Whats your question?

Was there elite pedophilia happening in comet PP? Probably not.

Are there cases of proven elite pedophile rings? Yes.

Was Comet PP connected to elite pedophilia? Possibly but at this point we'll probably never know unless someone talks too much to the wrong (right?) person.

You'll find all the evidence at Voat, as the pizzgate sub got banned from reddit.

We're not allowed to link to it so google pizzagate + voat.

My own opinion is that there is something to the story but i have no idea what that is so i'll refrain from speculating.

If you stick to Voat and the wikileaks websites, you'll be ok.

There is no direct link to pedophilic images on either of those.

No problem.

And just keep in mind that on Voat you'll be getting a biased opinion. Most are investigating to prove the theory and have come up with some really good leads. But so far everything is highly circumstantial and relies heavily on making connections.

Direct hard hand evidence is what you need for proof.

But most theory is built on circumstance. Dont be afraid to speculate on the evidence presented.

The time to step away is when you talk to someone who is dogmatic on circumstance and cannot have fluidity ion their theory.

You can learn nothing of value from that person.

You're the kind of person that discredits plausible theories.

Note: you are contradicting yourself.

So dont be a preacher be a teacher?

Show them the way to the evidence, let them make thei own decisions on the validity.

If you do that for anyone that has an interest in deciding for themselves, you've done as much as is expected from anyone.

Remember when there is a big crime being covered up, there will be plenty of people trying very, very hard to discredit the people who are investigating it.

Some of them will pretend to be investigating it and then do stupid stuff to confuse people and discredit the rest of us. For example I argue with a guy on Discus regularly who was a big supporter of the pizzagate investigation, and he is a flat Earther who thinks nukes are not real. I suspect he is actually working for MI6, but I don't know.

He makes pizzagate look like stupid nonsense by his endorsement of it because he is such a complete flake.

You are so scary! LOL Go watch the video of the Dutch banker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y06RG_ffa0Q

To be fair.. MK Ultra goes worlds beyond anything you have even the slightest awareness of..

Most the world is quite literally brainwashed...

I dont understand why you started this thread asking for knowledge and you are condemning a clearly knowledgeable truth seeker.

Not true. There is a lot of very solid stuff posted there like the interview with the Dutch banker [see link for part 3].

I have seen plenty of posts there from victims who can affirm what happened to them. Saying that "so far everything is highly circumstantial and relies heavily on making connections" just means you have not researched it thoroughly.

Yes there is a lot of speculation and some nonsense, but that in no invalidates the very real evidence that has been presented.

Ronald Bernard - PART 3, revelations from an insider https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Fwe4YkMa4

It is true.

Ronald Bernard isnt a direct Pizzagate connection. PG refers to the furore around Comet PP and the DNC.

I guess the worldwide version is pedogate? Of which there is plenty of evidence.

Check out "twittergate" something that came out immediately afterward by linking to J. Alefantis' friends' instagrams - if you look at it from a pre-scandal perspective, they clearly think they are clever and really getting away with SOMEthing creepy... claiming it is their strange homosexual taste in art, but, look and judge for yourself I'm sure you can still find it. When I found this content much of it was still up and out in the open. You will now have to look thru saved archives to find anything. Another smoking gun..

You won't find CP searching "pizzagate" i don't think. I've been on this thing from the beginning and have never come across anyone supplying a link to CP. That said, Podesta's art and Alefantis' instagrams are disturbing enough for a nightmare or two.

Alefantis is ex-boyfriend to David Brock of Share Blue, he hosted fund raisers for Hillary and was named second most powerful person in DC by GQ for starters.

Democrats, Republicans and pretty much any group at a high level of power and influence use this sick game both as a form of "insurance"on one another and also as part and parcel of the occult practices that you will find intertwined in all power structures.

More than just Democrats want to protect Hillary, Podesta, et al because they all know that if these people go down, they are inevitably next.

You will not run into images that you are thinking of. Censors have taken care of that quite well. While researching it you will most likely run into the artwork that John Podesta has at his house, many stories from the individuals who were taken advantage of and have grown up, and lots of theories and critical thinking done with proper grasps of reality.

Pedo's are everywhere and are currently running the world. There are too many synchronism items that pair together with this subject. I was abused by multiple adults and children as a kid. I am comfortable with speaking of my own happenings but it has taken nearly 30 years of processing to be where I am.

I will say that you hiding yourself from, any potential images/content that will prove to you without a shadow of a doubt that it is real, is not very healthy if your interests are peaked. However, once you start reading into it all and discover how much of the world around you is shaped by these individuals it becomes quite unbearable. Many days i've contemplated suicide even more than my normal thoughts of it just because of how vile the racket is. You will most likely lose sleep and start to lose faith in reality itself.

Having more people feel that way, is how we are going to get this all shut down and taken care of (if even possible).

We must all spread the word and knowledge of it to those whose hearts fall ill at first sight of it. The collective consciousness as a whole will wipe out what is unnecessary.

Never be scared of educating yourself.

This guy has done his reading.

I dont understand what average people are too preoccupied with that they allow this knowledge to deflect right off of them when its clearly right under their nose. And god knows I've tried to spread the word.

In all reality this whole Pizzagate thing is a spec on the radar of organized pedophilia and abuse. I just hope it has the legs to ralley the collective.

They are in cahoots with Dennis Hastert, the third most powerful man in our government at one point.

It's not just the democrats, and it's definitely NOT all of them.

As soon as it became something "run by the democrats" you should stop listening.

No one but shills ever tried to claim it was exclusively democrats. You should have seen how many liberals and progressives were all over this in the beginning..but then came CTR and shareblue. Then it became a "partisan witchunt."

But the truth is..this is only centering on some democrat players because those were the individuals that the information came out on. Because we have these examples to investigate, it's the lead-in to busting it in every corner of the world - as it should be.

It really wasn't until that became the first discrediting tactic they used

As if it was only the Democrats and the Republicans don't do it too.

We all know that is not true because if it was true the Republicans would be using it as a powerful political weapon, instead of being a part of the big cover up.

It's also good to note that Alefantis owns multiple restaurants around the world.

It is not just the Democrats. That is why it has stayed covered up for so long. It is also the British government, the CIA, MK Ultra, big banks, the Catholic church, etc INCLUDING the Republicans. Both Bush presidents and their friends the Saudis are all into raping children as a pass time for rich folks.

It has been going on forever. The people who try to investigate it or stop it tend to get murdered. The more you learn about it, the more horrible the whole thing is, for example Child Protective Services is actually taking children away from their parents and supplying them to pedophiles.

I was blowing the whistle on this issue when GW Bush was still in office, for my effort I was labeled as a "Bush hater." There was a lot of pressure against any mention of Bush criminal activity while he was in office. Now we can see by the way the DNC fraud case was excused, that some people are just plain above the law. People who are above the law do all kinds of evil things like start illegal wars, rape children and blackmail people.

MK Ultra is a government program that uses the brutal rape of children to create sex slaves for political purposes. Research it and you will see that I am correct. It is well documented. The Franklin coverup is a good place to start.

I'm not discrediting anything. Also, I do not care what you think of me, I do lots and lots of research and reading. I'm just reporting what I have learned.

My son was fondled by my brother in laws boyfriend right in front of me about 20 years ago. Who does that? When I blew the whistle on him, he organized the whole family against me so I got the first person experience of being smeared by an actual pedophile.

My niece was raped by her father when she was three. When my sister discovered this she freaked out. But he was smarter, he went to court and was granted visits with his little rape victim. I was shocked, but the more I researched it the more I discovered that was normal.

There was absolutely brutality and rape involved in MK Ultra. This whole line of study originated during WW2 with the handlings of prisoners, and the intellegence war raging. In fact, its documented that U.S. intellegence recruited over 1600 former Nazi's in the late 40s and early 50s who assisted in developing this program.

Mind control was not achieved through administering drugs alone. Although there were certainly drugs involved, its through unfathomable abuse that an individuals mind becomes controllable. All of this was central in MK Ultra and there's tons of available reading on the topic.

The pizza shop owners instagram is a good place to start. He was posting pedo innuendo for years.

https://www.freeandfearless.org.uk/2017/08/21/nsfw-jimmycomets-instagram-archive/

It's complicated. But it is very, very real. Look into Podestas emails with the code "pizza-related map". Plus Tamara Luzzato's emails describing the ages of three children who will be entertainment in the pool.

It was a damn kids party...Jesus, people. We've cleared this passage. Yet a bunch of dults pivoted this? Do we have goldfish memories?

"Jesus, people. We've cleared this passage."

You sound like CNN or Wikipedia.

Specifically the kids party, yes. Which is all I said.

As awful as it it, it gets more disturbing the deeper you dig into this rabbit hole.

Off the top of my head: in his instagram, you can see Obama(Obama had a phone bank drive at the pizza shop; Alefantis was his guest at White House several times), Lynn Rothschild, David Brock(owner of Media Matter & Ctr/Shareblue), an FBI agent(that is in a division that investigates pedos 'liked' a lot of his pedo innuendo), etc.

You can also see from his instagram that 'pizza' has more meanings than the food. In Podesta's emails that were released by wikileaks, he used pizza and other foods as code words too.

Dont forget the hundreds of gigs of encrypted files he was hosting off the backed of his website, That got deleted the day after we found it.

Just go to voat look at all they have collected and you will come away wanting to not believe it. But you will believe it look into Dyncorp paying Afghan boys to dance for their company functions. Look at how hard the fought against both Pizza and Pedo gate to show you that there is something there. Again it's a tough subject you will want to talk yourself out of it look into spirit cooking. And the peodestas art. And then you decide.

There is no truth to the Pizzagate thing, some emails were misinterpreted, either deliberately to troll or just by morons. No victims were ever found. No crimes were ever discovered. People think that throwing in some spooky instagram photos are proof. They threw everything into the pizzagate file to give it the appearance of validity. It's bullshit no one will ever be charged because nothing happened.

You can trust him because he's paid to write this post.

Removed. Rule 10.

I've read ever single piece of "proof" and never seen anything, at all that suggests Pizzagate is true. It really gets silly after page one too, now they trend is to throw every single case of pedophilia into it as proof.

Pizzagate is one thing: A smear job on the democratic party. They have had months to prove it and it's still a bunch of instagram posts. No victims, no crimes, some stupid pictures. It's being propped up by right trolls from 4 chan and Russian bots. If you believe it, at this point, it's a sign of a complete lack of intelligence.

It's real. The real time backlash from the media against those looking into it was scary and very real.

I dunno, you tell me. After everything i have been presented with I think I can come to the "logical" conclusion that the shooter was a paid actor.

You are not operating in a logical way. Occams razor would suggest that the shooter was an enraged person who believed the conspiracy theory and wanted to take action against the perpetrators.

Why do you think you are "operating in a logical way?"

The burden of proof always rests on the original claim. In this case the claim is that a shooter entered the restaurant, brandished his weapon at staff, discharged a round or three (accounts vary) before breaking into the office after shooting straight through the door. This shot miraculously hit the office web server's hard disk.

Stop and ask yourself: does this sound like a plausible series of events?

What evidence is there to confirm any of this really happened, except for news media reports (media is all controlled, especially in DC) or eyewitness testimony (unreliable, as accusations are being levelled against those who own and frequent this establishment.)

It's also odd that a street CCTV camera that should have captured the entire event from start to finish was, for reasons still unknown, commanded to face away from the restaurant a short time before the "shooting" happened.

Does any of this seem plausible to you?

I disagree.

• You assume the media's reporting of this "shooting" event is trustworthy and accurate.
• You assume eyewitness reports are trustworthy and accurate.
• You assume a shooter entered this restaurant and carried out the acts described.

Where is the evidence that any of this actually happened?

To apply Occam's razor to this case is to assume nothing and demand evidence such as cctv footage of the perpetrator doing what we are told he did, or perhaps ballistic evidence for the miraculous data-destroying gunshot.

Intellectual honesty required here. Ask yourself if "This person believed in something and acted on it" must necessarily encompass the points I listed.

Who is this person? What did he believe? How did he act upon that information? For each of these points you obtained everything you think you know from the media's reporting, unless you were there of course.

So, once again. Let's start with the core assumption: is there evidence that any of this happened, or not?

I don't think you understand how burden of proof works. I'll walk you through it:

What is the default state? Answer: everything is normal.

When something happens, where does the burden of proof lie? Answer: on the person claiming something happened.

Do we have proof that something happened? Answer: No, we do not.

What do we have? Answer: Media reports, eyewitness accounts.

Do we have any physical evidence that corroborates this version of events? Answer: no, just an alleged hole in a door. We have no proof this hole was really in a door in this restaurant, or that if a hole exists that it was caused by a gunshot, or that if it was caused by a gunshot that the alleged shooter did it in the manner described. There is no proof whatsoever for the claim.

Is there any secondary proof to corroborate the eyewitness testimony? Answer: No, there is nothing that shows the alleged "shooter" entering the restaurant or of him doing any shooting.

So what evidence do we have? Answer: photos of a man outside Comet Ping Pong Pizza, apparently being arrested and some eyewitness reports that contradict official police reports. That's it.

Does this evidence prove the media's version of events? Answer: no.

Do it disprove the media's version of events? Answer: no.

So, once again... where does the burden of proof lie, and what is the default state until proven otherwise? Answer: everything is normal.

Your theory requires many jumps of logic while the official report requires one

What is my theory? Is an absence of a theory a theory? If you'll briefly disregard my earlier comment that the media is controlled (it is, but that's a tangential point) then what I'm trying to articulate is: there is a lack of evidence, period.

In the absence of evidence should we default to the media/eyewitness version of events? If so, why? Or should a critical thinker default to "this event did not happen as described" until there is evidence beyond reasonable doubt to prove that it did?

Media + eyewitness reports rely on the (easily abused) notion of credibility and suspension of disbelief. They are not hard evidence.

Lack of evidence is not evidence in itself.

Agreed. However, there is often a default position, and this is the position one should take in the absence of evidence. My definition of evidence boils down to physical proof. I have scant regard for testimony and this is true for courtrooms too. In cases where testimony is the only evidence offered, the judge will usually recommend to a jury to acquit the accused (unless the eyewitness happens to hold special reputable status, such as a police officer... you might wonder why the police get special treatment. I know I do.... but I digress)

In this case, in the absence of any hard evidence and with a litany of examples where authorities have staged media hoaxes to suit their agenda, my default position is that the event did not take place as described until proven otherwise.

My standard of proof is strict because all other forms of evidence are trivial to falsify. If the body of evidence for an alleged crime is not consistent and supported by multiple forms of proof then any theory based on it is rooted in belief, not evidence.

Keep in mind the burden of proof is never on me to disprove the facts being presented, which remain the same: it is alleged that a shooter entered this restaurant and did a bunch of things. I want to see proof of these things having occurred, but none has been produced.

You might be confusing me with the comment thread OP. I did not suggest it was a "false flag."

No worries :)

If you are genuinely interested in learning the facts of pizzagate, as many here have suggested you need to head over to voat.

We are not allowed to link directly, but if you go there, then head to the pizzagate 'subverse' (voat's version of a subreddit) and append "/2092673" to the URL in your browser's address bar you will find a nice (safe for work) summary.

The executive summary can be found at "/1497611." Some links will take you to sites like instagram where there are collection of pictures you might find distasteful (although nothing illegal as far as I recall). So, if you would rather not expose yourself to such things (and who could blame you?) then exercise caution and hover over the links to see what they are before clicking.

This video is a great rundown of pizzagate. It's real. https://youtu.be/K6vvx2rHid0

Id just like to point out one thing, well, maybe more than one thing, as you begin to expose yourself to these types of ideas. One thing to consider which ive found to be critically important to understanding all of the historical and current truths behind all the organized pedophilia, ritual abuse, MK Ultra, etc.:

The primary weapon of the abusers, individuals and organizations, is misinformation.  Let that statement sink in.

With everything from politics, justice, media, business, etc., being compromised, the reach and precision of the misinformation implanted in the world is without limits. 

I could go into truly unbelievable details of measures in which the CIA, from the shadows, is actively discrediting the validity of an MK Ultra abuse victim who has surfaced decades after her abuse as a child and young woman.  But it would take an hour if we were talking, let alone writing on reddit from my phone. 

Consider a highly public claim of Cathy O'brien as a more practical example of misimformation as an inherent tool of the abusers:

According to O’Brien, George H. W. Bush used a hologram to appear as a lizard alien in her presence. “Claiming to me to be an alien himself, Bush apparently activated a hologram of the lizard-like “alien” which provided the illusion of Bush transforming like a chameleon before my eyes.

Cathy O'brien's story notwithstanding, these MK Ultra abuse victims have had their memory and psyche systematically destroyed through measures that are unthinkably satanic.  And make no mistake, MK Ultra was about mind CONTROL.  A proven tactic was to provide the victim with associations of home, family, trust, and other necessary good human insticts, while raping and torturing them in unthinkably horrible and abstract ways, rendering them unable to distinguish good and evil, and unlocking the path to further control their mind.  Though there are many documented effects of this type of abuse, one is the ability to implant forced false memories into the victims memory or whats left of it.

Back to the statement O'brien made about Bush being a hologram lizard alien.  You can see clearly how an abuse victim surfacing saying I was raped and abused by a high profile person is much more believable than I was raped by a hologram lizard alien, right?  This example is much of the same when it comes to the most of the Illuminati, Freemasons, Bilderberg information you'll find published or discussed all over the internet.  Its nothing more than layers of misinformation implanted to disguise the truth.

TL;DR - Misinformation is the primary weapon used to conceal what equates to a massive, Holocaust level global ring of satanic ritual abuse and pedophilia. Only with extreme vigilance and determination can you arrive at the truth which exists burried under layers and layers of strategic misinformation. I do not claim to know everything on this subject, however, we do live in the age of information and a glimpse behind the curtain is waiting for all of you that are determined enough to wade through all the BS required to get there.

Peace, and spread the good word.  There's too many thousands of victims out there who are to this point sufficiently silenced and are without a voice.  We are their voice.  Use your judgement accordingly.

this post will be in your search history so why dont u just google it? if you are worried about using google then just use one of the many search engines

It was a damn kids party...Jesus, people. We've cleared this passage. Yet a bunch of dults pivoted this? Do we have goldfish memories?

Specifically the kids party, yes. Which is all I said.

There was absolutely brutality and rape involved in MK Ultra. This whole line of study originated during WW2 with the handlings of prisoners, and the intellegence war raging. In fact, its documented that U.S. intellegence recruited over 1600 former Nazi's in the late 40s and early 50s who assisted in developing this program.

Mind control was not achieved through administering drugs alone. Although there were certainly drugs involved, its through unfathomable abuse that an individuals mind becomes controllable. All of this was central in MK Ultra and there's tons of available reading on the topic.