I've never heard about this before. Thanks for the link.

Also: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/fbi-shooting-orlando-boston-marathon/314979/

The two incidents, separate, would be a little fishy. Together, that's a bit too coincidental

This video detailing the criminal records of each alleged victim is pretty good, but surprisingly, it's been removed from youtube :/

I'd bet money this never happened. They literally want us to believe in evil.

I'm referring to the utterly unbelievable. If someone took the time to tell you the truth. You would never believe it.

They want you to believe in evil. They desperately need you to believe in evil. None of it is real. Everything is carefully scripted to make you as distrustful of government as possible.

Who is they

I don't understand why people always ask this question. 'They' is and always has been representative of The Powers That be. You want names? Rothschild, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Westinghouse, DuPont, Mellon, etc. The people with all the money. It works in their best interest because evil is a strawman. We spend our time blaming the woes of the world on evil, when it is merely men with money.

There are no dragons. There are no aliens. Everything we are taught we learn form someone else. Every article, every book we read, every movie we see, every news segment, every TV show, was essentially sponsored by 'Them'. If we believe they're evil, it's because they want us to. There's hardly a man among us who truly thinks independently. We are replicants. Slaves to paper and money- incapable of imaging freedom outside of travel. A freaking car has become the symbol of freedom...

Please be less general, do you think that these two who could provide more information about the Boston bombers didn't die, do you think they never existed?

I'd bet that what didn't happen was the Boston bombings and these two knew it so "they" want to make sure we don't realize it.

You might be right on some level but you're being so general that you're only spreading discouragement .

I wish I could talk about it in a more direct way, but it's literally impossible. The conspiracy at hand is far too grand to convey to anyone in a passing conversation. That's why it works so well. It is literally the world around you- how can I convince people that that which they see and touch isn't real? They're looking right at it. They can smell and taste it. It's like me trying to convince you that colors aren't real.

If you want to start talking about archons and the matrix then be plain about it.
It's best not mentioning it, if you have no confidence others would take the time to listen since it only creates confusion for those who wouldn't believe it.

Chaos and confusion are our friends. Go far enough through the mud and you end up in the ocean, cleaned.

Archons and movies can't explain the position we find the world in. The Bible does a better job of it, but no one wants to hear it, read it, or even think about it, because they don't know what it is.

The truth, my friend, is not something anyone wants to read. It's the last thing we want to read, literally. If you constantly only read what you want to hear (conspiracy theories) you'll never get any closer to the truth. They create conspiracy theories. It's how they feed the intelligent among us, but it is merely food, only good for satisfying short term curiosities.

I think it depends on what you look for when you read a conspiracy theory, if it's all akin to a giant boardgame then watching the movement of a single piece allows you to infer the intentions of the player who moved it.
Keep watching the pieces and you can get an idea of where the game is heading. As for movies, they are only easily used themes to describe something that I doubt I understand anything more than the movie maker; functional as a method of communication perhaps.
I'm sure they do create strife to occupy us but we alone decide the content of our discussions. A conspiracy board can still remain so without falling prey to distractions, I personally feel frustrated when I see someone asking for all the "religious shit" to be removed however it is undeniable that the board is flooded on occasion by those not seeking any meaningful discussion. I think that is an impasse that cannot be solved by reddits platform.

"I think it depends on what you look for when you read a conspiracy theory, if it's all akin to a giant boardgame then watching the movement of a single piece allows you to infer the intentions of the player who moved it."

• But why are you trusting the information to begin with? If you place ANY faith in articles, news, books and information, you are open to being manipulated. You are relying on a stranger to form the way you view reality, and nothing is more dangerous than that.

"Keep watching the pieces and you can get an idea of where the game is heading. "

• The "pieces" are there to distract you from the real game. There's nothing to indicate they are real moves.

"I'm sure they do create strife to occupy us but we alone decide the content of our discussions"

• No, we do not. We draw on everything we've been taught through schooling, our parents, our friends, television, books and aesthetic reality. We don't own any truly original, independent thoughts, but it is possible for people who are capable from drawing truth from the universe.

"A conspiracy board can still remain so without falling prey to distractions"

• Not if the conspiracies were specifically written to distract you. You simply can't tell the difference between a real and a fake conspiracy, and so it's no use attempting to tell them apart. Constantly investigating them is quite literally the definition of insanity. I did it for 8 years- no more. I realize now that they were cherries, put there to keep me from working my way down the tree, and to it's roots.

You're still assuming that i believe what i read, when i read myself i ask why would someone else present that information to me, that is the piece that i see moving.

Please give me an example.

An example of a state of mind i try to keep myself in? I'm not sure how to give an example of that.

The point I'm making is that you don't know which aspect of the illusion I'm pushing against. You seem to push for the idea that anything therefore everything could be fake so there is no point looking at any of it. My point would be that the fakery is obvious at times and it's worth pointing that out to someone so as to break the fourth wall for them.

You can't state in one instance that conspiracies exist to distract us and then say that I can't tell the difference between a real one and a fake one. Either there are real ones (in other words, it's true that there are entities that plot and scheme to our detriment) or their aren't and it's all an illusion which would still be a conspiracy since i find the illusion displeasing- I'm certainly not consciously trying to propagate any illusion so that must mean it is in part due to something else other than that thing I know of as "me"

You neatly bring up the manipulation present in articles, news, books and information but then tell me it's not worth my time to dig into conspiracy? That's part of the conspiracy I want to talk about. I feel like you possess an equally capable talent of talking circles into existence out of nothing.

"You seem to push for the idea that anything therefore everything could be fake so there is no point looking at any of it."

• This is exactly what I believe. Universal truth is already in you, you can't escape it, because you are part of it. You just have to know how to listen to it.

"You can't state in one instance that conspiracies exist to distract us and then say that I can't tell the difference between a real one and a fake one."

• Sure I can, because the truth itself is a contradiction. 9/11 is the only conspiracy I or anyone else is truly capable of assimilating. It's the only conspiracy any of us can be sure of. I've been to the memorial, I've seen the massive holes in the ground.

"Either there are real ones (in other words, it's true that there are entities that plot and scheme to our detriment) or their aren't and it's all an illusion which would still be a conspiracy since i find the illusion displeasing"

• They are both real and illusory. 9/11 was real in the sense that those buildings came down. Everything else, including the planes, is speculation, and frankly, isn't even important. So, a certain amount of the physicality of that day was real, but none of the motives behind it were, and that's the illusory part. That's the part that important for 'Them'- the illusion of evil. If monsters are real, we can't exactly do anything about it, can we? They are both real and illusory.

"You neatly bring up the manipulation present in articles, news, books and information but then tell me it's not worth my time to dig into conspiracy?"

• Because YOU didn't write them. You don't have the foggiest idea if the author is trustworthy, or that he hasn't been mislead. If you were to trace a conspiracy theory back to it's origins- you will find the government on the other end, every single time. They want you to loose faith in government. They want you out in the streets protesting for open arguments. They want you angry.

"That's part of the conspiracy I want to talk about. I feel like you possess an equally capable talent of talking circles into existence out of nothing."

• Nothing is everything, and everything is nothing. Different sides of the same coin. Ask me anything you want to know about the world.

I'm glad that you responded the way you did. Somehow, via a conversation of sorts, we are now aware of how each other sees things. That is roughly where I'm at. The only thing I care about anymore is why are we being convinced of the duality of good and evil and can good exist without the polarity of evil.

Can't get to that stage without being all the actors in between so I'd still encourage the asking of questions. It's almost like zen right? Ask questions until you realize that the question only exists because you ask it. That gives the questions their worth, in a way.

Eventually it all boils down to beauty, and beauty is either symmetry, asymmetry, or colors. It's not real. Good isn't real either. It's about as real as evil. I'm not saying love isn't real, it is, but we barely love ourselves, let alone strangers.

"The only thing I care about anymore is why are we being convinced of the duality of good and evil and can good exist without the polarity of evil."

• Then you are in the right place mentally, but i just feel like you're looking in the wrong places. The justifications for the way the world is can be found in continental philosophy, and the justifications for it can be found in all religions. Here's the kind of logic we're really up against:

"It is only the oppressed who, by freeing themselves, can free their oppressors. The latter, as an oppressive class, can free neither others nor themselves. It is therefore essential that the oppressed wage the struggle to resolve the contradiction in which they are caught; and the contradiction will be resolved by the appearance of the new man: neither oppressor nor oppressed, but man in the process of liberation.'

We can thank the Bible for it: it puts forward engineered suffering so that we can work our way out of it through total assimilation of the understanding of life.

"Ask questions until you realize that the question only exists because you ask it."

• Simply ask the universe to reveal its secrets to you, deny your ego, deny all information, and truth will flood your brain with so much force, and frequency as to become an entirely new person in just days. Science has already proven that consciousness doesn't die when we die. It's also proven that past, present, and future are all happening together. That makes it possible that you are simply interacting with different versions of yourself from different time periods overlapping with your own. It makes it possible that you could be the only person on the earth in your space time dimension. It makes it possible that all things truly are one.

Please see this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6xhm98/do_we_create_the_world_around_us_with_our/

I realized i had already read your reddit submission but I read it again to familiarize myself with it, some points i agreed with but not all. The page about critical pedagogy took me a while to go through, I'm not sure i agree with it.
It seems to present the idea that the cycle of oppressor vs oppressed is the issue and thus the solution is to create a constant cycle in everyone's life where they become the oppressed whilst oppressing.
Sort of like trying to embody the cycle so as to stop going around it, the result is that they have engineered the education system to indoctrinate children whilst leaving them with no meaningful skills.

Any of the worthy ideas the page presented to me should occur within a meaningful relationship between a parent and a child whilst the education system should remain for conveying useful skills and expertise. This seems to be a widespread application of hitting someone with a stick to repeatedly so that they can be oppressed until they reach the point that they grab the stick and hit back and realize they can be oppressor as well?

I may be seeing this the wrong way in which case feel free to provide an alternative perspective but this just seems like a way of deepening the illusion, I'd have been happy in a small Japanese village in the mountains meditating, working a small field following the ways of the samurai and just being.

Why would it ever be right to fuel all this left vs right, good vs bad, female vs male, up vs down, blue vs red, tribe vs tribe; it seems like you're saying they are trying to distill this duality within a single human experience as a way of becoming something more.

Oppressed = thesis

Oppressor = antithesis

The solution is supposed to be a synthesis of the two. In other words, it's supposed to make us into one class. I just don't but it for a minute.

"This seems to be a widespread application of hitting someone with a stick repeatedly so that they can be oppressed until they reach the point that they grab the stick and hit back and realize they can be oppressor as well?"

• Yes, and they are supposed to throw the stick away, eventually. Perhaps it's not even hitting back, but simply dropping out. All I want to know is how the fuck I'm supposed to feed, clothe, and house myself once I do decide to no longer compete?

"I may be seeing this the wrong way in which case feel free to provide an alternative perspective but this just seems like a way of deepening the illusion, I'd have been happy in a small Japanese village in the mountains meditating, working a small field following the ways of the samurai and just being."

• I'd of been happy if drugs were legal. It's all I'm interested in doing. I've attempted other avenues, but they either didn't work out or they felt pointless and without meaning.

"Why would it ever be right to fuel all this left vs right, good vs bad, female vs male, up vs down, blue vs red, tribe vs tribe; it seems like you're saying they are trying to distill this duality within a single human experience as a way of becoming something more."

• This is the only part of the argument I can glean meaning from. I've spent half a decade in prison already. I've done nothing but break the law my entire life. Attaching the ruleset is the only thing that has ever made me feel alive and independent, and that's exactly why they put those rules there. So people who have truly independent thought would end up kicked out of school, on drugs, and in prison. I've learned from more from all of the bad things I

I've been hearing the message recently that it doesn't have to be this way, that these things can be learned without going through that struggle and all the bad things. I want to believe it.

It seems we really are on similar tracks of mind; the limitation of my drug use is only it's availability which is very limited. I've seen no course of action that leads to a way out except what is seen as the most destructive form of action.
I see no way in which I can provide for myself without being connected to this system so either another method of providing for myself must be found or my needs must change. Not eating usually leads to starvation as far as I have seen so unless death is a doorway then I must find a way to keep eating and so on with all the other requirements of life.

Truth is that I'm placing a lot of hope on possible upcoming events to provide an external solution to what appears to be an internal problem and I'm terribly afraid that I'm being misled.

If it turns out to not be true and the solution must be found internally then i guess it's up to me to decide a course of action.

I've been hearing the message recently that it doesn't have to be this way, that these things can be learned without going through that struggle and all the bad things. I want to believe it.

• I've been hearing the same thing, but no one has provided a shred of proof.

"It seems we really are on similar tracks of mind; the limitation of my drug use is only it's availability which is very limited. I've seen no course of action that leads to a way out except what is seen as the most destructive form of action."

• Yes, exactly.

"I see no way in which I can provide for myself without being connected to this system so either another method of providing for myself must be found or my needs must change. Not eating usually leads to starvation as far as I have seen so unless death is a doorway then I must find a way to keep eating and so on with all the other requirements of life."

• This is exactly how I feel. It's very frustrating to be in the position in which there seems to be no ideal. I even thought about becoming a monk the other day just to live more simply. I just don't think I'd be on the same page as them, to say the least. I really just want to join a commune or something, farm vegetables, and live peacefully.

"Truth is that I'm placing a lot of hope on possible upcoming events to provide an external solution to what appears to be an internal problem and I'm terribly afraid that I'm being misled."

• So am I, I harbor secret hopes that the elite really aren't working against us, but I just don't understand why things have had to be this way. Surely we could have been taught what real righteousness is, rather than having to learn the hard way.

If I put it to you that the superficial conspiracies that are passed around form part of the illusion that hides a spiritual war that is currently waging, how would you respond?

I'd have to agree.

Just so that others don't have to descend into this pointless conversation, this is a reference to the (fact, really, at this point) that the Boston bombing never happened. The "evil" that "they" want us to believe in is the existence of random terror.

How can you say that it never happened? There's thousands of pictures, videos, testimonies, court cases, people walking around with prosthetics, records of people mass donating blood, video of him being captured, details of his sentencing, evidence taken from his dorm, evidence taken from the scene and even a few blocks away. You probably saw a few pictures or a single video and said "Yup! This is it. It's fake." and completely shut out the massive amounts of evidence that is clearly fucking happened. You're paranoid and I hope you get help. Maybe go stop at big pharma and get some brain control pills or whatever else you believe in.

For every article I read that actually rings alarm bells, there's a suspicious comment like this one in the post, and I say, "Wow, so it's true. They actually were killed."

Of course if these guys were offed, it was because they were hired guns who had to be quieted. They were silent heroes or anything.

Show me the article that convinced you they were killed.

None did, your comment did. It's an idiotic non sequitur that aroused my suspicions.

That's the funniest thing ever. I'm a 39 year old dude who has served nearly 6 years in prison as a result of ten years on heroin. You take I for a shill?

9/11 was an inside job, what's your take on it? Answer the question.

I railed against conspiracy theories like a fucking plebeian for 8 years. Then I made my way to Critical Theory, Critical Pedagogy, and Radical Critical Pedagogy. These are negative social sciences, and every university on the globe is pushing them. They advocate engineered suffering. Why do you suppose that is?

Shill is just the number one theory, you haven't provided enough information to make a final determination.

Although now I know you did time, that provides additional evidence, since I know a lot of former prisoners are recruited to take part in constructing the American Prison state. You could easily be providing a half truth for authenticity, where that half truth only further confirms your true nature.

Your invented credentials don't speak to your competence, they just make you sound even more suspicious.

9/11 was probably allowed due to incompetence, but I'm not really interested in it because there are more pressing examples of corruption within the hidden state.

Then why trust not only me, why trust anyone?

I trust no one but myself and a few close confidants, and I've found that in order to have an accurate view of the world, this is necessary. Even most well-meaning people, even most geniuses and public intellectuals and good men are usually self-deluded. They have a host of inherited delusions as cornerstones of their entire philosophy, and as such their opinions are founded on quicksand.

You stream of thoughts are really disjointed. To a reasonable mind, none seems to follow rationally from the previous one. I will not call you a shill, but I will say that you write just like most of those I've isolated. Purposely obtuse so as to wreck discourse. The devil's work. Food for thought.

I highly doubt this is true. The people who arrested Tsarnaev were local and state police. The FBI's Hostage Rescue Team did not arrest him. HRT may have been deployed to aid in the manhunt but they didn't do much.

The two agents in question died in a genuine training accident. They were practicing fast-roping from a helicopter when the helicopter in question moved enough to cause the two FBI agents rappelling down to lose their grip and fall to their deaths. Not really a conspiracy, just a tragedy.

The MSM said that. Its exactly why you should be critical of the idea.

Reminder: Declassified JFK assassination records October 26, 2017. There was a fire/bombing at the JFK Library right after the Boston marathon bombing where those records are kept.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3cffxf/boston_bomber_demands_new_trial/csve7xy/

Isn't globalresearch.ca actual fake news?

... so you're suggesting this didnt happen?

Every source is so clearly made up

Find me a source

https://pilotonline.com/news/fbi-agents-died-in-fall-from-helicopter-off-va-coast/article_d074851a-7fa9-55cf-97af-ebf533c7e90b.html

Nah, just another top mind at work.

This is why its not good to direct hate towards cops and grunts for doing the jobs they're forced to do, they're just as expendable to the elites as we are, they just happen to have batons and firearms and tear gas and all that advanced weaponry.

Well, on the upside, a lot of the people involved in these conspiracies end up dying tragically so there is some justice.

Like officer Dorner.

How many agents were involved in the arrest of Tasrnaev?

According to a Boston cop, Tsarnaev was an FBI informant who decided to bomb his way of their pinch.

Can anyone find a source that says they were involved in the arrest of the boston bombers (and not just in the same organisation that was) ?

If not, this whole thread is worthless because the title is saying something which is most likely false.

Please show me, because i can't find any, all point to infowars.

Sorry, i'm serious, i want to believe, show me an article where it says they have been directly involved in the arrest. I can find nothing. None of the bigger news outlets make that connection.

The MSM said that. Its exactly why you should be critical of the idea.

You're still assuming that i believe what i read, when i read myself i ask why would someone else present that information to me, that is the piece that i see moving.

https://pilotonline.com/news/fbi-agents-died-in-fall-from-helicopter-off-va-coast/article_d074851a-7fa9-55cf-97af-ebf533c7e90b.html

How can you say that it never happened? There's thousands of pictures, videos, testimonies, court cases, people walking around with prosthetics, records of people mass donating blood, video of him being captured, details of his sentencing, evidence taken from his dorm, evidence taken from the scene and even a few blocks away. You probably saw a few pictures or a single video and said "Yup! This is it. It's fake." and completely shut out the massive amounts of evidence that is clearly fucking happened. You're paranoid and I hope you get help. Maybe go stop at big pharma and get some brain control pills or whatever else you believe in.