What do you expect of programmed AI? Creativity?

Sounds like you don't know much about AI.

Able to provide evidence to back up your claim?

False narrative? Is the Trump campaign under criminal investigation right now? Yes or no? Did a Nazi terrorist just run over a crowd of people and kill one of them this weekend? Yes or no?

The answer to both those questions is yes. Conservatives think that every piece of bad news for them is fake. It's the most childish thing I've ever seen.

Here we go again dude.

Nothing to dispute? Just making a pointless eyeroll comment?

K.

You'd think they would change up the account that regularly gets boosted to the top of each of these types of posts, it's very obvious.

Now ur a nazi

:S

You are correct, Russian troll bot.

I'd love to get some lessons from the coder able to program an account history like mine.

Removed. Rule 10.

For real. This sub has jumped the shark. Not every media story is bullshit. Yes, much of it is scripted and there to distract you from reality, but if you think Trump doesn't have Tussian financial ties, or that there are a bunch of angry citizen groups battling in the fuckin streets now, YOU'RE FAKE NEWS, son...

You listen to Rogan don't you?

Which one? What's he say. I'll listen.

Any of them: http://podcasts.joerogan.net/

When ever I hear someone end a sentence with "son", I think of Rogan.

Oh I thought he talked about something relevant to this. My bad

He kind of did in his last one. Rogan has been one of the more accepting media personalities (for lack of a better term) of Alex Jones. He's had Jones on his podcast before and will discuss things Jones says. But Rogan seemed really upset with Jones' comments on what happened in Charlottesville. Rogan basically said that skepticism is great, but if your response to every major story is that it's some kind of grand conspiracy and can't even accept the possibility that it just is what it is, then you have serious problems.

No, but my bf does. And, son, that's from hitting puberty in the 90s!

Spot on fucking truth

Are you serious? You know that everything that happens is all a narrative? Yes a real person got run over and there is a real investigation, OP is not denying that. He is stating that it's one giant puppet show to the next to keep everyone in fear, controlled, etc. This thread is literally an r/news thread.

Where is trumps financial ties to the kremlin? There is literally zero evidence of that. Now there is some evidence that manafort or Flynn do, but they aren't trump.

whyd he hire them

extreme vetting!

I didn't say the Kremlin, I said Russian financing. Which is fucking evident after he fucked up with Deutchbank and you know, where a financial corruption revolution is occuring, akin to the American mobster era...

And no, you can't demand a weblink to confidential banking information...

So your word is the evidence ? there's zero evidence then.

No, it's a reasonable logical jump, based on the observations (and reports) of others.

My point was, citizens demanding the proof of an ongoing investigation is fuckin asinine and would ruin any criminal trial, and possible foriegn policy. Trump supporters demanding proof for what is logically going to play out in a few years time shows the immaturity and ignorance of his fan base.

/u/redditeditard can't give you confidential banking information, but I can.

Here are the SWIFT codes for a wire transfer that was sent from Nicholas Bourg to Felix Sater. These codes were for wire transfers from Telford International to Triadou SPV S.A to purchase outstanding debt from the Tri-County Mall in Cincinnati Ohio. After Triadou purchased the mall debt for $30 million, it was sold months later to TxOil for $40 million. Guess who was on the advisory board for TxOil?

Felix Sater

Telford International is an investment fund ran by Viktor Khrapunov and Mukhtar Ablyazov, both of whom are wanted in Kazakhstan for large scale looting in the range of $8-12 billion. Through the Tri-County deal and several other deals, Khrapunov and Ablyazov sought to clean their money. A man named Felix Sater and Daniel Ridloff assisted in several of these operations, including efforts to purchase several condos from Trump Soho worth $3 million. Guess who Sater and Ridloff worked for in 2010?

The Trump Organisation

The Trump Organisation was one of three partners working on a development project called Trump Soho. The other partners were the Sapir Group and Bayrock. Donald Sr., Ivanka, and Donald Jr had a combined 18% equity stake in the project. The financiers of the project largely came from Kazak mining backgrounds. Those individuals, after looking at their starts in the Kazak mining industry, had heavy ties to Trans World Group and Russian mafia protection rackets ran during the Aluminum Wars. There were several crimes committed in the development process of Trump Soho, including tax fraud, money laundering, and embezzlement. Guess who worked for Bayrock during the time period that the three development partners controlled Trump Soho?

Felix Sater and Daniel Ridloff

I can keep going, but I think it's pretty obvious at this point.

I appreciate that I've seen many of your comments recently that have evidence, and you can tell you've actually researched things. We need more of that here.

/u/redditeditard can't give you confidential banking information, but I can.

Here are the SWIFT codes for a wire transfer that was sent from Nicholas Bourg to Felix Sater. These codes were for wire transfers from Telford International to Triadou SPV S.A to purchase outstanding debt from the Tri-County Mall in Cincinnati Ohio. After Triadou purchased the mall debt for $30 million, it was sold months later to TxOil for $40 million. Guess who was on the advisory board for TxOil?

Felix Sater

Telford International is an investment fund ran by Viktor Khrapunov and Mukhtar Ablyazov, both of whom are wanted in Kazakhstan for large scale looting in the range of $8-12 billion. Through the Tri-County deal and several other deals, Khrapunov and Ablyazov sought to clean their money. A man named Felix Sater and Daniel Ridloff assisted in several of these operations, including efforts to purchase several condos from Trump Soho worth $3 million. Guess who Sater and Ridloff worked for in 2010?

The Trump Organisation

The Trump Organisation was one of three partners working on a development project called Trump Soho. The other partners were the Sapir Group and Bayrock. Donald Sr., Ivanka, and Donald Jr had a combined 18% equity stake in the project. The financiers of the project largely came from Kazak mining backgrounds. Those individuals, after looking at their starts in the Kazak mining industry, had heavy ties to Trans World Group and Russian mafia protection rackets ran during the Aluminum Wars. There were several crimes committed in the development process of Trump Soho, including tax fraud, money laundering, and embezzlement. Guess who worked for Bayrock during the time period that the three development partners controlled Trump Soho?

Felix Sater and Daniel Ridloff

I can keep going, but I think it's pretty obvious at this point.

There are several instances of Trump Organization's financial ties to several different Russian and Kazak mafia affiliates.

Trump Soho was entirely funded by Kazak mining oligarchs that initially partnered with Russian mafia protection rackets during the Aluminum Wars. Several Bayrock employees that were affiliated with the Russian mafia then went on to work for the Trump Org in 2010 and participated in several other laundering efforts using funds originating from bank fraud and kleptocracy.

Trump Batumi in Georgia wasn't even built because the land was repurchased from the developer by shell companies of shell companies that were ultimately under the control of the original developers. Those funds for the Batumi project originated from the same person that was the financier of several different laundering operations in US that had Trump Org employees participating in.

Miss Universe in 2013 was in Moscow. The entire pagent was funded by the Crocus Group company. Crocus received some of the largest development loans from Sberbank at the same time that Miss Universe occured. Sberbank held severe clout within Crocus, so much so that Trump personally met with the head of Sberbank at Miss Universe and discussed a hotel project in Russia with Crocus. The Trump project in Moscow would have used funds that were part of a loan from Sberbank. Sberbank is entirely state run.

This unite the right has George Sorros written all over it though. Especially considering the fact that just a few years ago he was an Obama supporter and participated in a George Sorros occupy wall street movement. Even if we ignore the Sporros connection isnt it strange for someone to shift from one extreme of the political spectrum to the other? Something doesn't smell right here

Why would George Sorros, a globalist billionaire, fund the Occupy movement that was about toppling the billionaire class?

If you looked into it you can see the ties. It is openly known he funds these groups, it's not a conspiracy or secret it is in ink.

Why would George Sorros, a globalist billionaire, fund the Occupy movement that was about toppling the billionaire class?

Your premise is flawed. Occupy wasn't "a movement that was about toppling the billionaire class." It may have marketed itself as such, but it was a "movement" being utilized by one (group of) billionaire(s) against another (group of) billionaire(s).

When you control both sides you can create any the outcome

what do you think makes liberals and conservatives so different?

If you're talking politically, it's usually the policies they support. If you're talking biologically, not much since they're both humans.

thx but the question wasnt directed at you.

Yea my b, I didn't realize this wasn't a discussion board.

They aren't. All these people picking sides are so deluded... It's all a farce, and they willingly play into it. Tribalism is natural I guess.

Conservative narrative: The criminal investigation hinges on a fabricated "Trump Russian Nazi" narrative and a faked, completely discredited pee-pee dossier - which we have MOUNTAINS of evidence for.

Please oh please tell me what evidence they have on Trump? Please oh please tell me why deep-state agent Mueller, Comey's butt-buddy, is digging into financial transactions now?

To the guy below me - How about you give some specifics regarding these "financial ties" and how they're illegal? Oh you can't, because his financial transactions are clean?

Everything they accuse Trump and his team of doing, the Democrats have done 25x worse and I'm not even exaggerating. Maybe you don't know this but the DOJ is investigating EVERYTHING them Democrats are doing. They offered Hillary a plea deal but you don't hear that on the nightly news do you?

It's funny because no matter how much you try to project it's all going to come back to you. Democrats were caught in a lie, they kept lying, and now it's grown to an absolute cancerous, hideous tumour-infested swamp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

"but her emails"

You are a joke

lmfao the country is laughing at you liberals. my liberal friends literally will not speak to me about politics anymore because they know they've completely lost on all regards. you've been run out of office, your party is a laughingstock, and Trump shits on you daily and it'll continue for the next 8 years.

You're living in a sleep-state, inverted reality and you don't even know it

is THAT why you think they wont speak to you

haha i always love seeing stuff like this

'my IRL friends find me insufferable because Im so right"

from debating narratives to one-month old accounts personally attacking me WEW LAD

to anyone reading this: observe how quickly they derail things - don't fall into their trap

your IRL life friends are shills too

why else would they disagree? call them out for it!

my IRL liberal friends mean well, they're just ignorant. online, I can't tell if you're ignorant, stupid, or malicious.

and no, I've got a huge post up there with a lot of points, but it's pretty convenient you managed to completely avoid that and hop on the personal-attack train, really makes for some good convincing.

on one hand you say the doj is investigating the dems for being 25x worse, on the other the doj is a deep state hack trying to hurt our lord and saviour donald.

youre a partisan hack. MY point is, your friends dont want to talk politics with you because of how pwned they are. There is another reason, and I wonder if you have the self awareness to see it

We've always said there's a divide going on in the government, where have you been? I've heard there's more good than bad but I personally think it's the opposite. Regardless, there are confirmed "white hats" and "black hats," whatever you want to call them, in the government and the white hats in the DOJ under Sessions finally get to make their move. Pretty telling that you don't dispute the fact that the Dems committed acts 25x worse huh?

Lol I actually voted for Obama twice but that's only because I just turned 18 and bought into the main-stream liberal hype. I was pretty much apolitical until the liberal SJW hysteria became mainstream and the red-pilling commenced from there. It's crazy that you think people like me even stick to fake partisan party lines - like we can't think for ourselves based on everything that's happening around us. The Democrats and GOP uniparty establishment are rotten to the core and I see no problem with throwing these swamp creatures in prison, after a fair trial of course.

Again, personally attacking me. For what purpose? You're just insinuating they won't talk to me because they don't like me. Wow, that really took some incredible self-awareness to realize. Except that's wrong, you don't know anything about me, and in debates, you take people on their word unless you can definitively prove otherwise. You can't debate anything else so you'll just reply to the easiest thing to attack - I understand, I've seen it time and time again.

Pretty telling that you don't dispute the fact that the Dems committed acts 25x worse huh?

i dont agree with that number, just pointing out your own hypocrisy and how your perception of how the govt works breaks down nicely along partisan lines. bringing something very complex into something easily understood. good guys bad guys. my side good. their side bad

It's fascinating how entrenched you are in a partisan perspective.

Could you give some insight on how you gain so many upvotes in so many threads so quickly after you've posted? What's your strategy?

Hahah typical thread in r/conspiracy, get this, a conspiracy subreddit where a comment defending the official narrative is quickly placed at the top in order to stifle discussion....in a conspiracy subreddit!

Probably because there are a lot of people here with legitimate criticism who are tied of being viewed as fucking idiots. OP thinks it's odd that there is a right-wing terrorism news rush after a right-wing terrorist attack.

In my opinion it was a false flag designed to further divide our nation but we can agree to disagree

False flag like the guy works for the government? Or just that the attack was motivated by people trying to hurt the reputation of neo Nazis?

yknow, since that attack im beginning to think neo nazis are bad dudes!

This was the first time this group had gathered in Charlottesville this year. There wasn't any violence until ANTIFA began throwing rocks at people and cars.

Would you mind just not commenting anymore? You are so driven to spread your views you aren't even replying to the right people. Just slow it down. Read more, post less.

Sure, because why be expressed to different views. Let's just silence everyone whom disagrees with the establishment.

I'm not talking about people who disagree with the establishment. I'm talking about you. My comment has nothing to do with your comment. You are pretty much just spamming your opinions so that you can see your own thoughts on a screen and feel like you belong somewhere. I understand you want validation but damn take a hint sometime. If the only place that tolerates you is T_D then maybe there isn't some conspiracy out there to get you--maybe you're just an unreasonable, uninformed person who is way too opinionated. Maybe you need a break.

Brilliant. If your comment had nothing to do with my comment, you must have responded to the wrong thread.

puts microphone to you

Sir you were just told by a snowflake to go in the corner. How does that make you feel?

"The sun must be shining pretty brightly around me that they're so afraid of melting!"

Thank you for this brief interview kind sir.

And there you have it folks. We have just witnessed a snowflake prey on a man. We observed its desperate tactics only to see the real man swap it away like an annoying shit fly.

Are the snowflakes in great danger? Is their illusionary world and their great way of life theteatned? Find out on this next episode of Snowflakes where we catch another desperate snowflake insert dominance in the form of squirming. Will it work this time around? Probably not but stay around for the entertainment!

You sound like my farts. Long and stinky.

hey man he doesnt tell you how to do your job...

That account is absolutely notorious for dissenting the sub while consistently being the top comment, usually largely disproportionate to all surrounding comments and the post itself.

I've been noticing the same; just wanted to draw attention to it.

Please continue bringing attention to this type of thing around here, it is worse cancer than actual T_D posters.

Here come the backup downtruths!

i upvoted him because I agree and hes not part of the far right snowflake victim circle jerk

Actually ANTIFA tried to surround the Nazi, the rocks at good car, and got it with a flagpole before he "drive into a crowd of people." But that doesn't for the narrative the establishment wants to push.

Asshole or not, we have the right to free speech that must be upheld even (and perhaps especially) for speech we don't like.

If I were in a situation of going to a pride parade, and after being told to leave my car was surrounded by an anti-gay mob that gathered illegally, and they began hitting my car and throwing rocks, I'd gun it too.

I guess these people were lucky that he only "drove into them" instead of driving into them.

Guess they were unlucky their ANTIFA as were throwing rocks at the car and hitting it with flagpoles.

Flagpoles? Lol. Was he being attacked by the hulk?

Ahhh, so you're one of the ones who forms his or her opinion without looking at the videos or evidence themselves, just have it regurgitated to them through a filter and straw.

His car was hit with a bat, not a flagpole, and it was hit in the rear as he was driving into the crowd of people.

That "bat" was a flag on a pole, but in reality a bat would so more damage. The street behind the car is already filled up with people, as you can see them in the video you reference running in the middle of the street once he takes off. Is your argument literally "well yes the counter protestors were in fact committing acts of violence and mobbing the street but that's no excuse for someone to try and get away?"

"Try and get away" through a huge crowd of people he would have seen from a distance? Your bullshit is transparent. There was empty road after the speed hump, which he accelerated through to hit a crowd of people. One guy pinged him on the rear bumper just prior to collision.

No, your bullshit is transparent. Your perfectly willing to accept violence as the solution so long as it aligns with your political views. Speech may be censored if you find it distasteful. History may be wiped clear so long as its history you don't like.

So you've moved on from lying about this filmed incident to lying about me? How can an obvious lack of ethics on your part reconcile with the principles you're apparently judging me against? That doesn't seem fair. I don't think I can take you seriously.

You never did, nor would. That became apparent.

Mate, you seem to have me confused with someone else. You are apparently fixated on proving to me that Antifa has engaged in violence. Guess what: I already know that! You're arguing against a position someone else has taken. This explains a lot, but it doesn't explain your previous lies. Later.

Flagpoles? Lol. Was he being attacked by the hulk?

Flagpoles are 2017's protester weapon of choice. Technically, if it has a flag hanging off it, it's not a weapon.

I guess these people were lucky that he only "drove into them" instead of driving into them.

Except you're a liar. This video shows him driving fast enough to bottom out half a block before being struck. There is no visible damage on his car or anything showing he was being attacked. Why do you lie in such an easily disprovable way?

Seriously? I'm the one lying?

Yes, you are. You claimed he was attacked before driving at the crowd and I showed he was not. He had half a block to stop and reverse out of there but he chose to ram the crowd.

Your insistence on lying to defend this murderer is cowardly and disgusting.

Oh yes, he was moving so fast. So fast that people were able to stand still and hit his car, and weren't panicked until afterwards

So where's that proof he was attacked before accelerating towards the crowd?

from any angle where you can see the back of the car

You linked a picture from a video game fool. But I've seen the picture you meant to link and to anyone not trying to make excuses for a white supremacist murderer, it's clear he was hit well after he was intending to ram the crowd.

If you're going to be a white supremacist apologist, at least have the courage to own your beliefs. Hiding behind obvious lies just makes you look like a gutless coward.

I linked a streamable video link.

You linked a video edited down to a second before he hits the crowd. His intent to ram the protesters was clear at this point. He hit hard enough to move two parked cars, well over 15 mph. You continue to lie to cover for a white supremacist murderer then play dumb when called out. Truly pathetic behavior on display here. Grow a spine.

Not at all, you ignorant fuck. When you're at your ANTIFA rallies, made sure your make covers all of your face.

Unlike you, I don't have to cover up and lie about my beliefs. Coward.

I don't. I live in DC and everyone knows I'm a gay conservative. I don't hide behind anything, and one dealt with a lot more bigoted bullshit than you ever have.

Then I would have thought you wouldn't bend over backwards lying through your teeth for people that hate you. But here you are doing just that.

Because I believe in freedom of speech, which qualifies especially when it's something distasteful. I also have military family members, including father. For all good faults, he's always said "I may hate what you have to say, but I'd sure for your right to say it. "

Just do it in non violent ways, which is not how ANTIFA handles any of their protests.

You are such a shameless bullshitter. That fuck in the Challenger sure as hell wasn't nonviolent when he purposely rammed into a crowd of people.

One again, AFTER THE VIOLENCE WAS STARTED BY ANTICS YOU DUMB FUCK

You want pics of my dick in men? You can't believe in anything expect a preset standard of people that can be lotted into specific groups. My ass fill of cum? Hell, I'll get one of those little signs with sharpie messages it you want one.

Oh yes, he was moving so fast. So fast that people were able to stand still and hit his car, and weren't panicked until afterwards

Honestly officer, I was afraid for my life so my only choice was to drive at high speed down a road blocked by a crowd of people and two vehicles. At a gentle 15mph.

Oh yes, he was moving so fast. So fast that people were able to stand still and hit his car, and weren't panicked until afterwards

Why yes, people were panicked after he slammed into a crowd, injuring 19 people and killing one. Here's another view of his gentle impact. Again, why would he drive into a crowd of 20 people, hitting two vehicles that blocked the road, if he was trying to get away? Notice he drives by TWO four way intersections that he could have turned off on to. Notice that he managed to reverse out of the carnage and get away, despite supposedly being trapped by a pursuing crowd.

Why yes, people were panicked after he slammed into a crowd, injuring 19 people and killing one. Here's another view of his gentle impact. Again, why would he drive into a crowd of 20 people, hitting two vehicles that blocked the road, if he was trying to get away? Notice he drives by TWO four way intersections that he could have turned off on to. Notice that he managed to reverse out of the carnage and get away, despite supposedly being trapped by a pursuing crowd.

Jackass, your own video shows guess ANTIFA is blocking the roadways intentionally, and without any knowledge of the roadways yourself, and even though there are other cars that are driving the same direction to get to their destination, that he must turn beforehand. What about the two cars that were surrounded by 40 second into your video.

though there are other cars that are driving the same direction to get to their destination

Those cars managed not to run over 20 people and rear-end two other vehicles.

Those cars weren't hit by a bat or flag pole

Why yes, people were panicked after he slammed into a crowd, injuring 19 people and killing one. Here's another view of his gentle impact. Again, why would he drive into a crowd of 20 people, hitting two vehicles that blocked the road, if he was trying to get away? Notice he drives by TWO four way intersections that he could have turned off on to. Notice that he managed to reverse out of the carnage and get away, despite supposedly being trapped by a pursuing crowd.

Also funny how you show that from an angle where it's impossible to see what started the forward movement.

Funy how you are being downvoted for not being a dupe.

what happened to due process of law (innocent until proven guilty in a court of law)?

Conservatives think that every piece of bad news for them is fake. It's the most childish thing I've ever seen.

Hilarious, you must have forgot about denying the election results, the recounting, the literally shaking crying, tantruming. That was the most childish thing I've ever seen. And here it continues. Crying over statues, crying over bathrooms, crying over everything trump says, crying over race, crying over genders. You people are just a bunch of bitches really, and the world is beginning to see it. So whatever you do don't stop eating yourselves whole now, we'll feast on your goverment seats when you're through.

Weren't people on both sides paid to be there as agitators? Weren't the police ordered to stand down? The girl would not have been killed if the police were doing their jobs.

The media is owned and controlled by the Bilderbergers, who are New World Order globalists. They are against Nationalism so we cannot reasonably expect unbiased news coverage.

People on this sub won't agree with you. People that really know how the world works don't visit this sub anymore. let the lost people argue and pretend to have seen past the dramatic play TPTB put on for us..

I think you are right. I know of better places to discuss these issues, and I am sure that you do, too.

Jesus. This sub was never like this.. You're just as bad as any alt right or conservative you care to discredit. Falling into the false dichotomy, the intentional narrative of right and wrong that both sides try to play up. Choosing one side over the other doesn't make you right.

Really I am appalled at how terrible the conspiracy sub has become. This was one of the first subs I subscribed to 5 years ago and it is absolutely nothing like it used to be. For anyone who is truly interested in seeing past the veil, there are many very small subs that will help you in this without basically being another /r/politics

Don't fool yourself and think any comment about one side being right or wrong is correct because they're all wrong. If you're picking sides you know nothing about real conspiracy.

They are not FYI. For conspiracy too many people don't have their facts straight.

Words matter, he used the term narrative. A narrative implies a story, and a story must be told. It takes more than the two facts that you replied with to fill up the 24 hr. news cycle. People are starting to fear some kind of white rising which simply doesn't add up. Your fellow American is not the one to fear, both sides need to get this.

You don't think it has anything to do with current events? Do you think Mueller just ended his investigation? Same with the house and Senate investigations?

Just because another topic has taken the spotlight, doesn't really mean the other thing was fake.

Mueller is a known deep state operative and puppet and his investigation is meant to hide its illegal theft of American taxpayers' money.

Well, as soon as there's mountains of evidence to back up your claim, the media will be all over it like they are all over the Trump campaign's Russia ties, money laundering and other criminal activity. Until then, the rest of us will be over here in reality.

Really now? There are countless examples of well sourced scandals that have not only been ignored vy mainstream media outlets, bit actively covered up. A good example is Gary Webb who exposed tye CIA's activities in Iran-Contra. Even though his evidence was solid, he was smeared on multiple MSM outlets like the NYT and WaPo. Instead of analyzing and objectively reporting on the evidence they claimed it was "debunked" and proceeded to ignore it all.

Sorry, what? His claim was about Mueller.

You're spouting off random "examples of well sourced scandals that have been ignored". This is not relevant.

Of course it's relevant. You seem to be of the belief that the media will report on something if it has mountains of evidence to support it. I gave you a pretty big counterexample. Wasn't talking about Mueller.

I gave you a pretty big counterexample. Wasn't talking about Mueller.

So we agree then, that you are talking about things unrelated to our conversation.

It's not happening because it is simply a distraction.

You can pretend it's unrelated, I don't really care man. I was simply responding to your misplaced belief in the integrity of the MSM.

Good thing see that in your eyes that the media is the same as law enforcement.

Your comment has nothing to do with what I said.

The OP I replied to said that the media will definitely report on anything that has mountains of evidence. This is unequivocally false and I gave a good counter example.

Good news guys, the media will tell us the truth!

Or he could be investigating several distinct real estate deals from the Trump Org that involve Kazak mafia and Russian mafia figures. He could also be investigating several a Trump Organisation partner that was convicted of stock fraud and stabbing someone in the neck, all part of Russian mafia run operations in Brighton Beach in the late 90's, early 00's. That same Trump Org partner became an employee of the Trump Org in 2010 and helped launder millions of corrupt Kazak oligarch money that originated from Almaty looting and from billions in BTA bank fraud. The same employee also helped other Trump Org partners in corrupt construction fraud practices in Turkey.

hm sounds like a conspiracy, why do i only see posts today about how 'the russia narrative is dead, why are we mad at nazis'?

interesting

Honestly, not that worried. The Nazi stuff is going to blow over in the next couple of days, just like the North Korea and Venezuela war threats. It serves a purpose to suck oxygen out of media reports that week.

For an example, just this week, Adam Davidson released an amazing piece of investigative journalism on the Trump Organisation's hotel project in Batumi Georgia. He follows the money trail behind the project and found that the funds for the project development and for the Trump licencing fee originated from bank fraud involving Mukhtar Ablyazov, the former head of BTA Bank. Davidson found that the hotel was never fully built, as the deal was only done so that the development company could buyback the property from itself from shell companies that it owned in an attempt to launder the original source of funds.

If you look deeper into the Trump Organisation, you can find the initial link between the Trump Org through key laundering operations done in the Trump Soho project, where several Trump Org employees assisted in large scale money laundering for the Khrapunov and Ablyazov controlled investment funds.

Now if I were the president and I didn't want attention to be brought to a report on this deal because it was coming out that week, I think the best distraction from this would be to say some really, really dumb shit. So he does this, but it doesn't really distract the overall Special Counsel investigation, who will focus on these insanely corrupt deals. I see why he does this, but it won't necessarily distract investigators.

THAT is interesting too. I need to take the time to read that and that stuff that came out of australia about declining a gambling permit cuz of mob ties.

Trump is the unluckiest innocent man in the world! for some reason all this shady shit happens to whatever he touches but he dindunuffin!

Let me know if you want any information regarding Kazak and Russian mafia connections to the Trump Organization. I've been really digging into those two areas in my research into Trump's Russia ties.

if you want to share any links ill take the time to read them

I've been compiling information on several deals that I think will be important to the investigation. The first one is about Trump and his biggest and most obvious connection to the Russian and Kazak mafias. The second one is about Manafort and all of the shady financial crimes he was a part of in Ukraine. They both are long, but good imo. I have another thread about the Italian mafia connections Trump has, but I'll let you look these over first. If you want to read into those too I can send you the link or just look at my submitted threads.

Trump Soho

Paul Manafort

thanks, i need to actually get some work done today but I will look at this

Same, I got shit to do too.

No, nobody real cares about that, CIA bot or whatever. You've already pushed capitalism too hard.

Fuck me for wondering if the President of the United States has been laundering money for Kazak, Azeri, and Russian mafia figures for the past 10 years leading all the way up until he took office.

Yeah bc nobody cares

You can't let US corporations do whatever they want -including making laws so they can-and then expect us to care when one of them takes advantage of it.

Give this argument up.

Yeah, nothing that happened at Trump Soho was legal.

In under no circumstances is laundering cash legal. Trump's casinos have already been fined $10 million for money laundering in 2015. It wasn't legal back then, and it sure as shit isn't legal if you are president.

This deal in particular will be of interest to the Special Counsel.

So the banks in 2008- we should go after all those guys then right?

Fraud is fraud after all.

Until they push the narrative that he's really investigating clinton, because then who cares about the cost?!

Hey everyone, check out the worthwhile and constructive comment that totally doesn't polarize the situation by dragging in a familiar face from the other "side," and absolutely doesn't seek to railroad true discourse.

I know, I'm pretty fucking awesome.

17, 18

Hey, man, I just say what I see. Some people ARE saying that. Maybe you don't think that, but it's pretty clear that some people will never be happy until even more Americans are in jail. When it's their villain , it's worth the effort, when it's their rep, it's not. This IS a space where most people are guilty. I've seen both statements on the same page before.

This topic is insuinating there is nothing wrong here, and engages in this weird cancellation fallacy that's been developing. Better?

A cancellation fallacy implies OP believes one over the other, but that isn't what he's positing. He addresses both the Russian narrative and the influx of Nazi related news as being, what he perceives to be, false narratives pushed to invoke a certain response in the populous. On the contrary, he makes it clear that both are very wrong, just not for the reasons for which they are advertised on the news. I believe you may be misinterpreting the message.

Two weeks ago it was Seth rich disproved Russia.

Both have factual basis, even if it is sensationalism at work. It could also all be fake, that is true. I do not believe there is somehow zero substance to the russia thing, nor do I believe every single person on both sides or these recent protests are paid by Soros. I do believe there are agent provacutours and that some of the Russian stuff is overblown. However, according to DJTjr, there more to it than I thought for a long while. ($. Just $ was /still is mostly my take on trumps himselfs collusion. Other parties pay for the bots and shills and propaganda facenews clickbaits. Assange is pro Russia, heavily. I'm NOT anti Russia, but I am very anti DJT, as he's not trustworthy or honestly qualified for even a puppet presidency. If this was a pre nukes and internet world, this would go better for his philosophy than actual reality)

Looks like you triggered the shills

Mueller was appointed FBI director a week before 9/11 in order to cover up the false flag, and here you're being downvoted for suggesting that might make him deep state.

This guy's sole job was covering up 9/11 and a conspiracy forum is sticking up for him!

Well, before that it was to cover for the Clinton's. He had deep state written all over him.

One could say that what is the most outrageous gets the headlines and attention.

This is definitely part of it. We see it all the time even with youtube 'truthers' who use extravagant headlines to try to 'go viral. Meanwhile the videos which focus on the evidence and make no outrageous claims struggle to go past 10,000 views.

you poor summer child

If I could strike the word being"narrative" from post titles I would.

This is Because the shills are mentally retarded.

Maybe this

Evidence that undermines the "election hack" narrative should get more attention. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles/2017-08-10/why-some-u-s-ex-spies-don-t-buy-the-russia-story

An opinion piece by a Russian journalist says to pay no attention to Russia...

What if the DNC Russian “hack” was really a leak after all? A new report raises questions media and Democrats would rather ignore

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-the-dnc-russian-hack-was-really-a-leak-after-all-a-new-report-raises-questions-media-and-democrats-would-rather-ignore/

They're actually reviewing their report currently because they've been questioned on it so much.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/08/15/the-nation-is-reviewing-a-story-casting-doubt-on-russian-hack-of-dnc/

Because it counters the narrative they've been told to push for 8 months

Yawn another one of those

I don't know what you are complaining about, most of the Russia collusion stories are downvoted in this sub.

Thank god for that.

Gotta maintain that safespace

Because it's bullshit but sharefags keep coming in here posting NYT and washington podesta all over the place.

But see you're falling into the trap that it's even a bad thing. Lincoln allied with Russia, wheres all the Lincoln hate? I've yet to see a bad reason for Trump and Russia working together.

Three weeks ago, we were seeing up to a dozen submissions an hour regarding Imran Awan/Wasserman Schultz . Now we see the same pattern regarding "alt-right" and Nazis. Apparently they're only capable of shoving one false narrative down our throats at any one time.

Equally valid, no?

There are more posts about dramatic events that just happened than older events with less new information. Reddit isn't different than any other media in that regard

Two weeks ago ago we were seeing dozens of submissions an hour about the Awan brothers. Two months ago we were seeing dozens of submissions an hour about Seth Rich. 6 months ago we were seeing dozens of submissions an hour about Pizzagate. Apparently t_d is only capable of shoving one false narrative down our throats at any one time.

My god man, that's a great observation, one that I can verify, as yes, they only push in emajor thing at a time.

Only difference being that the Awan brothers is a potentially massive scandal, Seth Rich murder still isn't solved, and Pizzagate still hasn't been "debunked."

Trump/Russia collusion still has no evidence and this recent "Nazi" push is going to fall flat on it's face.

You can't deny that one side of this is actually rooted in reality while the other is clearly not.

Trump/Russia collusion has no evidence? Have you been living under a rock?

Please provide a shred of evidence that Trump himself worked with directly with the Russian government to rig the election.

There is none because it's a bunk story.

Your moving the goal posts though. What does exist is evidence linking Russia and the Trump campaign, which makes this a very real scandal even if "Trump himself" wasn't directly involved

Actually it just seems you're unable to provide an answer to that anyway, including but not limited to the campaign or Trump himself.

The DJTJR emails? The most recent emails? Flynn?

What the Jr emails show is that is there was sorry on Hillary Clinton, they'd be interested in hearing it. For fucks sake, Hillary Clinton was willing to pay people to come to then privately with sorry on Donald Trump.

Flynn was expected to speak to foreign officials after the election. What he was fired for was not properly reporting the contact.

And what most recent emails are you talking about? Would it be the podesta email saying when you're losing an argument, "compare your opponent to Hitler when their right and you're spectacular wrong?"

what did flynn want immunity for

why was manafort raided

He was raised because they suspected that if he was hiding something, he may use bleachbit or hammers and shredders to destroy evidence. Funny how that happened less than 24 hours after his testimony, yet when it was reported on three weeks after the fact there was no indication they found anything worthy of arrest. And given the speed at which they moved to see that evidence in place, it's indicative of what they found; if anything, not enough.

That said, it's not impossible for something to stop come out of that raid, but as three weeks go on it's less and less likely.

I dont think its less and less likely. this is white collar crime. they werent going to find the gun in the study with manaforts fingerprints on it. theyre poring over documents. It might be a while. Im ok, im patient. You know who does seem to worry about it? distraction in chief who wants to fire anyone he can to put this to bed

innocent men dont do that :)

There have been a startling lack of firings, then.

yeah he was going to lose all republican congressional support if he didnt stfu and leave sessions alone. funny that it came to that

let me guess, theyre all cucks now? all those republican senators who were backing him up until now?

I'm guessing you weren't paying attention much to the GOP and their language and actions during the election cycle. They hate Trump. Some of them "signed on board" because they knew they would be voted out if they didn't at the time. The whole of Washington didn't want Trump in office, but much as you see a push for strongly partisan legislation by a congressman or senator that has no hope of making it to a vote before an election cycle is complete, there's a lot of political posturing to retain political power.

That's part of what makes it a swamp, aside from the Capital being built upon reclaimed swamp land (the Summers here are humid and nasty!)

As a quick example of this; under Obama and a guaranteed veto, much of the same Republican candidates "easily" pushed for repair if the ACA. Then, with greater control of the house and Senate and a president who would not veto it, it can't pass the house. I guarantee you that even among the "yes" votes that if additional "no's" were needed, others whom are on record as yes would change their vote. But if they have the "yes" on record and a guaranteed no-pass scenario, they'll leave their vote to whatever they believe their district will reelect them for so long as the powers that be will be unaffected.

repealing the aca and replacing it with a tax break for rich people that covered less people at greater cost was like the most unpopular move ever. under obama this legislation wasnt real, it was just an idea, much easier to support. like trump said, they had 8 years, and they rushed together a shitty self serving bill that nobody wanted, that had no democrat input (unlike Ds working with Rs for the ACA). 8 years and all they did was bitch and did no work.

im not surprised it had little support

on a related note, trump is a self serving narcissistic asshole, and has been his whole life. im not surprised the whole of washington didnt want him

In this particular case, I'm not arguing for or against the ACA, but trying to illustrate how our politicians play the system, and often "say one thing and do another" through collective action or inaction.

Though there wasn't much working with "R's" for it. Remember "Rahm it through?" That was an exceptionally partisan issues, inclusions attempted filibusters. I believe it passes with a couple registered independent senators, but an overwhelming response of Republican "no's".

you think it was more partisan under obama, or more partisan now

I think it's equally partisan, as far as the house and Senate are concerned.

The meeting you are referring to was set up by a Democrat-funded group (Fusion GPS) and there have been no undeniable connections between people in those meetings and the Russian government. Try again.

whos denying them? known liars who lied about the events happening UNTIL they got caught?

The meeting you are referring to was set up by a Democrat-funded group (Fusion GPS)

No, no it wasn't

“We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,” said Mark Corallo, a spokesman for the legal team of President Donald Trump.

“Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the President and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier,” he said. “These developments raise serious issues as to exactly who authorized and participated in any effort by Russian nationals to influence our election in any manner.”

http://heavy.com/news/2017/07/fusion-gps-dossier-russia-trump-jr-christopher-steele-democrat-planned-parenthood-glenn-simpson-peter-fritsch-natalia-veselnitskaya-grassley-hearing/

Uh huh. Where does that say that Fusion set up the meeting?

http://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-russian-lawyer-steele-dossier-natalia-veselnitskaya-gps-fusion-a7834541.html

The US passed the Magnitsky Act in 2012 to target those Russians allegedly behind Mr Magnitsky’s death.

The act has reportedly been a source of deep anguish to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who responded by ending American adoptions of Russian children.

Mr Veselnitskaya has for several years been leading a campaign to have the act overturned. As part of her effort she allegedly hired GPS Fusion.

How do you see Fusion GPS as being the ones setting up the meeting?

The Russian lawyer is connected to Fusion GPS and was a staunch Hillary supporter. She reached out to Don Jr. through a mutual acquaintance. This thing has honeypot written all over it.

The Russian lawyer is connected to Fusion GPS and was a staunch Hillary supporter.

Hired Fusion for Magnitsky Act efforts, yes.

Where do you see her as a strong Hillary supporter?

Evidence would be good.

The woman pushing the magnitsky act in retaliation against us sanctions imposed under SoS Clinton is a staunch Clinton supporter? Lmfao

The Russian lawyer was lobbying Trump Jr. to repeal the Magnitsky Act. Hillary Clinton also tried to repeal it. Hmmmmmmmm, coincidence?

When did Clinton try to repeal it?

http://observer.com/2017/07/natalia-veselnitskaya-hillary-clinton-magnitsky-act/

moving hte goal posts is just part of muddying the waters for these people. they mention trump because they dont want to talk about his hires, manafort and flynn

Originally you said "Trump/Russia collusion still has no evidence". Now you are saying "provide a shred of evidence that Trump himself worked with directly with the Russian government". You have changed your argument, likely because you know your original statement can be easily disproved.

Here is evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/07/21/timeline-donald-trump-jr-s-contradictory-statements-about-the-russia-meeting/

Originally you said "Trump/Russia collusion still has no evidence". Now you are saying "provide a shred of evidence that Trump himself worked with directly with the Russian government". You have changed your argument, likely because you know your original statement can be easily disproved.

How the fuck else would collusion happen if he didn't work directly with Russia to change the outcome of the election? I swear it's like this board has been flooded with mindless puppets.

Oh cool, you can regurgitate a WashPo story, that's not evidence.

"How the fuck else would collusion happen if he didn't work directly with Russia"

His campaign worked with them. As cited in the article I linked. I swear, it's like this board has been flooded with mindless Trump shills/bots/Russians.

Cmon dude, just direct mail this man some hard evidence and then maybe he'll open his mind up to the possibility.

So your argument is now "it's not Trump that was doing the evil things, it was his lackeys doing it without his knowledge?"

I think you meant to reply to /u/illumination_station. And yes, that seems to be his argument.

Mmm, no, I was replying to you. I'm saying that the left is making that argument as an attack on Trump, rather than the right trying to say it in defense of him. It wasn't the right that first suggested that collusion may have happened without Trump's knowledge. In fact I think it was the WaPo, whom have seen nothing but a complete bias against Trump since the primary elections. Truly reliable sources, they are.

Show me a single shred of evidence that Hillary personally deleted any emails. What's that? Her team did it for her? Well, she's clearly not guilty of anything I guess.

One again, it is the left saying the Trump team did something illicit, for which despite all the left whining and tantrums there had yet to be evidence of anything illegal. It is the right which really says that Hillary and her team did something. In fact the FBI confirmed it, admitted she broke the law, and confirmed that she wasn't being charged because she was special and they weren't going to abide by the requirements of the law. Sounds like doodle standards for a political elite if there ever was.

One again, it is the right saying the Clinton team did something illicit, for which despite all the right's whining and tantrums there had yet to be evidence of anything illegal.

Political false equivalences. When did this sub become a state run media propaganda showcase?

In fact the FBI confirmed it, admitted she broke the law, and confirmed that she wasn't being charged because she was special

None of that happened. Comey said,

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.

When the director of the FBI doesn't think there's a case, there's not a case. A federal prosecutor (including Trump's own FBI director) could easily bring charges if they disagreed with Comey's findings. But alas, that haven't.

Clinton did stupid shit with her emails, but saying the FBI confirmed she did illegal things is just a flat out lie.

When did this sub become a state run media propaganda showcase? I don't know, you tell me. You're the one arguing on behalf of the political establishment. And don't "political false equivalence" me, you're the one to draw the collection in the first place.

Also; https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

Comey's official statement on the matter.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

About knowingly transmitting classified data to unauthorized individuals.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

Gathering, transmitting, or losing classified information; you'll notice in that there is no requirement of intent. It's one of the few major crimes in this country that doesn't. Comey never had the authority to say what he did, he was by law supposed to turn over what he had to Lynch for the prosecutors decision. Instead, he made it for her after she told him "call it a matter, not an investigation," and after Lynch met with Bill in a secret on the tarmac.

You're the one pushing the states agenda. The state never dreamed Trump could win, and now the parts of the state left in power afterwards are doing anything they can to prevent their years of illegal, conspiratorial work from evaporating under a man they can't control. If you realize this and do it anyway, you're a disgusting human being. If not, then I've found one of Hillary's useful idiots.

Thinks the sitting president of the US isn't part of the political establishment

Calls me a useful idiot of an irrelevant figure of political history

What is wrong with you boy?

What's wrong with YOU? at what point have the powers in place been aligned with the president, and unequivocally doing his work? This has been running longer than the past 8 months, you ignorant schmuck. On top of that, anything that requires the state to do anything outside of the president will not be done. That is the political establishment, the ones who have been in power for many years and are established

at what point have the powers in place been aligned with the president

Apparently, about 90% of the time.

One party controls both major branches of the federal government, a majority of gubernatorial seats, and a majority of state legislatures. You're claiming they're the oppressed party that is out of power.

Gotcha.

No, you don't.

Just go back to CNN. They'll have your date space waiting for you.

I don't what?

Also, how is Hillary irrelevant? She was head of the state department, and had been a part of stole of the biggest political scandals in US history. You have literally no argument left

You're too far gone I see. lol.

lol, have you?

"Only difference is I agree with those other scandals, but I don't agree with those other two".

Got it.

I said nothing about agreeing. I said certain scandals have ample evidence to support action, others don't. How fucking hard is it to understand basic logic?

Dude, there is an active investigation for the Russia-Trump Campaign collusion, a Grand Jury has been enpaneled, ffs; that right there is a scandal on its own.

I find it fucking hilarious you come in here saying "All these scandals that benefit Trump in some way have ample evidence; and all these scandals that damage Trump, they are just false narratives", and then you start talking about understanding logic.

Dude, there is an active investigation for the Russia-Trump Campaign collusion, a Grand Jury has been enpaneled, ffs; that right there is a scandal on its own.

The only ones saying Mueller's probe is exclusively focused on Trump/Russia are the media and their retarded followers. The probe was opened to investigate all instances of collusion with Russia, including the Clinton campaiogn.

So you're one that believes that they're secretly going after Clinton instead? Since you mentioned logic, what line of reasoning brought you to that? Do you have evidence of this, as well as evidence that there's no Trump/Russia collusion (you said this, despite the ongoing investigation)? Or, are you just going with the narrative that you want to believe?

Look at the lawyers brought in to help with the probe. All are connected to Clinton. Trump interviewed Mueller the day before he was appointed special counsel. Perhaps all of these individuals were given pardons in exchange for their help in prosecuting. That seems pretty logical to me.

These people who are arguing with you, who are here in r/conspiracy seem to be carrying a lot of water for the establishment/deep-state.

It's odd how there's so many votes for their comments automatically and yet yours are downvoted?

The narrative he is pushing is actually the same narrative of CNN and MSNBC. So we have establishment shills hanging out in conspiracy pushing the same info you find if you turn on news. You can't convince them, they are brainwashed or have been duped.

Who exactly are you claiming is a shill or brainwashed?

Ill tell you this: the NSA has every phone call, text, email every member of trump's cabinet has sent in the last 15 years. This includes trump, and his family, as well as any and all business associates. This is not just in the US but also likely the world.

If there were any true collusion in the sense of it being any different than say AIPAC's or Saudi Arabia's standard practice or bribery.. If there were anything that were outside of that playbook, Obama and his officials would have stepped in.

You know back in November last year when Obama met with Putin he didn't even bring up this meddling? You know his interview when Obama said this whole Russia meddling "is behind us"?

It's because it's a big fucking farce and you know it.

Being that he NSA has all communications, they simply just pull those records and they WILL find collusion, but it's standard collusion. The kind that is above board and not this treasonous shit.

There's no fucking question why Washington DC is one of the richest places in the country and world, and it's not just because the govt pays a high salary.

There is legalized bribery that is going on. The elections are rigged but not in the way that's being presented ie: Russian "hacking" rofl it's so laughable it's a joke and so is anyone who believes it.

Did you also know that we openly admitted in meddling in Russia's election by the way? We got Yeltsin elected and openly admit to helping. The cognitive dissonance and double standard people have is absolutely disgusting.

Ok so you didn't answer my question even. Instead you just throw a wall of text about your theories.

If there were any true collusion in the sense of it being any different than say AIPAC's or Saudi Arabia's standard practice or bribery.. If there were anything that were outside of that playbook, Obama and his officials would have stepped in.

I'm not seeing the line of reasoning here.

You know back in November last year when Obama met with Putin he didn't even bring up this meddling? You know his interview when Obama said this whole Russia meddling "is behind us"?

What does this have to do with Trump?

There is legalized bribery that is going on. The elections are rigged but not in the way that's being presented ie: Russian "hacking" rofl it's so laughable it's a joke and so is anyone who believes it.

Do you have any actual evidence, or is that just your opinion/feelings? Just saying something is a laughable joke is not evidence. It just discounts opinions that aren't yours.

I believe in legal bribery, but I'm guessing you and I think different people are being bribed.

Did you also know that we openly admitted in meddling in Russia's election by the way? We got Yeltsin elected and openly admit to helping. The cognitive dissonance and double standard people have is absolutely disgusting.

What does us meddling in Russia's election have to do with Trump's collusion investigation?

The cognitive dissonance and double standard people have is absolutely disgusting.

Yeah, because people like you come in here calling everyone else names because they don't believe what you do, but you provide no evidence.

I'll reiterate this simply for you since you seemed to have missed it.

The NSA have every email, phone call, and text of every communication of everyone who is under investigation. If there was something there, it would have been found and presented already.

This trump/Russia thing is a big ruse. They are accusing him of a crime with 0 evidence except what the MSM (and you) are saying.

Yeah, it's a big ruse to deflect away from the real issues of deep state pizzagate and why you wake up every morning with a sore anus.

Totally deflect, did not contribute anything to argument except attempt to muddy the water and give off overtly rapey vibes and dismissing allegations of mass child abusers.

You guys are the worst.

whatever, pedo.

I'll reiterate this simply for you since you seemed to have missed it.

So you address none of my comment again and just re-iterate your beliefs. You're contributing nothing beyond what you think is right.

If there was something there, it would have been found and presented already.

Why? Who says it had to have happened already? Who says it's not evidence in the investigation? There's no evidence or reason to believe that it would've happened already and is too late.

This trump/Russia thing is a big ruse. They are accusing him of a crime with 0 evidence except what the MSM (and you) are saying.

Let ME reiterate. You have no evidence of this. If you can't support your claims, stop making them. There's an ongoing investigation, so you literally have no idea what they do/don't have. You're spreading disinformation.

You are the one with zero evidence and are just parroting what Trump fans are saying.

You are quite wise, my new friend

Thanks brother.

The facts are the facts. Some people like this guy are just too dense to see it. Can only get his info from CNN/MSNBC

That sounds far fetched to me, but assuming that's one possibility, it still isn't a logical road to claim, "Trump/Russia collusion still has no evidence". It's an ongoing investigation. I don't know how many times it can be said to you, but you can't make claims that there's no evidence until the investigation is concluded.

The funny thing is if it were a real investigation there would be so many inside leaks about the investigation. That's not how the DOJ or FBI have ever operated.

Pizzagate still hasn't been "debunked."

The crux of that conspiracy theory was a "pedophile code" chart that claimed to match phrases like "walnut sauce" and "peanut" to pedophile terms in Podseta's leaked emails. It was entirely fabricated, invented by a random person on /pol/. That's what got the ball started.

There you go! Done! Debunked in 30 seconds!

So entirely fabricated that they were able to frame the Podesta brothers for an 'ecclectic' taste in art. So entirely fabricated that the Pegasus Museum doesn't exist and is a Russian psyop. So entirely fabricated that Obama never had 65k of 'hotdogs' flown in from Chicago. So entirely fabricated that John Podesta never suggested Denny Hastert flee to a random island in Japan, or when James Alefantis said in an interview that he'd never met John Podesta, and only knew Tony as an acquaintance....but is signing emails to Podesta with xoxo? Comon give me a break man, saying that Pizzagate began and ended with the 4chan code is like leaving a baseball game after the first pitch is a ball.

Can't believe you got downvoted for this... Actually I can. It's astonishing how what you just said which is 100% correct and just saying certain things haven't been proven, it's amazing how much you got downvoted. Straight up bots. This place is as rotten as politics.

It's getting worse and it's mildly infuriating. I could understand if it were opposition looking to have a logical debate, but these people are outright lying and misleading conversations and nobody is stopping them (looking at you mods).

Yeah the mods are basically unable to do anything.

Hell, you'll even get banned for calling someone a shill, even if they are. Reddit as a whole has been compromised and ultimately services the misinformation machine.

So the platform is meant to allow mass manipulation and bot brigades and each subsequent community doesn't really have the tools to keep that from happening because the site as a whole thrives off of the manipulation. So reddit will keep falling more and more, as most threads now are just bots agreeing with bots and dupes.

There are small subreddits that exist though where you can still have conversations. Unfortunately this sub is infested.

Somehow despite having 400k subscribers, most posts don't reach over a thousand karma and the comments in the comments sections are all deep-state shills. Where are all the free thinkers?

If you find the sub for free thinkers, PM it to me please. I'm tired of this bullshit. Got ruled 10 yesterday! The fucker was a shill too. Mods have lost complete control, or have too much.

The fucker was a shill too

Any actual evidence of this, or were they just saying mean things about Trump?

No actual evidence, but how do you prove this? The poster kept circumventing the actual conversation to just spew political rhetoric, MSM viewpoints, etc. There was nothing original or intelligent in anything he said, plus a continued focus on steering the conversation away from the actual discussion

but how do you prove this

Idk, you're the one who made the claim.

I had a lengthy written out rebuttal calling out the insane hilarity of this part:

The poster kept circumventing the actual conversation to just spew political rhetoric, MSM viewpoints, etc. There was nothing original or intelligent in anything he said, plus a continued focus on steering the conversation away from the actual discussion

in /r/conspiracy. A sub where every conversation about Trump/Russia gets hijacked into a Clinton email/Benghazi/Ukraine/uranium argument.

Then I actually went back and found the thread where you got rule 10 called on you.

It was a regular argument. He didn't divert to any MSM viewpoints that weren't on topic. You're literally calling him a shill just because you don't agree with him. That doesn't make you enlightened, it makes you, at best, lazy, and at worst, stupid.

Grow up and learn to have a disagreement with another human being without assuming they could only disagree with you because they're paid to do so. Grown ups disagree with each other, it's a part of life. It will be ok. Not everyone who disagrees with you is part of some grand conspiracy to get you.

The point of the original post was discussion around whether or not removing historical artifacts is an Orwellian style maneuver as illustrated in the book 1984. Delving into historical facts regarding the reason they were placed there is irrelevant as is Lee's viewpoints on them. The rationale for them being there has zero basis on whether or not removing them is potentially an attempt to rewrite history. My comments focused on the topics at hand. His comments were a repeated campaign regarding why they should be removed. Whether or not these statutes are right, moral, racist, or should be removed again has zero basis on whether or not this is an attempt to change history. His discussions, while well researched and written, were a campaign that reflects the views of today's left wing. To shill is to campaign or promote a person or a concept in case you were curious. I did lose my temper somewhat as this continued focus was completely off topic and quite frankly annoying, and due to emotions my posts seem childish in response. However, I still stand my my initial claim. By definition he was shilling a concept that was not part of the subject matter. This was a diversion, a well written and educated diversion no less, from the topic at hand.

Out of curiosity why do you care? More importantly, why should I care what you think of a discussion you were not a part of?

shilling a concept that was not part of the subject matter

That's not what shilling means. Shilling claims he got paid to make that argument against you. Regardless of whether it was on or off topic.

I care only because your claim of encountering a shill yesterday piqued my curiosity. As someone who has been active in this sub for 3+years, it's my biggest pet peeve. We've built a ridiculous snowglobe for fanboys of certain political persuasions, and if their opinions are ever challenged, they simply scream "Shill" like it's the new "REEEEEEEE". A sub that used to be primarily research driven discussion (admittedly, mostly crazy at times) has divulged into an ear plugging "I can't hear you" contest. It's obnoxious.

In hindsight, I honestly think you just misused the term shill in this context. Seems like a pretty legit discussion where someone may have veered too far off topic for your tastes.

I obviously don't agree with your opinion regarding our discussion, but I can understand your viewpoint. On another note, I feel this sub has veered too far off course. I dropped off Reddit about a year ago after being active for a long time. I jumped back on to try to gain some insight/hear theories into what in the hell is going on in the world outside of what MSM tells us. The last 120 days or so have taught me that this sub, among others, is a completely different world than it used to be. It used to be a forum to bounce ideas off of original thinkers regarding topics not mainstream. It unfortunately is not anymore IMO, thus the comment that piqued your interest. I can empathize with your curiosity as I've spent my "second life" on Reddit trying to figure out what the hell happened here! Incidentally i'm probably going to unsubscribe. I can turn on the tube to hear most of these "original ideas". I never knew that compensation was a prerequisite to shill. It makes sense as I'm guessing the word is derived from the English coin. Here's Websters definition in case your curious. Take care.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shill

pepper in some comey/mueller slander

funny how it only comes up when they become a thorn in trumps side. almost like theres some org STILL doing opposition research and social media manipulation for a sitting president

I know, it's so unfair people slander Mueller for being appointed FBI director the week before 9/11 and then helping to cover it up.

hes so good at his job it only took him a week to plan 9/11 but its taken him OVER a week to achieve his agenda of proving trump is shady (hard to do because he is clean as a whistle, no ties to foreign oligarchs or the mob)!

Sad mueller is omnipotent/and/or/ineffective!

Are you defending people who covered up 9/11... on a conspiracy sub?

i dont think mueller did cover up 9/11. and I think you are smearing mueller for partisan reasons....on a conspiracy sub??

So you think Mueller investigated 9/11 and found nothing suspicious? WTC7 just fell down, even though it wasn't hit by a plane? Mueller thought that seemed legit? Do you think that seems legit?

I think Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the other Bush were behind 9/11. How am I partisan, exactly?

who is corrupt in the current white house?

manafort?

flynn?

trump himself?

kushner and ivanka and friends selling products/property/influence abroad in exchange for influence and the presidents ear?

You deflecting from Mueller and 9/11?

For anyone curious why UnverifiedAllegation brought up those other people:

Flynn told Turkey he'd turn over the CIA asset who tried to stage the Turkish coup, and he publicly and privately called out pedophiles.

Manafort was working with the democratically elected government of Ukraine to resist a CIA/deep state funded coup by neo-nazis carrying tiki torches (remind anyone of Charlottesville).

Kushner is close family friends with Bibi Netanyahu. Personally I do not trust or like him and want to know why he paid so much to buy 666 5th Ave.

All of these people are into shady international business deals, many with geopolitical ramifications. Just like every other international businessman and politician. But the reason it's totally not ok for them to do it when Clinton and Bush and Nixon and Kissinger and everyone else did, is because they're doing it against, not with, the CIA.

You're complaining about someone deflecting from your own deflection.

no i brought them up because a hopeless partisan/possible shill has no problem talking shit about irrelevant people, but wants to further the agenda of those currently in power. thats why i want to know who you currently might have shady links.

9/11?

Lmao your comments are negative for shedding lighter on 9/11 conspiracies on r/con.

What timeline is this?

Check the New queue, and you'll see what they're trying to hide.

This sub is shill central anymore. Sorry to see the downvotes. He also advocated for the war in Iraq. He's a deep state player.

I'm just glad information is still getting out, although the signal to noise ratio has hit insane levels, right around when Assange likened Charlottesville to the Ukranian coup. I mean, do these people really think the vote manipulation is fooling anyone?

They must. The checks keep clearing :D

It's not "t_d," though they obviously operate there. It is probably a collection of professional trolls based in Brooklyn. They seem to have gotten their start many years ago in the Bitcoin community.

Since then, they have gone from trolling conspiracy forums (over staged events), to trolling the US elections, to Pizzagate, to Russia-gate, to now "Nazis".

its as if there is no significant difference between how republicans and democrats operate.

btw, what happened with N Korea. Last week I thought Nuclear war is any minute now, and today nobody is even talking about it.

North Korea, I believe, is preparing missiles now. Talk has quieted down, but if they were going to strike around Guam, it wouldn't be until closer to the end of the month.

ah good so it can wait.

Why distract with 2 things at once instead of one? They can always use the 2nd at a later time.

I found that they had no strategy for a little while. It kinda let up as Trump made a complete racist buffoon of himself. Waiting for orders, waiting... ok the new script is out. Brigade!

People keeps saying things like this, how did Trump show compassion for white supremacy?

By comparing them to the counter protesters, and saying both are at fault, when only the white supremacists are by definition hateful and violent.

Oh fuck off, I've watch plenty of livestreams of events where Antifa were the violent aggressors. They've put many people, including innocent bystanders, hospitals.

I will not fuck off.

Counter protesters? They went to cause a scene and got exactly what they wanted. It's just being spun as a neo-nazi attack because it makes a good headline. We'll see what the investigation uncovers as he is given his due process of law.

So you deny the alt right staged a racist protest? And you seem to be saying that those peaceful protesters deserved to be hurt? Come back to reality.

I see two sides fighting each other in the videos. It's definitely not a one sided conflict.

what faction was the driver of the car with?

I agree, comparing them to the counter protesters was in very poor taste.
Neo nazis did nothing to deserve this comparison, they were peaceful and well behaved, whereas antifa's only purpose was to brawl and instigate violence. Antifa got that girl killed, they should be ashamed of themselves

Kinda like when a girl gets raped because she couldn't keep her legs together? You're blaming the victim, which is pretty fucked up. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, considering your name.

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, considering your name.

Is there something I'm missing about eldritch abominations?

lol unsure

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about

That makes two of us.

holy shit hot take. white supremacists deserve no blame for what happened in charlottesville huh? those poor white boys dindunuffin?

das rite, they a good boi

A white guy runs over a white girl, nazi everywhere lol.

• after another white male assaults the first's vehicle with a flagpole while his allies surround the car

Just because you keep repeating that doesn't make it true.

Words to remember.

NEWSFLASH: The Nazis in WW2 killed between 50 million to more than 80 million, mostly white civilians. If you think being white protects you from the (neo)Nazis, you've already drunk the kool-aid or didn't study your history.

Really?

Whenever anything bad happens on the right, this sub gets hit pretty hard with pro trump related things. I noticed this a lot during the Flynn ordeal. I commented on some of them, only calling out the pretty obvious bullshit accounts. Oddly enough, a lot of of those accounts are now deleted. I'm entirely sure it goes both ways, but here are some examples of my claims.

1. http://imgur.com/a/KxtHO

2. http://imgur.com/a/kblyc

3. http://imgur.com/a/VDGox

4. http://imgur.com/a/yolDd

5. http://imgur.com/a/S1kGw

I mean hell, these is just from a few days ago regarding current events.

1. http://imgur.com/a/6wqYc

2. http://imgur.com/a/30GLK

What does having no capacity for critical thought, believing that we faked the moon landing, and being a Trump supporter have in common?

Being a complete fucking moron. The people who visit this subreddit are extreme low hanging fruit for propaganda.

So you're a moron, is what you're saying?

The people who visit this subreddit are extreme low hanging fruit for propaganda.

So what are you doing here then, genius?

It's entertaining.

There's a direct correlation between gullibility and wokeness.

thank you for tracking this. ive definitely seen the trend but its nice to see it plain as day

they always delete posts and threads so its harder to track their work, identify an agenda theyre spamming, and so they can pivot positions whenever it suits the narrative of the moment (we love flynn/manafort>trump barely knew them)

also one of their deflection techniques is "please provide proof of FSB/CA/right wing shills, we KNOW ctr exists" and if they delete their content its harder to track. Trump shared fake news from a podium, and that story is no longer posted at its original location.

I tag them with RES. There have been days when the ENTIRE FRONT PAGE of this subreddit is filled with tagged users.

i need to start tagging the submitters of threads, because if I was running a trollfarm, I think the best way to control discussion is to control the subject of the thread. spamming the front page and upvoting your threads seems to be happening here.

its really clear on twitter, where a huge network of bots all follow each other and all hashtag and retweet each other, creating the impression of a huge following for things like fire mcmaster or whoever the fuck donald trump is mad at today.

Hes got somebody on his campaign team directing those things, i dont think hes smart enough to run that on his own. he fucking retweeted a bot lol

they always delete posts and threads so its harder to track their work

No better way to shape thought than using amorphous actors.

Oh I wish it was just such simple reactions.

The right wing does something bad. The rest of them find ways to downplay it or blame the left wing. Or when they can't, they'll just say "but what about obama/hillary?".

Literal nazis at a rally kill someone? Better blame the left for 'attacking' them.

I don't see this from the left ever. Their approach seems to be 'oh the left did something bad? better just ignore it entirely' or discuss it lightheartedly.

The DNC lost the election. It was Russia's fault!

That's a pretty big one to overlook. And talking to Russia about getting dirt on a candidate is a terrible excuse (since it was real dirt).

Literally any time anything happens at all:

ITS RELATED TO PIZZAGATE!!!

Both sides are stupid.

What a great citizen reporter u r.

I wonder if Trump/Russia will ever go come full steam

Member when the Illinois governor was tired of gays shoving it down our throats?

False narrative? Dozen per hour? Most trump/russia threads end up in controversial.

At the same time, there's no point in keep posting old news concerning trump/russia. So if it's quiet for a while its cause there's no new news... doesnt mean it dissapeared.

Yea, there was a terror attack. Which always gets alot of attention on conspiracy. Either way, most threads on conspiracy were 4chan "proof" pinning it on other people. Including an innocent man.

Why do threads like these keep popping up? There's always several a week.

its a good thing there is less public trump russia stuff. Most people have calmed down because of the appointing of a special investigator. And I think most leakers have someone besides the press to go to.

That shit should never have been investigated in the public like that, and it only was because the people at the top were doing everything in their power to obstruct. Trump wanted to fire sessions because he recused himself! fucking transparent

These threads are popping up because this sub is being brigaded by bots and trolls.

Just as politics suddenly got corrupted overnight, this sub is infested with pro-establishment shills.

When conspiracy sub starts to resemble the MSM, meaning Trump/Russia and crazy Nazi shit, then we know it's been compromised. If you go against those messages you will be downvoted into oblivion. Same like any other subreddit basically nowadays. That's the conspiracy.

Exactly right.

They went to the same place the Seth Rich posts went.

You really think everything that's been happening with the KKK and neo-Nazis is a "false narrative?" What's wrong with you? You can't really be that stupid.....

Also, every week there's massive new developments in the Trump/Russia thing.

Seems to me like you're a massive partisan tool.

Not at all. You follow the news? You really don't think the people being paid more than everyone you know (and smarter too) aren't orchestrating the narrative on either side in any way? You are totally lost in the illusion friend..

You don't know who I know ;)

What kind of edgy response is that? I know quite a few people as well. That had no depth to it whatsoever. I doubt you can keep up a discussion now - was just trying to have a debate..

Wasn't trying to be edgy.

Here's the deal. I'm sure there are people orchestrating things on both sides, sure, but one side ended up with Nazi flags, saluting Hitler and chanting Nazi slogans. That really sucks for them because forever they are worse than anyone on the other side, because now their opponents are anti-Nazi, which is a pretty good side to be on.

Also, Russia, a lot of people in the Trump admin have been proven to be colluding with them to some degree..... there's no denying that.

I agree with you, but I think the real issues are bigger than both of those. Whatever is being plastered on the TV screens is (to me) a blatant indication of what I shouldn't be focusing on. Since the Greeks has entertainment and drama been used to control the masses and since then continuously to today. I don't even think it can be disputed that that was the case back then, so how could it be different now?

The most common forms of communicating with society is through TV, radio, and internet. I'm sure all the things they talk about are problems but they are almost certainly not the real problems. I believe there are things that are the root of these issues that are rarely (if ever) addressed. These things are fruits of the rotten tree but we have to trace it back. Specifically I believe corruption within secret societies (not any illuminati type stuff but actual deep state connections) are what causes this.

I can fully get behind that. Thanks for your point of view

Cool, I'm glad I was able to write my thoughts out, helped me as well. Have a good day lol

Very good observation.

cool make it public

After I learn as much as I can about their behavior, I absolutely will, along with with I learned.

People talk about the hot topics, what else is new.

You angered the shills with this post. Nice.

Or they're responding to naturally shifting news cycles?

Exactly. Imagine if I said " look they are not posting Seth rich stories ever hour anymore that must me it's all fake!"

I'ma steal this thought.

People actually don't get that emotional about more than one thing at once. If you really want to rile people up, give them one thing at a time to hate.

And between Russia and Nazies there was North Korea.

Holy shit. People are talking current events!

Fear and hate. Fear and hate. They know your emotions manifest reality. Its called control you ducking idiots.

multiple storylines in the shill world is probably like overtime and we know democrats like the undocumented worker wage rates.

I don't see how the Russia connection and the equivocating on neo-nazis are mutually exclusive.

I mean, I don't really see the neo-nazi thing as a conspiracy as much as a moral failing, but it certainly doesn't obliterate the possibility (or liklihood) of Russian machinations.

I'm still waiting when we're going to have a discussion about all the possible things the government hid from us in the passed. like the stan myers water car.

LOL at this post. It's called news and people like things that are relevant, shocking I know

This is nothing new and neither is the moderator's imability to do anything about it. The top posted of this thread is a shill with multiple alt/sockpuppets. I know that with a certainty. Want to spot a shill? Get the reddit app and tag around a dozen people over the course of a day - only accounts yiou are 95% sure are shills.

Then tomorrow, sort through top and then controversial and you'll see 2 to 3 of the tagged shills in every single trump/cnn/neo-nazi thread. It is transparent when you know what to look for.

And at this point, i'm not even sure that the mods aren't equally complicit in running don't the sub.

I'm using the Reddit app, how do I tag users? I only know how to tag users on desktop.

I actually meant the chrome enhancement suite for chrome. I'm not sure about mobile. If you'd like, I can PM you a few shills to get you started tagging. They reappear and circlejerk in each others' "discussions" and it's incredible how much I have learned by seeing their pattern.

Okay yeah I have RES on my desktop but I wish there was a way to tag people of mobile. Definitely pm me your list though.

R/politics is an anti trump circle jerk. I didn't vote for the guy, and I don't much care for him, but there are tremendously bigger problems right now. I don't understand how 90% of their comments are "civil" discussion.

/r/politics. For future reference, subreddit links only work with a lower case 'R' on desktop.

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They don't want to discuss the recent news about Peter Strzok and the Russia probe.

No you just have a small attention span. The manfort story about him knowing about a meeting with putin came out and a story about mueller needing protection came out. Russia is still happening, right now the best lawyers in the US are quietly forming a strategy to take down the biggest traitor the US. Has ever seen.

Or you know, the one side has gotten their hands and wallets into reddit.

You find it hard to grasp that when a new event occurs, everyone would rather talk about that than something that currently has no news associated with it? It's been all of 5 days, there have been plenty of 5 day breaks in Russia news before. People would rather talk and speculate about racism and Confederate statues because, wow, someone died less than a week ago?

Sometimes people here are always looking at a microscopic level and missing the basic common sense details. People like talking about news. Conspiracy!

Ohhh you triggered the TMoR with this one.

GJ

been paying attention to current events?

Thank you for posting this. I couldn't agree more and it was obvious to anyone with enough of an attention span to keep looking at it once the new terror-hype started.

We all know the amount of "truth" in comment sections these days, so don't let these "totally real conspiracy subreddit users" get you down.

You mean like how you guys can only do one fake conspiracy like pizzagate or Seth Rich at a time

An opinion piece by a Russian journalist says to pay no attention to Russia...

In my opinion it was a false flag designed to further divide our nation but we can agree to disagree

This was the first time this group had gathered in Charlottesville this year. There wasn't any violence until ANTIFA began throwing rocks at people and cars.

Oh fuck off, I've watch plenty of livestreams of events where Antifa were the violent aggressors. They've put many people, including innocent bystanders, hospitals.

Counter protesters? They went to cause a scene and got exactly what they wanted. It's just being spun as a neo-nazi attack because it makes a good headline. We'll see what the investigation uncovers as he is given his due process of law.

I agree, comparing them to the counter protesters was in very poor taste.
Neo nazis did nothing to deserve this comparison, they were peaceful and well behaved, whereas antifa's only purpose was to brawl and instigate violence. Antifa got that girl killed, they should be ashamed of themselves

what did flynn want immunity for

why was manafort raided

Kinda like when a girl gets raped because she couldn't keep her legs together? You're blaming the victim, which is pretty fucked up. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, considering your name.

holy shit hot take. white supremacists deserve no blame for what happened in charlottesville huh? those poor white boys dindunuffin?

Uh huh. Where does that say that Fusion set up the meeting?

http://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-russian-lawyer-steele-dossier-natalia-veselnitskaya-gps-fusion-a7834541.html

The US passed the Magnitsky Act in 2012 to target those Russians allegedly behind Mr Magnitsky’s death.

The act has reportedly been a source of deep anguish to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who responded by ending American adoptions of Russian children.

Mr Veselnitskaya has for several years been leading a campaign to have the act overturned. As part of her effort she allegedly hired GPS Fusion.

How do you see Fusion GPS as being the ones setting up the meeting?

if you want to share any links ill take the time to read them

People on this sub won't agree with you. People that really know how the world works don't visit this sub anymore. let the lost people argue and pretend to have seen past the dramatic play TPTB put on for us..

Pretty telling that you don't dispute the fact that the Dems committed acts 25x worse huh?

i dont agree with that number, just pointing out your own hypocrisy and how your perception of how the govt works breaks down nicely along partisan lines. bringing something very complex into something easily understood. good guys bad guys. my side good. their side bad

Unlike you, I don't have to cover up and lie about my beliefs. Coward.

I don't. I live in DC and everyone knows I'm a gay conservative. I don't hide behind anything, and one dealt with a lot more bigoted bullshit than you ever have.

I'm using the Reddit app, how do I tag users? I only know how to tag users on desktop.

I actually meant the chrome enhancement suite for chrome. I'm not sure about mobile. If you'd like, I can PM you a few shills to get you started tagging. They reappear and circlejerk in each others' "discussions" and it's incredible how much I have learned by seeing their pattern.

You are such a shameless bullshitter. That fuck in the Challenger sure as hell wasn't nonviolent when he purposely rammed into a crowd of people.

shilling a concept that was not part of the subject matter

That's not what shilling means. Shilling claims he got paid to make that argument against you. Regardless of whether it was on or off topic.

I care only because your claim of encountering a shill yesterday piqued my curiosity. As someone who has been active in this sub for 3+years, it's my biggest pet peeve. We've built a ridiculous snowglobe for fanboys of certain political persuasions, and if their opinions are ever challenged, they simply scream "Shill" like it's the new "REEEEEEEE". A sub that used to be primarily research driven discussion (admittedly, mostly crazy at times) has divulged into an ear plugging "I can't hear you" contest. It's obnoxious.

In hindsight, I honestly think you just misused the term shill in this context. Seems like a pretty legit discussion where someone may have veered too far off topic for your tastes.

I don't what?