Question for anyone here that was unhappy with President Trump's response to Putin expelling all U.S. diplomats: What do you think the proper response should have been?
0 2017-08-11 by DontTreadOnMe16
I asked this to several people in the thread about it here yesterday, and not one person replied. So I'm legitimately interested in what a better response would have been.
Personally, I think he handled it well. He not only trivialized Putin's decision, but he also avoided escalating the situation by using humor and sarcasm over threats and condemnation. I'd go so far as to say that I'd bet a guy like Putin would actually respect a response like that.
Granted, I understand there are a lot of people who think that Trump is incapable of criticizing Putin. But that then brings up the question of why is it a bad thing that Trump and Putin show respect for each other? Getting along with our biggest enemies should be seen as a good thing for the American/Russian people right?
I really wish he would have handled the situation with North Korea in the same manner. Just laughed off Kim's comments with some sarcastic response and let it be.
Anything that moves us away from war = Good
Anything that moves us closer to war = Bad
Disclaimer: I'm not a supporter of either party, just looking to further understand the POV of each side better. If you're not interested in having an open, honest, and civil discussion about this, then please do not participate.
Edit: God damn, 36% upvoted? Seriously? You'd think this post would FLY to the top with how "infested" this place is with T_D trolls... /s
Edit 2: Really surprised to see how many rational and reasonable responses I got. Happy to see there's still people here that don't buy into this two party BS, nor MSM hysteria over nonsense.
51 comments
1 swampsparrow 2017-08-11
all the teeth gnashing about it is way overblown. He was making light of the situation. Literally no big deal.
1 tedsmitts 2017-08-11
"We respect Moscow's decision in this matter and look forward to the day when we can again normalize relations."
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
Touche, that would have definitely been the more "Presidential" way to handle it.
At the same time though, I feel like that might have pissed off the left even more. Imagine how quickly this would turn to "Trump admits that he RESPECTS Putin and Moscow!!"
1 openwrtq 2017-08-11
Very true. I think he handled it well. No doubt he called Putin afterwards and was like "these fuckers are such losers"
1 AVWA 2017-08-11
He didn't expel all US diplomats, just about half. And about the response doesn't matter. The US is so divided that regardless what Trump does half the people will defend it and half will attack it.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
It's so sad to see the country like this. How is anything supposed to get done with that kind of mindset?? Trump does good things and bad things. Unquestioningly supporting him or unquestioningly opposing (and even viscerally hating) him seems like a recipe for disaster.
But, ultimately, I guess that is exactly how TPTB like it.
1 AVWA 2017-08-11
For sure, I completely agree.
1 subterranean_agent 2017-08-11
Wasn't Moscow's decision a result of the new sanctions bill that Trump was forced to sign by the House and Senate? If so, then Trump's response was a perfect de-escalation of concocted tension by Congress.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Umm the tension is on Russia, you know for hacking and influencing the election.
Trump folded like a bitch and said THANK YOU DADDY to putin. He shit talks anyone and everyone but Daddy Putin
1 subterranean_agent 2017-08-11
Where is your proof that the election was hacked and influenced? Your sources?
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
First off Congress appointed the sanctions based on some things that are classified. You know as most things in the government.
Mind you this was pretty much unanimous with only 5 voting no.
You can read the evidence that is public here
1 subterranean_agent 2017-08-11
WaPo employes John Podesta and is owned by Jeff Bezos who has connections with the CIA. Your source is notoriously left-leaning and therefore doesn't qualify as proof.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Donald Trump has connections to Hillary Clinton. Therefore he is a democratic plant to bring down the GOP.
See i can make up bullshit scenarios too based on shit like that.
It qualifies as proof you're just sticking your head in the sand. Why not read it, it wont hurt you. They've sourced almost all of it. You can look for yourself?
But hey isn't writing off a well respected publication easier?
Maybe try countering the claims made in the article? Oh right you cant do that!
This whole Russia is still a hoax thing is getting QUITE pathetic
1 subterranean_agent 2017-08-11
I don't need to rebut a thing, because the work has already been done for me.
It's simple: if there is already concrete proof of Russian election meddling, then why is Mueller still investigating and why is Trump still in office?
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Whatever you need to think to keep yourself blissfully unaware of whats going on...
Because cases of this magnitude take time? And this is also a case of collusion and the trump campaigns possible involvement in it? Seems like they're dialing in on the Trump tower meeting.
Ill spin that question around. If the Russia thing is a hoax and its all bullshit. Why is Mueller still investigating? Why is he ramping up the investigation, hiring more people who are giving up millions.
Why is Trump constantly deflecting and distracting if he's innocent?
Why not offer up those tax returns he's been so keen about hiding ?
Watergate took 2 years.
1 subterranean_agent 2017-08-11
Mueller is still investigating because it's the only chance you have at doing anything to Trump. Last I heard, Mueller is no longer directly investigating Russia collusion, but is going for Trump's financial records and family history. It looks like a desperate over-reach and the public is tired of hearing the MSM cry wolf.
You're losing support everywhere.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Which is how you tie trump to russia? Are you honestly that dumb? Do you think Trump doesn't have tons of money tied there, whether it be his family or his business? His own sons are quoted as saying as such. Did you honestly think Mueller wasn't going to look at Trumps Financials? Something he has kept from the public for so long?
In what world do you live where this is the case? Trump is the one with falling support. And he's completely within his perimeters set forth by the the Deputy AG in his initial statement.
1 subterranean_agent 2017-08-11
Trump is a businessman elected President. Of course I expect him to have some (legal) financial dealings with foreign countries, especially Russia who is the #2 world superpower. What's your opinion on Mueller being involved with the uranium that was sold to Russia?
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Trump has been corrupt for years. Has also denied he had any money tied in russia till he was forced to disclose that. Just like everyone in his administration.
So what you're saying is Mueller has connections with Russia? Is that what you're saying? How does that help your argument? Not to mention this was an independent counsel and he was confirmed to have no conflicts of interest. Even gave up MILLIONS to work this case.
See you're attacking mueller, you have to attack credibility to make yours make sense and just like trump, you're failing at that.
1 subterranean_agent 2017-08-11
Look man, I'm just a blue collar worker wondering why he's sitting here arguing with a guy on a welfare check on his day off.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/wikileaks-fbis-mueller-delivered-highly-enriched-stolen-uranium-russia-2009/
Here you are. I'm gonna have a beer.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
This literally refutes nothing.
1 subterranean_agent 2017-08-11
Not my list. I make more than minimum though. I was under the impression SB paid minimum and even outsourced their employees, but the coherent and understandable English language makes me question the latter.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Again your personal attacks speak volumes.
Another economically frustrated trump supporter.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
Says the guy who has yet to respond to a single one of my points... except for one response in which all you did was launch a personal attack...
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Can't really argue when none have been presented.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
I really hope you get paid for this. If not, then I just feel sorry for you. This kind of interaction with other people on a daily basis, even virtually, can't be good for your mind.
Try getting outside more. Explore the world. Have fun. Because what you do now seems to be making you a very negative and person.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Still no facts right?
thought so
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
Still not a Trump supporter... you can repeat it all you want, and it won't make it any less true.
Is your algorithm malfunctioning or something?
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
Well respected by anyone who's not paying attention, maybe.
I've read every scrap of "evidence" produced on the matter, and as I said above, it's STILL all speculative and not conclusive proof of anything.
What's QUITE pathetic, is people like you, who come here to do exactly what you're doing; derail the conversation and be complete dickhead to anyone that you disagree with.
If no one's paying you, and you're not a bot, then I really feel sorry for you. Do you truly have nothing better to do with your life than sit on reddit just to shout about how your side is better, your more right, other people are stupid, and shit on Trump? Because that's a pretty sad existence. You could at least TRY to have some form of productive conversation.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Where are all these facts you said you had. All i see is you running around on different comments of mine trying to get attention like a pathetic retard.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
Let me ask you this. Do you personally have enough faith and trust in the intelligence agencies to be looking out for your best interest? Do you really think that they classify things to "protect national security"?
So maybe there's 5 people in Congress that aren't in on the scam?
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Delusion
Do you mean to protect the ongoing case? It's not closed now is it?
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
It's called a theory, not a delusion, hence the question mark. The only delusion would be thinking that we actually know what's really going on.
And I'm not sure what you mean by that second part. I'm referring to any government agency, about any topic, during the time of any administration.
Please stop trying to frame me as a Trump supporter.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Which you clearly don't hence the delusion. You prop things you don't like to hear as fake news and try to devalue the source in some way.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
I seriously thought we were passed this. Are people really still trying to push this narrative?? Unbelievable.
It's been almost a year, and the BEST evidence they have for it is still incredibly shaky and essentially speculative. Any hacker knows how to not only cover their trail, but also leave false trails to other people/countries/organizations. So the fact that this is the only evidence that they are relying on for all of this, seems very much like the tension is 100% a creation of the US.
Ever consider that he shit talks everyone in Washington because they are all compromised by the same people that Putin has been battling for the last decade? I mean, I'm in no way saying this is right/true/provable/etc., all I'm saying is it's an interesting theory that would make a lot of sense.
Trump didn't put sanctions on Russia, Congress did, and then strong-armed him to sign it. That doesn't seem at all suspicious to you?
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Trump didn't put sanctions on Russia, Congress did, and then strong-armed him to sign it. That doesn't seem at all suspicious to you?
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
Where at all is the delusion?
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Jesus how fucking butthurt are you? Seriously
Stepped away from the computer for a little and all of a sudden I don't have answers.
You literally didn't present any facts, just made up stuff based on feelings.
You're running on fumes with excuses trying to pass of sanctions on russia as a "Nothing"
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
No you didn't. You were responding to other users for 20 minutes in multiple other posts.
And go figure, did you defend your position? NOPE. What did you do? Turn this back around on me saying "you just made stuff up based on feelings".
My theory was pretty basic based off of the story being reported everywhere. Yet you say I'm "delusional" without providing anything to support it.
Once again, this is out of a fucking playbook. There's no way in hell anyone who's ever read anything I've written on here that this even REMOTELY applies to me.
Absolutely unbelievable.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
No its not. You have no theory.
Your theory is based on feels. Im talking about literal sanctions put forth by our government.
But all of a sudden the whole government is in on it.
Again delusion.
None of this has any sense to it. You're just saying you dont trust certain things so its not true. Thats not how the real world works.
Trumps fucked, im really sorry to tell you that.
You really need to get a grip
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
This is exactly what it looks like to me. CNN did nothing but brag nonstop about how much "overwhelming bipartisan support" those sanctions had. All just so they can keep beating that war drum.
1 TJG01 2017-08-11
Trump is actually making putin seem powerless when he says stuff like that
1 HBombthrow 2017-08-11
That doesn't make any sense. Our personnel are gone, we now have a materially worse ability to keep tabs on political and intelligence developments in Russia. If I steal your lunch, and you say "Haha that sandwich sucked anyway," it doesn't make me seem powerless, I have your lunch now.
1 br0wnb3rry 2017-08-11
What personal are gone? You have your facts wrong... they're using smoking mirrors on you. No one was actually kicked out of Russia we have less U.S. diplomats than the number they said they brought it down to
1 quads1 2017-08-11
Source?
1 br0wnb3rry 2017-08-11
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40780841
"Of the 1,279 people who worked at the embassy in 2013, according to a 2013 inspector general report, 934 were locally hired."
So we have 345 US Citizens working there the other 934 would just be jobs lost to Russian citizens....
everything in the news is spun how they want you to read it but the truth is always twisted to one side....
1 HBombthrow 2017-08-11
"Personnel"
"Smoke and mirrors"
1 br0wnb3rry 2017-08-11
if only you could just edit what people posted and clean everything up for them
1 YoureAllRobots 2017-08-11
The proper response is laughter because it is theater and people still believe it.
1 br0wnb3rry 2017-08-11
Bingo.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
Love it. Same advice should be applied to this whole North Korea thing too.
1 br0wnb3rry 2017-08-11
He brought us diplomats down to the level which we allow here. Also that level is higher than the amount of diplomats we currently have there it's all just bullshit fluff. Keep you debating over stupid topics while the politicians uses your tax dollars to bankroll big corporations that support them
1 Tecumsehs_Revenge 2017-08-11
The tweet could be read as, Trump thanks Putin, for loss of American jobs.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Umm the tension is on Russia, you know for hacking and influencing the election.
Trump folded like a bitch and said THANK YOU DADDY to putin. He shit talks anyone and everyone but Daddy Putin
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-08-11
This is exactly what it looks like to me. CNN did nothing but brag nonstop about how much "overwhelming bipartisan support" those sanctions had. All just so they can keep beating that war drum.
1 DC25NYC 2017-08-11
Still no facts right?
thought so