don't forget this too

If you still believe that Trump and his crew did nothing wrong, then you honestly need to leave this sub.

lol

Anybody really. Neither camp is on our side and to think otherwise is to be a willful pawn in a game we don't fully comprehend.

Agree. Fuck em all.

not even clinton shills, just establishment shills, the shilling goes onto way more subjects than just the political ones

I kinda wonder if the right and left shills are the same people sometimes, and they just put on different hats depending on the goals of the project. There was a comment from a self-proclaimed shill awhile back where he called us retarded, and said something like brb gotta go to a different sub and pretend like I am a liberal in another sub. It is just an anecdote, and hardly conclusive, but it makes a certain sense. The goal isn't to make trump or clinton look good or bad, just make sure that our entire conversation is focused on those things.

That instance was most likely a troll but there is definitely bots on both sides of the autistic screeching... That being said, they probably don't use the same sets of accounts for the same stuff.

What's telling to me is some users stand out in their way of talking and debating in political subjects, you know the usual methods used that give us an hint into what they are and those same patterns are used on various other subjects, notably in vaccine threads for some reason and UFO threads too, anything that is credible that goes outside the official "reality"

Well, I am sure we have different groups too. The one I am talking about had a certain authenticity though imho. It wasn't very dramatic, he didn't make any outrageous claims.

And the language patterns are why I keep saying we probably only have like 10 actual different political shills. Their voice and approach start sticking out after awhile. I think most of the people around here instinctively pick up on it. There are some NLP applications that could determine this more conclusively, but that would be a pretty time consuming project.

I'd estimate more than 10 with alts because I have trouble imagining 10 people managing to astroturf chaotic threads that reach front page :p

I really don't think so. But each one of the 10 run several accounts. And then use tools to scrape comments and posts for keywords of interest. Kind of a real time hit list. Then just use a prepared list of talking points that they just reword. I am not the smartest guy, but I am pretty sure I could do something like this easily based on what I know how to do. It would just be slower because I don't have something that lets me interact with several accounts at the same time. I had tools that allowed me to play several characters in everquest at the same from a single PC some time long ago. I could easily manage 6 characters. I knew other people that could manage more than that. I don't think this would be that much different. I even imagine it is kind of fun.

The sub-subject to my latest post. You have paid accounts for one side, masquerading as the other, posting nonsense as a means of discrediting, all with the goal of keeping everyone busy arguing

Hint: That's what Russian shills are doing as well. They were rampant in the new section of /r/politics

Hint: all the shills are american or outsourced american assets. Russia is a hoax.

I've seen them my self. They would sometimes post links and forget to translate them from Russian. I don't have evidence at hand for this, so take it as much grain of salt as you want.

DNI Report - January 2017

• Moscow’s use of disclosures during the US election was unprecedented, but its influence campaign otherwise followed a longstanding Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, statefunded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.”

• Russian Propaganda Efforts. Russia’s state-run propaganda machine—comprised of its domestic media apparatus, outlets targeting global audiences such as RT and Sputnik, and a network of quasi-government trolls—contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.

May 11 - Intelligence Hearing

COATS: Well, we are -- we will continue to use all the assets that we have in terms of collection and analysis relative to what the influence has been and potentially could be in future. Russians have spread this across the globe -- interestingly enough I met with the Prime Minister of Montenegro the latest nation to join NATO, the number 29 nation, what was the main topic?

Coats: Russian interference in their political system. And so it does -- it sweeps across Europe and other places. *It's clear though, the Russians have upped their game using social media and other opportunities that we -- in ways that we haven't seen before. *So it's a great threat to our -- our democratic process and our job here is to provide the best intelligence we can to the policy makers to -- as they develop a strategy in terms of how to best reflect a response to this.

COATS: I -- I would just add that the use of cyber and social media has significantly increased the impact and the capabilities that -- obviously this has been done for years and years. Even decades. But the ability they have to -- to use the interconnectedness and -- and all the -- all that that provides, that didn't provide before I -- they literally upped their game to the point where it's having a significant impact.

ROGERS: From my perspective I would just highlight cyber is enabling them to access information in massive quantities that weren't quite obtainable to the same level previously and that's just another tool in their attempt to acquire information, misuse of that information, manipulation, outright lies, inaccuracies at time.

But other times, actually dumping raw data which is -- as we also saw during this last presidential election cycle for us.

I don't have evidence at hand for this

You been saying this a lot.

Works like a cop out to any statement made. "I dont have the evidence but its true!!"

I've said it twice. Once to you, and once in the above comment. And I also said take it with a grain of salt. I'm just giving a reason for my views on this.

What do you think about the rest of the above comment?

I wouldn't doubt there would be Russian trolls, as you would call them. Im sure there is evidence. But I think you are being purposely naive to think that they have much of an impact on anything.

You say that there are Russian Trolls on /r/politics, if they are there look at that place, they are not doing a good job. If they cant take over a simple subreddit how the fuck can they influence an election

They have mostly dissapeared from that sub. I'm saying they were rampant during the election and especially in news forums like NPR where I used to be a regular on until they shut down the comment section.

Yeah we can't have people committing wrongthink in a conspiracy subreddit can we?

Here's one of our daily meta threads in an attempt to censor others.

Here's another triggered shill

tfw this comment is an attempt to censor others

I'm not calling for people to leave or be banned for their opinions or different political beliefs or different beliefs in different conspiracy theories.

Why did you delete your thread OP?

no_fap_plz

get a life.

"Our"

This just in, politicians lie, cheat, and steal.

Why only focus on Hillary & crew when there is so much more out there? Seems silly.

I dunno. Justice maybe?

I'm sure most people in this sub would love to see Hillary held accountable, but what makes her special over Trump/Bush...etc? Why should everyone focus on only one aspect of a corrupt system?

I'll tell you why, personal and political beliefs.

the left and right wings--on the "bipartisan plane" of bullshit politics. a plane that flys on the fuel of idiotic indignation.

You got em bud. I'm sure they'll leave now.