I believe that Hollywood has historically put out a ton of shitty movies, but they have invested a lot of time, money, and talent into the marvel ones to make sure that they are a step above
Think about DC or Universal Monster movies. DC movies are constantly bombing either financially or critically but has the same imaginative universe as Marvel while Universal Monster pictures l, like the Mummy reboot for starters, fail and more than likely there will not be anymore monster films which could have been real competition for Disney/Marvel
There is a creative team, Marvel Studios, that manages everything in the MCU, that's why there's a consistency throughout all the movies and shows. Disney doesn't really mess with them and because they've been so successful, they can retain the talented writers and over-arching storyline creators. DC doesn't have that. Silly monster movies don't have that. Star Wars does, and the new Star Wars movies have been box office and critical successes
You would think that people would learn from these examples......in the case of DC, I'm hopeful they will
Those silly monster movies were once the biggest draw in Hollywood like Marvel is now
Actors/writers go where the money is, like in pro sports. Disney has a monopoly and people fall for the same dribble that the studios put out
Look how well those movies did. The last Fantastic Four was horrible, there hasn't been a good X-Men film in years (not counting the Wolverine spin-offs)
It's less of a concerted conspiracy and more of Disney openly buying/owning franchises that purposely make movies which perform well in international markets.
Honestly... if only one source for movies could exist I'd prolly vote for the Marvel universe... like it has gotta have more variety than anything else that I can think of.
You know why, Vin Di Bona is the head of the Disney Crime Monopoly. And BTW Disney is pulling all Marvel features from Netflix and starting their own streaming service early 2018.
Star Wars and Marvel have one thing in common, Disney. It's a monopoly on Hollywood and fanboys that keep the same movies being made while something new is immediately discredited. We need new sagas in Hollywood, not the same. Star Wars was a remake of the original that capitalized on it's fanbase and nostalgia
Frankly star wars would have done well no matter what. Yes episode 7 didn't take risks particularly but they wanted to show that they were more in tune with the OT not the prequels. Rogue one took more risks (but had numerous issues as a film)
Why then did you complain about universal failing? They are just trying lazy reboots/ remakes.
And I disagree, new films aren't 'discredited'. Look at the Oscars, I notice star wars and marvel weren't headlining them...
Better a lazy reboot than the same movie time and time again. Discredited by the media and ticket buyers is my point. The marketing is all diverted to film studios like Marvel/Disney while you could probably count commercials for something other than superheroes on one hand.
You can't be serious surely? The marketing depends on the budget given to the studio, doesn't mean it'll do well if the film is trash (see alien covenant). Ticket buyers can do whatever the hell they want. What do you mean discredited by the media?
Dunkirk? One of the biggest and best received movies of the summer wasn't made by disney
You're drifting off topic. I'm claiming Hollywood focus most resources on Marvel because it's the hot thing today. Ticket buyers are mindless sheep that drift to the big explosions and want to be like everyone else. A monopoly is illegal but you can not deny most of Hollywood is controlled by Disney, it's just the nature of the beast. The Mummy had Tom Cruise who is still arguably one of the biggest stars in the world but still didn't get exposure because he didn't wear a iron suit or fly. I have no respect for any award show, if winning a Oscar is the basis of success, then the craft of being a filmmaker is dead. Point is this, Hollywood only cares about money and has a history of sabotaging any competition
Point about the oscars is that disney doesn't dominate
The mummy flopped because no one wanted a remake and it was a poorly made film. Tom cruise made it much more successful than it otherwise would have been. It had plenty of advertising, I don't believe you understand that you have to pay for marketing campaigns
You haven't provided any evidence of "sabotage", while ignoring my point of alien covenant.
Also you know what I can basically guarantee? That Saw legacy will open at number 1 because it is a well established franchise
The Mummy flopped because it wasn't Marvel and the Tom Cruise hate bandwagon has been played out, he's still Tom Cruise, a usual box office guarantee. When you called them 'silly' you made a case for my point. By you calling them silly, implies you don't care so you won't watch also its ironic to call monsters silly but praising Marvel. The evidence is all around you if you look past the rose colored glasses. Whatever Saw comes out will probably be successful financially because it's a safe movie, nothing new but the same formula that keeps the sheep in line
Dunkirk did very well at the cinema, far more talked about than any marvel film
Reply to the comment I said that, I've read all my comments again.
That isn't disney's fault, that's the fault of universal/poor direction/script. And I thought you said quality doesn't matter at all and it's a disney conspiracy?
It's a conspiracy post, not word of law but if you want to go serious then that's fine. People want superheroes and studios want money and no competition. Who owns most superheroes? Disney. Dunkirk is one movie, not a saga and if you remember I stated that a competing saga for Disney is bad for business. Disney has the money to have the best people/gear, it's buying the best and keeping them from other studios
But DC is trying. Yes they've had a rough start (though still take the cake with the dark knight) but if wonder woman is anything to go by then they should be competing properly soon enough. Also marvel does deserve the success. Their movies are pretty much all of a good standard.
And give it a couple of years and superhero movies will fade just as westerns did
Dude, I had a rebuttal for your points, it seems like you aren't understanding. Still not understanding why you think I don't understand advertising, I claimed Disney sabotages things, including advertising.
But DC is trying. Yes they've had a rough start (though still take the cake with the dark knight) but if wonder woman is anything to go by then they should be competing properly soon enough. Also marvel does deserve the success. Their movies are pretty much all of a good standard.
And give it a couple of years and superhero movies will fade just as westerns did
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1 swampsparrow 2017-08-22
I believe that Hollywood has historically put out a ton of shitty movies, but they have invested a lot of time, money, and talent into the marvel ones to make sure that they are a step above
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
Think about DC or Universal Monster movies. DC movies are constantly bombing either financially or critically but has the same imaginative universe as Marvel while Universal Monster pictures l, like the Mummy reboot for starters, fail and more than likely there will not be anymore monster films which could have been real competition for Disney/Marvel
1 swampsparrow 2017-08-22
There is a creative team, Marvel Studios, that manages everything in the MCU, that's why there's a consistency throughout all the movies and shows. Disney doesn't really mess with them and because they've been so successful, they can retain the talented writers and over-arching storyline creators. DC doesn't have that. Silly monster movies don't have that. Star Wars does, and the new Star Wars movies have been box office and critical successes
You would think that people would learn from these examples......in the case of DC, I'm hopeful they will
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
Those silly monster movies were once the biggest draw in Hollywood like Marvel is now Actors/writers go where the money is, like in pro sports. Disney has a monopoly and people fall for the same dribble that the studios put out
1 elcad 2017-08-22
DC's Wonder Woman was a massive hit. Unlike their former movie, Suicide Squad, which was an awful movie, but still made money.
1 campus_dweller 2017-08-22
Marvel is Disney, except for Spider-Man, X-Men properties, and FF who are Fox.
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
Look how well those movies did. The last Fantastic Four was horrible, there hasn't been a good X-Men film in years (not counting the Wolverine spin-offs)
1 campus_dweller 2017-08-22
It's less of a concerted conspiracy and more of Disney openly buying/owning franchises that purposely make movies which perform well in international markets.
IE highly visual/simple plots
1 Ninjakick666 2017-08-22
Honestly... if only one source for movies could exist I'd prolly vote for the Marvel universe... like it has gotta have more variety than anything else that I can think of.
1 HempCO719 2017-08-22
You know why, Vin Di Bona is the head of the Disney Crime Monopoly. And BTW Disney is pulling all Marvel features from Netflix and starting their own streaming service early 2018.
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
Disney is also taking their cartoons down as well. No one competes with Disney
1 HempCO719 2017-08-22
Reinforces the pedophilia narrative also. I don't want to get whacked so ima leave it like that
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
The mummy reboot was completely unwanted by people however. The late 90s films don't need remade (the first one especially)
And don't forget star wars did very well, why? Because the films are of a good quality with a loyal fanbase
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
Star Wars and Marvel have one thing in common, Disney. It's a monopoly on Hollywood and fanboys that keep the same movies being made while something new is immediately discredited. We need new sagas in Hollywood, not the same. Star Wars was a remake of the original that capitalized on it's fanbase and nostalgia
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
Frankly star wars would have done well no matter what. Yes episode 7 didn't take risks particularly but they wanted to show that they were more in tune with the OT not the prequels. Rogue one took more risks (but had numerous issues as a film)
Why then did you complain about universal failing? They are just trying lazy reboots/ remakes.
And I disagree, new films aren't 'discredited'. Look at the Oscars, I notice star wars and marvel weren't headlining them...
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
Better a lazy reboot than the same movie time and time again. Discredited by the media and ticket buyers is my point. The marketing is all diverted to film studios like Marvel/Disney while you could probably count commercials for something other than superheroes on one hand.
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
You can't be serious surely? The marketing depends on the budget given to the studio, doesn't mean it'll do well if the film is trash (see alien covenant). Ticket buyers can do whatever the hell they want. What do you mean discredited by the media?
Dunkirk? One of the biggest and best received movies of the summer wasn't made by disney
Care to answer my point about Oscars
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
You're drifting off topic. I'm claiming Hollywood focus most resources on Marvel because it's the hot thing today. Ticket buyers are mindless sheep that drift to the big explosions and want to be like everyone else. A monopoly is illegal but you can not deny most of Hollywood is controlled by Disney, it's just the nature of the beast. The Mummy had Tom Cruise who is still arguably one of the biggest stars in the world but still didn't get exposure because he didn't wear a iron suit or fly. I have no respect for any award show, if winning a Oscar is the basis of success, then the craft of being a filmmaker is dead. Point is this, Hollywood only cares about money and has a history of sabotaging any competition
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
Point about the oscars is that disney doesn't dominate
The mummy flopped because no one wanted a remake and it was a poorly made film. Tom cruise made it much more successful than it otherwise would have been. It had plenty of advertising, I don't believe you understand that you have to pay for marketing campaigns
You haven't provided any evidence of "sabotage", while ignoring my point of alien covenant.
Also you know what I can basically guarantee? That Saw legacy will open at number 1 because it is a well established franchise
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
The Mummy flopped because it wasn't Marvel and the Tom Cruise hate bandwagon has been played out, he's still Tom Cruise, a usual box office guarantee. When you called them 'silly' you made a case for my point. By you calling them silly, implies you don't care so you won't watch also its ironic to call monsters silly but praising Marvel. The evidence is all around you if you look past the rose colored glasses. Whatever Saw comes out will probably be successful financially because it's a safe movie, nothing new but the same formula that keeps the sheep in line
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
The mummy was menat to be a safe movie. It was shit so people didn't see it. You just massively undermined your own argument there.
Also I never called them silly, I would go and see them if reviews were good and it looked interesting, not for a tired reboot of a good film
Again what about dunkirk?
Could you actually adress my points rather than go running off inti the woods on a tangent?
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
I address points that are relevant and not ones that deviate from topic. My topic is monopoly, not quality....oh, you did say silly by the way
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
Dunkirk did very well at the cinema, far more talked about than any marvel film
Reply to the comment I said that, I've read all my comments again.
That isn't disney's fault, that's the fault of universal/poor direction/script. And I thought you said quality doesn't matter at all and it's a disney conspiracy?
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
It's a conspiracy post, not word of law but if you want to go serious then that's fine. People want superheroes and studios want money and no competition. Who owns most superheroes? Disney. Dunkirk is one movie, not a saga and if you remember I stated that a competing saga for Disney is bad for business. Disney has the money to have the best people/gear, it's buying the best and keeping them from other studios
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
But DC is trying. Yes they've had a rough start (though still take the cake with the dark knight) but if wonder woman is anything to go by then they should be competing properly soon enough. Also marvel does deserve the success. Their movies are pretty much all of a good standard.
And give it a couple of years and superhero movies will fade just as westerns did
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
If there is one definite thing about Hollywood, its that there will always be another fad
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
Ignoring my points much?
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
Ignoring my other points?
And? Not necessarily a bad thing, determined by people watching then in any case, not like some massive conspiracy
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
What points? I've addressed what needed to be addressed
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
You know, the numerous ones that undermine your claim there is a conspiracy to keep all disney films successful and no other can be.
You don't understand advertising clearly as well
DC, the quality of their recent films has let them down, I'm sure they will improve and then rival marvel
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
Dude, I had a rebuttal for your points, it seems like you aren't understanding. Still not understanding why you think I don't understand advertising, I claimed Disney sabotages things, including advertising.
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
Well it wasn't particularly strong then
'Claimed' yet you provide no evidence. How exactly do they sabotage advertising?
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
Evidence? It's a conspiracy lol not an actually theory. It seems like you have resorted to attacking me instead of continuing the debate
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
I'm not attacking you.
If you've got absolutely no evidence then it shouldn't be on here. There is some good stuff here but hard to filter through the trash such as this
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
Looks like I pissed you off. Relax, I'm not attacking Iron Man. Just trying to have a fun with a weird conspiracy conversation
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
What? I'm not pissed off at all. I've no idea why you got that impression
1 thrashed_96 2017-08-22
It was shit because it wasn't given the proper care that Marvel gets
1 scholarsystem 2017-08-22
Why is this being down voted so heavily??? This is an organic conspiracy!!!
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
But DC is trying. Yes they've had a rough start (though still take the cake with the dark knight) but if wonder woman is anything to go by then they should be competing properly soon enough. Also marvel does deserve the success. Their movies are pretty much all of a good standard.
And give it a couple of years and superhero movies will fade just as westerns did
1 Terex80 2017-08-22
You know, the numerous ones that undermine your claim there is a conspiracy to keep all disney films successful and no other can be.
You don't understand advertising clearly as well
DC, the quality of their recent films has let them down, I'm sure they will improve and then rival marvel