nice catch.

biometrics are kinda foolish for security purposes. why? because it's public data, or can easily be made public data. meaning that you can't hide it. it's not a secret. this just means that the tech can be fooled at some point in its sequence if you can inject bad data into it. and as a general principle this is probably unavoidable.

I'd be interested to see what would happen if someone built a replica of their face in 3D but changed the retinas.

If only I had unlimited funds.

I'd buy a ton of land out in the middle of nowhere and build an exact scale replica of a WTC tower. Every detail accounted for. Then I'd buy a Boeing 767, fill it with fuel, and remote-control slam the jet into the 93rd floor at 540 miles per hour.

If I observe what we all saw that day, I'll delete my account and donate a billion dollars to the WTC museum fund of whatever the official narrative charity is.

Id start with an exact replica of the pyramids then move on to the towers .

I thought we can't replicate the pyramids 100%. I thought that was part of the mysterious nature of them.

Lmao yeah Burj Al Khalifa ezpz, pyramid though, no way!

lol no kidding. you could probably validate the ridiculousness of the purported model in a variety of ways that wouldn't require a to-scale model (which would have to be accurate in terms of how beth steel forged it, too!).

anyway back to the post subject, i reckon the reason the data points would cluster around the eye would be that, given its relative size, it doesn't change too much with different orientation/perspective. a learning alg would think it's a more accurate weighting and tend to retain it. prob could be said about other features that don't change much with perspective like ears.

It wouldn't work. It's not only using the 3-D data.

You could do it with very limited funds - just buy a reasonably realistic full face mask that clearly shows your eyes, set the account up and then get someone else to try on the mask. I'd be interested to hear the results.

For broad security purposes, yes. For a single device that doesn't share data, no.

For a single device that doesn't share data, no.

even more problematic if the device isn't wired to something. step1 - get your open data biometrics. step2 - inject it into the device via some hack. step3 - profit. the device can't call out for help.

biometrics are public keys masquerading as private ones.

The phone contains no hardware capable of imaging your retinas. The neural network has simply been trained to discriminate between non-attention and attention images.

No tech that they tell us about. I don't know what's inside the A11 bionic little black square. You can't open it, and even if you did smash it and put the guts under a magnifier, who's to say the tech would be identifiable as such?

The fact that when setting up Face ID, the eyes must be open, this fits with the hypothesis that it’s for security reasons, i.e. when sleeping

You may be right. I still don't trust it.

Fair enough

Face ID will be a total fail for Apple.

Why do you think that?

That’s what I’ve been saying since it was unveiled. It’s such a shitty way of unlocking as opposed to fingerprint ID.

Fingerprint ID doesn’t require you to look at your phone. You can use it when it’s lying on a table and in the dark/ low light environments.

IPhone X(tra Stupid)...

Face ID can be used in a pitch black room because there is an IR light source on the front...

I’ll need to see that to believe it, lol.

Although I know that’s what they claim.

I mean...... they advertise it..... And Samsung has the same technology....Of all the things that are happening in the world this is what you refuse to believe is within the realm of possibility? A years old technology that's being implemented by one of the largest companies in the world?

on a conspiracy forum too haha

In the context of iPhones and Apple, lol.

Who would it be? It's more secure than TouchID and much easier to use.

More secure, but hardly easier to use.

Why would it not be easier? TouchID required you to move your thumb onto the button, whereas FaceID just uses the scanner that's already pointed at your face. The most you'd have to do would be angling your phone more toward your face, which seems pretty equal in effort.

Because you have to actually look at the phone. I use my Touch ID as I’m pulling it out of my pocket and my phone is already unlocked as it gets to me.

I can unlock it while it’s sitting on the table without moving it.

I don’t see how it isn’t easier.

Yeah, because they've failed on so many things before. Apple control the demand for features, as they're incredibly clever with their marketing. A product or feature you never knew you wanted is suddenly desirable after a few months. They've proven it time and time again. Maybe not for everyone but for 90% of people.

Their share price tells you everything you need to know.

always wear your sunglasses at night!

So the real question is...

Does anyone own both the iPhone X and some colored contact lenses?

Excellent question

Retinal scanning from a front facing smartphone camera... You think the camera is that good?

Could be. Why not? What are the specs for the new iPhone front camera?

7 or 8 MP front camera. The thing that worries me is that the face ID isn't stored on phone. So where TF is it stored? iCloud? My ass if I'm storing my face on iCloud or anywhere else for that matter

The NSA's Utah data cen... I mean "the cloud". Don't worry. It's safe

Didn't they say it works just like the fingerprint scanner and saves the info locally on the phone? Could've swore I heard that...

Yes. They specifically said it’s all done “in house” aka on the device

I think they tech has been that good for a long time. Especially stuff that's issued to the military. Back in 2004 we were using shitty retina scanners the size of Canon DSLRs on the Bedouin tribespeople in Afghanistan and Iraq. And taking saliva samples for god knows why.

Public school and college ID photo companies now capture biometric data and sell it to the government anyway.

Look at the analogy used in one of the replies. not the best analogy, but you get the picture.

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darpa anyone? these ideas are old, probably since the 90s. moores law is gods gift to techno man in the past 20 years in my opinion. this stuff is real. skepticism is healthy, and conspiracies are fun to think about when it goes beyond the borders of the norm.

this is not beyond the scope of reality. this is today.

Craig said it on stage. The eyes are required so that no one can unlock your phone if you’re unconscious (in a coma, asleep) or unaware (not paying attention, etc. it’s to ensure that the phone is being unlocked with consent. Is not a retinal scanner.

Cool, that means the cops cant open your phone once your in cuffs or dead.

Hit that Home Button five times and I got you fam

This made me laugh

What if they just open your eyes for you and point the camera at your face?

I don’t associate with people like that.

Me neither.. the point is the security flaw.

TouchID works when you’re asleep. Bigger security flaw. TouchID can also be spoofed by law enforcement. Biggest security flaw.

I think this is going to end up being a huge fail for Apple somehow. All their shit isn't working. The new watch doesn't work for the MAIN reason it was invented, and now the iPhone 8 has some static when using the phone.

I doubt the face recognition will work well. There is no way they took they time to test this in all conditions with millions of people. I bet you will be hearing all kinds of storing of friends who look alike unlocking each others phones. Family members unlocking each other phones, etc.

I hope it does fail miserably

Hey OP, stop your thinking or it'll get your noticed.

It'll get my noticed what?

Hey OP, stop your thinking or it'll get your noticed.

This may just be so people can't unlock your phone if you are sleeping or dead.

You may be completely correct.

or dead.

Delete my history.....

I cant man... I cant...

people can't unlock your phone if you are sleeping or dead.

There is a simple way to defeat this.

This is honestly one of the most stupid things I've heard on this sub. As "someone who writes computer software", you have no understanding of what you're talking about.

Well aren't you just a little ray of sunshine

Doesn't change the fact that you're making baseless speculation.

Thank you for your opinion, sunshine.

It's not an "opinion", you provided no evidence for your claim.

It absolutely is an opinion, sunshine. It doesn't matter whether my claim is accompanied by evidence.

Cold. Killer. 101.

It does matter if you want other people to share agree your opinion. Without it you look nuts, sweety.

To agree my opinion?

An opinion without any reasoning whatsoever besides anecdotal opinion. Any reason you think that?

Religious people have an opinion that God exists. Atheists have an opinion that God doesn't exist. Neither are supported by anything other than belief.

An opinion can stand on its own just fine in the absence of any sort of evidence and any argument to the contrary is in opposition of the very definition of what an opinion is.

Theres a bit of history behind religion that gives it merit. If that concept had never existed any you suggested it today, it'd sound outrageous. Apple has never distributed the fingerprint data held on the phone. SEP has never been hacked. Theirs absolutely no reason to believe apple would be doing this.

Here in the UK we have biometrics on our passports, so the Gov already have that data. I don't think the iPhone X is taking retinal data though, I think it's just written into the software to only unlock once the eyes are open to prevent accidental unlocks.

If Apple wanted to do retina biometrics, why would they hide it? Is there some rule? If not this makes no sense. Surely they would just tell people and call it a feature.

That's a really good point.

I thought they said it was so you couldn't use the face of someone that is either unconscious or asleep. Saw a video a few weeks back saying it was a security feature.

I think it's really just part of the scan's security, no matter how much facial alteration surgery you get to change your appearance you can't change the distance between their pupils, we learned that in Minority Report.

The NSA's Utah data cen... I mean "the cloud". Don't worry. It's safe

Didn't they say it works just like the fingerprint scanner and saves the info locally on the phone? Could've swore I heard that...