Hmm. May he true in America. Not here, sure we are reliant but most of us know how to get by without. How to hunt etc and if anything happened I'd happily help those that can't. Haven't noticed the demonizing of preppers, although even i think the ones stockpiling guns and ammo in rediculous amounts are stupid (in complete honesty)

Haven't noticed the demonizing of preppers, although even i think the ones stockpiling guns and ammo in rediculous amounts are stupid (in complete honesty)

pick one

Well. I haven't noticed about the demonizing of all preppers as a whole. But in my opinion the ones stockpiling guns and ammo in rediculous amounts are stupid. Not all preppers are about stocking that stuff. Thought it made sense however not surprised I got a response like this on this page.

But in my opinion the ones stockpiling guns and ammo in rediculous amounts are stupid.

Can you expand on why you think people stockpiling weapons and ammo are stupid? I'm just curious.

And what is a "ridiculous" amount in your opinion?

Like enough for a mini army lol. But has since been explained why

If SHTF why would it be stupid? Ammo/Weapons would have a dual use for protection and currency.

Not to mention food for those who know how to hunt, dress, and cook their game. Kinda find it silly that food isn't even put in the equation when it comes to firearms and ammo in a SHTF situation.

Makes more sense, thank you kindly

Yep, in some cases/places it is illegal in the USA. They call it hoarding or stockpiling goods. Can't have more than X days of food or water.

Show us.

Read below

I don't think that has anything to do with preppers.

Unless you can also show a list of "such designations made by the President."

This was used during WWII, but I don't think at any time since.

And that doesn't demonize preppers.

Read my update. Section e explicitly targets "food"

Thank you for taking the effort of doing this. I wasn't aware. I truly appreciate it.

That doesn't make it more relevant to present day

lol wut

2010 US Code Title 50 – WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE TITLE 50 – APPENDIX-WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT OF 1950 Sec. 2072 – Hoarding of designated scarce materials

In order to prevent hoarding, no person shall accumulate (1) in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption, or (2) for the purpose of resale at prices in excess of prevailing market prices, materials which have been designated by the President as scarce materials or materials the supply of which would be threatened by such accumulation. The President shall order published in the Federal Register, and in such other manner as he may deem appropriate, every designation of materials the accumulation of which is unlawful and any withdrawal of such designation.

In making such designations the President may prescribe such conditions with respect to the accumulation of materials in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption as he deems necessary to carry out the objectives of this Act [sections 2061 to 2170, 2171, and 2172 of this Appendix]. This section shall not be construed to limit the authority contained in sections 101 and 704 of this Act [sections 2071 and 2154 of this Appendix].

So it's not illegal to hoard anything right now. But it could be if the president deemed an item to be scarce. So...

Can you still acknowledge how arbitrary and totalitarian that is?

It is but this was made in the hay day of backyard bunker building, they didn't want people buying up the door from other people

How about a list of things published in the Federal Register?

How about you do your own homework bubs.

Probably the same reason you failed to prove that the government has any regulations preventing you from stockpiling food, water etc.

Except I did.

No, you copied part of a law that was written in 1950 which said the president may restrict certain things.

You can buy food for one person first a month at Walmart.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EasyPrep-Instant-Favorites-1-Month-Emergency-Food-Storage-Supply-1-Bucket-236-Total-Servings-9-Different-Entrees/496795294?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=7933&adid=22222222227079901181&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=t&wl3=192818871733&wl4=pla-304499773843&wl5=9007799&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=115068587&wl11=online&wl12=496795294&wl13=&veh=sem#read-more

So what goods are designated "scarce"?

Whatever the people in charge decide.

So are there any goods right now that are designated "scarce"?

Not likely

Liberty

And justice for all

red pills

I cannot take people seriously who use that term.

that subreddit full of womanizing douches ruined it. it was a great term and still can be but the smell of those obnoxious retards still lingers.

Womanizing douches rofl. They apply sexual strategy that is only effective due to the average woman forfeiting free will for neurochemical and psychological impulses.

All women have to do for TRP to be useless is mature enough to override their ridiculous emotional inclinations with logic and suddenly the strategies will be ineffective. Not gonna hold my breath though. And calling them 'obnoxious retards' when they are just human males successfully figuring out how to fuck in the year 2017 is the real retarded train of thought.

Lol "successfully", most of their posts come off as fan fiction. And it's great how you outlined that a woman simply needs to be mature to not fall victim to the manipulation. Basically their dumb plan only works on fellow idiots.

Hurrr, women can't logic

Women are being exploited by the system. Their "ridiculous emotional inclinations" are an evolutionary advantage and a key trait of what makes them attractive to men & effective as mothers, but because they are being manipulated by TPTB to lead women into selfish and self-destructive behaviors, men are conditioned to resent them. None of this is healthy. Men and women are supposed to complement each other.

You shouldn't resent women for what they are.

That's exactly what TRP says.

Men and women are supposed to complement each other.

They used to, until the powers that be decided they could make more money/have more power if they created a war between the sexes.

We do not disagree.

Agreed.

Yeah but if you're a woman who calls out their strategy it's not like they give you any respect or show any interest in getting to know you, even if you call them out with a smile in a jovial way. Those people are really stupid boring people, they can't seem to have a normal conversation and they've been so brainwashed into thinking that women aren't real intelligent sentient beings that their intellect or charm or whatever gets blown over by the tiniest of breezes. So the only women they'll have any success with will be similarly stupid and vacuous, and they'll make stupid vacuous babies, and that's just bad for the species.

All in good fun, mate.

I've saw some articles on the front page the other day about some states trying to make it illegal to store rainwater over a certain amount. I didn't read the details about it but there's an example of abuse of that concept.

It is already illegal to collect rainwater in several Western states. The water belongs to the state, not you, punk!

Owning a (certified organic) farm, you get a call from the Government asking how much exactly you yield/produce on your land. They will tell you outright that in case of a disaster, any excess will be taken and stored elsewhere. You do not own the fruits of your labor.

The USDA liquidated the remaining grain reserves back in 2008 during the 'crash'.

The modern concept of a strategic grain reserve was first proposed in the 1930s by Wall Street legend Benjamin Graham. Graham’s idea hinged on the clever management of buffer stocks of grain to tame our daily bread’s tendencies toward boom and bust. When grain prices rose above a threshold, supplies could be increased by bringing reserves to the market — which, in turn, would dampen prices. And when the price of grain went into free-fall and farmers edged toward bankruptcy, the need to fill the depleted reserve would increase the demand for corn and wheat, which would prop up the price of grain.

Following Graham’s theory, President Franklin D. Roosevelt created a grain reserve that helped rally the price of wheat and saved American farms during the Depression. In the inflationary 1970s, the USDA revamped FDR’s program into the Farmer-Owned Grain Reserve, which encouraged farmers to store grain in government facilities by offering low-cost and even no-interest loans and reimbursement to cover the storage costs. But over the next quarter of a century the dogma of deregulated global markets came to dominate American politics, and the 1996 Freedom to Farm Act abolished our national system of holding grain in reserve.

As for all that wheat held in storage, it became part of the Bill Emerson Humanitarian Trust, a food bank and global charity under the authority of the secretary of Agriculture. The stores were gradually depleted until 2008, when the USDA decided to convert all of what was left into its dollar equivalent. And so the grain that once stabilized prices for farmers, bakers and American consumers ended up as a number on a spreadsheet in the Department of Agriculture.

You can grow food without even telling the government so long as you don't sell the food or try to write off the expenses of growing said food on your taxes. It's completely legal.

What , do you think you're smart ass ? or you just too dumb to understand and this shit's going right over your head ? I suspect a little of both.

where is this quote from, please.

It is from what is called the United States Code (Title 50), which the poster cited at the very beginning. It can be found in what is called a "book" and if you are lucky, your local "library" (a building filled with books) will still have a current copy. The United States Code (not one book, but a collection of "books" in various "volumes" or "titles") is the Law of the Land as enacted by Congress.

It is from what is called the United States Code (Title 50), which the poster cited at the very beginning. It can be found in what is called a "book" and if you are lucky, your local "library" (a building filled with books) will still have a current copy. The United States Code (not one book, but a collection of "books" in various "volumes" or "titles") is the Law of the Land as enacted by Congress.

Do you find that talking that way to people actually helps matters?

there's no such thing as a stupid question, but snarky answers make the world go round.

/r/im14andthisisdeep

Yes. Yes, I do.

Nice!

I can feel the smug satisfaction you got from typing this.

I collect books, so his smug satisfaction is pretend.

That sounds like they're stopping people from preventing others getting what they need to survive.

Like how many retail stores stop people buying more than 1 Iphone per person, so everyone else can get one.

Look at point (2), it even specifically states against excessive resale price.

Can't have more than X days of food or water. You made that up.

Have you seen some states passing laws against collecting rain water? How did the government come to own the sky.

Because it fucks up the land when everybody does it?

It fucks up profit

Montival, you really should look into the reasoning behind why those laws exist and how old they are. You appear to be operating from a position of less than complete knowledge on the subject.

Correct, it fucks up the profits made by water companies.

And there should be a difference between collecting water off your roof for normal household use or harvesting acres of water for your swimming pool.

Have you seen any laws that prevent me from filling my swimming pool? Even filling it constantly if I want?

yes, during periods of drought.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal in Arizona. I'm not 100% if that's the state but I've read a news article about someone getting fined for collecting it.

And I'm pretty sure that no state will fine you from collecting falling rain into barrels. These laws are to prevent you from diverting streams into your holding ponds so that there is no water for anyone downstream.

that doesn't sound like the story I read but I've never heard of anyone doing it to that degree and then just letting it stagnate. It sounds like a health hazard so I can see why he would be fined. What I was getting from all of these stories was someone collecting water in maybe one 55 gallon drum or something like that.

That makes sense.

I saw a news story from Medford Oregon just a few months ago where the county forced someone on rural land to fill in their rain fed pond

It was Washington I believe. And he did it for years with multiple warnings to stop before they actually arrested him. Also, he wasn't collecting it in water collection tanks. He had hundreds of 55gallon metal drums filled with stagnate rain water no one could actually use.

Not saying that there aren't genuine laws prohibiting people from collecting rain water for their own use, but the big article I always see people reference is about an asshole disrupting the environment beyond reason and had ample opportunity to correct his behavior before the law was brought down on him.

that doesn't sound like the story I read but I've never heard of anyone doing it to that degree and then just letting it stagnate. It sounds like a health hazard so I can see why he would be fined. What I was getting from all of these stories was someone collecting water in maybe one 55 gallon drum or something like that.

You got zackalt, eyeofthebeast, rockran and schotel to reply to you. You must have touched a nerve. Bump this to the top!

People who track others in this subreddit are the real creepy ones

They are. Good thing I'm not one of them. I simply use my memory to remember which users generally spend most of their time forum sliding, distracting from the point, and trolling rather than contributing.

Lmao those mental gymnastics

Call me Jericho... because YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!

The list of what?

Wwe reference

holy shit what a douche

People with memories are the real bad guys! We got a memory hole lover here.

1984 the guy right here.

You dont need to track them when they show up consistently to spread their bullshit. I know their names just from lurking around here.

nice i didn't know these ones i'll try and remember them. I always look for, chuck_rogers and chiguy.

Talltromboneguy too.

Where is it illegal? I live in Massachusetts...it's not illegal here

Order a few cases of ammo online and see what happens.

Explain your implication.

I've done that... Nothing happened except my ammo showed up a few days later.

My guess is that if anybody were to raise an eyebrow about someone ordering a few cases of ammo, it's not hoarding they're worried about.

It isn't hoarding at all that they are worried about.

LOL why order that shit online?

I can find federal hydra shok .45 ACP+P locally.

It's cheaper to buy it in bulk online.

There were serious ammo shortages a few years back (wonder why...) and all the places around me had purchase limits. It was like black friday the days shipments would come in - big lines before the store opened up.

So it's a law that says "If the Governor wants to, he can limit you to 2 cases of water bottles and 9 gallons of gas so that there will be enough to go around."

Seems a bit reasonable.

Use the current reference... 50 U.S. Code § 4512 - Hoarding of designated scarce materials

§4512. Hoarding of designated scarce materials In order to prevent hoarding, no person shall accumulate (1) in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption, or (2) for the purpose of resale at prices in excess of prevailing market prices, materials which have been designated by the President as scarce materials or materials the supply of which would be threatened by such accumulation. The President shall order published in the Federal Register, and in such other manner as he may deem appropriate, every designation of materials the accumulation of which is unlawful and any withdrawal of such designation. In making such designations the President may prescribe such conditions with respect to the accumulation of materials in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption as he deems necessary to carry out the objectives of this chapter. This section shall not be construed to limit the authority contained in sections 4511 and 4554 of this title. (Sept. 8, 1950, ch. 932, title I, §102, 64 Stat. 799 ; July 31, 1951, ch. 275, title I, §101(b), 65 Stat. 132 .) Termination of Section For termination of section, see section 4564(a) of this title. References in Text This chapter, referred to in text, was in the original "this Act", meaning act Sept. 8, 1950, ch. 932, 64 Stat. 798 , known as the Defense Production Act of 1950, which is classified principally to this chapter. For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see section 4501 of this title and Tables.

Codification Section was formerly classified to section 2072 of the former Appendix to this title prior to editorial reclassification and renumbering as this section.

Amendments 1951-Act July 31, 1951, authorized President to prescribe conditions and exceptions allowing maintenance of substantial inventories of critical materials in certain cases.

Delegation of Functions Functions of President under this chapter relating to production, conservation, use, control, distribution, and allocation of energy, delegated to Secretary of Energy, see section 4 of Ex. Ord. No. 11790, June 25, 1974, 39 F.R. 23185, set out as a note under section 761 of Title 15, Commerce and Trade.

Under Executive order 13603 almost everything can be confiscated in the name of National defense. All anyone has to do is read it. The PDF from the .gov site isn't hidden, it's just people don't want to believe it.

Thank you. And the fucked up thing is, as soon as the martial law switch is flipped, preppers immediately become criminals and their property can be confiscated... Just for trying to be prepared.

Anyone who refuses to give up their stuff willingly will probably be criminally charged or worse.... Except the Federal Reserve, It will be rape time for the Fed

(b) Each guaranteeing agency is designated and authorized to: (1) act as fiscal agent in the making of its own guarantee contracts and in otherwise carrying out the purposes of section 301 of the Act; and (2) contract with any Federal Reserve Bank to assist the agency in serving as fiscal agent.

Yup. And yet for some reason there are dicktards trying to say there is nothing to worry about. Why would they codify a system of theft if they never planed on using it.

Douche baggery at its best with a couple hundreds lines of double talk because people don't care is the best way to describe it. Bullshit orders are made to imply its for the greater good.... They never actually say who its good for though.

While this clearly gives the government way too much power, it does allow the government to prevent something like a panic and consequential run on grocery stores and retail stores in general during the event of some kind of collapse.

I don't agree with it, just saying. It's government overreach to be sure.

I read a lot of stuff every day. I see no trend to demonize preppers, I do see some alarms going up about the mass ownership of guns by people inclined to misinformed, impulsive behavior.

Some of those bunkers are pretty fancy, and many old homes have a basement to hide the family,during hurricanes and attacks.

If there is something going on with trying to ruin Preppers, it's new, and will fail. One thing is obvious - something wants everyone defenseless. Another sure thing is that there are many people unwilling to participate in activities that could merit them the honor of receiving the Traitor badge.

something wants everyone defenseless.

I would like to replace "defenseless" with "dependent". I think the goal is to make everyone dependent on the system for support and survival so that no one dares challenge it. Just my two cents.

Good point. I think it is both. defenseless is definitely a tactic.

The ironic thing is that here in Australia, you do see news articles about people setting up houses or lifestyles in the bush (usually following a hippy style of life) but they don't get demonised. In actuality, they get held up as amazing examples of humanity.

Good old journalists: can't make up their mind on anything.

I have heard here in Aus that we cannot have any more than a certain days of food as well. What a crock. I have a bag of cinnamon in my cupboard that would last me nearly three years.

Except on 7 two or whatever channel doomsday preppers is on, the ads for that make the people seem crazy as fuck. Then you watch the show and they're usually very sane indeed

So how do you have that bag of cinnamon if you heard you cant have that much?

If I call the police do you think they will confiscate it?

, you hit an important bit of info there. the woolies, coles, iga's etc have just food to keep shit going for about 3 days in any given suburb ,

I bought about 6 months worth of long term storage food and many water filters when I came to realize this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyk7utV_D2I&t=59

Remember Adam Lanza's mother was practically mocked by the msm for being a "prepper" and owning guns?

"Adam Lanza"

No.

and you have what wreaks of a plan to bring the country to its knees in the near future

FYI... the correct word is "reeks".

You can wreak havoc. But if it reeks, it stinks.

And, you are correct. They plan to collapse the global economy and roll out the new world order (i.e. one world communist government). It's all being done intentionally. People will be so desperate they will take ANYTHING the leaders offer them. Starving people are easy to manipulate.

I wonder if the NWO we're thinking of will be the Singularity or initiated when the AI take most of the jobs-UBI could be the communist part. The single govt could b a single AI-governing system

ai will take the jobs

civil war will take the displaced workers

ubi will replace minimum wage since it will be cheaper to pay people to stay home.

profits will soar.

The single govt could be a single AI-governing system

I believe that's probably true. They've planned to track every human on the planet in realtime for quite some time. But, that's impossible for human beings. An AI could easily track and monitor all people at all times. I've often wondered if "the devil" written about in the Bible isn't really just an evil AI that has gained sentience? Maybe it wakes up and decides that humans are shit and tortures and kills us all?

The Butlerian Jihad will save us...

Well, someone should tell them about the mormons lol.

I'm interested. What's the deal with Mormons and prepping?

Oh I didn't have much to say about it. Prepping is part of their religion. Nearly all of them have at least a year (preferably 3 I think) of food stored at all times. Many of them also have a sensible number of guns and know how to use them. In this I think they are lightyears ahead of everyone else.

Prepping is part of their religion.

as is a very recent history of ostracism and governmental oppression.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with this aspect of their religion in any way. I have a great deal of respect for the structuring and culture of the mormons.

you are scared? its a sign you are a product of the system, designed to be ruled by emotions, not reason... just do the exact opposite of what the state wants and you will be okay

I think OP meant he/she is concerned about what the government is doing, and rightly so. You have no idea how simple it is to change the average sheeple's mind. So demonising prepping [which should be a fundamental right] is really quite worrying, because sheeple also rule the every day life, enforce laws and can make your life a misery. If you are happy to accept a law that incarcerates people for trying to live off the grid, you are just the man the governments need and love, with your attitude. [Because that is what will happen eventually with the help of people like you]. [Claps her hands]. I personally would prefer to reach the majority open their eyes, but hey who cares, right?

not only scare/fear is useless, it is paralysing, counterproductive. and that is how the population is shaped through the public education and media and other psychological tricks deployed by the state such as peer pressure and labeling, shaming etc.. gradually saying no to all that and leaving it all behind is part of our personal development, when there is a point when we shed all the baggage and go on with our lives lighter and more free than before.

a simple and practical approach to mental independence is to listen carefully to the state propaganda and msm programming and then project our thoughts, actions and world view in the exactly opposite manner..

Some countries like Germany encourage having supplies to last 10 or so days. I do agree it's concerning that msm demonise protecting your family from disasters like no food/electric.

FEMA recommends a month's supply, but they don't really make a huge effort to tell anyone. A month is still too short in my book.

A month seems sufficient. Especially considering storage

If a kind of disaster hits that you intend to prepare for (IE: Grid down for months due to unforeseen circumstances) then perhaps 1 month isn't sufficient. If I were to give a ballpark figure I'd say 4-6 months.

A strong solar flare could knock out power in the US for years.

Also the demonization of dissendents as radical nazis.

How do you know you're a nazi? I've compiled a checklist so that anyone can find out for themselves! If you fall under one of these categories, sorry friend, you're a confirmed nazi!

Question anthropogenic climate change - confirmed nazi

Criticize Obama - confirmed nazi

Vote Trump - confirmed nazi

Advocate freedom of speech and equal rights for all races - confirmed nazi

Call the MSM propaganda/fake news - confirmed nazi

Say there are only two genders - confirmed nazi

Be a jewish, black, hispanic, or asian who does any of the above - confirmed nazi

Be a white male - confirmed nazi

Have a nice day citizen!

I don't know why you're being downvoted, unless people don't catch the sarcasm. Or, they are completely ignorant that this IS the way people are being portrayed.

Found the nazi

Walk around with a red swastika arm band chanting "blood and soil" - confirmed Nazi

It's like god damn, a white guy can't have any fun any more am I right?/s

reeks.

Remember the show, Doomsday Preppers, that was designed to make preppers look ridiculous. Alinsky's 5th rule.

I just finished my bug out bag like 3 days ago! Haha! I don't even consider myself to be a prepper, though, I just want to have a decent plan in case of emergency... and with the condition of our nation today, I don't think that it is at all unreasonable.

nice. been on my mind lately as well. personally, I think it's kindof badass to have a bug out bag

Same here, dude. You never know, honestly, it's best to be prepared just in case.

Elites are fine bunch of guys aren't they?

If you did have an advanced prep setup, why the fuck would you advertise it on a national scale?!

I think prepping is overly optimistic. I fully expect chemical or germ warfare to take out most folks, right after all cell towers and internet connections are cut off. I prep for weather events for myself and the cat and the dog. That's who I wanna go out with anyway.

I'm still sad that the library doesn't attempt to keep a paper backup of the card catalog. It was such a beautiful system.

Demonization? I don't think so. I mean, there have been multiple tv shows showing off Preppers. Yeah, some were displayed in a poor light because they were a bit...off. But the majority were normal and interesting to view.

No, not demonized. Mocked, and rightfully so. The fact is that most preppers are conspiracy nuts that are as kooky as those sovereign citizen crazies.

Posts like OP's and a lot of the others in this post don't help matters, either.

Why are you in this sub? People who prepare for a potential collapse are "kooky nuts?" You sound like a naive fool.

I'm here because this post showed up on r/all.

People who think a 'potential collapse' is in anyway going to happen are your stereotypical doomsday nuts, yes. You've managed to convince yourself that you have privileged information, that you aren't one of the sheep, that you are smarter and wiser than the naive fools, as you called me. All you are is delusional, and this sub is an echo chamber where you suck each other's cock and reinforce the delusion that you are anything other than the newest flavor of conspiracy nut.

All the money you've sank into prepping for this imminent collapse that will never occur is money wasted. You won't even use the stuff you've bought because you think you'll need it later, so enjoy patting yourself on the back and watching your money rust and rot away.

Has it ever occurred to you that I don't think a collapse is likely to occur during my lifetime, just that I'd rather be prepared on the off chance that one does happen? And if you think some sort of collapse is impossible, then its true that you are a naive fool.

All the money you've sank into prepping for this imminent collapse that will never occur is money wasted.

I make $180K a year so its really a drop in the bucket for me. And even if a collapse does happen, I like shooting my guns at the range, I like visiting my second home in rural Montana and the truck I bought for $8k that I keep up there, and I feel comfortable having stored food, water and gasoline.

I guess it might not be worth it if I were broke, but its well worth it for me. Its probably not worth it for you, so let's hope for your sake that shit doesn't hit the fan during our lifetime.

you might have heard of these things called katrina, harvey, and irma.

And the smart thing to do is leave, not try to endure it.

there was no evacuation order for harvey in houston.

Do you need to be told to avoid a wasp nest too?

There's no justification for mocking someone who wants to be self-sufficient. I live in a coastal area prone to hurricanes. Should I not have a few weeks or even months worth of food, water, batteries, ammo, etc. stockpiled? To have plans and backup plans for bugging in or bugging out, or protecting my home from various types of threats? To have the materials, tools, and planning necessary to survive a catastrophe?

It would be stupid of me not to.

Preparing for a hurricane is one thing, because those actually happen, though I doubt you'll need ammunition in the face of one. Having a firearm to defend yourself from a burglar or home invasion is likewise acceptable.

However, trying to prepare for some vague potential catastrophe though, that's where it crosses the line into being nutty. What makes preppers appear more nutty is the crowing about how smart they are, how any day now the world will end. Any day now, yep, soon.

You're gonna feel like an asshole if they are right

The first rule of Prep Club is you don't talk about Prep Club.

A little OPSEC goes a long way.

Smart preppers don't brag about prepping. They keep a low profile and some that can afford it have various cache's. The hardest thing I feel to keep is water, because of weight and space. If you have a non-contaminated well or spring your lucky. Prep all you want, just don't talk about it.

Any show that presents a "horror of survival" is almost certain to provide all the wrong lessons about doing so.

'Walking Dead' fools waste bullets and never seem to show anyone who properly prepared.

'Fear the Walking Dead' shows a prep group who turn their guns over to the Native American group and invite them in to their settlement.

They also disallow solar and make rainwater collection illegal.

The government wants dumb, dependent idiots fighting amongst themselves.

.They also disallow solar and make rainwater collection illegal.

LOL someone read their own links...

maybe the plan is to cull out most of us so the planet has a chance to survive. have to admit, I'm ok with that.

I'm not. The planet will survive with or without us.

:-) right. I was sort of thinking 'lifeforms still extant'

The MSM's job is to demonize and marginalize anyone or group, that doesn't abide by the globalist "rules". Fuck that. Turn that shit off. It's useless.

Go on with your prepping. We'll see who has the last laugh.

I agree with OP. A friend is a hydrologist for the Garrison Diversion project in ND. About two years ago he spent a lot of time in D.C lobbying against a law that would make it impossible to drill a water well on your own property for any purpose. The bill did pass, but key components were struck out allowing for a land owner to create a well on their personal property. The attempt was there. I asked him what the rationale behind this law was and he could not provide an explanation scientifically as to why it made sense. They were lobbying against it due to the amount of harm it would do to smaller (non incorporated) farms. They are actively trying to control every aspect necessary for survival.

What's most interesting to me is that often you are said to be "hoarding gold" or stuff like that.

Anyone ever seen the trolls movie? It's actually a good movie, there's some good messages there, but jesus christ man there's such an obvious anti-prepper message there.

Its especially fucked up that citizens don't even have the basic agency to purchase medications for themselves. Unless you are rich then you cannot stock pile medications, even if your life depends on them like people with heart conditions.

The establishment wants you to be as dependent on them as possible. I cannot fucking understand how people advocate for voting away their own agency like with gun control and drugs. There are other ways to hedge against societal problems which preserve our rights, yet useful idiots are so quick to ban anything they don't like and have no respect for others! How the fuck is that considered progressive?!

I cannot take people seriously who use that term.

It isn't hoarding at all that they are worried about.

I don't know why you're being downvoted, unless people don't catch the sarcasm. Or, they are completely ignorant that this IS the way people are being portrayed.

Found the nazi

.They also disallow solar and make rainwater collection illegal.

LOL someone read their own links...

Walk around with a red swastika arm band chanting "blood and soil" - confirmed Nazi

It's like god damn, a white guy can't have any fun any more am I right?/s