Good post OP.

Also, going back to historical Puerto Rico conspiracy, this is rumored to be where the main US affiliated UFO base is. There are tons of UFO and USO sightings around that little island.

Prolly not related, just throwing it out there while on the subject.

I would really like to know what the truth is right now. OP is on point, the volume of disinfo around this is really suspicious.

I don't disagree with you in general, but this does not sufficiently explain the level of disinfo here, at least not for me.

So... it's all Trump's fault, not decades of corruption by local officials? Got it.

Don't put words in my mouth.

It's culmination of several things long before Trump existed, it's cowardly and/or greedy government officials in Puerto Rico much like the ones in Central and South America rolling over for big corporations and powerful western financial interest targeting the large amounts of both human and natural resources in that part of the world and its wars against the middle class citizens of those nations to keep the resources of the homeland for themselves as well as fighting cruel and vicious working and living conditions at the time.

It's a story that has been played out many times not only in that region, but in Africa and Middle East as well as the Central Asia caucuses region. The brutal tactics of the West looking out for profits rather then people, OP only posted a segment of that brutal history.

This is going to be the next Haiti. I think maybe it had more in common with Haiti than we can see at this time.

But ya, ruining millions of lives just to push new tax legislation, sure.

Sure I did. I just distilled it down to the primary talking point for the rest of the class.

Look, I'm not here to shit on your post. But the conspiracy is why all the partisan astroturf on the subject. I don't think it is deliberate here, I think you're just sucking up all the propaganda, same as everyone else.

But over here I think I see someone with a better explanation for what is going on in Puerto Rico:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/73mxbd/the_arguing_about_puerto_rico_is_for_one_reason/

Marxism destroyed their economy, not Wall St.

So there are no Marxist politicians at all on the island? Blatant lies like that do nobody any favours.

I was listening to the radio in Spanish yesterday and they mentioned something about tourism. Like having American companies and stuff like that do tourism.

I thought there had been a long running manufacturing subsidy that brought tons of jobs to the rural parts of PR and kept a lot of the youth around, but it lapsed and the youth got the fuck out. In response to the loss of tax payers to help the now elderly impoverished that live in rural PR voted straight liberal democrat to raise taxes...but on whom? Well whatever working idiot that stuck around...so they left too and now they are totally ducked.

Harvest of Empire

https://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Empire-History-Latinos-America/dp/0143119281

Have you personally read the book? If so, what was your opinion?

I've read sections of this book for a paper. I watched the movie with the class. I thought it was well done.

So you are implicitly recommending people read a book you did not even find worthy of reading in full yourself. This is odd to me, but perhaps I am old-fashioned.

Reading the entirety of anything is, unfortunately, old-fashioned

This is true. I am still perplexed by the number of people, even on this sub, who have not honestly read Brave New World or 1984 in full. Is it that hard to sit and silence and read for a few hours? Yes, yes it, apparently.

IMO brave new world is pointless. 1984 is infinitely more important and more well written. BNW is just set in a shitty dystopian future and the shock value of the shittyness/hedonism of it distracts from its lack of a good plot or any worthwhile ideas. I think it's the opposite of 1984 in the dystopian genre. Ayn Rand is the only person who has written anything in the dystopian genre worth reading outside of 1984

The opioid epidemic is just one modern parallel of Brave New World. Brave New World is so much deeper and more complex and interesting than 1984, in my opinion. Here is another take on its superiority: http://www.businessinsider.com/brave-new-world-predicts-biohacking-future-michael-bess-2017-9

Predicting drug addiction as technology allows for quicker manufacturing and distribution isn't profound it's just obvious. Also the way people were allowed to take it freely for fun is actually completely wrong if it's a prediction because the war on drugs is what actually happened and is an even bigger threat to freedom. Also gene altering is a thing now but it would be a huge jump from that to farming babies and eliminating parenthood as all children are raised in an intense brainwashing facility with no family connections. Saying BNW predicted biohacking is kinda true but it's no where near BNW like and would have to get really sinister for it to be an accurate prediction as it plays out.

The "book within then book" in 1984 where Orwell basically breaks down how to create that kind of society is the most important thing ever written other than religious/government stuff. Anyone who thinks BNW is more important or complex either forgot about that part or didn't understand it's significance and accuracy

I'm going to agree to disagree, but I admire your conviction.

Brave New World is so much deeper and more complex and interesting than 1984

Only if people bother to actually read it. This may be the wrong sub ;)

IMO brave new world is pointless.

Have you ever considered the potential parallel between the intentional dumbing down of the 'epsilon' caste, and what we see today with mass 'education', prenatal ultrasound, and 'childrens (TV) programming'?

It's just way too far a leap from the extreme of BNW. Plus doing something explicitly isn't the same as doing it deceptively, even if it's trying to do the same thing. 1984 captured the way the state brainwashes and deceives people into not seeing their evils, like real life. BNW has a society where everyone knows what's explicitly going on but doesn't care. That's not how the current world is and unless things change very drastically that part of BNW will make it out of touch

It's just way too far a leap

What is?

Saying that modern education and TV are like the explicit brainwashing in BNW. It's a lot more subtle and less aggressive

It's a lot more subtle and less aggressive

Are you joking?

Have you read the book? IIRC they basically torture the kids into submission

I was recommending the movie and citing the book as it is its source.

Harvest of Empire

Thank you for the link. One does not have to "read the entire book" to learn something valuable, or to be drawn to then watch a film adaption and gain useful, pertinent understanding.

This "kids these days don't even read" diatribe is nonsense. Reddit is reading. Blogs are reading, Newspapers online. The entire world at our fingertips and still, some people are complaining that pencil use is not what it used to be.

Learning is learning. Thanks again for the link. I'll go read it. (you may or may not be surprised what all is available on Google Books.) I have an entire library of woodworking encyclopedias from the last century that I downloaded and burned to disc. I use it as reference when working on old furniture and housing carpentry. I sure as hell won't find that down at the Barnes & Noble.

I gotta push back on that. It's not that kids aren't physically reading enough, they're reading two sentence social media all day. The thing about reading a book is the attention span it requires.

Or rather the attention span it induces. I start many books and do not finish them.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/420789.That_Dark_and_Bloody_River will keep your attention - 600+ pages of horror.

I heard this Podcast a few months ago. It's a good overview of how Wallstreet worked with corrupt politicians to enslave the Island in debit.

Wow, some truly incredible stuff here. Thanks OP !!

I am shocked the bots didn't get to you.

Having family from PR, I know more than the avg American on it. So, I'm going to skip reading the above posts initially to ask what you mean in this post. Why is this disaster being badly handled? Lots of US govt involvement in the island in form of suppression, military bases, former nuclear reactors that had to be filled with cement, tons of shit. Lots of weird shit and definitely has the CIA there in the past, at least.

I asked a friend (Puerto Rican) if he planned on retiring there and he said: "hell no, most people there die of cancer."

I concur entirely. There has been a massive brain drain on the island, the youth that do stay have a huge per capita of drug abuse.

Wait, you neglected to mention the biggest conspiracy from Puerto Rico......there are actually Chupacabras running around all over the island but nobody believes it.

Puerto Rico is controlled by two layers of groups, the island-based, old slave-owning oligarchy, and above them is Uncle Sam, who protects the former while simultaneously barking orders to them--its an extremely unequal, frankly, parasitic, relationship, but somebody's gotta do it, otherwise it would a colony--which no one seriously contests it is--now would it?

Thank you for this!

Great post! I knew nothing about this.

my friend is from ponce

Yeah that sucks. America is pretty brutal.

https://waragainstallpuertoricans.com/

I'm going to agree to disagree, but I admire your conviction.

I concur entirely. There has been a massive brain drain on the island, the youth that do stay have a huge per capita of drug abuse.