Anti-Israel is not anti-semitism
214 2017-09-30 by mtrack1
I am tired of this, just look at the HOLOCAUST survivor being accused of anti- semitism for criticising Israel here is the link
214 2017-09-30 by mtrack1
I am tired of this, just look at the HOLOCAUST survivor being accused of anti- semitism for criticising Israel here is the link
94 comments
1 ENDLESSBLOCKADEZ 2017-09-30
Israel sux Alt right people terrified of ((())) suck too
1 bran_dong 2017-09-30
i dont think ill ever understand peoples obsession with Israel and what goes on over there. is it a religious thing?
1 gavypavl 2017-09-30
The only people who obsess over it are rabid Zionists who think they are better than everyone else because they truly believe they are gods chosen people.
1 bran_dong 2017-09-30
every religion believes they are gods chosen people. youd think if god has chosen a side they wouldve won by now.
1 NaveenMohamed 2017-09-30
2:111 "The Jews and Christians each claim that none will enter Paradise except those of their own faith. These are their desires. Reply, ˹O Prophet,˺ 'Show ˹me˺ your proof if what you say is true.'"
https://quran.com/2/111?translations=101
62:6 "Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ 'O Jews! If you claim to be Allah’s chosen ˹people˺ out of all humanity, then wish for death, if what you say is true.'
62:7 "But they will not wish for it, ever, because of what their hands have put forth. And Allah is Knowing of the wrongdoers.
62:8 "Say, 'Indeed, the death from which you flee - indeed, it will meet you. Then you will be returned to the Knower of the unseen and the witnessed, and He will inform you about what you used to do.'"
https://quran.com/62/6-8?translations=101
1 atomsej 2017-09-30
The dofference is that you can convert to other religions, to judaism not so much.
1 DriftingNeutrinos 2017-09-30
Don't people convert to Judaism all the time? Like for example if you want to marry a Jew but they want you to convert first?
Or is it one of those things where you can convert but you're still not really considered one of them?
1 stickerfinger 2017-09-30
The first one. Not the second.
It's actually interesting... Converts are some of the most highly respected and revered Jews. HOWEVER, during the actual process of conversion, there is little support or help from the community. Why? Because to convert is a huge choice and one must go through all the steps through his/her own conviction, not because they are being pushed too from the outside. If someone makes it through the entire conversion process, he or she is admired above others, i.e. Jews that are born into it.
1 atomsej 2017-09-30
i'm pretty sure you can only convert if you're accepted by the community...and there's a whole process, if those people weren't marrying jews they wouldn't be allowed to convert most likely, but in christianity all you have to do is accept jesus as your lord and savior and in islam all you have to say is the shahada
1 stickerfinger 2017-09-30
Not sure where you are getting this from. I know a number of individuals that converted to Judaism.
1 thehansenman 2017-09-30
Are you sure about that? People here seem pretty obsessed with Israel and the Jews but I'm pretty sure they aren't Zionists considering how they view Zionists.
1 cunolle 2017-09-30
just bible bullshit.
1 AspiringOligarch 2017-09-30
No. Theodor Herzl, David Ben-Gurion and many other prominent founding Zionists were atheists.
Zionism was (and is) a nationalist/racist movement. No religion required.
1 bran_dong 2017-09-30
i get that part, i just dont understand why so many people in America care.
1 iamtheCircus 2017-09-30
9/11 and the police state that came with it
1 Freonbarb 2017-09-30
Do 5 minutes of research and get back to us.
1 LurkPro3000 2017-09-30
Yes. It is a religious thing.
One of the most staunch supporters of Israel and Middle East wars that I know is a Christian evangelical woman. She apparently gets her ideas from the likes of Sid Roth and John Hagee. She says it is America's job to protect the Israelites because They are God's chosen people, and the wars associated with Zionism are ok because it has been predicted in the Revelations. She literally promotes war because she thinks Jesus will come at the end of it.
It's a sick perversion of Christianity led by money-loving Satanic TV evangelical preachers.
1 gavypavl 2017-09-30
Real Jews denounce the disgusting country that is Israeli
1 1618b 2017-09-30
thats it. they are loathing the thought of having to emigrate to israel, as it goes against the word of god
1 LupusRexVidar 2017-09-30
Word of God my ass
1 anthrolooksee 2017-09-30
"Real Jews"?
Don't get me wrong, I agree that anti-Israel is not antisemitic. But no one gets to say what a "real Jew" is. The tide is slowly turning, I believe. Almost all of the younger generation of Jews I know are opposed to Israeli statehood and are appalled with Israeli actions. Hopefully, with time this sentiment will continue to grow and lead to proper action here.
1 flugledorf 2017-09-30
Until good Jews stand up against bad Jews, there aren't any good Jews. I think that's more fair.
1 TensorBread 2017-09-30
Well if you are curious the Arabic words for Jews makes a better distinction.
Bani-Israel = Children of Israel, can be zionist, atheist, ect. This refers to the 12 tribes of Israel not necessarily their religion.
Yahood = Those that follow the religion of Judaism, the religion of Moses. Regardless of their race.
1 anthrolooksee 2017-09-30
And you define what a good Jew is? Yeah, that's not how any of this works.
1 flugledorf 2017-09-30
Dude. Seriously? Goodness is goodness. Badness is badness. People with souls know the difference.
If you need categories: usury=bad; genocide=bad; nepotism=bad, etc. Until the Jews who can see that stand up against the Jews who do not, then, by empirical logic, there are no good Jews.
1 anthrolooksee 2017-09-30
Dude, the same applies to all humans. Under that premise, there is no good human because everyone is not doing everything they can to stop everything bad that is happening. There surely is no good American because we cannot stop the evil people running our govt from killing people in other parts of the world. And I guess until all men stand up against rape, there is no good man? And all white people are bad because we aren't hunting down White Supremacist?
It's delusional to think that applies to one group of people and not yourself, whatever 'group' you belong to. You personally have no more control over the morality of your own government than any Jew does so quit your bitching. Your time would be better served focusing on your own moral standing than on those of people you don't know.
1 flugledorf 2017-09-30
Exactly. Of course it applies to all people. Until good cops stand up against bad cops, then there are no good cops. Until good white people stand up against bad white peole, then there are not good white people. Until good Christians stand up against bad Christians, then there are no good Christians. Almost every group and people in the entire world, barring Jews, understands this and does it because it is right. Only one religion/group has an entire "don't mention our crimes" industry in the form of the ADL; media perversion allowed by ownership; etc, and that's Jews.
I cannot believe that you can't see this. It's things like this that make me think that some Jews, perhaps even most (of the Ashkenazim) Jews, literally do not have souls. It's the only thing that can explain your blindness to all things good.
1 anthrolooksee 2017-09-30
Wow dude, I did not know you know every Jew in existence! How utterly remarkable!
You carry a hell of a lot of bs blanket assumptions about people of which you clearly don't even know. What on earth makes you think that every Jew is in favor of Israel?! And Please tell me how they are supposed to singlehandedly stop Israel? Please tell me what some Jewish person in small town USA is supposed to personally do to stop Israel outside of boycotting Israeli products, speaking out against Israel and the atrocities they commit, and boycotting the paidfor trip to Israel? I would love to know what more they should be doing in your bs opinion that would then make them "acceptable Jews". I get the impression there is no such thing in your world.
Everything you have said thus far is groundless and biased opinion of people you don't know. Because if you did, you would know exactly how disturbingly wrong you are in such bs blanket assumptions.
By the way, I'm not Jewish what so ever. I just have common sense and shitload of Jewish friends who are utterly opposed to Israel that some of them have been disowned by their own family over it.
Now, what are you personally doing to stop your government from killing innocent people in other countries? because I got bad news for you... it's not enough, you morally bankrupt, soulless creature.
1 stickerfinger 2017-09-30
https://ifnotnowmovement.org/
1 flugledorf 2017-09-30
Until good Jews stand up against bad jews, there really aren't good jews.
1 liverpoolwin 2017-09-30
Originally the Zionist state was planned for either Uganda or Argentina, but then the plan changed
1 SokarRostau 2017-09-30
Three was also a plan to carve a Jewish state out of Northwestern Australia.
1 cunolle 2017-09-30
lol tourists die every other week in the Pilbara. Plus the aboriginals would kill any jews that come try settle here.
1 vatosplace 2017-09-30
Argentina would have been awkward, with all the Nazis that fled there after ww2.
1 AspiringOligarch 2017-09-30
The Zionist plan for a Jewish state (possibly in Argentina) was hatched by Theodor Herzl in 1896. Hitler was 8 years old, and the Nazi Party wasn't formed until 1920.
Nazism died in 1946, yet Zionim is stronger than ever.
1 ZombieRightsActivist 2017-09-30
Nazism died in 1946? Do you really believe that? It seems to be alive and quite healthy.
1 AspiringOligarch 2017-09-30
Yes, as I said above, Zionism is stronger than ever, and you'd be hard pressed to find any significant political movement, let alone a functioning State, whose philosophy, policies and practices are more closely aligned with pre-1939 Nazism.
Israel was founded on a philosophy of ethnic exclusivity and racism, brutally mistreats and oppresses those who are not in the 'special' group, driving out undesirable outsiders; has created and enforces laws that favor in-group members; is extremely militaristic and expansionist under the guise of security and 'lebensraum', and is aggressively hostile toward its neighbors.
In fact, the main difference I see between Zionism and pre-1939 Nazism is that the latter was anti-Jewish, while the former is Jewish.
So yes, Nazism is alive and well in Israel. Just under a different name.
1 ZombieRightsActivist 2017-09-30
Is it alive in Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Gaza? Jews and Christians have all been forced out or exterminated in these areas.
1 AspiringOligarch 2017-09-30
I laid out my case for comparing Nazi ideology and behavior to that of Israel above.
If you would like to claim that those you listed above, I suggest you make your case. Good luck.
And given that you included Gaza on your list, it looks like you'll need all the luck you can get.
1 WotansWolves 2017-09-30
Germans never called themselves Nazi's. That is a Eastern European term meaning "peasent". A Jewish German Report named kurt tucholsky used in 1935 to slander the fascists Brown Shirts (Sturmabteilung) After defeating the communist Red Front fighters league (Rotfrontkämpferbund) during "the night of the long knives".
1 Dzugavili 2017-09-30
I assume by Eastern European, you mean Slavic. In which case, you're wrong. It's derived from a German name, more or less calling them "Billy-Bob".
In either case, I don't particularly care what Nazis call themselves. Billy-Bob seems appropriate, given their modern demographics of genetic rejects
1 WotansWolves 2017-09-30
Not from what I read, but it gets my point across all the same. That the NatSoc's never called themselves Nazi's. I also feel the same way about "They" Bolshevik Communist, The worst in relative history humanity has seen.
1 Dzugavili 2017-09-30
Nazis have a special place in my heart, in which they could be raped to death by pigs and I'd have more concern for the pigs' mental wellbeing.
Something about them targeting my grandparents for extermination. I don't know. Doesn't really sit well with me.
1 WotansWolves 2017-09-30
Yeah that's how I feel about "They" killing well over 45 million from the Bolshevik Revolution, Holomodor Holocaust, Armenia, and others.
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
bullshit, see above.
1 iamtheCircus 2017-09-30
I think it's funny that Jews look so similar to each other. But not surprising since so many of them like diddlying their own children
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
And again, no. i mean the rest from /u/WotansWolves is also complete bullshit but Nazi quite literally means Nationalsozialist. Just like socialist are called sozi. For some absurd reasons US americans seem to be unable to get this concept. GOP is probably also some common family name in the south, or? Like Billy-Bob.
1 WotansWolves 2017-09-30
No you're wrong Ernest Rohm was apart of the SA but was a massive supporter of Communism. The reason why him and 85 others were dealt with. As for the word Nazi it was used in the 20th century but not by the German NatSoc's
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
1) Ernst 2) He was not a part but the leader 3) They were not dealt with it was a purge of all the old militia/streetfighting members. 4) see above - goebbels himself used nazi. NatSoc makes absolutely no sense in german.
With all the knowledge a click away why do you decide to stay uneducated? It pisses me off that someone would willingly decide not to invest 5 minutes but rather spend hours posting fake information.
1 WotansWolves 2017-09-30
No, I have. I've done the research and nothing you have brought forth proves anything to me. Next your going to tell me that Anne Frank diary wasn't finished by Meyer Levin (a New York Screen Writer)and Otto Frank didn't have to pay him 50k. After a court's decision awarding him it. Or that the Jews Didn't systematically create and operate in majority the Bolshevik communist revolution.
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
What should i prove? That you didn't know the year, the reason or the name of the purge?
In two posts you've shown that you have absolutely no clue about German history or language and are not willing to learn facts. and failing these basic requirements there is simply no use talking to you - you have your story and fuck history or truth.
PS:>Or that the Jews Didn't systematically create and operate in majority the Bolshevik communist revolution.
if you mean the novemberrevolution: you do actually know that Ludendorff proposed the plan to send them to russia, or? and that germany gave the bolsheviki rather amssive amounts of money?
and no, it wasn't jews... but what do you care, you won#t read anyway.
1 WotansWolves 2017-09-30
David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution." The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." "The Bolshevik Revolution," declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920, "was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."In the Communist seizure of power in Russia, the Jewish role was probably critical. Two weeks prior to the Bolshevik "October Revolution" of 1917, Lenin convened a top secret meeting in St. Petersburg (Petrograd) at which the key leaders of the Bolshevik party's Central Committee made the fateful decision to seize power in a violent takeover. Of the twelve persons who took part in this decisive gathering, there were four Russians (including Lenin), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and six Jews. To direct the takeover, a seven-man "Political Bureau" was chosen. It consisted of two Russians (Lenin and Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), and four Jews (Trotsky, Sokolnikov, Zinoviev, and Kamenev). Meanwhile, the Petersburg (Petrograd) Soviet -- whose chairman was Trotsky -- established an 18-member "Military Revolutionary Committee" to actually carry out the seizure of power. It included eight (or nine) Russians, one Ukrainian, one Pole, one Caucasian, and six Jews. Finally, to supervise the organization of the uprising, the Bolshevik Central Committee established a five-man "Revolutionary Military Center" as the Party's operations command. It consisted of one Russian (Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and two Jews (Sverdlov and Uritsky).
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
nice copy-pasta which only shows again the vanity in your close minded world view. Do you define jews on race or religion?
(and were the jews bourgeois or bolshevik?)
1 WotansWolves 2017-09-30
Yeah i copied that, why wouldn't anyone. It's quotes and names of Jews. That created the most ruthless ideology ever. Which type of Hebrews? Ashkenazi are not Hebrew they are Khazars that became chose the Hebrew religion. Both Bourgeois and Bolshevik were Jewish. Capitalism and Communism is just the flip side of a coin.
1 WotansWolves 2017-09-30
The Soviet government, or "Council of People's Commissars' (also known as the "Sovnarkom") was made up of the following, Wilton reported: Peoples Commissariat (Ministry) Name Nationality Chairman V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian Foreign Affairs G.V. Chicherin Russian Nationalities J. Dzhugashvili [Stalin] Georgian Agriculture Protian Armenian Economic Council Lourie (Larin) Jew Food Supply A.G. Schlikhter Jew Army and Navy [Military] L.D. Bronstein (Trotski) Jew State Control K.I. Lander Jew State Lands Kaufmann Jew Works [Labor] V. Schmidt Jew Social Relief E. Lilina (Knigissen) Jew Education A. Lunacharsky Russian Religion Spitzberg Jew Interior Apfelbaum [Radomyslski] (Zinoviev) Jew .Hygiene Anvelt Jew Finance I. E. Gukovs [and G. Sokolnikov] Jew Press Voldarski [Goldstein] Jew Elections M.S. Uritsky Jew Justice I.Z. Shteinberg Jew Refugees Fenigstein Jew Refugees Savitch (Assistant) Jew Refugees Zaslovski (Assistant) Jew Out of these 22 "Sovnarkom" members, Wilton summed'up, there were three Russians, one Georgian, one Armenian, and 17 Jews. The Central Executive Committee, Wilton continues, was made up of the following members: Y. M. Sverdlov [Solomon] (Chairman) Jew Avanesov (Secretary) Armenian Bruno Latvian Breslau Latvian [?] Babtchinski Jew N. I. Bukharin Russian Weinberg Jew Gailiss Jew Ganzberg [Ganzburg ] Jew Danichevski Jew Starck German Sachs Jew Scheinmann Jew Erdling Jew Landauer Jew Linder Jew Wolach Czech S. Dimanshtein Jew Encukidze Georgian Ermann Jew A. A. Ioffe Jew Karkhline Jew Knigissen Jew Rosenfeld (Kamenev) Jew Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) Jew N. Krylenko Russian Krassikov Jew Kaprik Jew Kaoul Latvian Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian Latsis Jew Lander Jew Lunacharsky Russian Peterson Latvian Peters Latvian Roudzoutas Jew Rosine Jew Smidovitch Jew Stoutchka Latvian Nakhamkes (Steklov) Jew Sosnovski Jew Skrytnik Jew L. Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew Teodorovitch Jew [?] Terian Armenian Uritsky Jew Telechkine Russian Feldmann Jew Fromkin Jew Souriupa Ukrainian Tchavtchevadze Georgian Scheikmann Jew Rosental Jew Achkinazi Imeretian [?] Karakhane Karaim [Karaite] Rose Jew Sobelson (Radek) Jew Schlichter Jew Schikolini Jew Chklianski Jew Levine-(Pravdine) Jew Thus, concluded Wilton, out of 61 members, five were Russians, six were Latvians, one was a German, two were Armenians, one was a Czech, one was an Imeretian, two were Georgians, one was a Karaim, one. was a Ukrainian, and 41 were Jews. The Extraordinary Commission of Moscow (Cheka) 'the Soviet secret police and predecessor of the GPU, the NKVD and the KGB was made up of the following: F. Dzerzhinsky (Chairman) Pole Y. Peters (Deputy Chairman) Latvian Chklovski Jew Kheifiss Jew Zeistine Jew Razmirovitch Jew Kronberg Jew Khaikina Jew Karlson Latvian Schaumann Latvian Leontovitch Jew Jacob Goldine Jew Galperstein Jew Kniggisen Jew Katzis Latvian Schillenkuss Jew Janson Latvian Rivkine Jew Antonof Russian Delafabre Jew Tsitkine Jew Roskirovitch Jew G. Sverdlov (Brother of president of the Central Executive Committee) Jew Biesenski Jew J. Blumkin (Count Mirbach's assassin) Jew Alexandrovitch (Blumkin's accomplice) Russian I. Model Jew Routenberg Jew Pines Jew Sachs Jew Daybol Latvian Saissoune Armenian Deylkenen Latvian Liebert Jew Vogel German Zakiss Latvian Of these 36 Cheka officials, one was a Pole, one a German, one an Armenian, two were Russians, eight were Latvians, and 23 were Jews. "Accordingly," Wilton sums up, "there is no reason to be surprised at the preponderant role of Jews in the assassination of the Imperial family. It is rather the opposite that would have been surprising.""The 62 members of the [Central] Committee were composed of five Russians, one Ukrainian, six Letts [Latvians], two Germans, one Czech, two Armenians, three Georgians, one Karaim [Karaite] (a Jewish sect), and 41 Jews. "The Extraordinary Commission [Cheka or Vecheka] of Moscow was composed of 36 members, including one German, one Pole, one Armenian, two Russians, eight Latvians, and 23 Jews. "The Council of the People's Commissars [the Soviet .government] numbered two Armenians, three Russians, and 17 Jews. "Ac.cording to data furnished by the Soviet press, out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik state, including the above-mentioned, in 1918-1919 there were: 17 Russians, two Ukrainians, eleven Armenians, 35 Letts [Latvians], 15 Germans, one Hungarian, ten Georgians, three Poles, three Finns, one Czech, one Karaim, and 457 Jews." "If the reader is astonished to find the Jewish hand everywhere in the affair of the assassination of the Russian Imperial family, he must bear in mind the formidable numerical preponderance of Jews in the Soviet administration," Wilton went on to write. Effective governmental power, Wilton continued (on pages 136-138 of the same edition) is in the Central Committee of the Bolshevik party. In 1918, he reported, this body had twelve members, of whom nine were of Jewish origin, and three were of Russian ancestry. The nine Jews were: Bronstein (Trotsky), Apfelbaum (Zinoviev), Lurie (Larine), Uritsky, Volodarski, Rosenfeld (Kamenev), Smidovich, Sverdlov (Yankel), and Nakhamkes (Steklov). The three Russians were: Ulyanov (Lenin), Krylenko, and Lunacharsky. "The other Russian Socialist parties are similar in composition," Wilton went on. "Their Central Committees are made up as follows:" Mensheviks (Social Democrats): Eleven members, all of whom are Jewish. Communists of the People: Six members, of whom five are Jews and one is a Russian. Social Revolutionaries (Right Wing): Fifteen members, of whom 13 are Jews and two are Russians (Kerenski, who may be of Jewish origin, and Tchaikovski). Social Revolutionaries (Left Wing): Twelve members, of whom ten are Jews and two are Russians. Committee of the Anarchists of Moscow: Five members, of whom four are Jews and one is a Russian. Polish Communist Party: Twelve members, all of whom are Jews, including Sobelson (Radek), Krokhenal (Zagonski), and Schwartz (Goltz). "These parties," commented Wilton, "in appearance opposed to the Bolsheviks, play the Bolsheviks' game on the sly, more or less, by preventing the Russians from pulling themselves together. Out of 61 individuals at the head of these parties, there are six Russians and 55 Jews. No matter what may be the name adopted, a revolutionary government will be Jewish."
1 WotansWolves 2017-09-30
To direct the takeover, a seven-man "Political Bureau" was chosen. It consisted of two Russians (Lenin and Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), and four Jews (Trotsky, Sokolnikov, Zinoviev, and Kamenev). Meanwhile, the Petersburg (Petrograd) Soviet -- whose chairman was Trotsky -- established an 18-member "Military Revolutionary Committee" to actually carry out the seizure of power. It included eight (or nine) Russians, one Ukrainian, one Pole, one Caucasian, and six Jews. Finally, to supervise the organization of the uprising, the Bolshevik Central Committee established a five-man "Revolutionary Military Center" as the Party's operations command. It consisted of one Russian (Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and two Jews (Sverdlov and Uritsky).Two weeks prior to the Bolshevik "October Revolution" of 1917, Lenin convened a top secret meeting in St. Petersburg (Petrograd) at which the key leaders of the Bolshevik party's Central Committee made the fateful decision to seize power in a violent takeover. Of the twelve persons who took part in this decisive gathering, there were four Russians (including Lenin), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and six Jews.
In the Communist seizure of power in Russia, the Jewish role was probably critical. Two weeks prior to the Bolshevik "October Revolution" of 1917, Lenin convened a top secret meeting in St. Petersburg (Petrograd) at which the key leaders of the Bolshevik party's Central Committee made the fateful decision to seize power in a violent takeover. Of the twelve persons who took part in this decisive gathering, there were four Russians (including Lenin), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and six Jews. To direct the takeover, a seven-man "Political Bureau" was chosen. It consisted of two Russians (Lenin and Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), and four Jews (Trotsky, Sokolnikov, Zinoviev, and Kamenev). Meanwhile, the Petersburg (Petrograd) Soviet -- whose chairman was Trotsky -- established an 18-member "Military Revolutionary Committee" to actually carry out the seizure of power. It included eight (or nine) Russians, one Ukrainian, one Pole, one Caucasian, and six Jews. Finally, to supervise the organization of the uprising, the Bolshevik Central Committee established a five-man "Revolutionary Military Center" as the Party's operations command. It consisted of one Russian (Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and two Jews (Sverdlov and Uritsky).
1 Dzugavili 2017-09-30
You know, I thought so do. That was what I always heard.
But apparently the term was a derisive one, derived from a common name in Bavaria, which was reimported. It is a play on the acronym though, hence why it took internationally.
Here's a video on the subject.
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
yeah, but no. Otherwise Goebbels himself wouldn't have used Nazi to describe the NSDAP
1 Dzugavili 2017-09-30
I actually can't find any Goebbels quote where he uses the word Nazi at all.
Then again, it's kind of hard to find a Goebbels quote that doesn't make you want to puke in your own mouth.
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
https://ia800205.us.archive.org/19/items/GoebbelsJoseph-DerNazi-sozi-FragenUndAntwortenFuerDen/GoebbelsJoseph-DerNazi-sozi-FragenUndAntwortenFuerDenNationalsozialisten193225S.ScanFraktur.pdf
1 Dzugavili 2017-09-30
Huh. So it is.
I wonder if he was being clever. I can't find "9to6" again in the document.
[not kidding, the character set lists the German characters for Nazi as "9to6"]
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
You wouldn't find "GOP" either in a document of the republican party. Yeah, nazi is slightly diminishing (just like sozi would be) but that doesn't mean that it isn't (wasn't) the most common way to describe yourself as nationalsozialist.
Today is also the first tiem that I heard this theory and I live in Austria and read quite a lot about the NSDAP and the 3rd Reich - no native german speaker would have a problem with it or use abrevations like "NatSoc"..
PS: old typeset, called Fraktur.
1 Dzugavili 2017-09-30
How is Austria these days? I spent a month or two there, pre-9/11.
Like much of the 90s, I suspect everything was a little grimier.
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
ß would be sz, ss is still normal ;)
It was,.. the change was well not due to 9/11 but we had a shift to the right while on the other hand getting used to a more "liberal" society. Still one of the rather wealthy and lazy places in the world.
1 phyrros 2017-09-30
jesus, where did you get this bullshit? nazi as a word is around since the beginning of the 20th century... and nazis used the word for themselve, see e.g. https://archive.org/details/GoebbelsJoseph-DerNazi-sozi-FragenUndAntwortenFuerDen
Furthermore is "the night of the long knives" the night where the leaders of the Brown Shirts (SA, Röhm putsch) where killed and not the RFB. And it was 1934 and not 1935.
How can anyone be so completly uneducated while carrying the nick "WotansWolves"? And still there are probably people which belive you -.-
1 Novusod 2017-09-30
The most serious alternative was the island Madagascar. At the time in the early 20th century it was sparely populated and owned by the French.
1 AspiringOligarch 2017-09-30
Hey OP, Did you mean to include a link with your post?
1 mtrack1 2017-09-30
Ah yes sorry here it is holocaust survivors speech censored
1 AspiringOligarch 2017-09-30
Add the link to your headline. It's a self-post, so you can edit and insert the link.
1 bcschewe 2017-09-30
I agree with the premise, and there are plenty of people on this sub who are anti-Israel, and truly not anti-Semitic, but let's not pretend that there isn't also a large group of people on /r/conspiracy who's anti-Israel is rooted in anti-Semitism and nothing else.
Do you believe there's a global Jewish conspiracy? Okay, sure. Do you think that every Jewish person is implicated in it? You're probably anti-Semitic.
1 anthrolooksee 2017-09-30
Came to say this. Thanks.
1 iamtheCircus 2017-09-30
It's like saying most people only hate Charles Manson bc they have an anti Charles Manson condition
1 fowuhhmcoe 2017-09-30
Do you know the fable of the scorpion and the frog?
1 fowuhhmcoe 2017-09-30
Do you know the fable of the scorpion and the frog?
1 thehansenman 2017-09-30
That went from 0 to full blown antisemitism real quick. Not sure what point you want to get across with it though.
1 Ducttapehamster 2017-09-30
Yeah. I can say that I disagree with what Isreal is doing and that's not anti-Semitic but IMO as soon as you bring in the term "Zionist" generally it starts getting pretty anti-Semitic. Sure you can say it in its true meaning but the vast majority of the users on this sub use it in a deragatory way
1 Freonbarb 2017-09-30
I'm not pretending and I've not seen this group.
1 hksara47 2017-09-30
Any criticism of jews whatsoever = antisemitism and must be shut down.
1 iceberg_sweats 2017-09-30
But Semites are defined as anyone of Jewish or Arab descent. Israel is the most antisemitic nation on Earth
1 outbackdude 2017-09-30
Your logic is powerless here.
1 fuckingshitman11 2017-09-30
(Parenthesis) are racist now.
1 TensorBread 2017-09-30
Unless you are a Muslim then you say the most anti-Semitic things and if anyone says something just explain that Arabs are Semitic people and the Jews are killing them therefore the Jews are anti-Semitic.
So I urge anyone who opposes the shenanigans of the Jews to convert to Islam.
1 BanMikePantsNow 2017-09-30
Any criticism of Israel or its supporters is automatically antisemitic. We even organizations, like the SPLC and ADL, to ensure all exposure Jewish criminality is suppressed.
1 iamtheCircus 2017-09-30
Get the fuck out of Palestine. I honestly wouldn't give a shit but you faked plane attacks on 9/11 and used my tax money to kill Muslims for the expansion of Israel. Now I really fucking care. Fuck all Zionists and all their bitch ass shills
1 _____42_____ 2017-09-30
How did 9/11 cause the expansion of Israel?
1 iamtheCircus 2017-09-30
the American military was used to overthrow any Middle eastern country capible of interfering with the expansion of Israel. So 9/11 was needed to trick the American tax payer into paying for Israeli expansion
1 DancesWithPugs 2017-09-30
Europeans beating, robbing, and killing Palestinians is as anti-semitic as it gets.
1 LupusRexVidar 2017-09-30
Sigh, they are not European.
1 RamblinRambo3 2017-09-30
If you're not anti Jew then you're just sleepwalking.
1 stickerfinger 2017-09-30
que?
1 lord_empty 2017-09-30
Wtf?
1 godiebiel 2017-09-30
Jews can be self hating anti semites too !!
1 zenmasterzen3 2017-09-30
An antisemite is a person a Jew doesn't like.
So of course a "holocaust" survivor can be an antisemite if another Jew doesn't like them.
Israel did 911. Never forget.
1 CampingChair 2017-09-30
Greater Khazaria is not Iarael.
1 psy_raven 2017-09-30
I got nothing against Jews but at this point, Jews are not Jews anymore and just use the name or anti-semitism to advance their leftist agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4
1 astralrocker2001 2017-09-30
Most Israeli's are not even Semites. They are Khazars.
http://www.expose1933.com/53-khazar-empire-the-false-jew.html
1 InfectedBananas 2017-09-30
The anti-semitism I see around is accusing anyone who is jewish to be doing something evil or because they are jewish it is somehow proof they are likely guilty of something bad.
comments like "of course he's also jewish" and the general labeling of anyone jewish or simply looks jewish is common place.
1 fuckingshitman11 2017-09-30
Obviously there are tons of idiots that conflate actual Judaism and random Jewish people with conspiracies but you're making a logical fallacy.
According to you we shouldn't point out that someone is a free mason because that is anti-mason. There are fraternal groups among the wealthiest of people and it's no surprise when you see certain behavior coming from wealthy Jewish people, because they may have ties to families like the Rothschilds.
Both google and Facebook are run by Jews? I have no idea whether that is a coincidence or maybe something more sinister. and I don't think it's fair to call someone an antisemite for pointing that out especially when I have qualified that I don't thin that it really has anything to do with actual Judaism.
Part of being a conspiracy theorist is, naturally, identifying patterns. Ofc we need to be aware that correlation does not always equal causation but then again, where there is smoke there often is fire. It's a fine line and many get swept into paranoia and bigotry but as long as someone is careful there is nothing wrong with pointing out someone's affiliations.
1 Jadehelm522 2017-09-30
And anti sharia law isn't anti-muslim
1 HeyLetsThinkAbout 2017-09-30
Thats correct
1 TheHidden308 2017-09-30
I am a Christian I am pro-Israel, pro-Jews, but anti-zionist. Israel does not need to expand than keep the land which God promised them no more no less
1 Zeteo9 2017-09-30
Real Holocaust: Bombing of Dresden WWII. It claims 50k people died, however, 90% of the city was flattened...look up "Dresden population 1945" and do some math. The city was harboring refugees.
1 WisperingPenis 2017-09-30
Hi, Colin Powell, nice to see you here again!
1 robowriter 2017-09-30
Well guess who owns the media and in most people's mind what the media says rings true.
"You can't call such-and-such actor Jewish how dare you anti-semitic. Israel anti-semitic. Phony virtue signalling anti-semitic. You must condemn historical figures our story version best even though you weren't born yet. How dare you say feminism is perpetuated mainly by lesbians who were secular Jews. How dare you criticize George Soros for funding black bloc ops."
It's all part of the mind fuck.