Help me understand this....
16 2017-08-16 by LV_Cinnabear
Let me preface this with the fact that I'm genuinely curious, and want to hear what people think. I'm not looking for name calling or fighting, just really want some kind of rational explanation here. Because I'm really depressed by whats happening in our country, a country I love and have sacrificed for. We teach our kids to be good, play nice, be honest, be fair, to treat others how we'd want to be treated, generally do the right thing.....and this is the example we set....marches, rioting, vandalizing....its disgraceful, and as the President said, there is plenty of blame to go around (and I rarely agree with President Trump).
A white man with mental issues drives his car into a crowd of protestors in Virginia, and every media outlet is going on and on about domestic terrorism.....and the media is all about white supremacist being the devil, and a terrorist organization, etc.
But looking back at the ambush killings of cops in Dallas and other places....not a single mention of terrorism. Also, while I don't endorse or agree with the KKK and other white supremacist groups...how does BLM, ANTIFA, BAMN, and minority groups that blatantly incite violence get a pass?
It just seems like the media is doing everything they can to divide us at every opportunity.
75 comments
1 PM_ME_CUTE_PUPPYS 2017-08-16
I live in Dallas and we all use the word terrorism to describe what happened. I was lucky enough to be out of the country at that time, but the Mainstream Media seemed to report it as terrorism as well
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
I actually just googled it, and none of the MSM outlets used the word "terrorism" once that I saw, not for Dallas or any of the other police ambushes.
Yet all day today all I've heard about is the domestic terrorism in Virginia, and now the KKK is being called a terrorist organization in Illinois...which is baffling to me. These white supremacist groups gather, talk, and generally look like stereotypical idiots, but you dont see them looting, burning buildings, etc like the groups I mentioned above.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
Ok, the article you linked is an opinion piece.....I didnt see that, but I dont consider opinion pieces as "news".
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
Ah, so the Virginia guy was mentally ill.
But the PTSD ridden ex-military was not.
LOL people will try to fit a square peg into a round hole to push their agenda.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
Can you elaborate? I'm not making excuses for either....whether a guy had PTSD or a guy was kicked out of basic for mental issues doesnt justify either's actions. I suffer from PTSD and the only person I've considered hurting is myself.
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
The army vet (who I refuse to name due to his evil actions) shouldn't get a pass, but to wave one's hand at what the kid did rhis weekend because "the other side" doesn't get called out is bullshit.
Also, how do you know dude had a mental illness?
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
WTF are you talking about? Did you even try to read what I wrote?
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
Did you not claim the neo-nazi has mental issues?
Did you not try to group the guy who shot officers in Dallas with BLM and Antifa (who he denounced because they didn't go far enough)
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
I've twice posted articles from news sources that said this kid had mental issues, not sure what else I can say....reading comprehension doesnt seem to be your strong suit, and I'm not really into drawing out diagrams for you. I also 100% did not say that guy was ANTIFA or BLM, I asked why the KKK gets cracked down on so hard and fast while those groups seem to get a bye..
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
Those are NOT in the OP. I'm not reading every side convo you have to find what YOU have to prove.
Because the KKK since the 1860's killed people and done so with little to no repercussions.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
Too many accounts to keep track of?
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
What are you rambling about now? Gonna stalk me all night? Sweet. r/drama is down, I could use a fix till it's back up.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
You dug your hole. Feliz Navidad.
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
I'm so scared Puty-Pie, hold me.
I'm so scared of someone who can't do anything to me.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
Your 5 year account is looking purrrdy :)
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
So you're making threats about stealing my account?
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
Nope. You're digging your own grave and proving yourself and what you are with your own words. I'm just archiving, and commenting.
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
Archive away
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
I am? Don't need your permission....
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
Good for you.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
:)
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
not gonna bother reading whats written, but you have no problem trolling other users and following them around....got it.
You are literally the poster child of whats wrong with Reddit. I am genuinely interested in peoples opinions, and am enjoying multiple opinions and conversations....and you are just going around being a giant shitbag...awesome.
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
I haven't said one offensive thing. Replying to you is not following you.
I'm quoting you and you're mad about it. lol
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
You stalk people.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
If only you could read as well as you troll.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
All you do here is post bullshit. You're bias as all hell, yet claim others are. You Should create a new account named: "DirtySanchez". That is more fitting.
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
Which MSM narratives?
I don't believe in the Russian hacking.
If disproving bullshit is being partisan, then both sides must hate me because I do it to both.
Are you on the sauce again buddy? Gonna give it another go at getting banned for being toxic again?
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
You walk around smelling shit, yet fail to realize that maybe it's your top lip ;)
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
Grade school insults when you can't prove your point. Love it.
Again to quote you: "Evidence".
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
You're pretty evident here. Don't worry, people have been noticing ;) Enjoy.
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
Says the guy with the alt accounts who whenever we get into a convo starts manipulating the votes to bury the convos.
I could care less who you have as friends on the mod team.
You are a cancer on this sub.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
You've just committed multiple no, nos... :(
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
You ain't gonna do shit.
Gonna cry to have me banned cus I've exposed you multiple times already?
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you are talking about. You are just attacking me: https://web.archive.org/web/20170816063027/https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6u038h/help_me_understand_this/dlox1f7/. Sad.
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
Should I bring up u/jesuits_hate_spiders
Or how anytime someone has a convo with you within 15 seconds they gather multiple downvotes?
Or the racist shit you post
Or the homophobic shit you post
Or the toxic shit you post
Or how you got so butt hurt you didn't get a mod position that you've made it a point to be extra cancerous.
Even the mods are sick of your shit.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
Sure, you have no evidence for anything, though. Just attacks. I'm archiving it all, though: https://web.archive.org/web/20170816063924/https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6u038h/help_me_understand_this/dloxco2/?context=3 :). Keep it coming. You're being very naughty. I've learned to not be naughty.
1 OmNomDeBonBon 2017-08-16
If he's older than 13, I'd be amazed.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
WTF are you talking about?
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
Because it's all bullshit, concocted by the media. However, people are getting sick and tired of the regressive left. They are the one's wanting to pull us back into the 1950's because they are pathetic worthless pieces of shit. They are delusional fucktards who think they are actually persecuted in a first world country, because people will not accept their psychosis. The pendulum always swings hard left to right. You lefty fucktards should know, you are picking a fight you cannot win. It's by design, but human nature is human nature... The media is also fomenting this.
1 _spacedtime 2017-08-16
Now now, where did the antifa touch you? :]
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
Ask the dude who antifa strikes in the head with a bike chain. Can I hit you in the head with a bike chain? Is that cool?
1 Goddaqs 2017-08-16
What about the neo-nazi that killed a woman and injured 20 others with this car. Can I hit you with a car? Is THAT cool?
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
Are you hitting my car with a baseball bat?
1 cjluthy 2017-08-16
Did you miss the memo that Left vs Right is a meme intended to divide us against TPTB?
1 OmNomDeBonBon 2017-08-16
lol, you just described the far-right
lol, you just described the far-right
lol, you just described the far-right media (Brietbart, ZeroHedge, DailyStormer, etc.)
Your post is literally the most pathetic thing I've ever seen on Reddit. Jesus Christ, if you're like this as a 13-year-old how far are you going to regress by the time you're old enough to vote?
1 DerkDerkinson 2017-08-16
Good post. This is the heart of the matter which the shills are trying to distract from. Look at how the media is using this incident to push an agenda.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
Man, thank you guys/gals for contributing. I am sitting here really bummed out by everything, and am honestly confused by all the hate. I posted something today about how we are at "terminal outrage"....I've really noticed this in public the last week or so, people are just so edgey and looking to be pissed off at any little thing.
1 commiefishcrotch 2017-08-16
Always remember that the media is owned by only 6 huge corporations. Those huge corporations are headed by people with agendas. Those agendas often aren't that clear, but in hindsight and in a broader perspective, their motives are clear. Reporters don't report, they read whatever is handed to them.
People just can't believe that manipulation happens, but it's commonplace. Turn off your TV.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
Yeah, I was just having this conversation with a friend today. There was an article blasting medical MJ. Saying there was little to no proof that it helps with chronic pain, PTSD, or depression. The story says their study looked at 27 different studies to come to their conclusion. I told my friend that our country and media is bought and paid for.
1 commiefishcrotch 2017-08-16
Until big ag and big pharma get in on the action, we can all expect that vilification. I was recently surprised though that some older christians I know were interested in cannabis products though. These are the types that would have never dreamed of buying something 5 years ago, and yet here they were, buying CBD gummies when we were last with them. I couldn't believe it.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
I was reading something about Monsanto....holy hell that company is the devil. Its terrifying to realize how much power they have and what they can do.
1 commiefishcrotch 2017-08-16
And an unholy alliance is about to happen with Bayer.
1 DoEyeNoU 2017-08-16
Every day I'm amazed to learn of a user whom I would have never suspected; usually older professionals with families with stellar reputations in the community. The more the media talks about it (good or bad), the more people are trying it and discovering the benefits of that glorious plant versus their chemically created pharmaceuticals.
The war is lost on cannabis. We know it, they know it. What they're doing now is designed to hold off further legalization until Big Pharma and our government can figure out how to gain control of it.
1 metronNYC 2017-08-16
You're making excuses for neonazis? Source that he had mental issues?
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
A guy kicked out of basic training after two months....a guy that drives his car into a crowd of people doesnt have mental issues? And where the fuck did I make excuses for him. Hey I'm all for discussion, and want to hear different opinions, but dont go there man
1 metronNYC 2017-08-16
You're all ready disregarding the fact that he was a neo-nazi that attended a rally with hundreds of other neonazis that were ready to harm people. The Austin shooter wasn't even a BLM member, and antifa wasn't even at the rally. It was townfolks with a permit counter protesting the Nazis. The statue was going to be legally removed by the city. So all I see is someone making excuses for neonazis, employing the tried and true Russian technique of whataboutism.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40923489
Honestly, Please show me where these white supremacists were ready to hurt people. They were protesting when attacked by counter protestors....like what happened in Sacramento last year. Remember that lady getting in front of the camera talking about "Any Means Necessary"? (She was a damned school teacher at that).
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
Oh, and I love that you jump to a conclusion...they were ready to hurt someone!....and then go on to use your "whataboutism".
Again, I've been pretty clear that I dont agree with their stance, or the protestors in general, I'm just confused by the media handling of everything
1 metronNYC 2017-08-16
Look for the videos of the rally. You seem so.sure on the matter but it looks like you haven't even down your research. Vice.com has interviews with the neonazis that attended and they said they were ready to kill people. Again, you're just hand waving neo Nazis. You honestly wondering neonazis, people that want a white ethno state are willing to hurt people. It's cool if you're more comfortable with nazis than you are with transgenders, every one is different.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
Dude...literally WTF?
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40923489
1 OmNomDeBonBon 2017-08-16
You sound like a Muslim after the Paris car attacks, claiming the guy was "just mentally ill" and not a terrorist.
Shouldn't be surprised - far-right Americans and far-right Muslims are 90% similar in outlook.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
You're a fucking idiot...where does that put you?
I'm neither far right, far left, or muslim....Also, it takes about two minutes using the Google to confirm this guy had issues.....sorry that doesnt fit your narrative.
1 CelineHagbard 2017-08-16
Removed. Rule 4.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
Oh nevermind, just looked at your posting history....
Evidently everyone that doesnt agree with you 100% is 13 and a far right piece of shit. I'm completely shocked that someone like you, who obviously knows everything, and has the world completely figured out has so much time to be posting garbage on Reddit.....you should really be busy working with other top know it all solving our worlds problems
1 afidak 2017-08-16
Is that the New tactic to derail the discussion now?
1 metronNYC 2017-08-16
I'm just calling it like I see it
1 afidak 2017-08-16
Yeah you and about three dozen other accounts have made the exact same statement to shut down any discussion.
1 metronNYC 2017-08-16
What discussion? "White neo-nazi = mentally ill. Whatabout this other unrelated stuff." OP brings up antifa and BLM when they had nothing to do with the neonazi rally. People like him just want the finger pointed somewhere else. False equivocation is very popular around these parts.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
WTF, I guess its not a reading comprehension issue....what good is a discussion when you blatantly ignore, or twist what people say? It doesnt help your point of view, or somehow make you look smarter...in fact it just makes you look like an idiotic troll
1 OmNomDeBonBon 2017-08-16
I'm just calling it like I see it
*hat tip to r/metronNYC
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
These two trolls are just stirring shit.....you cant have a good discussion and actually see what people think....just attack, change the topic, and somehow make it about you. I've posted the link three times now talking about this guys mental issues, and said myself it doesnt justify or excuse what he did, hes a piece of trash. I posted this last night because I saw the MSM immediately go to terrorism, and it just surprised me. I dont disagree really that it fits the definition of terrorism, but considering a lot of other incidents over the last 18-24 months, that werent called terrorism...it bothered me. Also, me personally, I cant stand any of these groups, but it seems li8ke a lot of young people feel the need to be labeled, or associate themselves with something.....which to me is strange after everyone fought against labels, stereotypes, and wanted to be seen as individuals.
1 Reasonedfor1 2017-08-16
No group is fully innocent. They are here to keep us divided and if you just see the geopolitics book of russia, they were supposed to be in this country along with KKK like groups. It is a well planned project. When people in a country can't trust one another it is bound for a great fall. It requires very less amount of budget, but is highly effective. It always worked.
Honestly speaking, MSM is directly responsible for making people like Trump and his minions. All day and night, since 9/11th they have been doing nothing, but blabbering about war on terrorism. No matter how much they deny that they never mentioned "Islam", but radical Islam and "Muslim extremists" instead of "Muslims", majority of the people read it as "Islam" and "Muslims" only. Once humans begin to be afraid, they will try to take aggressive actions. This gets much worse if they are highly uneducated. Putin just used that. It seems MSM along with Pentagon never imagined that their picnic with war on terrorism was going to backfire this badly.
Trump and people who support him have problematic mentality. They'll believe in anything that is against any group they hate the most. Even if the news is about criminal activity of only handful of people they want to take action against the entire group. This is the main problem for which MSM won't touch reports on ANTIFA and BLM. I have also seen that educated people who hate Trump do wish for some groups to attack him and his supporters. They may not go against the law, but if someone else is doing it they probably feel happy inside.
Interestingly, most sectarians trapped by FBI in terrorism crimes also had mental issues, but it was never fully covered by MSM. They have just started talking about it.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
Thank you for taking the time to write that out, some really good stuff there
1 EagleOfAmerica 2017-08-16
They divided the country up into two teams, both teams are completely fake, always vote for the oligarchs.
You have to have one team that seems like it's the smart team to be on for people who are really "woke." They decided that would be the Republicans.
So they have the news have Democrat bias. But if you really dig deeper, and listen to alternative sources, you'll see the Republicans are really right. Dig even deeper, and maybe you'll see the Libertarians, or the Socialists, or left-Marxist Anarchist Bolshevism is really the way.
The point is, it doesn't matter which ideology you pick, because Congress is a bunch of blackmailed perverts.
And the bankers laugh all the way... well... to the bank.
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
Man, I cant even watch MSM, is disgraceful... FOX, CNN, MSNBC....they definitely answer to their corporate overlords....and are the best psyops unit in the world.....as long as they keep us divided and angry at each other they can do whatever they want.
1 _spacedtime 2017-08-16
Now now, where did the antifa touch you? :]
1 WarSanchez 2017-08-16
You ain't gonna do shit.
Gonna cry to have me banned cus I've exposed you multiple times already?
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-08-16
Too many accounts to keep track of?
1 LV_Cinnabear 2017-08-16
not gonna bother reading whats written, but you have no problem trolling other users and following them around....got it.
You are literally the poster child of whats wrong with Reddit. I am genuinely interested in peoples opinions, and am enjoying multiple opinions and conversations....and you are just going around being a giant shitbag...awesome.
1 metronNYC 2017-08-16
What discussion? "White neo-nazi = mentally ill. Whatabout this other unrelated stuff." OP brings up antifa and BLM when they had nothing to do with the neonazi rally. People like him just want the finger pointed somewhere else. False equivocation is very popular around these parts.
1 cjluthy 2017-08-16
Did you miss the memo that Left vs Right is a meme intended to divide us against TPTB?
1 OmNomDeBonBon 2017-08-16
lol, you just described the far-right
lol, you just described the far-right
lol, you just described the far-right media (Brietbart, ZeroHedge, DailyStormer, etc.)
Your post is literally the most pathetic thing I've ever seen on Reddit. Jesus Christ, if you're like this as a 13-year-old how far are you going to regress by the time you're old enough to vote?
1 OmNomDeBonBon 2017-08-16
I'm just calling it like I see it
*hat tip to r/metronNYC