Good maybe they will let me smoke weed unlike the Christian Taliban that has ruled for so long.

LGBT rights don't take rights away from you. Transgender tolerance in no way effects you. You are trying to preserve white privilege with this post. All you need is to shit talk affirmative action and it would be the stereotypical angry white guy post.

So, what would Jesus do?

So the last commenter was a "typical snowflake," but you're proving to be little more than frightened and triggered. Ensuring equal rights for people does not take anything away from you, and this is coming off more as you finding homosexuality to be incredulous.

I don't remember Jesus ever pandering for money so I'm not sure how to address the second half of your comment.

Where's the hypocrisy in ensuring equal rights for gays?

Because it's a State's right issue - and everything "progressives" want essentially is saying "please mommy federal government, be supreme commander"

Ohh makes sense to an extent. Sorry, the OP comes off way more bigoted than you make it to be here. It seemed like the issue was the introduction of those additional guaranteed rights, not the method by which the rights were pushed on society. I get your point and agree for the most part.

Yes and no. One is a potential life, while the other is living and breathing in front of you. You bring up a good point; that's why the debate becomes so heated I suppose. Oh well, as long as everyone is distracted by argument over these topics, those in power are free to do what they really want.

LGBT rights don't take rights away from you. Transgender tolerance in no way effects you. You are trying to preserve white privilege with this post.

There's certainly a difference between the right fighting to ban certain people from getting married or smoking pot and the left fighting for equal treatment for minority groups. You do understand that, right?

and the left banning certain people from speaking at places and expressing their opinions.

FTFY

Is the left part of the government doing this?

fuck the government

I'd like your argument better without the use of typical snowflake in it, just saying.

You are trying to preserve white privilege with this post. All you need is to shit talk affirmative action and it would be the stereotypical angry white guy post.

Typical snowflake hypocrite.

No, this person is a racist.

I think OP forgot to include 'feminist tolerance' or something of the sort as well...because you know we have to keep all the minorities separate and in check or whatever. /s

When transgender high school athletes are competing with girls without any medical changes, it does impact society. When high school girls have to accept women with penises in their locker rooms, it does impact those girls and their families. I am not saying I agree or disagree with Any of these things but to act like the debate on incorporating transgender persons into all aspects of society is without impact is sort of selfish. There are very real issues that need to be considered and worked out. It's not the same thing as gay rights.

When transgender high school athletes are competing with girls without any medical changes, it does impact society. When high school girls have to accept women with penises in their locker rooms, it does impact those girls and their families.

Can you provide sources for the above cases? I bet for every case you find that supports the above statements I can find at least 10 where the opposite is true. Where transgender teens are constantly bullied to the point of suicide. Cases of gay youth and suicide were quite high not too long ago. Transgender may be sensationalized by MSM but MSM is far from lived experiences of everyday teens struggling with the issues.

This isn't solely about left/right, democrats/republican politics in America. It is about creating forums where we as people can talk about these issues to arrive at some understanding for the lived experiences of others rather than sweep them under the rug out of fear and ignorance.

Those two things aren't equal opposites I'm sorry to tell you. Getting bullied and changing your sex to compete with a different gender are not the same. Men are stronger and more physical on the whole. Period. Men and women are different. If they weren't - why is it so important for transgendered people to live as one or the other?

Getting bullied sucks. But honestly I think every kid gets a touch of it growing up. Overcome it. Be strong. That's all you can do.

And the "touch" of bullying you received is not an equal opposite to the bullying trans people receive. Obviously you have to be strong, anyone saying otherwise is a dumb fuck. And ofcourse men and women are different, anyone saying otherwise is a bigger dumb fuck. But you have given zero reasons why we should not at least try to be somewhat accommodating and understanding and you are coming off as someone who just doesn't want anything to happen so you don't have to think about a complex issue.

I think zero percent about that issue BECAUSE as per my last post - if that makes you happy fucking go for it. Fucking do it.

If I overheard someone "bullying" a transgendered person - you know what, I'd likely stick up for that person, depending on the situation. I can't always be captain fucking planet, but I'd definitely assess the situation and see what I can bring to it/not. That's me and how I'd deal with things. That's all I can really say.

I'm not saying you have to stand up for anybody, but you're doing yourself a disservice by not thinking more on the issue. It's complicated and every human defaults to disliking things that are different. It''s on you to dig into complex/foreign topics and find out if it's an acceptable or unacceptable difference and why.

I'm fine with whatever you do. Period. If you're into changing your sex I don't care. I'm for someone having an abortion. Honestly I don't think I could even do it. That's not for me. I don't think I could ever decide that. But if someone wants to I understand them wanting to and that's that. I wouldn't protest against it. I wouldn't protest for it. If you want to do it, do that.

Do you see yet where I'm coming from?

http://www.courant.com/sports/high-schools/hc-hs-cromwell-track-andraya-yearwood-0407-20170406-story.html

http://archive.seattleweekly.com/home/932155-129/story.html

I'd be the first to oppose transgendered females competing against females. It's not a real issue, it's not something liberals are dying to force on you either

Who cares, sports aren't important.

For the record I do not give a fuck what anyone does with their life so long as it doesn't impact me. Be gay, be straight, change your sex, keep your sex as it is - I don't give a fuck.

But white privilege? Go be ANY of those things you mentioned in a non-white country. I'm sorry but white people are the most accepting of all these liberal changes. I think for the most part white people are just done hearing about it. Go fucking do what you need to do and fuck off about it. There is no freer countries in the world than "white" countries. Period.

That doesn't mean we can't take the best ideas from around the world and add them to make our country even better.

I am for less laws. Aside from that I think you can pretty much do what you want here. Marriage between man and woman should be less about "law" than it is. And I say that very very very happily married.

Wrong on all accounts. "LGBT" rights does affect me because it is pushed by culture creators who control young people - and get under their mental faculties in ways they can't understand.

How do LGBT rights affect you?

Their rights do not affect your life whatsoever.

Someone hasn't heard of bill C-16 in Canada. Or the law in NYC: http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/html/law/gender-identity-legalguidance.shtml

It's a matter of positive rights rather than the belief in unalienable rights, which in my estimation, only leads to more "rights" that trample on other people's rights.

Oh, so their rights don't affect you now, but maybe sometime in the future.

That still doesn't explain what rights you would theoretically give up.

Freedom of speech and expression?

So if I'm white and grew up poor and was oppressed by police by being arrested and physically assaulted multiple times...how does that affect your world view? You likely wont believe me, even though it's true.

How do you stereotype and discriminate against white people and continue to hold the belief that you aren't a pathetic racist yourself?

What was the intent of that?? Do you want a cookie I'm confused?

Just anecdotal evidence that "white privilege" does not exist and is a tool used to keep people blaming eachother. If people realize it is the elite class oppressing us all equally, instead of their white suburban neighbors, it might help a tad.

Sorry I'm confused

You don't think white privilege exist because the elites oppressed us all.

Or

The transgendered and LGBT agenda definitely affects you if you're trying to raise kids. I am a young dude and I didn't know what being gay was till I was probably 11. Now kids are encouraged to be questioning from the get go. It's not good to sexually confuse kids before they can comprehend what sex is.

So you're lack of sexual awareness is grounds for what exactly???

"It's not good to sexually confuse kids before they can comprehend what sex is"

1. That's a slippery fucking slope
2. Sounded kinda stupid

What the fuck is going on, praising affirmative action in a conspiracy forum?

Fuck the Christian Right.

And fuck the regressive left

That just makes more of them.

Tolerance as it is today is cancer.

It's moral relativism to the nth degree. If I let my neighbor continue in grave error because i 'tolerate' him that's not serving his good or society's. Its having the opposite effect and allowing society to degenerate.

Fall of Rome anyone?

Did you know Rome fell after it became Christian. Just an FYI.

Greeks then.

And something something Nero but frankly I'm ignorant of that history. Assumed runaway liberalism was the cause.

Greeks fell to Rome of course.

As for the fall of Rome, It wasn't liberal and Gibbon blaming the poor for the fall of Rome is no less stupid than modern propagandists blaming the poor for that collapse of 2008. The largest financial collapse in known history, that collapse of 2008.

Rome was never Christian though

Is there some angle to this statement, along the lines of Catholics aren't Christian, or are you just ignorant?

Please, look it up. Rome was Christian before the fall to the Northern Europeans.

Ruling from 379 to 395, Emperor Theodosis I was the first emperor to decree that all citizens should be Christian.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/timeline_13.html

Did you know causation=correlation? What kind of silly bull is this. I'm sure the fall of Rome had nothing to do with the increasing power of land owners outside of Rome acquiring more power under the increasingly widespread feudal system of production leading to a lessening dependence on Rome; or that increasing temperatures and more advanced farming methods led to a huge population boom in Northern Europe, which was unable to be sustained leading then to pillage (among other things) the southern lands. No I'm sure Rome fell because the people worshiped one god instead of another god.

I was replying to this comment. I know why Rome fell. But I would cite the land stolen from the small land holders as a major part of the problem as well.

Tolerance as it is today is cancer.

It's moral relativism to the nth degree. If I let my neighbor continue in grave error because i 'tolerate' him that's not serving his good or society's. Its having the opposite effect and allowing society to degenerate.

Fall of Rome anyone?

I was replying to this comment. I know why Rome fell. But I would cite the land stolen from the small land holders as a major part of the problem as well.

Tolerance as it is today is cancer.

It's moral relativism to the nth degree. If I let my neighbor continue in grave error because i 'tolerate' him that's not serving his good or society's. Its having the opposite effect and allowing society to degenerate.

Fall of Rome anyone?

If I let my neighbor continue in grave error because i 'tolerate' him that's not serving his good or society's.

And what do we consider a grave error?

Well that's where we return to moral relativism: no one knows anymore so most just default to legality aka the state rather than try philosophy.

I could hash out some pretty sound arguments on how bad things like abortion, porn, and the current culture of sex are detrimental to society but they'll go unheard because 'you can't judge me'

A new forefront of this battle is doctor assisted suicide- of that's becomes commonplace the state will eventually get a say in who loves and dies. Check out that whole Charlie Gard fiasco.

Um, what?

How do you define morality? Subjectively or objectively?

Tptb for some time now have sought to undermine any kind of objective moral knowledge on place of subjective 'feel good' morality. Where the person defines for themselves what is right and wrong. Making it more an emotional argument.

Since no can argue the ground they stand on they rely on the courts to decide for them and they become precedents.

Morality is objective; it isn't dictated my majority.

Interracial marriage was deemed morally wrong and illegal for a looooooooooooong time.

Mm yes and who decided interracial marriage was wrong? The state right?

People did.

This guy is going to forum-slide any cogent discussion, consider that when deciding to reply.

He's a 13 day old account who made almost 300 comments this week and only took a 3 hour break from commenting during the entire holiday weekend.

Awh balls. Bamboozled again.

Apparently, they offend by not following the dogma their neighbors have bought.

Choosing to believe dogma is far more offensive to my freedom than gay marriage, gay sex and other exotic sexual variety, abortion, or other crap dogma believers will try to sell me. They have no good arguments, just fear without foundation. It's a symptom of their chosen mental disease and they want to infect others with it.

How about you follow the golden rule? Would you like me to force my objection to your private life onto your private life? It appears you would not like that standard applied to you.

"trying to preserve white privilege with this post" whats the odds 2 separate posters would use the exact same phrase in this thread?

Yes preaching acceptance and welcoming of all is totally the same as repression and hiding.

"Acceptance" as long as you shut the fuck up if your thoughts aren't within "acceptable" bounds. I thought the least common ground we all share here is that attempts to ban a certain type of speech is an attack on freedom itself.

Yes, not accepting someone is unacceptable. It's hypocritical but to me, it's preferable to allowing intolerance of things people can't change. I can't change what religion my parents were or the color of my skin, I can change not acting like an asshole to people who come from different backgrounds or don't believe the same things as me.

There's a difference between not liking gay people so you don't associate with them, and parading around with a sign that says "God Hates Fags"

Yes, not accepting someone is unacceptable.

This skips the point of determining what needs to be "accepted."

Its all a game of Victim Points to the Left. Its whatever you can do to get the most Victim Points and let everyone else know how many Victim Points you have. and If you can't get enough Victim Points then you need to show everyone how much of a stink you can put up on behalf of people with Victim Points and how offended you can be on someone else behalf so you gain pseudo-Victim Points. and if you don't play their game, you're a White Supremacist and your're the one creating all the victims.

Binary thinkers are crazy by choice.

Its almost like a large chunk of the population are satisfied to know they aren't on the team of idiots/bigots/fools

..satisfaction from not being an idiot. Sounds foolish to me. Seeing right and wrong is different from KNOWING right or wrong.

The problem is there is no agreement on some of the rights and wrongs.

Naw i don't believe that, well; for a psychopath it might be difficult

Everyone knows right and wrong, even a psychopath.

Many just give themselves a pass, they know what they are doing is wrong, they feel murder is their god given right. not giving yourself a pass, thats true good.

I don't think murder is the only item on the good, bad, list.

Zealots are zealots, whatever the label. Stupid monkey humans will have their "Revealed truths", whether it's from some Sky Daddy or their own diseased 'minds'.

You think those pushing for equal rights are just as offensive to your freedom as those pushing against equal rights?

So the last commenter was a "typical snowflake," but you're proving to be little more than frightened and triggered. Ensuring equal rights for people does not take anything away from you, and this is coming off more as you finding homosexuality to be incredulous.

I don't remember Jesus ever pandering for money so I'm not sure how to address the second half of your comment.

Sorry I'm confused

You don't think white privilege exist because the elites oppressed us all.

Or