Those boys thought they were taking place in a drill.

https://newlibertytimes.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-boston-unbombing-how-and-why-boston_12.html

Really eye opening, granted I skipped around but I got the jist of it. I knew something was off about that when it happened. This confirms it all, I wonder if the people behind these false flags watch these videos to learn their mistakes for next time. Can't really trust anything shown on TV it seems, glad I stopped watching it a long time ago.

FEMA deputy director Richard Serino was the incident commander

I remember a few hours after the bombing happened, every media outlet started releasing a picture that featured two men standing in a large crowd. Their faces were circled.

Your memory is incorrect. The first pictures of the Tsarnaevs that were released were these and that happened three days after the bombing.

Then the Tsarnaevs shot a policeman at MIT, carjacked someone, got in a shootout with police, and the surviving one hid in a boat in a driveway for many hours while a manhunt was underway.

At his trial, the prosecutors showed a video of him walking up to the location of one of the bombings with a backpack, then walking away without the backpack seconds before the bomb exploded.

Thank you for coming to a conspiracy sub to parrot the mainstream narrative for this event. Guess we should just listen to what the government says and move on!

Maybe you'd prefer /r/gullible.

Maybe you'd prefer r/TopMindsofReddit.

This guy spends a lot of energy into putting the kabash on conspiracy theories.

You seem very concerned with TMOR all of a sudden, Gracey.

Is the guy I'm talking about even TMoR? Maybe you meant to reply to one of my comments where I've let OPs know when they've been X-posted.

Well this seemed to be the logical chain of conversation, seeing as the poster about you mentioned it.

Heh?

You mean the subreddit that constantly brigades this community? I wonder why someone would be concerned about that...

Proof of their brigades?

Two eyes and a brain.

Lol, he's banned.

Nice! Looks like the user he got in a spat with also got unbanned in the process.

There's a post on the front page of this sub (sort by hot) right now that is literally talking about TMOR brigades.

If you're contesting the timeline laid out it might be good to show evidence that contradicts it.

"mainstream narrative" does not mean it's automatically incorrect, and the conspiracy narrative does not mean it's automatically correct.

Maybe if you'd gave as much scrutiny to a conspiracy theory that you give to what you hear in the news, this place wouldn't be the walking definition of confirmation bias.

Says the guy who

A. Has ZERO clue about me or how much scrutiny I put into anything

and

B. Has clearly not put the official story under any scrutiny whatsoever

Seriously, what are you even doing here? Because it's definitely not to have an informed and civil discussion (but in case you are, I'd be more than happy to tell you exactly how much scrutiny I've put into both the official MSM narrative, and the conspiracy theories surrounding it).

where did he go lol

Typical 😂

Ive never heard any reasonable alternate explanations. Do we need to just systematically call every single tragedy that happens a false flag operation? I am on board with always being skeptical, but come on, shitty things do still happen without government involvement. Some people are making claims the whole thing never happened and it was all actors and media manipulation...that seems sadly delusional to me and disrespectful to people who got hurt or killed

Wow, you hit every box in the "canned response in defense of the MSM narrative" checklist...

Ive never heard any reasonable alternate explanations.

Belittling the legitimate claims by stating they're all unreasonable. Check.

Do we need to just systematically call every single tragedy that happens a false flag operation?

Claiming that people call "every single tragedy" a false flag. Check.

I am on board with always being skeptical

Try to give the appearance of being neutral and open-minded. Check.

shitty things do still happen without government involvement

This shitty argument that is obviously true, but in no way applies in this instance. Check.

that seems sadly delusional to me and disrespectful to people who got hurt or killed

"Disrespectful to the families!". Check.

If you're legitimately asking me for a "reasonable alternate explanation" for the BMB, then I'll be more than happy to point you in the right direction for information about the event. But based on your initial reply, I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you aren't. (But if I'm, wrong, I apologize, and would love to have an actual discussion regarding the official story vs the conspiracy theory.)

You are an excellent human being

So is 4 the "canned response" to 2+2? Paste a link to the best source/evidence and I will clear my mind and attempt to take a look objectively

All that work just to avoid saying anything with substance.

Which part of that didn't happen?

You don't remember reddit fingering the wrong guy for whole day?

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Wow... has the same kind of black bag that was actually used (compared to Dzhokhar's bag which was white) and has a similar "white baseball cap" so that any witness testimony would be close enough to match what Dzhokhar was wearing.

But this is 100% the wrong guy... /s

Isn't the "wrong guy" literally in the photo of the marathon OP posted? The kid with the white cap? Wasn't he supposed to be missing for weeks and already dead before the bombing, causing apparently huge amounts of stress to his mother?

You mean the guy that had been missing for a month and was then found dead a few days after the bombing?

Yea... cause that's not suspicious or anything. /s

Wouldn't be surprised it that kid was somehow involved, and authorities were pissed because people were looking for him instead of the patsies that they already had planted to take the fall.

I didn't know about this! Thank you.

Sunil was only a "suspect" because reddit "investigators" thought he looked like the suspect in the FBI's picture. If you compare the many pictures we have now, it's clear that the suspect in the FBI picture is not Sunil. Particularly noteworthy was a mole on Sunil's cheek that is completely absent on the picture (but even without the mole, he doesn't really look like the suspect in the picture, while Tsarnaev matches him perfectly).

Just found this article talking about how it was NBC's Pete Williams who finally reported the "correct" names of the suspects which helped to quell the confusion.

That's also not what the article says. You should read it more carefully. It actually says the opposite (that he didn't report the "correct" names until much later). They were identified by authorities early Friday morning (Thursday night) after one of the brothers was killed. The article just says he learned the names, but didn't report them. While other news outlets jumped at the chance to report names, Williams (according to the article) "withheld revealing them."

The article even pins the time that Williams found out at 6:43am. By 6:48am Business insider had already published this (somewhat lengthy) article identifying the suspects (and I wouldn't be surprised if every news outlet found out at roughly the same time). It's pretty obvious Williams did not break the story with the "correct" names and his reporting of the events don't reveal some kind "connection" you seem to be trying to draw.

Your entire first paragraph is completely irrelevant considering I never called him a "suspect" at all.

And as for reading the article "more carefully", I can only assume that you must not have read any of it at all, as what I wrote is literally what the article is about.

When CNN became the butt of jokes for its erroneous reporting Wednesday, NBC's Pete Williams' clear, careful, accurate reporting in a sea of media confusion had made him the most lauded television news reporter working on the Boston Marathon bombing story.

What's amazing to me, is that you took all this time to write a lengthy response, all the while, side-stepping the main point of my entire post.

Are you just trying to muddy the waters here? Because that's sure what it looks like.

Wait, I'm muddying the waters?

/u/jonp5065 brought up reddit wrongly fingering suspects. You're clearly implying that the guy brought up was a suspect by saying that his circumstances are "suspicious" and that you wouldn't be surprised if he was involved. Or is that not what your implication here is?

I pointed out that the only connection he has to the bombing is online "investigators" thinking he looked like one of the FBI suspects. That's it. That's the only connection. Or do you have anything at all that ties him to the bombing?

So, is your point that he's a suspect or not? If not, what is your point? Why don't you help me out here and clear up the waters and just make your point clear instead of claiming that an irrelevant (to the bombing) event is "suspicious"?

When CNN became the butt of jokes for its erroneous reporting Wednesday, NBC's Pete Williams' clear, careful, accurate reporting in a sea of media confusion had made him the most lauded television news reporter working on the Boston Marathon bombing story.

So he's commended for being accurate and cautious. Is there a point to bringing this up, or are you just trying to muddy the waters?

I'm pretty sure reddit wiped every marathon related sub that was made during that time but there were dozens of subreddits popping up that were doxxing the wrong people. Truly one of the worst examples of trying to crowdsource an investigation.

that is of no matter to the wider story, somebody dangled a fish thats all.

I truly believe the MSM in this country are direct extensions of the deep state government, look back at the history, always banging the war drum and being favorable for laws that go against the common man and woman, the "Patriot" Act for instance.

for some historic comparison, Daniel Defoe 17/18thC novelist AND govt propagandist.

I don't have any doubt that there are elements within the MSM that are 100% deep state and actively push those agendas. They are likely in high places. Jeff Zucker at CNN comes to mind.

“The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” — former CIA Director William Colby

I tell people this stuff all the time and they look at me like I'm a nut. I tell them to watch the senate hearings where they admit to having infiltrated print media and cannot discuss TV media in an open session. They never do. They rather be controlled and manipulated. It's incredibly frustrating.

I told my Dad about the flat earth and he got angry.

I don't blame your dad. There's reasonable conspiracies regarding the government, but let's not throw science in there too.

Science should be thrown in there. Without a doubt. Not necessarily the geometry of the earth. But theres dozens of huge sciemce related conspiracies worthy of open investigation

"That was never said by Colby, at least not publicly. It was made up by Dave McGowan." — Reddit commenter HeveStolt.

"There is quite an incredible spread of relationships. You don’t need to manipulate Time magazine, for example, because there are [Central Intelligence] Agency people at the management level." --William B. Bader, former CIA intelligence officer, briefing members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, The CIA and the Media, by Carl Bernstein

"The Agency's relationship with [The New York] Times was by far its most valuable among newspapers, according to CIA officials. [It was] general Times policy ... to provide assistance to the CIA whenever possible." --The CIA and the Media, by Carl Bernstein

“I ended up publishing articles under my own name written by agents of the CIA and other intelligence services, especially the German secret service.” - German Editor Turned CIA Whistleblower

It amazes me that more people can't see this or understand this. I suppose the propaganda and brainwashing is that sophisticated.

It's actually quite crude - but 24/7, 365 days per year, from birth...very effective and really hard to combat.

The ignoble lie summary: say something enough and it becomes "true".

I feel the same, but it is nice to see this upvoted to the top of the thread on this sub. While so many others seem to be losing their head over 'shills' and claiming the end is nigh for this sub, I actually see it improving. Not long ago, Boston Bombing threads and even Moon Landing hoax threads would be instantly downvoted. Seems to me like improvement is happening.

Well, it's been proven correct.

Your memory is false. Reddit pinned the wrong kid and the photos were released days later, after the security guard/Chinese kid incident. I wish I still had that account, I accidentally doxxed myself and had to delete.

Reality doesn't matter to these people. Take a look at the top comments; they all bought into his narrative. People just WANT to believe anything.

"these people"

Rule 10.

These people. Oh I get it, if someone disagrees with you they're part of a delusional herd. Very logical.

There was a whole uproar on reddit because of the damage caused to that kid by the Reddit investigation squad. It was a big deal and was reported in the media a Reddit's irresponsibly pseudo-journalism. That took a day or two before the photos pinpointing Tsarnaev's came out. Now the FBI/Merc guys standing around the site with the walkie talkies who the FBI guy comes to first after the incident...that's who I'm interesting in hearing more about but have not ever heard anything after Alex Jones got hold of the conspiracy and managed to discredit it by touting it in the way he does.

remember the cropped version of this they used as evidence.

some dude from Florida took JUST ONE photo in Boston then went home.

look carefully at the grinning grey haired dude in the foreground, examine his right hand left wrist and left arm.

Could you elaborate a little? Not sure what I'm looking at here, besides and older guy smiling (which is certainly odd considering what had just happened, but nothing too damning).

And how do you know the dude from Florida only took one photo in Boston?

(which is certainly odd considering what had just happened)

A photo in any point of time is not very representative of thier emotions of the time, he could have been just opening his mouth to say something.

Which is exactly why I said

(which is certainly odd considering what had just happened, but nothing too damning)

because that was what was reported, dude only took one photo in Boston.

examine the picture with some zoom.

this is the larger version of the cropped no backpack picture used in court.

the back pack has been photoshopped out, but the picture is still large.

What are you suggesting ?

same pic, hosted at (((new york times)))

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/thelede/posts/suspect-number-2.JPG

its photoshopped, look at the feet of the 3 people running on left side of picture. its obviously fake

fake but used in court to convict the younger brother.

the boston hoax really opened up a lot of eyes to the way the news is fabricated. but of course TPTB can't hep themselves and continue doing what has always worked in the past, and each time they do, more people are able to observe and dissect these operations and expose them

even the Charlottesville hoax has been exposed. and peoples are willing to accept that something is a hoax more and more easily. people are getting more skeptical

The bags entered as evidence were not the bags that contained the explosives.

The trauma shown in the photos is fake! Crop any picture of leg boy and show to a nurse or doctor without context... They will say "is this from a movie?" because it does not look real.

Only in the context of "what everyone else believes" does it look real.

Can you link that picture?

29:32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiyZ5AOXuSc

Trauma is real, and please stop believing it isn't. people were genuinely hurt in the incident, because there has to be some realism for the operation to work. They can't control everything

no, it was a mass casualty incident, and FEMA deputy director Richard Serino was the incident commander

And there's this video https://youtu.be/TC5o-UNplhQ

It's inconceivable to me that this much attention was given to someone that wasn't Tamerlan during the searches.

And there's this eyewitness account https://youtu.be/VS8CAUFFSMU

Then the next day they report that he was "run over" by his younger brother in a shootout with the police?

Fuck outta here...

snopes actually claims Tamerlan was killed in shootout with police. no mention of being run over by Dzhokhar

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/boston.asp

Interesting. I already think Snopes is shit, so the fact that they DON'T say this is certainly note worthy.

http://www.newsweek.com/boston-police-say-bomber-ran-over-his-brother-and-dragged-him-314141

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/us/police-recall-dodging-as-marathon-bombing-suspect-ran-over-brother.html?mcubz=3

http://nypost.com/2015/03/18/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-ran-over-brother-during-fatal-shootout/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/03/16/turn-makes-martyr/xWp8hj4Wx01mrKUglRF93J/story.html

In the second video if that's Tamerlane then he grew the fuck out of some stubble. Just compare to the picture above.

It's hard to tell if there's stubble. Personally, I don't see it. I do see he has similar sideburns in the video to what the pic has.

Seth Mnookin is the reason i started to question if vaccines cause autism

http://twitter.com/sethmnookin/status/325853110759219200

They're actors. the whole thing was a piece of theater art.

No bombs, no injuries, no blood. Just props and actors and a willing mainstream press.

Duh, that in guy is wearing a hat and sunglasses. Obviously he is the culprit based solely on his appearance.

What's with the downvotes? I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic here. Unless it's just a couple of normies here to downvote everything (Probably).

Definitely sarcasm. I guess I need to start using /s on the obvious stuff.

They were Russian...

What about the lady in the pink vest?

Seriously... anyone that doesn't know what /u/CptFizz is referencing here, go check it out.

I'm still trying to come up with a single scenario where that lady's actions would make any sense at all.

Ummm I can name the scenario. It was a giant hoax and the lady in the pink vest was splashing water on each fake injury site to activate the fake blood powder. She also would reach into her purse and drop fake blood packets to each fake injured person

Lol, exactly. My bad, should have said "another scenario".

Lol You fucking shill! Don't actl Like you don't know!! :)

That's the dumbest thing I've today.

When the television doesn't immediately know what happened and who did it, something unplanned just happened. When they do "know" what happened right away, it is a dead give away that everything is going as planned.

I could tell they were lying about 9/11 immediately by the way they presented the story. I said it would be used as a pretext for war and a creeping police state. I think you're right about how if they hammer home a story with a villain right away it's fishy.

They "knew" it was a "white supremacist" who mowed the people down in Charlottesville as soon as it happened.

did i hear that white nationalists are now considered a terror group?

id like to add the democrat and republican parties to the list of terrorist organizations.

but Mark Walhberg told me they did it, so its gotta be true!

And he would've stopped 9/11 if he was on every plane.

Well it at least we got a golden joke out of Family Guy "That sexy boy could have another bomb"

if you search different videos on youtube about this you'll find a lot of things that don't add up, such as the crisis actors, how a few the "victims" who were broadcasted all over the media were also shown to be at sandy hook & the aurora massacre in colorado. spoopy stuff.

they were hardly brown.

I am in the MK-Ultra made them do it column....same with basically all other false flag incidents.

Its like the coverage for Sandy Hook. I clearly remember that as the situation was "unfolding" the media reported that there was a shooter in the school and a man in army military camo outside the school with a rifle. After about #) minutes it was just the kid in the school and no more mention of the man outside. Sounds like a handler to me.

The brainwashed sleeping sheeple of the world believe what they are shown because they are trained to be that way. You cant blame them, you have to do whatever you can to wake them up.

Has anyone every tried to piece together the "baseball hat" part of these false flags? Why would these two even wear white and black hats? It makes no sense at all unless it's to help the operations managers keep track of them on CCTV etc.

And why the big "B" logo? Bridgestone? Just get a couple black/dark hats with no logos if you're trying to hide your face and get away with this.

theres other very shy 'actors' wearing caps and hoodies and sunglasses that got caught on video cameras during the panic.

Those are all really popular things to wear... This doesn't seem like a strong piece of evidence to me

There always are baseball hat wearing operatives it seems in these false flags.

just seems very very odd to wear that white hat backwards and some random "B" logo hat if you're trying to pull off a bombing and get away with it.

You got that timeline wrong.

um who are the brown men in that picture?

How is this guy running away if his pants got obliterated by the bomb? Shouldn't there be blood and him be unable to run?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/531/240/af8.gif

Why don't you tell us the extent of his injuries, since you seem like an expert

Looks like nothing. Pants blown off by a bomb w nails but not bleeding and still running. How did the other person get his entire leg blown off then? You tell me?

So you know the extent of his injuries?

We did it Reddit!!

Reality doesn't matter to these people. Take a look at the top comments; they all bought into his narrative. People just WANT to believe anything.

It's actually quite crude - but 24/7, 365 days per year, from birth...very effective and really hard to combat.

There was a whole uproar on reddit because of the damage caused to that kid by the Reddit investigation squad. It was a big deal and was reported in the media a Reddit's irresponsibly pseudo-journalism. That took a day or two before the photos pinpointing Tsarnaev's came out. Now the FBI/Merc guys standing around the site with the walkie talkies who the FBI guy comes to first after the incident...that's who I'm interesting in hearing more about but have not ever heard anything after Alex Jones got hold of the conspiracy and managed to discredit it by touting it in the way he does.

You are an excellent human being

So is 4 the "canned response" to 2+2? Paste a link to the best source/evidence and I will clear my mind and attempt to take a look objectively

I feel the same, but it is nice to see this upvoted to the top of the thread on this sub. While so many others seem to be losing their head over 'shills' and claiming the end is nigh for this sub, I actually see it improving. Not long ago, Boston Bombing threads and even Moon Landing hoax threads would be instantly downvoted. Seems to me like improvement is happening.

All that work just to avoid saying anything with substance.