Interesting - New Navy railgun being tested blows smoke or steam out the muzzle
0 2017-09-18 by Tunderbar1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO_zXuOQy6A&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=usnavyresearch
A video of a new Navy railgun that uses no propellants or explosives, and uses only electromagnetic forces to propel the projectile..... but it still blows smoke or steam out the muzzle.
Makes no sense.
I've seen videos of actual small scale railguns. They don't blow smoke or steam out the muzzle.
Wonder what the deal is.
59 comments
1 ENDLESSBLOCKADEZ 2017-09-18
Dude exactly!!! I wanted to see the target!!! To me this just looked like an advertisement for requesting more money from the pentagon.
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
It was a firing test. if you notice, it's just shooting out over the water, so i don't think they were trying to hit anything, it was a test of the firing & reloading mechanisms.
1 ENDLESSBLOCKADEZ 2017-09-18
Oh word
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
Well. There's another thing. Why was there no equipment to measure anything? Speed or projectile. Energy on impact on a target. Distance. Accuracy. Etc.
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
What makes you think none of those things are being measured?
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
Didn't see anything in the video except a gun barrel on a stand.
1 goroboldo 2017-09-18
Does not seeing a thing mean it doesn't exist?
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
Ok, so? There are other trailers and buildings all around it. You don't need to stand in front of it with a camera to track information, it's 2017. :P
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
I think you are probably right. Another few billion dollars spent somewhere in another Pentagonal fiscal black hole.
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
I'd imagine that it's the burning projectile.
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
Why is it burning?
1 WestCoastHippy 2017-09-18
Speed and friction with the air, barrel, or other mechanism?
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
Because it's traveling at hypersonic speeds? Mach 6 in this case. That's ~7400 KPH. Shit burns when it goes that fast.
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
Okay. Again, smoke comes out the barrel. The projectile actually was surrounded by a sabot. A sabot is used to seal a projectile against a barrel to maximize the air pressure behind it from an explosive force.
That is NOT how a railgun works.
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
If it wasn't the projectile itself burning, there are a number of other things that will burn. Notably the air itself, as well as the internal metal shaft of the gun. One of the big problems with rail guns is that they wear themselves out just from use.
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
No.
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
OK, you officially have no idea what you're talking about by saying that.
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
I know enough about how railguns work to know that one of the main features is zero friction. They don't wear out the barrels unless there is a malfunction.
It's similar to a maglev train. There is NO FRICTION on the barrel.
"you officially have no idea what you're talking about" - right back at you.
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
You should spend five minutes with google and correct yourself on this subject. There's massive amounts of friction in rain guns. You seem to be confusing real life with science fiction.
1 spacelord_rasputin 2017-09-18
Actually barrel fatigue is one of the primary engineering challenges in designing a functional railgun. Molten metal from the round actually deposits on the barrel surface. The sabot is an armature that bridges the gap between the rails allowing the round to be accelerated. The smoke you see is the result of adiabatic compression of the air in front of the projectile as it is accelerated on the order of 1000g.
1 jdotg 2017-09-18
No.
1 rhex1 2017-09-18
I've built a rail gun, there's friction. Also electrical arcs form between projectile and rails, vaporizing some of both.
1 shmusko01 2017-09-18
I like how the phenomenon is explained to you, but you keep acting like a child
1 i0datamonster 2017-09-18
Pressure, heat, and water vapor. Its vaporizing the air around it.
Small scale railguns do this as well but at a much smaller scale.
1 Rockran 2017-09-18
Could be the intense heat and pressure from shooting something that darn fast.
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
No. You use materials that can withstand that amount of electro-magnetic pressure or force. If anything, the projectile would simply disintegrate in small pieces and/or dust.
1 goroboldo 2017-09-18
Heat and pressure affects air which has water vapor in it.
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
Enough effect on it to create an explosion similar to explosive propellants? No.
1 Jolcski 2017-09-18
There's no such thing as electromagnetic pressure
1 shmusko01 2017-09-18
Things moving fast in a small tube.
1 Jolcski 2017-09-18
Not what you said. I think you need to research vapor pressure.
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-09-18
a cooling system for the magnets or other hardware?
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-09-18
commented before i watched the video. seems strange that there is any smoke at all wtf?
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
Coming out the barrel with the projectile?
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
If i recall, rain guns of that size don't actually use magnets, but rather just massive electrical charges.
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
electro magnetic pulses on a magnetic projectile.
The words give it away.
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
https://www.defensetech.org/2017/07/21/navys-railgun-will-get-faster-powerful-summer/
The rails themselves take wear damage every time the device is used, and they have to be replaced or else it will damage the overall gun. Fortunately, they're relatively cheap and easy to replace.
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-09-18
so the electrical charge sets off that much smoke? still doesnt add up
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
The smoke is from vaporized metal from the projectile and the barrel as it gets fired. You don't see that happening on smaller rail guns because.. we.. they're smaller. This this is frigging massive, the largest most powerful rail gun ever created. Not even operating at full power yet. Literally needs a nuclear power plant to operate when in the field (on a boat).
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-09-18
hmm very interesting. so is the electric pulse moved from the interior of the gun to the tip bringing the projectile along with it? figured id ask before i go search it up
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
That sounds right but i'm not 100%.
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-09-18
very interesting. wonder if we could launch rockets this way
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
Not with our current level of tech, that's for sure. If it takes a nuclear power plant to shoot a few pounds of projectile, i think a multi-ton rocket is a way off. That and if anyone was inside it they'd be turned into jello. :D
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-09-18
at least with the tech they are willing to share
1 Blakwulf 2017-09-18
Fair.
1 goroboldo 2017-09-18
Propelling something at that speed is going to cause heat and pressure fluctuations in the barrel. Those forces in turn are probably creating from air moisture.
Scale matters in this case.
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
Maybe. But it looks exactly like a standard gun that uses explosive propellants. Doesn't look right.
1 goroboldo 2017-09-18
How do you know what looks right? Are you an expert on railguns?
1 Tunderbar1 2017-09-18
Again. I know enough about railguns to know what makes sense what doesn't make sense.
A railgun works with electromagnetic energy. A series of sequential bursts of intense electro magnetic energy hits a magnetic projectile from every side and from behind it, lifting it away from the walls of the barrel or rails and propelling it down the barrel or rail. NO FRICTION.
Except possibly friction of the projectile against the air. That may cause some effect. But there should be little or NO smoke or fire coming out the barrel or rail itself.
Certainly nothing like what you see in those videos.
Just like building 7, this is an absolutely obvious one.
And fyi, the resistance being offered to this observation, from you guys who claim to be conspiracy theorists, kinda proves my point.
You guys are pretty closed-minded and resistant to common sense, for people who claim to be CPs.
1 goroboldo 2017-09-18
How do you know you know enough to say that?
How do you know?
1 contendedrhinoceros 2017-09-18
Tell me everything you know about Rail guns.
1 AIsuicide 2017-09-18
1:28 mark on this video is interesting.
https://youtu.be/hzxqw7bbA7c
1 goroboldo 2017-09-18
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2styo8/eli5_why_does_smoke_and_fire_come_out_the_end_of/
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1 187ninjuh 2017-09-18
To the top you go!
1 HideFoundHide 2017-09-18
Perhaps they've found that a traditional explosive charge which accelerates the projectile before it enters the electromagnetic yields a higher rate of acceleration.
If you think about it, if the EM field is only limited by the amount of time over the distance, but it's acceleration is constant (like an electric car) the faster (greater starting speed) it enters the EM field, the more higher end speed it can realize.
1 Tinkeringhalo10 2017-09-18
Office of Naval Research (ONR) demonstrates the Navy's electromagnetic railgun initial rep-rate fires of multi-shot salvos at the Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division. The revolutionary railgun relies on a massive electrical pulse, rather than gunpowder or other chemical propellants, to launch projectiles at distances over 100 nautical miles – and at speeds that exceed Mach 6.
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-09-18
My pellet gun creates smoke. Go learn what happens when you quickly decompress humid air.
1 Dont_stop 2017-09-18
Serious question, did you go to school for any science degree?
https://youtu.be/i737rM6FxqE?t=6m6s