1) pizzagate 2) unbiased

Pick one

It's both sides of the aisle, which is why everyone hates on it.

While I do believe that elite child abuse is rampant, I don't think any of the pizzagate stuff holds up under critical analysis. And I work really hard to think of things objectively, not politically.

So, all facts are biased?

Not all facts are biased, just the ones that don't support my political beliefs.

Not according to the above rules. I picked facts, which can't be pizzagate nor unbiased.

It should probably just be 1) pizzagate 2) facts

I'm fine with downvotes, but I want each person who does so to consider that OP asked for "cold, hard information" and "unbiased facts" about Pizzagate, and I don't see any of that in the most upvoted comments above. Just insinuation, peripheral information, loose interpretation, and invitations to explore myriad disparate subject matter. Now I know this is a conspiracy forum, and things can be messy and complicated, but not one person has clearly presented anything in support of the Pizzagate theory which is remotely convincing.

I was keenly interested in the responses this post would receive, but anyone who believes in Pizzagate and has any capacity for critical thought whatsoever should be extremely disappointed.

Pizzagate has hundreds of unbiased facts. It's the conclusions drawn from those facts that are contentious.

Don't bother finding any smoking gun in the emails. Imo the only really wtf email is the pizza hankerchief one. That one deserves a look through. There are some other fishy emails, but like I said, that's not where you're going to find anything too big

Imo the real connections emerge when you start connecting dots. Look into Haiti. Pizzagate is honestly so massive that it's hard to just hand you a single link. All I can say it start digging. When examining pizzagate you have to look at the bigger picture. Sorry I can't send links I'm on mobile and really lazy

Child trafficking would be a more accurate term. There's so much to dig into, but unfortunately this isn't the best place to discuss it due to attacks on the topic. You should go to the pizzagate sub at Voat

It's basically an alternative to reddit. That's where most of the discussion went after the sub here was shut down

Have they set up a decent Android app yet??

I use Boats and it's great

It's like reddit, but not as slick, with more crazy christians and less censorship. The pizzagate sub there has a few hundred pages of documented evidence ranging from rock solid and impeccably researched to ohmygodallspiralsarepedosymbolsandpizzahutisevil.

I would imagine the only reason there is a saturation of Christian's there is because sites like these don't allow them to have communities so large numbers tend to congregate on minimal platforms.

don't discuss it here, go to an echo chamber

Look for the archived instagram pages of J Alefantis and his friends, look at the comments and the profiles of people leaving those weird comments.

Check for friends of comet ping pongs websites, there must be a list over there on voat.

Did you have the opportunity to check comet ping pong's amazing "friend websites" list on their page?

Just look at this fantastic website that was included: http://www.drpong.net/index.php

Because when I think about ping pong for kids, I think about a single shady table, look at the drawing on each one of the pages: a hot dog? a baby? a goat? a wrestler?

Shady webpage's as friends is a major point from PG that most people seem to ignore.

It's a horribly designed website but what's sinister about it?

The things that I said man, hotdog? ok maybe they sell hotdogs, goat? maybe they sell goat meat?, weird Irish guy, kid drawing ok so it's a place for kids, then a baby so ok it's a place for babies too?

Then the super kid friendly picture in the main page, it's all pretty weird for me.

No dude... you've got to know a little German to see the worst parts.

Bottom of the menu page... under "Tischtennis Zubehör," or Table Tennis (ping pong) accessories: "Andro Sußkind," or Andro Sweet Child. "Stickly as a sweet, slow, summertime fuck.

Damn, I never even thought of trying to translate what it said, but that's fucked up.

The whole page is so weird it gives me the creeps.

You've got to know a little German to see the worst parts.

Bottom of the menu page (Angebot).. under "Tischtennis Zubehör," or Table Tennis (ping pong) accessories: "Andro Sußkind," or Andro Sweet Child. "Sticky as a long, slow summertime fuck."

If that's not damning I don't know what is. No place I've ever known would ever fucking have something like that on a "menu," jesus.

Imo the only really wtf email is the pizza hankerchief one.

The beanie baby one is pretty fucked up too.

Link please?

I haven't looked at the emails in a while, so I'll have to get back to you in a bit.

Here is the beanie baby email, definitely seems like code [https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26263(https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26263)

Do you think this person is offering to sell 480 child sex slaves to the entire Georgetown Law faculty and staff? You really think that would be the best way to set up some sale like this? What value would there be in setting up the code of "beanie baby = child sex slave" so that one could come duct business like this indiscriminately on a campus-wide email server?

How does one not immediately arrive at the more parsimonious explanation that people who collect beanie babies are fucking weird and act as if they have a personality?

My comment says it seems like code. Where did I say that this email is about 480 child sex slaves or is code for selling children? Please point that out.

Why does it seem like code? Why do you think that this is not an email for selling a collection of beanie babies? What other explanation makes any sense, given that the email was sent to the entire faculty and staff of Georgetown

Honestly.. and I'm not one to brush off everything PG, in fact see my immediately previous comment for something truly gross..

But I also think this beanie baby email is just some kind of dumb joke email or something. Note that it's addressed to all law faculty and staff at Georgetown (premiere university in DC). I guarantee you that not everyone.. in fact most people.. who would be on that email list are absolutely not down with the bullshit. We're even talking secretaries and underlings.

I suppose it's possible that they would assume that people who wouldn't catch the "lingo" would ignore it or assume it's a dumb joke, but that sounds unnecessarily stupid and risky from their pov. And the people on that list aren't stupid. I just have a hard time with this one.

I just have a hard time with this one.

You should. It's just someone selling a bunch of beanie babies and being cutesy in his email talking about them.

Utterly fucking absurd that anyone even remotely thinks this means anything.

I even doubt that really. I think it's more likely some bad joke of an email or maybe inside jokes, and less likely a college law professional has 400+ beanie babies he has to sell off before mommy finds out. There are better places to sell beanie babies than letting your colleagues know you're a weirdo scared of mommy's opinion.

Whichever the case though, yeah, I see nothing nefarious in this email.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26263

The one about kids in hot tub is the worst tbh

Yeah that one is also incredibly strange. Especially when it says that a swim is a possibility, yet the kids are going to be in that pool for sure.

Fuck I forgot about that one.

That's the thing of PG, you actually have to read and research, most people want a 3 minute video explaining it and those are usually misinformed and that's why most people think the whole deal is bullshit, lazy fucks.

There's nothing nefarious in that email.

That's the thing about pizzagate, every time I dig into it I end up thinking "this is the best proof people have found?" The idea that the blog, this pool party, the pizza shop were all engaged in wide scale trafficking of kids but there's no actual evidence of anything makes the entire conspiracy feel manufactured.

"this is the best proof people have found?"

lol no, the emails it's what started it, if you think that's the biggest thing of PG then that's the reason you are skeptic, you are lacking important information.

there's no actual evidence of anything makes the entire conspiracy feel manufactured

Compared to the numerous conspiracy theories with evidence like 9/11, anunnakis, NWO, illuminati, etc.

There's a reason it's a conspiracy theory and not a police report case, when people say this I completely believe they know nothing about this sub.

The moment a conspiracy theory gets actual evidence it stops being a conspiracy theory my friend, welcome to the sub.

I've been here a while, thanks for your inane condescension. I'll note that you provide no links or sources, and there's nothing but the vaguest of insinuations about Dr Pong

Most of those conspiracies strike me as a bit unhinged. I'm more of a realist, interested in the behind-the-scenes machinations of various power factions as they compete for wealth and power. Most of the conspiracies you mentioned feel like distractions and disinformation to discredit the more obvious conspiracies.

People dismiss "Bush lied us into Iraq" as the same sort of conspiracy as "Lizard people!"

I've been here a while, thanks for your inane condescension.

Well, you made me believe you were new here by saying something so silly like a conspiracy theory needs evidence, so don't blame me.

I'll note that you provide no links or sources

Haha, I invite you to read my first comment again, there's no magic link or magic 5-minute video, you have to do your own research on this specific topic, your problem is you are expecting some source for you to say OH! I believe now!, but that's not going to happen.

If I need to link to I'd send you to voat, go over there to the PG sub and inform yourself, I know you'll be saying you already did, but I don't believe it.

Either do it or don't do it, but there's nothing more for us to discuss.

Every thread on Russia here is full of people saying "No concrete evidence!" Maybe you're new here?

And, like I said, every time I've researched it I get the feeling that it's all manufactured propaganda. I believe there's pedophile rings and weird sex fetishes involving people in power (Catholic church, the British group, Hollywood), but the idea that there was a child sex dungeon operating out in the open out of a pizza shop for an extended period of time without a single victim coming forward doesn't sound credible. All the other pedophile rings had victims coming forward and getting shamed into silence or ignored, but here there's none of that, just some vague emails.

So, keep pushing your bullshit, but you'll have to research it if you want to learn how you've been manipulated by right-wing and Russian psyops who pushed Pizzagate to sow division and chaos.

Ah, you are a "left/right" dude, ok then.

I'm not interested in participating in that divisive bullshit but I'll tell you this:

Every thread on Russia here is full of people saying "No concrete evidence!" Maybe you're new here?

Are you really this dense? lmao

Man, the Russia thing is a conspiracy theory, you know why people were saying that? Because it was in the fucking NEWS!

It's a conspiracy without evidence as much as PizzaGate, but the news tells you one is stupid and the other one is real, when neither of them have concrete evidence, people were pushing the Russia conspiracy as real news, that's why people said that.

No surprise you can't get anything out of Voat, you are one dense mother fucker haha.

Anyway, have a good day and weekend man, as I said nothing good will come from our little chat here.

There is literally no email about hot tubs.

There is an email mentioning a pool that kids are going to swim in.

The response here to the idea of kids playing in a pool at a party is just bizarre. The jump from kids in a pool to hey let's rape all the kids is one I just can't make.

A swim is just a possibility for the adults, yet the kids are going to be in that pool for sure. You have to admit the wording is strange.

Plus, Luzzatto's blog with the "raw and uncut" thing didn't help

When I was a kid and some place had a pool, a swim was a fucking certainty

My kid is a little over a year old now and loves water so much I have to keep our dog's water bowl out of his reach. We went to his first lake recently and weren't sure how he'd take to such a massive amount of water (in his eyes). He ran towards it and stopped for like a second to watch waves, then ran right in.

I can guarantee when he is older and we go to pool parties he will be swimming. I have plenty of family with older kids like this too. If there is a pool and they have the option to swim they will absolutely be in the pool.

Yeeeeep. So much, if not all, of this whole mess is attributable to folks not understanding sub-communities Parents, gay people, the art world, and especially children themselves. They each see and talk about the world differently. Those differences are getting leaned on and relentlessly smeared as kiddy fucking, it's gross and really weird.

To me, this is the strangest element of moral panic by far. Hordes of people that can't concieve of any interest adults could have in children that wasn't sexual, and the cognitive dissonance to not realize that says something weird about themselves

Hordes of people that can't concieve of any interest adults could have in children that wasn't sexual

This is, to me, perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the whole pizzagate thing.

Sent to a bunch of high level media and business people who apparently get together for meetings involving small children in a pool as entertainment.

Not a hot tub, they're talking about kids playing in a heated pool. It was a party for coworkers families. You know, same shit in every office email chain.

A swim is just a possibility for the adults, yet the kids are going to be in that pool for sure. You have to admit the wording is strange.

Plus, Luzzatto's blog with the "raw and uncut" thing didn't help.

I hope the shill money is worth it you monster.

I think you meant that for someone else.

aaa yea.~ redirected my bad.

A swim is just a possibility for the adults, yet the kids are going to be in that pool for sure. You have to admit the wording is strange.

Why is that strange? Kids always swim when there's a pool, sometimes adults don't. Do you have kids?

I'm trying to figure out how to word this in a way that doesn't seem shitty, apologies if I fail: do you remember childhood? If there was a pool, I was in it. Temperature be damned. And old people are more sensitive to the cold.

And the same lady that sent it has a password protected site where she is advertising "raw"' webcam time with an infant.

Finish the quote if you're gonna quote her. She said "raw and uncut".

Yeah, that's completely untrue. No such password protected site exists, you are LARPing off of what was clearly a throwaway joke in one blog post.

What exactly is that supposed to be, you think she's selling child porn?

Want to list the people that email was sent to? Because it doesn't really seem like a family party, more like a list of media and business contacts. I've been to quite a few informal business meetings, and I don't remember kids being the entertainment (or present at all, ever).

There are 10 women on the list. Not the only people who have kids, but yeah there's nothing that makes it look like anything other than a family- friendly event. How damn weird that it was assumed from the outset that it was some sort of skeevy party. "kids in a pool? Yep, that's a rape pool."

In this super backwards and fucked up way, pizzagate sexualizes children to a shocking degree. In that any referenced interaction between a child and an adult that has fallen under the pizzagate shadow is just assumed to be sexual in nature until it can be proven otherwise.* That is a deeply unhealthy way to reflexively view interactions with children, even if it's all being projected outward.

*Of course it never can be. You can't prove a negative, and the stain never ever goes away.

I believe they're CC'd in the very email thread. You can look for yourself.

I hope the shill money is worth it you monster.

I wish I could get paid to point out intellectual dishonesty and logical fallacies, but I do it because I enjoy it and it makes the world better.

Removed. Rule 10. First warning.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5252

Yeah it the email is about a pool, not a hot tub.

If you have to resort to open, naked lies in order to push your narrative, doesn't that have to make you at least wonder if the narrative has merit?

I hope the shill money is worth it you monster.

I hope the shill money is worth it you monster.

LOL, ok there bud

Why does everyone refer to it being a hottub when the email says pool? Alex Jones kept saying that but it wasnt correct. I think it was a shady email and maybe that mistake doesn't sound like a big deal but I think its important to be as accurate as possible.

Why does everyone refer to it being a hottub when the email says pool?

Because "hot tub" sounds more nefarious and sexual.

The Luzzato pool email too, especially in conjunction with Evie's Crib if you can find an archive from before it got scrubbed. Also, the Stratfor emails are worth a look, because they confirm that 'pizza' as a codeword is used outside of Podesta's immediate circle.

Pizza (specifically cheese pizza) was a code word for child porn years ago, long before the Podesta emails. I used to see the term being used on 4chan often. I wish the FBI would come out and acknowledge this fact as it would allow PizzaGate to be taken more seriously by the casual person who isnt into digging in to conspiracy theories.

Yep.

Would someone point out to me how this cheap ass, dirtier than the devils shit hole topic is not "political?"

Why does the post title look like a recruitment to the shit hole?

I think he's suggesting that this whole post is a contrived attempt to convince more people about the validity of the Pizzagate theory under the guise of a neophyte seeking information on the subject. The edits kinda give that impression tbh

What's it like to go through life being a gullible idiot?

cozy.....like being in an oyster bed.

I have first person experience dealing with a pedophile. I can assure you that at least some pedophiles get HIGHLY OFFENDED when anyone even suggests that such a thing exists. They go into a sort of attack mode.

In my opinion, it is a way to spot them.

Ted Gunderson. Franklin Cover Up.

I agree that Franklin is the best place to start researching because there is so much that has been documented, and it'll open your eyes to some disturbing trends. The web connects big name politicians, the media, the CIA, etc. I highly recommend The Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant, along with The Franklin Coverup by DeCamp. You can also check out the Conspiracy of Silence documentary.

From here the rabbit hole really opens up to the Dutroux Affair, pizzagate, etc

The Finders Cult is also a must read for anyone looking into this.

Is that an actual book or are you just stating generally that people should look into the cult? The Finders are a very crucial piece of the puzzle, and the beginning of "The Franklin Scandal" covers them in some depth. The Finders are one way you can connect the CIA to the child trafficking/ritual abuse.

I believe The Finders was something that Ted Gunderson investigated, which is why I brought it up. There are several PDFs floating around with more details but I can't recall where they are specifically.

Gotcha. I was just a little confused by your wording and thought there might be a book I was unaware of. "The Franklin Scandal" contains the actual Customs Report from when the government raided several properties used by the Finders around D.C. They found all sorts of damning evidence, but then the CIA came in and killed the investigation while also sweeping everything under the rug. You should check out the book if you're wanting to learn more about all of this. I can't recommend it enough

http://tedgunderson.info/index_htm_files/US%20Customs%20Service%20Report%20of%20Investigation%20FINDERS.pdf

Yep, that's the report. Thank you for sharing it!

This doesn't have everything, but it's really well done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8urOO0d7n8

the rich and the depraved......

Who took Johnny on Netflix

Listen to the sword and scale 2 part podcast on the franklin coverup. Beyond mental

Episodes 5 & 6 for those interested. It's, so far, a lot of the interviews from back when this was all happening.

Thanks for sharing this.

Another one to check out is theHampstead coverup. You watch those interviews of those kids and tell me you honestly think they are lying. It makes me sick. That should have been the start of blowing open a worldwide investigation....but of course thats why they couldnt allow a real investigation to get off the ground.

I'm really glad this is the top comment instead of one saying pizzagate has already been thoroughly debunked by the CIA Post. Another absolutely confirmed fact that should be of interest is the fact that the longest serving Republican Speaker of the House is also a convicted pedophile who is known to have raped multiple children, Dennis Hastert.

Here is my assumption regarding the CIA. All of them are criminal and a lot of them are pedophiles.The job selects for people who are willing to break the law and the more of a psychopath they are, the higher they clime in the organization. The CIA is run by rapists, torturers and pedophiles.

Yep, this is scary for both sides of the aisle so they have painted it as something only entertained by a group despised by both general sides of the aisle: The alt-right. Any excuse to make this seem fringe and partisan.

Meanwhile over in the anti-Trump threads it's all "here comes contest mode!!!" remarks, sarcastic remarks making it seem as if people pretend Trump has never done anything wrong, and just general shitting on this sub. No discussion whatsoever, and I liked the article for what it was and you would think with the opportunity to have an honest r/conspiracy discussion about Trump they would take it.

I even proved that the vast majority of contested posts are pro Seth Rick/Awan/Wikileaks/DNC related.

Lolz. Op states that he wants cold hard facts and your response is, "here check out these unsubstantiated stories that further the narrative I want to promote!" Way to present just the facts, chief.

You really think people want to believe there is massive pedophilia?

Fact is there's a lot of information surrounding the Franklin Cover Up. Eye witness accounts, victim interviews, psychologist reviews, grand jury, etc...

There is a lot of information about a lot of things. Doesn't make them true.

I want to know why the kidnappings were not investigated by the police. Surely you can provide the reasoning.

Not only did the police not investigate the kidnappings they arrested private investigators hired by one of the family's.

Surely you can explain why this makes sense. Or should we all just ignore the facts because that's more comfortable...

I don't see anything about the police not investigating kidnappings or arresting private investigators. I do see information about a grand jury which suggests that people investigated things enough to convene a grand jury over them. A grand jury that found the claims baseless. But let me guess, that didn't fit your narrative so they must be hiding things...

Dig a little deeper.

It's very strange that child victims were treated like the criminals from the beginning, but you know kids only were claiming sexual abuse - not like it's worth seriously investigating right?

Step one was to discredit the child victims, and you think that's normal.

With people like Gunderson and former CIA director Bill Colby, who also died mysteriously, suggesting there is something to this you might want to keep an open mind.

Dig deeper! Dig deeper and you'll find many blogs and sites full of rumors and hearsay pushing the same sensationalized narrative I want to push! I mean if all these other people think it's a conspiracy just like me, someone must be hiding something!

Here's a conspiracy for you. Did you ever think that all of these sites and blogs promote this narrative because it is all sensational click bait that drives ad stream revenue to the page owners? Hmmmm...

Now you show me the police reports and investigative notes. Show me the witness statements and further interviews. Show me the grand jury subpoenas and transcripts. Show me the documented legal evidence. Show me the car fax!

I have read exactly zero 'blogs' about this case.

I have exclusively researched victim interviews, eyewitness testimony, and interviews with the psychologist assigned by the grand jury and similar professionals.

You can keep pretending this solely exists in the blogosphere, it certainly does not. The information you seek is not hard to find, which suggests you're not interested in actually looking.

So then, like I said, show me your documented legal evidence.

There's plenty of evidence synthesized together in Nick Bryant's book, which was mentioned further up on this thread and also in another comment I made to you. He spoke to several victims and witnesses, and cites from original documents produced during the 1980s and 90s. Much of the documentation is in the book, and a lot can also be found online:

• Notes from the Franklin Committee investigation and investigator Gary Caradori

• Larry King's flight receipts

• Audio interview snippets: 1, 2, 3

• Court documents for Dr. Leslie Collins, a Boys Town counselor

Of course, the book itself is essential to putting all of this information together and building a coherent narrative.

Good information, hard to do on a phone...

You can start with the sword and scale mentioned here - has a good number of victim and investigator interviews; and I hadn't actually saw that until today. Regardless it has many of the actual interviews mentioned and very little commentary.

Funny how you don't know the police treated this as a runaway for no reason, did no proper investigation, and think only their records are relevant. Truly naive.

And then silence... chirp chirp chirp. Sounds like you and I went similar information routes. May I recommend a YouTube video?

https://youtu.be/DFZRQcSMeeM

um, sorry, unlike some of you here, I have a life I live so I don't spend all my time sitting on conspiracy subs on reddit. Although I can't seem to find it anymore, someone had left a comment with a long list of links connecting scanned news articles and notes from the head investigator for the Franklin Committee. I was actually in the process of reading the information. I had just gone through a an article about someone from WVA in relation to a escort service in DC. If I can find the links again, I will continue to look into things. That said, so far, I have seen nothing that has swayed me from believing the grand jury's decision in the matter isn't honest and correct.

found the links!

Lol it took less than one minute to find the links, after typing a paragraph saying you don't have time.

I never said I didn't have time to look for the links.

The Franklin grand jury and Alisha Owen perjury trial were a blatant miscarriage of justice, as Nick Bryant's book The Franklin Scandal explains quite well. Some examples of how the trial was a farce:

• Troy Boner said that he learned the "hoax" from Alisha Owen (6 hours worth of testimony) in a 20-minute phone call that was proven by phone records to have never taken place.

• Boner also said he imparted the "hoax" to Danny King at the bar of the Residence Inn, a hotel which didn't have a bar

• No real explanation was provided for how Paul Bonacci, one of the victims, could name other victims who had come forward but whose identities weren't yet made public

• Robert Wadman, who Owen accused of raping and impregnating her, talked about a blood test allegedly proving he wasn't the father of her child, but the state didn't introduce this into the evidence for the scrutiny of the jurors. An appeals court later admitted that the state "erred" in this decision.

• Wadman lied multiple times to make it seem like Owen's description of him was incorrect: about his arm being severely injured, about not carrying a gun since his time as a federal agent, and about not playing racquetball

• A deposition proving that he lied about not carrying a gun mysteriously disappeared from the evidence and the jurors couldn't view it during deliberation

• The judge told the jurors not to watch a TV program about prominent people being accused of sex crimes that interviewed Robert Wadman and Troy Boner. Almost all of the jurors then went out and watched it.

• Evidence that was never brought up during trial, a supposed letter from Michael Casey telling Owen about how she could profit from the "hoax", was planted in the jury room (according to multiple juror affidavits). This letter was said to come from a search of Owen's cell conducted on March 8, but was dated March 15.

In fact, after just barely managing to get Alisha Owen convicted, the state then dropped perjury charges against Paul Bonacci. I sure wonder why they did that, if it was such an obvious hoax that it would have been easy to convince jurors.

Ben Swann Pizzagate report is what you are looking for.

The short and skinny is that the intelligence community has established listed parallel governments using a network of NGOs and think tanks and one small part of their unethical manipulation of the masses is to use blackmail/bribery circles to ensure politicians who all have been working to expand the authority of these parallel powers.

The intelligence community runs guns and drugs and everyone would be naive to think that they end at people.

Cults are a big part of the bread and butter of the intelligence community, because controlling a cult means you have people who will do anything without regard to consequences.

The media is in on it to the fullest extent, meaning that most politics and war is theater because the real power exchanges are done through infiltration.

Everything is infiltrated. Political groups, environmental, religious... every cause.

Start at Tavistock and US Air Force, ' Some Principals of Mass Persuasion '

Tavistock scientist wrote a book called ' Battle for the Mind ' by Sargent. Includes cult behavior, interrogation, resetting people's brains.

They are connected to Stanford Research, Brookings, Esalen, ARK and through those entities, the Clinton Foundation.

The Clinton Foundation is a CIA proprietary. It takes money for the political influence and forensic interruption capabilities of the parallel machine.

Bizapedia reveals other businesses like J T Packing that has the same Board of directors as the Clinton Foundation.

People like Kadzik, Holder and Comey have been part of this machine for many years as exposed by the FBI vault.

Clintons pardon Marc Rich of Glencore, appoint brother to board of VCS mining, arrange Uranium One with Frank Giustra... all mining operations that use slavery.

The Clinton Foundation is in bed with slavers in the mining industry and help cut red tape around the world to exploit other countries' natural resources.

That is what funds the massive Web of Psy ops upon the population.

That Ben Swann had lots of good videos. Shame they neutered him

This is the best explanation. Start with the overall picture, and get to know the big players mentioned above (which I see as pedogate). Research past busts like the Franklin scandal and Dutreaux affair. View it from the perspective that people are commodities for exploitation, not just for cheap labor but also for the sex trade. This industry runs with fortune 500 corporate precision with many think tanks doubling as supply chain management.

When one understands this holistic framework, it's easier to dissect how a pizza parlor in DC and political bigwigs are up to sinister activities like sex/child trafficking and blackmailing (pizzagate). They're just one small piece of a much larger puzzle that's been going for a long time.

https://youtu.be/oBSvUlkB61s

Look up George Webb and crowdsource the truth on youtube to get the complete depth of the Clinton cabal. Pizzagate is just one small piece of the international crime syndicate that has corrupted many governments including likely half of Congress.

George has been researching and reporting this stuff for over 280 days, every single day. It all started with Eric Braverman, CEO of the Clinton foundation saying "follow the money" and wikileaks publishing emails that revealed many different ratlines and connections to organizations than have been mentioned in the media.

George started talking about the awan brothers at least 150 days ago, and he just got arrested a couple weeks ago, and the mainstream is beginning to catch on to the story. I highly suggest you look them up because they have the most in depth and objectively fact based reporting on the massive government conspiracy that has been operating for the last 20 years

George started talking about the awan brothers at least 150 days ago

The mainstream was talking about the awan brothers over 150 days ago, are you sure he beat them to it? Nothing he's said aside from what the msm reported in febuary/march has been proven even the tiniest bit true yet.

Is daily caller mainstream?

The story obviously didn't get big enough if the awan's were able to get away with what they did while staying on the payroll, a full say after he was finally arrested for bank fraud years after the initial spy scandal was found out

it was in the devil politico as far back as march 1st at least. It didn't blow up because they got investigated and they hadnt found anything, even still he hasn't been charged with anything related to the accusations, so the MSM reported on the initial accusations, but nothing new happened with it until recently

Oh yeah politico, thanks, good to know George and Jason's nearly 300 days of constant research can be debunked with a single article that doesn't even try to report the facts.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/house-democrats-it-staffers-hina-alvi-imran-awan-235569

All it's "debunking" is that they broke the story on the awans, they only started talking about them after the MSM was as far as i can tell.

Didn't find anything except smashed hard drives and blackberries that were all set up to sync to outside servers in Pakistan.

were all set up to sync to outside servers in Pakistan.

source for that? and smashing hard drives isnt illegal, you're supposed to destroy them before disposing of them, which is something he would do in his job (but he may have been hanging onto them for unscrupulous reasons, or being lazy)

The problem with George Webb (although I appreciate him and his team) is that he has put out so many hours of videos of him talking that its just too much for newbies to take in. I really wish they would do the odd summary episode to get people generally up to date so that they could start following along, otherwise what are you supposed to do, start at day 1? No way anyone is going to do that.

They've done summaries, day 280 was a summary i believe. I'd love for them to put together a big long flowing video explaining it all beginning to end, but I think 280 is the closest for now.

The problem is that no one will believe a summary because the investigation is so huge. People just think George makes shit up, if he hadn't crowdsourced a lot of information and publicly documented his progress, at first glance I'd probably think he s schizo.

So people need to get out of their own heads, recognize that this man has been deep in the information every single day, all day, for nearly 300 days, and he has a better understanding of the big picture than any of us do on our own.

Try r/pedogate for some current links.

That place is dead, the voat Pizzagate subverse is fairly active

I'm pretty sure there was a post here about a week or two ago regarding this: http://www.jar2.com/Topics/Pedo_File.html

Large collection.

I already know about like the code words

do you know theyre made up by a random 4channer or did people tell you they're from the fbi?

Yea made up by a 4channer that saw over 10 years into the future..

Right...

what are you even talking about? the codewords were made up after the podesta emails came out

I'm saying the codewords were used on 4chan since it was first created. And I myself saw the code words a few years ago.

So my point is unless they literally somehow looked into the future they didn't make them up.

The code word from 4chan is "cheese pizza" which never appears in the emails, and according to the code means "little girl girl". I don't dispute that the initialism for child porn existed, also included captain picard and others, but the "walnut = person of color" etc is not 10 years old and noone's been able to produce them being used that way.

Why would a bunch of old politicians be using 4chan codewords to begin with?

I tend to think that the term was around long before 4chan, but was only known in pedo circles, which is why most of us wouldn't have heard of it before 4chan came around.

I don't know that for sure, but I'm speaking more of the cheese = little girl stuff, which I have not seen any evidence of being used before that 4chan post. The inclusion of the walnut one is especially weird because its used so few times and is clearly talking about an actual food because of the rest of the context.

Nah cheese pizza means child porn. Cheese is little girl (Which was used many times by the way. Pizza by it self doesn't technically mean anything but if it is used by itself it means something CP related. For example the handkerchief email.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43113

The way they talk about the "walnut sauce" kinda makes it seem like it's something... Exotic? So yea it makes sense that it would be a person of color. And I'm not sure how your certain that code was never used.

Actual pedophiles posted the code words originally on 4chan (Perhaps the politicians?) and then 4chan started using them. Not the other way around. Although the idea of Podesta lurking 4chan is pretty funny.

Also I want to say what made me believe that pizzagate was real. Which would be the raw percent chance. Which is EASILY over 99% And that's just from a couple hours of looking into it. Seriously theirs THOUSANDS of circumstantial evidence. And dozens of those are odd emails. (Hundreds if you include the "art"). And the main argument against the code and art is "It could mean anything though" Which only works if theirs a few or so. Not dozens.

And since I have a feeling your gonna retort something like "Well Trump is a part of it too!" Or "Trump isn't going to do anything about it!"

I would refer you to the blatant jab Trump made at the Red dinner about Hillary and Haiti villages.

From the email you linked:

It's an amazing Ligurian dish made with crushed walnuts made into a paste.

Someone help me decipher this code! What could it mean??

Oh look I found a clue:

https://gabebertaccini.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/walnut-ligurian-sauce/

Ok you debunked one of dozens of code. And then theirs the hundreds of art and then theirs the thousands of connections...

You see my point?

You're taking the wrong point. The point is every piece of evidence I've seen can be debunked similarly, but every time I debunk one, someone like you says 'yeah but look at all the OTHER evidence'.

Yet somehow people find an Italian man talking about Italian dishes like walnut sauce and pasta to be suspicious.

And having weird art you find morally objectionable is not proof of anything.

So what are the other codes you'd like me to debunk?

Uh, No I've only ever seen a few of them actually debunked. Unless you count the "It could be anything" argument.

They happen to have art depicting children sexualised when they also have strange code that is very obviously about child trafficking, So yes it's not solid proof (Which for some reason you are bringing up the retarded solid proof argument even though I was talking about the chances being over 99%. Odd.) But it sure as hell is circumstantial evidence. Also a quick question, Do you seriously not find the art morally objectionable or weird?

So what are the other codes you'd like me to debunk?

I can think of a few off the top of my head

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/30613

"Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?"

The belief from investigators is dominoes = BDSM Domination, So "Do you think I should dominate a girl or a boy"? Also the rest of the email is somewhat oddly worded, But not enough to point out I'd say.

The common argument against this one is that they really were asking if they would play dominoes better if they ate pasta or cheese.... Which is a retarded argument in multiple ways. First off the way it is worded implies it was playing dominoes ontop of the cheese or pasta. So unless they misworded it ain't that. And second of all it makes zero sense as a joke. Even for weird old people.

Theirs also the 65,000$ hotdog email.

https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1223066_re-get-ready-for-chicago-hot-dog-friday-.html

First of all white house doesn't accept outside food. Never seen a explanation for this one "oddly". Just diversions.

Second of all the price is obviously ridiculous. Even for a large party. Which is the main argument against this.

Third of all the "Waitresses" (Literally quoted in the email). The arguments' for this one is either it straight up prostitutes/drugs or it was just someone making up the "Waitresses" thing. Hopefully I don't have to explain how retarded that is, But most of the time people just don't explain it. For obvious reasons.

Theirs one email (Which I can never find sadly) where it was them getting excited about eating one month old pasta. (Or something along those lines). Government elites eating one month old pasta... Huh. Them eating leftovers at all is strange.

Theirs the pool one as well

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/49435

No code is this one (Which you oh so hate), But just a lot of strange wording.

First of all the word transport is strangely formal. Second of all the person mentioning the kids ages is odd. And then theirs the most incriminating part of all.

"so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure."

The first part suggest that the people there are getting entertainment from the children... This could be excused it they were family... But their not. And the second part implies that the kids would be "Willing". Since before this they said a swim was only a possibility.

Like seriously why are they making such a big deal about the children being in the pool? Why is it so important?

They happen to have art depicting children sexualised when they also have strange code that is very obviously about child trafficking.

That only works if you actually accept they're using code, which I do not.

So yes it's not solid proof (Which for some reason you are bringing up the retarded solid proof argument even though I was talking about the chances being over 99%. Odd.) But it sure as hell is circumstantial evidence. Also a quick question, Do you seriously not find the art morally objectionable or weird?

Some of the art most definitely makes me uncomfortable, which is probably what it's meant to do. I wouldn't want it displayed in my home. Yes, it is definitely weird.

None of this means anything, however. I find a lot of people's tastes to be pretty bad in general, but this does not make them bad human beings.

Also, I love how you call wanting proof to be retarded. That's certainly a new tactic.

The common argument against this one is that they really were asking if they would play dominoes better if they ate pasta or cheese.... Which is a retarded argument in multiple ways. First off the way it is worded implies it was playing dominoes ontop of the cheese or pasta. So unless they misworded it ain't that. And second of all it makes zero sense as a joke. Even for weird old people.

Are you kidding me? It's not playing dominoes on TOP of cheese or pasta. It's a lame joke between old people, as if the food were somehow a performance enhancing drug. It's like saying 'do you think I'd play pool better drunk on beer or high on weed'. This context is immediately obvious to anyone who doesn't go in with the mindset that this is pedophilia code.

Also this is in the same email that talks about receiving a gift of cheese, from the guy who talks about making a specific pasta recipe in another email (the walnut sauce). You do realize Podesta is an Italian name, right?

First of all white house doesn't accept outside food. Never seen a explanation for this one "oddly". Just diversions. Second of all the price is obviously ridiculous. Even for a large party. Which is the main argument against this. Third of all the "Waitresses" (Literally quoted in the email). The arguments' for this one is either it straight up prostitutes/drugs or it was just someone making up the "Waitresses" thing. Hopefully I don't have to explain how retarded that is, But most of the time people just don't explain it. For obvious reasons. Theirs one email (Which I can never find sadly) where it was them getting excited about eating one month old pasta. (Or something along those lines). Government elites eating one month old pasta... Huh. Them eating leftovers at all is strange.

Do you realize that none of the people accused in Pizzagate (James Alefantis, John Podesta) have anything to do with this email? Are you aware that this is a Stratfor email from 8 years ago and not part of the DNC or Podesta emails in any way? The man who wrote the email about the $65 000 hot dogs is Fred Barton, and other emails from the same leak included him saying things like “towel heads”, “camel jockies” or “sleezy arsehole ragheads” to describe Arab terror suspects. He was also called a tyrant, and paranoid, by people working at Stratfor.

Once again, that's Stratfor, not the DNC, not John Podesta. This has nothing to do with those emails. You've been fed disinformation.

No code is this one (Which you oh so hate), But just a lot of strange wording. First of all the word transport is strangely formal. Second of all the person mentioning the kids ages is odd. And then theirs the most incriminating part of all. "so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure." The first part suggest that the people there are getting entertainment from the children... This could be excused it they were family... But their not. And the second part implies that the kids would be "Willing". Since before this they said a swim was only a possibility.

I love this email, because it's the most ridiculous of all. People think it's so unreasonable that people would consider children as entertainment.

I was a family dinner the other night, where several relatives were watching a 7 month old playing on the floor. The 7 month old plays a game where if someone coughs, he does a fake cough in return. My cousin, when I arrived, said 'Oh Wesley's just been entertaining everyone for the last half hour' when I asked what they were up to.

So yes, people really do say things like that. It's not that weird, and it's sinister only if you assume pedophilia going in.

Like seriously why are they making such a big deal about the children being in the pool? Why is it so important?

Because people think their children (or grandchildren in this case) are the most important things in the world, and like to believe everyone else will love them as much as they do.

Is this really the best you got? Words taken out of context and forced through a distorted lens? 'Weird phrasing'? And an email from someone not even related to the pizzagate accusations?

Do your research. I did, because I started off as a believer, but as I examined everything that came up, none of it held together.

That only works if you actually accept they're using code, which I do not.

The sheer amount of strange emails bolster the chance that it is pedophile code, You don't seem to understand this.

Also, I love how you call wanting proof to be retarded. That's certainly a new tactic.

Seems you don't know what I was talking about. I was saying how people always ask for solid proof (AKA video evidence). Which is a manipulative tactic to discredit the circumstantial evidence. Obviously if their was solid proof then they would all be in jail. Yet for some reason they keep asking for it. "Oddly".

Are you kidding me? It's not playing dominoes on TOP of cheese or pasta. It's a lame joke between old people, as if the food were somehow a performance enhancing drug. It's like saying 'do you think I'd play pool better drunk on beer or high on weed'. This context is immediately obvious to anyone who doesn't go in with the mindset that this is pedophilia code.

Ok did you copy paste this? (Also I could've sworn I saw this exact wording before) My second point addressed if it was a joke or not yet your argument acts as if I didn't address it...

Also this is in the same email that talks about receiving a gift of cheese, from the guy who talks about making a specific pasta recipe in another email (the walnut sauce). You do realize Podesta is an Italian name, right?

You didn't address the somewhat odd wording. Just reverted back to the "It's Italian food and their Italians therefore It can't be pedo code!" argument... Actually perhaps that's where the pedo code first originated? Ya know with all the pedo priest drama.

Do you realize that none of the people accused in Pizzagate (James Alefantis, John Podesta) have anything to do with this email? Are you aware that this is a Stratfor email from 8 years ago and not part of the DNC or Podesta emails in any way? The man who wrote the email about the $65 000 hot dogs is Fred Barton, and other emails from the same leak included him saying things like “towel heads”, “camel jockies” or “sleezy arsehole ragheads” to describe Arab terror suspects. He was also called a tyrant, and paranoid, by people working at Stratfor. Once again, that's Stratfor, not the DNC, not John Podesta. This has nothing to do with those emails. You've been fed disinformation.

You seem to have a misunderstanding of what Pizzagate is. It's a conspiracy theory on a massive pedo ring in the US government,(Or global). It's not just limited to some people. Also it Burton not Barton.

I was a family dinner the other night, where several relatives were watching a 7 month old playing on the floor. The 7 month old plays a game where if someone coughs, he does a fake cough in return. My cousin, when I arrived, said 'Oh Wesley's just been entertaining everyone for the last half hour' when I asked what they were up to.

Ok your actually not reading what I'm saying are you? I literally said if it was family then it was acceptable and pointed out how they weren't family.

Because people think their children (or grandchildren in this case) are the most important things in the world, and like to believe everyone else will love them as much as they do.

Uh what? What the fuck does their children being important to them have to do with them being in a pool? Seriously what the fuck are you talking about?

Do your research. I did, because I started off as a believer, but as I examined everything that came up, none of it held together.

BULLSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.

I'm going to guess that you first believed in Pizzagate because you guessed that their was a global pedo ring already... Yet you act as if Pizzagate is a small group of people? Extremely contradicting by the way.

Or if your saying you first believed it because of the kinda things we were talking about and looked further and "none of it held together" then you forcefully thought of ways that they don't hold together. Even when your arguments are shit or literally make zero sense (As I have shown above) you still believe they are valid. Either because of bias (I don't know your political leanings) or because it hurts you too much emotionally of the idea that their really is a massive global pedo ring.

Actually I just want to point out that I started as a non believer, Even when I was a Trump supporter since I only saw a few snippets (I thought it was too unlikely for a pedo ring like that to be caught), But then after some hours of research it became clear it was real. Also their is the MKUltra thing among others that help it not being caught.

The sheer amount of strange emails bolster the chance that it is pedophile code, You don't seem to understand this.

No, it doesn't. The emails only look strange if you assume it's code. You don't recognize your own confirmation bias.

Ok did you copy paste this? (Also I could've sworn I saw this exact wording before) My second point addressed if it was a joke or not yet your argument acts as if I didn't address it...

Your second point about if it was a joke was wrong though. It wasn't worded as if they were on top of the food, which is the exact point I made. It was worded as if they were on a substance, as in 'on drugs'. I addressed your second point directly, I feel like you're not reading what I wrote.

You didn't address the somewhat odd wording. Just reverted back to the "It's Italian food and their Italians therefore It can't be pedo code!" argument... Actually perhaps that's where the pedo code first originated? Ya know with all the pedo priest drama.

I did address the weird wording. I addressed it /directly/, but I'll do it again. Here's the quote:

Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?

Let me parse that out for you. "Do you think I'll perform better at the game of dominos" is the first part. Here's where you think they're talking about playing it on top of cheese or pasta, but that's not how it's intended. As I said, it's a stupid joke pretending the food is some sort of performance enhancer, or luck providing substance. So what they are saying is 'Would I do better at the game after having eaten pasta or having eaten cheese', not 'playing dominos on top of pasta or cheese'.

That people can't seem to grasp this is honestly baffling, and gives me no hope for actually resolving this conversation. This is so clearly, unambiguously what is meant, but because some people already believe these people are pedophiles talking in code, they twist it.

You seem to have a misunderstanding of what Pizzagate is. It's a conspiracy theory on a massive pedo ring in the US government,(Or global). It's not just limited to some people. Also it Burton not Barton.

Just because that's what you say Pizzagate is doesn't make it so. Pizzagate ran out of steam so people tried to fold it into some global conspiracy and label it Pedogate.

I am in no way denying there is pedophilia among the elites, but pizzagate was a theory that came from the Podesta emails and tied to comet ping pong. However, neither of us is the final arbiter about what the definition of Pizzagate is, so I don't see any point arguing it. However, the 'code' and emails that you have been referring to have all been from the podesta emails. If you want to argue outside of those emails, I'm not going to deny you. But within those emails there's only bullshit.

Ok your actually not reading what I'm saying are you? I literally said if it was family then it was acceptable and pointed out how they weren't family.

Why is it only acceptable to find kids entertaining if they're family? Many people love kids. I brought my newborn to my dad's office just this week and all of the staff were crazy to meet her. People love kids, especially people who are parents. They don't have to be family for it to not be weird, that's an entirely arbitrary line you've drawn.

Uh what? What the fuck does their children being important to them have to do with them being in a pool? Seriously what the fuck are you talking about?

Why do you need to justify kids being in a pool? Kids love people, and adults love seeing kids enjoy themselves.

I'm going to guess that you first believed in Pizzagate because you guessed that their was a global pedo ring already... Yet you act as if Pizzagate is a small group of people? Extremely contradicting by the way. Or if your saying you first believed it because of the kinda things we were talking about and looked further and "none of it held together" then you forcefully thought of ways that they don't hold together. Even when your arguments are shit or literally make zero sense (As I have shown above) you still believe they are valid. Either because of bias (I don't know your political leanings) or because it hurts you too much emotionally of the idea that their really is a massive global pedo ring.

Pizzagate, as I refer to it, is the podesta emails the supposed code for pedophilia, as well as the Comet Ping Pong connection. That is the scope of what I am discussing, and that is what I consider to be utter fabrication.

If you want to discuss some global elite pedophilia ring, go ahead. I'm not going to argue, because it's probably accurate and I know nothing about it. However, the content of these emails is available for everyone to read, and that is what I'm discussing.

I concur.

Your second point about if it was a joke was wrong though. It wasn't worded as if they were on top of the food, which is the exact point I made. It was worded as if they were on a substance, as in 'on drugs'. I addressed your second point directly, I feel like you're not reading what I wrote.

It sure as hell didn't look like that, But ok.

Let me parse that out for you. "Do you think I'll perform better at the game of dominos" is the first part. Here's where you think they're talking about playing it on top of cheese or pasta, but that's not how it's intended. As I said, it's a stupid joke pretending the food is some sort of performance enhancer, or luck providing substance. So what they are saying is 'Would I do better at the game after having eaten pasta or having eaten cheese', not 'playing dominos on top of pasta or cheese'. That people can't seem to grasp this is honestly baffling, and gives me no hope for actually resolving this conversation. This is so clearly, unambiguously what is meant, but because some people already believe these people are pedophiles talking in code, they twist it.

Saying it is clearly a old person joke just proves your bias, But I suppose you repeating the same shit about "It only looks like pedo code because you guys went in looking for pedo code" hides it from yourself.

Just because that's what you say Pizzagate is doesn't make it so. Pizzagate ran out of steam so people tried to fold it into some global conspiracy and label it Pedogate.

I am in no way denying there is pedophilia among the elites, but pizzagate was a theory that came from the Podesta emails and tied to comet ping pong. However, neither of us is the final arbiter about what the definition of Pizzagate is, so I don't see any point arguing it. However, the 'code' and emails that you have been referring to have all been from the podesta emails. If you want to argue outside of those emails, I'm not going to deny you. But within those emails there's only bullshit.

Retarded argument. Thinking that Hillary (Basically a representation of the deep state) isn't involved when it's her right hand man is just ridiculous.

Why is it only acceptable to find kids entertaining if they're family? Many people love kids. I brought my newborn to my dad's office just this week and all of the staff were crazy to meet her. People love kids, especially people who are parents. They don't have to be family for it to not be weird, that's an entirely arbitrary line you've drawn.

By acceptable I mean possible (And I have a feeling you knew I meant that). People don't care about kids that aren't in the family. ESPECIALLY some random old dudes. And your example isn't entertainment like we were talking about. More of a basic social "event".

Why do you need to justify kids being in a pool? Kids love people, and adults love seeing kids enjoy themselves.

Lmao I like how you just gave up on your original argument on this. And again adults only love to see kids enjoy themselves if they are family. And I don't see how they have absolutely have to be in the pool to enjoy themselves.

So it seem I was right about you not being able to emotionally handle it and therefore forcefully explaining away the emails. Considering the newborn. And again Podesta is Hillary's right hand man so suggesting that Podesta isn't involved in the global pedo ring is kinda retarded.

Just tackling the dominoes email for the moment, you can find additional emails between these people. One from christmas the year before and how he received pasta as a gift. Another about the sender being taught dominoes. In your opinion, what is the purpose of these emails in relation to the code.

a) they are still using the domino/cheese/pasta code b) actually do describe mundane events such as receiving a gift or playing dominoes c) were set up for the express purpose of covering up the "real" code at least a year in advance

which option do you think is most likely?

Him being taught dominoes (AKA domination) would probably just be him being taught the "funnest" way to do it. Or a way to say they want to do it together, So no they didn't set it up to cover the real code.

And option b is actually the most likely... If it was the only odd email/ piece of circumstantial evidence. Again this is a REALLY important part everyone seems to miss about Pizzagate.

And you believe pasta refers to a gender of children, would that be accurate?

Yeap.

Feel free to refresh my memory, but the only use of the word pasta within the Podesta emails are these we are discussing and the walnut sauce one. Which ones am I missing?

The one month old pasta one is the only one I can remember. I'm sure theirs more though.

I've asked for the one month old pasta one to be shown to me in wikileaks, but everyone has failed to present it thus far. If you are to suggest an entire code revolves around the word pasta, it would be prudent to have those emails available. In your opinion are the dominoes email and walnut sauce email sufficient to decipher that pasta = kids?

No one has found it again probably because google is hiding it. Do you seriously think people just made it up on mass? The same exact thing?

The walnut email was debunked I suppose, But the dominoes email (and others) gives a decent chance that the pasta code is real. Probably under 50% but still a pretty decent one. Also pasta = little boy not kids cause ya know noodle = dick or whatever.

I think someone made it up, then it was repeated without ever being verified. Feel free to find it on wikileaks, I have been unsuccessful in that effort, however.

Nah I remember specifically seeing the email on the wikileaks website.

Saying it is clearly a old person joke just proves your bias, But I suppose you repeating the same shit about "It only looks like pedo code because you guys went in looking for pedo code" hides it from yourself.

There are perfectly innocent, straightforward, obvious explanations for everything in these emails. The burden is on you to prove that they have meaning beyond the obvious, apparent ones. They even make more sense in the surface context than in the code context.

For this to be code, you have to invent meanings for dominos, cheese and pasta, and then somehow explain why they'd word it in such a strange way. The much more simple explanation is the obvious one. What even makes you think it's code to begin with, other than someone on the internet told you it was?

Retarded argument. Thinking that Hillary (Basically a representation of the deep state) isn't involved when it's her right hand man is just ridiculous.

Logical error. I'm not saying Hillary isn't involved (though I don't know where she came into this). I'm saying that in these leaked emails there is no evidence for pedophilia. Once again your argument is starting from the premise 'this is coded pedophilia' and working backwards from that.

By acceptable I mean possible. People don't care about kids that aren't in the family. ESPECIALLY some random old dudes. And your example isn't entertainment like we were talking about. More of a basic social "event".

This is just demonstrably not true. You might not care about kids that aren't in your family, but for you to state that NO ONE does is so absurd. I even gave examples of people caring about children not in their family.

Hell random strangers in the street have asked me about my newborn. For you to be right, no one in the world is allowed to care about a child not related to them. For you to be wrong, I only need one example of someone caring about a kid not related to them.

Lmao I like how you just gave up on your original argument on this. And again adults only love to see kids enjoy themselves if they are family. And I don't see how they have absolutely have to be in the pool to enjoy themselves.

I haven't given up on everything. Just because you haven't responded to every single word I've said doesn't mean you've backed off on everything you don't mention in every post, does it?

Who said the kids /have/ to be in the pool? The woman in the email said the kids she was bringing would definitely go in the pool. Why does that need an explanation or justification? Many kids love being in the pool, and many people love seeing kids have fun. If you've never experienced joy at seeing a child play, I feel a bit sorry for you, but it requires some deliberate obtuseness to assume no one ever anywhere in the world could get joy from that.

So it seem I was right about you not being able to emotionally handle it and therefore forcefully explaining away the emails. Considering the newborn. And again Podesta is Hillary's right hand man so suggesting that Podesta isn't involved in the global pedo ring is kinda retarded.

I'm not even saying Podesta is not a pedophile. I don't know if it he is or not. What I am saying, and firmly believe, is that the podesta emails have no evidence of pedophilia, and they do not contain codewords for discussing pedophilia or the trafficking of children.

You are constantly dismissive and insulting, and like to use the word 'retarded' to describe my arguments. It is not arguing in good faith to write me off as too emotional to be rational. I've tried to be respectful and polite, and you have not done the same.

I respectfully suggest we stop discussing this, since neither of us is going to change our minds, and I don't feel like being called retarded anymore. Feel free to respond and get the last word, but I don't feel further conversation will be fruitful.

I would like to see if you can respond one last time without being insulting, but somehow I doubt it.

There are perfectly innocent, straightforward, obvious explanations for everything in these emails. The burden is on you to prove that they have meaning beyond the obvious, apparent ones. They even make more sense in the surface context than in the code context.

You've missed my main point. It is more likely for those email to be innocent... When theirs only a few or so of them alone. I would say the chance of a email by itself being guilty would be something like.... 5 - 10 percent... And even if it was half a percent the sheer amount of them still adds up to over 99% easily.

Logical error. I'm not saying Hillary isn't involved (though I don't know where she came into this). I'm saying that in these leaked emails there is no evidence for pedophilia. Once again your argument is starting from the premise 'this is coded pedophilia' and working backwards from that.

How come you miss what I mean every.single.time. It's pretty odd. What you were saying was you believed in a global pedo ring but not a small group of people you think pizzagate is about. I pointed out how Hillary (Again a representation of the deep state AKA what would be a global pedo ring) is directly connected to Podesta. Meaning separating them is retarded.

This is just demonstrably not true. You might not care about kids that aren't in your family, but for you to state that NO ONE does is so absurd. I even gave examples of people caring about children not in their family. Hell random strangers in the street have asked me about my newborn. For you to be right, no one in the world is allowed to care about a child not related to them. For you to be wrong, I only need one example of someone caring about a kid not related to them.

You don't know what care means. Actually we weren't talking about care anyways, we were talking about entertainment... Actually you brought up the care thing with that original retarded shit about the parents caring so much about their children they wanted them to be in the pool very badly, Still haven't explained that point to me. Almost as if your trying to control the conversation.

I haven't given up on everything. Just because you haven't responded to every single word I've said doesn't mean you've backed off on everything you don't mention in every post, does it?

You say this as you ignore what I was talking about. Lmao. Also I didn't back down from anything like your implying. I always respond to every point. If I ignored a certain part it because I already answered it.

Who said the kids /have/ to be in the pool? The woman in the email said the kids she was bringing would definitely go in the pool. Why does that need an explanation or justification? Many kids love being in the pool, and many people love seeing kids have fun. If you've never experienced joy at seeing a child play, I feel a bit sorry for you, but it requires some deliberate obtuseness to assume no one ever anywhere in the world could get joy from that.

Changing the word usage doesn't help your argument. She said "They would definitely be in that pool" Your word usage suggest they would be in the pool of their own volition. And again it would only be family that enjoy kids having fun.

I respectfully suggest we stop discussing this, since neither of us is going to change our minds, and I don't feel like being called retarded anymore. Feel free to respond and get the last word, but I don't feel further conversation will be fruitful.

Your not changing your mind because you completely ignore my main point which (again) is that all the circumstantial evidence no matter how unlikely adds up. And I only use the word retarded if the argument is completely broken at a fundamental level. With you it was usually contradictory statements.

The point isn't whether cheese was used many times, its where does "cheese = little girl" come from? "cheese pizza" is the term from 4chan, and that didn't mean little girl porn. The list with hot dog and walnut and pasta all came out after the fact, made to suit the emails. Which you could still say "heres a code i came up with to deciper these weird emails" but it is not true to say it fit an existing code, because the one that was preexisting, they didn't actually use.

Nah cheese was used on 4chan. Albeit rarely, I've seen it a few times myself.

Ben Swanns Reality Check is a good run down on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GZFHLAcG8A

If you wanted this post to appear like an honest question you shouldn't have made those edits. They give you away.

Edit: Keep the downvotes coming people, you can't bury this topic

Edit 2: Was at nine outvotes now I'm down to zero, keep it up shills

Pizzagaters try this all the time.

To be fair, this post is downvoted to 50% for no good reason. He is just asking for information about a conspiracy on a conspiracy subreddit. What explanation is there for so many downvotes?

It's pizzagate, and the post sounds like it's pushing that dishonestly. I'll always downvote either.

And this is a conspiracy sub. Where else should pizzagate be discussed?

r/The_Donald.

So which conspiracies are we allowed to discuss then? A list of approved topics would be useful for future reference.

I didn't down vote, but the tile and post together absolute reek of disingenuously posing as neutral fact finding in order to recruit, push, and reinforce the narrative. Then the edits pretty well confirm it. Some people don't react well to the reek of narrative feeding.

I'm one of those people that gets very tired of the LCD parts in areas of interest like this, the fun one liners based off circumstantial evidence only keep me satiated for so long until I feel the need to get something more concrete or move on. Fortunately the latter has happened in this case, albeit the title isn't pizzagate for me anymore. Even if the people there at day one like me had a reasonable construction of possibilities based on tangible things, it doesn't really matter because now people associate it with "haha you think they have KIDS under every pizzashop in DC" and I don't really find it necessary to fight over what I think a meme word means, especially when I've already watched so many people divide themselves up and in-fight instead of continue looking into things (just like [Insert TPTB of your choice here] wants you to. And I'll be completely honest, there's a lot of mouth breathing retards that have a fetish for hashtags and sensational claims that shit everything up in the wake of the early/refined pursuers of information, and sometimes even worse in the front of us—for example the people writing shit on Alefantis' Instagram that alerted him to disable it, etc. But its ok, because all the details and facts still keep coming up and they're the same even if you call the whole thing something else, or try and look at a perspective (often bigger, and in cases easier to influence positive change in). Taking a detour to see to better perceive the machinations isn't a bad thing. Don't take this as a message to blow off everyone in the comments section, just keep up with how you sounded in the post and be prepared to continue down a whole bunch of rabbitholes of different directions (and be able to turn around when it bottoms out).

imo you should check out this reddit post, The Mountain of Evidence for a Massive International Pedophile Ring Protected by Police and Intelligence Agencies. Besides the McMartin Preschool, of which I'm skeptical of after reading this further analysis, there's some good info here about some historical events and out of them I can comfortably recommend looking into the Dutrox Affair—as for the others, they have varying levels of tangibility. The Lincoln Nebraska Scandal and The Finders stand stronger out of rest to me, and while kind of hard to find further information beyond the standard line, I have had a few instances of people going into further detail into The Finders tangentially in a way that boosted the validity of the claims and I'd place that second after Dutrox. That being said I separate these from the Dutrox Affair because they don't have enough to stand on for my own taste. I'm not saying they're fake, just that there's a LOT of documentation on things you'd never expect that I'm far more confident in standing behind. So definitely read all of it and collect all the facts, but even if you disagree with some of it I'd take in the themes and ideas because you'll notice patterns in the future.

As for The Dutrox Affair

I'm looking for unbiased facts, I don't want any liberal or any conservative bullshit. I'm not really looking for shit that could be a coincidence either or stuff like "oh all the places around there have pedo symbols" I like cold hard information, not speculation."

Fucking W E W lad I got some shit picked out for you from isgp-studies.com, they're from Joël van der Reijden's research on "Superclass Child Abuse" and listed in somewhat intended reading order. Hope you have a free weekend its going to take awhile to get through all these, there's at least a couple 40k+ articles.

Beyond The Dutroux Affair: The Reality Of Protected Child Abuse And Snuff Networks

"La Nebuleuse": Supranational Network Tied To Child Abuse Networks, Iran Contra, Cocaine Cartels And The Bcci's "Black Network"

The European Institute Of Management: Opus Dei Ran Outfit With Nazi Employees, Linked To Elite Child Hunts And Cia, Owned By 1001 Club Member

"Beyond Dutroux" Ties To France: Child Abuse Networks Reportedly Exploited By ''Notables''

Pizzagate: Truth, Lies, New Dutroux X-Dossiers Ties

Dutroux, Nihoul and X-Dossier investigators

Beyond Dutroux Ties To 1950s-Era Cia Covert Operation. Plus: The Mysterious "Dr. Green" Identified

Marcel Hofmans: Sex Clubs, Sex Cults And Morgues; More "Beyond Dutroux" Documents From Belgium

Belgian X-Dossiers Of The Dutroux Affair: List Of Elites Accused Of Involvement In Child (Ritual) Abuse Networks By X1, X2, X3, X4 And Others

I could keep going but I'll just say go look at anything you're interested in on the site, its nuts

Hopefully you'll be interested in this more historical documentation on the rabbithole, if anything I think it just made me more interested in getting to the bottom of whatever's going on in those emails, whether pizza is kids, pizza is weapons, organs, whatever permutation of food and horrible shit we keep seeing. On that topic, I'd check out George Webb's investigation (or the daily live streams on current activities/news w/ Crowdsource The Truth for those with less time to binge this) as a last recommendation—its finally come thru in the eyes of many after the stories he was chasing and his findings bubbled up to the MSM, and I feel quite a bit more comfortable recommending his now 280+ day investigation log consisting of multiple uploads a day on his findings, working theories, and later on his daily movements around the country looking at leads.

didn't proofread this, glhf be careful on that internet fam

A lot of it is speculative. I think there is value in going through a lot of the coincidences and deciding for yourself what you believe. If you aren't willing to do that you won't have a very meaningful opinion on the topic. Though of course it is a conspiracy theory topic dealing with very connected people doing some horribly evil shit so it is inherently difficult to be factually informed so if that is vital to you forming an opinion on it you might not want to even bother.

Read the pizzagate wiki compiled by RebelSkum. Very in depth and informative.http://pizzagate.wiki/Main_Page

this is a good documentary about how it goes down in Hollywood

Like what others have said. Focus on the franklin cover up, and the dutroux affair. Also study the relations to these and the Iran Contra affair.

https://isgp-studies.com/belgian-x-dossiers-of-the-dutroux-affair

WARNING: Disturbing content. NSFW. valuable digest of the Dutroux affair. Very hard to read, though.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:The_Franklin_Cover-Up.pdf

A free pdf of John Decamp's The Franklin Cover-up. This is a great start in understanding pedogate. Wikispooks is a great source of info for conspiracy theorists in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY-F5JoHoho

This is an extremely important documentary on the franklin scandal, called Conspiracy of Silence. A must watch.

I am afraid that topics like this are going to be suppressed with this info coming out by the mods and all. This topic is intimately related to politics, and sometimes new info and hunches may not have much data to back it up, though it is still valuable info.

I already know about like the code words and shit like that

This right here is the biggest element of misinformation involved in this conspiracy. (and I don't mean that as a personal attack on you, I am positive that you have good intentions)

It is just accepted as fact that the whole pizza code is legit, usually that it came from the FBI. But that FBI memo talks only of the symbols. The pedo pizza code was invented purely on 4chan, and has no validity. The exception being that Cheese Pizza has been used on the internet to wink at Child Porn, and this seed crystal of truth is used to sell the whole lie. Cheese Pizza was only ever used before this happened, more of a tongue in cheek thing than a code. Just "pizza" never meant kiddy porn/abuse before this. However, it is VERY common to use 'pizza' to allude to drugs and prostitution.

Taking it one step further, there is a wealth of evidence that elites have been abuses children for ages, in a really organized fashion. Why, after doing this for hundreds of years, would they suddenly adopt a simple corruption of a script kiddy reference to child porn? Surely they would have developed their own way to wink at this somewhere along the centuries. I mean is the idea that some Rothschild was trolling 4chan for lolis and just happened to pick up the lingo and pass it along to the rest of the elite in a decade or so?

Camp Nose. Dennis Hastert and Tony Podesta were there. Follow the nose. All surrounds the Rock. The Rockerfeller mansion in the center of Rock Creek Park. Ancient tunnels and underground temple designed by L'enfant for the founders of the ancient bloodlines. Karoma Heights. The Moloch and pentagram designed into the ancient construction of Dc with the White House in the center.

Okay , this is my first comment on reddit, I've been a lurker for, 10 years? when it all went down (wikileaks /pizzagate) I lost alot of sleep and spent 3 months on this video, I feel for what it is, it's one of the best (short) videos on the subject please check this out, https://youtu.be/dRqcX6thV9k

a concise and well put together take on it......

I really appreciate it, as I finished this video my wife told me she was pregnant with our first baby and I broke down in tears, I've received hate mail and threats, and all I have yo show is this short video, keep fighting

we're turning the corner on this.

they're scared and we know it.......

Voat is still working on it.

Before pizzagate https://youtu.be/v-IwDZgzcnI

Its all a big 4 chan troll, pizzagate is nonsense and you might as well get a t shirt that says "I'm an idiot" if you believe any of it

https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=222773

Here's a thread I was involved with a few years back investigating the crimes of jimmy savile.The thread is absolutely massive ,over 5000 pages,Many ties to pizza gate. It's like the British version of pizza gate,maybe we could call tea and crumpets gate.

Watch "conpiracy of silence" go through WikiLeaks and search through his emails yourself. Look into the detroux affair, and even look at Jimmy savile.

The only evidence you need is (1) knowing what information is out there, including the emails, the symbols, the photos of childrenn, the way these people were talking about it all, etc, and (2) the fact that the allegations involve people in powerful positions and (3) the simple fact that no investigation on any level has been done. Not even local child welfare services.

If that doesn't make your hair stand on end, nothing will.

i getting episodes of angina......

Voat.co has a great PizzaGate sub....that's where everyone went after Reddit shut down the sub here. If you use Facebook, IMO the best group is the "PizzaGate Research Group". Introduce yourself if you join and say that you are a beginner, and we will try to get you oriented.

Just keep everything in context and do your own research. The email's in context are not that nefarious or damning. There is A LOT of distorted truth and grasping for links that aren't there. Especially with things like the "pedo cult symbols". For a while articles of "100's of arrests in sex ring busts" and "thousands of children go missing a year" are wielded as evidence, and they sound connected from the headline, but you find the arrests are sex workers, pimps and johns who are usually back on the street busted multiple times...not some helpless children slaves of government power players. And that 99% of the reported missing children are found and repeatedly go missing as those numbers include normal child runaways...which is fairly common.

These people know pizzagate isn't true and nothing will come of it so now they are trying to cast a wider net and any pedos getting caught anywhere in the globe now and they point to it as proof, yelling "Look! Pizzagate! Pedogate!". Pizzagate was political propaganda and many on here fell for it hook line and sinker.

Good luck man! That's a bog thing to uncover. Pizzagate is nasty, dangerous game.

Finish the quote if you're gonna quote her. She said "raw and uncut".

Yeah, that's completely untrue. No such password protected site exists, you are LARPing off of what was clearly a throwaway joke in one blog post.

What exactly is that supposed to be, you think she's selling child porn?

it was in the devil politico as far back as march 1st at least. It didn't blow up because they got investigated and they hadnt found anything, even still he hasn't been charged with anything related to the accusations, so the MSM reported on the initial accusations, but nothing new happened with it until recently

Ah, you are a "left/right" dude, ok then.

I'm not interested in participating in that divisive bullshit but I'll tell you this:

Every thread on Russia here is full of people saying "No concrete evidence!" Maybe you're new here?

Are you really this dense? lmao

Man, the Russia thing is a conspiracy theory, you know why people were saying that? Because it was in the fucking NEWS!

It's a conspiracy without evidence as much as PizzaGate, but the news tells you one is stupid and the other one is real, when neither of them have concrete evidence, people were pushing the Russia conspiracy as real news, that's why people said that.

No surprise you can't get anything out of Voat, you are one dense mother fucker haha.

Anyway, have a good day and weekend man, as I said nothing good will come from our little chat here.

There's plenty of evidence synthesized together in Nick Bryant's book, which was mentioned further up on this thread and also in another comment I made to you. He spoke to several victims and witnesses, and cites from original documents produced during the 1980s and 90s. Much of the documentation is in the book, and a lot can also be found online:

• Notes from the Franklin Committee investigation and investigator Gary Caradori

• Larry King's flight receipts

• Audio interview snippets: 1, 2, 3

• Court documents for Dr. Leslie Collins, a Boys Town counselor

Of course, the book itself is essential to putting all of this information together and building a coherent narrative.

You can start with the sword and scale mentioned here - has a good number of victim and investigator interviews; and I hadn't actually saw that until today. Regardless it has many of the actual interviews mentioned and very little commentary.

Funny how you don't know the police treated this as a runaway for no reason, did no proper investigation, and think only their records are relevant. Truly naive.

Yeeeeep. So much, if not all, of this whole mess is attributable to folks not understanding sub-communities Parents, gay people, the art world, and especially children themselves. They each see and talk about the world differently. Those differences are getting leaned on and relentlessly smeared as kiddy fucking, it's gross and really weird.