inb4 pant suit platoon

pant suit platoon

I.... i love it

Dress like Mao, looks like grandma.

grandMao?

Idk how this account bypassed the 7 day account age rule. That's the only surprising thing about it

Not really surprising unfortunately.

The fact that it did proves that OP contacted a mod and that a mod allowed it. Which is good because this is a completely relevant post to this subreddit and it is full of great links.

The entire point of the 7 day account rule is stop shitposting and shill tactics.

But hey, I am sure none of that is going to stop your comment from getting gang-upvoted though. Because the "totally real users of this subreddit" love gang-upvoting any comments which could been seen as a distraction from a valid post.

Because the "totally real users of this subreddit" love gang-upvoting any comments which could been seen as a distraction from a valid post.

They are so obvious and easy to point out as well which make sit even funnier.

Chill man, I love the post. Sorry, I've accepted the contents as reality for quite some time. Didn't mean to sound callous

But also, this post is from an account less than an hour old that has some strange bounty offer for services not specified. I take back what I said about the Clinton post because this one is actually odd. The Clinton one is exactly what I'd been hoping for for a while

Because the "totally real users of this subreddit" love gang-upvoting any comments which could been seen as a distraction from a valid post.

How's that prediction turning out?

Gee, its almost as if human beings can suddenly change their minds out of spite or after being called out on something.

That must be it. The shills were so afraid of your scorn they backed off.

Shills can't even get near this thread, because the only thing available to attack are the users themselves. This post is fucking solid as fuck.

That's comprehensive! Also, no more 7 day minimum for posting here? Cool

7 day minimum?

The account made the post when it was half an hour old, but there was a rule stating you need an account age of 7 days to post on the sub.

I'm not quite sure how this happened. The 7 day minimum is still in effect, and our AutoMod rule appears to be working on other posts. It does not appear that any mod approved the post and none of us added the user as a submitter. My guess is that either there was a conflict between two AutoMod rules or that it somehow slipped through otherwise. I'll probably take a look over the weekend.

I won't be removing the post as it's generated a fair bit of good discussion at this point.

Thank you for your service.

Hey man, have you seen this post?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6yugib/20000_usd_bounty/?st=J7BV49ZU&sh=2097e404

Also under a day old, but this one solicits for tracking services and offers a $20K bounty. Not one to bitch, just find it weird that two slid past the account age requirement in such a short amount of time.

Thanks for the heads up.

Fuckery is afoot.

Fuckery started when CEO started editing users posts. Then reddit decided to no longer be open source after weirdness on the mod team here. We need transparency from the mods here.

Public modlogs is better than you get on the big controlled subs.

Do you want my tax returns too?

No. Less rules. Rules=censorship. Let the upvotes & downvotes do there thing even if the admins are manipulating them.

Yeah I like the post and didn't mean to take away from it.

Have you seen this other post linked below from an account under a year old that offers a $20K bounty for unspecified tracking services?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6yugib/20000_usd_bounty/?st=J7BV49ZU&sh=2097e404

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6ys5jq/hillary_clintons_what_happened/dmqkfzq/

Removes comments, not posts.

Yeah, it's weird. It's removing some of the posts but not others. I won't get a chance to really dig into the cause until the weekend.

Safe to assume the mods were contacted ahead of time and manually approved this one.

They said they weren't, same for this post

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6yugib/20000_usd_bounty/?st=J7BV49ZU&sh=2097e404

Either way they had to manually approve it.

Can a mod maybe give us insight into why something like this would be approved?

Well done sir!

Oh a lot of that is cover story and propaganda and political attacks. Hillary wasn't popular with a large number of Democratic voters, but that doesn't mean we voted for Trump the turnip.

The real reason Hillary lost was successful voter suppression, and oh the single stupidest thing she did was call Trump's voters, deplorables. That made it hard for me to vote for her more than anything because to me it was a major bit of evidence conservative third way deplorables were running her campaign.

I wrote in Bernie rather than vote Hillary. She stole the primary and subverted the will of the People along with the DNC, I wasn't about to reward them for that.

She didn't steal the primary, the Republican voter suppression and political dirty tricks stole it and they used the MSM to blame Hillary.

The Republicans didn't use the MSM...Hillary and the DNC did. They utilized the Pied Piper strategy...CNN only covered Trump as much as they did because Hillary and her goons thought he would be easiest to beat, and so had their friendly journalists in the Corporate Media push Trump as the front-runner, which turned into its own thing (as history has shown). The RNC didn't purge voter rolls in Brooklyn, they didn't block people with their Tour bus in Massachusetts, they didn't have the fucking AP call Cali the day before anyone even voted...that was all the DNC/HRC. Don't shift the blame, Hillary and her corrupt party are the reasons Trump won and the reasons disaffected voters like me refused to vote for her corrupt ass.

Attached to this email is the Pied Piper strategy- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120

This. Citation given. She was clearly picked for DNC, despite Bernie being the clear leader. Then she picked Donald Trump to run against... and lost.

She's terrible. And terrible for continuing to pay for shills to ruin this sub and all of reddit.

despite Bernie being the clear leader.

He had his doors blown off on Super Tuesday and lost by 4 million votes. Cut the bullshit.

Hahaha. Keep telling yourself that.

Winning argument there, sport.

Those are objectively true statements.

It is objectively true that the DNC favored Hillary during the primaries.

It is objectively true that Bernie Sanders was clearly a higher-popularity candidate.

It is objectively true that the primaries were cheated over and over and over. I went to my local caucus election and sat there and watched it with my own eyes.

It is objectively true that she picked DJT as a "Pied Piper" candidate to run against, so she could easily win. See the citations earlier in the thread for their own internal emails as a source.

It is objectively true that, even though they cheated, they controlled the media, and they spent a virtually unlimited amount of money, they lost.

It is objectively true that the DNC favored Hillary during the primaries.

After Sanders was all but mathematically eliminated but still kept attacking her relentlessly, sure.

It is objectively true that Bernie Sanders was clearly a higher-popularity candidate.

If that were true he wouldn t have lost by 4 million votes.

It is objectively true that the primaries were cheated over and over and over. I went to my local caucus election and sat there and watched it with my own eyes

That's a load of horseshit.

It is objectively true that she picked DJT as a "Pied Piper" candidate to run against, so she could easily win. See the citations earlier in the thread for their own internal emails as a source.

This is right on the money.

It is objectively true that, even though they cheated,

They didn't.

they controlled the media,

They obviously didn't, considering how much negative coverage she got throughout the entire race.

and they spent a virtually unlimited amount of money, they lost

Again, right on the money.

3 month old account that mostly posts about trump Russia conspiracy, just sayin

Those posts dominate the political related conspiracies now. I am not very interested in aliens, secret societies, and some of the other conspiracies posted here. I do love the ancient global civilization posts.

Judging a user's time on reddit by the age of the user name is not very accurate.

I judged you based on what you post and comment about.

And that judgement is what?

Not really a judgement really just pointing it a fact, trying to bait me, eh? Weak

You had to point it out, how am I suppose to react?

Try harder bro

OP is a 3 hour account this is his only post in 3 subs.

Oh great, now Hillary was framed by the Republicans! I guess I look forward to Hillary putting that in her list of people to blame in her sequel to this garbage fest she's got coming out next week...

I didn't say, "Hillary was framed by the Republicans," I am saying the election was stolen by the Republicans and it looks like they had help from Russia. Hillary was scapegoated, not exactly the same thing.

Wake up dude- the democrats made the whole Russia BS up to keep dumb rubes voting for them after they fucked up

You are revising history awful quick now aren't you?

No, you are being told a false narrative about that stolen election. And go along with it instead of seeing the obvious.

I was there. I went through it. I'm a news and political junkie. I watched every debate in the primaries and general. I caught EVERYTHING. Especially the MSM ignoring Bernie while giving Trump and Clinton massive news coverage.

Don't play games, bot.

Yea and the republicans gave debate questions to Hillary- wake up dude

I wrote him in too!!

I identify somewhat with the left but after seeing that shit go down it cemented the idea that classic DNC liberals are more of an enemy of mine than the right.

DemInvade my friend. Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Kentucky, Missouri, Nebraska- already captured by Our Revolution and Berniecrats. We would have had Cali if they hadn't blatantly cheated, and we have everything but the Chairmanship there and in Massachusetts.

Showing strong gains in Minnesota too.

She stole the primary

How?

By getting 3 million more votes than he did. What a monster.

And in the process essentially voted against everything he stood for. Interesting.

Bernie isn't a cult leader. I voted my conscious, no point in assenting to one choice or the other when they both lead to the destruction of the Republic.

I can't take anyone seriously that wrote in Bernie. You don't get to complain about Trump at all.

I voted, and thus I do get to complain. Get off your high horse lol.

No you didn't. You can pretend like you get to pick the rules, but you knew nothing would come of your write in. I'm on a reality horse. Every voters action has a consequence and unless you believe that Hillary and Trump were the same, then you don't get to complain.

They lead to the same road, don't you see? You think Hillary was in this for you, for me, for the country? She was power hungry, her husband helped loot this country with policies like NAFTA, she would do the same, especially considering she supported Obama policies like CAFTA, TPP, TPIP, TISA, etc. Your version of reality is buying into the shit 2-party duopoly, which is exactly what they want.

I'm able to tell my children I didn't consent to the continued destruction of the Republic under either candidate. If HRC wanted to win, she could have been a better candidate, and a better person, instead of the corrupt Corporatist she is. She tried to guilt everyone into voting for her by being better on Social issues, while neglecting the actual economic issues underlying the whole goddamn mess the Republic is in. A vote for HRC was a vote for corruption. It was an acquiescence to the shitty status quo, and an admittance that nothing will ever get better. Sorry- I'm not signing up for that.

Perhaps I'm too pragmatic, but I think its pretty naïve to think that life isn't better for minorities and the average American under even a corporate democratic rule. You can tell you children all you want, you just better hope they don't identify as trans, are sexually assaulted while in school, or believe in climate change. That's going to be much more difficult to explain.

No, it wont be difficult. Because the future will be better, when we get actual Social Democrats and Social Democracy in this country. When we return the Party to its New Deal roots. A minor setback is sometimes necessary for the greater good of everyone. As I said, HRC was a consent to the corruption of the system. Bernie offered hope and a new way forward, and the majority of Millennials, and even Democrats in general, are in favor of this.

The Party was strong when it actually fought for workers instead of Corporations. There is nothing but victory in returning to a Party of The People. My vote against HRC was to ensure a better future for my children, especially if they're Trans, assaulted in school, and believe in Climate Change. Because following HRC's path will undermine their future even more, since she doesn't want to solve the underlying economic issues. My kids wont be able to debate trans rights when they're living in abject poverty and the Middle Class no longer exists.

I wrote him in, too!

Pretty sure she lost because the majority of Americans thought she was terrible

Pretty sure that is easier than knowing our election was stolen, and how do you justify believing what the news says about Hillary but claim they only give you fake news?

You don't have to watch the news to understand that the majority of people did not like Hillary Clinton, at least where I live (suburban southern NY). Anyone I ever talked to personally were Bernie supporters and Trump supporters, the only people voting for Hillary were women, people voting completely along party lines or Never Trumpers. She had almost no grassroots movement to speak of and nobody in their right mind would think that she had anywhere near the popularity of Trump or Bernie.

Where do you get the assertion that I believe the news at all? You shouldn't just discredit sources offhandedly in the first place, the point is to absorb all media and make your own discernment.

And where is there any proof that this election was stolen in favor of Trump? It's far more likely that Hillary Clinton engaged in heavy amounts of voter fraud to pad her vote, and in reality she likely lost by millions to Trump. This was reflected right in the DNC's internal documents that were being leaked to 4chan throughout the summer that showed the DNC establishment in panic because they knew they were going to lose without massive fraud to help them... yet somehow that didn't reflect upon the mainstream media's outlook on the election, very strange...

The evidence and proof of the DNC and Hillary colluding to defraud Sanders of the nomination is thickly apparent, and it's clear they were going to try the same tactics again versus Trump until people behind the scenes intervened. Watch some of Steve Pieczenik's videos from around the election and you'll get a much more accurate story of what happened. The idea that Trump and the Republicans stole their votes and the elections is simply bafflingly ridiculous.

The evidence and proof of the DNC and Hillary colluding to defraud Sanders of the nomination is thickly apparent, and it's clear they were going to try the same tactics again versus Trump until people behind the scenes intervened.

Why I find your comments not believable, This is the story pushed hard by conservatives.

I don't like Hillary very much, I voted Obama, then Sanders, but that doesn't lead to a vote for Trump or not voting.

And that is the story I heard post election. And voter suppression was the real reason Hillary lost and most of the subterfuge was conservative origin, including the Russian propaganda.

Just because it's conservatives calling out Clinton and DNC on corruption in no way makes it untrue. These are hard facts, the only people denying them are hardline Clinton voters who can't accept that their candidate lost because she was objectively awful.

She lost because she sucked. Russia did not force people to vote for Trump, and the Russian collusion narrative has been dead for weeks.

this.

Thanks for more of the conservative view. /s

Thanks for your worthless response, continue being irrelevant

У вас есть только ложь и оскорбления

Lol k

If you post it...they will come...she and her Brock goons are crawling all over Reddit and also r/conspiracy. I've been called a shill and accused of "subverting the DNC and it's potential supporters" for pointing out everything you have, on r/conspiracy nonetheless. To all you who would support HRC and the DNC- FUCK THE DNC. You created this mess, you started the party's civil war, you caused the division, and we WILL take the party from the hands of the Oligarchs, corporatists, and every one of you who defend them. Enjoy the downvotes OP, you're doing the work of the righteous.

I've been meaning to do this for awhile. Will you please point out to me the Brock Brigade, Hillary shills, etc. when they respond to this post as you and others say they will? I am totally serious. I think the OP's stuff is FANTASTIC. But I am old and sometime don't see the stuff in ways you all seem to. Thank you.

Do you want him to call out specific shills?

Whatever you see that you all believe is bullshit tactics. I am genuinely interested.

Encouraging people to call out shills is encouraging people to directly break the rules that would result in a ban.

I'm not accusing you of trying to get people banned, just letting you know why your request probably wont be fulfilled.

Then I guess I shall remain ignorant. Thanks, anyways.

If they wanted to, they could point out the shills via pm without violating the rules.

That's a helpless quitters attitude.

Theres no way to definitively prove someone is or isnt a shill online. Sorry old man, you'll just have to use some critical thinking skills, a little patient observation, and come to the most reasonable conclusions you can, like the rest of us.

Posting faster than humanly possible in a sub with post/reply time limits is definitely a way to identify a bot

Cool. Now prove anyone's a shill.

Being able to post faster (saturate the conversation) with a specific viewpoint isn't shilling? It certainly implies some kind of conspiracy to allow one group over the other be able to post more..

Thanks for the downvote, buddy. Stay classy.

If you want to call bots shills, go ahead. It's been proven that bots have been used to manipulate voting and posts.

What hasn't been proven is that an individual account is part of the "Brock brigade" using specific, identifiable "tactics".

Let's go back in the conversation:

Will you please point out to me the Brock Brigade, Hillary shills,

Whatever you see that you all believe is bullshit tactics.

Now go read the comment he originally responded to, the one talking about shills being "all over Reddit" and making personally directed comments at him

Do you think he's talking about bots being used to make posts and engage in artificial voting, or do you think he was talking about actual astroturfing account who are in comments sections

How is down voting being un classy? Lol

I think you're getting a little too into it here bud.

There are accounts out there that are used for X and Y

He asked for any general information as well, stating he was unsure of any of it and would like any kind of info possible ..

I mentioned something and you got all affected by the fact I wasn't specific enough for you.

Show me where I got "all affected".

I said, "cool", and then you got all affected that I didn't shower you with praise, lol

Sent you a pm

• http://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook

• http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/reddit-ceo-admits-editing-pro-trump-posts-article-1.2888933

I have a feeling they've spent a lot more than 1 million dollars

Encouraging people to call out shills is encouraging people to directly break the rules that would result in a ban.

Especially when those shills worm their way into mod positions.

There are pattern recognition tests online. You should take one! :)

Hillary lost ten months ago. I'm not demanding Trump fealty, but anyone denying she cheated during the primaries, at this point, is just a shill.

Donna Brazile was literally fired from CNN for helping Hillary cheat by passing her debate questions beforehand and anyone who doesn't have a problem with that can absolutely go fuck themselves.

You will see it when they come, don't worry, however sometimes they just focus on the downvote brigade. If you want to see them in action, here is the link to the read I mentioned- https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6xvxz2/breaking_dnc_fraud_lawsuit_provides_update_hope/

Fair enough. Whatever you can point out please do. Thanks.

Thanks for pointing this out, and thoughtfully asking for help in this matter. I, too, would appreciate this kind indulgence, as well.

Woah! Very good example.

Go to controversial. Easy to distinguish. " Republican voter suppression is to blame, not Hillary is a good example. Funny question m, bc it is not hard to do.

Would data work? Because the only thing you can do to prove the shills are here is to show the discrepancies in polling data and the demographics of reddit. A small post I did showing the data of reddit, and current pollings As a side not, realize Hillary has a 30% approval rating currently. She is at the bottom of the pack, make observations on how many people defend or deflect against her. Go to new articles in politics, and pay attention to the tone, especially any articles criticizing her or the DNC.

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/r/WayOfTheBern openly encourages people to cross-post and comment on linked posts. No one from /r/conspiracy need worry about using a np link to us.

I love your statistical breakdown for /r/politics, I've linked to it a few times in arguments about the shilling in there.

Thank you. I was very frustrated seeing what politics turned into after the DNC convention. And was extremely frustrated that the mass amount of observations from various people meant nothing. So I hunted down reddits demographics, and compared that to who they support. So I started getting the argument the D's are more supportive of the DNC now. So I used data to rpove that claim was BS as well. 18 point drop among left leaning I's and a 12 point drop among D's or lean D's. There is no way to explain this data away. When you compare politics posts now from before the convention. The data telss us it should be even more anti establishment/anti-Democrat than during the primary. One look at politics can tell you that the data is off, or that neoliberals/pro establishment are vastly over represented on reddit.

I'm way too high to contribute to anything but I just wanted to give you a reply :)

This is why the smaller subs get their posts downvoted, to assure this does not happen.

We constantly see this in action on so many posts as quickly as they're posted.

It's amazing that you're missing the obvious right in front of your face.

The demographics that use Reddit skew liberal.

When Bernie was still a candidate, he was the more liberal candidate and was the most liked.

When he was no longer a candidate, liberal people move to the next most liberal person. It also works both ways, look at how many "never Trump" Republicans actually did vote Trump.

Go to new articles in politics, and pay attention to the tone, especially any articles criticizing her or the DNC.

Again, it's a subreddit that leans liberal. It always has.

You're saying that liberals up voting a liberal candidate and downvoting conservative ones is it of the ordinary. It isn't.

Bernie still gets more upvotes than Hillary. Which fits perfectly with your numbers.

Also pay attention to all, and notice that nothing critical of her or the DNC, ever makes it there. Because at that point it's beyond their control to manipulate.

That doesn't make sense. Either they can control everything or they can't.

And we're circling back to the top. Reddit demographics skew liberal. So liberal topics tend to get more upvotes.

For a short the t_d found a way around it using quick stickies that, due to the Reddit algorithm, would put their posts on the front page due to the votes/min count. Also, notice how where you say they don't have "control" yet the t_d posts that get any traction there reach all and are immediately downvoted back down.

No doubt there are "shills", but as we've seen most of it is about posting links and then using bots to artificially push those stories up.

No they skew progressive, not liberal. You're trying to combine a fractured party into one, to support your argument.

No, you're trying to split hairs to support your argument.

Interchange the two and my argument still stands.

Let us take a quick tour of new. And check out the top comment, and the most controversial comment. So the data tells us the major demographic are millenials, and of that demographic have huge support for Sanders. So we shouldn;t see any comments praising Hillary, and bashing Bernie. Hillary is sitting at a 30% approval, Bernie is the most popular politician months on end. Care to play?

Let us take a quick tour of new.

What an awful way to choose your sample set.

Reddit has done research on its user base. We already know the demographics to a fairly close degree.

So the data tells us the major demographic are millenials, and of that demographic have huge support for Sanders. So we shouldn;t see any comments praising Hillary, and bashing Bernie. Hillary is sitting at a 30% approval, Bernie is the most popular politician months on end. Care to play?

Again, that's not how it works. You can't pick and choose individual data you want.

What party did millennial vote for in the election?

Who was the nominee in for that party?

Bernie is still the most popular politician on Reddit and frankly it isn't even close.

How much more popular is he then Trump on reddit? The_Donald gets a ton of traffic.

SandersforPresident still gets a decent amount and he lost.

Of course there's still activity in a subreddit dedicated to the sitting president. It would be weird if they suddenly disappeared. That said, even their numbers have dwindled post election when they now have to defend the president rather than deflect to attack Hillary.

Posts about Bernie can regularly hit the front page. We literally just saw it happen with his remarks on DACA and it been happening with his health care speaking your.

When did they have more than 488k?

You know your comment makes no sense regarding anything I wrote right?

You said The_Donalds numbers went down. When was it higher than 488k?

Activity

Did you miss that word?

Carry on.

It's pretty easy to understand.

I get it, you're defensive because I claimed the truth about your safe space.

carry on

It looks like you're done then. Good talk.

lol you're an obvious find. You didn't keep the conversation going, you simply side stepped... saying "activity" with a snarky remark instead of adding to the discussion and saying why T_D having it's highest subscriber count (IIRC) is irrelevant to your point.

I literally said activity. Read slower before getting triggered.

Good talk, Chad.

Liberal is the term corporatists use to describe themselves when they want to sound progressive.

No, it's a word that means the left of center politics in America.

The overlap in people who say they're "progressive" and "liberal" is overwhelming.

The fact that of everything I wrote the only issue you have is that I used standard language says a lot.

I'm not arguing the definition. I'm simply saying that when someone describes themselves as liberal it is usually someone who both fails to embrace left of center ideas and receives large donations from special interests that conflict with the alleged left of center stance.

"If you ask me about my views on the environment, on women's rights, on gay rights, I am liberal. I don't have a problem with that at all."

-Bernie Sanders

Remember when the admins adjusted the algorithm, and it only affected T_D posts? They screwed up and all of the sudden the entire front page was filled with T_D. Its pretty clear that the Admins made it so that votes on T_D posts aren't weighted as heavily so that they don't appear on the front page as often.

Remember when the admins adjusted the algorithm, and it only affected T_D posts?

The only part that affects them differently is the sticky abuse.

Which is to say, they took away the method for abusing the system.

They screwed up and all of the sudden the entire front page was filled with T_D. Its pretty clear that the Admins made it so that votes on T_D posts aren't weighted as heavily so that they don't appear on the front page as often.

Again, it applies to everyone:

"The algorithm change is fairly simple—as a community is represented more and more often in the listing, the hotness of its posts will be increasingly lessened. This results in more variety in r/all."

You're avoiding my question. It was clear that the Admins were messing with the algorithm specifically to target T_D. Maybe you aren't aware of when it happened, but it was obvious to those who were paying attention. And I'm not talking about using stickies.

No, I'm not.

And that isn't clear at all. You're making a gigantic assumption regarding programming that you've never seen.

And I'm not talking about using stickies.

That's literally the only thing they have that others don't. But others will if they abuse them.

I take it that you don't remember when a Reddit programer fucked up in their manipulation of vote counts and for a short time nearly all of the front page and subsequent pages were T_D posts. Its clear that, whatever they were doing, they were specifically targeting T_D. Most reasonable explanation is that they were adjusting the vote-count weighting for the sub and accidentally did the inverse of what they wanted to do.

I was there, I just have multiple engineering degrees and I do a bit of programming every day so I know to not jump to conclusions.

You're taking one instance and then trying to assume exactly what the code does even though clearly it wasn't anywhere near finished.

You're assuming. I'm not.

The reason for them not getting to the front page is because of the explanation I already gave you combined with dwindling activity in the sub compared to peak campaign.

Yup, I'm assuming based on their past behavior and fairly obvious intention to suppress the sub. You don't need "multiple engineering degrees" to see that. I think that you're judgement on the issue may be clouded by your bias.

You're assuming, meaning you have no actual idea. Stop playing the victim.

I think that you're judgement on the issue may be clouded by your bias.

Or their code for ensuring posts that T_D stickies don't show up on the front page had the effect of catapulting every non-stickied post to the front page and it was a bug and it was then fixed? I was on that day and it was strange, but to assume that it an attempt to reduce the effect of T_D is a strong assumption. I still see T_D on r/all pretty regularly, too. Not all the time like I used to, but usually more than once a day.

And I'm not talking about using stickies.

No, read further in that chain to see what I was talking about.

Yeah, my post addresses your point specifically. Read it again. I was online when the whole front page was only T_D, and I'm assuming that's what you are referencing. I'm offering an alternative theory that it happened because of a bug in the code that was supposed to suppress stickies instead resulted in non-stickies to get to the front page automatically or easily. We will never know because we aren't reddit engineers, but my point was that your assumption that it was an attempt to suppress T_D in unsupported and at best pure conjecture.

Your theory doesn't explain why it would only target T_D non-stickied posts, which is why it doesn't make sense to me.

I'm hypothesizing that since the algorithm change specifically targeted stickied posts that there was a bug that caused it to, instead, affect non-stickied posts in the exact opposite way. I'm not claiming that it's the correct theory, I'm just pointing out that it's just as likely as your theory which you seem to think is 100% truth.

Its not just as likely because if that theory were true then you would see an even representation of non-stickied posts from all subs, not just T_D.

You really aren't following and I'm not sure why. No, you wouldn't see that if what I am suggesting is what happened. You would specifically only see T_D non-stickied posts because I'm implying that the bug is because reddit's algorithm (admittedly, by the admins) targeted stickied posts on T_D specifically. I've now made like 4 replies to an off-handed comment I made that was just pointing out that your theory isn't just true because you believe it. There is zero evidence for what you said and what I said, and that is my only point.

You are fairly obvious with your ban baiting here, but I am going to help you out a bit by getting you started on your way to understanding astroturfing in social media.

There is plenty of evidence out there about astroturfing organizations. I have compiled a few links. There are a varied number of political groups, corporate entities and nation states conducting propaganda operations in social media, with the USA having the largest number of registered astroturfing organizations.

There is a lot of info on the astroturfing organizations Correct the Record, ShareBlue and Media Matters. Their official mission statements that are publicly available state their intent to use propaganda for the DNC on the web and on social media such as Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. This implies the use of social community opinion management software and other tools.

Task force will help Clinton supporters push back on online harassment and thank superdelegates

Hillary Clinton PAC Spends $1 Million "Correcting" People Online And Reddit Is Furious

Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook

Podesta meets with super PACS (Priorities USA and CTR) at law firm (Perkins Coie LLP.)

Astroturf and manipulation of media messages | Sharyl Attkisson | TEDxUniversityofNevada

For further reading I would suggest these links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

Compilation of data regarding shill activity on reddit.

From the post:

So we know how popular Sanders and his positions are, yet politics is showing numbers that should not exist considering the raw data we're looking at. His ideals should still be the super majority it was prior to the DNC convention, yet it's not, not by a longshot. Single payer is getting shut down as well, an issue that only the staunchest of neoliberals would be against, yet it seems to be the prevailing view in politics.

How reddit is being manipulated

Reddit For Sale: How We Bought The Top Spot For $200

Reddit is Being Manipulated by Professional Shills Every Day

Guy makes short video where he explains that he has bought upvotes for his submission on /r/videos, submission has 20k+ upvotes before moderators deletes it to hide the incident

HOW THEY MAKE FAKE NEWS AND MANIPULATE REDDIT

How We Hacked Reddit to Generate 5 Million Media Impressions in 3 days

An Oxford research paper on astroturfing:

Troops, Trolls and Troublemakers: A Global Inventory of Organized Social Media Manipulation

From this Oxford research paper on astroturfing:

There is no doubt that individual social media users can spread hate speech, troll other users, or set up automated political communication campaigns. Unfortunately, this is also an organized phenomenon, with major governments and political parties dedicating significant resources towards the use of social media for public opinion manipulation.

... In many countries, political actors have no reported ability to field social media campaigns. In some countries, one or two known political actors occasionally use social media for political messaging, and in a few other countries there are multiple government agencies, political parties, or civil society groups organizing trolling and fake news campaigns.

Astroturfing Information Megathread- revision 8

I posted this in another thread about /r/MarchAgainstTrump but it fits /r/politics too, I'll recap

/r/MarchAgainstTrump uses bots to push posts and submissions as evidenced in these links.

More people need to be informed of these kinds of organizations.

These are a few examples:

• Evidence of MarchAgainstTrump moderator using 5 bot accounts to post almost 5000 articles to their sub in under 2 months
• 100% bombproof evidence of massive botting in /r/MarchAgainstTrump
• r/MarchAgainstTrump : out of the top 100 submissions for the month, 32 are from suspended or deleted accounts. 39 are from currently active bots.
• Manipulation, automation, and shenanigans are killing reddit. For example r/MarchAgainstTrump
• I'm heavily involved in the anti-Trump community on reddit, and I believe /r/MarchAgainstTrump needs to be stopped. Vote manipulation, botting, ban evasion, etc. Reddit needs to nuke that sub.
• More evidence of shenanigans by /r/MarchAgainstTrump
• A real-time illustration of gaming the #1 hot thread using r/MarchAgainstTrump as an example
• Even more proof that /r/MarchAgainstTrump is vote botting, courtesy of /u/CleanBaldy
• MarchAgainstTrump drops a 'T' from their name and creates new sub to evade /r/all filters. Hits front page with 26 subscribers. Reddit admins when will you openly address this problem?
• Are /r/MarchAgainstTrump and /r/esist cut from the same cloth?
• The Admins censor T_D for "spamming " the front page but /r/MarchAgainstTrump gets away with fucking retarded Shit posts and posts that are against Reddit ToS. Shit like this is killing this site.
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump is both exploiting the Portland tragedy for subscribers and claiming credit for a GoFundMe they have nothing to do with
• A 20 day old account with only 4 posts all on MAT (two have hit front page). This is its first post. They aren't even trying to hide the fact they are using bots.
• MAT is doing more suspicious shit
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump at it again with verified fake news
• r/MarchAgainstTrump has thread about reporter claiming Trump never visited hospital of shooting victim reach r/all, then locks thread after 2 hours to prevent people from commenting that the image is in fact false and the reporter made a retraction
• Guess what? Barawo33 did it yet again. Locked post with only his comment in order to gain karma in his BS sub
• r/MarchForTrump isn't even trying to hide how fake their upvotes are
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump moderators remove comments showing Acosta issued a correction in order to further their narrative
• New Anti-Trump sub "march agains trump" with 26 subscribers has a post at 764 post karma. Currently its over 2000 post karma

Now, several more botting anti-Trump subs have surfaced with nothing being done about them from the admins.

You are wrong about my "ban baiting." I don't think that way. One of the things I have observed on this sub is that people see Nefarious things everywhere. Not how I roll. Thank you for the information.

I'm a shill! :) Here reporting for duty.

Finally! A real life, shill. Bout time. I have many questions. #1)Do you all eat a special diet?

Nope.

Is there some type of blood oath involved?

Bravo

Hey, this kind of stuff is all good with me, it's the 4chan screen rips that "prove" the is the head of a satanic pedo ring I don't care for.

Her Brock army lives here now... it's disgusting

just have fun with it, I wonder when will they start posting verrified verrits

You can't take the party away from corporate leadership anymore than you could waltz into Wal-Mart HQ and give the workers a raise. The DNC is a corporation with owners. They won't let you in

Actually, if you start at the grassroots you can. Any registered Dem can vote for Precinct chairs in their district...who then vote for County Chairs, who vote for State Chairs, who vote for National Chairs. The party can't do shit if the grassroots plays the fucking game. That's what Our Revolution is all about my friend. We will steal the party from the grip of the Oligarchs or the movement of The People will die trying. There is no other option.

They rig the elections

They have, they did it against Kimberly Ellis in California, but that is now working it's way through the courts, and even if it does fail there, their reckless actions in Cali showed everyone nationwide their corruption. They can't rig every election, and as I said, the more local and lower we fight the harder and harder it is for them to rig elections. They fucked Ellis over because it was a state convention. If we take the Precinct Chairs from them we take everything from there up. It will be a long fight, it will be a slow fight, but it is a fight that can be won. Don't lose hope.

They can't rig every election

Yes they can

DemInvade.

As a newly minted precinct level Dem Delegate, this can and is working.

Yes u/FThumb ! Glad to hear it! Keep up the good work over at r/wayofthebern >:D

grass roots huh?

How did that work out for Ross Perot, Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders?

The porcupine didn't grow it's quills overnight, evolution takes time. Political change is slow, but not that slow, grassroots are making progress...don't give up!

I represent my district at both a state and county level now and I have helped elect several good people into office since I joined to support Sanders. It is working. We can't allow them to piss us off so bad they make us give up. #stillsanders #slaytheoliarchy

Bravo man, you're almost always on the mark. Give it time, and you'll prob be able to convince me about Flat Earth too!

Nevermind the party, we will take Earth back from the oligarchs, corporatist, and every spineless scumfuck who defends those who subvert compassion and love.

Well said!

Nevermind the party, we will take Earth back from the oligarchs, corporatist, and every spineless scumfuck who defends those who subvert compassion and love.

neither compassion nor love are evident in your post

your choice of wording seems as ironic as the idea of making the world safe for democracy via a series of imperalistic wars

Wow, what an analogy. I didn't think a couple vulgarities would be equal to war.

The party is dead, and good people do well to inform the rest of the population of the corruption.

3rd party. 3rd party. choice. Lemme say again. "a choice"

subverting the DNC and it's potential supporters

it seems like that might be some kind of /r/conspiracy merit badge or something.

Pretty sure, despite the sentiment the shills try to engender, subverting the GOP would also warrant a merit badge around here. I think very few of the original pre-election era users identified with a party.

of course, it would be a red badge instead of a blue one.

Red Badge of Carnage

I like how you're mad that someone called you a shill yet you're calling all these random people shills

I never called anyone specifically a shill. Don't want people to think you're a paid agent? Don't fucking act like one...it's simple really.

she and her Brock goons are crawling all over Reddit and also r/conspiracy.

Come on now, yes you did lmao

I didn't state anyone specifically, which is what I said :)

I am very happy to see this comment break the usual mold, expected to come in here and be greeted by a list of tagged accounts shitting all over this sub for posting facts about a horribly corrupt politician. "Hillary's not president and therefore irrelevant" you try to convince me? We'll see how long until her children ride her coattails to political relevancy and this dynasty continues to flourish.

I wouldn't say this is breaking the mold, every post like this has the top comments posting that the sub is full of shills.

They can have it.

If it ultimately proves un-savable. But current experience shows that it is possible. We are making progress in state parties, having captured the entire party apparatus in Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, Kentucky, Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado. We've taken everything but the Chairmanship in Cali (which they cheated to keep) and Massachusetts, and we're on the verge in Minnesota too. That's what Our Revolution was founded for- to take it from the ground up.

As I said elsewhere in this thread- the party can do nothing if the base actually engages. Any registered Dem can vote for Precinct Chairs, who vote for County Chairs, who vote for State Chairs, who vote for National Chairs. The inherent weakness of the party, its regionalism, is also the strongest part- because that is how the Citizens can take back control. That is how we steal the actual party bureaucracy from these fools.

I think our best bet for regaining the Republic starts with regaining the Party, which starts at the most local of levels, and trickles upwards. That is what the Grassroots really are. They would love nothing more than for us to marginalize ourselves in a 3rd Party right now, because they know how inherently week their own position is if the People stand up. Have faith friend, we can fucking do this!

Comments like this make me think of this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqnMrynpq9U

Dang nice post.. surprised it hasnt been [deleted]

OP, you used a lot of past tense... This fucking bullshit is still ONGOING. Fuck the "democrats". They did this shit to themselves. We don't need these corrupt fucks. This is the PERFECT opportunity to start a new party. Fuck these corrupt pieces of shit. They no longer represent the people.

I'm with you...I agree fully...Don't save a sinking ship...get off of it and board one that floats and has nice food for a change.

What does this new ship "look like"?

Just waiting for someone to mention how this post makes this sub T_D 2.0.

Wait no longer, you just mentioned it! How helpful!

Reading comprehension isn't a strong suit for some.

do you not know what the word mention means?

Where did he say how this sub is don 2.0

Just waiting for someone to mention how this post makes this sub T_D 2.0.

men·tion

verb 1. refer to something briefly and without going into detail.

No, where does he say how this post makes it don 2.0

By what mechanism does this post make the sub don 2.0

He didn't say how. He said someone else would say how

By what mechanism does this post make the sub don 2.0

Did the user say that someone will come in and explain the mechanism by which this post is proof that the sub is T_D? No, they did not. They said they were waiting for someone to mention it. He just did.

how

/hou/ adverb

1. in what way or manner; by what means.

"I'm just waiting for someone to mention how all women are bitches" is not a statement that predicts someone will come in and give a powerpoint presentation on why indeed all women are bitches.

Do you understand now?

Then I guess OP misused the word mention

I don't, it doesn't really make any sense. Do you often see people responding to threads like this by explaining how they are turning the sub into T_D 2.0? See it so often that it would make total sense to predict that it would happen again? No, of course not. You see people mentioning that posts like this are turning the sub into T_D 2.0

Welp, then I guess he accidentally left out this: "and I do mean how in the sense of the way in which, because this post is the mechanism by which the sub become Donald 2.0."

Right. And now we've arrived back where we started. He was, himself, mentioning the concept that he was predicting that someone would mention. The complete concept.

Oh come on. You didn't chuckle at all at that? I was trying to be ludicrously semantic.

For the record I think the "Donald 2.0" narrative is crap

His reading comprehension is off the charts. Funny how he felt downvoting you probably made him feel good about his ignorance.

Actually, I think all 3 of us are on the same page, we just didn't realize it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6ys5jq/hillary_clintons_what_happened/dmq1ja8/?utm_content=permalink&utm_medium=front&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=conspiracy

Oops, sorry Poe's law got me. Now that I know your intent, it is funny.

To be clear, I'm not supporting the "Donald 2.0" narrative here. Because I don't think that's what's happening, and it isn't what has me worried about the sub. What I do see is two sides starting to yell past each other, and I desperately don't want to be on either side, and hope that there will be enough of us that see how foolish and destructive sides are.

I want to have productive discourse with people and ideas that I agree with, disagree with, and everything in between and beyond those concepts.

What I think happened is that literally all 3 of us are on the same page, and we were all 3 trying to be funny. He made a joke that was tinged with a sarcastic truth, your reply was humorous and tinged with truth that you've elaborated on here.

I tried to diffuse the situation with some absurd semantics, but I wasmy obvious enough and the joke didn't play.

I agree with everything you say. I think the tensions and frustrations that have started to weigh on the users of this sub makes it easy to become defensive.

I apologize for dragging that out longer than I should have.

No apologies needed, if I were a Pokemon my type would be Semantics but that's also super effective against me. :P I think that you're completely right about what's going on here, I'm sorry for being such a humourless, literal robot sometimes.

He was mentioning how someone would mention. He did not mention what you claim he did. Boom.

He mentioned the concept that he predicted someone would mention.

This post makes this sub T_D 2.0

Get in line!

T_D has definitely made this sub worse in a lot of ways, but this post is not an example of that. Nice work OP.

The lack of shilling is disturbing... Must be a pretty bullet proof post.

That's a great argument.

"Here come the downvotes! The shills must be here!"

"There aren't many downvotes- the shills know they can't defend it!"

Where's the counter post regarding the actual president, and his party that subverted their own rules and changed them in 2008 to stop Ron Paul from getting too many delegates. Then they changed them back this election to try and stop Trump but simply were too incompetent to do so.

All the stuff about the manhattan project, about assange, snowden. Trump said kill snowden no post?

I despised what hillary and the DNC did. But what the GOP does is on the same level or worse in every regard.

The fact this sub suddenly loves the government in power is telling enough.

The fact that you think this sub loves the government proves my point even further. Its like you guys making these claims don't even frequent this sub, and when or if you see a post you don't agree with you feel the need to deflect with oh Clinton did this though, or but Trump did this. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

The only post to get tagged as "no evidence" was what? oh yes, the dossier on the president

Survey says: More deflection.

Just lol, its like you close minded folk are incapable of a coherent response without mentioning the other. Point keeps getting proven. It's amazing really.

... it's not deflection if i'm agreeing that what she did was bad, and what the DNC did was bad. But they lost.

And the guy in power who said he was going to lock her up isn't doing anything about it. Yet these people blame..... who exactly? Not Trump, not Sessions.... who?

I pissed Trump hasn't hired his private investigator too. But my point is this sub needs to stop labeling things as they see fit because it goes against their theories or thoughts. This sub is far from T_D 2.0 regardless of what the mods do. The content here is what counts and it's political theater 90% of the time.

Thanks for the friendly reminder of why I didn't vote for Clinton.

Saved

Wow, obviously there was an impressive amount of work and research put in here. Good work OP, respect.

OP seems to have created an account to upload this. I've got no skin in the game as far as content, but this being their first post makes this pretty suspect.

Makes sense to me. Considering there are active shills roaming about, who tend to target those who make good posts like this, I don't see why they wouldn't make a throw-away. Everything OP said is true, it's not "fostering division" or any other such drivel, HRC is shit, the DNC is corrupt shit, and they did this to themselves. Whether the account is new or old doesn't change the facts of what OP posted.

Sounds like you do have "skin in the game".

No, not really. People support public figures that they tend to agree with, nothing wrong with that, it comes from their own upbringing, lifetime of experience, and personal preference. Why are you skeptical of me saying that I don't care?

Because you cared enough to post that you "don't care".

I really don't man ... you might be reading into this too much. If I'm some disinformation agent, what am I getting out of this? Honestly, I'm not bullshitting you buddy.

Smells like it.

whatever you say "buddy" :-)

No.

Try harder. You are the one who is suspect.

Suspect in what sense?

It's not like it's some story that he's posting. He's included sources for literally everything he posted.

He may have a personal agenda for posting it, but that doesn't mean the information isn't real.

Yes, because people really want their account flagged, and then stalked by shills. Using a throwaway here was a smart move.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

OP seems to have created an account to upload this.

I'd bet my last dollar the Mods are aware of their normal user account and approved this.

You're doing god's work.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

What a lazy ass cop out.

Pick 2 or 3 links from the list and debunk them. Comment about it and say that it throws the credibility of the rest of the list into question. Job done.

Or just keep reaching for excuses to not do anything

That's the whole point of a Gish Gallop; I refute four of them and they say the other 137 are unchallenged, and call it a "win". Not playing that game, sorry.

No, if you could prove that some of them are false, you throw the whole list's credibility into question.

You're just a lazy pile.

Gr8 b8 m8.

Gr8 cop out m8

Ironically I bet you play like 6 hours of video games a day

I occasionally play a couple of online flash games. Maybe an hour a week total. What does "betting ironically" mean? Do you bet with free rides when you've already paid?

PS dude I saw you ninja edit in "I r8 8/8" Hahaha, seriously??

Sorry, I forgot the second half of the meme, and remembered it after I clicked save. Is that so wrong?

No, I often omit punctuation for the sake of brevity. Most people with half a brain are able to still discern my meaning.

Its ironic that you are too lazy to make a handful of rebuttals while sitting on your ads with an Xbox controller in your hand. "Flash games" cool story.

Is that so wrong?

Yeah, it's juvenile and embarrassing

And you were doing so well. No need to get personal when arguing.

I'm sorry, I don't play video games so I can't relate to your defensiveness right now.

I'd actually be willing to bet some money he plays hours of video games a day.

he plays hours of video games a day

That may or may not be true. My point is that it is irrelevant.

If he refuses to engage in an argument on the basis that, "there's so many questions I could never answer them all", that kinda implies he doesn't have the time to spend on it, right?

Here's one link:

Previously on board of directors of Wal-Mart, took $353,400 from Alice Walton

What did you make of it when you first read the headline. What was going through your head? No, go on, spit it out. Put it out there, if you're being intellectually honest. OK, done?

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Now, let's dig into the actual link. A read if it makes it clear that if anything this is in favor of Clinton's connections to Walmart, but asks her to look into how Walmart has helped with the lower income wages and to take good ideas from them.

Whatever the reason for Clinton’s reversal—or for Walton’s—it would certainly be good for the country if presidential candidate Clinton were to learn some things from Walmart. The company and the Walton family have ideas on topics like wages, health care, education, banking, the Second Amendment, and even the environment.

On health care, the $4 generic drugs available at Walmart’s pharmacy are a fine example of how free-market, private-sector capitalist competition, rather than top-down government-imposed price controls, can make medicine affordable for patients.

On education, the Walton Family Foundation says it has supported a quarter of the 6,700 charter schools in the U.S. and it is investing in what it describes as "the high-quality choice movement." That’s a counterweight to the Clinton campaign’s backers in the teacher unions. Those unions too often see charter schools as threats that siphons money away from schools that employ unionized teachers.

On the Second Amendment, anti-gun activists have publicly called on Walmart to stop selling guns and ammunition in its stores. The store has voluntarily stopped selling some models of rifles, but it continues to sell handguns and other weapons, evidence that businesses are best left to their own judgments on these matters to respond to customer sentiments and demand without congressional interference.

On banking, the extensive financial services that Walmart offers its customers—not only check cashing, but also bill-paying, tax preparation, and a "bluebird" financial account that claims to offer the "benefits of banking without all the fees"—demonstrates how non-bank firms are filling a market gap. Rather than forcing banks with regulations to provide these services or subsidizing the banks with bailouts, why not let the free market work?

On wages, Walmart has been raising pay even without a congressionally mandated increase in the federal minimum wage. And on environmental issues, Walmart has been taking a range of steps—using closed freezers instead of open ones, and putting skylights in stores, using sunshine to save on lighting bills—because they make financial sense, not because they were forced to do so by government rules.

So yes, Sen. Sanders is trying to scare his supporters with emails linking Clinton to Walmart. To the non-socialists among us, such a connection is not so much scary as it is at least somewhat reassuring.

Was that what you thought when the point was raised? Be honest here. I would venture a good guess not! Multiply that by 40x or how many ever points raised. That's precisely the point of Gish Gallop.

The Socratic approach is hindering you, just "spit it out". I have no idea what you're trying to say. What is your issue with this article?

The article is wrongly summarized as something that one should be wary about Clinton for, but a deeper reading indicates that the article actually supports her for this and looks at it in a positive way. From the rest of the tone of the discussion in this subreddit, it's not clear that that was what OP intended when linking to this. His one-line summary is devoid of context letting people extrapolate wildly on what its consequences might be.

Multiply that by 40x.

And the Socratic approach is hindering because you're not participating in good faith. You'd have responded with what you thought when reading this headline (assuming you hadn't read the article).

My bad, I didn't realize that article was from OPs list. I am retarded.

But doesn't that just prove my point?

You just threw OPs credibility in question by analyzing that link.

For every article you do that for, you build more of a case that the list isn't credible

Since you apologized, I'll say you're participating in good faith! Cool beans!

Exactly, but you see, it takes OP just minutes to post this. And I bet my bottom dollar this is going to be repeated ad nauseum over the next few months with Clinton's new book coming out. Hell, the post is titled that way. You'll find mindless idiots on TD and here repeating it. Gleefully ignoring almost all context just to spread some more talking points all over the place. Thus amplifying OP's work.

Whereas defending it takes painstaking effort. It took me nearly ten minutes to work this out and convince you. And you're just ONE person. Rinse and repeat and you see why this works. In fact, this has been an effective tool to spread counter-propaganda, or at least weaken existing facts. Flood information with bullshit. Some crafted, some random, and of course, some truth. Do you know how the news networks ran during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not quite unlike how OP is operating. Watch and learn kiddo!

Whereas defending it takes painstaking effort.

Ok, go back and read my comments in this thread. If you honestly think that this will be used as a copypasta then debunking it only takes effort one time, and then you have a debunking copypasta.

It takes you how many minutes to analyse a link and do a little write up? Way fewer than 10, because you had to wait for me to respond and then make a reply to my reply, etc. So, if you wanted to, you could create a counter list to all 40 points in about 1 lazy Saturdays worth of work. To me, it's ironic that you consider this to be so important and potentially damaging but not important enough for your time. That's why I made fun of the other guy for playing video games.

I think implicit in what you guys a re saying is that all these links are wrong. Isn't that kind of a reverse gish gallop? If I analyzed one of the link and found that it supported OPs post, then you'd just say, "well, all the others are false"

Also, if you think that all OP needs to do is spam the list to convince people, why wouldn't you be able to spam your counter-list and get the same immediate convincing? You act like you'd have to personally talk to every person. If OP doesn't have to, why would you have to?

To sum it up; I don't understand why people wouldnt want to counter this list. If i cared that much about something and viewed it as potentially damaging as you do, and i had free time to spend playing video games, I'd feel driven to debunk the list.

The Gish Gallop (also known as proof by verbosity[1]) is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments

Sorry, Gish Gallop doesn't apply here. The inital paragraph of the post is the only argument, which is hardly verbose.

The rest is just facts with links to sources.

Not sorry, but it does apply here. Those "facts" are intended to support the argument, and are mostly incredibly weak and unsupported.

Ok. I'm willing to be convinced. Which facts are incredibly weak and unsupported?

(I will not automatically assume that the ones you don't mention are strong and supported)

Um, what's up with this user? One mega post with all kinds of links and zero history on Reddit? This is partisan propaganda.

Nice deflection. Care to address the massive wall of facts?

Fair question. I was a Bernie supporter, so I have no problem with this post. The only question I'm raising is that this user showed up out of the blue with a highly politically charged post. I would be more than happy to discuss any aspect of that, or the post itself, OP raises some good points.

Why don't you defend the subject matter instead of attacking user credibility...

Its a lot of subject matter to cover, you're right, I took the easy way out and went to kill the messenger. I actually support this poster, so maybe I'm in the wrong here. The question I'm bringing up though is these crazy politically partisan posts showing up on r/conspiracy that should probably be posted elsewhere, and the fact that on a conspiracy sub, if this is your ONE post that isn't really a conspiracy, I'll call you out on it.

Then ask OP, Don't suggest it's propaganda to others as a means to undermine the post's validity. If I were going to compile a list myself it would very much resemble this. Would you feel better if I posted the same thing?

Btw, I voted Bern in the primary too. Watching the DNC give progressives the middle finger and HRC continuing to blame him with her new book is sickening. Fuck the DNC AND the RNC.

I saw somewhere that 1st posts and lurker posts can get the most upvotes, they seem to wait for a good moment to say just the right thing. Like I said before, I agree with the content so I don't even know why I'm arguing with you guys, I'm just really skeptical, to a fault sometimes. I'm still on your side.

Hi, Hillary! Go home!

"It's a vast right wing conspiracy!!!!!!"

Oh, there's a vast conspiracy indeed.

Who are the people that still defend this woman? Evil, haggard, shell of a woman propped up by Wallstreet and private interests. She should be in jail.

People that are paid mostly.

Who are the people that still defend this woman?

Ever been to TopMindsofReddit?

/r/neoliberal

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy...

That right there is a solid post. Great job.

In fact, I'm gonna use this.

Correct the Record!

Ah bless somebody still thinks that politics is real and not a pantomime to keep the thicko's engaged.

well done

slow clap

Yup she's a cunt.

Is it the fact that I got caught cheating, I abandoned the base, advocated for the status quo that has ruined millions of lives, promoted corruption, have zero charisma and how 90% of my strategy was identity politics?

No, it's Bernie who's to blame!

Don't forget how she alienated the working class, a democratic stronghold in the Midwest especially for decades.

Do it again.

Here is the CEO of Alphabet contacting Cheryl Mills to offer voter tracking information gathered from your phones (note: this whole email is a WTF moment and the excerpt here is just a portion to support the argument)

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262

For each voter, a score is computed ranking probability of the right vote. Analytics can model demographics, social factors and many other attributes of the needed voters. Modeling will tell us what who we need to turn out and why, and studies of effectiveness will let us know what approaches work well. Machine intelligence across the data should identify the most important factors for turnout, and preference.

It should be possible to link the voter records in Van with upcoming databases from companies like Comcast and others for media measurement purposes.

the reason this is actually worse than you think is that this is how you can take out opposition precincts with precision. Google knows your home address and how you are going to vote. Combined with NGP Van's VoteBuilder they also know your voting precinct, who is going to win your precinct and which voters will deliver that victory.

NGP Van's VoteBuilder had the ability to "update" voter addresses. Which means VoteBuilder could change your precinct with the voter database, thereby disallowing anyone in a targeted and specific group of people from participating in the primary.

This means that you can change an entire neighborhoods voter affiliation without disrupting the entire election. So that people can still vote in the General without letting opposition participate in the Primary. Take out a dozen blocks of Brooklyn and you can win. This is it. This is how the primary was rigged against Sanders.

Mayor Bill de Blasio described “the purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters,” while the comptroller, Scott Stringer, said his office would audit the Board of Elections. (NYT - lol, they've edited this article about 7 times. It used to be specifically about the voting irregularities)

"What does Votebuilder have that other lists do not?"

Address change updates through the National Change of Address Registry

Also here is a Prezi created by NGP Van also stating access to the Change of Address Registry see the transcript for easier reading

Did I mention that the CEO of NGP Van, was a veteran of the 1992 Clinton-Gore War Room, providing research, analysis, and whip counts to the Clinton Administration as a member of the White House Office of Legislative Affairs?

Democratic Congressional Candidate from Nevada explains: https://youtu.be/JhM7qtmGVUs?t=4m50s

This video also goes into what happened in the Nevada Caucus but for more info about that you should contact Dan Rolle.

Make special note of the dates for each of these voter data breaches below. I expect Sanders' early adopters will recognize the significance. Just in case you don't remember: www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/index.html

Democratic Party sites, paying good money to a company that the DNC recommends, and their security is apparently an after thought. (crooksandliars.com/)

But what about NGP-VAN? How does the company that the DNC has put so much trust in handle this? Out of those three sites, everyone is running insecure versions of Drupal. That is really troubling. These are Democratic Party sites, paying good money to a company that the DNC recommends, and their security is apparently an after thought. (12/18/15)

191 million voters’ personal info exposed by misconfigured database (databreaches.net)

More than one week after Vickery first discovered the leak and we began trying to locate the responsible party, the database remains online and exposed – despite countless hours on our part trying to track this leak down.

If you are a registered voter, we cannot offer you reassurance that your details have not been obtained and won’t be misused. We don’t know for how long this database has been left unsecured and how many people may have accessed and downloaded it. (12/28/15)

So, again, should the DNC be putting their trust of their most valuable data in the hands of a company that apparently ignores security? Perhaps they should ask themselves this and take a serious look at their relationship with NGP-VAN.

NPR from February, 2016 shows micro targeting by Cambridge Analytica from the Ted Cruz campaign. This link shows that micro targeting was an essential part of the 2016 campaign. Allegedly CA had over 4k data points on every single American Voter. That kind of data doesn't come from door knocking. Rather the data is used to discern which door to knock and which is a waste of time.

This following link shows what Dan Rolle was talking about - the exposed data wasn't simply voter registration. It was a much more specifically targeted breach.

18 million targeted voter records exposed by database error 1/4/16

True, voter data is public record for the most part, but each state has laws that govern how it is obtained, how it can be used, and how it can be shared. When you add additional data points, such as those discovered within the second database, you're no longer talking about pure public record.

42-year-old Kelly Thornton, who worked as an Election Day Technician in Yavapai County voting center 5 on Tuesday, told US Uncut that roughly two-thirds of voters who came to her precinct had been mistakenly identified as independent by the election software. All of those voters were subsequently forced to cast a provisional ballot. (USUncut)

Again make note of the date of revision at the top of the page on the follow link (June 2016):

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-list-accuracy.aspx

States can use data from federal agencies, including the United States Post Office, the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security to verify voter information at the registration stage and to ensure accuracy of the voter list. 

For example,

The United States Post Office (USPS) and National Change of Address (NCOA) files:

Kansas calls for the chief state election official or county officer to check the registration records of voters against the National Change of Address files once each calendar year (K.S.A. §25-2354).

Kansas is only an example, this is done all over.

So we see that NGP Van can change your voting precinct; It's possible voter affiliations were altered in targeted attacks by using micro-targeting and exposed databases. Google has told the Clinton campaign who people will vote for using micro targeting. Specific neighborhoods had targeted affiliation changes that disallowed voters to participate in the primary but wouldnt change their ability to vote in the general. This meant that individual precincts could be flipped by disallowing a handful of people within that precinct from participating. Poll workers in multiple states are on record stating that vast numbers of people showed up to a primary that they shouldnt have, as if 2/3 of people in Phoenix dont know what party they registered for. Sounds a lot Arizona and Brooklyn. Creating long lines and general disarray would make voting significantly more difficult for low-income and young voters. The DNC didnt need to take away every single Sanders vote. Just create chaos in Sanders precincts to discourage his turnout. By changing affiliations and polling locations, it creates a customer service type of nightmare at the front of the lines and discourages participation from those that cannot wait in line for 4 hours to cast a ballot in a primary.

This is actual rigging of an election. This does not require thousands of people to be involved. It could be accomplished with as few as one person once obtaining all the data and with 6 weeks before the primaries began, there was plenty of time to identify "the right vote" and to ensure opposition wasn't there.

Here is a list of the shenanigans, state by state: www.heavy.com/news/2016/11/election-fraud-list-which-states-had-have-voter-fraud-allegations-early-voting-rigged-hoax-truth-trump-clinton-bernie-flipped-suppression-dnc/

Appreciate all the info.

Keep fighting the good fight brother.

Seriously in one election she managed to coin the phrase "im not rich enough to be a democrat" how could you fuck up that bad.

The DNC has been selling out there base for a long time. Remember when they took single payer off the table because it was to controversial and would divide their base? These were talking the talking points from a strategy outlined in 2 leaked memos from AHIP. AHIP is "America’s Health Insurance Plans is a national political advocacy and trade association with about 1,300 member companies that sell health insurance coverage". This was almost a decade ago, yet Democrats haven't changed, here is an article with audio of Dick Gephardt, the former Democratic House minority leader, laughing off the idea at a health insurance conference earlier this month. It's why the ACA was written by insurance lobbies, and Democrats will defend it while it makes us all go broke. Dennis Kucinich actual was the one vote that shot down the ACA the first time it they tried to pass it, and he wrote, the bill is a bailout under a blue cross. Although he did eventually vote for it, after Obama took him on a personal trip on Air Force One and "some how convinced him" to vote for it. Re-read Dennis's article he wrote, then think what they must have said to have him change his mind, always found that interesting.

Anyways, the DNC & Democrats sell out their base all the time, and anyone who feels the need to defend them should really think about how they are being manipulated and undermined by this group.

Dislcaimer: By point this out, I am not saying the RNC and Republicans are any better. They are horrible and a scourge, but the DNC & Democrats have people believing they are there for the people, when they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Albert Einstein in his essay Why Socialism?:

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

This is true of both political parties in America. When Ron Paul and the average poster here talks about Wall Street/central banks, they're talking about finance capitalists. When they talk about media conglomeration, they're talking about capitalist owners controlling what we see and learn. That money and propaganda influence politics should surprise literally no one, least of all here. Surprise, those with the most money have the most influence on our political system.

When Ron Paul and the average poster here talks about Wall Street/central banks, they're talking about finance capitalists. When they talk about media conglomeration, they're talking about capitalist owners controlling what we see and learn.

that's all antisemitic code

/s

Or terrorist talk. /s

Or terrorist talk. /s

all terrorists ARE antisemites!

/s

Even the Terror against terror group?

Stfu with that bullshit. The federal reserve act should be abolished plain and simple along with the irs. If Semites lose their banking jobs so be it. The People of America need to return to sound banking. Enough if the race baiting. Usury was banished for centuries for a reason.

Stfu with that bullshit. The federal reserve act should be abolished plain and simple along with the irs. If Semites lose their banking jobs so be it. The People of America need to return to sound banking. Enough if the race baiting. Usury was banished for centuries for a reason.

i was mocking the idea that any criticisms of banking and media institutions are antisemitic in nature, not endorsing it

And his name?

This is amazing. Thank you OP, for putting in the time to put this together. You should post this in other subs as well.

I added it to our sidebar.

Very nice. Such a well sourced list.

Bernie sold you guys out to the DNC and you still support him.

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I'm glad Trump kept his promise and locked her up.

Is this the part where I get gang-upvoted for yelling "Whataboutism".

Oh wait, I only get gang-upvoted for that thought terminating cliche when it is used to attack someone defending Trump or Russia.

Trump on Clinton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svwW312b1NI&feature=youtu.be&t=1m54s

Wow, you caught him! This changes everything!!!

/s

This is an amazing bunch of data. Thank you for the work OP.

Fuck HRC, DNC, DWS, AWAN Bro's, Podesta, Trump, Bannon, Bill Clinton, Jeb Bush, George W. Bush, George Bush Sr, most of the media, Corporate Donors, super PACs, shills, paid protestors, corrupt police force, and the rest of the assholes that didn't get the honor of being mentioned in my list of corruption.

Anyone care to add?

DAE le both sides are le same:!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?1?!?!?!?1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!??!!?!?!??!?!?!?!??11111?!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?1?!??!?

Neocon warhawks

Where is the link to her associate talking about making a sacrifice to moloch, the ancient god of child sacrifice, in order to influence their foreign policy plans. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/14333

Where is the connection to laura silsby getting caught trying to traffick a bunch of haitian children into the USA illegally? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/clinton-silsby-trafficking-scandal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it

I think she is part of a secret cult that practices ancient dark magic involving child sacrifice. You get party favors from satan when you purposely destroy the most precious and innocent thing on earth.

Hashtag rekt

Great post.

For anyone that followed the primary, as a Bernie supporter. This list sums up what we saw first hand, much of it long before the Podesta and DNC leaks were released. We're called radical tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. And when the evidence actually came out over the collusion, these same people rather than owning up to their mistakes, dismiss it. Same kind of mentality from the person they supported. She and her supporters, are incapable of taking personal accountability for anything, all they can do is shame and belittle the folks that are opposed to this. It cost them the election, yet they're still using the same tactics to this day. It almost makes me think this is a deliberate move. How else could you explain the irrationality here? They talk about unity, and actively engage in division. There will be no unity until you own up to the mistakes committed. There will be no moving forward, and all the folks who got screwed over, will never forget this.

It cost them the election, yet they're still using the same tactics to this day. It almost makes me think this is a deliberate move.

Washington Generals.

I hate Hillary so much. She stole Bernie away from us and have us Trump instead.

Indeed

thank you wikileaks. RIP dems.

archived in case

http://archive.is/zZTgf

Do it again.

CEO of Alphabet contacts Cheryl Mills to offer voter tracking information gathered from your phones

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262

For each voter, a score is computed ranking probability of the right vote. Analytics can model demographics, social factors and many other attributes of the needed voters. Modeling will tell us what who we need to turn out and why, and studies of effectiveness will let us know what approaches work well. Machine intelligence across the data should identify the most important factors for turnout, and preference.

It should be possible to link the voter records in Van with upcoming databases from companies like Comcast and others for media measurement purposes.

the reason this is actually worse than you think is that this is how you can take out opposition precincts with precision. Google knows your home address and how you are going to vote. Combined with NGP Van's VoteBuilder they also know your voting precinct, who is going to win your precinct and which voters will deliver that victory.

NGP Van had the ability to "update" voter addresses so "inactive" voters would be pulled from the rolls. It was also the vendor used by NY state (possibly many more) to index voter data for the registrar. Which means VoteBuilder could change your affiliation from, I don't know, say from Democrat to NPP or Republican or just (6/2/2017) change your precinct and had access to change your address.

This means that you can change an entire neighborhoods voter affiliation without disrupting the entire election. So that people can still vote in the General without letting opposition participate in the Primary. Take out a dozen blocks of Brooklyn and you can win. This is it. This is how the primary was rigged against Sanders.

Mayor Bill de Blasio described “the purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters,” while the comptroller, Scott Stringer, said his office would audit the Board of Elections. (NYT)

"What does Votebuilder have that other lists do not?"

Address change updates through the National Change of Address Registry

Also here is a Prezi created by NGP Van also stating access to the Change of Address Registry see the transcript for easier reading

Did I mention that the CEO of NGP Van, was a veteran of the 1992 Clinton-Gore War Room, providing research, analysis, and whip counts to the Clinton Administration as a member of the White House Office of Legislative Affairs?

Democratic Congressional Candidate from Nevada explains: https://youtu.be/JhM7qtmGVUs?t=4m50s

This video also goes into what happened in the Nevada Caucus but for more info about that you should contact Dan Rolle.

42-year-old Kelly Thornton, who worked as an Election Day Technician in Yavapai County voting center 5 on Tuesday, told US Uncut that roughly two-thirds of voters who came to her precinct had been mistakenly identified as independent by the election software. All of those voters were subsequently forced to cast a provisional ballot. (USUncut)

Edit 6/2/17: USUncut has since been shut down, Ive seen archived links protecting the original source but cant seem to locate ATM, here is another link of more dubious merit featuring the same quote: https://politicallywasted.com/2016/03/31/election-fraud-in-arizona/

Oh! found the archived USuncut story: https://archive.is/7MFZC

Democratic Party sites, paying good money to a company that the DNC recommends, and their security is apparently an after thought. (crooksandliars.com/)

But what about NGP-VAN? How does the company that the DNC has put so much trust in handle this? Out of those three sites, everyone is running insecure versions of Drupal. That is really troubling. These are Democratic Party sites, paying good money to a company that the DNC recommends, and their security is apparently an after thought. (12/18/15)

191 million voters’ personal info exposed by misconfigured database (databreaches.net)

More than one week after Vickery first discovered the leak and we began trying to locate the responsible party, the database remains online and exposed – despite countless hours on our part trying to track this leak down.

If you are a registered voter, we cannot offer you reassurance that your details have not been obtained and won’t be misused. We don’t know for how long this database has been left unsecured and how many people may have accessed and downloaded it. (12/28/15)

So both the National registry and DNC voter data was available to editing simultaneously and it wasn't the fault of the Republican program "NationBuilder".

So, again, should the DNC be putting their trust of their most valuable data in the hands of a company that apparently ignores security? Perhaps they should ask themselves this and take a serious look at their relationship with NGP-VAN.

NPR from February shows micro targeting from the Ted Cruz campaign.

18 million targeted voter records exposed by database error 1/4/16

True, voter data is public record for the most part, but each state has laws that govern how it is obtained, how it can be used, and how it can be shared. When you add additional data points, such as those discovered within the second database, you're no longer talking about pure public record.

So we see that NGP Van can change your voting precinct and possibly voter affiliation. Google has told the Clinton campaign who people will vote for using micro targeting. Specific neighborhoods had targeted affiliation changes that disallowed voters to participate in the primary but wouldnt change their ability to vote in the general. This meant that individual precincts could be flipped by disallowing a handful of people within that precinct from participating. Poll workers in multiple states are on record stating that vast numbers of people showed up to a primary that they shouldnt have, as if 2/3 of people in Phoenix dont know what party they registered for.

Edit 6/2/17: I will walk back the claim that VB could edit party affiliation itself, though the means to do so were available to any party interested in doing so. However VB could change your polling location through the National Change of Address Registry. Not unlike Arizona and Brooklyn. Creating long lines and general disarray would make voting significantly more difficult for low-income and young voters. The DNC didnt need to take away every single Sanders vote. Just create chaos in Sanders precincts to discourage his turnout. By changing affiliations and polling locations, it creates a customer service type of nightmare at the front of the lines and discourages participation from those that cannot wait in line for 4 hours to cast a ballot in a primary.

You and OP should be discussing how much each of you like beautiful, well formatted data.. over dinner. I, for one, would be happy to chip in for this charitable dinner aslong as you keep giving us these wonderful writeup's that can be saved/archived and used in many scenarios for the greater good.

Seriously, help me archive these links. I can't be the only one with them.

I'm not sure how to archive. /u/SpudDK might have some suggestions.

Aaaand it's gone

If you ever wonder if you are on the right side of history consider that truth never damages a cause that is just.

We get it, you hate Hillary. Get on with your life.

When she stops writing books full of self-congratulatory lies,

Don't like her books? Don't read them.

There, I just saved you a ton of effort.

I didn't.

She is a criminal that is using her money and connections to keep herself out of prison. It's not at all strange that there is an interest in seeing her brought to justice.

OK, so don't forget about GwB, Dick Cheney, who else? Obama too? I don't see this amount of outrage against others. Plus, some of the links in this 'dossier' are petty, like she was mean to nurses. She ran, she lost, it's over. It's become an obsession. She is irrelevant.

Awesome. 👏🏼🏅

If you could manage to get this truth bomb to /all it would get really lively in here.

But... but... popular vote!!

It's always funny when it reaches that point. Suddenly people who never post in r/conspiracy start arguing with the people who do, from a position of smug superiority, regurgitating the Corporate Media Propaganda they've bought into hook, line, and sinker. Also they just start ridiculing people.

Tell us how you really feel. I think u should expand on how Hillary is the worst person in the history of the Nation. We should strip her naked and make her walk through Washington yelling "SHAME SHAME SHAME".

You're right this isn't helpful at all... why would someone list a bunch of sources about a politician on this sub. It's almost like op is making the case for a "conspiracy".

What's the conspiracy? That she's a bad candidate?

Mind fucking blown.

You don't think it's odd that a brand-new account, devoted entirely to trashing Hillary, posted this thread which was immediately rocketed to the top? And that we tend to get these kinds of threads almost every day, to remind us how we're supposed to hate Hillary?

You're being manipulated and you're defending the ones who are manipulating you.

Let's not strip her naked. Although some older pics of her seems enticing.

You mean to tell me.... You... Mean to tell me... That HRC is a deplorable human being?

Mind=blown

They tried to make nasty woman a kind of pro-Trashary meme and then they lost.... lmao

Yet Trump is bad because he fired Paul Manafort (who worked with the Podestas in Ukraine) after he tricked his son into attending a meeting with a Russian spy.

If you think that's the only thing that makes Trump bad you have not been paying attention.

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He's larping.

Well

Badass post.

Good job OP

Ah yes a giant list of youtube, dailycaller, twitter, and o so unbiased and credible Wikileaks links totally proves things.

Lady didn't run a great campaign, but this post is stupid as fuck.

You could do the same list with Trump using really shady sources and make him look 100x worse.

Make this list and drop the Trash links, lets see what you legitimately have.

You didn't see WaPo, USAtoday, motherjones or Slate? You just picked what you thought were the worst quality links? No wonder your comment was downvoted, it's stupid as fuck.

This is a great summary. Bernie is still a retard though.

Excellent. Didn't get through it all yet but is Clinton's uranium deal with Russia in this? This was supposed to be her weakness leading up to the election and is why they were so aggressive in tying trump to Russia.

Nice collection. Added to our /r/WayOfTheBern sidebar.

You need to come to terms with the reality that Bernie was in on it.

Amazing post OP! I love seeing the CTR shills get their panties in a bunch.

Could you PM me the text of this so I can repost it every day OP?

This is a standard Gish Gallop.

And trump is the one with a special counsel??? Fuck the democrat party in the ass

great post

Muh Russia!!

Well on the other hand here's a list of what she's been doing that's productive....

... .... .... ........ ...... ..... ........ ....... ...... nothing.

Holy shit, 115 links! That's passion and dedication. Deserves an upvote and I'm saving it for later and added to my stalk list.

Pepe OK meme here

belittled 45% of your voter base

Sounds like you didnt have enough to win the nominee if bernie only represented less than half

Throws pretend gold at op cause she too cheap.

Here's a wall of text with more links than a sane person would possibly want to take the time to look through so it looks like my point can't possibly be argued against even though my sources are either questionable, don't support my point, or don't demonstrate anything illegal or suspect

FTFY

Holy crap wall of text, but no one wants their identity politics. Too many real issues kicking our ass that they can do nothing with. They're not even trying anymore with the bullshit.

With the internet the mainsream fake news no longer matter. We don't want Europe to happen here. And we don't want Bernie.

That last sentence will get you crucified around here. Careful.

It shouldn't. Bernie is controlled opposition and a fraud that sold his supporters and campaign out to play ball for Hillary, whether it was planned or under duress is is irrelevant. He has been more or less lockstep with DNC talking points ever since too.

I agree. I was just taking note of all of the bernie supporters in this thread. Theyre usually not this vocal after losing to the loser of the worst presidential runoff ever.

Yea, he wasnt even a democrat before running.

A year later and the Democratic party still has no message other than Trump Sucks.

As a liberal, this is infuriating. What the fuck do you actually plan to do for your constituents? How about you talk about that?

Exactly. 2018 is coming up quick and they seem to be wholly relying on a backlash by disaffected Trump voters to pick anyone with a D by their name. Not gonna happen. Maybe just seems like it to me cause I'm in Illinois and they don't even have to try here, but what the fuck are they doing?

Especially since local voters won't tie the republican in their district to Trump. He's his own entity and not representative of the Republican party, yet the Dems think hate for him will spark some magical blue wave in 2018.

2020 will be tough for Trump. 2018 will be surprise and gnashing of teeth for the Dems when they lose more seats and are left saying "but truuuuuuuuump".

A year later and the Democratic party still has no message other than Trump Sucks.

If a democrat gives an hour long speech about working conditions and wage gaps it doesn't get covered by any in the MSM, there is a message there. Trump is just the fireworks TV runs with.

working conditions and wage gaps it doesn't get covered by any in the MSM

Has literally been covered in print and on tv multiple times over the last 3 years at least.

Was literally a debate topic Clinton used as a crutch.

get the fuck out

Not sure what you're going on about. There are tons of good policy debates and speeches that no one covers because it's not as scintillating on the television. If you think the only democratic message is "trump sucks" then you just aren't interested enough to listen.

They can't because that's worse than Trump sucks for them. You want them to lie and tell people they will get free this and free that when we have no fucking way to pay for it while we are $20T in debt? Or how about tell everyone they want to give amnesty and a pathway to citizenship for anyone that illegally crosses our borders to mooch off of taxpayers? Best just stick to Trump sucks because the Democratic agenda sucks worse.

I wasn't talking about highlighting polarizing issues like abortion, gay rights, and immigration and other items where the nation is very evenly divided.

Policies like medicaid for all, preservation of net neutrality, de-scheduling marijuana, and the end of gerrymandering are parts of the democratic platform that have support from both right-leaning and left-leaning voters.

This is the stuff they could be talking about.

medicaid for all would be a fucking disaster.

What makes you think that?

Everyone having health insurance apparently is not popular.

Yeah I just don't get it.

People in single payer systems love them almost universally.

People in the US healthcare system dislike it almost universally.

US residents pay substantially more per capital for healthcare than every other developed country and they still get pushed into poverty or die without treatment because of costs.

Isn't this already a disaster?

We could have the best health care in the world but instead it resembles a third-world county.

Math

In a single payer system (medicaid for all, or whatever the US version would be called), the providers of health care services and prescriptions sell these goods at a price set by the government, or they do not participate in the market.

This drastically reduces the cost of healthcare in literally every other developed country on the planet to a fraction of what the US pays per capita.

The system sets rates that allow Pharma and healthcare companies to operate at a profit, so the companies continue to participate in the market.

How does forcing healthcare to be sold at a lower cost increase the cost of healthcare? Help me understand the math, because it works beautifully everywhere else on earth.

Yeah force people that have spent hundreds of thousands on their education to take a pay cut. That will certainly have a beneficial impact on quality of service when there are fewer and fewer doctors and nurses willing to work for government mandated wages. We also have a nation of 320M+ that aren't in the best shape health wise whether it be obesity or any other numbers of issues. Will also severely impact future medical advancements as people will be less willing to invest billions looking for cures for diseases if they can't get a return on the investment. And no, "good feelz" is not a sufficient return on investment.

Doctors and nurses wouldn't be taking the paycut when it comes to medical services - that's why no shortages of these professions exist in all the other developed countries.

The savings come from cutting out the middle man insurance companies that inflate and obfuscate pricing to the end user.

But this isn't just some theory:

Users of single payer systems love that model.

Users of the US system hate that model.

You don't even have to take my word for it: check out this askreddit that asked non-american citizens how they liked single payer systems.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6qdfd9/seriousnonamerican_redditors_what_is_it_really/

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Oh yeah, let me get my answers from the Reddit socialists. Thanks, but no thanks. There are plenty of Canadians and other foreigners that come to America for their healthcare? I wonder why that is? Maybe they just have free stuff and money.

If not Reddit, what poll would you trust to show developed countries with single payer systems have happy users?

They all say the same thing.

No polls. Polls are useless unless you know exactly who was polled and what questions were asked in what context.

And you are so misguided if you think socialized medicine works beautifully everywhere on Earth. I suggest you do some real research and quit listening to your echo chamber.

I'm not listening to an echo chamber: I'm listening to actual users of those systems. See my other reply.

Your listening to confirmation biases. Socialism sounds good on paper until you run out of other people's money to pay for things. Then all hell breaks loose and millions die. Sounds lovely.

Confirmation bias is when you engineer your search to find the result you want.

The poll asks non Americans what they think of their system and the response was overwhelmingly positive.

What engineering took place here?

Great post. A shame that some YouTube videos have already been removed. Hopefully a mirror will be possible!

Best post I've seen in a while. Well done

Too much info here. Arrange topically and drop a new post every 2-3 days if you really want this to live on.

You are ignoring a large elephant in the room.

Bernie was in on it.

No, he realized if he didn't abide by the rules-unjust as they were- he would be Nader-ized, and with nothing to show for it at the end.

But tell us how much he was paid, since you know more than us, and show us this amount on his taxes next time he runs and discloses them! Or maybe it was cash under the table? What next?

I need thisnpost

we get it clinton sucks. shes not going to run in 2020

i hope

but until she does im done talking about her

She is a criminal that is using her money and connections to keep herself out of prison. It's not at all strange that there is an interest in seeing her brought to justice.

hmm why isn't trump going after her? Sessions?

i dunno it makes sense to me. what were they chanting at all those rallies? FREE HILLARY FREE HILLARY

makes sense since trump always keeps his word

and if she did something wrong a supermajority with a bulldog like jeff sessions could certainly pin at least one of her hundreds of murders on her

Excellent post OP! Thank you for taking the time to gather together all of the info you provided.

Impressed by the scholarship here OP and commenters.ing Keep going. Truth, justice and reason will win. Slavery was ended. Women got the vote. Medicine triumphed over voodoo.

Medicine triumphed over voodoo.

Did it really, though?

Not 100% but mostly yes, and hey, I'm trying to be positive here

IT'S HER TURN, FALL IN LINE OR YOU'RE A RUSSIAN NAZI

OLD MAN LOST FAIR AND SQUARE, FUCK BERNIE BROS

IT'S IN THE PAST LET'S FOCUS ON STOPPING DRUMPF

WE HAVE TO UNITE FOR 2018 MIDTERMS

BUTTERY MALES REEEE

Fuck 'em all. I want justice. I will never forgive or forget Clinton voters. Might as well add continuing-Trump supporters as well.

You can tell that she is a shitty leader because she doesn't take accountability.

all the people over in a certain political sub are freaking out about articles covering her excuse book.

They can't wrap their heads around that hillary purposely leaked these these parts of the book about blaming russia and sanders to sell as many books as possible.

They are going to have to add more sources to their precious White List

Shot got old, arrogant, and sloppy. She's always been like this but was more nimble and clever, at the top of her game. Hillary was part of a first rate power couple. Bill was the face, and she was the one in the shadows with the knives.

They were good enough to keep a thousand plates spinning at once, adding hundreds of millions of loot to their coffers. But she was never good enough to do both, and has failed twice now. We saw every trick she had 15 years ago, there's no move she can make that can't be countered. Obama and Trump both had better game than she has.

All this Clinton activity in the past few months make me think she's going to force her party to nominate her again in 2020.

Reply for bookmark - good work

You missed the #1 reason.

She's a cunt.

Ah, I see our daily reminder to hate Hillary Clinton has arrived, courtesy of a brand-new redditor devoted entirely to keeping us pissed off about her.

Americans may be fooled by cunning politicians with with broken promises but Hilary Clinton insulted them, told Goldman Sachs she was going to fucking do everything opposite of her compaign. She was just mean Cunt. Called her voters "Deplorables"

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/06/the-clintons-had-slaves

Hillary is a piece of shit. Sometimes i think tptb want to demonize the left and the right. The right by associating them with nazi/ alt-right and the left with antifa/ commie it's almost like the only acceptable line is centrist/liberal.

great post, thank you very much for your work.

All in all I'd say this qualifies as a "quality post"

Awesome. Couple things to add would be calling for a no-fly zone in Syria (aka war with Russia); advocating for a foreign policy that is more "muscular" than Obama's, despite the fact that he dropped 26,000 bombs on 7 countries in one year; her Uranium deal with Russia; and finally, the fact that it is proven that the DNC and Clinton campaign colluded with the media and actually told them to elevate Trump's popularity as a "pied piper candidate".

This is fantastic...I'd give you gold but you already have it...well-deserved, and thanks for this...

Holy fuck, it's like I kept scrolling with no end in sight. Not to mention the fact that America has actually elected a bright orange former reality tv manchild who can barely construct 140 character coherent messages, rather than see another clinton in the white house. That's pretty fucking bad lol

Nice deflection. Care to address the massive wall of facts?

Hi, Hillary! Go home!

Is this the part where I get gang-upvoted for yelling "Whataboutism".

Oh wait, I only get gang-upvoted for that thought terminating cliche when it is used to attack someone defending Trump or Russia.

You're right this isn't helpful at all... why would someone list a bunch of sources about a politician on this sub. It's almost like op is making the case for a "conspiracy".

Thanks for the heads up.

Fuckery is afoot.

But... but... popular vote!!

It's always funny when it reaches that point. Suddenly people who never post in r/conspiracy start arguing with the people who do, from a position of smug superiority, regurgitating the Corporate Media Propaganda they've bought into hook, line, and sinker. Also they just start ridiculing people.

Let's not strip her naked. Although some older pics of her seems enticing.

The only post to get tagged as "no evidence" was what? oh yes, the dossier on the president

Not sure what you're going on about. There are tons of good policy debates and speeches that no one covers because it's not as scintillating on the television. If you think the only democratic message is "trump sucks" then you just aren't interested enough to listen.

Yeah force people that have spent hundreds of thousands on their education to take a pay cut. That will certainly have a beneficial impact on quality of service when there are fewer and fewer doctors and nurses willing to work for government mandated wages. We also have a nation of 320M+ that aren't in the best shape health wise whether it be obesity or any other numbers of issues. Will also severely impact future medical advancements as people will be less willing to invest billions looking for cures for diseases if they can't get a return on the investment. And no, "good feelz" is not a sufficient return on investment.

And you are so misguided if you think socialized medicine works beautifully everywhere on Earth. I suggest you do some real research and quit listening to your echo chamber.

You know your comment makes no sense regarding anything I wrote right?