHA dude I've been suspended for calling out CTR in the midst of the primaries. My comment got to the top and was calling out the mods and admins for letting this shit show continue. 7k upvotes then suspended... Do you think I'm going to let these dumb fuck shills attempt to censor us? They are here to silence and stop all discussions. We have exposed them and now they have hired online goons to "censor" anyone who speaks out
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
It hurts my head reading this.. it's like you're not even self-aware.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Awww poor dude! You claimed that this sub is T2.0.. thats cute. I'm sure you are here for good discussion. Lol
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Wow, you deleted your comment but you've still got the balls to criticize someone else?
Do you ever wonder why people don't take you seriously at all?
1 Rayfloyd 2017-08-09
They still believe it is 😂
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
This entire post was more or less an r/topmindsofreddit post within our own sub, all the same commenters, long having been tagged circlejerking eachother's hyper-partisanship.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
um the mods are putting threads into contest mode. they are upholding some type of rules
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
None of the rules cover using contest mode.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
right, which is why its weird its being implemented.
The post i was responding too was seeming to imply the mods were taking no action, but they are taking action, but its following some rules that none of us are aware of
1 Guerrilla_Time 2017-08-09
From modlogs http://i.imgur.com/rkTbv64.jpg
1 armchairCueB 2017-08-09
Shoko AsaharaDonald J. Trump can't do wrong, nothing less and nothing more.1 Tsugua354 2017-08-09
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6slxvz/fbi_conducted_predawn_raid_of_former_trump/dlejrqh/
mod also preemptively stifling future posts. must have predicted some future brigades
1 paulie_purr 2017-08-09
Nostradamus?
1 JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-08-09
Lol I'm gonna start posting a bunch of Seth Rich stuff now just to see it go into contest mode.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
holy shit. how is this defensible?
1 quads1 2017-08-09
They just call it a joke later after it gets called out
1 QandA_120 2017-08-09
Huh, just like Trump does....
1 QandA_120 2017-08-09
Wow. You know, a lot of this subs problems and credibility issues revolve around that guy.
Remember the laughingstock he made when he hosted that live stream and he was wearing that ridiculous gas mask and vaping the whole time? Holy shit
1 PiercePyrite 2017-08-09
This mod takes the approach of 'all MSM is propaganda and should therefore be suppressed here'.
So I suppose if you want to talk about things being reported by the MSM, particularly the liberal side of the MSM, then you'd better post it to 4chan first and then link to that here.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
I dont see how they can argue against that. whenever someone says "wapo/nyt/newsweek? lol fake news!" and you ask them what sources we should trust you get silence. what they want to say is trump tv or the presidents twitter feed, or Sputnik
1 Dzugavili 2017-08-09
Does anyone know who did it?
I suggest we could probably infer a motive from their identity, and then spin stories, increasing wildly outlandish until they explain themselves.
1 mcvey 2017-08-09
1 Dzugavili 2017-08-09
My rough of his profile suggests he is a light-right. Quite restrained, compared to the archetypes we see these days.
He has a number of pro-Trump statements and it would seem he has concluded the Russia narrative is false.
We'll see how he reacts.
1 Cunnilingus_Academy 2017-08-09
It's getting ridiculous, mods couldn't be more obvious if they tried
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Maybe we should remove the mods? So that "new" mods can step in and add more rules like submission approval. Then once things are being approved by the "new mods" maybe then r/conspiracy can move towards a "whitelist" approval system, where only "trusted MSM sources" can be submitted.
I believe this is what the shills are looking for no?
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Or stop putting threads into contest mode, or at least be more transparent on why some threads go to contest and some dont. That is what we are asking for.
1 Tecumsehs_Revenge 2017-08-09
The manipulation here is at least worth a chryon. Won't be long until an outlet pics it up.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Now why would media outlet care what a group of "free thinking" individuals discuss on the web? Would it be to manipulate and disrupt all the current ongoing discussions? Those discussions that lead to exposing corruption even when most the media turns a blind eye?
1 wavecollapse 2017-08-09
They need to clear the narrative for investors.
1 feedmesources 2017-08-09
According to u/totesmessenger, the only sub that had linked to the post prior to contest mode was r/betternews
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6slxvz/z/dle6s35
So I guess "offsite brigade" will be the reason.
1 MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD 2017-08-09
"I only have three front page posts on this topic waahhhhh"
1 afidak 2017-08-09
Because it's being brigaded hard by people with no post history in /r/conspiracy that only believe in this single conspiracy spouting talking points straight out of /r/politics.
1 Dzugavili 2017-08-09
So, what are the valid talking points on this subject?
1 tellthebandtogohome 2017-08-09
None exist.
1 EliteCombine07 2017-08-09
Isn't that convenient
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
yeah we need president approved talking points
1 iprobablyneedahobby 2017-08-09
Will a folder full of pro-Trump headlines and flattering Trump photos suffice? How about 2 of them a day?
1 feedmesources 2017-08-09
They're guilty of wrongthink?
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
Lol be prepared to get hit with the downvote scripts for just speaking the truth.
But remember, they are just imaginary downvotes and they don't mean a thing IRL. Actually, the amount of negative downvotes only gives me confirmation that my words are nothing but truth. If what I said was false, there would be valid comments against my statement. But they never challenge the truth.. Only computer downvote scripts.. American propaganda is literal shit lol
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Your user name probably dissuades people from engaging in conversation with you.
1 mark132012 2017-08-09
Doesn't seem to be true in this thread, he's getting a lot of responses with his comments.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
these arent scripts. its one by one manual labor
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
ITT: a community of free thinkers now respects and adores the CIA WaPo. GOOD ONE! Once again! They have us "free thinkers" fooled with their ever effective tactics.
1 _spacedtime 2017-08-09
Dude right? I get all my news from youtube videos like a real info warrior. Alex Jones & Jordan Peterson for life!
1 FuckMeBernie 2017-08-09
I legit can not tell if this is a joke or not
1 _spacedtime 2017-08-09
trolling is a art,
1 sudo-tleilaxu 2017-08-09
good trolling is an art,
FTFY
1 Filth7 2017-08-09
Whats up with that Jordan dude. Did he just blow up recently?
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
yeah because of the sjw shit. thats not interesting at all to me, but his evolutionary psychology lectures on human myths and their evolutionary connections is fucking fascinating
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
why put jordan peterson anywhere near alex jones? not remotely the same type of person
1 _spacedtime 2017-08-09
They're both charlatans crying about post-modernism.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
his version of christianity wouldnt be recognizable to anyone who goes to a church on sunday
he just takes issue with the gender pronoun stuff, as far as it rejects science. i think hes fair about it.
hes nothing like jones.
jones is a charlatan. peterson is a VERY thoughtful person, give his ideas a fair listen (he spent 3 hours talking to rogan twice)
hell compare alex jones spot on rogan with jordan peterson and tell me if those two have anything in common
1 fred_trump_hairline 2017-08-09
I would love for the mods to post a public list of all of the threads thrown into contest mode, and which mod put that thread into contest mode. Every time a thread is put in contest mode, a pinned mod message by the mod that changed the mode should be made in the thread. Most of the time it is another mod that posts a pinned message, if any message is pinned at all.
And if the mods can please post a detailed guideline to how they determine whether a thread is being brigaded or not. Simply stating that many of the users in a thread come from another subreddit should be backed up by data that can be seen by the sub's users and a proper review process. People should be able to independently verify a mod's claims when they do this.
Almost every time I see a major Trump Russia related reveal on this sub, I can predict usually if it is going to be put into contest mode or not. The mods should get a handle on this, because more and more of these reveals are coming and they are only going to get bigger and bigger.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
someone elsewhere in the comments has linked to it
guess the results
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Wow, almost all anti-DNC, pro Seth Rich, Wikileaks etc, and none of the anti-Trump stuff.
gasp
Are you telling me the entire narrative of the post is bullshit?! You wouldn't.
1 Guerrilla_Time 2017-08-09
There is a public mod log we can look through
https://snew.github.io/r/conspiracy/about/log
Here are the topics put into contest mode and by who.
https://snew.github.io/r/conspiracy/about/log?type=setcontestmode
1 fred_trump_hairline 2017-08-09
Although helpful, there is no proper criteria for mods to determine if something is being brigaded or not. There should be some sort of public vote tally of all of the mods that voted on doing this.
Without a public review process, it is entirely possible for a mod to do this because they did not like the thread's topic.
1 nusyahus 2017-08-09
Doesn't even look like the entire mod team is on the same page. Looks like some mods are deleting/banning and then someone coming along and undoing it. I guess people here are mad about standards and being consistent.
1 versusgorilla 2017-08-09
Can confirm, a few days ago I messaged the mods about something, received a snarky answer from one, and when I posted our PMs publicly, I was banned. No reason was given for my banning, so I assume it was due to this, even though the mod I was PMing denied it.
Eventually another mod apologized and told me they were discussing it in private.
I was unbanned, given no message informing me of my unbanning, I tested posting the next morning and my messages sent fine. So my ban was lifted at some point, by someone.
There's a weird little war going on behind the scenes of this subreddit. I don't even know how you go about solving something like that.
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
That seems consistent with what I've heard from others. I tried messaging the mods once over a clarification on the rules. Rule 6 says no "shouting" with excessive bold and enlarged fonts and whatnot.
I was polite and civil and referred to a certain user who was spamming comment sections with comments like
and
I'm not going to imitate it but both comments were using headers (#) before the text so the text was huge. Either way, multiple blatant rule violations that should be removed.
What I got in return from the mods was a bunch of attitude. One mod in particular was really disrespectful and would toss insults around while saying "go back to /r/politics" while another would say that the rules are up to moderator's discretion.
There's clearly certain mods that are influencing the direction of the sub and how the rules are being applied. It's a shame that this community has to suffer as a result of it though.
1 versusgorilla 2017-08-09
Yeah, I was super polite the entire time, I shared my portion of the private messages to the mods but was met with snide remarks and when I called his behavior "Childish" I was told to "not expect better" (paraphrasing, because I don't feel like searching my inbox for the messages)
All I was doing was asking for clarification on why contest mode was installed on another post, and all I got was sass, then a glimpse into the moderator infighting, a ban, and a silent un-ban.
Truly weird and gross to think you can just be banned for disagreeing or disseminating mod behavior. Especially on a sub that should frown on that behavior.
1 LetsSmashStacks 2017-08-09
Consistent with my experience as well, it seems like they take any criticism or questioning as an attack.
A user was banned "for shilling for paedos" so I tried asking the mods about it. At first I was told that wasn't the reason, so when I responded with a screenshot showing that as the ban message I was muted and reported to the admins because they thought I was the banned user. Every message I received was immature, it's like they've never been in positions of leadership/power before.
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
Really? That's news to me, bro.
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
I mean, all of my messages are still there. I can post them if you'd like
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
I can't believe that you are COMPLAINING that all the mods of this sub do NOT march in Lockstep on every issue. You should be celebrating that fact.
Yes, there ARE disagreements among the mods. Yes, there ARE discussions, and no, it is NOT easy to find the "right" answers to dealing with complicated problems (like handling armies of trolls, shills and bots that brigade the hell out of this sub when certain "sensitive" issues come up)
Would you REALLY want a mod team that was in TOTAL AGREEMENT on everything? What if YOU happened to DISAGREE with the positions the mods took???
Here's a clue: The mods get accused of being Pro-Trump right-wingers AND of being Share Blue Lefties all day every day.
We are clearly pissing BOTH sides off - and to me, that can means only on thing: We're doing SOMETHING RIGHT.
:-)
Sorry if we get snappy sometimes, or make mistakes.
1 versusgorilla 2017-08-09
Hey look, it's one of the mods who was in on that antagonizing private message. One who didn't offer any useful advice, give any acknowledgement of why I was banned, and didn't provide updates on why I was unbanned.
And he's here getting very very defensive.
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
I didn't ban you. I didn't know why you were banned, but I DID answer your question as to why Contest Mode was being implimented:
I'm sorry, I was trying to lighten the mood with a bit of levity. Was my use of similes too "cryptic"? Did you not comprehend the message? That Contest Mode is intended to foil the efforts of trolls, shills and organized brigades?
Sorry. I didn't mean to belittle you.
That remains to be seen, doesn't it?
Yes, there are potential downsides, and these aspects have come up and are being discussed. But I am pleased to see that you acknowledge that there are indeed "outsider forces" who "use brigading" to purposely attack the sub.
Do you NOW understand a bit more about what we are up against here?
We want to allow and promote free and open discussion - but the OUTSIDE FORCES you mentioned are intent on destroying open discussion by using brigading to manipulate the threads and subvert conversations to serve whatever agenda they may be promoting.
We are trying to do what we can to thwart their pernicious efforts using the limited number of tools that we have available to us.
And you DID eventually have your problem resolved, and your ban lifted, did you not? We are more than a bit overwhelmed, and the vast majority of the complaints we receive are extremely hostile - it starts to wear you down after a while
As I said before, I did not ban you, and had no knowledge of why you were banned. But I did explain clearly (if cryptically) why we were implementing contest mode. If I personally offended you, I apologize, and I will make an effort to be more considerate in the future.
Okay?
Yeah, we've been doing that for MONTHS, and we've had several members chime in with ideas. If we had ADMINISTRATIVE tools - or at least their cooperation - we might be able to accomplish this illusive goal, but at the moment, we must do what can with what we have.
1 versusgorilla 2017-08-09
I never accused you of banning me, so I find it curious that you're defending yourself from such an accusation. It was another mod who was throwing the most sass and being the least helpful and downright childish. I'm sure you could view his messages as well. That's what I was referring too when I said the moderators should at least be professional about their responsibilities.
My ban was lifted, but it took me sending a couple test comments the following morning to discover this. Like someone maybe didn't wanna acknowledge it? I don't know, maybe that's how you guys operate, but it seems like a conspiracy subreddit would want to be more transparent. Maybe I'm mistaken and you require cloak and dagger tactics to moderate a forum set up to root out clock and dagger tactics.
All I ever wanted, before I started questioning the moderator's actions, was some darn transparency on why contest mode was enabled. I've speculated it's political, but all we can do is speculate because no mods want to clue anyone in. All we get is vague accusations of brigading and each mod has a different degree to which they believe it's occuring. Official comments from mods become distorted and lost in a sea of unrated, unorganized, and hidden comments in contest mode posts. After contest mode, a flood of "why is this in contest mode?" posts blanket the topic and discussion, actual discussion about the topic, is buried. Spam reigns tall.
And we're left to speculate. And then, we get this defensive nonsense from some of you guys. About how tough it is, and how hard you've been working on it for months. Obfuscating the issue by saying we want a hive mind moderator. And still no answer as to why contest mode is enabled. No specifics. No comments you can point to and be like, "Yeah, see these here?"
But hopefully by the next day, we've moved on to a topic that's approved by whatever group is brigading and they don't attack it so you guys squash the discussion. We'll see what tomorrow brings, I guess.
1 DownvoteDaemon 2017-08-09
wow lol
1 OldeHickory 2017-08-09
The words clear and cryptic are exact opposites. You cannot both explain something clearly and cryptically. You are truly a TopMind sir!
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
Whoosh!!!
What I wrote:
Note the use of the word VAMPIRES and the subsequent use of the word CRYPTIC.
Word Origin and History for cryptic
1630s, "hidden, occult, mystical," from Late Latin crypticus, from Greek kryptikos "fit for concealing," from kryptos "hidden" (see crypt ).
[...]
crypt
a subterranean chamber or vault, especially one beneath the main floor of a church, used as a burial place, a location for secret meetings, etc.
Vampires ... Crypt ... "Cryptic" ... might these things have relevance in wordplay?
My bad for writing tongue-in-cheek material that is clearly above your grade level.
(Oops, there I go again! Crypts and the Vampires they hold are often buried - BELOW GRADE!)
Given the context, how can I take that as anything other than a compliment?
:-)
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
It could mean you are doing something right, but I think its more likely people on both sides(and the middle or no side) are mad because you are doing something wrong.
Just read the comments on this thread. Yes the people that also go to rpolitics are mad about contest mode, but it seems like alot of regulars are also. And the people that come from T _D want contest mode because it shuts down critics if their guy.
Contest mode is not solving problems, it seems to create unneccisary drama.
1 purple_pink 2017-08-09
Yeah, there are some embarrassing examples that are only a few lines apart.... "user1 banned by ModX" "User1 unbanned by ModY" "User1 banned by ModX"
This is embarrassing. And reading the mod log (as well as their posts on /r/conspiracy) make it pretty obvious which mods have an agenda.
1 McDrewbs 2017-08-09
http://i.imgur.com/bFExNeZ.png
The account was even added as a contributor to the subreddit by the mod doing the unbanning...
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
ugh magabolt is one of the people spamming contest mode threads, thus statistically increasing the chance that his posts get seen and other posts do not. This is fucking disgusting. We need to be able to vote on mods again, and remove powers from those who are incapable of enforcing the rules consistently and evenly
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
Isn't it wonderful?
Welp, so much for mod conspiracies, eh?
1 purple_pink 2017-08-09
No one's asking the mods to agree on everything without discussion, but having what are basically public petty fights between each other is another thing entirely, especially when it affects peoples' ability to participate in discussion on the sub. Not to mention all the unprofessional and downright abusive behavior towards the sub's users.
1 not_so_plausible 2017-08-09
What is contest mode?
1 Guerrilla_Time 2017-08-09
Randomizes comments each time you refresh the page and hides all scores. There is no "top" or "best" comment anymore that shows what people agreed with.
Basically when the points being made is going against the mods agenda they don't want people to see it. They'd rather delete the topic, but know they will get even more shit for doing that so they resort to contest mode to put the brakes on the discussion.
1 PantsMcGillicuddy 2017-08-09
This shows the list of contest mode
https://snew.github.io/r/conspiracy/about/log?type=setcontestmode
1 honkimon 2017-08-09
Is there a way to tell if any of these were put in contest mode way after the fact to give the allusion of a non-bias decision?
1 WooTs_67 2017-08-09
Contest mode is the best!
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
/u/mastigia, mah man!
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
Around 20 to 30 minutes before this thread was put into contest mod members of the T_D private discord talked about making this happen so as to better control messaging.
Seams strange to me.
1 fred_trump_hairline 2017-08-09
Can you post screenshots?
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
If I do people will claim they are edited since they will not be full screen shots and if I post full screen shots my access will be revoked so no I can't.
1 fred_trump_hairline 2017-08-09
Archive them at least and save all possible metadata for each screenshot you take. Compile them and release them when you feel you are able to. This kind of behaviour is actually true brigading and I would hope mods here would be interested in this.
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
I will see what I can do. But I can't burn the accounts that already have access to the discord it is too valuable a source of information.
1 fred_trump_hairline 2017-08-09
Honestly, release them all if any indictments are filed against key figures in the campaign. At that point, there really is no point to having access to the chat after that.
1 blazedfalcon 2017-08-09
RemindMe! 6 months
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
I don't have anything of that nature if I did I would give it to the appropriate people but I don't have access. I don't even know if it exists on this discord. The search continues.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
theyre not. they stickied a "welcome t_d" post on this sub.
1 Guerrilla_Time 2017-08-09
Who cares if some people say they are edited. It still be good to see. T_D goes off false info all the time. Even if you are faking their discord, it would be fair game.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Of course, even the slightest bit of proof that such a channel existed that they could possibly be listening in on for such an event.
1 ConcernedCanook 2017-08-09
Of course he cant.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Remeber, this is the same person that shows up in every one of these threads with absolute horse-shit, and then shits on Anon Insider. Neither are more credible than the other and that is what is so baffling.
1 versusgorilla 2017-08-09
That's what's so interesting here. They set these things to contest mode when they suspect people are manipulating votes, so logic holds, if you want to set one to contest mode... you manipulate votes.
And if you do it off of reddit, like in Discord, then you can claim deniability and protect the origin of the manipulation. Contest mode solves nothing and has become a tool to defeat discussion.
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Whats a private discord?
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
Discord is a program, basically like chat rooms with voice/text. You can make them public so that anyone can join with a URL that acts as an invite.
The_donald's was made private and I believe you have to link your reddit account before being able to join as they want to only allow certain types of people to their channel.
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Thanks
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
So u/SpongeBobSquarePants, can you confirm you have now been banned from this Discord given what u/brain_on_drugs has stated? I'm assuming that exposing their attempt to control the agenda on this sub is not something that is in their best interests.
1 SpongeBobSquarePants 2017-08-09
Why do you assume I used the same account name? Even my writting style is different, totally different, enforced by a custom program I wrote to make my writings less grammatically complex and to introduce typing errors which I do not typically make.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Seems like a lot of work to put in, yet still we haven't been provided the slightest bit of credibility to you assertions. Even a possibly fake screenshot, anything.
1 armchairCueB 2017-08-09
/r/conspiracy's mods view Donald J. Trump like he is Shoko Asahara.
1 azsqueeze 2017-08-09
/u/creq just admitted that the mods feel like the sub is being brigaded but can't post any proof of it.
His comment:
Source
/u/creq you're more than welcome to tell us which mods feel this way. Because clearly they're doing a stand up job of deflecting certain conspiracies while favoring others.
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-09
He was warned by more senior mods that doing so would resort in his un-modding.
1 azsqueeze 2017-08-09
How beautiful that we now have a mod conspiracy
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
More of a mod power struggle i would say
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
So what threads are you speaking of in terms of deflection?
Where are the martyrs here? What threads were not put into contest mode that should have? I've seen plenty of anti-Trump threads go into contest mode, but as soon as that happens you claim it as a 'pro-Trump' thread because there is an argument and duality exists. As long as there is a response, you can call it either because both are involved. It's not honest.
1 Loffler 2017-08-09
lmao
1 McDrewbs 2017-08-09
If it's obvious, they wont mind posting proof every time will they.
1 ganooosh 2017-08-09
600+ thread replies.... Pretty obvious that's our buddies at shareblue or whatever other similar operation.
I just can't wait for people to try to use this as evidence of anything russia in the future. They literally found so much at his house, that it took them a month to report on it.
1 _____42_____ 2017-08-09
2 weeks isn't a month.
1 FuckMeBernie 2017-08-09
It's barely been 2 weeks. Not a month... and the contents of what they found haven't been released to the public yet.
1 iprobablyneedahobby 2017-08-09
I am sure he will claim that this was all just made up by 4chan or something next. These guys will come up with the most wild shit to rationalize their bullshit.
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Did you count maga bots posts? He might be up to 100 himself
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
I counted well over 100 between magabot, psyder, and peyote. Those 3 accounts were probably close to half the thread at one point when the thread was rising.
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
I actually tried reporting one as spamming a thread with off topic posts. It didnt go anywhere. To me that is one big step they can take in cleaning up this sub. I hope my suggestion is considered.
1 cbthrow 2017-08-09
I recognize him and peyote since they post so much.
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
I get the names confused. I want to call them u/commentscorebelowthreashold. Luckily Im a lazy typer and i stick with their first name
1 johnsom3 2017-08-09
This happened two weeks, but the public is only just now finding out about it. We won't know for some time wether they found anything or not.
1 ganooosh 2017-08-09
The WaPo article states they found stuff that had already been handed over previously.
1 johnsom3 2017-08-09
Care to give some examples, I wasn't able to find any in the reporting.
1 ganooosh 2017-08-09
The wapo article I saw said something to the effect of ' investigators say what the found was documents already turned over previously by manafort'.
1 johnsom3 2017-08-09
So I'm just gonna repeat myself then. We won't know for some time wether or not they found anything.
1 ganooosh 2017-08-09
While that is true. It's also a safe assumption that if something were found, we would already know about it.
1 johnsom3 2017-08-09
What are you basing that assumption on? We just found out the FBI kicked in his door two weeks after the fact. Mueller investigation doesn't leak.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
whose we? we arent all in the fbi/special investigation team like you
1 ganooosh 2017-08-09
We, you know. We, the general public. The people who have things constantly leaked out to them if there's even the smallest chance to make Trump look bad.
PS. I don't like your tone. Go fuck yourself.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
No no most organizations aren't half as incompetent or full of backstabbing backbiting in fighters because they're led by good leadership and have direction
1 ganooosh 2017-08-09
Leaders who have ties to the clintons and other's with known beef with the commander in chief?
Leaders who the moment they're let go leak documents to the press and spark dangerous speculative discord on all MSM outlet for weeks before testifying and saying trump actually did nothing wrong?
Nobody in FBI leadership tied financially to the Clintons?
1 paulie_purr 2017-08-09
Article used the term "included" previously turned over documents, but did not say "only consisted of" previously turned over documents. The pushback talking point is that whatever they got only consisted of stuff they'd just gotten, but the article doesn't claim that.
1 Fuckaduckfuckaduck 2017-08-09
Shills make themselves so ridiculously easy to spot in posts like this.
Thanks guys and gals! Just makes it easier for us to know who to ignore.
P.S - you really, really suck at your jobs.
1 bittermanscolon 2017-08-09
Can you point out the offending comments so I can see which one's you're advocating against? Thx!
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Something about how many RES downvotes you've already earned without a tag tells me this might not go over well.
1 honkimon 2017-08-09
Strange, This guy has zero down votes from me. I must be a shill. Where's my check George! Papa needs new shoes!
1 honkimon 2017-08-09
Please put all of us who question our gov't to ignore. I beg you. I volunteer as tribute. Then you can have peace in your echo chamber of Trump worship!
1 Fuckaduckfuckaduck 2017-08-09
Refer to this comment of mind from last week before you go calling me a Trump homer, skippy.
1 honkimon 2017-08-09
I stand corrected. I upvoted your comment and misjudged you. Carry on, but don't block people unless they can't behave like adults.
1 Fuckaduckfuckaduck 2017-08-09
I don't block people. Especially shills, I just tag them and move on. I am not a Trump supporter. But I mean what I said about he versus Hillary. At least we know he's a douche, and at least he is causing people to realize how fucked up our government is. Hillary would've continued the usual puppet show behind closed doors so everyone remained clueless.
Trump has that shit on front street for all to see, and it's causing even the wooliest of sheep to wake up. This scares the Deep State, the GOP, the DNC .. all of them are terrified that we will all wake up. Hence the mass effort to cause division and anger, and now an effort to start a war with the Norks. And what do they use to cause division? Shills and fear.
Threads like this amuse me because the only ones who get bent about contest mode are shills. Plain and simple.
I've upvoted you as well, light and love my friend.
1 influentia 2017-08-09
That's not the case at all though. I'm not a shill, and I have a lot of problems with the way contest mode is being used to silence criticism of Trump and the government while ignoring all of the irrelevant crap about the DNC. Feel free to look through my comment history if that helps, though I'm not sure there's anything that would convince you I just feel this way and don't have to be paid to say this.
The idiotic and pathetic claim that everyone that disagrees with you is a shill is becoming one of the biggest problems on this subreddit - even worse than the brigades from T_D, even worse than the moderators being unashamed about their extreme pro-government biases, even worse than actual shills themselves.
At this point I'm almost completely convinced that every account that keeps repeating that anti-Trump/anti-government people are shills are in fact shills themselves, deliberately conflating the situation and making it difficult to differentiate between the organic users and the Koch brothers bots.
Of course, this means little to people who have been brainwashed by the lies and the divide and conquer tactics of
the MSMFox News, and it's hard to tell the difference between an uneducated idiot without coherent language skills, and a poorly programmed bot.1 Fuckaduckfuckaduck 2017-08-09
You have a point. Multiple points, actually.
Except personally, I have no problems with differing opinions at all. I welcome those opinions and enjoy good, organic discussion and debate on those opinions.
The people I am referring to as "shills" are the ones who no matter what evidence you present, they will constantly deflect. They take over a thread with bots, and comments having only the purpose of division behind them.
No matter what you show them, or say, they will find a way to turn it around and fit their narrative. Yes, there is evidence of shady shit with the Trump administration, which should not go unchecked.
At the same time, those crimes do not, at all, negate the crimes of the DNC, Deep State and other members of the GOP. The Deep State are using Trump as a means to get the eyes off of their own crimes. What I have a problem with is mindless sheep acting like Trump and the right are the only crooked mother fuckers in DC.
THEY'RE ALL CROOKED. And they ALL need to be brought down and made to pay for their crimes.
As for contest mode; I've been around here awhile. I've seen threads get brigaded and taken over, and I can say that the contest mode is curbing that to an extent. Look at all the jimmies that get rustled when a thread goes contest. That's a clue. "They" don't want votes hidden. Real users of this sub couldn't give a fuck less about votes. All we want is intelligent, organic discussion. That's it.
1 influentia 2017-08-09
Right. Except the DNC has no political power and the GOP controls every layer of government. You're yelling at ghosts while real people commit real crimes using the real power they currently wield.
I loathe the DNC, but to pretend like it's anywhere at all as important to criticise that powerless and irrelevant organisation while the GOP controls the entire US government is laughable.
Unfortunately this subreddit has a lot of people (like you) who simply don't want to talk about the corruption of Trump and the GOP, deflecting constantly to the DNC and other powerless and irrelevant parties in order to keep people distracted from the real conspiracies.
Once again, your bias has prejudiced your perspective here, and you're ignoring the fact that only anti-government stories are being censored with contest mode. If you want contest mode so badly, why don't you petition for it to be put on every thread, including all the irrelevant bullshit about the DNC and the debunked lies about Seth Rich?
Once again, I'm a real person not being paid to say this, and I think it's fucking disgusting that self-proclaimed "conspiracy theorists" are okay with censoring anti-government stories in order to protect the feelings of the POTUS and his tiny band of vocal sycophants. Like I said, it's not stories critical of the DNC that get put into contest mode. It's not stories about aliens or JFK. It's only stories critical of Trump and his government.
You're cheering for censorship of criticism of the government in /r/conspiracy, and the worst part is that there are so many pro-Trump bots and shills here to make it seem like people agree with that idea.
By censoring anti-government posts with contest mode or selectively applied rules, and at the same time leaving pro-government propaganda untouched, you're advocating for the opposite of organic discussion. You're advocating for a safe space.
1 Fuckaduckfuckaduck 2017-08-09
Yeah, I stopped here.
You go lumping me in as someone who is a Trump homer when I've clearly states the obvious.
Where did I say I didn't want any investigations done? I do. I just think it's a fucking ignorant train of thought to believe that one side should face the music while the other side doesn't.
For someone who hates the DNC, you seem awfully okay with letting them get away scot-free just so we can bring down our current version of theater.
Thinking the DNC has no power right now is fucking laughable at best. So I go back to what I said; they're all crooked.
As smart as you are, I'm smarter. I've noted you making sure to repeat that you're a real person. You've also made it a point to make sure we all know you aren't getting paid.
So, you've lowkey defended the DNC by basically implying they have no power therefore we shouldn't worry about them. You've assured me multiple times that you're real. And you've made it a point to say you aren't being paid. Now, I have now doubts you're a real person and not a shill, but fuck me, can't you see how that's suspicious?
In reading what I did of your reply to me, it appears as though what I said went right over your head. You still try to paint me up as a Trump homer when I said nothing remotely close to what you are saying I did.
I have a rule about getting sucked into bullshit pissing contests, which is exactly what you are trying to attain here.
Good night to you.
1 influentia 2017-08-09
I didn't say you're a Trump supporter and I didn't mean to imply that, because I did see your earlier comment. But you're okay with the fact that people are focusing on the party that's not in power, the party that's been abandoned by their entire voterbase, and that's had a historic and almost unprecedented loss of political power in a single election. You seem okay with the fact that the DNC is getting more attention than the GOP despite the GOP controlling the whole government, and despite the GOP historically having been the primary party of war and stealing liberties in the name of 'security'.
I'm definitely not okay with the DNC getting away with anything, but focusing on the DNC while the GOP controls the entire government is literally letting the GOP get away with everything.
The DNC is not controlling the CIA. The DNC is not in charge of the FBI. The DNC is not giving orders to the military. The DNC is not writing laws and executive orders. Those are all being done by Trump and the GOP right now, and that's much more important than Benghazi bullshit or whatever the latest Fox News distraction from the past is.
That's not what I said and I'm sorry if I implied that. I'm pointing out how you're "lowkey defending Trump" by basically implying that the DNC is equally relevant in politics to Trump and the GOP - the people that literally control the entire US government.
I know you don't want to be associated with obsequious Trumpets, but it's hard to dissociate everyone who yells "shill bot!" about anti-government conspiracy theorists when it only ever comes in response to the worst abuses and corruption of Trump/GOP.
At the same time, you're either unable to grasp why the relatively powerless DNC doesn't deserve more scrutiny than the people controlling the entire government, or you're being disingenuous and deliberately trying to muddy the waters so that a discussion about Trump/GOP corruption can't ever be properly undertaken here. I'd like to believe it's the former because you've given thoughtful and detailed responses, but effectively the result is the same - the GOP and Trump get to fly under the radar while the relatively petty crimes of ousted Democrats are distracting from the GOP's own major and deeply concerning scandals and abuses.
1 osm0sis 2017-08-09
I think there is a pretty big split in this sub right now. A large chunk of users who view the Trump/Russia story as potentially one of the biggest conspiracies in our lifetime, and another group who views it as a witch hunt. I think the first group is very frustrated with the traction topics like Seth Rich receive and the other group frustrated by the amount of attention Trump/Russia receives.
Both sides accuse the other of vote manipulation, but I personally don't buy into that. I think you have almost half a million people subscribing to a sub, half of them agree with one narrative while the other half believes in something diametrically opposed to it. Since both sides are energized, you see a lot of voting activity on those topics and between the two groups of users.
If you're interested in discussing these topics in an environment that will never be put in to contest mode, please come check out /r/ConspiracyHypothesis
1 blazedfalcon 2017-08-09
Nice. Be over in a few!
1 justinmchase 2017-08-09
The witch hunt is itself a conspiracy.
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
I just went and subbed. It will be interesting to see how much that sub grows in a few days.
1 osm0sis 2017-08-09
It's still small, but we've almost quadrupled in size since I took the sub over a few weeks ago. It's been very fun to watch it grow and it seems to fill a niche people are looking for.
If you see any other users that you think would appreciate the content, please send them over!
1 saintcmb 2017-08-09
Will do
1 nusyahus 2017-08-09
TBF the Russian investigation hasn't been thoroughly debunked much like Seth Rich/Pizzagate/Hillary etc. It's an ongoing investigation with new credible information being released on a daily basis. It reserves the right to be called a conspiracy. While the others are as well, there isn't enough credible information. Yes I know this place hates MSM but at least it's verified and not a comment by someone on 4chan.
1 liberal_artist 2017-08-09
Pizzagate has not been "debunked."
1 OmgRussia 2017-08-09
Glad I wasn't the only one to catch that... This shit is seriously pissing me off. There are active conspiracy theories about all 3 of those topics and he's sitting here not only saying that they've been debunked, but thoroughly debunked. Get the fuck out of here with that bs!!! I don't care if we talk about Trump / Russia at all but so far I haven't seen anything impressive unlike the other topics he mentioned.
1 liberal_artist 2017-08-09
Oh and look at that - my comment gets removed for calling a shill a shill.
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
Sorry pal, did you miss the list of rules in the sidebar? ----->
"calling a shill a shill" violates those rules. You were not banned, or even officially warned - YET.
The purpose of Rule 10 is to try to keep discussions centered on the topics at hand, and to prevent the threads being sullied by devolving into ad hominem mud-slinging fests.
In the threads, address what others have SAID - their arguments and positions. If you have problems with the behavior of a user, address your concerns to the moderators.
Thanks for your understanding and cooperation
1 liberal_artist 2017-08-09
This place has really gone to shit
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
Hey friend, if you name calling and mud slinging is what you're into, I'm sure there must be subs devoted to that fetish.
Sorry, I can't make recommendations, but if you ask around, I'm sure you'll find one.
1 liberal_artist 2017-08-09
Well I'm glad that you found
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
manaforts house was raided by the fbi in a predawn raid
what are they looking for, you think?
1 OmgRussia 2017-08-09
Who knows and I honestly don't care. If he's dirty then by all means go after him. That's not what my post was about, stop deflecting.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
who is getting raided in relation to pizzagate or seth rich
what is impressing you about those two theories
i like how the last development for either one of them was a guy suing the right wing propaganda station for misconstruing his words in order to support a false narrative
that was impressive to me, but it didnt exactly push the theory forward
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
Removed. Rule 10.
1 JumboReverseShrimp 2017-08-09
How am I supposed to take this "Muh Russia Hacked teh Election" narrative seriously when we have democratic operatives on video talking about election rigging and foreign interests owning our politicians is just taken for granted?
Can someone even tell me what they actually hacked?
1 Pharos814 2017-08-09
Because one is actually real. And the other are right wing smear jobs by non credible known liars who edit their videos to push a narrative.
They hacked the DNC as supported by all our intelligence agencies and our allies. They even did the same thing in Frances recent election. Hacking the only liberal partys emails and releasing them and spreading lies about said emails. They literally used the exact same tactic in another western election a few monthe later.
They also hacked voter rOlla and purged voter registrations, while not directly changing votes, de-registering people has to essentially the same effect. We do not yet know the extent of their attempts or damage done as its still being investigated.
1 29TiCKToCK29 2017-08-09
Your allegation here isn't consistent with what France's head of cyber security said two months ago, how do you account for that?
https://www.apnews.com/fc570e4b400f4c7db3b0d739e9dc5d4d
Also this
is a pretty good way to describe our intelligence agencies whose account you're blindly trusting
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
what
this is regarding macron? why is this relevant? are you aware that you are posting irrelevant info with a misleading description?
1 29TiCKToCK29 2017-08-09
I'm sorry, how is it misleading? Is the Macron hack not the French election hack to which the other user is referring? I'll admit he made a lot of claims without sources substantiate anything so we may just be talking about different things
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
weird how you took one throwaway phrase and tried to derail it, and your source said that "anyone could have done it"
that doesnt exactly exclude the fsb, and we saw the manipulation of russian bots on twitter and the hashtags posted. if you havent seen the evidence yet, id guess its because you want to ignore it and hope others do too
1 29TiCKToCK29 2017-08-09
What throwaway phrase? I'm not following you.
The user I replied to stated as a fact that the hacks have been attributed to Russians, and that point was central to the rest of his post. I still don't see how that's consistent with the statement I referenced.
Manipulation of bots on twitter isn't evidence for attribution of the hacks
I haven't yet been presented anybevidence to ignore. I'm open to reading whatever evidence has you so convinced, though
1 diarrhea_shnitzel 2017-08-09
Duuuuumb
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
sure, its been explained multiple times. the problem is the same accounts who get these explanations keep expressing the same doubt all over the sub in an attempt not to understand, but to muddy the waters and to create the impression that there is a debate, much like the tobacco industry does, and climate deniers, and the sugar industry
1 JumboReverseShrimp 2017-08-09
Bullshit. You and I both know that. We have video evidence of democratic operative talking about rigging elections.
And LMAO at climate deniers. Sorry, but that's some more bullshit. But go ahead and conflate being against some scam derivatives market with being in favor of the tobacco industry. Talk about muddying the waters.
Maybe you should check into Agenda 21.
1 verello 2017-08-09
Boom subbed, been looking for a decent alternative. The mods are getting in the way far too much for my liking in this sub.
1 Jdl112086 2017-08-09
I agree, I am actually interested in both subjects like everyone here should be.
1 synagogue_of_satan 2017-08-09
Thanks I was just talking about this issue with somebody.../r/conspiracy has morphed into something else and honestly the conspiracy "scene" in general. Tactic?
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
yes. a certain president was espousing conspiracy theories from his pulpit. his ideology caters to conspiracy thinking and a us vs them mindset
1 synagogue_of_satan 2017-08-09
No. This is actually an example of exactly what I am referring to...it goes both ways and if you don't understand that then you are part of the problem.
1 __galactus___ 2017-08-09
What is going on with this sub? Every big post about trump gets put into contest mode.
1 FoxxTrot77 2017-08-09
Wasn't the raid reported on weeks ago only to be brought into MSM as some sort of bombshell smoking gun.. lol
Propaganda to distract from North Korea etc.
1 pabstbluetaco 2017-08-09
No.
1 pabstbluetaco 2017-08-09
No.
1 mastermind04 2017-08-09
Yes because north Korea threatening the US for the millionth time is something that the MSM wants to sweep under the rug. If the south Koreans aren't scared we shouldn't be either, when they become scared or familys start getting moved back to the US from bases in Japan and other Asian country's that is when to panic.
1 UsernameChecksOut104 2017-08-09
You almost got it. NK is to distract from Manafort. Oh and the trans ban was the same day as the raid. Trump is playing you hard.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
holy shit is this true?
i KNEW that trans shit was just a distraction. something thats not super important (i know it is very important for some people, but doesnt affect the country as a whole) but stirs up the base and typically dominates the news cycle
I thought it would be to distract from the inevitable firing of sessions, but this makes so much sense. he probably thought the news would run with it as soon as it happened.
holy shit thats too good
1 MethylMethyl 2017-08-09
North Korea is the distraction.
1 Atrocitus 2017-08-09
This place has been compromised by ShariaBlue/DeepState backed bullshit much like politics was. It died quite a few months back. Now it's akin to CNN, it is now a source I look at to read behind and understand why they want me to believe their current spindoctored agenda pushing lies and narrative.
1 Fooomanchu 2017-08-09
Too many shills/botd around. Time to investigate new communication platform alternatives.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
r/conspiracywithoutctr
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
r/the_donald
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
I don't support Trump or right-wing conspiracies as a general topic, rather objective civil discourse which I know I'm not about to find over at TD.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
how do you propose to keep ctr out? to me the best way sounds like to ban any liberal opinion
not sure how else youd identify them
would you also attempt to keep 55 savushkina st and cambridge analytica out?
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
I honestly have no idea on a large scale, I'm not a mod and certainly don't plan on ever being one. As far as I'm concerned, I don't look at opinions. You can have whatever opinion you want. It's the way you present it to others and engage in civil discourse to better understand the subject and the people involved in the conversation.
If a person is not capable of having a discussion or debate for the sole purpose of achieving better understanding, I don't really want to talk or be subjected to that person.
1 JumboReverseShrimp 2017-08-09
Funny that you get voted down like this and the "why is this thread in contest mode crowd?" get more up votes than you would for posting video evidence of the Queen of England and the Pope breeding reptilian spawn.
And that's why they use contest mode.
BTW, I love how these people who want to keep the "Russian Haxxorz" narrative alive are often just fine acting like Seth Rich, DWS, and Hillary are of no further interest.
This started happening in about 2005-6 in re 9/11. Just keep up the good fight. I don't know if Trump is worth a damn, but I know most of his enemies in D.C. are not.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
What's amazing is that the VAST MAJORITY of posts in contest mode are about Seth Rich, Wikileaks, Awan Brothers, etc. with only a couple of Trump related topics barely sprinkled in. They are lying to our faces and creating a false-perception about the state of affairs in this sub by word of mouth alone.
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
All the ones set by /u/creq were only put into contest mode for a few minutes and he explained that it was done because of disagreements between the mods over what threads were being put into contest mode.
If you ignore the ones that creq briefly put into contest mode, then the rest are all big threads about Trump.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Just the first page alone....
Posts set to contest mode - 22
Put into Contest by creq - 11
Posts put into Contest by creq that had to do with Seth Rich/Awan - 10
Posts put into Contest mode that have ANYTHING to do with Trump - 3
I'm pretty sure if I carry the one it might equal you being full of shit.
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
Every single thread put into contest mode by creq was done so by him to make a point. You really should just go read what he said because you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
That leaves only a handful of threads left. 1 of which was an actual contest to find mods.
Another was set by AssuredlyAThrowaway about banning CNN.
The rest were big threads related to Trump set to contest mode by flytape, Celine, mastagia, and axolotl
Either way, there is a clear bias in what threads are put into contest mode.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Let's review your claim.
setcontestmode by Flytape 9 days ago : IAmClaytonBigsby 2290
Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale (npr.org)
Wrong
setcontestmode by CelineHagbard 7 days ago : CelineHagbard 0 Test post, please ignore, will be down soon. (self.conspiracy) submitted 7 days ago by CelineHagbard to /r/conspiracy
setcontestmode by CelineHagbard 8 days ago : IAmClaytonBigsby 2290
Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale (npr.org) submitted 9 days ago by IAmClaytonBigsby to /r/conspiracy
Wrong
setcontestmode by mastigia 19 hours ago : JoePesciOfGoneFishin 370
FBI conducted predawn raid of former Trump campaign chairman Manafort's home (washingtonpost.com) submitted a day ago by JoePesciOfGoneFishin to /r/conspiracy
setcontestmode by mastigia 9 days ago : BewareTheDawg 1086 Yesterday a T_D user won an appeal against the DC Metropolitan Police Department, allowing anonymous FOIA request to proceed on the Seth Rich case. The next day the media brings out this narrative. Gee, what a strange coincidence.... (np.reddit.com) submitted 9 days ago by BewareTheDawg to /r/conspiracy
Well I guess you found 1 so far.
setcontestmode by axolotl_peyotl 7 days ago : Canad1an_C 489
Special Counsel Mueller Impanels Washington Grand Jury in Russia Probe (wsj.com) submitted 7 days ago by Canad1an_C to /r/conspiracy
setcontestmode by axolotl_peyotl 2 months ago : axolotl_peyotl 218 Announcing biweekly discussions on fringe and esoteric topics: Make a suggestion, with an emphasis on "high octane" speculation (self.conspiracy) submitted 2 months ago by axolotl_peyotl to /r/conspiracy
Hey, there's another one.
calculating, paging r/theydidthemath
Yeah, thanks for the hardsell but I'm not buying it.
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
Lmao you're really gonna say the NPR article about the lawsuit filed by Rod Wheeler over Seth Rich isn't related to Trump? What a dishonest person you are.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
The article is clearly objective about how Fox News took a lawyer's unfounded claims and ran them as truth, I'm not exactly seeing an anti-Trump or pro-Trump bias here.
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
Go right ahead and point to all of the threads attacking Hilary or the DNC that were set to contest mode. Can you name even 1?
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Annnnnnnnnd deflected, gotcha. Not gonna find any civil discourse here.
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
Nice attempts to gaslight.
All you're doing is deflecting with this post. You can't even point to a single thread attacking Hilary in the months that the mod-log tracks threads that was put to contest mode. Meanwhile, there are multiple threads about Trump set to contest mode just in the past few weeks.
You're a very dishonest person in the way you attempt to miscategorize threads and now refuse to answer a simple question.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
So wait. You deflected, I asked why the hell you are deflecting and beg for you to get back to the initial point I challenged you, and then you come back with me being the one gaslighting because I'm frustrated you are having no respect for civil discourse?
Reported, blocked. Fucking joke.
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
You don't want a civil discourse. You've already launched several insults my way and use phrases like
This post of yours right here is yet another attempt to gaslight.
I'm glad that you blocked me. People like you who feign interests in discussions only to try and gaslight and insult people are part of the problem.
At least now I won't have to deal with you anymore since you blocked me. That's the only good thing to come out of this
1 kl0wn64 2017-08-09
i used to frequent conspiracy looking for, y'know, actual conspiracies (not hurr dur illuminati gangstalking lizard aliums im LITERALLY a prophet), and it seems delusion knows no political bounds. you get leftist nutbags and alt-right edgelords battling it out about which conspiracies are true and why they all involve/don't involve trump. a lot of it stems from the fact that the alt-right and vocal conservatives are particularly aggressive in defending against any perceived slight against God-King Trump, which naturally lends itself to arguments about him springing up out of nowhere.
1 reegdor 2017-08-09
It's literally part of the right wing takeover. I've posted this so many times and as far back as may I was calling out the moderators for infiltration and forum sliding.
Please look into this: http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
These are the tactics used to control information on an internet forum. Read and learn, for your own good
1 TotesMessenger 2017-08-09
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1 BewareTheDawg 2017-08-09
You can tell putting threads into contest mode works because of how hard it pisses off the brigaders
Actual conspiracy users have no problem taking the extra minute it takes to read through every comment in contest mode. They hate it so much because it puts every comment on equal footing and they can't vote brigade to create a false consensus in this thread.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
yes gatekeeper
1 Ickyfist 2017-08-09
Wahh we can't spin our narrative in a sub that doesn't want to hear it! Rabble rabble rabble!
These threads are always so hilarious to read all the people pretending to be legitimate users of this sub while trying to discredit it.
1 ENDLESSBLOCKADEZ 2017-08-09
Because this isn't r/politics and we don't give a fuvk
1 dustractor 2017-08-09
Covfuvke
1 thebabyseagull 2017-08-09
I'm glad.
Any anti trump thread is immediately brigaded by non r/conspiracy and users and paid shills.
I think any thread that reaches a certain amount of comments or upvotes should be put in contest mode, whatever the topic.
1 MasterLocksBagel 2017-08-09
If you dont like it, must be a good thing.
1 schlamboozle 2017-08-09
Probably time for some moderators to step down.
1 Orbit_CH3MISTRY 2017-08-09
because this sub is about conspiracies, right? Mods gotta create their own conspiracy I suppose.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-08-09
In regards to your highlighted text, I meant current as in political events from the last election cycle so Trump, Clinton, Podesta, etc would all be included.
1 Dzugavili 2017-08-09
And TMOR after the "brigade therefore contest" logic.
1 ShillsHveFeelingsToo 2017-08-09
ILol actually homie, I'm a Bernie bro (given to us supporters by CTR). I'm sure the condescending comments (above) is what lead to most of America staying home on election night OR caused people to Vote against that treasonous cunt. But good one! Thanks for validating my point 😉
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
Yes, I know you're probably big of censorship of ideas you don't like..
That's part of the problem..
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
You'd have to inject reality into the conversation to have a real conversation. Calling him a liar and a cheat means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Step up your game and be specific. Not personal attacks, not hyperbole. No "may have's" or "could be's" etc. The deep state has nothing outside of what they fabricate. Is he impeached yet? Tick tock. *yawn
1 OYou812 2017-08-09
If you know nothing about it by now, you're not looking. It's all right here in this sub that you frequent to attack Trump. There are other topics, check them out. Seems like there are a lot of strangers in a strange land.
1 joltto 2017-08-09
Because he "fact checked" via some randos YouTube channel about subliminal illuminati messages in pop music videos.
1 Manalore 2017-08-09
Something about how many RES downvotes you've already earned without a tag tells me this might not go over well.
1 mark132012 2017-08-09
Doesn't seem to be true in this thread, he's getting a lot of responses with his comments.
1 feedmesources 2017-08-09
Lol I tried linking totesmessenger and it was removed by automod.
1 WooTs_67 2017-08-09
Why do mods let these non users come in attack others and have nothing happen.
We say something, we get warnings/bans.
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-09
Removed. Rule 10.
1 The_Deep_State 2017-08-09
So I should apologize for being upset at coordinated censorship?
Jesus.. I was unaware of how sensitive everyone was...
This is pretty funny.
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Can you point to any behavior in the thread in question that you would say is vote/comment manipulation?
1 influentia 2017-08-09
I didn't say you're a Trump supporter and I didn't mean to imply that, because I did see your earlier comment. But you're okay with the fact that people are focusing on the party that's not in power, the party that's been abandoned by their entire voterbase, and that's had a historic and almost unprecedented loss of political power in a single election. You seem okay with the fact that the DNC is getting more attention than the GOP despite the GOP controlling the whole government, and despite the GOP historically having been the primary party of war and stealing liberties in the name of 'security'.
I'm definitely not okay with the DNC getting away with anything, but focusing on the DNC while the GOP controls the entire government is literally letting the GOP get away with everything.
The DNC is not controlling the CIA. The DNC is not in charge of the FBI. The DNC is not giving orders to the military. The DNC is not writing laws and executive orders. Those are all being done by Trump and the GOP right now, and that's much more important than Benghazi bullshit or whatever the latest Fox News distraction from the past is.
That's not what I said and I'm sorry if I implied that. I'm pointing out how you're "lowkey defending Trump" by basically implying that the DNC is equally relevant in politics to Trump and the GOP - the people that literally control the entire US government.
I know you don't want to be associated with obsequious Trumpets, but it's hard to dissociate everyone who yells "shill bot!" about anti-government conspiracy theorists when it only ever comes in response to the worst abuses and corruption of Trump/GOP.
At the same time, you're either unable to grasp why the relatively powerless DNC doesn't deserve more scrutiny than the people controlling the entire government, or you're being disingenuous and deliberately trying to muddy the waters so that a discussion about Trump/GOP corruption can't ever be properly undertaken here. I'd like to believe it's the former because you've given thoughtful and detailed responses, but effectively the result is the same - the GOP and Trump get to fly under the radar while the relatively petty crimes of ousted Democrats are distracting from the GOP's own major and deeply concerning scandals and abuses.
1 Nogrim6 2017-08-09
... like every single government before it? and every single government that will follow it.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-08-09
what
this is regarding macron? why is this relevant? are you aware that you are posting irrelevant info with a misleading description?
1 brain_on_drugs 2017-08-09
You don't want a civil discourse. You've already launched several insults my way and use phrases like
This post of yours right here is yet another attempt to gaslight.
I'm glad that you blocked me. People like you who feign interests in discussions only to try and gaslight and insult people are part of the problem.
At least now I won't have to deal with you anymore since you blocked me. That's the only good thing to come out of this
1 oneinfinitecreator 2017-08-09
so all use of contest mode is 'controversial'? It's so new its only been used like 15 times. What are you using as a reference regarding its controversial index?
1 StiffJohnson 2017-08-09
Did you just put words in my mouth while complaining that I'm putting words in people's mouths? Don't think I ever said this is the only reason they use contest mode did I?