They helped create the luciferian deception of a globe earth. Have a nice day.

Shaquille O'Neil is a Freemason and he said the Earth is flat. Have a nice day. /s

if Shaquille O'Neil said that you should eat your own poo because there are still a lot of nutrient left in it. would you do it?

Maybe. It's a little concerning that none of you understand what "/s" means though.

So you're saying there's a chance? /s

I'm not claiming that the Earth is flat, but your argument for why it has to be round is unsound.

Assuming our world looked something like this, you could still travel East along the "equator" and arrive right back where you started. Assuming you started in South America, you'd cross the Atlantic, then Africa, then the Indian Ocean, South East Asia, the Pacific, and eventually you'd get back to South America. Through your entire journey, you would have followed your compass's Eastern direction. Every few kilometers you would have to make a tiny adjustment to the left, I guess, or to the right had you gone West, but I doubt they would even be noticeable among all the other course corrections you'd have to make due to winds, currents or obstacles.

So even on a planar Earth, you could travel around the world using a compass and never be the wiser.

But how in the hell would you go from the north pole, through the south pole, and back to the north pole on the other side? Also if you traveled along the "equator" in a straight line, you would fall off the map. Doesn't make a bit of sense and I hope you're trolling.

That's a different scenario. I didn't claim it was possible to go from North Pole to Southpole to North Pole in a straight line on a theoretical flat earth. I'm not currently aware of anyone attempting such a journey.

If someone has done that trip, it would be great evidence to disprove Flat Earth and you should use that in the future. If nobody has done that trip yet, we should be asking why not.

Also if you traveled along the "equator" in a straight line, you would fall off the map.

How do you figure that? in the map, it clearly denotes the equator as a circle underneath the mean position of the sun's theoretical flat Earth orbit. Your compass's east and west position would point along the path of that circle wherever on it you stood, because True north would always be pointing at the center of the disc.

Again, I don't believe that Flat Earth is real one bit, but it irks me when people act all high and mighty over Flat Earthers all the while using non-sensical or circular arguments to "disprove Flat Earth".

Compasses aside, if you took any form of aircraft and set it on a directly straight course, it would not follow the equator line in the image you provided. That's why when planes follow the equator, they aren't constantly listing slightly to the left or right depending on whether they are moving approximately east or west.

Any line tangent to a circle is not a part of that circle, and you can't justify using magnetic navigation as a proof to flat earth theory when withholding said tools causes the theory to crumble.

if you took any form of aircraft and set it on a directly straight course, it would not follow the equator line in the image you provided.

that is true, but as I briefly mentioned earlier, it also wouldn't do that on our globe Earth, due to winds coming more from one side than the other. Constant re-adjustment is already necessary. If that readjustment had an additional bias because of the slightly curved trajectory, I'd imagine it to be small enough not to be noticed in either manual flight or auto-flight by even the most nimble navigators. But that's conjecture, of course.

All I'm advocating for is a debate at eye level, no matter the topic or how sure we are that the other side is wrong. Not because it's politically correct or anything, but because it's the only worthwhile form of discussion, in my opinion. There are many ways to prove the Earth is round, but only so many ways we can determine that one way or the other using simple experiments of observations. The typical experiment with the shadows of identical pillars at different latitudes is probably the most popular experiment that "proves the Earth is round", but it really doesn't prove that. It's like those formulas that leave you with two possible but different solutions. One is the accepted heliocentric model, the other is the model that has a flat planar earth with a small sun and small moon circling the North pole in their respective periods at a height of some 25-50 km or so. As a globe-Earth believer, such a proposition sounds intrinsically mad, but if viewed with a layer of detachment, it seems that both models satisfy the observation of the ancient Greek geometers.

Again, that's not meant to prove the Earth is flat, but illustrate that it's not entirely mad to entertain the idea.

What's more difficult to explain in the Flat Earth model is why we can't seem to see the Northern Sky from the "outer hemidisc" and why the sky would seem to rotate in one way in Europe and the opposite direction in Australia, while looking North in both cases.

Or how it would be possible to have sunlight shine along the underside of clouds during certain conditions before sunrise and after sunset. That seems to work only with a distant sun and a curved/spherical Earth.

I'd welcome any FE-believer to chime in at this point, though, should those objections have a valid explanation in the FE model. If there are, I'll have to go rummage for better arguments.

You're one of the few people I've ever seen, online or offline, who can discuss this topic intelligently without resorting to ad hominem or appeals to authority.

Thank you, I do try. I guess I took Chapelle's words to heart when he said "the worst thing you can call somebody is 'crazy', it's dismissive." So I try to refrain from doing that to those I disagree with, as well as occasionally defending those who are called crazy if I see aspects of their viewpoints that aren't as crazy as the accusers pretend they are. People would be amazed at what kind of quality discussions we could all have if everyone just spoke their minds freely and politely, without fear of prosecution or ridicule, no matter if we agree or disagree in the end. My most insightful moments on here were with people I didn't understand or believe at first.

Only on a spherical earth? Wtf? Have an awesome spin today.

The earth is flat and judging by your comment, you haven't bothered to look into it. Oh well. I used to think it was so ridiculous it took me a while for my ego to look into it.

Bingo

i watch a video on youtube who is made in 2013 freemasons are about to 6.5 million is truth

What?

every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

does this apply to the masons and there structure in the sense that there are a faction who is the total opposite of them?

Assuming we are collectively opposed to Freemasonry, then we would be such a faction.

If you've read the High-Level Insider threads, they seem to indicate rather credibly that a more organized and powerful such faction indeed exists too, by the name (genuine or code-name) of Three.

There's also Ben Fulford and the White Dragon Society. I'm not too familiar with that faction yet, so please correct me if I'm mistaken everyone, but from what I've seen they too work against Freemasonry.

yea i am familiare whit HLI and "three" thats why im asking. u/ AhuwahZeus seams to know a lot so maybe he can tell us more about them..

Benjamin Fulford is fake as fuck. remember one time he said that the queen of England and the pope was trying to stop the pedophile network

Haha, shit. That'd be funny if it weren't so fucking tragic. Thanks for the input, I'll have to read into that guy a little more then.

the best thing you can do is to take psychedelics. expand your mind

Did you mean to reply that to me? I certainly agree with you, at any rate, I'm just not sure how it relates to Ben Fulford or opposition to masonry.

Did you mean to reply that to me?

yepp

Yea... that got weird there.

Could you point me in the right direction to find out more about High Level Insider and Three stuff?

Sure thing. But it's a long read, so you might wanna take it in several sessions.

Here's the full thread dump. There are other accounts and sources as well which appear to cover similar content (space elevator anon, /u/h_l_i, /u/closedsociety404), should you want to dig in deeper afterwards.

Take it all with a grain of salt, but many of us here have critically assessed the information provided by this anon and there is not a single lie contained within. Some controversial and not easily verifiable information (such as Osama = Obama), but nothing that can be proven to be false. Have fun in there, and hit me up if you wanna talk about anything in particular.

This might be useful - I put together a summary. The thread u/haveyouseenmymarble linked you is in there too.

White Dragon is a meme.

The Three is a code name for a Knight-Like order that swears to destroy evil in all its forms.

You're literally knighted when you enter, but they don't meet on a round table, wear armor, or take communion from a skull.

As I said, I'll have to look into the White Dragon Society, as I've only heard of it in passing.

I'm curious where you got the information from that members of Three are literally knighted, as that is new to me. It's certainly gnostic in its interpretation of the Bible, but to say they consider themselves Freemasons doesn't sit right with me. It's been a while since I've read the material, but I remember them explaining that they consider themselves on-par with Freemasons, but with wildly different and largely opposed goals.

It may have been a stretch by me to claim that Three is opposed to Freemasonry, though, as it would be more accurate to say they oppose many of the ideas that are popular within Freemasonry.

I'm curious where you got the information from

Membership of both The Real and Freemasons. PM and we can talk proof.

as it would be more accurate to say they oppose many of the ideas

This. Your information is pretty accurate.

In ancient Rome the high priest and Caesar used the title of Pontifex Maximus and this title is still used by the Pope of Rome today.

Do you have a credible source for this?

You can Google "pontifex maximus" and the definition that shows are both the ancient Roman preisthood title and a title of the Pope. If you get sucked into the rabbit hole, you will connect all the dots as to how the pagan occult socieites of Rome absorbed the Catholic Church and planted their beliefs and views.

For example: Christian holidays such as Easter and Christmas were ancient Roman and Mesopotamian ritual holidays. Easter was for the goddess Ishtar (goddess of fertility, thus the eggs) and Christmas takes place during the festival of Saturnalia.

I don't have all my notes readily available and my memory is shit, but the Catholic Church and occult societies of today have an entwined history that makes it incredibly hard not to make a correlation between the two.

You can Google

I can do a lot of things, but I simply asked if you had a credible source for your claims. Do you?

Yeah, the Vatican office of the Pope.

he's reffering to u as one of ops alts, i think, this exact scenario is fuckin scum spooky, but just so u know, ur waistin time with these comments, 'pope' in google and first link is all it takes for this GUY to source his CURIOUSITY?

"The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner."

Freemasonsry is the biggest dark occultist organization out there.

You need to differentiate between the original stone masons guild that preserved the trade secrets of stone-masonry and ensured it's standards of workmanship and getting decently paid for it that was subsequently high-jacked by the aristos and elites who originally hired and employed most of them and the the so-called "Free-masons" and "Freemasonry" that emerged as result.

The elites had numerous secret societies that under the cover of that they were able to bring together and merge through the already existing and widespread network of stone mason lodges and guilds which they immediately assumed control over and set about to remake in their own image.

Geometry, rather than their mythology, was far more the religion of the ancient Greeks of the classical period to whom we owe so much. The gods they deemed to rule over them and the stories they told about them are all peppered with the same kind of faults, foibles, and petty jealousies that are only too common among humans and so it was a way for ordinary people to look at them from arm's length and better understand their own.

Plato's Academy of Philosophy not any Maths or mathematics was said to have a sign over the door that said "Let no one enter here who doesn't know Geometry." Although Pythagoras is best know for his contributions to Geometry, few are aware that he was a genuine mystic and a had a flourishing school of his own that Geometry played an important and special role in. In order to know what that role was and join his inner circle a person had to give-up all of their worldly possessions and dedicate their lives solely to the higher levels of thought that would introduce them to.

Those peculiar facts seem to indicate that there is a power and higher understanding buried in the practice of Geometry and that the proponents of what is called "Sacred Geometry" are on the right road to knowing what that is even if they haven't quite gotten there yet.

wrong. original freemasons were the real patriots, the real founding fathers of America and much of western civilization. they were a known "secret society" that was infiltrated and turned into what it is today although the base still remains.

This was my understanding as well.

Opinions vary, so the OP isn't wrong. That the US is a Freemason-founded state is no secret, and that many of the founding fathers were Masons. In that way, I suppose yes, they were the original patriots.

Whether you think that is good or bad is different. Whether one thinks George Washington was an evil Freemason or one of the good members who belong to the Three is opinion.

In theory there is a faction within Freemasonry striving to remove the chains of bondage from humanity (the Three, who claim George Washington and Jesus among their former members), but these folks would be rebels within the society.

Whether the US was set-up as a vassal state of the Euro nobility or an attempt to break-away from said nobility is the crux here. I'm personally undecided on George Washington/Three but pretty sure the Euro nobility wanted the US as a vassal state.

The Freemasons sponsored many revolutions including America, France and Russia. Then in the early 1860's, the Civil War era, there were dozens more revolutions all across Europe. Russia in particular is interesting later as both Stalin and Marx signal the York Rite, as did Napoleon. The history is there to study.

Were the Freemasons patriots of 50 different countries? Or were they using order out of chaos to execute a global strategy?

What in your opinion is the sort of powerful occult knowledge that the "royal families" possess? Stuff like mind control, psycho-kinesis, magic?

How would any of us have any idea what they know?

They possess mainly.. Longer lives.

A few hundred to a thousand years old individuals, hidden away from the public.

Can definitely believe that. I also think age-regression tech is feasible/exists (soft disclosure: benjamin button). And if they can reverse aging, it goes without saying that they probably have all forms of illness/disease/cancer beat. Probably through light and sound techniques, and other holistic techniques that they love suppressing while they use them themselves.

And there's always cloning, so the "public" figure of a person can die off of old age while the real one lives on in perpetual youth.

It's to do mainly with food and temp.

The more connected one is with the Universe, the colder they can keep their brain and body, eating just enough for basic processes and so on, the body will go into a state of longevity.

Most things in the Occult/Freemasonry and so on is to do with the rebirth of an Individual, if you study Hinduism and Initiations, it's all about the rebirth of an individual.

Depending on who your new found bonds are, you'll gain in some areas and lose in others. It's all a bit of a mind fuck, I got into it, and I did rebirth myself mentally, I just ended up getting found out.. and yeah.

Interesting thanks for the follow-up. What sort of tranquilizers do you think we're forced to take? I'm on stuff like anti-depressants but I also think the stuff in our food and water, as well as the blanket EM coverage of the population is used to keep us in a lower state. Psychic-suppression if you will.

Yep, those are brain disabling drugs. Prozac and Valium, Lithium, Floride, Antipsychotics.

Damn, any links on Lithium I could read about? Been taking it recently but I'm incredibly skeptical of it and don't even think I have bipolar. Worried about long term damage if I keep taking it, though I do also feel the brain is incredibly resilient and able to resist a lot of damage from these kind of things.

IDK just a shot in the dark. Maybe one of the fam members was reading this thread and would feel like sharing some sweet tidbits of knowledge

In my understanding, the Freemasons believe that they are descended from the builders of the pyramids, who were supposedly enslaved at the time of building.

But in modern practical terms, a secret society such as this is used as a way to aggregate power into the hands of the few. It creates a powerful network of 'insiders' who view themselves as an elite. And once a group views itself as an 'elite' it is easier to get said group to act negatively towards others whom they see as 'below' them.

But like any large organization, the true, larger, motive is known to only a few at the top of the pyramid (so to speak).

As to the Rosicrucians, I believe that they were (or are) a positively oriented group who were largely active in the 19th century, sometimes spreading esoteric knowledge through popular novels (H.G. Wells, Edward Bulwer-Lytton).

have you ever actually read any of the works you think you know about? like about Hermeticism?

these are advanced, complex, rational systems of philosophy and morality and understanding - not "constructing elements in society intended for control". Society advanced due in large part of people like the ones involved in masonry and hermeticism because those are the smart people.

lol, you're being uninformed as hell right now and it's ridiculous.

sure man, if you type it, it must be true!

I just did you dumb fuck, it's a link to source material to immediately go prove yourself wrong by actually looking into the "substance" of the stuff YOU are talking about in very vague/conspiratorial tones.

And you've compiled all of this based on countless hours of YouTube research, right? This is hilarious.

You're not exposing Freemasonry. You're making wild assumptions and accusations, and any individual with common knowledge of Freemasonry can clearly see you have no idea what you're talking about. There's millions of active Freemasons in the world. If we wanted to take it over, we're doing a piss poor job. Ill informed people like yourself are always looking for a boogeyman, and unfortunately often find it in pillars of your community. You then use a couple "bad apple" examples over the last (at least) hundreds of years of fraternity as evidence of evil throughout the entire organization, and its appendant bodies. No one is perfect and there will be wrong doers in any organization this size, unfortunate as it is.

How would any of us have any idea what they know?