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pizzagate is fake news

fake news is fake news

So the automatic next thought is child sex ring?

I guess it all depends on how sinister of a person you think James Alefantis is...what parts of his character that we know of would indicate he would be capable of this kind of evil?

Maybe he just makes killer pizza...plus like you said, his bf was the head of Media Matters. Regardless, I don't see the jump to the accusations that pizzagate levies.

Oh, I think I know where you're going with this now. Can I explain some things to you about the Republicans?

So you have Alex Jones and Fox and some extreme conservatives alleging the things you talked about, and then there's some less extreme that act like they're the Christian party with morals. They're not better people that anyone that's not a Republican, they just try to make people think that.

The reality is, there's nothing to investigate, and they're not even trying to score political points. Trust me, if they wanted to try to make Obama and Hillary look bad, they would.

Quite a leap to jump to child sex ring based on absolutely nothing.

So some stuff from 4Chan or whatever, and Instagram photos that you consider weird.

Did you really just use 4chans use of CP as a line of logic? Next you're going to tell me everyone named Chad that owns a Pontiac is a pedophile.

I'm sure I'm not gonna convince you of anything, but I was curious so I looked up Alefantis' meetings with Obama- I found 5 not 4 on the site white-house-logs.insidegov.com, which seems legit.

Based on the info there it doesn't seem like Alefantis 'met' with Obama in the sense of sitting down with him and discussing something. Of the 5 visits, Alefantis' groups numbered 758, 498, 19, 4, 4. The larger numbers to me indicate big dinners or meet-and-greets, the parties of 4 are labeled as tours of the White House, and they were not personally hosted by Obama. I looked up a couple of his companions for those, 1 was a photographer and the other (I think, a couple different people with the same name) was an assistant to a Congressperson or something.

But more tellingly, if you look at all visits hosted by Obama, there were tons of them, sometimes more than one in a day and often with dozens or hundreds of people. So to the degree that Alefantis 'met' with Obama, so did many thousands of other people who were not policy experts or Senators. Keep in mind Bush did not readily give up his visitor logs, and Trump has generally avoided it (I believe- might be wrong). If you looked at visitor logs for Trump's White House or his place in Florida, I suspect you would see a lot of similar big events.

As for why a pizzeria owner would be at the White House for these events, I believe he owns two pretty well-known restaurants and an art gallery. He seems to be a popular figure in DC, labeled in the top 50 most powerful in DC by GQ a few years ago, for whatever that's worth.

Again I'm not hoping to change your mind, but if you're curious about a different viewpoint from a doubter (but not a 'shill' in any sense of the word), I don't know much about the whole conspiracy but it seems much more likely that a popular figure in the art and food scene would go to large events which were common, than him organizing a prostitution ring with Obama or whatever the theory is. One just seems much more believable than the other, by a huge margin.

The answer to your question is because the dems and the repubs are the same fucking team and they're just putting on a shit show to keep everyone distracted while they pillage the economy and human rights.

Of course they're in on it, they have to be in order to be effectively controlled, or they're out of the club. That's why they're scared shitless of that unraveling. Which is why your seeing all these snilly comments in this thread with all the apologists.

You bet pizzagate is real.

So your first link shows that you seem to be upset there's an anti-Trump sub. Just don't go there; problem solved.

I have no idea what your second link is because it says "over 18."

Again, your second link says "You must be 18 to view this community." No, thanks, that could be anything.

I don't know why Alefantis was at the White House, but they weren't one-on-one meetings, and anyway, you don't get to decide people are guilty of something and expect them to prove they're not. You're making the accusation and the burden of proof is on you.

So the automatic next thought is child sex ring?

Oh, I think I know where you're going with this now. Can I explain some things to you about the Republicans?

So you have Alex Jones and Fox and some extreme conservatives alleging the things you talked about, and then there's some less extreme that act like they're the Christian party with morals. They're not better people that anyone that's not a Republican, they just try to make people think that.

The reality is, there's nothing to investigate, and they're not even trying to score political points. Trust me, if they wanted to try to make Obama and Hillary look bad, they would.

Again, your second link says "You must be 18 to view this community." No, thanks, that could be anything.

I don't know why Alefantis was at the White House, but they weren't one-on-one meetings, and anyway, you don't get to decide people are guilty of something and expect them to prove they're not. You're making the accusation and the burden of proof is on you.