Because most of people are fucking retarded and can listen everything that you put in their ears by force.

Oh Human music!

Because most of people are fucking retarded

so elitist

Unfortunately just pragmatist, just talk to your neighbors.

For every Beatles there was a Dave Clark Five. In real time there's always mountains of junk in pop culture, but history washes it away and leaves the gems.

This.

Whenever I hear people groaning about "Music these days" and how it "Used to be better" I feel like they should be made to listen to nothing but Sugar Sugar for the rest of their life.

Because back in the day, Music was good, maaaan.

Yes, everything has always been and will always be the same

Such bullshit. Subject matter is 100x cruder and more elementary in lyrics today than it was then.

technical musical skills have also declined substantially

She said, seething at the lyric book of the new Elvis Presley album.

Not to mention the Beatles started off as pop "trash" before they matured into the what we know them as.

Um, have you not listened to the first couple albums by the Beatles? They wrote and played some of the tightest, most technically impressive rock music ever written. Matter of fact, I'd wager the OP and those agreeing wouldn't know what "real music" sounded like if it was beamed directly into their brains.

They wrote and played some of the tightest, most technically impressive rock music ever written.

As a Beatles fan, please stop the garbage. The first couple of Beatles albums were mostly stolen American R&B, played much more poorly than the original black artists.

o.O

Lol are you fucking joking me. Get the fuck out of there with that bullshit "white people stole rock music" sjw rhetoric. Fuck off and quite trying to rewrite history.

Do you know the origin of the banjo?

Do you know Irish, Scottish and English musicians were playing music with instruments other than the banjo in the US and their home countries, like an assortment of types of guitars, before the Banjo ever came to the US?

https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-musical-instruments-from-ur-and-ancient-mesopotamian-music/

I think these are a little older than a lyre or a banjo...

I'm not the one who used banjos as an example, that was you. I just wanted to know if you knew what a banjo was because it seemed like you didn't.

Im about as far from an sjw as you can get. But, its just an undeniable fact early white rock and roll artists stole from black blue's artists with no compensation at all. Virtually all of early rock n roll was if not inspired by,straight stole from musicians in the 20s and 30s. I can dozens off the top of my head

The rolling fucking stones were need after Muddy Waters song. What the fuck are these people smoking.

Really? Do you have sources for that? What songs specifically were stolen? Even if that's true, you can't possibly deny that their performances were as sharp as anyone

The Beatles we're fucking shit though. Everyone knows this. They had a few interesting tunes but NOBODY listens to The Beatles because they happen to hear a song and think it's amazing, then it turns out to be The Beatles. Everybody who thinks The Beatles are amazing thinks that because they're trying to get it.

Is this some edgelord crap about how you don't personally like The Beatles? r/im14andthisisdeep bro

No, they made bad music.

I see, not a fan then. Ok, carry on.

Lol

What the fuck are you talking about? I love The Beatles, not because they're The Beatles, but because they made good fucking music.

You might have never and hopefully will never hit a woman. With that said, John 'woman beater' Lennon could shit and sneeze beautiful love songs out of nothing, that were million dollar hits that continue to sell which will go on to be played for eons. You're bringing a dildo to a gun fight.

The irony of this statement is that the Beatles themselves are widely believed to have been satanists and thelemites, and there is no shortage of hints to this- from their repeated usage of the "ok" hand signal to their consistent praise of Aleister Crowley.

I'm... not seeing the irony in that, but ok bro!

Apologies, i think i may have misunderstood your point then

Piracy has resulted in margins being slashed by record companies to the point where they can't afford to sign "risky" artists. Only safe mainstream acts get developed and promoted.

You think pop culture wasn't just as mass produced in the 50's?

may I suggest going on the internet to find stuff you might like. lots of little guys out there that would love yer support

i just assume all major media companys are compromised and most likely take their marching orders from some shadowy elite

You have to really pay attention in the "independent" music community as well & really just research the fuck out of everyone. Punk rock was the first genre of music i got into on my own in my youth. I've always looked up to Bad Religion of pioneers of the genre. Imagine my fucking shock last year when i came across this:

• https://archive.is/SATFD
• https://archive.is/RtQ0F

A fucking band that has presented itself as an Anti-Establishment/anti-government for decades - then you find out one of the members goes to art shows with James Alefantis & Tony Podesta. Why was Brian Bakker of bad religion there? Because his wife started TransformerDC with Alefantis. I'm convinced almost every aspect of our society is fake at this point.

Damn. Huge Bad Religion fan also. This is creepy

I ended up redpilling myself on this after Fat Mike/Bad Religion/etc started publicly supporting dems last year. I saw bad religion & against me play last year & purchased a shirt with trump & hillary's face on it that had a checkbox that said "none of the above"... Then a few weeks later Bad Religion members are talking about missing the Obama presidency & supporting Hillary. Felt robbed knowing one of my favorite bands socializes with powerful lobbyists.

They know the crowds will eat up whatever they tell them to, so why not push people that are completely under their control and willing to deliver their message? Look at John Lennon for what happens to renowned artists who consistently speak truth to power.

It's okay to not like things, but don't be a dick about it.

He's not, you are?

OP is implying that only music he likes is good music and basically saying any other music is for "sheep". that's being a dick. Personal preference is personal preference. He is coming as uppity and pretentious over personal preference over music. Get over yourself OP. It's like if I said that only Mexican Band music is "real" music and anyone else who doesn't listen to it is wrong.

No bullshit man... I'm still trying to figure out what establishment music is...

Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, whatever major stars are putting out hot content. Whatever they put out serves the purpose to make money and also control people.

They don't even write their own songs. Apparently Taylor Swift does but there's no real way to prove that.

Pop music is psychological programming.

You're finding the negative message in OPs post that you are looking for. He didn't post which genres or artists he considers bad or good and not everything falls under personal preference.

Reason i quit my last job was due to a few reasons but the music; that i really couldn't stand. Similar sort of music that you find in all retail stores really. It gives off a constant pervasive atmosphere of "pay no attention, believe what you are told, everything is good, say yes to everything".

If it was personal preference in such a consumer environment then why do i never find classical, heavy metal or blues in retail stores. It's almost like these genres of music leave you either feeling critically minded or not materialistically inclined. Not the state of mind where you're compelled to give in to that excellent, wonderful 3 for 2 offer of coloured sugar in a bag.

Other thing i noticed was that all of this music stuck in your head so easily. I listen to music in almost all my spare time, mostly classical with some metal and trance/house and none of it sticks in my head unless i try to remember it and i have to try. The other stuff from work got stuck in your head like a fly on a sundew.

I prefer a select few genres whilst respecting all that have occured naturally but there seems to be music spat out of an industry with little emotion and plenty of agenda, i find it horrible to listen to.

You're finding the negative message in OPs post that you are looking for.

I'm confused, isn't this /r/conspiracy ?

There's two ways you can look at this; you can read the OPs message and think about the ways in which there is any relevance to what you've known and experianced or you can read it and try to work out every way in which it doesn't conform to your expectations and assumptions.

Conspiracies aren't about negative messages, any conspiracy forum should be about ignoring shallow meanings and labels and understanding the true workings of any situation; especially one in which a crime has been committed and those responsible to dealing with it are expressly ignoring it.

Blind criticism has just as little place as blind sycophatism.

i really don't think he's gatekeeping or doing the whole 'back in my day' shtick either. every single branch entertainment is being simplified more and more each year. if you can make your product for half as much and still sell it for an ever increasing price, you'd be stupid not to do so.

OP definitely is, he's calling entire genres of music uncreative trash.

Except there is piles of crap music, loaded with base lyrics and bass rhythms, meant to pacify and dumb down the masses.

And you having an opinion about his opinion is hypocrisy of your own point.

Honestly, I enjoy some mainstream (radio) music. However, most of it is oversexed ( and not in a good way) or depressing - and there have even been studies to show majority of the lyrics are at a reading level of 2-5 year olds now. I don't think saying this is meant to insult folks who do listen to it religiously. It is meant to inspire curiousity and reflection as to why this type of music is being promoted over others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGk5fR-t5AU this is a great example

Or that god awful Taylor swift song. Worst thing is you hear it once and it's in your fuckin head for days. That's what they want to happen, casue then people think it's good if they keep singing it in their heads.

Yeah. Pop music is generally 'formulaic' which is why it's very generic sounding, almost repetative.

It reminds me of stories about prisoners being forced to listen to music over and over to torture them

Yeah, I think it was just death metal blaring in their ears if you're referring to the Abu Ghirab disaster.

And they know how to imprint it into your brain so you keep singing it for days after you've heard it once. I'm like:

"Ooh, look what you made me do Look what you made me do Look what you just made me do Look what you just made me do."

And I've heard the damn thing like 2 times

I'm sure they're talking about each other or something?

The Frankfurt School rides again!

"The term culture industry (German: Kulturindustrie) was coined by the critical theorists Theodor Adorno (1903–1969) and Max Horkheimer (1895–1973), and was presented as critical vocabulary in the chapter "The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception", of the book Dialectic of Enlightenment (1944), wherein they proposed that popular culture is akin to a factory producing standardized cultural goods—films, radio programmes, magazines, etc.—that are used to manipulate mass society into passivity.[1] Consumption of the easy pleasures of popular culture, made available by the mass communications media, renders people docile and content, no matter how difficult their economic circumstances.[1] The inherent danger of the culture industry is the cultivation of false psychological needs that can only be met and satisfied by the products of capitalism; thus Adorno and Horkheimer especially perceived mass-produced culture as dangerous to the more technically and intellectually difficult high arts."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_industry

I prefer mainstream music tbh, some of that indie or underground shit is just boring to me

Generalizing one line comment... Interesting that you categorize in no real music genre but the audience and how large it is.

Proofs my theory that people who listen to mainstream generally don't care about either music and just want to belong to a large enough group who listens to the same.

I'm not sure what you just said but please learn to spell and use correct grammar. And no, most people who listen to mainstream just like the damn music 😂 holy shit are people this dumb?

Rap and country music were overtaken by people with agendas and for money.

They may be on more opposite sides of the music spectrum but they both spoke volumes to their people. They had real feelings and messages in them so they had to go...and why not make a huge profit while killing off the authenticity.

There's still "real" stuff out there but you have to dig and it can be time consuming, which is also by design.

Yep, finding music is hard. Old tools like last.fm or modern stuff like Spotify really helps though.

check out ckua.com. You wont be disappointed. They have live streams. Check out the schedule to see what plays when, then tune in.

Yep, finding music is hard.

Lol what? It's literally easier now than it's ever been in the history of the music industry.

What I've learned is, people don't (really) listen to the "music". When a fucking stupid pop song is on the radio that I'm forced to listen to, I'll make a remark and it's always the same answer: "Huh, I didn't hear/listen to it". So why is it even running? I dunno. You could make them listen to white noise. It doesn't matter. Or maybe the get dopamine filled when after 8 hours "their" song is played that they like.

I really wanted to dig deeper why people do this and don't just turn it off but I got no answer when asked. Tbh, at this point, I think there's none. They listen to it, because it's pop and others are listening to it. The quality doesn't really matter.

Most of the people have no fucking clue about music. What exists, what they like and this in an age where the internet is in your pocket and you could have access to nearly every song out there. Mind boggling, really...maybe the general public has no personal taste, just a curated one.

Do you recall what Lucifer's job was in heaven?

Because they use it as propaganda and they elevate talentless individuals who don't know music but are well trained to be a show-person. A good many of them are under mind control programing so you are presented with the perfect personification of the agenda they want to push.

and they are all about sex, satan and other degeneracy stuff.

People's moods and emotions can be and are controlled by music. The message is the same although the quality changes. Those under its control don't listen for quality, they listen to fuel their hate and degeneracy.

Remember half of the population is below the average level of intelligence. Some people just have bland taste and don't see music as anything more than a space filler.

I cannot personally understand how, but it seems like the majority of people will 'enjoy' listening to whatever they're told. And of course they are not told to listen to music that may have a positive effect on their consciousness.

this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP0wuwJBdMI

As a musician I have thought about this alot.

There are three things I am convinced are at play here and have some what seen this demonstrated in the professional world years ago, and im sure its on another level now...

1) Frequencies - There are many frequencies that a person cannot hear through the human ear. Just because you cannot hear these frequencies, does not mean they do not have an effect on your brain as well as your body. There are many frequencies that are pleasant to the human body and can cause feelings of pleasure. People get addicted to this feeling, quite easily, like an addiction to drugs.

2) Laziness/Business - People simply do not have the time to sit anymore and appreciate a piece of music for what it is or simply dont want to because there are so many things that surround us that take our focus away from actually sitting and listening. People want a background noise and beat, thats really it, or something they can remember easily to sing along with or dance to.

3) Interference - Artists are rarely allowed to produce or write their own music now a days, usually its a team of people who will simply do this for the artist. Even respectable bands over the years will always decline in originality or even good song writing abilities, and you often wonder, why cant this artist just re create the magic of their first album? Why? Cause that first album was written most likely when they didnt have a record deal and didnt have anyone in the studio saying, this part doesnt work, you should do this instead, or change these lyrics, i think this hook i have here would work instead of yours.....and if you argue this that song aint gonne be on the album but rather a b side.

Its really unfortunate what has become of the state of music in recent years, and i hope people take their heads outta the sand one day, but doesnt seem like its gonna happen.

I recently attended a conference in which i was able to speak to a technological guru, lets just say hes pretty big and well known, i asked him about how he felt AI was gonna enter the music industry and was taken aback by the question, presumably because the conference had nothing to do with entertainment, but he looked me straight in the eye and said thats a really good question, cause its already there......

This music is PUT into the radio. The People are through radio, tv and streaming services forced to listen to the music. This is what Kanye West was talking about.

Music creates culture. Culture forms generations. If you control what music goes viral, you control the mindset of a generation. Hollywood is no different.

Same as it ever was dude. If you want to find the good shit you have to dig. We had a weird period from around 2000-2010 when more people were getting turned on to interesting/challenging shit but that era is long dead (thanks to Poptimism and the absolute failure of Critical Culture as well as the consolation of "indie" media under the Big Corporate Media Umbrella).

There is so much great music out there free for the asking. What we lack now are Tastemakers and Guideposts. We need a new John Peel or Rodney Bingenheimer. Hell, even a new fucking Martha Quinn would be welcome at this point!

The music industry has been under cabal control and the cabal wants to push harmful music, not beneficial music. Misery is very important for the cabal and they spread misery from every corner of society including music.

I don't listen to the radio and the overwhelming amount of MSM music I stay far, far away from, but I also know that the OP statement is very relative.

and stuck to a few tunes and all of them just look the same, and they are all about sex, satan and other degeneracy stuff. They look like they have no soul and no personality, yet they are somehow in the top charts

Our grandparents said this about rockmusic

Creativity is enlightening, and powerful. For this reason, horrible music and art are promoted, repetitively. I'm curious about indie/video-game now...

To degenerate us morally, you hit it on the head.

The whole sell your soul to the devil is a marketing ploy, and more of a metaphor.

You don't actually sell your soul, you sell little bits of yourself till there is no soul left.

Anyways, check out the new Queens of the Stone Age record Villians. That's some ass shaking good times right there. Can I get an amen?!?

ITT /r/gatekeeping

Casting couch.

Good music makes your brain produce more dopamine than shit music.

You're a better consumer when your dopamine levels are depleted because you'll do anything to up them, including overeating, overshopping (also smoking and drinking etc).

I'm gonna go with "by design".

I've heard that people making the music generally pay to have it played on the radio now instead of vice-versa. Plus most stations are owned by large corporations with radio stations across the country. The djs have NO choice in what they play. The best stations are the local ones that allow djs to curate their own sets. Album 88 ftw.

Want goosebumps? 1:20 at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DySnX5TwMMw

It may surprise you, but your average person has shit taste, and are also the lowest common denominator.

Music has many styles often very niche, so a small audience (possible customers). When a band from a certain niche has bigger success it is because it is washed down so that more people than the niche-fans can enjoy it and buy it. From that standpoint (making the most money with music) you have to create something the most people can like/accept, basically maximum washed down, not unique/special, the rest will be achieved through marketing.

I listen to a lot of podcasts and even video game music. Castlevania Symphony of the night is one of my favs.

One time I was on LSD at six flags, and the pop music they had playing was drilling a hole into my mind. You can really see how fucked it is if you listen while on acid surrounded by teeny boopers running around riding coasters.

pobably similar to watching news. almost like a horror movie

kexp.org live stream all over the world.

Keep asking questions like this.

There's a lot of ugly, boring people out there.

Intentional. Plato wrote about changes in musical canon presaging revolution. Check wiki pagw for musical modes & search for "plato".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6udST6lbE

The majors are far less profitable every year, there used to be far more "major" labels, but many folded due to losses or were bought out my larger labels. When a label gets bought out, all of the less profitable acts get terminated. It's been going on for years and it only gets worse. I remember looking at a top ten chart about a dozen years ago and half of the acts had a tv show on the Disney channel.

We can make this world worthwhile, thanks for doing what you can. Now imagine if the artist had millions of dollars to pay you with, how you could live doing what you love. If you haven't, look into the the current exposure of the biggest conspiracy America has ever seen.

I have my home and family. I know how much i need to sustain that into the future.

After that i really dont care about money. I'm in a small industry that dribbles into the UK market sometimes. I know my place in the story.

technical musical skills have also declined substantially

Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, whatever major stars are putting out hot content. Whatever they put out serves the purpose to make money and also control people.

They don't even write their own songs. Apparently Taylor Swift does but there's no real way to prove that.

Pop music is psychological programming.

She said, seething at the lyric book of the new Elvis Presley album.

pobably similar to watching news. almost like a horror movie