We have also learned that there were no mentions of Nibiru or idea of Gods being extraterrestrial for that matter.

False. Nibru-ki is mentioned plenty of times. "Experts" officially translate it as a shrine, yet it is spoken contextually as a place or realm of the gods, where men of renown or Kings have come and gone from.

The "expert" translations are not 100% accurate. Neither were Stichens. He really mucked some things up but he was also on to something.

There is a very liberal use of interpretation in many of the records, "officially."

Is there a heaven on Earth we are not aware of?

In which case those from heaven would be "inter-dimensional" or inter-realm beings. That's the point.

If something exists outside of earth they are then extra-terrestrial. Not really the cookie cut definition from space-alien movies but we are talking about intelligently parsing information, not adhering or manipulating analytics to match public belief systems/narratives.

Yes, but Stitchin's work is about as reliable as the "experts". So while I would caution against taking his work literally or as entirely accurate, the same recommendation could be made with the official translations as well.

Hell you even referenced an article that refuted Sitchen.

To show that even in academic circles Nibiru is referred to as a planet in some cases.

but base meanings usually hold.

Not really. For instance in Hebrew Satan is simply "adversary". Yet in English translations it gets translated as a identified being.

Sin, is also "to miss the mark". Yet it was translated into something entirely different.

Probably the best example of something being skewed for political or religious agenda.

Another interesting translation for biblical texts is Mauro Biglino's literal translations. Though he may exist in some agenda, he worked for Vatican publisher until he began releasing his books.

His literal translations suggest Elohim is plural. That 'ruach' or the breadth of Elohim, were a physical manifestation. That "an image of god" implied DNA engineering. That the actual verb for creation was never used in biblical text, but instead taking over something that pre-existed. Etc so on and so forth.

Literal translations are always interesting because they remove added in interpretations and 'explanations' which are incredibly subjective.

'Sin' is also the moon deity of Akkadia.

the way we interpret sin today is essentially the same in a holistic way

Without an understanding of the roots and origins and the original intention or symbolism there is no way to say whatever interpretation is correct.

This guy is a moron don't waste your time

Why is he a "moron"?

what about eris?

Have you looked into Sumerian stories about their Gods? They line up perfectly with what he says.

Wow assume much! I've read 4 of Sitchens books... So you're ready to write off the first recorded civilizations account of their gods?

So you're saying the sumarian texts are BS?

Have you researched sumarian history? Because it's exactly like how Sitchen describes it. So either the sumarians made it up for fun or there's actual truth...

How do you account for all the discoveries attributed to the Sumerians? First in music, ship building, metallurgy, courts, advanced math, the list goes on.

Have a little sympathy for Sitchen. When he did his work, he was the first. The Sumerians had previously been a myth, someone we had no confirmation of. Then we got confirmation, and it was "impossible to translate" but Sitchen dove in anyway.

You're unreasonable if you expect perfection in that capacity. And that being said, Sitchen's detractors have had decades to prove him "completely wrong" and not everything he produced was incorrect. Yes he made some mistakes, but that's part of academia.

I doubt you've read Sitchen's work in enough detail to really comprehend it, but getting say 50% of the material correct is amazing in any new field, be it science or archaeology or anything.

Furthermore, even if you take away 100% of sitchen's translations, there are still things about Sumerian culture that do not add up unless you adopt part of Sitchen's views. No matter what "current experts" in a dead language claim, Sitchen's hypothesis does an unparalleled job of explaining Sumerian origins and culture in a way that no modern researcher has yet matched.

I don't think you've read his first book. I'm not sure exactly what I believe about this whole subject, but the topic of gold and atmospheres is hardly mentioned. The book is more about actual archaeology.

Sorry but if you've never read the book I cannot take a this conversation seriously. You've only read what detractors have to say, gotta read the source material itself to have a valid opinion.

reading is hard....

LOL, did you read Sitchen's book? READING IS HARD.

You have no ability to criticize it or even discuss it if you haven't read it. You are not equipped for your own thread.

Proverbs 18:13 - He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

That actual historical Sumerian records and Sumerian "stories" line up exactly with what Sitchen's says.

Wikipedia:

Pantheon The majority of Sumerian deities belonged to a classification called the Anunna (“[offspring] of An”), whereas seven deities, including Enlil and Inanna, belonged to a group of “underworld judges" known as the Anunnaki (“[offspring] of An” + Ki). During the Third Dynasty of Ur, the Sumerian pantheon was said to include sixty times sixty (3600) deities.[7]:182

Primeval deities Nammu was the primeval sea (Engur), who gave birth to An (heaven) and Ki (earth) and the first deities; she eventually became known as the goddess Tiamat. An was the ancient Sumerian god of the heavens. He was the ancestor of all the other major deities[11] and the original patron deity of Uruk.

Enlil and his family Enlil was the god of air, wind, and storm.[12]:108 He was the patron deity of the city of Nippur.[13]:58 Ninlil was an air goddess and Enlil's primary consort. She was one of the matron deities of Nippur; she was believed to reside in the same temple as Enlil.[14] Ninurta was the son of Enlil and Ninlil. He was worshipped as the god of war, agriculture, and one of the Sumerian wind gods. He was the patron deity of Girsu and one of the patron deities of Lagash.

Enki and Ninhursag Enki was god of freshwater, male fertility, and knowledge.[15]:75 His most important cult center was the E-abzu temple in the city of Eridu.[15]:75 He was the patron and creator of humanity[15]:75 and the sponsor of human culture.[15]:75 His primary consort was Ninhursag, the Sumerian goddess of the earth.[15]:140 Ninhursag was worshipped in the cities of Kesh and Adab.[15]:140

Inanna Ancient Akkadian cylinder seal depicting Inanna resting her foot on the back of a lion while Ninshubur stands in front of her paying obeisance, c. 2334-2154 BC.[16]:92, 193 Inanna was the Sumerian goddess of love, sexuality, prostitution, and war.[15]:109 She was the divine personification of the planet Venus, the morning and evening star.[15]:108-109 Her main cult center was the Eanna temple in Uruk, which had been originally dedicated to An. Deified kings may have re-enacted the marriage of Inanna and Dumuzi with priestesses.[15]:151, 157-158 Accounts of her parentage vary;[15]:108 in most myths, she is usually presented as the daughter of Nanna and Ningal,[16]:ix-xi, xvi but, in other stories, she is the daughter of Enki or An along with an unknown mother.[15]:108 The Sumerians had more myths about her than any other deity.[16]:xiii, xv[17]:101 Many of the myths involving her revolve around her attempts to usurp control of the other deities' domains.[18]

Ereshkigal Main article: Ereshkigal Ereshkigal was the goddess of the Sumerian Underworld, which was known as Kur. She was Inanna's older sister.[19]

Celestial deities Utu was god of the sun, whose primary center of worship was the E-babbar temple[20] in Sippar. Nanna was god of the moon and of wisdom. He was the father of Utu and one of the patron deities of Ur.[21] He may have also been the father of Inanna and Ereshkigal. Ningal was the wife of Nanna,[22] as well as the mother of Utu, Inanna, and Ereshkigal.

Seems to me you haven't done any research on this subject....

2 goalpost slides in one comment, you're really arguing well, let's see how this turns out.

Here's some 'official' lines on Nibiru via the resource you provided:

Let the magilum boats of Meluḫa transport gold and silver and bring them to Nibru for Enlil, king of all the lands.

He brought their silver and lapis-lazuli, their treasure, to Enlil, king of all the lands, in Nibru

There was a city, there was a city -- the one we live in. Nibru was the city, the one we live in.

She abandoned the Barag-dur-ĝara in Nibru, and descended to the underworld.

Its food offerings could not be taken to Enlil in Nibru. Its watercourse was empty, barges could not travel.

It's interesting to note what the "underworld" is defined as. Since for heavenly beings their underworld would be Earth. And Earth's would be yet another. If you apply this to ancient myth it opens up a whole different context of interpretation.

So, how do you explain NASA finally admitting that there is a 9th (planet x) planet out there?

I don't blindly trust/believe NASA. What I'm saying is, they are finally admitting it, because they have to. The ancients knew about it, it was suppressed, and is now finally being uncovered by the public. They have to slowly roll it out to the wider public.

https://youtu.be/TbqquQEvhok?t=660. Soft disclosure if I've ever seen it.

Keep watching, it continues on with more from astronomers, media, and NASA talking more about a "planet 9".

I'm not lying. There is also a TED talk and others about the topic, as well. You'd know that if you'd watch the video. NASA is confirming it, albeit it slowly and methodically.

You'd be wrong, bub.

i like how your attacking his sources as not credible. it may be in youtube but the contents of the video are all MSM from different countries and a ted talk from a scientist. what more evidence do you want? what kind of evidence would convince you?

"... too early to say with certainty that there is a so-called Planet X out there ..."

Keep watching.

Yup, nothing that confirms it with certainty ... lots of "suggests that" and "could" and "searching for evidence". Glad we agree.

It's almost an hour long video. Once again, lying because there is no way you could've watched it all. Typical /u/overtaxedoverworked.

It's almost an hour long video. Once again, lying because there is no way you could've watched it all.

I don't need to watch a full hour-long video where they repeatedly say it isn't confirmed to know that it hasn't been confirmed ... keep trying to spread info which is directly contradicted by what you linked, it's hilarious.

This isn't disclosure, it's you making assumptions and then spreading falsehoods. The paper on the subject still literally says "could" and you're acting as if NASA confirmed the existence of Nibiru ...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hidden-planet-x-could-orbit-in-outer-solar-system/

At least you admit to being a liar. Thanks for letting everyone know :)

I never said I watched the whole video ... please don't lie and put words in my mouth, it's too transparent, even for you.

I never said I watched the whole video

So, watch it then comment about it. If not, you're just a liar.

So, watch it then comment about it. If not, you're just a liar.

I saw enough, nowhere does NASA fully confirm what you said, period.

I saw enough

...So, not the whole video?

then:

nowhere does NASA fully confirm what you said

How can you make that statement after your first statement?

You're lying. Period.

How can you make that statement after your first statement?

Because I know enough background regarding the issue to know that NASA has never fully confirmed the existence of Planet X/Planet 9/Nibiru/etc.

Your claim is false, period. If it isn't, then link to NASA fully confirming the existence of said planet. You can't, and won't.

I don't know why you continue with your lie. Oh, wait. I know why you do ;)

I'm not the one that made a false claim ... your projections are embarrassing.

I saw enough

...So, not the whole video?

then:

nowhere does NASA fully confirm what you said

How can you make that statement after your first statement?

You're lying. Period.

How can you make that statement after your first statement?

Because through other research you see that NASA has never stated that they are certain there is another planet. There's other sources of information than Youtube videos you know?

If my statement is incorrect, then direct me to the point in the video where NASA claims that they are certain there is another planet.

You can't, and won't, because they don't. You're spreading falsehoods, period.

I saw enough

...So, not the whole video?

then:

nowhere does NASA fully confirm what you said

How can you make that statement after your first statement?

You're lying. Period.

Now, why would I continue to engage with an admitted liar? Have a lovely day :)

How can you make that statement after your first statement?

Because they don't, otherwise you'd be able to link to where they do. Just link it and I'll happy admit I was wrong, but you can't, you're just spreading lies.

So you don't have enough attention span to watch just an hour?

That isn't the only evidence for planets beyond our solar system with elongated orbits

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/distant-planet-may-lurk-far-beyond-neptune

Stitchens work more or less reinforced what scientists we're finding because it implies ancient people knew About these other planets already

So..you don't know..yet you are trying to "end all talk about it".

Found the Nazi.

I give people on here a bad name? Really?

Maybe you shouldn't be trying to end all talk about something...

I am thinking critically..and I am adding something of substance..

I'm telling you to stop trying to tell people what they can think and talk about on this sub.

Yeah.. I knew you'd bring that up next. So predictable.

Anyways..your post doesn't address findings that suggest there may be a planet x the size of Neptune in the deep solar system.

And it hasn't been dismissed yet.

Yet here you are..trying to dismiss it. With no really credible proof doing so.

Other people on this thread have already dismantled the solidity of your argument.

And please..keep insulting everyone's intelligence..while you try to push an agenda of censorship.

Makes ya look real good.

Well other scientists have found that there is most likely a large planet skewing orbits, your criticism of the word may is pretty dumb. They use the word May because they haven't found but based on everything they know the explanation given is the only cause they can think of. Many scientist and astronomers have said this though they don't say it is nibiru. I am sure you didn't read the article, you probably just read the title.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/futurism.com/astronomers-found-an-enormous-object-orbiting-at-the-edge-of-our-solar-system/amp/

Oh weird they found a planet with a large orbit, 1100 years, so Stitchen is not alone here

Well you see, since you are a complete moron, I will try to break it down. They haven't found the planet that perturbs the orbits of planets like Neptune And beyond, but they know something is out there causing it. The most likely case is a large planet. In this article a planet that has been found with a elongated orbit of 1,100 years to highlight the fact that such orbits are possible. Based on science It is likely that a large planet with an elongated orbit is effecting our solar system. I know you just want to disprove stitchen which is fine, but scientist discovered this before he even started his research. Hopefully your not a complete idiot and you understand that scientists have been studying this for nearly a century

Yeah I am the idiot here ..... I am sure your mom thinks your intelligent, she lied to you.

Removed. Rule 10.

Removed. Rule 10.

https://www.google.com/amp/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/2016/01/150119-new-ninth-planet-solar-system-space

Oh here is Another !

you say stitchens word was taken in faith because there were no authorities on the matter of sumerian translation. are you an expert? because it seems like your taking the info found by the people you link in the same faith...

I am neutral in this shit. But disagree on your reply. You answer sounds like you don't agree with the dude so you need to answer him. But you have done in the wrong moment on the wrong topic because, if you read careful, cordeezy was talking about "evidences". And if you are honest for one second, the only world "may" prove it is not an evidence, fact. We just don't know.

If you think about the original post were he want to end everything it makes sense, but here nope, because Cordezzy link doesn't prove anything.

See this is the problem with discrediting. Fine. He wrong. Then what?

Care to explain better? No? Just as long as we dont believe that guy? Could you at least present an argument then of the text he mistranslated? "Well this means 'sky people' so you can't say it's 'Gods'." --is a crap argument because the understanding is close enough to get the meaning...

ty for the other people who catch this in the comments and do the legwork.

Yes. It’s absolutely enough that the public doesn’t go into mass hysteria over some nutjob who is trying to self nonsense books.

You sound like a Hillary voter.

You're worried about the public? You're worried about books? mass hysteria huh?

think I've heard enough.

Lol, actually there is a claim in there but you are an idiot and not worth my time.

Well you live at an airbnb rental, that means you probably haven't made many other great decisions in your life. It also indicates that your intelligence level is not that high not to mention the fact your being accused of abusing your roommates pet, so I wish I could have the minutes of my life I wasted on you back

Good luck in your animal abuse case

LOL!

The idea that cataclysms come around every few thousand years comes from far more sources then one historian. Mayans, Aztec, Native American Indians, Australian aboriginies, Pacific islanders, Hindus, Chinese, African and Arctic cultures all have legends and myths about cataclysmic events. There is astronomical evidence of something causing havoc in our solar system in the past. NASA's position on a planet x has gone from its bullshit, to its probable, to its there we just can't see it. And that has only been in the last two decades. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the notion.

why can't you pay your debts?

Its orbit is closer to 2k years, not 3600.

What do you think it was that caused the 3 hour blackout that passed between us during the hours of Christ's crucifixion on the Cross?

Do you think the first of the TWO signs in Revelation 12 being fulfilled on Sept 23 this year is merely a coincidence?

Oooh, ooooh! Do go on!

This may be of interest to you. I suspect Sitchin was a Freemason:

https://youtu.be/UqOKg69TXEY

Not referencing sitchens and learn about the sumerians...

And now I've been referencing factual Sumarian history. Why must you name call? Try to keep up!

My god man, if you want to "debunk" something then actually do some research. I'm done holding your hand.

Safe to say you don't know history.

Are you that dense? I'm talking about Sumerian history that stands alone from Sitchen. Or are the Sumerians fake too?

And how much research have you done, because it seems like none from our conversation...

OP has not even read any of Sitchen's work. He is literally incapable of making any valid criticisms of it.

He is simply reposting what others have to say on the subject, but OP has no actual understanding of the subject himself because he has not done the necessary academic research.

Nibiru is one name. The vatican calls it wormwood which is in the bible. They have an observatory on Mount Graham in Arizona looking for exoplanets, and I think they are watching it based on what I've heard. All major governments know about this, but it's highly classified. The navy is expecting to lose all their ports when this comes around due to the rising ocean levels as the poles shift. It's why the CIA moved to Colorado, and the new capital of the US will be Denver for continuity of government.

If you really want to hear the truth about it, you need to watch John Moore with military intelligence connections. This was from a conference a few months ago.

John Moore, NIBIRU-Planet X System: Coming Flyby, Evidence, Cover Up, Pole Shift, Flood. Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fk0a8Zvn88

part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVkOHIpoHfk

part 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au5DVN8-wzU

It's almost an hour long video. Once again, lying because there is no way you could've watched it all.

I don't need to watch a full hour-long video where they repeatedly say it isn't confirmed to know that it hasn't been confirmed ... keep trying to spread info which is directly contradicted by what you linked, it's hilarious.

This isn't disclosure, it's you making assumptions and then spreading falsehoods. The paper on the subject still literally says "could" and you're acting as if NASA confirmed the existence of Nibiru ...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hidden-planet-x-could-orbit-in-outer-solar-system/

At least you admit to being a liar. Thanks for letting everyone know :)

How can you make that statement after your first statement?

Because through other research you see that NASA has never stated that they are certain there is another planet. There's other sources of information than Youtube videos you know?

If my statement is incorrect, then direct me to the point in the video where NASA claims that they are certain there is another planet.

You can't, and won't, because they don't. You're spreading falsehoods, period.

So you don't have enough attention span to watch just an hour?

i like how your attacking his sources as not credible. it may be in youtube but the contents of the video are all MSM from different countries and a ted talk from a scientist. what more evidence do you want? what kind of evidence would convince you?