Just curious, do you think that all of the vehicular attacks of the past year were simply ISIS members driving into crowds of people, as we were told by the MSM?
You believe everything is fake. Lol. Nothing productive comes from conversations with people who believe in absolutes. You think every car attack has been faked, despite the hundreds, if not thousands of live witnesses there. Lol. You wouldn't believe it if you were the one hit by the car. You'd probably think "Was I a paid stuntman and forgot I was supposed to be here? Did they just hit me with a CGI car?"
There's a difference between believing "everything is fake" and calling into question the extraordinary claims made by MSM outlets whom we know lie to us and whom we know to be infested with intelligence agents.
As for that photo, there are several questions one could raise about it, but only now for the first time I've noticed that of course there are many shoes on the ground, a classic sign of Masonic rituals that is present at all of the aforementioned fake car attacks. As if you get hit by a car and your sneakers just fly off.
THEY WERE HIT BY A CAR GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR. Do you think everyone laces up their shoes everyday preparing to be hit by a car? Lmao. What the fuck is fake about these people ragdolling through the air?:https://twitter.com/youngdems4trump/status/896537627272163328
Someone commented here last night that they thought it was strange as well. Until they got a job in EMS and realized that it was quite common for shoes to fly off when hit by a car. If you google, you'll see this question has been asked for years - with rational explanations.
I think that's much more likely than Freemasons carrying a bag of shoes around to sprinkle at the scene in some kind of ritual, no?
If I'm being honest then the likeliest of all scenarios is that the commenter you reference is simply here to voice the ubiquitous sentiment of "nah it's totally normal, nothing to see here."
You don't have to be in EMS to know that shoes don't just jump off your feet and reappear neatly lying next to your head.
Heavy handed modding is surely a bad thing. The shills have to be defeated by exposing their arguements for what they really are which is defense for the cabal.
For example, I might post Bush Jr is crap and a shill will say "Show me 1 sliver of evidence showing Bush Jr is a bad guy" knowing that smoking gun proof is hard to come by. A good response to this is "You seem to be very defensive of the Bush family. Do you have a stake in the family?"
This strategy unmasks the shill on the spot because they usually come back with a weak arguement or they simply don't respond plus, being that it's a public post, everyone else gets to see it and identify the shill as well.
I don't need to prove that to you. I have proven it to myself through personal experience. It's honestly not very hard to do. It's like riding a bike. Once you know the ropes, it's pretty easy from there.
It's all about getting the evidence together. For example, it is best to start by looking at the age of the account. Shill accounts are typically every new. They also defend the deep state at all costs and try to debunk the OPs conspiracy posts at every turn. There's a lot to it but those are a few examples of it works.
There's no proof that shills exists on an anonymous platform where anyone can create any amount of accounts as they wish without verification.
You're asking for proof that can only be administered by the admins of this entire site.
We can however, look at circumstantial evidence surrounding the issue such as McDonalds Threads with "bmac" in the image file getting upvoted to the front page, and the addictive nature of Elgin air force base has with reddit etc etc.
There are countless other examples, but I fear your point is to merely engage in endless argument instead of accepting others opinions as anything other than invalid.
For example, I might post Bush Jr is crap and a shill will say "Show me 1 sliver of evidence showing Bush Jr is a bad guy" knowing that smoking gun proof is hard to come by. A good response to this is "You seem to be very defensive of the Bush family. Do you have a stake in the family?"
Personally, I think this is a bad way to handle that type of question. All that does is try to discredit someone who is asking a question any good theory is supposed to answer anyway. It instantly ends any kind of deliberative discourse on the subject and just turns into you trying to label them as shills. It undermines academic honesty.
Even if they were shills, you should still be able to address their questions. If your theory can't hold up to even modest scrutiny it's probably not a good theory to begin with.
I would prefer people stick to ideas and not try to assign labels. Trying to discredit your opponent without addressing their point reeks really badly of disinformation tactics. This sub should be above that.
To grow a fucking spine and act like they know what happened in this sub last August/Sept/October when any active user could obviously tell what was up.
The Mods are obviously in on it or they aren't interested in protecting the subs integrity.
The mods know, and I don't think they're in on it. I've read leaked modmail, I've seen their behavior over the years, they are for the most part good mods. I think they're just still trying to figure out how to deal with it all.
Yeah and it's really frustrating that one can't even name the users who constantly attack any conspiracy discussion, and arrive predictably to similarly themed thereads simply to derail, annoy, and obfuscate.
I like debating conspiracy theories and asking people for evidence regarding what they believe. I think it's a necessary function for a conspiracy theory to withstand basic empirical skepticism.
When you stop using critical thinking skills just because you want to believe something, you're no better than the enemies you perceive.
When you go to his page you can see it. He boldes the letters r o c k r a n. Insinuating that he believes /u/rockran is a shill in a super duper creative way.
You can't be talking about the "false-flag" nazi because it's very suspicious that there are a lot of users here trying to push that as hard as possible.
It's getting real tiring to reply to all the ones feigning stupidity about shilling...
The sub is under constant attack from /r/politics (check where all the douchebags are most active, you will find they are from there), ShareBlue and brigading from places like /r/topmindsofreddit. A large amount of their posts are currently linking over to here now.
There is a lot of info on the astroturfing organizations Correct the Record, ShareBlue and Media Matters. Their official mission statements that are publicly available state their intent to use propaganda for the DNC on the web and on social media such as Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. This implies the use of social community opinion management software and other tools.
There is no doubt that individual social media users can spread hate speech, troll other users, or set up automated political communication campaigns. Unfortunately, this is also an organized phenomenon, with major governments and political parties dedicating significant resources towards the use of social media for public opinion manipulation.
... In many countries, political actors have no reported ability to field social media campaigns. In some countries, one or two known political actors occasionally use social media for political messaging, and in a few other countries there are multiple government agencies, political parties, or civil society groups organizing trolling and fake news campaigns.
"Whether it is from this video or not, if you truly think we went to the Moon then you look like an uneducated asshole to the rest of us so how about get a clue before you start throwing blanket insults."
this subs reliably disgusting response to every major tragedy attracts the negative attention of the rest of the community. the reason the sub is getting pushback right now is because the people who would otherwise ignore the denial of reality that fuels this place are repellent to most people.
Just curious, do you think that all of the vehicular attacks of the past year were simply ISIS members driving into crowds of people, as we were told by the MSM?
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1 davidickewasright 2017-08-13
Champagne on me
1 I_Am_Teach 2017-08-13
Hey, am I a shill for thinking the Charlottesville thing was simply a racist driving into a crowd of people? Just want to see if I pass your test.
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
Just curious, do you think that all of the vehicular attacks of the past year were simply ISIS members driving into crowds of people, as we were told by the MSM?
1 Chuck_Rogers 2017-08-13
And, you know, law enforcement too.
I fail to see what your question has to do with Charlottesville. Why connect the events when that's not the question?
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
Law enforcement always tells the truth? Don't tell me you think Sandy Hook was a real shooting?...
1 Chuck_Rogers 2017-08-13
I'll post again because it doesn't seem like you can stay focused.
We're not talking about Sandy Hook, and never did I say that law enforcement always tell the truth.
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
Why is one evidence of the other?
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
Asking again since you don't answer this question: which conspiracy theories interest you?
1 Chuck_Rogers 2017-08-13
Why do you care about this instead of answering the original question?
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
Every theory I comment on interests me.
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
But you don't actually think the government or media has ever lied about any event?
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
Says who?
1 I_Am_Teach 2017-08-13
I've also seen you posting over the last day. Nothing productive is going to come from a conversation with you.
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
It certainly wouldn't be good for your self-image.
1 I_Am_Teach 2017-08-13
You believe everything is fake. Lol. Nothing productive comes from conversations with people who believe in absolutes. You think every car attack has been faked, despite the hundreds, if not thousands of live witnesses there. Lol. You wouldn't believe it if you were the one hit by the car. You'd probably think "Was I a paid stuntman and forgot I was supposed to be here? Did they just hit me with a CGI car?"
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
There's a difference between believing "everything is fake" and calling into question the extraordinary claims made by MSM outlets whom we know lie to us and whom we know to be infested with intelligence agents.
As for that photo, there are several questions one could raise about it, but only now for the first time I've noticed that of course there are many shoes on the ground, a classic sign of Masonic rituals that is present at all of the aforementioned fake car attacks. As if you get hit by a car and your sneakers just fly off.
1 I_Am_Teach 2017-08-13
THEY WERE HIT BY A CAR GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR. Do you think everyone laces up their shoes everyday preparing to be hit by a car? Lmao. What the fuck is fake about these people ragdolling through the air?:https://twitter.com/youngdems4trump/status/896537627272163328
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
What is fake about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aytABKjp0W4
And of course the Times Square car hoax, the footage of which was more graphic than this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK9pSZvpQOw
1 I_Am_Teach 2017-08-13
Oh my god you're going with the "they're all stuntmen" act. I'm out.
1 KarmicEnigma 2017-08-13
Wait, so I'm clear... do you think Freemasons came and sprinkled shoes on the scene as part of some ritual?
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
Missing shoes or people with one shoe off neatly lying next to them have been common in recent terror/car attacks.
1 KarmicEnigma 2017-08-13
Someone commented here last night that they thought it was strange as well. Until they got a job in EMS and realized that it was quite common for shoes to fly off when hit by a car. If you google, you'll see this question has been asked for years - with rational explanations.
I think that's much more likely than Freemasons carrying a bag of shoes around to sprinkle at the scene in some kind of ritual, no?
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
If I'm being honest then the likeliest of all scenarios is that the commenter you reference is simply here to voice the ubiquitous sentiment of "nah it's totally normal, nothing to see here."
You don't have to be in EMS to know that shoes don't just jump off your feet and reappear neatly lying next to your head.
1 KarmicEnigma 2017-08-13
Did you bother to google the phenomenon? Again, this isn't a new thing, nor is it only happening at scenes that would be considered a "false flag".
But hey, if it seems more likely that Freemasons are sprinkling shoes, keep on keeping on.
1 tedsmitts 2017-08-13
Shills! Shills! There's no possibility someone disagrees with me, it's George Soros!
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
oh ok, later guys
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2017-08-13
What do you want the mods to do?
They over mod and get backlash, they undermod and get backlash...
1 patience-yago 2017-08-13
This!!! I hate the heavy handed mods. And there are many. This sub has very good mods. Try being a mod here for even a day. I wouldnt wanna do it.
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2017-08-13
And the fact that we have fucking shills (well I believe it anyways) and that we get brigaded is a fuckiing achievement unlocked.
We should be proud of ourselves for finally getting on our enemies radar.
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-08-13
Heavy handed modding is surely a bad thing. The shills have to be defeated by exposing their arguements for what they really are which is defense for the cabal.
For example, I might post Bush Jr is crap and a shill will say "Show me 1 sliver of evidence showing Bush Jr is a bad guy" knowing that smoking gun proof is hard to come by. A good response to this is "You seem to be very defensive of the Bush family. Do you have a stake in the family?"
This strategy unmasks the shill on the spot because they usually come back with a weak arguement or they simply don't respond plus, being that it's a public post, everyone else gets to see it and identify the shill as well.
1 Chuck_Rogers 2017-08-13
So you not being able to back up your claims means anyone who asks you to is a shill?
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-08-13
Not exactly. I depend on the smell test. I can sniff shills out pretty accurately. They have a certain vibe to them.
1 Chuck_Rogers 2017-08-13
You're familiar with the concept of accuracy, right?
You think you're right but where is the actual proof that your smell test works?
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-08-13
I don't need to prove that to you. I have proven it to myself through personal experience. It's honestly not very hard to do. It's like riding a bike. Once you know the ropes, it's pretty easy from there.
1 Chuck_Rogers 2017-08-13
Prove it to everyone reading then.
SO you think someone is a shill, and you think your smell test is pretty accurate.
What is it that confirms you were right?
Is it anything other than your own assumption?
Can you explain it at all.
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-08-13
It's all about getting the evidence together. For example, it is best to start by looking at the age of the account. Shill accounts are typically every new. They also defend the deep state at all costs and try to debunk the OPs conspiracy posts at every turn. There's a lot to it but those are a few examples of it works.
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
So you think someone is a shill if their account is newer than yours, and if they disagree with you personally?
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2017-08-13
There's no proof that shills exists on an anonymous platform where anyone can create any amount of accounts as they wish without verification.
You're asking for proof that can only be administered by the admins of this entire site.
We can however, look at circumstantial evidence surrounding the issue such as McDonalds Threads with "bmac" in the image file getting upvoted to the front page, and the addictive nature of Elgin air force base has with reddit etc etc.
There are countless other examples, but I fear your point is to merely engage in endless argument instead of accepting others opinions as anything other than invalid.
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
So basically if you think someone is a shill, they are one. Super!
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2017-08-13
Like I said, endless argument.
1 porkpoppet 2017-08-13
Yes. They do have a very specific vibe to them.
Like the 2012 remixes you support
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-08-13
Which 2012 remix might that be?
1 porkpoppet 2017-08-13
I can't link what you delete.
1 BravidDock 2017-08-13
Personally, I think this is a bad way to handle that type of question. All that does is try to discredit someone who is asking a question any good theory is supposed to answer anyway. It instantly ends any kind of deliberative discourse on the subject and just turns into you trying to label them as shills. It undermines academic honesty.
Even if they were shills, you should still be able to address their questions. If your theory can't hold up to even modest scrutiny it's probably not a good theory to begin with.
I would prefer people stick to ideas and not try to assign labels. Trying to discredit your opponent without addressing their point reeks really badly of disinformation tactics. This sub should be above that.
1 loserofpasswordzz 2017-08-13
To grow a fucking spine and act like they know what happened in this sub last August/Sept/October when any active user could obviously tell what was up.
The Mods are obviously in on it or they aren't interested in protecting the subs integrity.
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2017-08-13
The mods know, and I don't think they're in on it. I've read leaked modmail, I've seen their behavior over the years, they are for the most part good mods. I think they're just still trying to figure out how to deal with it all.
1 loserofpasswordzz 2017-08-13
I can think of a few that I'd like to see go tbh
I can also think a few I have gotten along with very well
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2017-08-13
We all do.
1 Amos_Quito 2017-08-13
In on what? [DELETED]
We're running a bit behind dealing with all the shit today - like RULE 10 violations and such.
I'm sure you understand, right?
1 loserofpasswordzz 2017-08-13
Right, right no problem
*i should clarify I meant some mods btw not all. Surely you understand that as well, being a mod n all
1 patience-yago 2017-08-13
I love this sub. The mods have been fair to me. Unsure what youre mad about. Im a jew and many posts here are against jews but im not upset by it.
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
Yeah and it's really frustrating that one can't even name the users who constantly attack any conspiracy discussion, and arrive predictably to similarly themed thereads simply to derail, annoy, and obfuscate.
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
I like when people like you disagree with me so I can show them to be inept dunces or shills. I didn't say anything about censorship.
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
It must be fun in that fantasy world.
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
What's your favorite conspiracy theory?
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
You ask like they're collectibles like comic books or baseball cards.
1 loserofpasswordzz 2017-08-13
What do you believe? What is your desire for being here?
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
I like debating conspiracy theories and asking people for evidence regarding what they believe. I think it's a necessary function for a conspiracy theory to withstand basic empirical skepticism.
When you stop using critical thinking skills just because you want to believe something, you're no better than the enemies you perceive.
1 loserofpasswordzz 2017-08-13
so you're just here to argue. Mods?
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
Huh? I mean does debate have no value to you? What are you here for if not to discuss the merits and evidence of different conspiracy theories?
1 loserofpasswordzz 2017-08-13
Critical questions... like why are you in every thread arguing with people yet you still haven't made any effort to understand their posistion.
Debate is great, but you aren't debating to have a winning "idea". You are just debating to see that everyone else's idea "loses" the debate
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
Asking questions IS trying to understand a position. How do you learn things without asking questions?
1 loserofpasswordzz 2017-08-13
I think you are intellectually dishonest and I am not interested in arguing with you anymore. Have a good one.
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
Oh, ok later lol.
1 Mecanatron 2017-08-13
I see what you did there....
1 ClassicFives 2017-08-13
When I went to the source link it was removed, what had he bolded? It's gone now.
1 I_Am_Teach 2017-08-13
When you go to his page you can see it. He boldes the letters r o c k r a n. Insinuating that he believes /u/rockran is a shill in a super duper creative way.
1 Mecanatron 2017-08-13
He had a certain name name encoded in his text. Didnt appear to break any rules, i dunno why it was removed?
1 ClassicFives 2017-08-13
He was clearly calling someone a shill, I just didn't catch who.
1 Mecanatron 2017-08-13
yup he was.. but without actually saying it. Is that against the rules?
1 ClassicFives 2017-08-13
It wasn't that clever, and it was a way to bypass rule 10.
1 PM_ME_CUTE_PUPPYS 2017-08-13
Am I a shill for asking serious questions in a moon hoax video thread? You made 3 comments decrying me then ignored a very thought-out response.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6t4xd3/moon_hoax_do_you_still_think_we_went_watch_for_25/dlib5vl
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
I mean, you're trying to argue with a flat earther.
1 PM_ME_CUTE_PUPPYS 2017-08-13
Eh, I've changed a few minds before and vice versa. You're a literal Nazi, but I've responded to your comments anyways.
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
That's not very nice of you.
1 PM_ME_CUTE_PUPPYS 2017-08-13
Maybe I missed the satire in one of your recent comments?
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
Yeah, that was a joke.
1 PM_ME_CUTE_PUPPYS 2017-08-13
Sorry, I talked to an actual /r/conspiracy Nazi the other day and confused you two as well. You seem like a good guy.
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
aaayyy, no worries lol
1 BernieBalloonHair 2017-08-13
Might be sarcasm
1 BernieBalloonHair 2017-08-13
Might be sarcasm
1 SmutChancellor 2017-08-13
You must be new here.
1 Lord__Buckethead 2017-08-13
What credible thing are they trying to discredit?
You can't be talking about the "false-flag" nazi because it's very suspicious that there are a lot of users here trying to push that as hard as possible.
1 The_Veracity_Sector 2017-08-13
Spot on OP. However it seems to me the mods hands are kind of tied. Not much they can do about this specific situation.
1 Ninjakick666 2017-08-13
Thats as wrap on Osama
1 Ninjakick666 2017-08-13
Thats a wrap on Osama
1 ConspiracyAccount 2017-08-13
I'll say the same thing I do in every thread like this which seems to pop up at least once a day: boohoo.
If you don't like what you see, post the shit you like.
1 BurninEpix 2017-08-13
I do. And then the brigade starts like it does on anything that is actual truth.
1 ConspiracyAccount 2017-08-13
Like what topics?
1 BurninEpix 2017-08-13
Surely not the ones your gonna approve of.
1 ConspiracyAccount 2017-08-13
Wtf. If you want to be a baby about it, go right ahead. To me it sounds like you're scared more than anything else.
1 Shemus_Beasken 2017-08-13
Relevant
1 Supermonsters 2017-08-13
Calm down. Big cultural events cause people to come check out other voices.
For god sakes this is the second QQ post today. Get over it
1 purple_pink 2017-08-13
Boy, bye.
1 fr0ng 2017-08-13
Anyone who uses the word 'shill' is an auto fucktard in my book.
1 Ignix 2017-08-13
It's getting real tiring to reply to all the ones feigning stupidity about shilling...
The sub is under constant attack from /r/politics (check where all the douchebags are most active, you will find they are from there), ShareBlue and brigading from places like /r/topmindsofreddit. A large amount of their posts are currently linking over to here now.
There is a lot of info on the astroturfing organizations Correct the Record, ShareBlue and Media Matters. Their official mission statements that are publicly available state their intent to use propaganda for the DNC on the web and on social media such as Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. This implies the use of social community opinion management software and other tools.
Task force will help Clinton supporters push back on online harassment and thank superdelegates
Hillary Clinton PAC Spends $1 Million "Correcting" People Online And Reddit Is Furious
Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook
Podesta meets with super PACS (Priorities USA and CTR) at law firm (Perkins Coie LLP.)
Astroturf and manipulation of media messages | Sharyl Attkisson | TEDxUniversityofNevada
For further reading I would suggest these links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
How reddit is being manipulated
Reddit For Sale: How We Bought The Top Spot For $200
Reddit is Being Manipulated by Professional Shills Every Day
Guy makes short video where he explains that he has bought upvotes for his submission on /r/videos, submission has 20k+ upvotes before moderators deletes it to hide the incident
HOW THEY MAKE FAKE NEWS AND MANIPULATE REDDIT
How We Hacked Reddit to Generate 5 Million Media Impressions in 3 days
An Oxford research paper on astroturfing:
Troops, Trolls and Troublemakers: A Global Inventory of Organized Social Media Manipulation
From this Oxford research paper on astroturfing:
Astroturfing Information Megathread- revision 8
I posted this in another thread about /r/MarchAgainstTrump but it fits /r/politics too, I'll recap
/r/MarchAgainstTrump uses bots to push posts and submissions as evidenced in these links.
More people need to be informed of these kinds of organizations.
These are a few examples:
Now, several more botting anti-Trump subs have surfaced with nothing being done about them from the admins.
1 mylefthandkilledme 2017-08-13
"Whether it is from this video or not, if you truly think we went to the Moon then you look like an uneducated asshole to the rest of us so how about get a clue before you start throwing blanket insults."
BAHAHAHHAHAHHAA
1 analest-analyst 2017-08-13
Reality had a way of surrounding us, always,
1 SixVISix 2017-08-13
You're a fairly new account coming along telling us were done. Sure thing.
1 sfjdfkw 2017-08-13
this subs reliably disgusting response to every major tragedy attracts the negative attention of the rest of the community. the reason the sub is getting pushback right now is because the people who would otherwise ignore the denial of reality that fuels this place are repellent to most people.
1 BurninEpix 2017-08-13
And this thread has proved my point. Look at this fucking mess. Time to put this dumpster fire to bed.
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-08-13
Just curious, do you think that all of the vehicular attacks of the past year were simply ISIS members driving into crowds of people, as we were told by the MSM?
1 regular_poster 2017-08-13
1 Mecanatron 2017-08-13
I see what you did there....
1 loserofpasswordzz 2017-08-13
What do you believe? What is your desire for being here?
1 ClassicFives 2017-08-13
He was clearly calling someone a shill, I just didn't catch who.