I think it's funny how so many people here fear the singularity so much that they have now resorted to hating technology and now we have someone blaming farming for all of humanity's ails. Lol

There's something to your idea, it's just not entirely accurate. Think about gardening. is there anything wrong with tending a garden? You're creating life and diversity, expanding the food supply of your own people as well as the plants, animals, and insects involved in the process.

This is agriculture, right? Permaculture is a great example. It requires planning and care, all "God-given" human talents, so to speak. Where it gets problematic is the idea of totalitarian agriculture. Cain killing Abel, man killing his competition preemptively so as to expand his own territory. We still do this.

A great little book on this kind of viewpoint is Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.

I'd call that horticulture.

This isn't new. Is the Paleo diet still a thing?

LOL you only question technology because you hate the singularity! Praise Kurzweil.

Triggered.

Did you see this?

https://i.imgur.com/Z951Pad.jpg

I am pretty sure hunter gatherers worked a lot more hours and were hungrier more hours of the week than those farming for sustainance. I imagine early groups of people would do both, hunt some and plant some.

Think of the cardio benefits of having to run down a deer for dinner!

The men would only have to kill every few days to sufficiently feed a small group, and the nuts, seeds, fruits, and vegetables gathered by the women were enough to hold the group over in the mean time.

Good point, I forgot that most they would kill would provide days of meat.

Yeah but that's only for small groups. We don't have small groups anymore

Family units

Also, you can't attain spiritual enlightenment if you're preoccupied with your next shelter or your next meal. Few people know that the apex (and final stage) of Maslow's pyramid of needs is self-actualization.

nor can you attain it consuming flesh

Because plants aren't alive?

more alive than u

I know many spiritual teachers recommend becoming vegetarian. Can you explain why that's the case in a nutshell?

Because mass animal farms.

What about traditional farming? As in, the animal forms an important piece of the virtuous farming cycle; his excretions serve to feed the soil which in turn allows the vegetables to grow.

Well yeah no problems with that, but once it starts being done for anything other than the well being of a family (once it's done for a profit), then we see the evidence of where that leads. It's the desire for profit that turns us into masochistic idiots.

animal products = low vibrational consciousness + cruel to ur body

plants (especially fruits) = high vibrational consciousness + easy on ur body

Sin = Sine. Born into this shitty frequency of bondage.

I don't believe humans were hunters and gatherers originally. We were agricultural from the beginning. We evolved from apes. And apes are vegetarians. They don't eat meat. So it makes sense that we are the same. And our teeth and digestive systems weren't really made for meat.

Mine were made for meat, meat, and more meat.

Cooked meat. Raw meat not as bad on our gut but required eating of the time.

Perhaps you evolved from an ape. I did not.

Did you share a common ancestor with other great apes or are you intelligently designed?

The Nag Hammadi Library - The Reality of the Rulers

(The Hypostasis of the Archons)

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Hypostas-Barnstone.html

Maybe Adam and Eve figured out how the whole thing works, and stopped paying their taxes to the "rulers and authorities".

that the land would be harder to toil was adam's punishment .. also animals were no longer friendly .. painful childbirth is thanks to eve

This isn't true? Agricultural success always lead to population growth. Paleolithic tribes were small and in constant stress.

We're big and in constant stress.

the "hunter/gatherer" idea is a scam, we were never meant to eat meat. the proof is in our anatomy.

Ishmael by Daniel Quinn explores this topic. Farming is how our Annunaki overlords domesticated humans. Maybe.

you do realize hunter/gathering is actually a lot more labour intensive than farming right?

the problem with hunter gathering is the constant migration as you deplete an area.

The a novel about the Gobeleki site in that really goes into this. I have it on my shelves somewhere but it'd 4.30 am where I am now and I'm supposed to be getting out if bet in less than four hours. If you send me a reminder in about 14 hours i'll look for it.

I think that the "original sin" (which is something that we are apparently all born with) is simply desire itself. The "original sin" was Eve being tempted by desire for knowledge (the forbidden fruit). Once you let desire into your heart, it creates a void that can never be satisfied and intensifies with every attempt. Before this happened, they had everything they needed. Once they let it in, they suddenly became self aware and God (love) left them.

The whole point of this ongoing story is so simple it's mind-blowing. Jesus' crucifixion was symbolic, as it was meant to be. There had to (and has to) be a way to force people to see the error of their ways (living in desire). To murder someone who stands for all that's righteous and good for nothing more than being just that. He absolves original sin by showing us what it turns us into.

Turn away from desire and embrace love. When people help each other, there's always enough to go around.

Planting something in the ground, and waiting a year to pluck it seems a whole lot easier than catching 3 rabbits a day every day, though

the problem with hunter gathering is the constant migration as you deplete an area.