Why is there homelessness?
13 2017-08-23 by Deficatingdefender
I'm wondering why there is homelessness? There was one office building I worked in that was 75% empty for most of the ten years I worked there. Other office buildings are similarly under occupied. If you just assume conservatively that the tens if not hundreds of square feet of office space is almost always unoccupied then there should be shelter for a significant number of the homeless. This would make it easier to get treatment for the addicted and mentally ill, would make it easier to make sure they are nourished etc. They could do work for the local communities maybe for twenty hours a week. It would be easy to craft legislation that would make the utilization of under occupied building space accessible for the homeless. So why isn't it being done?
39 comments
1 LeuyHong 2017-08-23
Because $$$$$$$$
1 scaredshtlessintx 2017-08-23
Greed ruins the world
1 LeuyHong 2017-08-23
Its all just debt slavery and blood money. Your wages are enslaved by the Federal Reserve Central Bank (a private bank). They have profitted off all these endless wars and transfered the costs to the taxpayer and the war victims.
The Money Tyrants (aka (((Deep State))))are the main threat to mankind. They assassinated JFK, they killed Lincoln, and now they might do the same to Trump. They must be stopped before they doom humanity with their (((Globalist))) agenda.
We can start by sicking officer RICO agianst (((George Soros))):
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/declare-george-soros-terrorist-and-seize-all-his-related-organizations-assets-under-rico-and-ndaa-law
1 NEJATI11 2017-08-23
If money was non existent this world would be happier.
1 HempCO719 2017-08-23
We don't want no bums in our illustrious fortune 500 company lobby. I'm sure there is a nice underfunded, crowded shelter you might be able to make it into. No guarantees tho. First come first serve
1 crumblingempireinc 2017-08-23
I wonder this all of the time also, op. There are also way too many churches with very little attendance that could be utilized partially for homeless people. I know that brings issues with it, but so does anything about life.
1 Deficatingdefender 2017-08-23
The city I live in actually owned property that they proposed to build a shelter for homeless families but it abutted an affluent neighborhood. It was funny watching the contortions these affluent people went through to try to get the project shut down.
I even think if you could make the homeless invisible and undetectable they would still find a reason to object!
1 autorackboxcar 2017-08-23
Invite them to YOUR neighborhood, fuck let them sleep on your couch. Yeah that's what I thought. I oppose homeless shelter in my neighborhood too, the only way they can be built is to force them on an area, no neighborhood in North America wants one.
1 Deficatingdefender 2017-08-23
This was a facility for homeless families which was well planned and well designed. I have homeless 'living' in my neighborhood but not in any decent facility. They are on the street in bus shelters, on church doorsteps etc.
1 no1113 2017-08-23
Because this is a prison planet where the .01% PTB make sure and keep humanity as down and subservient as possible in order to keep taking advantage of the slaves (i.e. us - the 99%).
1 patience-yago 2017-08-23
My town offers 50 cots a night to the homeless but i gotta tell you.. most homeless people want to be. I know it sounds crazy but they truly do in most cases.
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2017-08-23
I'm sure most homeless people would like a locked room to rest their bones, sleeping with 50 other bums, of which might rob you or fart in your face in the middle of the night isn't as pleasant as it sounds.
1 patience-yago 2017-08-23
Well i volunteer at times and try to bring them goods here and there. I dont wanna self dox my city but we have a mid level famous homeless person here and she and others have denied housing. People can downvote my prior post all day and night but it just shows they have never helped the homeless. They all arent the same but most dont steal or hurt anyone and they wanna be left alone. They know where the police will let them hang out and where they cant.
1 patience-yago 2017-08-23
Also tbh... they arent bums. They choose that life. They dont collect govt entitlements and sit on their ass off your taxes. They wanna be off grid. That was a unfair shot.
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2017-08-23
Good point, the real bums are corporations leeching off the government.
1 Deficatingdefender 2017-08-23
When I was working with government grants for infrastructure projects the biggest 'bum' state was Wyoming! It took over 2 dollars for every dollar in taxes it paid! And of course you know who comes from Wyoming - Dick Cheney and Alan Simpson. Alan wants to take away your social security by the way and he gets really angry when people point out that he makes an incredibly good retirement income.
1 DonnaGail 2017-08-23
The people who own those buildings would have to be willing to do this.
1 Ninjakick666 2017-08-23
It's a threat to make you get a job...
1 Deficatingdefender 2017-08-23
Most could work for the community twenty hours a week. Some would not but I think most would. Picking up trash and inventorying community assets etc.
1 EyeOfTheBeast 2017-08-23
It is very ease to abuse and oppress the homeless, the more the merrier for the richest. Homeless people don't vote, and die early.
The national low income housing program was murdered by Nixon way back in 1970 when he stole the poverty funds and handed them out to his developer friends to use for their tax money stealing, "urban renewal," projects.
Urban renewal meaning remove public funded housing and replace it with pricey condos.
Then made permanent in the 1980s, with that lie, "the tax subsidized free market will provide the housing.
It isn't considered a failure that there is no housing for our poor, it was the goal and they don't even thank us for our tax money.
1 Armaedus 2017-08-23
Those offices are empty because they belong to someone and you, I, your neighbor, or the government cannot just start housing homeless people there. In the United States there is this thing called property rights.
Although I find it noble to want to solve homelessness, you have to face a reality. There is no system of government, no societal structure that will ever eliminate poverty and homelessness.
1 groman29 2017-08-23
What I'm hearing here is that property rights necessarily coerce the population into either servitude or homelessness.
1 Deficatingdefender 2017-08-23
Just in the metropolitan area I live in there is almost 500 million square feet of commercial space with a vacancy rate of about 12%. Multiply this by at least ten and there is 5 billion square feet of commercial space available in the US. If we devoted just one percent of this space to the homeless we could take 100,000 people off the street considering they need 500 ft² of space. You mean we can't even devote a measly one percent for the homeless? Even when the vacancy rates are above 10%?
1 Armaedus 2017-08-23
I'm not saying we can't, but since someone owns that property someone is going to have to pay the rent for those people to live there. Which basically means the government using public funds to line the pockets of corporate interests. Personally, I think we need less of that, not more.
1 Shared_Computer 2017-08-23
Dickens: Oliver Twist "Please Sir, may I have some more...."
In A Christmas Story Scrooge says, "Are there no prisons...union workhouses?"
The short answer is we have not changed very much, we're still heartless sons-a-bitches. Doesn't matter what justification these idiots come up with. We've entered the Vulture Capitalism stage in the decline of the United States because of the same Scrooge assholes: a fish rots from the head down. As we circle the drain, the cruelty will mount. As soon as you hit the skids you're not human anymore, you are a dispossessed "thing".
We spend a Trillion Dollars a year as Israel's Golem, and pay them 3 Billion a year for the privilege. Detroit, poison water gets zip, nada.
The wealth is being extracted and given to the 1% by the Federal Reserve (which is neither). It's gonna get worse. Most of the money that could be used for homeless is going for head stomping goons and bombs.
1 Deficatingdefender 2017-08-23
My profession dealt with Infrastructure and as soon as a major sports team's owner started whining that he was going to throw a tantrum the city backed down and we had to spend money for the infrastructure supporting his facilities. We had a developer who actually made 'memorandum of agreement commitments' but when he found out they were too expensive he somehow got out of doing them. There had to be corruption because no developer would just do this on his own without some guarantee.
I worked with a lot of dispossessed "things" and most were high level. The things they did were shameful and all to impress their bosses. They had no problem stomping on colleagues who couldn't defend themselves. I wonder what they tell their children when they get home from work. "Today I hurt a person who couldn't defend themselves".
1 Shared_Computer 2017-08-23
I too was ground into grist by my job, quit twice when we were robbing little old ladies by "package selling". We simply wouldn't offer an economical choice but we'd sure as hell sell her a "package" (read stealing). Went back got to the highest pay for non management, always kept my nose clean. Retired the month the Fed took interest to zero. I had calculated before that that I could live the rest of my life off interest, twas not to be, getting down to my last dollars. Nobody says "Hey Fed! I want my forgone interest reimbursed!" Fuckers one and all!
1 OVERGROUND7 2017-08-23
It goes back to who conquered and owned the land originally. The militaries of the old oligarchies. You have to be able to the buy the land from them in order to make at least a shack on it.
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2017-08-23
Capitalism.
1 ConspiracyAccount 2017-08-23
If you look at it in terms of individual rights, you cannot force someone to do what they do not want to do. The owners of the buildings do not want to give them up, in this case. To do otherwise would be theft.
They would be more willing to give them up if there were incentives to do so. There are not.
1 Deficatingdefender 2017-08-23
I'm not talking about theft. The community would reimburse them for that space either through tax credits or an actual payment. Makes no difference either way.
1 Deathbytiger 2017-08-23
You also need to realize there's people who don't want help and want to be on the streets.
1 boating_mama 2017-08-23
Its more like they won't accept help on the terms offered by the shelters: take psychiatric meds that you can't afford and have terrible side effects, stay sober (the only comfort they have in such a terrible situation) etc. Utah is having amazing success with the chronic homeless by simply giving them a place to live with no strings attached. Turns out, people are much more able and willing to sober up, etc when they have a stable home.
1 Solitude_is_power 2017-08-23
Because we are not free we are only free to be slaves. the government has decided it owns what it did not create aka the land. It is not like the old times where people create their own homes on land that is unoccupied and create their own communities and survive off of local resources. We are all slaves with a limited degree of freedom given to us by government. The class structure was created to keep people at war with one another as they live in diffetrent level of comforts always at odds with one another without realizing the extent of their government enslavement. The police have arrested a girls parents because she was selling lemonade for 25 cents a cup with no business license and you wanna tell me we are fucking free? rflmao free to be slaves. The nature of the enslavement has shifted but the goal remains the same.
1 autorackboxcar 2017-08-23
It used to be a crime, vagrancy, now society lets them camp. Check out Skid Row in LA its a huge tent city. If they are mentally ill they should be forced to take their meds. Addicted? 30 days in solitary cures all addictions.
I am sick of having to dodge hobo feces and needles on my walk to work to one of my three jobs. I pay taxes so they don't have to, they can mooch off me. I stayed away from addictive drugs and moderated my drinking and kept a good credit rating. Now I am being punished for being responsible and have to pay for the bums who lived a reckless life.
To answer your question most office building are zoned for commercial you cant turn them into apartments, hotels, or homeless shelters.
Homelessness is a lifestyle choice and I have no reason to feel guilty about it. Also I don't want to support the parasitic homeless industry. That is the army of outreach workers, addiction specialists, social workers, counselors, etc etc. I read an article about how each homeless person in my city costs the tax payer 100 thousand a year in shelters and costs for the all the homeless industry workers. Do you think those people want the homeless to get homes? I think they want the job security. My rent only totals 12 grand a year, why are the taxpayers paying hundred thousand and these people are still in shelters? Put them in apartments and treat them like retards by paying their rent for them, give them very little money because they can't handle it. Handing them a welfare check is a poor way to do it, they can't handle it. If they can't handle an apartment because they are too crazy put them in a mental hospital. Wandering the streets with major mental illness isn't the solution
1 Deficatingdefender 2017-08-23
So you are basically giving up on trying to help your fellow man and that they deserve their misery. Let's just kill them. I think many homeless would prefer this than their miserable existence. And it would cost the taxpayers much less than it does now.
Also - homelessness is a lifestyle choice!!? The only thing that kept me going to my hideous job was the fear of being homeless. Homelessness is a horrible existence and not a lifestyle choice.
And having to force them to take their meds would be much easier if they were properly sheltered.
And you can't even think past what something is 'zoned' for and you can't do anything else with the property. Governments do other things with 'zoned' property all the time.
Boy and you can't even refrain from disparaging mentally challenged people - 'RETARDS' give me a break.
You are an awful person. Does anyone in your life actually love you?
1 SammyTrujillo 2017-08-23
It costs too much to turn unoccupied offices and abandoned slums into livable homes. Since there isn't a way to profit from supplying homes to the homeless no one wants to do it knowing they'd lose money.
1 angelsfa11st 2017-08-23
Because they need an incentive for us to keep participating.
1 WaldenPrescot 2017-08-23
private ownership of economic rents.
1 Hermaphrotitties 2017-08-23
Homelessness exists as a constant unspoken threat, obey or be punished.
1 jrlovejr92 2017-08-23
Because people don't see the homeless as their fellow man who needs help, they see him as a leach and a stain on society. They don't care about his past or his story, they just see him as a freeloader who wants a handout. They don't see him sleeping under bridges or trying to stay warm in the winter, they just see them as lazy people who don't want a job.
Basically, because people are cruel to their fellow man. A lot of us aren't individually, but societally we can be. And our society frowns on the homeless, and helping the homeless because we value "hard work and personal responsibility", without ever realizing that no matter how hard we work we sometimes stumble and fall, and we should be there to help each other up.
Not to mention, nobody would allow homeless in their office building because t would probably open them up to all kinds of liabilities and other problems.