Arent fully automatic weapons super illegal? How would one even get one here?

I believe he was being sarcastic

I understand dude, it's much too early for the sarcasm, the shooters are still on the loose as I write this. If anyone believes it to mean something, I'd suggest a little prayer so the real perpetrators are identified and face justice.

you can be sure the instruments will be having dirt naps shortly, in any case.

And this is how I know nothing will actually change. Just pray for it to get better.

You can always change yourself.

The unfortunate thing is that they people seem to be trained and actually good shots. In both of those circumstances the perps were awful shots and in the bank robbery one basically complete morons and did everything wrong. These guys seem trained and coordinated.

Those back robbers, if I'm thinking of the same instance as you, had the advantage of having significantly superior firepower and body armor for the times. The cops didn't have a chance until they got some better equipment from, IIRC, nearby gun stores and SWAT. Then they cleaned house.

SWAT was created in response to the robbery...

no, the Texas tower incident, way back.

off topic but ya--There was even a TV show called SWAT in the mid70s. Way prior to that bank robbery.

I'd suspect some kind of break-in is also going on with this event too, given there are way too many juicy targets in that regard. Multiple teams in this instance. Two or three are causing chaos to keep the police busy, and some other team is blowing into vaults. Might not even be stealing bulk cash, but transaction records and various ledgers which are likely just as important for big casinos these days.

However if that guess is right, I'm not sure if the unseen group is going to make the news like the ones doing all the random shooting.

You arw literally just making shit up on the spot based on Nothing, and then accusing the media of covering it up.

Engage brain.

There has been prior precedent for this kind of thing before. An attack for terror alone can be anywhere, but attacking a place where all the money tends to be concentrated tends to have a dual motive. And casinos are super-secretive about their financial dealings, it's just how they operate. I'm going to stick with my hunch that there's more to this crime than what's in the news.

If you want to rob the casinos, causing a massive scene and having all of the casinos get locked down under max security, is not the way to do it.

Spraying full auto isn't a good shot

doesnt take much training to shoot into a barrel full of fish.

Fully automatic weapons are very expensive and difficult to obtain, must be registered. Sounded like a trigger crank or bump stock.

Or they have to be untraced, which is the simplest way for someone to obtain an automatic weapon when planning something like this. A modified semi automatic is still more likely.

Where are they obtained from in the first place? A middle-of-the-night smash and grab at a gun store? Stolen from a burglary on the off chance that the owner just so had an automatic weapon? Smuggled from South America? Illegally converted?

All of the above, making fully automatic weapons illegal does very little to prevent criminals from obtaining them. I'm sure the majority of them are converted or smuggled in. Either way, they're still being used in gang/drug related shootings in places like Chicago and Detroit.

Wow how many of you spellbound imbeciles are there? I can't believe there are so many fairy tale lives being lived out atm. It is not some mythical event to possess an automatic weapon in the US. Motivated individuals can and do obtain them, and some of those individuals use them for nefarious purpose. The only bumping this guy was doing was off an 8ball as he reading his fucking Vietnam weapon. That's exactly what his weapon sounded like. Some automatic shit poppin off like you hear in them Vietnam videos.

Fully automatic weapons are very expensive and difficult to obtain

Not true at all. A friend of my dad's sent his AR-15 lower receiver to a gentleman in Arizona and got it sent back fully auto.

I think there's more to it or it wasn't legal

Yeah, that sure doesn't sound very legal.

I'm not sure what connections you have, but they are pretty hard to come by. Pistols and shotguns are easy. But finding an actual machine gun with no real connection to the market is near impossible. You probably have a better chance of being robbed an skilled than ever seeing one.

These firearms were most likely converted to full auto from semi auto, which is very easy and can be done with basic machining skills depending on the firearm.

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it's easy for the deep state to acquire fully automatic weapons

/false flag terrorism

To what end? Wouldn't the deep state want to target "left wing" groups to discredit trump supporters?

These people operate above the left/right paradigm. It may be to further push gun control laws. Armed citizens is what really worries them. I’m not saying this was a false flag as I really don’t have enough info yet but if there’s a motivation for any element of the CIA / FBI or rogue elements it might be this. Remember the deep state is a completely separate entity to the shadow government, the intelligence agencies and rogue faction within said groups.

$200 tax stamp background check paperwork fingerprints and thousands of dollars will get a legal one in most states.

or steal one= $0

The way he was firing the weapon doesn't give me the impression that it was a weapons enthusiast or someone familiar with weapons (a typical person that would go through the process of obtaining pre-1986 automatic).

It's jerry-rigged heh

it's both tbh

Ask yourself how jury-rigged really makes sense?

Like all older slang, it doesn't really make sense in any contemporary context.

Unfortunately, the original phrase that you still hear in some regions is 'nigger rig'.

It's an archaic term from sailing.

More like 10s of thousands. Going rate on auto M-16 is 25-30k

You can still find MACs for under 10.

Damn I wanna get on that train. I’d love a Mac.

Just a few years ago they went for $3-4k. I should've gotten one.

Not really. First of all, whomever was firing was not trained properly to use that weapon. He was holding the trigger down and emptying the magazine in one pull, which renders an automatic kind of useless at the range he was allegedly firing (hundreds of meters to over 1000m likelyt) To me it sounded like an AK platform, probably firing from drum magazines - they're kind of a pain in the ass to reload especially if you're in a hurry.

Believe it or not had he been firing a semi-automatic weapon it could have been more deadly. Automatic 7.62 at that range, and with no proper control of the weapon will just send rounds tumbling into the distance off target.

he was firing down into the crowd as if shooting fish in a barrel. Not much chance of rounds tumbling off into the distance in that scenario.

It's really not that simple over 500m.

Actually,it is that easy.

The shooter had the high ground,which every military in the world seeks out for its tactical advantages. Especially when conducting an ambush into a target rich enviroment,,which is basicly what this was. Of course, with aimed fire, it might be difficult to hit a specific target,but that wasnt the case here. All he had to do was point his weapon down toward the crowd,then spray and pray.

It's not like they were directly below him, they were more than 1400 feet away, which if youve ever fired a weapon is not an easy shit even with the best conditions, and this guy unloaded fully automatic fire at them. Not as simple as shooting fish in a barrel if the barrel is more than a thousand feet out

Yeah... I think it was more like the dude was aiming at a football field, not at a person. Hard to miss the general area.

I think what he is saying, that if the person knew what they were doing it would've been far worse.

With a crowd packed that tight together, even a semi experienced long range shooter would have no problem keeping the spray in an area that is hundreds of meters wide. One sand bag and a 6 power scope and he would have no trouble if he had practiced a little. Its scary how easy it really is to do something like what this guy did. No gun laws short of mandatory weekly house inspections with metal detectors would ever stop someone thats not an idiot. These people that do these shootings piss me off beyond belief.

How did you get satellite photos? Or have they been released to the news?

Where are you getting 500m from?

If the shooter is on the 32nd floor then he’s less than 400ft up.

500m is more than a 1/4 of a mile.

apparently he was firing a semi automatic but he was bumping it

Thousands and thousands of dollars at that. I've got a Pre-ban CAR-15 that was $22k.

Local shop has an m16 for the bargain basement price of $30k.

But I thought they were so incredibly easy to purchase???????? Christ.

If you have 10s of 1000s of dollars to burn, 13-18 months, and an insanely clean record for the atf and fbi to go through with a fine tooth comb, then yeah, its simple.

Mine was filed last July or August and the stamp was just received two weeks ago.

I'm definitely thinking drum mag. I tried to slow down one of the videos to count the shots, it was difficult to get the precise number, but it was definitely more than a standard 30 round magazine.

Shooter was counting on the Accuracy by Volume theory.

Not really. You can't legally purchase or operate a 'machine gun' manufactured after 1986, so everything 1986 and prior can be purchased with an extensive ATF process and 'tax stamp'. They are limited stock, so they costs thousands of dollars - anyone that buys a weapon like that is not using it to go on a killing spree, they're for hobbyists. This was either an illegal weapon, stolen, or illegally tampered with to make a particular semi-auto an 'automatic' - which a lot of people do, but the weapon isn't safe or reliable if you do that.

Not to mention, there has not been a single use of a legal fully automatic firearm in a crime in recorded history.

There was that HK dealer or what not who had a dealer sample and used it in self defense after a motorcycle gang attacked him. (The Gary Fadden Incident)

From the sound of it fireing it wasn't full auto.

It's a semi-auto with one of thise doohickys that pulls the trigger as fast as you can crank the doohicky.

Because the cadence of it varys exactly like that.
Full auto is just that tho. full auto. one sound. one cadence.

Listening to the audio it sounds like a semi auto that was being bump fired, which is why the rate of fire increases and decreases.

"Ex CIA operative, after listening to video of Vegas shooting, tells me 'that's a fully automatic weapon. There's no question.'" —Natasha Bertrand https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/status/914822207913721857

Why would CIA operatives know much about guns? They sell them, sure, and they have others use them, but for the most part, the CIA would rather use any tool other than a gun.

lmao I love it how some people think all CIA members walk around in suits and briefcases and don't do their business with gunfights. Search a little bit about the CIA S.A.D, those guys know a lot about fully automatic gun fire

The only people that use fully automatic guns are amateurs and people trying to make a scene. The CIA wouldn't use fully automatic guns in any situation. They're wildly inaccurate. They only make sense (from a professional perspective) up close, a la the Vector.

I don't know from where you take this kind of information but it's all BS. While yes, most of Spec Ops soldiers use semi automatic fire for almost all situations, full auto fire it's also very used in Spec Ops: Supressing enemies especially if they are a big group, CQC when cleaning rooms/buildings, etc... You should read about the CAR-15

people trying to make a scene

Literally covers all of your examples.

Wtf are you talking about? How a Navy SEAL supressing enemies is "trying to make a scene"? lmao

This or a crank gatling gun. Check out the sticky on /r/guns seems, to me, this is what most people there think. But I'm not saying it is or isnt. 10 fully auto rifles would cost a shit ton going through legal channels and take a shit ton of time to get the stamps for them and fbi and atf would know you have them. 10 ar15s with bump stocks wouldn't be nearly as costly and could get that stuff at pretty much any gun store. :/ super sad shit.

Yep, my first guess too. Slide fire stocks, bipod or mount and drum magazines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5g6Kut3SGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdFEQ6pKxI4

The audio makes it sound like two or more guns are being fired at once, but this could easily be echo or something, I'm no expert, but I do shoot automatic weapons at the ranges here in nevada, I'm guessing all the buildings and wide open space below just made it sound that way, but when I first saw one of the videos, sounded like two automatics firing into the crowd, not sure.

No freaking way was this guy bump firing 300 yards away and got 50+ kills. No way. He had a fully automatic AK47 with a 50 round Drum Magazine. I’ll bet on it.

Thats what my army friend said too, he could tell from the sound

it's probably a bump-fire stock on a semi-automatic rifle

how is that legal? dafuq america lul, this reminds me of all the 'pistols' these days with short stocks and short barrels that basically are compact rifles

People get illegal things everyday, b

Super illegal if owned illegally. You can legally own machine guns. It’s just over 15 grand to own one. Not to mention you have to pass an additional check from the ATF.

No legally owned machine gun has ever been used in a crime.

Ha! You're funny. Yeah, there aren't any autos in LA or Vegas because they are super illegal. There also aren't meth labs making hundreds of pounds of meth around victorville, because it's illegal. Super illegal.

You can make a poor mans full auto using a bump fire stock for cheap. Slide fire is the best, I have shot full auto and it is very close in terms of being accurate, as far as shooting accurately with auto fire goes, especially if you use a bipod.

These videos are legal semi-autos using slide fire stocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5g6Kut3SGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdFEQ6pKxI4

The scanner is saying there is an active shooter at flamingo as well.

Holy fuck, heard shots on scanner!

This is so fucked

Hold on. Isnt the technology there to fake such blood streaks? Anymore nsfw evidence released? Thats tbe only one I found thus far.

What are you implying?

That the story may have elements of fakery (it does).

No, not saying everything is fake. Think logically. Never believe what talking heads say. Analyze the shoddy first hand evidence that has been publically released.

Now this is weird..

They are now saying that they are not looking for anymore shooters, but I heard them shots on scanner and this was after they confirmed the first shooter was killed.

Doesn't make sense

"white male all in grey camo SE of tropicana"

"suspect possibly on 4th floor of tropicana"

-scanner just now

Sounds ricocheting off of huge buildings makes it sound like it's coming from multiple places when it isn't.

Goddammit OJ

that was literally the first thing I thought after seeing some video of him being released from jail and being in Vegas

Wtf? False flag?

Something tells me this is an "islamic" terror attack and that news reports will be filled with strange hermetic references (e.g. "terrorist killed on the 33rd floor of the mandalay bay hotel").

May the real perpetrators of this heinous act be identified and face justice.

North Korean

hahahah... riiiiight?

more like... mossad... trying to pin it on islamic north koreans :D

Egyptian North Korean. Korean - e = Koran

Something tells me this is an "islamic"

oh yea? lemme guess.. because they hate our freedoms ??

/you small like a an idiot

/you small like a an idiot

mmmkay

Did you notice the quotation marks? Did you read the rest of my comment? Do I really need to spell out everything?

/you smell like someone with reading difficulties

What if you are wrong?

Then I'm wrong. That's a possible side-effect of educated speculation.

But don't worry, you won't catch leperacy because of it.

educated speculation.

What exactly is educated about your speculation? What are you basing it on?

If you want me to be responsible for your political education, I will have to charge you for it.

But here's a freebie: Daniele Ganser's seminal work, NATO's Secret Armies: Operation GLADIO and Terrorism in Western Europe (full book PDF). TLDR

And that has what exactly to do with the Vegas shooting?

Gladio B. Other link.

I'd happily engage with you Schotel, if I thought you were participating in this sub in good faith. I've been noticing your "contributions" here. Tchuss.

Right now, the person who is allegedly the shooter is an older white guy. Doesn't sound very islamic to me.

Alex Jones said his sources said he had just converted to Islam and local law enforcement was already aware of him. Alex actually has good sources but youre probably too closed minded to even consider that.

Anyway ANTIFA was fucking threatening to kill people this fall so it seems likely it was them. Although obviously it could have been other things.

A huge fucking problem honestly is that the Media and politicians use these kinds of things as a way to gain control. If only they would just be rational and outdoor concert venues would just develop better security practices.

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Alex Jones said

Are you fucking joking?

He has good sources sometimes! Your using ad hominen now just because youve been radicalized by leftist media to not believing anything which comes from Alex Jones. He literally has good sources sometimes even if he is wrong about some other stuff.

Anyway even if you dont believe him this guy was obviously targeting conservatives. He was photographed at several radical leftist protests. https://imgur.com/a/NgvPH

Leftist media is constantly trying to hammer it into people that all Trump Supporters are racist and all white people are evil nazis. It's honestly not surprising that crazy people take it literally and then do horrible things. Use occam's razor. Its obvious why he targeted a country music concert. This guy's friends and family apparently said that he was against guns to. I think it's pretty obvious this guy was motivated politically at the very least. Maybe even ANTIFA had influence on him or radical islam.

You sound like a parody account. Are you for real?

Are you?

Your bias is soooooo strong you wouldn't even know the truth if it bit you in the ass!

Do you not fucking know about ANTIFA threatening to conduct massive attacks this fall? It's honestly the most plausible theory.

GTFOH, Dude. This is like the 6th comment of yours I've seen on this thread alone. You're all over this sub copying and pasting the same comment on anything LV related. Your account is 66 days old and you've posted 3 times all of which are on the same free karma sub r/freekarma4u Whatever you're pushing, whoever you are, you're a fucking scumbag for using this tragedy, no matter how questionable, to ask for money. Especially under the guise to support crazy ass Alex Jones. Really?

It's a free country mother fucker. I'm exercising my 1A to support the 2A, and hopefully warn people about radical leftism. Antifa really has fucking been threatening to get violent lately and there is nothing fucking wrong with Alex Jones.

Think how many people you know who would justify stealing from a rich person or a corporation. That is basically what leftism is all about, and it's a way bigger problem than racism. It's richism. Antifa has been justifying violence like crazy and saying they were gonna start ramping things up this fall.

Why the fuck do you think that guy shot up a country music concert? Probably to kill conservatives. You're just fucking mad because I'm telling the truth and your delusional view of reality is caving in on itself.

Omg what if.

His name was Joseph Paddock. Sounds real Muslim to me.

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/73r2iq/mass_casualty_shooting_in_las_vegas_multiple_dead/dnsk4o4/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-isis-shooting-claims-stephen-paddock-responsibility-latest-a7978941.html

"Sounds Muslim" says the racist.

What?

Something tells me this is an "islamic" terror attack

Is that something literally nothing?

Educated speculation

So, literally nothing.

Crisis actor link already taken down. Unbelievable, I remember seeing it on here. This fucking reaks.

Welp my bad, still looks extremely odd

what looks odd to you?

multiple shooters is odd, for starters

/ill bet you 100 bitcoin they are all killed -- these guys are NEVER captured for questioning... TPTB never want anyone who find out who is financing/directing the shooters.

I now recognize your name as a prolific pizzagate poster, so I don't necessarily trust your ability to separate fact from fiction

nice try you fucking soros shill!!!11

Removed. Rule 10. First warning.

keep up the censorship of obvious jokes. that's what a conspiracy sub is all about!

He just need a lil nappy nap

Dzhokar says hello...

That there were crisis actors hired in Las Vegas a month ago and we are now here. This is a conspiracy forum, and false flags are not unknown. This all looks like a tidy 'lone gunman'?

They're rolling them out in interviews on CBS news as we speak. Real or not these goofballs always pop up. The first girl who was there literally had someone else standing behind her helping her along with her lines. Like, really? Getting sloppy

Oh well then that settles it. Case closed.

I saw a Craigslist ad taken down for a moped recently. I bet that's how the crisis actors got around. Also there was a long line at Starbucks. I bet that's how they got free coffee.

It's all coming together now.

I can not get this damn scanner to work

What is the name of the scanner app you're using?

I think it was shut down. A lot of Twitter posts saying stop sharing officer locations from scanner feeds

It was blacked out at the highest part of the incident, just after breaching the hotel room where the shots were coming from.

So somebody shooting from a hotel window down into the crowd?

Lots of witness videos cropping up. https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/914731975499542528/video/1

There were alot of phones running video already, but I'm assuming none knew where to film.

That was Dan Bilzerian

Why the fuck would he film that pointless video after seeing someone get shot?

Weird.

Agreed-I'm disturbed by how odd that sounded. Fucking models all day must have him desensitized.

Heard Dan lost like three Instagram models in the shooting

what the fuck is wrong with you

Sorry, Thought I was in Imgoingtohell

Ayo I laughed

He was trained as a navy seal.

Because he made up the girl getting shot story for attention. See how we're all talking about him now? He's a socialite, being at the scene of a terrorist attack is great for his image and will probably end up being quite profitable for him.

What a fuck head.

You're calling him a fuck head based on what?

What a random guy just speculated vs a guy running away from a shooting spree?

Which is more likely true, a guy knows enough about Dan Bilzerian to confirm he is lying, or Dan Bilzerian really did just see a person get shot in the face at a location where a man opened fire on a crowd? Hmm.

You're calling him a fuck head based on what?

...

Dan Bilzerian

...

Because he made up the girl getting shot story for attention. See how we're all talking about him now? He's a socialite, being at the scene of a terrorist attack is great for his image and will probably end up being quite profitable for him.

But someone literally just sold you on him making up a story with 0 context or proof.

Welcome to your typical easily convinced user on r/conspiracy

Says the 4month old account that exclusively posts in news.

Get back to work!

Lol no one sold me on anything the dudes a tool.

Yeah because recording a selfie for your followers is a typical response to a traumatic event. I'm surprised there aren't thousands more of these videos!

This video was just a way to get people to tune into his channel and sell ads.

If his life revolves around the internet and being seen it's kinda normal.

Kind of like if your life revolves around your family you'd probably call them immediately.

If his life revolves around the internet and being seen it's kinda normal.

What if his revenue streams revolve around the internet?

He was worth millions of dollars before social media was a thing, you're grasping at very thin straws but I forgot which sub I'm stuck in... with a bunch of fuckin looneys.

He inherited millions of dollars but he spends like he's actually earning more. If you don't think he's working with advertisers to monetize his internet presence you are incredibly naive.

You really think Dan Bilzerian recorded that video because "the internet is like his family so it's normal"?

Shhh.

Do you think celebrities use social media for fun? You really don't think they're getting paid?

I thought it was weird too. I'm not sold this is 100% real yet.

Attack on pro-gun crowds, with a major pro-gun celeb in attendance? Smells fishy.

Smells fishy.

Hell yeah it does. Like a fish shop on a Sunday morning.

Because...Dan Bilzerian?

because he is fucking tool

It's called being in shock, it would not be abnormal for a regular person to start filming themselves in that moment, let a lone a social media star, he was acting like anyone would in shock.

I disagree 100%.

There are endless videos of people in shock, during and after events that immediately start recording. What is your explanation?

There are endless videos of people in shock, during and after events that immediately start recording.

Endless?

Show me a single video recorded by a regular citizen after people realized what was going on. I'll wait. (you won't find one)

that took two seconds, at the end of this vid is a kid recording himself in far worse shape than Dan was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLGYvD6p6z8

I wouldn't say he was in worse shape, just not a huge pussy like Dan.

The dude does nothing but shoot guns and fuck bitches and post it online all day.

Because he's famous and likes attention. Could easily be lying or embellishing the situation.

There are clearly two separate fully auto firearms going in that vid.

good lord please people, dont snap chat a scene of terrorism. We dont need web quality 15 second videos that disappear in 24 hours of some of the most valuable footage available. High quality footage is not only important for the historical document but also to help find clues and identify faces.

That's why I save my snapchats

You can also download everything you've posted to your story, if anything its a decent way to get things out quick while actually archiving (15 sec is weak tho I'll give you that)

whats the quality like

Proof they are/were fully auto? Very rare and expensive weapons even in LV. Semi auto can be fired darn quickly and if you bump fire it can simulate full auto fairly well.

Words are important so incorrectly labeling the weapons is a dire mistake.

Doesn't sound fully auto. Sounds like a semi-auto converted with a trigger crank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7ixInjs0C4 0:07 actual shots on the ground

That's so scary. I got goosebumps. There is a child in the video. So fucking scary.

This video here clearly shows 2 guns shooting. You can hear two completely different firing patterns. It's like one on the ground one in the hotel type of deal? or more?

the guy supposedly brought 7 different guns into his hotel room

This video was already pulled, can you reupload to dtube so it can't be censored

ok for me

It must be my phone thank you for reply

Thanks for monitoring the scanners. The situation reports are invaluable when creating timelines if this turns out to be what we all suspect. Especially with the way info is getting scrubbed lately.

yes, please try to record and post audio

Yeah if anything, do it on the repost after this post is abruptly deleted.

Thanks for unfiltered information. I just moved from LV and have a lot of friends and family there.

if this turns out to be what we all suspect

Why is every mass shooting immediately suspected of being fake / false flag as soon as it happens? Are ALL of them fake?

Honest question, not trolling.

This is /r/conspiracy we're talking about, there are some legitimately insane people in this thread right now

Yeah, fucking nut jobs go to a sub about conspiracies and suggest that something is a conspiracy.

I get that. What I don't get is advocating distrust of anything the government says but treating Craiglist ads and blurbs from police radio as the word of God whenever it supports a belief they want to validate.

Devils advocate, again. The thing about the craigslist ads is that they were posted before the event. They could be anything, they could be for a TV commercial or even a legitimate training exercise. But we know they were posted beforehand, and I think that's why people weigh so heavily on them. We know the government has lied in the past to push agendas; we know about secret courts and illegal wiretapping, and we know about a current push to re-legalize said wiretapping.

I don't believe it's as much people are believing what they want to believe as it is not trusting a source you know you can't trust and has an agenda to push. They're taking the facebook thing at face value, which in comparison looks 'like the word of god'.

You're right, the ads could be anything. But in this thread right now are people who will tell you that this is obvious evidence of a false flag operation and all of the victims are paid actors. Once the seed of possibility is planted you'll see grieving family members being called liars and two hour YouTube "documentaries" that people smugly post links to in comment sections telling users here to wake up and see the influence of Hillary Clinton and the Illuminati.

The CL ad is proof that manufactured outrage is a political tool. If a "cause" is willing to hire people to create the appearance of a protest, all involved are human garbage. In this case, there is no need to use actors (aside from a key witness or something like that.)

Yeah, there are also people in here that 100% agree with the official narrative and wouldn't believe anything else no matter what

Because we're in a political climate where the government doesn't care about the will of the people. Look at the referendum vote in Catalonia. Look at the fisa courts, which pretty much everyone agrees are a violation of rights. They want to push this again, and as operation northwoods proves, they are willing to kill people to push an agenda. You should be proud that everyone is questioning everything.

Also, you're in /r/conspiracy. That's what this sub is for.

You should be proud that everyone is questioning everything.

Also, you're in /r/conspiracy. That's what this sub is for.

Questioning everything, even in a sub for conspiracies, doesn't excuse the fact that this isn't questioning at all, just blatant declarations and assumptions without any critical scrutiny whatsoever, just jumping on things that seem to confirm your narrative. That you never come to the conclusion something isn't a conspiracy means that either everything is a conspiracy, or that perhaps you're not as astute as you think, and aren't critically analyzing the situation to determine it's veracity but are instead just looking for confirmations of your biases.

Seriously, when is the last time /r/conspiracy threw in the towel and said, "nope, not a conspiracy, just coincidence"...? Shouldn't that be fairly often in the real world? If these conspiracies were so rampant and pervasive, don't you think some of them would be revealed as time goes on?

rocks the boat

I think the answer is that it's far easier to collect evidence as if it were a false flag AS ITS HAPPENING rather than wait until its over, speculate, piece together something you find compelling, and then submit it to the world when everyone is, more or less, over it already.

  No, its not great to question everything undoubtedly and to think way ahead of time that you're looking at a conspiracy, but, as was mentioned above, we live in a time when its probably a good idea if SOME people reacted that way and archived information as it was happening. Its seemingly already impossible to get anyone who isn't conspiracy-minded to give this any real consideration, anyway.

  It helps the community and damages its credibility at the same time.

Or, or, it's possible people are investigating as best they can and publishing as much info as they can. Drawing conclusions at this stage is stupid regardless of your perspective. We can entertain and explore an idea without completely subscribing to it.

My comment is saying that you're all just assuming these bits of published info are automatically true without critical scrutiny, benefit of the doubt, or consideration of other options... nor is there much information to the contrary being gathered and counter-analyzed against your position.

It's really simple - there's no scrutiny here, just assumptions. That isn't a scientific inquiry, it's groupthink.

In other words based on your requirement for 100% of the evidence it would be impossible to ever prove a conspiracy happened

/r/Conspiracy isn't a monolith and what you're describing as throwing in the towel happens on an individual level all the time.

Some conspiracies do get revealed in time. Other suspected conspiracies have their disclosure dates extended indefinitely for reasons of national security.

Less will be revealed if incongruities aren't immediately pursued before loose ends are cleaned up. The alternative is to passively absorb whatever information secondary sources curate for you.

I could see the DOD or any department of our military having something to do with this.

This is the type of shit that the CIA and DOD do to affect regime changes in other countries. They literally have a budget for it. Assasinate xyz. Drop leaflets with propaganda. Send operatives into protest to spark violence. Arm Isis.

We have a department that illegally wiretaps American citizens. Why anyone would ever think they don't do that kind of thing here 'because morals and laws' is beyond me.

Don't you know? Conspiracies are totally impossible! I mean just listen to this former CIA agent (who would never lie)

https://youtu.be/z11zYluIzYI

"There has never been a conspiracy in this country"

Wonder if he still believes in the tooth fairy? Santa claus? How about the well documented Iran-Contra affair? Watergate?

...And right away, he moves right into personal attacks.

I think is the reactionary narrative they are in control of. Spin crisis to their favor.

It's not immediately suspected of being fake per se, but its likewise not automatically accepted as fact.

The goal is to be skeptically open-minded. The "everything is a conspiracy" mindset is as counter-productive as the "nothing is a conspiracy" mindset.

Its better to evaluate the evidence available and draw logical conclusions. At this point in time, its too early to tell. There are lots of social media posts, and reports about alternate shooter locations which are possibly due to fear, adrenaline and shot echoes.

Other than lurkers, this sub is a closed loop where we can discuss these sensitive topics without offending anyone and draw on our collective knowledge to suss through the info.

Be patient with the comments, as many are bots or trolls. The core group on this sub is quite logical and pragmatic, and don't take offense when someone makes a good counterpoint.

There are usually a handful of possibilities in any mass casualty event:

Totally true-really happened exactly as described (most crimes and murders)

Partially true-really happened, but info about how or why was altered or distorted for various reasons (directing political policy)

Not true-didn't happen at all (hoax)

Most events fall into the "partially true" category; and example would be an MCE where the shooter used a pistol and shotgun, but the media reports it was an assault rifle to garner support for increased gun control.

There are also other metrics for carefully analyzing these types of events, but this reply is running a little long.

well said. I right now am a skeptic waiting to hear more information before I draw any kind of conclusion. yes there are some details about it that don't quite click at this time but does that mean its a fake thing? no. lets keep gathering information and find out what we can before we grab our pitchforks and start screaming false flag. keep in mind that false flag or an organic mad man off his rocker that people have died and there will be a lot of emotions involved in this event and discussions of it. so people will react wildly one way or another when talking about it.

Thank you for putting words to the way I view the world now.

I'm glad it landed well with someone.

A lot of people lack basic common sense and enjoy feeling like they have some kind of insider insight that differentiates them from the masses.

It depends on the evidence presented vs the "official story" which isn't always the truth. Could this be what the story says? Absolutely. But the rational thing to do is to remain skeptical of what we're told and what comes out as well as conspiracy theories.

For me, this is where I'm currently at:

No muzzle flashes on any of the videos that catch the building, particularly the floor they're saying this happened from. This could indicate weapons fire from another, possibly closer location. Could also indicate more than one shooter.

There's no break in fire- at least not one that indicates changing a 30 round magazine rather it indicates a belt fed machine gun.

Those are just a couple observations. As this unfolds, keep a close eye on the facts they give us and see if that holds against your own observations of common sense.

In Canada we learned 240 RCMP have a mandate to fake terror attacks as a national priority.

Its less an assumption that this is fake, and more about taking a critical look. I love that this sub takes a fine tooth comb to everything (including weird shit on the police scanners). I mean, are you surprised to see conspiracy focused discussion on /r/conspiracy?

Because most people don't go shooty-shooty by themselves.

By some counts, nearly half of the 500-plus terrorism-related convictions in federal court since the Sept. 11 attacks have involved informants.

and

Aaronson’s book catalogs the cases of more than 500 federal terrorism defendants and finds that fewer than 10 dealt with would-be terrorists who independently planned to carry out attacks on American soil. Far more were cultivated by the company of men like Torres.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/magazine/the-informant-and-the-filmmakers.html

My answer to that question is the fact that the Smith-Mundt act was repealed a few years ago...making it legal for the government to create and present false events as true.

Why repeal the one act making it illegal to propagandize citizens of the United States, inside the borders of the USA, unless that's exactly what they intend to do? That's a rhetorical question, by-the-way.

what we all suspect

What's that?

sus·pect VERB have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof.

... are you really that stupid or do you think playing dumb is a valid defense mechanism? I'm asking what is it that you suspect.

I'm really that stupid.

What do “we all suspect” ?

That grown-ups can't see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch.

O J Simpson was released from prison last night, and the very next night a mass shooting appears in Las Vegas.... As main stream media portrayed his release, the juice is now loose in Las Vegas and here we have a terrorist attack/ false flag event in Sin City.

Are you implying OJ had something to do with this? Or are you just saying that you think the media might try to connect unrelated events?

A bunch of people on twitter are saying it as a joke, I don't think any reporter would actually say it as anything but a joke.

Underrated comment.

What about that post you included says crisis actors? Am I missing it?

so they'll just take anybody off the street, then hope that the people don't spill the beans afterwards?

They wont spill if they sign an expensive non-disclosure contract

100% of the people accept? No one leaks this the rest of their lifes? Come on now...

am expensive non-disclosure for being part of a conspiracy theory? WHAT? I can't even wrap my head around how you'd think that'd work... "OK so I illegally was asked to sign this saying that I won't tell anyone that I pretended to be a victim of a terrorist attack" It's illegal to hire anyone to do that sort of thing, and so illegal to enforce a non-disclosure. I'll put it in a small scale so it makes sense. Can a weed dealer get his customers to sign a non-disclosure, ensuring no one rats him out? of course fucking not

I'm not sure what to think about this "crisis actor" theory, but when it comes to expensive non-disclosure agreements, it isn't always the threat of money/things being taken away - what would you keep silent about for a million bucks? How about ten? AND the threat of your money/things/life being taken from you in addition..

Just playing devils advocate. I'm not really sure what to think anymore.

I highly doubt they're paying hundreds of people millions of dollars. It's just really silly to think this would work without someone saying something.

sure maybe for a handful of people, but if you're getting hundreds to play along, chances are one of them will know the law, or know someone who knows the law, well enough to say thats all bullshit that is 100% illegal. that doesn't even include the morons who would just brag to all their friends even if they signed something. People never keep their mouth shut-- especially when its 100s of people

Please seek help. I highly recommend you speak to your doctor about your beliefs.

Removed. Rule 4.

How the hell would that hold up in court?

Crisis actors are a discrediting technique designed to make conspiracy theorists look deranged and keep us looking in the wrong direction.

This isn't a hoax like Sandy Hook, no actors needed when you carry out a false flag because the event actually happens...

Very true.

Contract would be unenforceable in court. Only way that it would be possible to keep a huge amount of people quite is with a fuck ton of money, or by killing them. If your going to kill later them then there is no point in hiring actors and might as well just do a false flag. If the government is willing to fabricate a whole event like this or sandy hook they would just do a false flag and skip the high cost of paying a ton of people to be quite. Its not like we are talking about a government that has any true moral standard's, and the dead can't talk so there is no chance that they can expose it if they actually kill everyone.

The assumption that the Craigslist ads have anything to do with this is ludicrous. Like you said, there is no way to keep everyone quiet and no way to make sure hundreds of actors are killed at the event so hiring actors for something like this would just be stupid. I cannot understand how some of these people think like this. Maybe people just want to feel like detectives and link two things together, I just don't know.

So you're saying that huge conspiracies recruit participants through ads?

Not impossible. Just vet them with background checks.

Instead of looking for the good people. Look for the bad ones.
Or ones you can get leverage over. Drug habits, Evidence of crimes, Into weird shit like 'pizza', Police records, Massive debt, etc...

Yeah, those are exactly the people who can be trusted to keep their mouths shut /s

The LVPD just tweeted this:

Please do not livestream or share tactical positions of our officers on scene. This may put emergency responders in danger.

Two reasons they wouldn't want that:

• They think the terrorists are holding their weapon in one hand and their smartphone in the other, frantically searching the Internet for "tactical" intelligence

• Something fishy is going on they wouldn't want recorded/broadcast (having learned the lesson from 911 and all the contradictory material still floating out there to this day)

That's actually a great point

Its actually the furthest thing from a great point

I mean I thought it was a pretty rational point. Why do you think it isn't?

They think the terrorists are holding their weapon in one hand and their smartphone in the other

HAHAHAHHAHA... so true ;)

/false flag bullshit -- not syaing that people are not dying... just saying that the terrorists are totally under control by American (or Israeli) powers that be

the terrorists are totally under control by American (or Israeli) powers

FUCK YOU

Not so much that the active shooters are but often things are planned so that they have non active participants that film the reactions and relay relevant information to the active shooters.

Do you know what critical thinking is?

They're just saying not to do it live, not to not document anything whatsoever.

Get out of here with that logic nonsense!

If it is a group of terrorists, it would make sense to have a member of the group monitoring stuff like that and relaying information to the shooters.

Yes. Exactly. It’s so simple really.

Yeah... Those are the only options.

They say it every time, they even said that yesterday when there was the lone idiot in Edmonton, I think they still said it after they caught him to. I think the fear is that these people may have a guy with a cell phone sending them information, although they would probably have a police scanner of their own if they are local.

They could probably just get a Bluetooth headset connected to a phone to communicate with the information guy if they have one in the group, who could be on a phone call with them the whole time.

That is definitely a possibility, I agree.

Note the thread on r/news got deleted because people were relaying what they were hearing on the police scanner, seemingly as it risked being useful to the shooters (that's what they're saying on r/undelete). As if the criminals couldn't download the app (or own a scanner) themselves.

I tend to be very skeptical/reluctant at this systematic shutting down of crowd-sourced efforts; at the very least it implies the State and State-sponsored media should be the only competent/responsible enough to report.

It could also have something to do with them not wanting people to realise how I'll prepared or confused that they become during terror attacks. Dosent inspire confidence in the ability to prevent and contain the attacks.

Not reporting on publicly available information in real time doesn't erase that information from existance. If criminals want to use publicly available information to help evade police, they're going to do it. They don't need to rely on amateur journalists reporting on social media, they can get the publicly available information from the same sources those people got it. "Don't report on police radio because the bad guys might hear it"? What? If they cared to know what police are doing and planned this in advance, why not just assume that they themselves are listening in on publicly available information like that?

I totally agree. See my comment about the r/news thread being censored for the same preposterous reason.

I remember when the police announced the same ans switched freqs for the same reason just before shooting into the boat during the Boston event. They hadnt cared for hours before.

they do this to avoid what happend in munich in 1972, where the cops had everything they where doing brodcasted on tv

to be fair, that is standard operating procedure ever since the '70s, when during the hostage situation at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich the local TV stations broadcast the approach of police forces on the roofs. The terrorists saw that on live TV and demanded a withdrawal of all forces.

It's called OpSec, you don't go blasting out your information if there's even a slight chance they could get it.

They are referring to the attacks that happened in Paris where the news footage caused the terrorists to know where the police were and ended up with them getting shot. It also happened in eastern Canada when an RCMP officer was killed because people were tweeting locations of how cops were outside their house etc.

You can't always assume something is fishy, sometimes they just have genuine concern for the people on the force. Plus during a time of crises like This, they wouldn't know how many active shooters there were. If you listened to the scanner it sounded like the police were super confused so they may have thought there was multiple people armed.

Is this happening at more than one location?

Probably confusing because the shooter was up like 30 floors, so had a large area he could hit. And I'm guessing people heard echoes too

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The shooters are most like CIA or Mossad or MK ultrad people.

Or captagon-drugged patsies, employed and controlled by the aforementionned

What the fuck? Why is that stuff schedule 1? It sounds like a safer alternative for amphetamine, which is a popular prescription drug!

Captagon is the "jihadists' drug". You're right it's just regular amphetamines, and you have prescription drugs that are worse / equivalent. This is illegal so intelligence agencies may conserve the monopoly on its fabrication and distribution.

Wikipedia makes it sound safer than regular amphetamine

Fenethylline is metabolized by the body to form two drugs, amphetamine (24.5% of oral dose) and theophylline (13.7% of oral dose), both of which are active stimulants. The physiological effects of fenethylline therefore seem to result from a combination of these two compounds, although this is not entirely clear.

I think it's pretty equivalent; anyhow the pharmacological effects are utterly equivalent. True the wiki says Captagon was considered to have fewer side effects, although I don't really understand why as Captagon is metabolized as amphetamine.

the number of mass shootings the past year has been tripled. definitely mk ultra monarch/cia behind.

they basically let them in, despite being obviously suspicious as hell.

i wonder if they have "catcher in the rye", or if they're gonna be drugged during trial, like james holmes. wait, did they apprehend them, or did they conveniently shoot them dead?

if it is a false flag, it makes me wonder if anyone specific at the concert was a target, buried over the civilian casualities, or if it's to push an agenda or get media views yet again. or just cause scared people are easier to manipulate/don't complain.

or if it's distracting from a worse subject.

MK Ultra popped into my head immediately upon hearing about this.

SOP. Lets get some info straight. Pull ourselves togethet and identify the situation. This is what we do. It may sound like hell but nobodys getting anywhere sqwuaking back and forth.

This one feels different though... Can't help but shed a tear.

I wonder which of the Alphabet soup fronted this one?

I've seen a lot of people saying "ISIS" for no reason in the comments. One commenter said an ISIS flag was found in a vehicle?

So I guess the answer is CIA?

Yes, the ISIS member by the name of Joseph Paddock.

It's not for no reason. They tried to claim responsibility immediately. They always do.

haha

so why can't i upvote this? is it below zero?

Crisis actors and false flag already being thrown around alread?

https://twitter.com/spacetrek9/status/914738099887861760

Its a real event people.

^ This ^ And it's really fucking peculiar that right when 'someone in the government' has jammed his foot in his mouth harder than he ever has, something like this happens.

I feel I need to say it because to many people call the boston bombing and sandy hook false flags when they really mean hoax. Until we learn anything of the shooter its to early to even call it a false flag.

Exactly.

Times before, details and things have proven to have been missed/overlooked.

Right now is especially not the time to be throwing partisan/argumentative shit around. Critical thinking and analysis, because of how [b]real[/b] this event is.

A false flag doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. A false flag is an event pulled off by nefarious persons to further an agenda. There is nothing “false” about the dead bodies when this shit happens.

Oh so you admit then the shooter killed himself prior to the police breaching the door?

Because it seems like there's an awful lot of this "event" you dispute but somehow want to cover yourself by saying "well it could have happened but..."

I love how weak your argument is and when it immediately crumbles you default to personal attacks.

What I really love about you OP is who you devoured and ran with the likely real false flag: a tweeted screenshot of a Craigslist ad anyone could fake.

And other comments have pointed out that's a popular 4chan troll tactic. But boy you sure took the bait.

What I really love about you, is that you are acting like that is the only piece of evidence I’m using to say it’s a false flag whilst ignoring the entirety of the post.

How does one "act like" that via text? Show me where I did that or ignored your post?

Your observational/comprehension skills are terrible.

Ahh yes another juicy tidbit that resides only in your head.

I observe you have zero evidence and comprehend you are desperate to prove you figured out a conspiracy while believing a fake 4chan prank. lol

I don’t argue with folks like you. Waste of energy. Go target a less intelligent user.

I'm surprised a "top mind" such as you would debase yourself with such a lowly peasant as I.

Good day, sir.

You must go. Your people need you.

You said you were leaving OP.

Why would anyone trust anything you say lol?

r/iamverysmart

that advert for crowds on demand was posted in here a few weeks ago, OP of that thread predicted this. there was enough there to start crying wolf before this even started.

^And thats exactly how stupid half assed rumors start.

Like it or not this is what we do here. Deal with it or fuck off.

Like it or not this is what we do here.

So were just supposed to make up any bullshit we feel like and spread it as if it were true?

Yeah, there was a post here talking about a Crowds on Demand post directed at Phoenix (speculating it had something to do with Arpaio and his pardon). I saw that one too while trying to turn up the old topics, but there were even more talking about Las Vegas as well. Like this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6ujrmw/crowds_on_demand_in_las_vegas_prepare_for_a_riot/

There are others as well. Try a google search limited to reddit.com (since reddit's own search system is terrible), include the phrases "Crowds on Demand" along with terms like "Vegas" and "conspiracy" and you should be able to find more. A lot of the posts speculated this would be connected to the McGregor Mayweather from the end of August, so adding "McGregor Mayweather" with the other terms should get you some interesting results too.

Yep, that's the one saw.

that definitely sounds like 2 different guns

Or echos, it is at least 10 seconds of automatic fire in other videos of what sounds like an AK of some kind.

Definitely not echos. They are distinctly different. Different cadence and sometimes one stops while the other continues to fire. Definitely more than one shooter!!!!

Yes real but planned.

https://twitter.com/spacetrek9/status/914738099887861760

Someone, or a group of people, from here need to respond to one of these Crowds on Demand ads, go along and see what happens. Would help to solve this mystery. Because if they're getting any old person to be involved in these types of events then you'd think that'd be dangerous for them as someone would speak out, even if they'd had NDAs slapped on them, someone would have a conscience and say something, surely? Or at least, they'd run the risk of someone saying something. So I think it'd be v informative to have some people properly investigate this crisis actor thing. I'd do it but I'm not in the US.

This was my first thought. Surly randoms getting crowd work would talk. And with all the camera/phones filming constantly, we would at least over hear someone

I replied to one a long time ago, after the Orlando shooting, it was some sketch company, G4 I believe. Even if they aren't involved in stuff like this, I'm pretty sure they were involved on the profiting end of 9/11 and are generally a scummy lot.

Proof? Like an email or anything? Or is it "from an email account I don't even have anymore, this was a long time ago"

Its on this subreddit if you search for it. But I probably posted it with a different account. But honestly its probably a nothing burger at the end of a long tunnel that I don't feel like digging through so yeah sorry, no links.

Hahah how convenient. So you have no proof, just name dropping the "flavor of the month." Nice.

All of what I stated is true, I said it for no benefit other than to say it. Why does the dog fly?

Woof woof said the monkey.

It's happened before..Sandy hook phone operator saying it's just a drill..

But of course..when presented with this evidence..you have more disbelief..you just cannot believe the government wants to lie to you.

Wierd thing to be skeptical about if you ask me

The awful truth that few want to accept on /r/conspiracy is that violence like this is real. Mentally disturbed people exist, and when they have access to weapons, they sometimes use them. I know it's comforting to think that it's a conspiracy and that these crowds aren't real, but the ugly truth is that reality is not always scripted.

Especially when they are groomed by the fbi.

I think the crisis actor thing is a conspiracy in of itself started by the powers at be who noticed the internet digging too far into things, so to discredit the conspiracy culture they added nonsense like crisis actors to the culture to deter conspiracies from being acceptable in discussion.

It doesn't explain the same people being seen at multiple events though.

It does though. If you look at thousands and thousands of people broadcast, under different lighting and different cameras, some are going to look similar.

What about that guy that survived like 4 terror attacks? I am neutral on this (unsure) and am genuinely curious.

What guy? Need a bit more info.

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2016/03/25/the-american-who-survived-brussels-paris-and-boston-terror-attacks-says-hes-lucky

Sorry for the big link I'm on mobile.

Dude was just unlucky.

Thanks. So basically he was injured in Brussels, somewhere in Boston when that went off and in the same country when an attack happened in Paris.

At best he survived two attacks. Still freaky but way less amazing than surviving 3 or 4.

Thanks for checking it out. I am a longtime lurker here and that was my first comment here. This sub is not really a place where I want to get into my personal opinions (negativity, downvoting, divisiveness, hatred) but I wanted to mention that. His whole existence is like part of the evidence of false flag events so I felt like mentioning it.

Fair enough. It's an interesting point. It just doesn't seem quite so remarkable when you dig into the details.

You can make a lot of money in ads and superchat donations by scaring people with such things so don't forget the profit motive too.

I think theres just alot of dumb people ina country of 300 million

Yeah. I agree. TPTB don't even need to waste resources inventing outlandish counter-intel to discredit all conspiracy theorists, the lowest-denominator of the group will do it for them.

All they need to do is give us enough rope to hang ourselves.

the lowest-denominator of the group

The whole group.

and the internet gives them all equal voices. you wouldnt listen to the ranting man in dirty clothes stumbling through an alley, but give him an internet connection and a username and hes just as credible as anyone else

Glad someone else is on the same page. If there's indeed anything shady going on, this seems like the most likely use for those ads. Ridiculing sandy hook deniers seems to be a narrative favorite.

https://youtu.be/3uwZ7W-xqp4

Except that many of the Sandy Hook parents are literally actors with IMDB credits and no evidence that they actually had children.

Fuck. Off.

You Sandy Hook deniers are almost worse than the fucking holocaust deniers, at least they can blame their idiocy on racism.

I like how you responded calmly and were able to lay out your logic and reasoning for why you think these people are not paid actors.

Just kidding, you resorted to childish name calling, most likely because you don't have any actual facts to support the government's story.

No actually the name calling is appropriate, because Sandy Hook truthers are truly the worst people ever. There's no saving them, with or without logic. It's been tried. So it's best just to point and laugh.

It's certainly a lot easier to call me names than it is to produce evidence of anyone dying at Sandy Hook.

You've been presented with evidence. You reject it. You are incapable of distinguishing good information from bad information.

I'm just here to point and laugh at you.

You've literally presented no evidence whatsoever.

At least give me a link or explanation of some kind. Or is that too much effort?

The dudes correct.

Fuck Off

😂😂😂😂😂

Looking through your comment history is hilarious. Hillary can do no wrong!! Vaccines are great!! The government cares about us and wants us to be happy!!

Thanks for the laugh mate

Conspiracy theorists have done really convenient outs, I tell yea. Every retarded or abhorrent thing they do can be blamed on some attempt by the powers that be to discredit them.

The awful truth is these false flags do not mean the events don't actually happen. They do. And many innocent people die. It just means there are ulterior motives backed by sinister people.

I can't think of a recent event where anyone seems to have actually gotten hurt.

Obviously it would be better and easier for all involved to not actually hurt people.

While I certainly can agree. It looks like people died on this one. I would need some evidence to show that it's faked. I do hold out that will surface we are only few hours in. I'm sure there will be weeks worth of investigations.

The NWO is angry. They are not getting the WWIII they want. Their quest for a one world currency is being side stepped by the BRICS. So them killing innocents would not surprise me.

Plus. There were calls for crisis actors in Vegas just recently. So. We shall see what that turns out to be.

That was 100% bullshit. Please come back to reality.

No it isn't. I was responding to a very very deep conspiratorial belief that it didn't happen. I don't personally believe no one died. I believe it happened in full and it was planned and another False Flag to push gun control and marital law. Now go back to your vanilla reality of "good" and "evil" and when you wake up and realize that reality is fucking horrifying join us on r/conspiracy.

Funny how gun control and martial law never actually happen, isn't it? Almost like that narrative is absolute bullshit.

There is no NWO. Nobody is gunning for WWIII. There is no 'quest for a one world currency.' There are no 'crisis actors.' You have fallen into a massive world of bullshit claims that are absolutely not any semblance of reality. Please come back to reality.

Lol. That last paragraph I've read quite literally a hundred times. Word for word. So. I assume there is agenda behind you. But. Who knows.

Yes. There is a NWO there have been many references by numerous politicians about it. No i am not doing your homework. Get them yourself they're everywhere.

Really? So prominent bankers calling for cashless society and movement toward continental currencies/world reserve currencies aren't a step towards a world currency? Why not? Makes sense. I'm all for a one world currency. Just not controlled by the NWO.

Bullshit claims? Like operation north woods? Operation paper clip? USS Liberty? Going back further the Nazi false flags to justify the invasion of Poland?

Grand connection? Jumping to David Ickes thoughts that it's "all connected"?

It's a mass shooting that when objectively looked at is kinda crazy. That's all.

You may not yet be a completely lost cause. Please seek psychiatric help.

I'll be alright. Thanks. Made a great deal of money off of the shooting due to gun stocks and the general market rally. Life's pretty great if you know what's up. Hope you hedged your bets. The elites do it all the time.

Please share proof of the calls for crisis actors in Vegas.

It's actually in the post that you're commenting on. Didn't think to read the links? Or are you guys on full damage control on your latest botched false flag?

Exactly. If you doubt the US government would kill civilians to push an agenda, look up operation northwoods, then keep in mind who put a stop to that plan.

Innocent people die from cancer, heart attacks, and muggings gone awry. Not at Ariana Grande concerts, Christmas markets, Sandy Hook, Eagles of Death Metal shows, etc.

I love that you state this like it's a fucking law of nature. People die EVERYWHERE.

The awful truth is these false flags do not mean the events don't actually happen.

Then it's literally not a false flag.

Yes it is. A false flag is something that happens but is used to push another hidden narrative. The action happens. The narrative and what actually happened is kept secret to produce whatever the planned solution to the initial planned problem was.

You're either new to conspiracies, a useful idiot or a government shill. Which I doubt. But hey they're everywhere nowadays.

Yes it is. A false flag is something that happens but is used to push another hidden narrative. The action happens.

Here's the actual definition:

The contemporary term false flag describes covert operations that are designed to deceive in such a way that activities appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them.

And it's derived from pirate ships flying different flags to get in close before attacking.

Saying "the action happens" is such a cop out. You're now covering all the bases here.

Also then you're admitting the gunman did indeed fire from his hotel room and suicide prior to the police breach. A real false flag wouldn't go down like that.

You're either new to conspiracies, a useful idiot or a government shill. Which I doubt. But hey they're everywhere nowadays.

Ahh personal insults. The last refuge of the weak.

I've been on this site much longer than you have. But my profile history does show I was recently arguing in r/Israel so I must be a paid lizardman.

Oh my lord. You guys are terrible at this. Instant response times. Goes right for Israel and the Lizardman. Perfect reddit formatting. I don't believe Jews run the world lol. So. I dunno where you're going with that. Your argument is so bad and literally makes no sense as I presented no information saying this is a false flag.

Simply pointing out to the poster people do die in "false flags". I'm not sure if this is a false flag. I have no evidence. But I did add actual discussion explaining a bit about false flags. Which is bad news for you guys over in the Air Force bases. Or whatever you serve. Haha. You're losing. You guys botched this one.

I don't believe Jews run the world lol.

How droll. Send someone who does then.

Yea it may be truly ugly, but crisis actors and media propaganda distort the reality. Oh and sometimes it is fakery / magic show.

This one, its too early to tell, based on what ive read so far

I don't see any conspiracy here like I almost immediately did at Ft. Lauderdale. How the media tries to spin it is a whole different story.

That was hoax as fuck, just like this is hoax as fuck. The shill response to this nonsense is IDENTICAL to when the Orlando HOAX nightclub "shooting" AND the morning news live TV "shooting."

Learn how they react and you can readily spot the staged hoaxes as they occur.

What red flags are there?

Hahaha you people are seriously fucked in the head.

How they act? Everyone responds differently when in a crisis. What's the "normal" way to act in a situation like this?

Thank you! It’s almost like these people are trying to illusion themselves by saying it’s a conspiracy

Very few people have access to weaponry like this.

What do you think the correlation is between the CoD ad and this shooting? Do you think the entire country music concert was filled with crisis actors? Was the shooter hired to fire a "fake" gun into a crowd?

I'm honestly wondering why people think there's a link here, this was a pretty major event with very wide visibility.

I'm honestly wondering why people think there's a link here

Because they are desperate for this to be a conspiracy/false flag.

Imagine being so delusional you abandon all empathy and start frothing at the mouth during global tragedies at the prospect of it being a false flag attack propagated by the Illuminati. Absolutely disgusting.

Orlando was. Omar matern is an actor. Full imdb page playing security guard/policeman. Listen to his 911 call. 100% scripted.

Orlando was.

I'm listening

Omar matern is an actor. Full imdb page playing security guard/policeman. Listen to his 911 call. 100% scripted.

No, there isn't. There is an IMDB page for Omar Mateen quoting articles from the Los Angeles post, New York times and the USA today.

Listen to his 911 call. 100% scripted.

Not an actor. Just because you think it is scripted based on pure speculation doesn't mean it is. Try looking up the definition of confirmation bias.

CHeck the wayback machine it was scrubbed.

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt1939753/http://imgur.com/RP7RG3n

He's an actor playing his part as para-military.

Hello, I'm a bot! The movie you linked is called The Big Fix, here are some Trailers

I mean, it is a conspiracy. A meeting of the minds to do something illegal or immoral. Apparently the shooter had a female accomplice. Only takes two.

Why would they need to? Even if it was false flag, any crowd will do. The only person needing hired at that point is the shooter... Hiring crowd members for something like this seems completely pointless. Even counter productive, because it opens you up for questions...

You do not understand yet that they are not Interetested in hiding anything.

Once you come to terms with the fact that they want you to know own..then it will make more sense

I'm sorry if I do not believe habitual liars.

You can go ahead and do so.

I think you completely misunderstood my comment.

i wonder if the same people would be pushing it if the shooter was muslim...probably be a bunch of 'religion of peace' posts

In the thread at the_donald, a couple of users tried pushing in that direction.

I think the theory is that the actors are used to pose as witnesses and victims for the news in order to set a certain narrative during the aftermath of an event such as this

Sinple: the Craigslist ads are all faked from 4chan or this place. The way to prove them would be so ridiculously easy yet magically no one has. We've had a few people try and claim they had a friend who got replied and just like the supposed posts looking for people it's all unverifable claims and imgur posts. This place refuses to accept that mentally ill and/or fucked up people do violent thing sometimes, and until it does it will remain a laughingstock.

They are most likely fake, false flages themselves posted by the alt righters in advance of political protests so they can "find" the "Smoking Gun" and claim those Antifa protests are all fake.

That post was made around the time of DACA protests being organized in Las Vegas. Likely nothing to do with this.

Or the posts are made by people who know alt-right people or conspiracy people will pick up on them and make the claim that there are crisis actors.

You have to look at the result to determine who is most likely to be behind it. The result here is that conspiracy people look crazy. So the question to ask is who would be motivated to make conspiracy people look crazy?

It's called poisoning the well.

if you attended one that was legit for a false flag. once you knew enough you'd be in a position that revealing what you knew could kill you. so you may end up begrudgingly having to take part.

You could just put your own ad on craigslist and tell the people that respond youre going to do a mass shooting hoax and watch how fast you end up in jail.

What is with that 21 y/o girl celebrating her birthday talking about? Some lady told her she was going to die 45 minutes before the shooting? Wtf??

Link?

Yeah what???

https://twitter.com/ryanmckinnell/status/914755192444272640

Damn. If this girl is accurate it would mean venue security had an accomplice in custody 45 minutes before the shooting began.

Who says she was in custody for the remaining time?

I'm not, wondering if it happened at all.

for real. Theres a good chance security thought she was just some nutjob and all they did was toss her outof the venue.

I have a feeling the security guys are second guessing themselves big time.

I have a feeling the security guys are second guessing themselves big time.

I doubt they're second guessing themselves even, security throws tons of people out of every concert, I doubt they take the time to interrogate everyone being disruptive.

Youre probably right.

Okay but after what she said was true, you would think they would think there was some substance to what she was saying.

After the fact, yes, I'm sure the authorities are very interested in the exchange. I mean that at the time, the security guards did their job exactly right.

Threatening to kill somebody is not disruptive.

To be clear, I'm only speaking from anecdotal experience but these guys haul off the disruptive people so fast and so efficiently that I doubt they actually ever speak with or hear a word from the people they're throwing out. They would never have the opportunity to understand what is wrong with the person they remove before hauling their ass on the sidewalk.

What? If you had a chance to stop mass murder as part of your job, and made a decision that let it go on - even if it wasn't your fault, that suit would haunt you.

Yeah it's weird but I wonder how many concerts get crazies stating stuff like this.

I work part time doing stage power and lights. You would not believe how often some religiously insane lunatic shows up at shows preaching doom and gloom for those attending.

Usually,such people get removed. Especially if they are bothering other customers.

Yeah, I'm not surprised.

Enough that it would be reasonable to learn that she really was a crazy and the events are unrelated.

Guessing this is the woman they are currently searching for, she shared a room with the shooter.

She was cleared.

Was she not actually sharing a room with the shooter? Or she was and was still cleared?

She says 5... Not 45.

And if she's not, it's total horseshit and a waste of everyone's time.

According to the nbc news article i read the shooter had a female roommate theyre still searching for. In the same aricle they claimed they searched his room but "It was not immediately clear what kinds of weapons were found."

I keyed in on that last bit she said, not knowing if she'll be safe on a airplane tomorrow. I'm just being a conspiracy nut today but out struck me as strange. Wonder if something will happen tomorrow too.

At multiple points when I was in vegas I was told I was going to die for my sins and other bullshit.

It is vegas

People are always saying this shit to people

You leave your house?

why wouldn't I?

I think he was mocking you.

didn't do a good job did he?

I suppose if it didn't hurt your feelings then perhaps not.

I've been waitting for this argument to emerge from the crazy wing of the religious people. Thankfully, I haven't seen it yett.

Pat Robinson got the memo

i go multiple times a year and have never been told i'm going to die....

Yet this 21 year old was told she was.

Both are anecdotes. I guarantee you that there are tons of people who have been told that they will die for their sons while in Las Vegas. I'm from fucking Boston and get told that by the religious weirdos occasionally.

She didnt mention sins or anything religious though.

She said the lady was being so menacing and threatening about it that they left the show early.

True. But was this concert a paid admission concert? I understand all the weirdos on the streets doing it. But a woman actually paying admission to get into a show and doing it seems unlikely

While it's awesome that you haven't experienced that, it doesn't make what the previous poster said any less true. I've lived in Vegas for almost ten years now. I don't often go to the Strip anymore, but I've been approached by people saying similar things. There are legit nutjobs all over The Strip at any given time.

Normally they are religious crazies that say you're going to burn in hell. However I've been told numerous times by random people that I would die that night.

Sometimes it comes from someone who's had too much to drink, others from someone who gambled a little too much and want to ruin your night. Sometimes it's a homeless person that you didn't give cash to. In all cases it's largely ignored.

It definitely happens. In this, specific, case though, the woman just happened to be right.

Yes but this girl said the lady was saying they would all die "tonight." Completely different.

you really have two choices

1) she knew about the mass shooting. Very unlikely.

2) she just randomly rants at people, and gets pissed off.

i mean if your crazy and randomly tell people they are going to die tonight. . it is spooky. My son (Aiden) is 5 and he has said such things "Daddee you will die tomorrow" and he gets yelled at.

I never died

this lady got lucky

I can confirm this. Las Vegas might be the poor mental health capital of the USA, it both attracts and makes crazy people. I worked there for a while last year in a capacity that required much contact with Las Vegas residents including homeless, my life was threatened on an almost daily basis. I was also offered hooch on an almost daily basis, not on the strip mind you but at public libraries, stores, and movie theaters by complete strangers.

Out of all the hundreds of shows I've been to I can't recall ever been told I'm gonna die by a crazy person. Crazy ppl like that usually don't goto shows randomly. Maybe this show was free admission and ppl can just walk in off the street but a rational thinking person who pays for a ticket to get into a show isn't gonna spew some nonsense like that around

yeah, the more likely course it is a giant government conspiracy and this person knew of it, and they decided to randomly yell at people, like a crazy person, so no one would notice or care.

Been to Vegas numerous times because I have family there. I have never encountered this.

Your N of 1 (and my N of 1) is insignificant other than it can occur to an unknown frequency - but the fact it happens is all I needed to point out.

Source please !

This was the strangest aspect I've seen of any of this yet.

They believe the woman was Marilou Danley, I had her facebook up earlier, but now it looks like they took it down.

0 personal information, just a few pics, it did show recent checkins to Mandalay Bay on 9/18-9/19

Linkedin shows she worked at a casino

I believe she has now been arrested.

Sherrif just said during a press conference that she was out of the country and is no longer considered a person of interest. Paddock was in possession of some of her IDs, possible used them when checking into the hotel.

wait so youre saying the "Youre all going to die" lady was using someone elses identity?

Did you see the interview with the girl who told that story? That was a drunk mexican lady that got into it with some chick in front of her. The mexican chick was with her boyfriend and the 2 of them were kicked out for being belligerent. It's at that point she said the line. I think it's just an effed up coincidence.

No, "You're all going to die" lady was just a random crazy person. Go to any event with 22,000 people and you will hear a crazy person yelling nonsense.

Paddock was the shooter.

ohh gotcha. thanks for clarifying. I was going to say thats some sophisticated shit

Recent check ins? Wonder if they were scoping out the shooting potential from the hotel rooms?

I don't know, but the pic of the shooter going around was pulled from Facebook, I checked out all her pics, but I didn't think it would get shutdown so fast.

That Facebook is fake. Only 6 friends one of which is another of her pages?

It sounds like he/they had been there for a while in the same room. It would take some time to get all those guns and ammo into the hotel without raising suspicions. They probably weren't all compact little M4's either. Measuring on google earth the shorter shots to the venue was still 300 yards.

But on the other hand, that's a lot of fish in a huge barrel. Spray and pray would still be devastating.

Good point. Wonder how they smuggled all the kit in.

She was out of the country. This is wrong.

He's flat out fabricating lies just to further a conspiracy. Wtf.

That would certainly be a first around here!

Stephen Craig Paddock, 64, dob (04/09/1953) - Registered democrat (Florida), Antifa member and Satanic cult member. Girlfriend Marilou Danley (filipino), dob (12/12/1954), height (4'-11"), Weight (111 lbs). Worked at Mandalay Bay. Stockpiled weapons in room 126, 32nd floor. Earlier said, "people are going to die tonight." Read more at https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d52_1506944699#md5YZDHXoYsUOoJq.99

Antifa & Satanic connection? I haven't seen anything on this yet, source?

Source please pal?

This I guess?

Seems legit

Antifa member and Satanic cult member

There is nothing backing this up. Let's just look at the facts right now.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for peddling such inaccurate bullshit.

A news site claimed she was confirmed out of the country...I wish I could remember which one, I've read so many articles.

I can't help but believe a 21 year old on her birthday is too drunk to be considered reliable. Probably got in a small shoving match and got threatened while drunk and the story kept changing in her mind as she got more and more attention. Her hamstering probably went from "she said she'd kick my ass!" to "she said she'd kill me!" to "she said we'd all die!" to "She was the terrorist!"

According to the Daily Mail article, the woman was also saying THEY'RE ALL AROUND YOU and you're going to die...

Was that the accomplice marylou'?

When did she say 45? I know she said 5, but unless there's more interview, she didn't say 45.

The video linked to my comment shows her saying 45 minutes.

Sounds like typical Vegas homeless people bullshit more than anything honestly. Have the people scaring others saying random cringeworthy shit

Google "louise rosealma". Same girl...

Gun control. CIA have been trying to get gun control restriction for so long, and this is how they intend to do it.

CIA has discovered a while back that mind control involves trauma. By orchestrating (through operatives) or sometimes LETTING these mass shootings happen, it inflicts a psychological shock wave into the minds of millions of people. And while they are in this state of shock and panic, the CIA and media will happily push the gun restriction narrative.

Search up Operation Northwoods, it was same style of mass-event tactic.

Look at it, it's working. So many people are posting things like "ban guns", even thought it's totally against the constitution. The CIA wants to ban guns because it does not want any civillian guerillas or anti-governments to form in the future, in response to the criminal activities & political interest of the US-CIA government.

Look at the pattern of CIA policies. It deliberately allows the formation of terror groups such as taliban, al qaeda, and ISIS. It funds both sides of the war in order to create mass chaos and subdue civillian population into psychological submission on reliance on government policies. As a justification, the US military will invade here and there, steal resources, possibly traffic humans or drugs. Oil stolen from Iraq, Opium stolem from Afghaistan.

Do politicians know about this? Of course. But they are all blackmailed puppets caught in compromised sex acts. They cannot do anything.

The CIA is utilitarian. It does not give a shit about morality. And if you must know, the earliest CIA researchers were Nazis who were brought in after World War 2 through Operation paper clip. They were the ones who invented Trauma based mind manipulation and mind control.

If the CIA wanted this, don't you think they could strong-arm some key Republicans into supporting gun control laws? They're capable of orchestrating all these attacks but can't get Joe Bob (R) from Texas to vote for the "Obama takin ur guns" law? This is fucking stupid.

No cuz then republicans would then lose votes. What they want is the civillians to push republicans into making policy change, therefore the people wouldn't be able to blame politicians once they regret banning guns.

Pushing on republican into voting gun control wouldn't change the opinion for gun control by the masses. US citizens as a whole would only abandon gun control after repetitive traumatising events such as mass shootings.

These are the words of a person that only knows what conspiracy sites tell him about the government.

Oh really: are these conspiracy sites?

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00965R000100150073-8.pdf

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/603490/US-secret-terror-attacks-plan-revealed-CIA-operation-northwoods-video

Mk Ultra was definitely real and happened. That is not representative of anything else you said.

And the Daily Star? Yes, it pretty much is.

"One witness claimed she saw a woman pushing to the front of the crowd with a man yelling "THEY're all around... You're all going to f***ing die today".

https://www.thesun.co.uk/.../las-vegas-shooting-marilou.../

Sounds like a CIA operation.

First of all, you post the worst sources imaginable. I saw the actual interview with the birthday girl. A different girl and her boyfriend got into an altercation with some people and said, "you and your friends are all going to die!" and was escorted out. This all according to one 21 year old girl. Stupid shit like that happens at concerts everyday. If that even happened.

Literally nothing about any of that says CIA. Try apply even the slightest bit of logic to your thinking and tri to have a little bit of respect for the people who just died. It's wild, retarded, unfounded speculation like what you're saying that creates paranoid killers. Congrats on making things worse.

It's people like you that gives government so much power to get away with shit. The less you question everything around, and foster doubt in society, you become just another mix into the chemistry pot for the new world order.

This guy that shot up 100 people had no fucking motive to do so. Except that he disappeared or 6 months, and targeted trump supporters at a country music festival. CIA brainwashing.

Disappeared for 6 months? He had talked to his brother over the last several weeks and bought his mother a walker.

If someone thinks one theory is fucking retarded that doesn't mean they question nothing. It means they think you're putting no actual thought into what you're saying and SERIOUSLY can't discern between reputable sources and bullshit.

https://squawker.org/politics/4chanvegas/

Couple of things.

First of all, the dude was wrong about everything except the city of Las Vegas. Literally everything else he said was inaccurate.

Secondly, if you frequent 4chan, someone says something like that more than once a day. Every single day, more than once. You're smarter than this.

how is all of this more believable to you then just some dude snapping and killing loads of people? im honestly surprised these mass shootings dont take place more often. and i definitely don't believe theyre all just made up. humans are fucked up and do fucked up things. especially when guns are involved, its very easy for delusional people to just point a pull a trigger.

"One witness claimed she saw a woman pushing to the front of the crowd with a man yelling "THEY're all around... You're all going to f***ing die today".

https://www.thesun.co.uk/.../las-vegas-shooting-marilou.../

Sounds like a CIA operation.

1. you just linked the sun
2. that lady never said "theyre all around." every single witness who heard her, said she only said "youre all going to die."
3. there was only one shooter. everyone who actually knows about gunshots (not saying i do) has said that there was only one shooter firing in all of the videos, all of the "extra" shots are echoes.

Sounds to me like the girl and her friends were in the front row, the woman pushed her way to the front, the people already there said "WTF BITCH!!!" and then she said, "Fuck you, you're all gonna die tonight!!!". She has no connection. Just drunk and talking shit.

This is what I was thinking as well too, especially since whenever these shootings happen everyone and anyone has some sort of "useful information" that ends up having little to no relevancy when the facts are sorted out. Sucks that so many people think of these kind of events as a false flag simply because they don't understand how much misinformation is spread by the public/officers in the initial hours after.

I remember during the San Bernardino shootings someone mentioned an explosion a few blocks away being a terrorist explosive device, but eventually it was discovered someones water heater exploded miles away.

Still, found this to be an interesting quote in the moment.

Shooter's girlfriend that the police are looking for.

I wonder if it was the guys wife who they are still looking for who told them.

Edit: nvm I read the rest of the comments

I heard from a thread on T_D she may have been a prostitute who was in the shooter's room beforehand, but somehow got kicked out of the hotel. No conclusive evidence though

Edit 22 man.

This is fucking terrible guys.

That image fucked me up. She had dreams, friends, family, beliefs, ambitions...a life. Now it's over, forever.

Welcome to r/conspiracy. This is likely prosthetics or a crisis actor. Look beyond what you see...just helping you out since your account is only 12 days old ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

Jesus you people are pathetic. The blood hasn't even tried and you're already banging the false flag drum.

Yep, we are indeed at r/conspiracy. Are you lost?

This didn't used to be a place where we claimed people didn't die in false flags. People didn't say that about 9-11. It started with Sandy Hook and now it's every single one. It was a dumb theory then and it has never been a good theory.

In fact it reeks of disinformation spread by alphabet groups to divide the conspiracy community and make them do insane shit like harass grieving families and turn the public against the idea of conspiracy theories. You are feeding into that and hurting the cause by supporting these nonsense ideas.

Crisis actors and staged events are definitely real; thinking the government wouldn't dare perpetrate one goes against the information we already have about government conspiracies.

In this case, however, there's literally no data that has surfaced suggesting this was staged.

It could very well be a false flag (the radio scanner activity last night told a vastly different story than the media narrative), but it's seriously doubtful that people were just LARPing their injuries.

Crisis actors and staged events are definitely real...

Definitely? Do you have a single piece of proof that would let you use the D-word? Because I've read a shit ton on the subject and I definitely would not say they are definitely real.

I don't think the government "wouldn't dare" use it as if it's such a heinous tactic. It's just a horrible tactic that would get them caught immediately. It requires you to ensure that everyone in the chain from victims to EMTs to doctors to funeral directors and morgue workers to all be involved in this fraud.

False flags make sense and have occurred because they can involve only people who work for military and intelligence agencies to pull off. Crisis actors hired off of Craigslist? Emergency workers and hospital staff? If you just think about it for a second you can see it would never work.

Crisis actor agencies are a real thing, they're used to run simulations for LEOs to hone their tactics and strategies.

http://crisiscast.com/

A group like this, in combination with a coordinated and controlled media narrative, can easily be used to manipulate the public perception just as well as an actual incident.

The problem is that after Sandy Hook and the countless investigations into the data, the public has demonstrated that simulated tragedies won't pass a legitimacy test without adequate documentation and logical consistencies.

Yes. I am aware that crisis actors are real. Like I said, I have read a shit ton on the subject. A group like that could definitely not be used to manipulate public perception about an actual incident. There are too many uncontrollable factors involved.

There is no proof that crisis actors have ever been used to simulate anything. There's not even solid evidence. The best you have is a grieving father who was caught laughing, which people do at funerals all the fucking time, and some people who have conflicting stories about a high stress day.

You guys never respond to the complicit emergency workers that would have to be involved because there is no answer to that. It makes these things impossible. It doesn't matter if the media was 100% government run, which it is not.

implies you couldn't hire crisis actors to play the role of the emergency personnel

site in question specifically states they offer these services

EMTs, cops, fire fighters, nurses, doctors. These injured and dead people are being pushed through the entire casualty management system. We're talking dozens or hundreds of people interacting with each injured or dead person. None of whom blow the whistle.

How in the fuck does a crisis actor company manage to replace a giant segment of society who have worked these jobs for years or decades with actors with nobody noticing?

The whole point of faking an incident is that no victims pass through any area hospitals, because there are no victims.

And you don't think all the area hospitals are going to find it suspicious if no victims show up when 50 people die?

Shut your mouth.

As usual. Reached the end of the line already. You're out of arguments because you theory makes no sense. I can go all day because mine is an easy logical argument.

You want to talk 9-11, I can go all day on how that one could actually be a conspiracy. It actually makes sense. This crisis actor bullshit is just embarrassing. Stop wasting your energy.

It's all real.

Nothing is real.

Fucking go outside dude. Shit happens out there. You are not well.

I'm your prophet, whether you like it or not.

Because it would be so difficult for a crazy guy to open fire on random people. It just HAS to be a false flag right?

Possible, but I would definitely not say "likely"

You really think they scattered 400 people in the crowd with prosthetics for their injuries and all of them are going to stay quiet and all the cops and EMTs are also going to join in on the conspiracy? Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

Again, you are here at r/conspiracy. Yes I stand by my statement 100% and you're welcome to form your own opinion - nobody is forcing you to believe my point of view.

Check out "Crisis Actors" and "False Flag" events and see where it takes you. Supposedly 260+ people were injured in Boston but that has never been verified.

So you think nothing like this ever happens?

Yes, I know where I am. I can't stop you from pushing these conspiracies but I do genuinely feel that they are hurting the community. They are pushing our community to attack family members and giving the media ammunition to attack all conspiracy theories by lumping them in with these ridiculous ones.

I have looked into the crisis actor theories. I've looked at all the photo evidence of the Boston Bombing with the hoodied man and people supposedly dumping fake blood on each other. I am not convinced.

Once again. The amount of people necessarily involved in these conspiracies would be enormous. You're talking about every cop on the scene, every EMT on the scene, every firefighter, every nurse, every doctor who saw these "fake" injured people. Every single one of them would have either have to be fooled by the fake injuries or agree to go along with the conspiracy. It is literally impossible. It's not just implausible it could not have happened. Not without a single person whistle blowing.

You are wasting time and energy on a theory that could better be spent on something plausible. Spending more time on Building 7 or JFK would be a better use of your time.

Did anyone hear, when there were less than 9000 listeners, before Zebra 20 was in the stairwell leading to floor 32 - when someone called in a man in fatigues walking into an RV, possibly with a gun and everyone basically ignored him?

Not to mention, did anyone hear from Zebra 20 after he was called to SWAT base by "Ghost"?

Are these recorded/available at the moment?

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/21038/web

Any way to get to an archive without having to pay for a service?

Any way to get to the archives without have to pay for a premium service?

https://soundcloud.com/alertpage-1/initial-radio-traffic-las-vegasnv

Thank you!

after they breached the room, there were definitely more automatic firing in another location on broadcastify, maybe cops but very odd if only 1 shooter as this was probably 40 minutes after the breach and confirmation of 1 suspect down.

Is it in that hour record from above? Have a time for it? I've heard the same reports to, on several occasions (and I could could have sworn I heard something when I was listening live as this was getting updated) but can't find the audio.

no, it's not on that one it stops before the breach. there is a longer one I'm sure... there has to be a recording of the full thing.

Times are a little skewed from switching between tabs but I tried to pick out the important shit and translate as best I could.

At 6:00 an officer says he is "a floor below automatic fire"

10:32 they reached the 32 floor, and waiting for backup "there's only two of us"

14:30 officer says concert goers think there could have been three shooters.

16:00 mandalay bay 32 floor room # confirmed shots in room

17:00 Says shots fired at 29th floor as well as 32

17:20 coming out onto 32 floor

18:20 confirmed two shooters

19:30 officer advises to others to lock their vehicles citizens are trying to grab their shotguns

30:00 officer says shots have not been heard for about 15 minutes

32:00 team on 29th floor and 2 man team still in stairwell of 32 floor

33:50 clearing west wing of 32 floor

34:00 two strike teams moving into mandalay

34:38man in fatigues and a black bag seen getting into a white rv at a motel 6 near Tropicana.

Asked to repeat immediately after and it was.

35:50 civilian stole a patrol car (lol) 36:40 being overrun by people trying to take patrol cars

38:00 think it's most northern room of 32 floor, still unsure about 29th floor

39:10 20+ casualties in standing area of concert

42:00 need units at Tropicana for a "possible"

42:50 posted outside rv at Tropicana

44:00 confirmed room 135

44:35 second team radio in to meet two man team on floor 32

46:00 in stairwell at floor 32 two teams contact

47:00 in the hallway of floor 32

48:20 zebra one on floor 31 holding at stairs leading to 32

Aaaaaand end at 51 and some change without anything else going on.

Idk pretty interesting to hear but anticlimactic. Man in fatigues never got any closure so that's still a curious thread to pull on.

I don't know the codes they use so I could have missed some stuff.

some other interesting stuff:

0:36 - "Coming from upstairs, upstairs Mandalay bay... halfway up... upstairs Mandalay bay... halfway up."

2:00 "Do we have anyone covering the south-west corner between Mandalay bay and the venue?"

2:20 - "Can you tell me where its coming from mandalay bay"

3:05 - "Shots are coming from gate 7"

3:15 "We have a rifle deployed... were trying to see where the shots are coming from"

4:41 - "Its coming from the 50th or 60th floor, north of mandalay bay, its coming out a window"

4:59 "I'm seeing multiple flashes in the middle of mandalay bay on the north side, kind of on the west tower but towards the center of the casino, like one of the middle floors."

at some point in this audio they have a guy come on and say something about the house of blues and you can hear gun fire in the back. I wonder what it up with that or is HOB close to this place?

House of blues is in the casino on the ground floor, same side as the broken windows probably right beneath them.

35:50 civilian stole a patrol car (lol)

i know this isn't a joke, but i actually laughed at this one

I heard that info too. Man in fatigues going into an rv and swat chased by a ghost.

Is "ghost" code for somthing?

Im not sure. I was thinking undercover.

Hmmm, odd

Its all very odd. Theres a huge discrepancy in the amount and lengths of shots. 10.08pm was first dispatch. 11.13 or 11.15 they blew up his door. Officials say 4 or 5 bursts, singers there say at least 12. There was a man in fatigues going into an rv dispatched, but is being ignored. This dude doesnt really fit the profile....neither did oswald. Remember?? Remember during sandy hook the tracked a guy in cammo into the woods and nabbed him? But never explained it???

Oh yeah man, I know. This smells of something.

Hes the oswald of the new millenium.

Ghost = Spook = FBI?

Yup. Not much else to add, just wanted to confirm you are not crazy.

You're on /r/conspiracy, you're all a bunch of fucking nut jobs.

Why are you here then

Because it's been linked on a bunch of other subreddits pointing fingers and laughing.

Yeah, a bunch of other subreddits were pointing fingers and laughing when some people on this sub were saying that Nashville was racially motivated. Then they found a note in his car talking about retaliation for Charleston.

God forbid we have one sub that questions the narrative.

Fight the good fight.

Cutting edge material right there!

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/21038/web

Holy crap. I think I was listening to it. Was it around the time some guy was whispering erriely?

https://soundcloud.com/alertpage-1/initial-radio-traffic-las-vegasnv

can you give a timestamp?

Found it, 34:45

Well it is vegas, lots of people have guns here and wear shit like that. If you are planning or part of a shooting, you wouldn't wear camo, you'd want to blend in.

24:00ish. TOWER is reporting multiple people running across the actve runway! HOLY SHIT. that sounds like Djibouti not a first world country.

25:00ish. black chevy denali peeled out of parking lot.

Yes also wondering what happened with the blacked out truck that went screaming out of the parking garage.

Edit 14 and 16 don't work...

And about a half dozen others.

So because an ad was placed for crowd work we're using it as evidence of crisis actors?

And people here wonder why conspiracy theorists have a bad name...

Why the ad hominem? Try and stick to the argument. It's relevant only when it's been demonstrated to be so. Justify the correlation between the ad and the shooting

You want me to believe that a company operates hiring crisis actors without bothering to change their name for each incident, without any of the "actors" spilling the beans?

Or is it more likely that the company is legitimate and put out ads all the time regardless of where a major event happens or not

Obviously the former

/s

Why the ad hominem?

Because it's a weak argument.

Also it's funny that he bought the tweeted screenshot of Craigslist when people are saying that's a common 4chan troll made just for the lulz.

(Original comment posted by OP) The ad was put up by Crowds On Demand. COD is the same company that had ads up in Orlando before the Pulse shooting, as well as ads before the Boston Bombing. Type in “Crowds On Demand” in the r/conspiracy search bar. You’ll find plenty of info on them.

from the initial videos i suspect there were two shooters. the first initial firecracker shots I assume something from maybe an mp4/5 cause it was faster then followed by the AR.

Apparently another woman was involved, but was not found in the hotel room

"brigading" - like what may I ask? Also, can I ask about your edit 29 - what do you think has happened?

Look at the amount of people online

It's called reddit.com/all

They cannot sit there and say one minute that there was only ONE shooter at Mandalay and that he wa s working alone....

When thousands of people have been listening to the scanners and have all heard the same thing. I believe they lost the fucking shooters and are trying to downplay.

Oh and now there is all of a sudden a possible 2nd suspect. I THOUGHT HE WAS WORKING ALONE YOU FUCKTARDS.

Being honest though, if these guys are genuinely trying to figure out a situation as dire as this, I'm sure there will be changing story lines as everyone is caught in the craze trying to piece together what's happening and how to stop it.

This happens all the time though. Right after a shooting happens, people panic and begin seeing shooters everywhere. People mistake police for shooters. People mistake people running away from the shots as shooters chasing others. People get confused where the shots are coming from and assume they're coming from multiple directions. That why like 99% of the time there's a "multiple shooters search", it turns out to be a lone gunman. It's not a red flag - it's typical.

Fair, but the strange thing is that no one picked up any mention of a single shooter and suddenly MSM is all reporting it simultaneously.

I think there's a distinction to be made between someone (who has a reason to create this hypothetically) intentionally pulling down to one shooter and the media doing it, the latter of which can happen both with and without agency.

As a side note, if there was a entity (that I'm assuming is of a profile that would require some semblance of secrecy and would prefer for this to not be questioned, so basically not natural terrorists) performed these shootings simultaneously in multiple places, and the game plan was to just say "one did it lol" as their game plan, that would a comically bad plan. Further I don't really get why they'd pull it down intentionally, it seems counterproductive to what I imagine someone would like to portray imo.

I'm not saying there haven't been comically bad plans, just saying its more probable (four hours after it happened, ofc) that its the media pushing it with or without agency, just based on all of this and how much the media falls over themselves for the number of reasons they do

As a side note, if there was a entity (that I'm assuming is of a profile that would require some semblance of secrecy and would prefer for this to not be questioned, so basically not natural terrorists) performed these shootings simultaneously in multiple places, and the game plan was to just say "one did it lol" as their game plan, that would a comically bad plan. Further I don't really get why they'd pull it down intentionally, it seems counterproductive to what I imagine someone would like to portray imo.

Isn't that how you execute an operation and blame it on a cut-out/fall guy?

Draw your cutout into a group, come up with a plan and then convince the cutout he's the guy they're invested in performing the operation. Only the operators know the guy really can't be counted on, so there are backup/secondary operatives who guarantee the mission goes down. The whole thing is planned so that the cutout is nearly guaranteed to get killed, thus making the "lone gunman" narrative impossible to question and the conspiracy's evidence dying with the cutout.

I'm not saying this actually happened, but since this modus operandi can be applied after the fact to nearly every lone gunman shooting, it becomes kind of standard conspiracy theory logic.

Okay, so here is how it works because /r/conspiracy has very strong opinions without knowing jackshit about any of this works.

People confuse SWAT and heavily armed officers for additional gunmen; in the campus stabbing a couple months ago or whenever that was, there were reports of multiple gunmen there too, even though it was just a dickhead with a knife, for the exact same reason.

Same reason why there were reports of gunmen in adjacent casinos; visibly armed cops clearing the area, civilians call them in.

When the police kill the actual lone shooter and suddenly people stop dying, and they tell the press, of course everyone reports on it simultaneously.

These "strange things" have reasonable explanations if you just think for a second. Every fucking time, /r/conspiracy leaps from ignorance to grand fucking criminal conspiracy.

Gunshots also echo.

There's also potentially hundreds calling police/talking to media etc. recounting their version of events. It takes time to figure out all that information. It's also better to assume worst case and act on their being multiple shooters just incase.

Not just that, if i was LE, id announce we caught the only suspect while the investigation starts for the remaining accomplices.

They weren't expecting full auto fire though. The sound of those rounds going off was like a youtube video. Just praying and spraying mag dumps. When one is getting shot at, I imagine it sounds like the whole world is shooting at you.

Lots of crimes get crooked down in the record to "one suspect." For instance, the Son of Sam murders.

Berkowitz definitely had accomplices.

This early in the stage of the investigation, they will be getting a bunch of misreports, uninformed people reporting, just a complete cluster fuck trying to be the 1st to report something.

They are trying to relay as much information as they can, some of it will be incorrect.

According to the Daily Mail article, the woman was also saying THEY'RE ALL AROUND YOU and you're going to die...

Well as far as anyone knows some bad guys broke into a hotel room and killed the guy inside and used it as a base. We really don’t know anything right now.

14 works now but not 16... it's probably my phone

This is bizarre. There is all kinds of info flying on the scanner, and there have been at least 3-4 reports of shots fired that were recanted. The police sound confused. This sounds like complete chaos.

We've been listening also, and feel the exact same way.

anyone ever think its weird that unemployed low intelligent people are the first to pick up on craigslist ads- i dont think they would be crisis actors in something like this and NOT keep their mouth shut about it to all their friends.

"Hey guys, i wuz an actor at this event, not real but dont tell anybody ite g'night fb."

Your probably right, not like the government has a problem killing people elsewhere. If it is a conspiracy it would be a false flag where they hire a gunman or recruit a crazy guy and give him a gun then shoot a bunch or real and innocent people because hiring a army of people to fake a whole attack would cost a lot of money, and why would the elites actually care enough to hire actors instead of the alternative.

person on FOX news just said HIMSELF announced 15-20 people dead?? apparent fireman

Serious question; If they are using machine guns, shouldn’t the death toll be in the high hundreds by now? Seems like the death count is very low for multiple machine gunners... which of course is good, less death the better, but it strikes me as odd, the videos posted sound like a war zone 😔

Would be miraculous if this "2" number they keep saying holds, at least 100+ shots fired into a compact crowd of 30k, most wearing short shorts and tank tops, no cover in general.

I'm seeing at least 20 dead, so utterly wishful thinking to hope otherwise.

Sheriff just said during the press conference that they're looking at 20+ dead and 100+ wounded. Apparently there's video somewhere of a girl talking about a woman coming into the front row about 45 minutes before the shooting started saying that they were all going to die.

Bad times!

Any further news on that women!! That’s shocking, clearly in on it. The shooters will be killed, as always, but she could be picked up for interrogation, preferably enhanced!

Here it is skip to 5:08

Thanks.

So security got her, but did they detain her? Who was working security at the event? G4S, if conspiracy is to be had

The concert venue may have hired contract security but Mandalay Bay security is in-house

Las Vegas is full of people saying "you're all going to die/judgment is upon you" etc etc

A broken clock is right twice a day.

This isn't a video game, depends on the rounds used, the distance, and what they hit prior to hitting a person. There are a lot of people injured.

Far distance and lack of knowledge on how to actually shoot a automatic probably. Plus death toll is 22 now, probably going to skyrocket over night as people die in hospital or are found over the next few hours.

Possible. I’m from the UK so haven’t fired a gun, so I cannot speak on shooting difficulty. Would of expected the shooters to be competent. Blessing they are not, I guess

We're lucky.
Competent people rarely go off their nut and shoot places up.

And when they do they're usually surrounded by other competent people. (like the military base shooting a few ? years ago.)

there is also a video of dan bilzerian running from the scene. its on worldstar

I thought he was a tough wannabe marine haha.

He did try to join the SEALs at one point

Twice I believe, and one of the times had a broken leg as I recall.

Internet tough guy. You wouldn't run when somebody next to you gets shot in the fucking face? Grow up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLU-oq2A4mw

Bilzerian as an eye witness confirms that this is not a false flag. He could have been a little less callous in his narrative regarding the deceased.

He was definitely in shock

I mean, I'm trying to leave out my already formulated opinion of him. He is no stranger to heavily armed warfare.

Yea I don't think he was in shock. I think he wanted to be able to help more than anything.

If I were in that situation I'd be ecstatic if he was present. The guy is apparently one hell of a shot and isn't afraid of shit.

Oh, totally. Leaving some of his choice life moments out of the equation, he seems like a fine dude. I'd certainly be honored to fight alongside him if ever there is a fascist coup d'etat. All that said, given his Trump endorsement, his legal trouble involving his violent and bizarre antics, but also considering and weighing in the historical genocide of his own Armenian family genocide at the hands of fascists, he's kind of a mixed bag politically speaking, so I'm not certain for which side he'd fight.

Not a false flag CONFIRMED!

Illuminati confirmed!

The fact that some poker playing male celebutante was there (and stupid enough to grab a gun and go back) doesn't mean anything.

That's all I'm saying.

No, it means he's a total badass! Haha, no I'm thinking this is nothing. Dan I mean.

It doesn't mean anything to you.

Yeah, he was also 400 yards from where the shooter was. You could be a foot away and not know what's going on. That doesn't tell you anything about whether it's a false flag or not. I'm not suggesting this is a false flag, but if there are dots, we should be connecting them.

He was a Navy Seal. He saw her brains.

Yeah, I’m not a conspiracy guy, but I’m definitely a connect the dots guy.

The dots have been connected. The dude killed himself. You don't buy it? Will there ever be massacre where we accept the official FBI release? I blame J. Edgar Hoover, who as its founding director undermined its reliability by manipulating its trust to target and harass Americans, our celebrities and our most prominent civil rights advocate. No one has trusted them since. Comey? Out with him. No good. Sad. Mueller? This guy is breaking my balls!

Let's start calling them manufactured opportunities.

A rich Jewish man telling you it "DEFINITELY" isn't a hoax. Totally believable.

A random internet conspiracy theorist spewing racism. Totally surprising.

Is he NOT Jewish?

Not the thousands of other people there, too? lol. You people are fucking loony.

Just because people died doesn't mean this wasn't a false flag, you're misunderstanding the term.

Whoever said that above me didn't mean false flag, what they meant was "fake." They were saying that since he saw it, it was real. I should have corrected OP. Ole boy thinks the government stages this shit and errbody's OK.

Yeah, regardless of whether Sandy Hook was faked or not, I think the public has made it clear that we are looking into the details here and will expose inconsistencies we find.

They're definitely not going to try and fake something this huge.

And don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying this guy couldn't have been influenced by a state actor. I do think that's extremely unlikely but not impossible.

No, I meant "false flag" on the basis that government won't stage an event that requires murdering 50 Americans.

9/11 wasn't about gun control, there's more than one reason to engage in an attack like this.

Maybe they wanted to accelerate the growing division amongst our people?

How does his presence confirm that it wasn't a staged event with 50 dead Americans??

He is purportedly an eye witness. Take it for what it is worth. It means little to me, but it might be vital to a legitimate investigation. Ask yourself what it might mean to this community, commonly intent in their formulating their own independent opinion, despite the widely accepted information available to them, as was the case in Sandy Hook, 9/11, etc.

Are you just putting words together in sequence? What I'm asking you is why you take his presence as an eyewitness to mean it couldn't possibly have been a government-sponsored event.

I don't think it's a false flag. I don't think Sandy Hook was fake. I don't think 911 was rigged. But your conclusion isn't supported by the record.

I already answered your question. Apparently I can't persuade you with the little amount of information available to me.

You didn't make a coherent statement. I'm sure you think you explained something. My question to you, then, is why are you sitting there saying it's disproven if you will readily admit you can't disprove it with the information you have? Think before you speak.

While concise, my statement was plenty coherent and that you disagree with it doesn't make it nonsense. I merely stated my opinion as I'm free to do under the freedom of expression you so dearly claim to value while lashing out at those with whom you disagree. You think before you speak. Hurr durr. You sound like my dead, condescending father. Don't have children.

Re-read what you posted. It doesn't contain an answer. It's just words.

I answered your question before you asked it. I guess there was no point in you asking your question or even continuing discussion, since it's all apparently just nonsense.

take your meds

You're out of line.

LOL you changed it from "you're an asshole." OK, let's try this again.

Your ORIGINAL POST was "DB's presence confirms this is not a false flag." You claim to have subsequently answered HOW his presence confirms it is not a false flag. You have not done so. I'm not even really interested in your response except to the extent it stirs you to the realization that you can't derive the background of the event from some instagram celebrity's presence.

There is no point in replying. You will only continue to attack me and try to bait me into getting a ban. I'm not going to stoop to your level to engage in your battle of ego/wits over a stupid disagreement. Keep it civil.

Patently irrational

Exactly, 911 was a false flag.... and look at the blood and bodies from that day.

I don't misunderstand the term. I simply don't believe it was a false flag and even if it didn't persuade anyone here, today, I still expect that the typical gun nut community will value the eye witness testimonial of Blizerian and their gun nut ilk. Also, Blizerian didn't use the term at all, so you're mistaken there.

No, you were mistaken in thinking Blizerian's word means anything here.

Blizerian can't confirm anything other than that people were killed.

I was referring to your words here, "Blizerian is misunderstanding the term." Blizerian did not use the term at all. I alone used the term in my own persuasion. Just because it doesn't speak to you doesn't mean no one is listening.

You were completely wrong and you need to delete your comment.

Oh, opinion is fact now, I see. According to you, opinions are objectively wrong and you should also, on that basis.

I said, delete the message.

Blizerian can't confirm shit except that he saw someone die.

I said, "no you," in so many words.

Delete the cocksuckin' comment.

You sound like a revisionist.

Not a phrase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_negationism

Delete the commeeeeeent.

Don't blame me. I target my comments accordingly.

Odd thinking this isn't a false flag because Dan said so.

He didn't "say so," he only quite tactlessly claimed to have seen a woman's "brain's hanging out."

You do realize a false flag can have real victims?

Yes. Is the emphasis meant on "can?" Certainly, it is possible, I acknowledge. To use your rhetorical tone, you do realize that no U.S. led false flag has had real victims?

I believe the USA has taken part in various false flags with real victims.

Also, do you have any valid proof that substantiates your story ?

I trust the FBI release on the matter due to lack of any valid proof that substantiates any alternate narrative, such as a false flag. Also, I wouldn't haven't seen this reply if I hadn't checked the context.

Good job for checking the context brother!!! You are much smart. Def Ill stick to my story and wait for any proof that substantiates any story... so far we haven't had that from the FBI and tis there job to tell us the truth govnnnnaaa. Check mate, eat a dick.

The press release is the proof. It's up to lawyers and concerned citizens like you to use FOIA to get anything more. Also, keep it civil.

The press release is not proof. I've been on a mission using FOIA to get Marijuana related info, and come on FOIAs are a joke, if you don't want to eat a dick, don't. I'm not force feeding it to you.

Keep it civil... seriously? What makes you think a printed paper means its truth?

FOIA wasn't a joke when it exposed the FBI's own founding director as a tyrant who manipulated the FBI and abused their power to for a widespread harassment campaign against American celebrities, the civil rights movement and against the best interest of black Americans. Hell, even the FBI can't claim the FBI is a good thing, so I'm right there with you, man.

Was he seriously coming back with a gun? The cops would shoot him dead.

I don't think there were cops on the scene while he considered it in this video. After reaching his hotel room, he updated that he went home, that he knew he couldn't be of any help.

Did he claim that he "got one of the guys" after he went and grabbed his gun?

In this video? I didn't hear him say anything like that. He was early on the scene so maybe he had a chance to be a first responder, but when he got back to his room he realized that SWAT was already handling it.

God, anyone read the comments on that video?

It was on hus Snapchat. I was veyond confused seeing that tgis morning. And then hearing about the actually event.

You alright?

Seems a little fishy...

From Dan Bilzerian Wikipedia:

• His father was a corporate raider on Wall Street who set up trust funds for both of his sons.[17][18][19] Bilzerian entered the Navy SEAL training program in 2000; however, after several attempts, he did not graduate. He was reportedly dropped from the program for a "safety violation on the shooting range"*

Hmmmmm.

if im not mistaken, i could swear I hear more than one automatic weapon. it doesnt sound like any M-16 or AR-15. Its much heavier. I believe during the second volley of fire you can hear yet another weapon.

There is definitely more than one gun firing. It can't even be an echo because the reports are different in length

I've read somewhere that they found multiple automatic weapons when they breached the room, seems like that would explain it if they were multiple different guns.

His rate of fire changes even within the same ... fire cycle? Not sure what the term is, but as he's unloading whatever he's firing you can hear a variable rate of fire. Points to bump firing to me.

With the weird varying rate of fire Im gonna guess it was a bump fire stock, or a shitty conversion that was able to run away when it got too hot and out of spec.

even more telltale is that you can hear two different rates of fire.

Two different rates of fire can be accounted for by echoes and the "crack" of the bullet followed by the noise from the gun firing.

The rate of fire is not consistent. And it's not winding up or down. It varies through.

Most likely this is due to the bump firing technique others have posted about. It involves removing your trigger hand front the gun and locking it in place, then using the recoil and reboot of the rifle off of your shoulder back in to the rigid trigger finger to fire another round.

I'd never heard of it before last night. But in watching a video of it it makes sense to me that this is probably what you're hearing. The placement of the finger, the movement of the body as he fires and adjusts aim, could all create a change gun's recoil travel distance altering the rate of fire.

its a cheap at-home mod anyone can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AolqBfdILg

Bump firing my dude

Sounds like a helicopter man.

That's because the sound is echoing off of the tall buildings

Bull.

Definitely just one gun man

^never heard an echo

And the bullet impacts all around.

If that's the case you should hear an echo of every single shot. Granted there is almost a second delay between the shooter and the point of impact, some of that sound overlaps as it bounces off of buildings at varying distances. What I'm saying is you wouldn't hear shot, shot, shot, shot, echo, shot, echo without hearing 3 more echos afterwards. 1 shot, x echos. But it will always be the same multiple of echos, unless a few skyscrapers duck for cover.

Bullets also make a cracking noise as they fly through the air, it is from them moving faster than the speed of sound. You will hear that before the actual gunshot.

I definitely heard more than one.

Yeah echos add to the effect but I thought you could hear 2 distinct patterns. Its not a high rpm gun slower probably a longer action say a 7.62x51 round. He probably switched between loaded guns but the weird part was they both sounded FA. If this was done with a bumpfire device then that market is toast.

It's called an echo.

TIL echoes are a thing

Can someone explain to a "normie" who this is and the implications?

he's just some rich cunt from poker but once a while ago I heard he gets paid by some elitist to push the agenda of being a pimp or someshit

He got his money from his dad. His dad got his money by being a crook. Spent time in federal prison for it.

He could be president someday with credentials like that

He ran for president. He also endorsed Trump. :\

So Jared Kushner?

So what? Fuck the government.

He's a trust fund/inheritance kid who lives a public "wish you could be me" lifestyle. Poker happens to be one of the ways he fucks about.

There is conjecture he uses poker as a way to explain away having money he gets from less than legal means.

I only even know that much because his shit shows up in various social media feeds. He's basically the equivalent of a scuzzy male kardashian. Fuck the whole lot of them.

He's a famous socialite. He's basically a male Paris Hilton and there are no implications.

He's also a Bitcoin investor who is at least partly responsible for the recent rise in price. It's worth considering that he may have been a target, however implausible that may seem.

You can take a few things from this but mostly this man is a really rich social media mega star who knows a lot about weapons.

He's such a tool.

He may be a douchebag.

But any training about an active shooter can be summarized as, run, hide, and fight.

He is doing the first one flawlessly. You can't render any sort of aid if your dead.

I carry a glock 22, I don't care what kind of handgun anyone might have been carrying, you aren't hitting a guy on the 32nd floor of a hotel from the ground, nor would you try because you'd be firing rounds into people's hotel rooms for one, not to mention you should be running your ass off away from the sounds of fire.

Exactly. What he should of been doing nothing else than running away. What doe peopl expect him to do.

Exactly. It would be completely moronic to return fire. He was doing exactly what he was suppose to do. What are people expecting him to do.

Everyone thinks they are a hero, I imagine they have metal detectors there which is what makes people sitting ducks at big events. I'd assume a lot of that crowd (especially country fans) carries guns, but probably left them in the car because of security, even if they all had guns, you'd be insane to return fire at building with thousands of innocent people and likely be shot by police or certainly arrested.

As pro-gun I am, I don't condone carrying firearms at a concert. Mixing hundreds of people, confined spaces, alcohol, and energetic young men with guns is not a good mix. Carry a gun requires great responsibility and self-awareness, and determining when/where it is and is not is part of that responsibility.

People never understand when I try to say this about bars as well.

Seriously. It would require a much, much more serious weapon than you are going to have on you to try and fight back. Run, hide, and wait for the professionals to get it sorted.

Except for maybe Jerry Miculek

You open carry with that thing? More of a glock 23 kind of guy myself.

ideal conditions in a stress free environment you STILL arent hitting 32nd floor with any accuracy.

OMFG Run, hide, fight, fuck that shit, why are soooo many people receiving this asinine training.... and if you guys are receiving this training how the fuck does a concert instruct people to stay still during an event like this? running over barriers, so stupid... the bigger story here is how is that this could happen. sad.

How is he a douchebag? Dude is just living the life we all wish we could and he's pretty damn good dude overall.

Throwing women off of balconies. Endorsing Trump.

Yeah I'm sorry but anyone pretending they'd stick around to go fistacuffs with a shooter while selflessly body shielding a crowd of people is fucking misjudging themselves. What kind of cunt shames someone for trying to save their own life?

You hear gunshots? You flee. Judge the actions of others when you too have experienced that type of chaos.

He may be a douchebag.

Sorry, but what does your opinion of him have anything to do with what happened. He's a celebrity, have you ever met him or done business with him?

of have

Done. Thanks!

-run, film selfie footage for followers

I'm so confused because I watched that video, he was just on the news and his narrative on the news doesn't match this video. He was in his vehicle driving home and on the news he is saying he saved his buddy that was shot and transported 4 wounded in his truck and one died in his arms. What really makes me wonder, it is completely different than this video where he talks about a womans brains falling out. Idk, but its disturbing me. The whole thing is sick.

Link?

Haven't there been several posts in the last month or so mentioning Craigslist crisis actors posts for the Vegas area??

Yes, you are correct in both regards. There were multiple posts about craigslist postings from a company called Crowds on Demand in Las Vegas and it was speculated by many here that those postings were for crisis actors for a planned tragedy at the McGregor Mayweather fight. Seems this could fit the bill too.

can you link that? I mentioned see it in comment below and recanted when couldn't find it. Now I have some asshat razing me for it.

It was over a month ago at this point. I have no idea how to find those topics, but searching for "Crowds on Demand" along with other words like "conspiracy", "Vegas", and "McGregor Mayweather" may help. I used this search on google and turned up a few examples, like this r/conspiracy thread that includes a screencap of the group's craigslist post.

You can also search "Crowds on Demand" without Vegas and notice how every single post corresponds to the location of a major political rally (there are literally hundreds of posts in every major American city). Those posts are made by alt-righters in advance of their Nazi protests so they can point to it and say "look! Soros plants!" when liberals show up. It's a fake false-flag.

So, a flag?

i didnt archive it or anything, but i saw the ads while they were up and even applied to one, but i didnt hear back.

Of note: multiple postings claiming to be from CoD, none of which corroborated it to actually be from the company and not just trolls (spoilers: anyone can po st a Craigslist ad saying they represent a company). Skepticism is the strongest tool we have.

To think that anonymous actors picked up on Craiglist would be professional and discrete enough to cover up a false flag shooting seems... Delusion.

this is why i can’t buy these theories. old outlaw saying that the only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead

You assume they want to.keep it a secret.

revealtheheirachy

Its clearly an attempt to damage the more sensible accusations of facilitation, by association

You realize..you are saying something is impossible..that governments have kept secret and admitted later on?

You believe that normal people are quick to blow the whistle yet history proves this is not always the case.

What are some examples?

Of note..real ads for this can be Made as well.

Skepticism is our strongest weapon.

But..please..continue to believe the little tv box..it has all your answers.

Do you really think people would participate in a fake mass shooting for $20/hr?

I said they were thought to be hiring crisis actors for a planned tragedy. In other words, they'd be hiring people who would be interviewed on local news immediately following the event. I never said they were committing the terrorism themselves, nor has anyone else I've seen. That's a really funny strawman you built there.

I did not say they were committing terrorism. I said they were participating

You ignored the question. Do you really think there are people who answer ads on Craigslist to pretend to be victims of a mass shooting?

Why do you need a crowd of actors when you can just make the tragedy happen?

may I ask what a crisis actor is?

check out ole dammagard on youtube for interesting theories on the subject.

A crisis actor is /r/conspiracy's go to explanation for just about any sort of emergency situation. Shooter in a nightclub? "They're all crisis actors". Plane flies into a building? "Crisis actors".

Its just a bunch of neckbeards who are in denial with whats actually going on.

Well yeah, it's /r/conspiracy. Denial of reality is the bread-n-butter of this subreddit.

If you think theories like these are just limited to reddit, then hah. These types of theories are rampant all over the web.

Nice hastey generalization.

I think jumping to crisis actors is a bit more hasty.

Only few are, hence hastey generalization (judging an entire group based on the actions of a minority).

This is sad, to me. There are countless "players" (not crisis actors) who play around with this world like it's their very own sandbox. Just about all of these schemes revolve around controlling, containing, limiting, and dumbing-down the masses. There are billions of dollars up-for-grabs for just about any agenda out there, and these players? They all run their schemes without a single care if you live or die - these are megalomaniac, psychopaths. There are true maniacs running this planet.

So yes, when something unusual happens - which has significant legal and financial implications, a rational first question is: was this just a crazy person? Or was this a game of one of those psychopaths of one of our psychopath owners. Not only is this a reasonable question, it's been documented history for as long as history has been kept. There are countless examples of false-flag attacks. These lethal "games" have been going on for a long time. And yes, getting back to "crisis actors" - they have been used in every one of these events, and are a required element. So, if you find a crisis actor, then you have a small bit of evidence that this may not be what it appears to be at face value.

Or, we can just go your route - sit in front of MSNBC, zone out, and take everything they say as fact... right?

Why are you even here then?

I enjoy exposing the delusional mindset of neckbeards, thats why.

Edgy.

That comment alone makes me hard because it shows you had no rebuttal considering you know I'm absolutely right. Thanks!

Is that the argument you are going to keep posting? Many come here to offer a dissenting opinion.

I am here to discredit conspiracy theorists because I am being paid to do so by a shadowy wealthy lizard person high up in the government

Nice hastey generalization.

I do think the whole "crisis actor" bullshit in the conspiracy realm has been hand fed by the groups that benefit from making these places seem insane.

If we only had real conspiracy discussion here, it would be too easy to convert a lot of people and make them understand how much actual fuckery, documented, undeniable fuckery has went on and still goes on in this world on a large scale.

But if we mix in hologram planes, crisis actors, flat earth, etc, it discredits everything and makes most people want to keep far away so they are not branded a tinfoil hat nut.

I'm sure 5% of the people here really believe the crisis actor nonsense, but since 95% of posts talk about it, I have to assume that there are other forces at work to insert this so heavily into every good thread.

https://youtu.be/3uwZ7W-xqp4

Actors who are paid to act as though they have just experienced a shooting or something of the like. The Sandy Hook parents are actors, and not particularly good ones. They can be seen multiple times laughing and joking about the "death" of their child.

I find it curious that there are users in this thread actively trying to downplay the notion of crisis actors, which in the case of Sandy Hook has been proven beyond doubt. I'm not at all saying that they have been used in this incident, merely pointing that users who want to attack people in regards to Sandy Hook theories may not be entirely trustworthy.

crisis actor was originally a term for people who worked with police, emergency services, military and security services organizations doing mock-up training drills of horrific situations like plane crashes and mass-shootings.

their job is to scream and cry and fake-bleed everywhere and generally act like anyone would in a high-intensity, crisis-type event, to allow the trainees the chance to get a feel for what actually responding to a school-shooting or something ACTUALLY feels like, irl, and to be able to perform more effectively when it happens, because they know what to expect.

its a legit job, and it has some crossover with the actual acting profession, in that it pays better than being an extra, and requires similar skills.

at some point, some bright spark came across a casting call, and decided that crisis actors were actually actors being hired for media-covered events that were fake (((false flag))) operations being pulled off by obama/elitists/jews in order to manipulate americans in one way or another

the usual target for these allegations are tied in with gun rights, so the sandy hook massacre right, was a "false flag operation" cynically engendering support for obama to destroy the second amendment, and all those distraught parents you saw crying on the news?? they were "crisis actors" taking money in order to destroy your right to bear arms as a proud American patriot.

well and good. well.. unless you're a grieving parent

the bit that gets me, however, is that the US government has NEVER been shy of killing people, either foreign or domestically. That they would even consider such an unwieldy and falsifiable method as inventing a bunch of children to fake-murder, forging birth certificates, staging a massacre at a school, getting the reporters involved, having a bunch of fake funerals, and then paying the parents crisis actors for the rest of their lives to keep up the pretense when they could just have some crazy fuckwit go in and ACTUALLY shoot up a school??

you know what governments care about more than gun laws?

MONEY.

You know whats cheaper in America than pensioning off a bunch of "crisis actors" to keeps up some facade??

BULLETS.

Came here to see the shit-show of inevitable idiots clamoring over weak ass claims, was not disappointed.

That said, you're probably the only person here making any sense.

I will never understand why so many people here will reach for the most convoluted, complex, difficult explination when there exists ones that meet the same ends but is far simpler and believable.

Why are you here then?

Came here to see the shit-show of inevitable idiots clamoring over weak ass claims, was not disappointed.

Just because people have come to divergent opinions doesn't mean everyone is crazy.

So what is your belief, all knowing, omniscient witness?

I have nothing against questioning authority and the official accounts of events, but when the vast majority of those types of comments here are based around a method that can be dismissed with a half-effort of critical thought, the claim of "crazy" seems to stick. Wanting so badly for this to be a thing that simply logic is dismissed... is crazy.

Seriously, the comment I originally replied to actually makes sense, and I don't have many reasons to say why I'd conclude it absolutely isn't wrong.

The others.... a child has the capacity to explain why they don't make sense.

Oh okay. So you're subjectively drawing the where you want, without any sort of substantial proof. That's called a confirmation bias. You see them as intellectually weak simply because you don't agree with them. Cool, good to know that's why you're here: to try to shit on people.

You don't even have the truth. So please shut the fuck up and let people discuss what they want and how they want to.

"The others"- dude you're so full of shit. You're just looking for comments that confirm your view while dismissing others as 'crazy'

You really don't now more you're just here to put yourself on a pedestal and make fun of others for what they went to believe in.

Go somewhere else honestly! You're a fucking troll.

I'm pretty sure your "bright spark" was Alex Jones.

You're aware that people use those kinds of services for like...everything, right? Movie fillings, reality TV shows, grand openings. Fucking youtubers put out Craigslist ads for crowd extras. Y'all are reaching high to think there are hundreds of average Joes hiding entire plots of mass shootings for some money. Crisis actors are always the weakest thread to follow in these mass shooting posts.

You are talking to a bunch of people who think Sandy Hook was a hoax/hired crisis actors. So, no-they are not 'aware'.

At least 4 Sandy Hook parents literally were/are professional actors/actresses

I am very interested in Sandy Hook being a false flag; do you have further information / sources to support the Crisis Actor Parent claim?

https://youtu.be/t922i3bDHXw

I just watched this last night, Sandy Hook definitely stinks

I never saw a lot of this. Great video! I didn't even know about this guy. He explains so much of the skepticism of what went down that day and why it's so hard to accept the official story.

Yeah same, I found it in r/conspiracy of course. Really interesting that it's so convoluted.

What's it like being stupid? I've always wondered.

That doesn't imply they're "crisis actors" who helped invent the death of their child.

When they are in more than one tragic event..thanks it's suspicious.

Bit yer way to awesome of a skeptic to even care

LMAO so your theory is that they orchestrate these entire scenarios and reuse actors? Why is the Illuminati always just dumb enough to get caught out by totally awesome skeptics like you?

Because they know there are enough people like you that it doesn't matter how sloppy or terrible they are at this stuff. It's why they get away with everything they do.

Why not just hire another actor though?

But don't they know there are people like you Blowing It Wide Open? It seems like an extremely easy thing to avoid if you're going to all the trouble of pyrotechnics, fake social media, video editing, etc.

Yes they do. Most of the people "blowing it open" are also part of the deep state as well. They always control both sides. Eventually this will all be common knowledge and will be used to fuel the "revolution" that they will guide into their new synthesis.

TIL that professional actors can't have children enrolled in public schools.

TIL that Newtown is a hotbed for professional actors to send their kids to dilapidated school.

why be aware when you can be woke amirite.

Woa dude. Deep.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Sandy HOAX

Yeah who would question this

You don't know the context and death affects people in a multitude of ways. You people are literally bat-shit.

You don't know the context and death affects people in a multitude of ways.

You're 100% right, but that doesn't make someone

literally bat-shit.

to question a polar opposite reaction that goes against the grain of all human emotion. If you're not allowed to question something like that then I've got a bridge to sell.

Yes it does. If you follow real crime in a any way, people have what seem to be, inappropriate reactions to real loss every single day.

Not everyone is a inconsolable, blubbering mess 24/7.

So if he ran around kissing people, tore off his shirt, dropped to his knees and shouted 'Haleluja!' that wouldn't raise an eyebrow with you?

Yeah, I guess people who have an awareness of human emotion probably do seem insane from your perspective.

No because that would make sense from someone who has lost a child. I would quite literally lose my mind.

But, coming from someone who won't procreate, I understand your confusion.

Also; do these people think these actors are now dead, or didn't ever exist?

Because I just saw a video of people literally dying at a concert.

If you serious push this kind of thing, fuck yourself.

How cute..he believes the tv box.

Guess everyone who recorded a viral video was in on it too.

Who else is in one it?

How cute, he believes that "people" exist. It's only me and the lizard people here.

Wrong subreddit for logical thought on cover ups.

You are aware that it's just presented as a possible connection?

No, any time we decide, anything is fake!

Good catch.

This is what is making me so sad and horrified right now. The fucking Craigslist crisis actor ad. Holy shit our country is dirty. Lord have mercy, this is foul from start to finish.

Crisis actors are paid hourly and would definitely not be part of some huge cover up. Too many people to leak whatever "conspiracy" you think is going on here.

For sure Craigslist ads are irrefutable evidence. It's not like anyone with a phone number can post those. Oh wait.

There is some SERIOUS collusion here. Why is this thread not being upvoted? We need the freshest information possible

The reason is it was posted Sunday 3am East Coast. It's also the reason it's completely missing from the Front Page. I just got to work and hearing about this now, shit's insane.

There is some SERIOUS collusion here.

Between whom?

20+ killed 100+ injured. Wow.

50+

double those numbers now

Quadruple injured...

"I think the wise among us realize what has happened here."

I'm not wise. What do we think happened?

Probably that this was actually some mercenary team that's gunna slip away and and they're gunna blame it on someone like BLM to further stoke racial tensions

So it's obviously just another rouse to flip our eyes?

"Obviously" is extremely disingenous at this point. People who desperately want to connect any dots will do so, but no one truly knows what happened right now.

Lots of conjecture presented as "proof" or something in this thread.

Someone with a lot of power feared losing that power. So they coerce someone with less power than them to enact terror on the American people despite lacking a clear political message to send with their irrational violence. Because terrorizing American citizens helps this sort of person maintain and expand their political power, not only over Americans but around the globe.

Does this person happen to have scrotums for eye lids?

gotta be honest, if shit like this is done by the government, I don't think the orders are coming from the president or anyone near him, much less someone like Trump (especially if we're sticking with the line that he's an incompetent fool).

I can however see deeper power structures pulling something like this off in order to push his hand. "Oh you don't want to do what we say about Syria/Russia/NK? Look at what we can do and how easily we can do it. You will obey us."

I never mentioned Trump. It's funny to me that you'd respond to me as if I had.

just realized the other comment "scrotum for eyelids" was about Soros... facepalm lol.

Trump's eyelids are pretty scrotal too. Rereading your comment without my first assumption, I'd actually agree with you.

I think it was way more likely that some guy got wasted in Vegas, couldn't sleep off his hangover and thought "fuck this noise" Pa pa pa pa..

He was 65, after sixty-five years of shit, it might not take much for you to snap and go out thinking 'I want to be remembered'. Kids like attention, if you don't nurture that good behaviour, they're going to act-out. Some people don't grow up.

First of all, it's always likely that someone snaps. I think anyone with an IQ over room temperature can figure out how to kill a lot of people if they really wanted to.

However, it is also true, and documented that sinister groups linked to and funded by our government or certain radical political beliefs are all over the internet trying to radicalize weak minded people that are in a bad place. There are many places you can go seeking answers, seeking help, seeking to vocalize your rage, where these snakes are waiting to brainwash someone into committing a mass violent act.

It could be that an angry bitter man snapped and wanted to inflict pain on as many as he could, it could also be that he was pushed over the edge by trained operatives that fed his rage and loneliness, we'll never know.

According to The Guardian:

The dead man lived locally and his motives are not known, he added. There were no explosives involved in the attack. But police used a controlled explosion to get to the suspect he said. The suspect shooter is dead but his companion Marylou Danley is still at large, according to Joseph Lombardo, the sheriff of the Las Vegas Metropolitan police department.

"Operation Gladio Patsy" that's what I read there..

I sincerely doubt he lost a lot of money in Vegas, decided to off himself, and then some black ops program decided to take advantage of the situation.

Never in my country.

What would be the point? Wouldn't Occam's razor suggest it's not some elaborate false flag?

Question everything. Don't take what they feed you at face value.

There are a million and one agendas in the world.

It could just be a disgruntled guy that lost at the tables in Vegas. He's not going to be accurate at 300 yards with a sub-machine gun, but with a densely packed crowd he doesn't have to be. 9mm is lethal at that distance, as I'm learning. But the talking heads lie to us enough that I'm going to question their story.

Okay. Still doesn't make it insanely more likely it's not a false flag.

You have to admit it's vastly more plausible that it was just a tragic mass shooting, right?

Or are you that intellectually dishonest?

The guy said that either is possible

But one is vastly more plausible right?

Why is it so hard to admit that it's most likely not a false flag?

I don't see how the evidence points strongly enough in either direction to make conclusions yet. Likelihood is not conclusive. Not by a long shot.

If you don't think that we get fed misinformation on a daily basis you're being dishonest with yourself.

Is the reporting factual? Are we going to get all the correct details?

I don't know, but dig into yourself. Just because somebody has a job at a news outlet doesn't mean you can trust them. Some of those are run by billionaires that have their own agenda.

Why do you keep bringing up non sequiter bullshit?

Just admit it's probably not a false flag. I know you can do it.

Why do you need me to admit something about a developing news story we don't have all the details on yet?

That wouldn't fly for a scientist running an experiment.

Because even without all the details we can already logically conclude that a regular old mass shooting is almost infinitely more likely than an elaborate false flag perpetrated by some shadowy non state actors.

Now we're assuming that they're non-state?

Dude, I still have doubts about 9/11.

I don't buy anything 100%. Why would I even need to?

Okay you and your mental illness are a lost cause.

Convenient that anyone that questions the official story is mentally ill.

Maybe someday we'll have some progress, and they can lock all of the sick people up in asylums where they won't bother everybody that watches the news and believes it all like good Americans should.

It'll be a glorious day when that happens.

You're sooooo woke hahaha

Why are you even on this sub?

So you are suggesting we all just take the Lame Lying Stream media (which since the repeal of the Smith-Mundt act is State Propaganda) at full faith?? Then you claim it is mental illnesses that cause skepticism of a rogue oligarchy? Brah,,.. Bro.. Seriously Brah.. You are fucking sleeping.

Have you seen the brother's interview?

That's not what it means at all

No political, religious, or sociopolitical motive, no side to point blame at, can't blame the left for lack of gun control because he used illegal guns, can't blame the right because he wasn't targeting minorities or the left. This is an odd situation. I can't see it being a false flag because there's no agenda gain in this attack.

I'm sure that there's more info to come, and there's also speculation that he used something called a gat crank for the auto fire. That would make both the weapon and the modification legal to own.

I'm going to wait for the whole story before I make my judgments, but I have to admit that the story sounded pretty out there when I first heard it.

Its weird because we almost always have somewhere to point a finger at and draw blame. ISIS, radical left or far right, white supremecists, gun control, whatever. This time is weird.

It's a perfect scenario for pointing the blame squarely at guns though. The movement to ban guns outright has always been talked over due to other factors in previous shootings (ISIS, mental health, white supremacist groups, drugs, etc.) But this time, the worst shooting in American history, there is nothing in the way and all the focus can be placed on guns themselves. It's Christmas day for the left.

Hey sorry for my non-Americanness but is shit at the point where the left is potentially killing 58 innocent people just to win public opinion on banning guns? I am super aware about a lot of the fucked up shit in your politics, but it's usually a loooooot deeper than wanting to ban guns

Hey sorry for my non-Americanness but is shit at the point where the left is potentially killing 58 innocent people just to win public opinion on banning guns? I am super aware about a lot of the fucked up shit in your politics, but it's usually a loooooot deeper than wanting to ban guns

Yeah to be honest I'm 99% sure that isn't the true motivation. This is a sub for conspiracies so those were my most conspiratorial thoughts on the matter.

ah yes, thanks man

Except illegal weapons will only further the left's attempts to make guns harder to mod into illegal weapons...by making more guns illegal. Ti's all to suspicious, it's not adding up.

Im going to say that nobody who supports trump would go and do this and shout "trump". It fits the msm narrative and each and every time a "trump" supporter does something it turns out to be a liberal cuck in disguise

What the hell are you talking about

You're fucking stupid. Why does EVERYTHING need to be politically affiliated. Shut up and wait for proper details. Jesus christ.

That's the anti-thesis of this whole sub.

Yeah but it probably is a political killing tbh, If anything MSM is going to try and cover up the fact he was liberal yet ANTIFA said they were going to start the revolution this fall.

lol. people talk about antifa like it was one group. or that they were any better organized than this sub-reddit.

Antithesis is a single word.

Well to be fair it probably was politically motivated and he was shooting at a country music concert which means he probably was mad at conservatives.

Anyway there are sources saying that he was ANTIFA and had just converted to ISIS. Just be honest with yourself.. its probably political. ANTIFA said they were going to start hurting people this fall anyway.

This is a prime example of humans being bad at statistics. You can read about this in the book "fast and slow" thinking.

They ask you to consider a male, they ask you to guess which occupation this male belongs to based on set characteristics, farmer or libertarian. all of them are things you might associate with a libertarian, well read, introverted, etc etc.

Almost everyone that takes the test says the male is clearly a libertarian, without considering the fact male farmers outnumber male librarians 10-1, so obviously, you'd be more likely to find someone with that set of characteristics farming.

What you just did is the same. You didn't consider the other factors here.

This was a 65 year old, wealthy, retired white male. This demographic is overwhelmingly conservative, if we were going to take a shot in the dark, statistically, it's more likely he's a conservative.

Here's a thought - wait for more information before you start making wild and absurd accusations, and the fact you think a 65 year old retired white business owner was somehow involved with ISIS is even more hilarious.

ISIS claims every attack that happens because they know dumb people will believe it.

Use occam's razor. Youre doing mental gymnastics to suit your bias. Why the fuck do you think he targeted a concert full of white conservatives?! Puuhhhhh-leeeaaase!

This guy was most likely conservative

He was photographed at several radical leftist protests! https://imgur.com/a/K1fe6

This is obviously the work of mainstream liberal media brainwashing people into thinking that all trump supporters or conservatives are evil racist nazis that deserve violence! It's fucking obvious!

Furthermore there were reports that apparently he made Islamic comments lately and the police were aware of him. He was also photographed in dubai.

Please. Do not be purposefully obtuse! The victims do not fucking deserve people ignoring what is going on. The liberal media is trying their hardest to radicalize and divide people.

Use occam's razor. Youre doing mental gymnastics to suit your bias. Why the fuck do you think he targeted a concert full of white conservatives?! Puuhhhhh-leeeaaase!

By mental gymnastics, do you mean statistics and math? And I'm not saying he wasn't - I'm saying wait for the actual facts. Also, that concert was full of Hispanics too. It's perfectly likely he wanted to kill as many people as possible, locally. A massive open-air music event would be a clear target if someone wanted to do that.

He was photographed at several radical leftist protests! https://imgur.com/a/K1fe6

NASA.

http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/bayarea/news/article/Stephen-Paddock-9313322.php

this is the guy from that paper, should we copy paste some of it:

Stephen Gorham Paddock, Jr., 71, of Colorado Springs, passed away on January 24, 2013. Steve was born on July 28, 1941 in Cleveland, Ohio to the late Stephen and Helene (McNally) Paddock. After attending high school in Dallas, Texas, Steve graduated from Georgia Tech in Atlanta, Georgia. He worked in Aerospace engineering for over 40 years and retired from the Boeing Aerospace Company in 2002. On October 31, 1964, Steve married Louise "Lou" McConnell and together raised three children.

It took me under 10 seconds to debunk the claim the shooter worked at NASA.

As for the rest of this, I'll have to wait until more information surfaces. The pictures look like a different guy to me - the nose is shaped differently, but I wouldn't be comfortable forming an opinion until the police release more.

But I don't have high hopes for your image, considering it confused a well known aerospace engineer for a mass shooter.

Use occam's razor. Youre doing mental gymnastics to suit your bias. Why the fuck do you think he targeted a concert full of white conservatives?! Puuhhhhh-leeeaaase!

By mental gymnastics, do you mean statistics and math? And I'm not saying he wasn't - I'm saying wait for the actual facts. Also, that concert was full of Hispanics too. It's perfectly likely he wanted to kill as many people as possible, locally. A massive open-air music event would be a clear target if someone wanted to do that.

He was photographed at several radical leftist protests! https://imgur.com/a/K1fe6

NASA.

http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/bayarea/news/article/Stephen-Paddock-9313322.php

this is the guy from that paper, should we copy paste some of it:

Stephen Gorham Paddock, Jr., 71, of Colorado Springs, passed away on January 24, 2013. Steve was born on July 28, 1941 in Cleveland, Ohio to the late Stephen and Helene (McNally) Paddock. After attending high school in Dallas, Texas, Steve graduated from Georgia Tech in Atlanta, Georgia. He worked in Aerospace engineering for over 40 years and retired from the Boeing Aerospace Company in 2002. On October 31, 1964, Steve married Louise "Lou" McConnell and together raised three children.

It took me under 10 seconds to debunk the claim the shooter worked at NASA.

As for the rest of this, I'll have to wait until more information surfaces. The pictures look like a different guy to me - the nose is shaped differently, but I wouldn't be comfortable forming an opinion until the police release more.

But I don't have high hopes for your image, considering it confused a well known aerospace engineer for a mass shooter. So that's all I'm comment on in relation to the picture for the time being.

This is obviously the work of mainstream liberal media brainwashing people into thinking that all trump supporters or conservatives are evil racist nazis that deserve violence! It's fucking obvious!

I see. So for example, is the right-wing media to blame for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh carrying out his bombing, they sure talked about how evil the government was pretty often, using your own logic.

Was this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting the work of the right-wing media fearmongering about gun control and brainwashing conservatives? To remain logically consistent, you'd have to say yes.

Was this bomb plot https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/10/14/three-kansas-men-arrested-terrorism-plot/92094694/ because Trump spreading anti-immigrant fears and brainwashing his base? To remain consistent, you'd have to say yes.

Furthermore there were reports that apparently he made Islamic comments lately and the police were aware of him. He was also photographed in dubai.

I'd have to see credible proof of the Islamic comments thing. But this was an interesting little tactic you used here, did you think I wouldn't catch it? After you made the dubious claim (he made Islamic comments) you said the police were aware of him, trying to make it seem as if the police said he had made Islamic comments.

Indeed, the police were aware of him, and here's what they said:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/10/las_vegas_shooting_suspect_ste_1.html

As the death toll continues to rise, the FBI has disputed a claim by the Islamic State.

The shooter who took the lives of 58 people and injured more than 500 others during Las Vegas concert had no connection to an international terrorist group.

The Islamic State claimed hours after the massacre that the shooting suspect, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, had converted to Islam several months ago.

FBI Special Agent in Charge Aaron Rouse told reporters Monday that such a claim was false.

So right here you've revealed that you fell for literal ISIS propaganda, the FBI has already refuted.

As for your dubai claim. Lot's of people travel to dubai, millions yearly.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284636/visitor-arrivals-in-dubai-from-international-destinations/

This statistic shows the number of international overnight visitors to Dubai from 2010 to 2016. In 2016, there were 14.87 million international overnight tourists to Dubai, up from 14.2 million in 2015.

So I'm not sure how him going to dubai confirms this conspiracy.

Please. Do not be purposefully obtuse! The victims do not fucking deserve people ignoring what is going on. The liberal media is trying their hardest to radicalize and divide people.

Are you trying to use the victims of a mass shooting to push your agenda here?

Do you ever feel like you're nailing jelly to a wall?

Try harder. Youre obviously going through some pretty severe mental gymnastics just so you can deny the obvious.

Some conservative media has been bad at times but never has it got to the point which liberal media has recently. Literally all of them are calling Trump supporters and conservatives nazis and racists and even hinting at punching them in the face or telling people to end relationships with them.

They have been making people paranoid and targeting weak minded liberals. Liberals are much more often people with mental disorders or personality disorders. Conservatives are much more likely to be responsible or familiar with safe handling of firearms.

Im sure at some point there has been conservative media which was bad in the same way but that was probably some fringe thing. Fox news never tells people to go out and kill people. Meanwhile we have CNN and MSNBC comparing Trump supporters to nazis and saying they are all racists and fascists which need to be stopped.

Its no fucking surprise they pushed someone over the edge finally. Radical leftism appeals to people with mental disabilities and they know this. Regular leftism appeals to people who are disenfranchised so its obvious that the media has been trying to push people to do violent acts. You are fucking blind if you cannot see this.

And I just included what Alex Jones said because i thought others might find it interesting. You can choose to not believe the part about him being islamic if you want but I still think its a possibility.

Lastly. Youre being ignorant if you dont acknowledge the most obvious motive is shooting conservatives. Why would he pick a country music concert? Maybe it turns out to be something else later but you cannot deny that the simplest explanation would be that he wanted to killed conservatives, and probably white people at that.

How the fuck was he supposed to know that their were a bunch of hispanic people there? Average person usually associates country music with white people and conservatism. Also this was supposedly an even which had something to do with christians. So maybe that had something to do with it..

Again. If you havent noticed the constant race baiting and radicalization which liberal mainstream media has been broadcasting lately you are being obtuse and disingenuous.

Again if you deny that the simplest motive is to kill conservatives because it was a country music concert you are being disingenuous.

There is an obvious motive staring you in the face yet youre trying as hard as you can to find something else to believe in because it hurts your ego to believe that liberals could do anything wrong ever.

Also just fucking google "trump supporters racist" or "trump supporters nazis" to see how the media is trying to signal to people that conservatives deserve violence. Its fucking obvious and you fucking know it.

Try harder. Youre obviously going through some pretty severe mental gymnastics just so you can deny the obvious.

I don't see you refuting a single thing I said. And yeah, someone here is going through some pretty severe mental gymnastics.

Some conservative media has been bad at times but never has it got to the point which liberal media has recently. Literally all of them are calling Trump supporters and conservatives nazis and racists and even hinting at punching them in the face or telling people to end relationships with them.

Because of course it's not like the right-wing media has been accusing liberals of being baby-murdering nazis for 15 years now.

It's not like Obama was called a Nazi constantly by the tea party, going as far to hang billboards:

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/globegazette.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/dd/9dd8f060-8e05-11df-ac68-001cc4c002e0/4c3b986e1c914.image.jpg

Ignoring the historical illiteracy in this billboard, sure seems they're comparing Obama to Hitler.

And lets not forget the abortion clinic shooting that was tied to that false claim about selling baby parts:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/no-more-baby-parts-suspect-in-attack-at-colo-planned-parenthood-clinic-told-official/2015/11/28/e842b2cc-961e-11e5-8aa0-5d0946560a97_story.html?utm_term=.1fab06477144

Should we keep going?

They have been making people paranoid and targeting weak minded liberals. Liberals are much more often people with mental disorders or personality disorders. Conservatives are much more likely to be responsible or familiar with safe handling of firearms.

Should I cite my own questionable science? How about the fact conservatives have lower IQs:

https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

Im sure at some point there has been conservative media which was bad in the same way but that was probably some fringe thing. Fox news never tells people to go out and kill people. Meanwhile we have CNN and MSNBC comparing Trump supporters to nazis and saying they are all racists and fascists which need to be stopped.

Can you please provide citation of CNN and MSNBC telling liberals to go out and kill people?

Its no fucking surprise they pushed someone over the edge finally. Radical leftism appeals to people with mental disabilities and they know this. Regular leftism appeals to people who are disenfranchised so its obvious that the media has been trying to push people to do violent acts. You are fucking blind if you cannot see this.

Funny, the media is to blame for those "radical leftists" but right-wing media isn't to blame for those radical conservatives, even though they cited the media as their reasoning for carrying out these attacks.

Fascinating.

And I just included what Alex Jones said because i thought others might find it interesting. You can choose to not believe the part about him being islamic if you want but I still think its a possibility.

Well, if Alex Jones said it, then it must be true. Alex Jones isn't a well-known purveyor of fake news or anything.

Lastly. Youre being ignorant if you dont acknowledge the most obvious motive is shooting conservatives. Why would he pick a country music concert? Maybe it turns out to be something else later but you cannot deny that the simplest explanation would be that he wanted to killed conservatives, and probably white people at that.

If you were a mass shooter looking to kill a bunch of people locally, why would you not target a massive outdoor music event, irregardless of motive?

This is not the simplest explanation, it's the explanation you want to be true so you can continue running around the internet screeching about the other tribe, making questionable claims and explaining away anything that makes your own tribe look bad.

How the fuck was he supposed to know that their were a bunch of hispanic people there? Average person usually associates country music with white people and conservatism. Also this was supposedly an even which had something to do with christians. So maybe that had something to do with it..

A music festival in Nevada? Who could have possibly suspected there'd be tons of hispanics there.

Again. If you havent noticed the constant race baiting and radicalization which liberal mainstream media has been broadcasting lately you are being obtuse and disingenuous.

Again if you deny that the simplest motive is to kill conservatives because it was a country music concert you are being disingenuous.

"if you deny my weird conspiracy theory with no evidence currently supporting it I formed after being indoctrinated in a hyper-partisan echo chamber and from watching alex jones than you're just being disingenuous!!!"

There is an obvious motive staring you in the face yet youre trying as hard as you can to find something else to believe in because it hurts your ego to believe that liberals could do anything wrong ever.

See above,

Also just fucking google "trump supporters racist" or "trump supporters nazis" to see how the media is trying to signal to people that conservatives deserve violence. Its fucking obvious and you fucking know it.

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/globegazette.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/dd/9dd8f060-8e05-11df-ac68-001cc4c002e0/4c3b986e1c914.image.jpg

Fbi hasnt debunked anything. They have a public and a private face and Alex claimed to have had inside knowledge. I dont care if you believe it or not and I'm not even sure if that part is true.

Even if the pictures of the guy in the pussy hat are not Paddock that does not disprove that this was probably a hate crime against country music fans specifically, because they are perceived to be mostly white and conservative.

I'll concede that Conservative media sometimes goes to far, like with abortion, and that mainstream media in general is designed to subvert the general population. I'll also concede there might have been violent psychos that were inspired or motivated by conservative media. But currently liberal media is objectively more radicalizing.

No question about it. They are literally telling people that they are in a war with Russia and that we must overthrow our government, and it's remarkably similar to 2003 when both sides of the mainstream media convinced people to support overthrowing Iraq's government. This is incredibly radicalizing and many users on r/politics literally think any other opinions must be coming from a Putin agent.

Mainstream sources may not explicitly call for violence but they directly call or compare Trump, Trump supporters, white people, conservatives, libertarians, anyone calling for less immigration and anyone calling for more freedom and independence (like states rights) to fascists, nazis, KKK, racists, xenophobes. The understanding is that groups like Nazis or the KKK are "crossing the line" and therefore deserve violence (like a punch in the face) or their rights infringed upon such as free speech.

Keith Olberman literally just called the NRA a "terrorist organizaiton" even though they are nothing but a group of people who defend American's right to defend themselves. Ironic because he's using projection to deflect the obvious fact that the las vegas shooting was probably a terrorist hate crime against white conservatives. Olberman also defends terrorist by insinuating that immigration does not lead to increased terrorist attacks like in Europe.

Olberman's latest vid where he calls the NRA "terrorists." He also calls Trump a nazi and a "russian agent." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBQcpRE4JS8

Can you please provide citation of CNN and MSNBC telling liberals to go out and kill people?

They don't explicitly say go out and kill Trump supporters but they are constantly race baiting and telling people that Trump is a leader of nazis and white supremacists. A common line they say all the time is that "not all trump supporters are white supremacists but all white supremacists are Trump supporters." Do you understand how this fucking radicalizes people, especially weak minded liberals that their only political opinion is they want handouts from the government?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/ordinary-white-supremacists/index.html

It's easy to focus on the angry white men in paramilitary gear who looked like they were mobilizing for a race war in the Virginia college town. But it's the ordinary people -- the voters who elected a reality TV star with a record of making racially insensitive comments, the people who move out of the neighborhood when people of color move in, the family members who ignore a relative's anti-Semitism -- who give these type of men room to operate, they say.

You see how their telling people that Trump supporters are supporting nazism and white supremacy? They are literally trying their very hardest to radicalize people without explicitly stating that Trump supporters are nazis.

''You have to have millions of people who are willing to be bystanders, who push aside evidence of racism, Islamophobia or sexism. You can't have one without the other,'' Naison says.

It's fucking obvious and right in your goddamn face yet you choose to defend it, sick!

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/trump-supporter-tattoos-associated-w-white-power-647026243948

Literally painting the picture that Trump supporters are mostly violent skin heads.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/trump-white-supremacy-nuance/index.html

Literally hundreds of pieces about how Trump was dog whistling to racists by saying "both sides." Do you understand how dangerous that is? They are calling people racists because they didnt say something. That means anyone who doesnt say the magic words is autmatically a racists. I personally lost a friend becuase I agreed that ANTIFA were violent. They are conditioning people to perceive people as racists just for calling out radical leftism or not condemning someone. Do you understand how dangerous that is? Now instead of "nigger" being the magic word which permits violence, simply not saying something will put you into the racist category.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist

All it takes to reduce support for housing assistance among Donald Trump supporters is exposure to an image of a black man.

http://www.citypages.com/news/whoa-trump-supporters-are-racist-yes-say-u-researchers/444020583

The results showed that the more voters identified with Trump, the more they tended to blame welfare recipients for their own poverty when the lead photo showed a black man.

Demonizing all Trump supporters as racists. They completely ignore people who may have voted for Trump because of economic reasons, taxes, states rights, or even one issue voters which wish to keep their gun rights.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/michael-moore-suggests-trump-supporters-are-like-accomplices-to-rape/article/2631672

"If you hold down the woman while the rapist is raping her, and you didn't rape her, are you a rapist?" Moore, a filmmaker and liberal activist, told CNN's Don Lemon. "Let's cut the BS and start speaking honestly."

CNN supports Michael Moore saying that Trump supporters are rape enablers. That is flirting very close to explicitly stating that Trump supporters are all rapists.

https://www.salon.com/2017/04/18/pro-trump-rioters-got-away-with-beating-anti-fascists-in-berkeley-and-they-likely-wont-stop-there/

A group of hard-right extremists came to Berkeley to hold a rally in support of Trump. While they are, of course, claiming that they only resorted to violence in self-defense, it's clear from the social-media organizing done ahead of time that their intention was to start a riot.

Completely ignores that ANTIFA starts the violence and that people have to defend themselves. They are demonizing Trump supporters and praising ANTIFA as non-violent actual anti fascists when we all know that ANTIFA is nothing but violent communists!

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of more examples. You see they are not explicitly saying go out and kill Trump supporters but they are putting them into categories like "racists" or "fascists" which automatically justify violence against them. You cannot deny this and it's objective fact. They are conditioning people to excuse violence against Trump supporters because they are sub human or demon-like racist or nazis.

They are telling people also that all Trump supporters want violence against minorities. This is enough for lots of people to justify violence against them or infringe upon their rights, like free speech. I've even seen the Young Turks making fun of free speech by saying the freeze peach meme.

Also i dont have time to link all the times that "The Young Turks" have insinuated violence against conservatives, libertarians, or white people but they do it continuously.

You are comparing fringe "conservative" media like stormfront to mainstream liberal media. What makes radical leftist media so insidious is that it's presented as the de facto status quo. It's presented as the mainstream reality. Fox news surely doesn't match CNN or MSNBC in terms of radicalization and people like Tucker Carlson even debate against ANTIFA members and Carlson took the position that no one deserves violence for speech. You are bending over backwards to try and defend neoliberal authoritarians that try to destabilize and dive the population.

But even "alternative" "right wing" or libertarian media often tells their audience not to incite violence. Alex Jones, who you wrongly hate so much, continuously tells his audience not to be violent towards liberals. He has many crazy listeners and they have done things wrong before but that's not because Alex is telling them to do so. And the radical neoliberal globalist media twists his words and even his supporters's words.

They made Roger Stone to look violent when he was simply warning people that impeaching trump could lead to violence. He even said that he does no condone violence! Yet the media twisted his words which then could even have the negative effect which they are criticizing!

Look how radicalizing leftist media causes people to commit violence towards Alex himself! They turn people into literal fucking goblins! There were multiple people that attacked Alex that day and this is only one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkW_x2MNf2w

So. I understand how you can say that conservative media has historically negatively influenced people in the past and they certainly have unfairly inspired prejudice against people like drug addicts, or women that get abortions. But almost always conservatives are smart enough to tell their listeners that violence is never okay, especially recently as the liberal media has begun to escalate their calls for violence!

And just because trailer trash has low iqs that ignores how conservatives usually have more money and are more successful. Billionaires are often conservatives or libertarian.

that makes your own tribe look bad... hyper-partisan echo chamber

LOL, I am a fucking liberal! An actual liberal! A classical liberal! Youre just confused because you've been subverted by neoliberal authoritarianism.

Man if you're not a troll, I really feel sorry for you. You are so comfortable in being brainwashed that all you can do is call other people out for it, even when presented with literal facts and evidence.

You have so much more potential than what you are doing with your brain. It's fucking depressing seeing someone be so wilfully stupid.

Yeah cause liberal media isnt telling people that all conservatives are evil and he didnt shoot up a country music concert? What's wrong with you? You know what the most obvious motive is.

Hi friend, I've decided to come back as more information is released, and it's starting to look like (shocking) you were wrong.

The guy was booking rooms over other large music festivals and likely had planned to hit others only to cancel them:

http://www.fox29.com/news/tmz-stephen-paddock-booked-hotel-overlooking-lollapalooza-2-months-before-vegas-massacre

Investigators are looking into whether gunman Stephen Paddock scoped out bigger music festivals in Las Vegas and Chicago - and perhaps Boston's Fenway Park - before setting up his perch in a casino hotel and raining deadly fire on country music fans.

Paddock booked rooms overlooking the Lollapalooza festival in Chicago in August and the Life Is Beautiful show near the Vegas Strip in late September, according to authorities reconstructing his movements before he undertook the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Remember when I told you he was probably just looking to kill as many people as possible and shot up the event that let him do just that?

Sure it's possible he was targeting other gatherings. It's also possible that he was a gun runner, as well as other theories. The police made a statement about how they were investigating "radicalization" so that partially confirms Alex Jones's source that said literature was found in his hotel and even pictures showed a notepad.

I know you completely discredit Jones but that's actually being unreasonable and you probably have such a knee jerk reaction because you have been conditioned by mainstream shills like Colbert or Oliver. Alex has been right numerous times and people actually do seek him out to leak information. He also has some degree of integrity even if he is known for gratuitously exaggerating and using hyperbole.

An example of his exaggeration was when he had a member of the Navy Seals on his show who said that the gunfire sounded like multiple shooters yet the Seal said that with the caveat that in an urban environment the echoes make it confusing and impossible to say for sure. The next day on air Jones said that "I just had a navy seal on who said it definitely sounded like there was more than one shooter." This is the kind of truth bending Alex is capable of but he still has an amount of integrity and rapport with his listeners.

For example he is known for famously predicting 9/11:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Hk1-BpXO8

He knew because of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US

The media actually makes fun of him for exposing things that are true: Atrazine was actually discovered by a feminine black man so idk why liberals hate it so much:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmytXKe0OcM

Also Alex Jones is not racist like everyone thinks he is hes a fucking suuuuuuuper open minded guy and got super stoned and drunk on Joe Rogan's podcast. The reason that liberals are trying to paint him as a racist is because he is just the only one with balls enough to call out radical Islamists on air. But he also features Muslims on his show sometimes and they even talk about how fucked up parts of the fundamentalist culture are. Anyway it's ironic because liberals used to reject dogma but now defend it with regards to Islam.

Anyway, my point is that it's likely someone really did contact Jones claiming to be Nevada Hostage Rescue. I can't verify his source but even Alex's employees questioned him on this while they were broadcasting and Alex has defended this source numerous times. I don't know if he verified them or not but i doubt that it was a bold faced lie. Mainstream media can afford to lie through their teeth but alternative media has to have some form of trust with their audience and Alex is ironically somewhat credible on a personal level.

That taken into consideration plus the police's statements about investigating radicalization makes me think it's likely they found some sort of literature or hints that he was into Islam or ANTIFA.

Then again that literature could have been a plant. This man could have been trying to orchestrate blame being put on Liberal media. It's possible that he was thinking about doing the same thing but reverse by attacking the other concerts you mentioned. Have you seen any of the forensic psychologists talk about this? The common theme in their analysis is that men usually have a motive, especially older men, when they do these kinds of things. His insanity could be multilayered and multifaceted.

There are also other theories like he was a gun runner. And there is no security footage that has been shown yet so that leaves a lot of questions. Apparently this guy had his own cameras as well. The whole thing leaves a lot of questions unanswered but I don't think my original theory was disingenuous as, again, the obvious first layer would be to look at the victims and speculate that he was targeting that group of people for a reason. I didn't mean for that theory to be the end all be all to this story but I think it was the obvious way to look at it from the first dimension of analysis.

Regardless liberal media, especially mainstream neoliberal media, is poignantly radicalizing and divisive. It seeks to paint conservatives, white people, or especially libertarians as the enemy. The fact they are targeting libertarians and capitalism, which in essence is just free trade, should be a huge red flag they are trying to brainwash people and get them to submit to authority, while also demonizing anyone who does not submit to authority.

Have you seen people saying that state's right's and low crime rates are dog whistling terms for racism? That is irrational and shows how scared the neoliberal establishment is of liberals realizing they would benefit from decentralized power. Trump getting elected proves how centralized power is vulnerable, like in our case, to the political pendulum. States rights would allow people to have their cake and eat it to but the neoliberals want control of the bakery.

Look at this clickbait shite that tries to lump states rights in with random racism and even tries to demonize people that criticized Obama as racists:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2012/07/top-five-racist-republican-dog-whistles

Liberal media even calls anyone against mass immigration racists or xenophobes. There are perfectly rational reasons why someone might not want open borders. Crime rates are real verifiable statistics yet countries literally do not record the origin or ethnicity of criminals to mask the fact that immigration is correlated to rising crime rates, which is especially noticeable in small European countries. It also does not help immigrants that are already in a country if that country loses stability because of immigration. The bottom line is that neoliberal politicians know that immigrants are likely to vote for socialist policies which give them more power and immigration causes a runaway authoritarian snowball effect.

Ann Coulter of all people eloquently explains this in her interview with Ben Shaprio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVIkAqwcgas

Radicalized Redditors:

Advocating for climate terrorism Cowboy Bebop style: https://imgur.com/a/bkY6X

And this account which almost reeks of trolling but the person was unironically being serious about their hate for white people: https://imgur.com/a/Bq32t

What's crazy is that these ideas are being pushed by Mainstream neoliberal media and they are promoting it as the status quo. Fox news used to be pretty bad but they never called on their viewers to impart violence on liberals and lately Tucker Carlson, their most popular broadcaster, has been promoting logic and even argues REGULARLY against ANTIFA members and BLM protesters about how everyone has a right to free speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAwvTC4YU3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwapjPz4xJg

Here is Tucker talking to Bill Nye about his comments that "climate deniers" should be prosecuted for negligence or held for mental health reasons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN5L2q6hfWo

The only right wing media which comes close to what the neoliberal establishment is peddling as mainstream, is extremist websites like storm front. Even Alex Jones has decency and tells his audience to respect people's rights. If you actually watch his show you will hear him constantly telling his listeners not to take the law into their own hands and always be model citizens, and its safe to say that since the Sandy Hook debacle, which he is apologetic for, he is careful to encourage his listeners in a healthy way and never to engage in violence. Meanwhile people like Rachel Maddow are telling their listeners that they are at war with Russia and to stop being friends with Trump supporters.

Get a load of this fucking shit. Morgan Freeman telling you that you are at war with russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2av__s-598

Remember Iraqi WMDs? How are you not having flashbacks? I feel like its a case of Deja Vu. The mainstream neoliberal media is trying to tell people to overthrow their own government (regime change) based on a false narrative which would surely result in violence and a power vacuum. Except instead of ISIS gaining control it would be brutal authoritarians enacting a totalitarian police state.

Go look at r/politics. They are literally convinced that anyone that speaks out against them are Russian Agents. I have literally been accused of being an agent of Putin many times. That's fucking ridiculous and if you don't call that radicalizing brainwashing I don't know what the fuck is.

My point is that yes, this latest shooting could be more complicated but it's still not off the table and neoliberal media is going to cause acts of violence in the future if they haven't already. And I am not some tribalist either. In fact, I am liberal, but I am the real kind of liberal, the kind that actual believes in liberty (You know word which liberal is derived from).

Liberalism actually used to respect freedom of the individual before it was fucking subverted and hijacked by actual Russians in the 1960s when the KGB planted agents in American Academia to traffic collectivism and blame the individual's freedom as a cause for inequality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

Marxism is really nothing more than rationalizing violence and theft with jealously. That is why it's so dangerous. It's the same spirit which compels people to steal from corporations or rationalize theft or violence against rich people who they wrongly perceive as their oppressors. Sometimes things really should be free like with information property but if ANTIFA had its way there would be people forcefully entering your home and demanding to sleep there and redistribute any possessions you have worked for.

If you found this post informative please consider buying some water filters or dick pills from Alex Jones to help fight the globalist: https://www.infowars.com/donate/

I'm not interested in reading your giant incoherent wall of text that seems to consist of random political declamations.

The fact is your conspiracy has been irrefutably debunked at this point in relation to the recent mass shooting.

Take from that what you will - you should ask yourself why you were gullible enough to fall for an image from 4chan that contained a claim I was able to debunk in 15 seconds.

Cool you just admitted that i win. The reason you don't like reading it is because all of it is fucking true. And if you would have bothered to look, I conceded that it's possible that he wasn't only targeting conservatives, yet I provided irrefutable evidence that mainstream liberal media is much more radicalizing than mainstream conservative media, and even Alex Jones is much less radicalizing.

It also hasn't been completely debunked and did you know that all 3 of the concert stages he targeted were facing Mecca? Did you know that the police had made a statement they were investigating "radicalization"? This corroborates Alex Jones's source within the HRT team that said they found ISIS and ANTIFA literature, although I conceded it's possible that he left that writing there on purpose and could have a multi layered motive to make different groups look bad.

Anyway I should expect nothing less from a radicalized liberal such as yourself. You cannot bare to look at evidence that you are wrong because it's like holy water to a demon possessed individual such as yourself. Or should I say it's more like blasphemy which challenges your deeply ingrained dogmas. You have been conditioned so hardcore by neoliberal mainstream media that you actually support CNN doxxing redditors that say mean things on the internet. You don't care about free speech and all you want is death to the infidels.

Just know that, even though many real liberals like myself keep our mouths shut in the workplace and such; when you open your mouth talking about how Russia "hacked" the election, or you talk about impeaching Trump or supporting neoliberal authoritarianism, we cringe on the inside and make a mental note that you are a total dumbass. You think that you are in the right and everyone supports you but there is a silent majority and the neoliberal status quo won't last for long.

And btw all your comments are giant blocks which use a bunch of quotes. Funny how you're only a fan of that writing style when it reinforces your violent dogmas.

Cool you just admitted that I won.

You're entitled to tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to maintain your delusion.

You're claiming I am delusional when you cant even stand to look at the evidence I have served you with. Anything to protect your dogma.

And no, I do not unequivocally believe I know the shooter's motive, but you cannot completely rule out radicalized liberal even if the other concerts make it less likely.

http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-gunman-was-trump-supporter-happy-stock-market-701597

TAKE A SEAT.

The sheriff and the author of that article are liars. That article said there were no other political references or evidence of extremism even though the same Sheriff said they were investigating extremism earlier, and he is a confirmed liar and the FBI stands behind him in every fucking press conference and makes sure he doesn't spill the beans. That article clearly lied when it said Paddock hadn't been to any countries lately because there were pictures of him in Dubai dated to only a few months ago.

Anyway, the case seems much more complicated now with the new evidence that is emerging. There was a helicopter close to the mandalay bay that was giving off a transceiver signal of southwest airlines then joined a group of 7 sightseeing helicopters when it left the rooftop. Paddock's fucking hard drive was stolen from his home after it was made into a crime scene. And his brother was busted for child pornography and his other brother for drugs. Who knows what kind of political evidence there might be on that missing hard drive.

Now, the whole thing seems much more suspicious and there is evidence of organized crime, including Paddock's family, and even private helicopter pilots being involved.

Immediately after this event happened my intention was to draw attention to the victims and the possible political motives of shooting up as country music festival, because the neoliberal progressives would not even consider that he may have been targeting conservatives, which is very hypocritical because you know they would be up in arms if he had shot up a rap concert.

Furthermore, it seems that the Las Vegas HRT did really contact Alex Jones or at least someone claiming to be them, because he even admits now that they could have been feeding him misinfo or trying to hint at something else.

If you actually look into this case it's very confusing and there are a bunch of possibilities, but considering the radar evidence about the helicopters I think it was probably a heist that set up Paddock as a distraction and fall guy. The place where the helicopter landed is connected to the Mandalay by a series of hallways and corridors. Ever seen Oceans 11?

http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-gunman-was-trump-supporter-happy-stock-market-701597

TAKE. A. SEAT.

Repeating yourself doesn't make you look any more intelligent. That article is full of conflicting information with what Sheriff Lombardo already said. And you are acting like it's impossible for someone to think that Trump may be doing the right thing with the stock market but still target conservative country music festival goers or still be radicalized from neoliberal regressive failstream media. And you have completely ignored all other aspects of the incident such as helicopters or a widely changing narrative.

You are doing nothing else besides trying to troll me now, sad!

Dude, so many other types of people despise Trump than your T_D go-to bogeyman 'liberal cuck' - yet there's really only one type of person that still supports Trump any more. You must feel so lonely.

Listen cunt, our president has more support than ever. I /we feel very much not alone in our support for a true president. This must be evidence of this sub being flipped with share blue shills.

You sound like a fucking bot

Haha

We know you're too retarded for reality. No need to tell us.

I voted for Trump. You are an embarrassment. "Support for a true president"? He claimed he was going to be the president of ALL the people yet he has been so divisive. I supported him so much that I had a bumper sticker so don't even try to label me a shill. You are a disgrace to any level headed person who voted for Trump but has the sense to realize that he is not being the president that he said he would be.

I respect people like you a lot, even when we disagree politically

Listen cunt, our president has more support than ever.

LMFAO!

Lol

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Holy shit you ARE alone... :/

Removed. Rule 4.

Give me a fucking break already.

When has it "turned out to be a disguise?"

Also, the world hates the man. Not just left-leaning folks, as you so broadly brush. Hell, he can't even bully his own party into playing along with half of his bullshit.

It goes directly against the MSM narrative. Why would they want anyone to know that a deranged leftist murdered a ton of people at a country concert? (that will most likely have many Trump supporters)

Thing we won't be talking about tomorrow: Puerto Rico. Trump had a reallllly bad week. Time to change the narrative.

Won't care about who's taking a knee either.

It's Monday. We'll be back to the knee talk come sunday. We forget shit like this in a matter of 3 days.

There was already two attacks yesterday and the Spanish referendum to distract us, this seems like over kill. Plus this isn't his style, if he wanted to distract us he would go to twitter and say that the world is flat or something, although who the fuck knows, maybe they didn't account for the other world events.

There was already two attacks yesterday and the Spanish referendum to distract us, this seems like over kill. Plus this isn't his style, if he wanted to distract us he would go to twitter and say that the world is flat or something, although who the fuck knows, maybe they didn't account for the other world events.

What's the conspiracy with Puerto Rico

If this turns out to be a right winger, watch out for Trumpists falling over themselves to try and blame this on Hillary, ANTIFA, Soros and the Deep State.

Jesus you people never learn... Left-wing, right-wing... It's all the same bird...

Civil War is coming. This is all planned. They are losing control

yeah, I've been hearing that for 30 years. Not holding my breath.

I just watched a live report of a young girl who was celebrating her 21st birthday there, said a women walked up to them and said they were all going to die, she was kicked out. Young girl described them as being Hispanic. KSNV news

Not to be a dick, but source?

Turns out the woman is of Asian descent and is somehow linked to all of this.

Last I heard a woman was taken into custody but no name or description was released. not sure if same woman being described or another. this was heard on the radio

She was pacific islander. So darker asian.

She was out of the country during the shooting.

r/hapas was right

It's weird but I know it's a common popular idea that you'll "die" on your 21st, especially in a place like Vegas. Maybe there's a possibility that was the context

strange how theres always some catalyst the first year in office. Its weird in 2017 you make a controversial joke on fb and get a knock at your door the next morning, mass surveillance of suspected terrorists yet shit like this still happens right on time. I wonder what the motivation of this security breach is? Radical islamists? North Koreans? Home grown White Terrorists? How can we use this tragedy to our advantage?

Its weird in 2017 you make a controversial joke on fb and get a knock at your door the next morning

Wat

in the EU this is true, especially Germanistan

bring total political tension and confusion, wait for manufactured solution ( forgetting about leaked emails )

Homegrown white nationalism, whatever the motivations of this guy are, will be used as a scapegoat for this shooting. With or without enough evidence to make such a claim. Mark my words!

I don't think they can get away with that when it was a country music event that was targeted.

strange how theres always some catalyst the first year in office.

So now mass shootings only happen because it's someone's first year in office?

some catalyst

Fuck we knew this was going to happen. This is really really bad.

How did you know this was going to happen?

There hasn't been a mass shooting event in a few weeks.

Because everyone is getting to woke, it sends a message to Trump. NFL losing tons of money, they want the guns etc. They needed a major false flag event to reign us in.

You guys are fucked. Have you ever considered that people this crazy and violent exist in real life? Not everything is a conspiracy

Timing is everything.

Check your sub bruh

True , but it does seem like these shootings happen regularly every year, like natural disasters

With 300 million people and relatively easy to get guns of course there will be a successful crazy or two a year. Surprised it's not more common to be honest.

Thank you. How can people be so blind to acknowledge that having so many easily accessible guns in a country with fucked mental health support will lead to these sorts of incidents regularly. Makes the mind boggle.

Wouldn't be surprised if certain agencies knew about this and let it happen and/or enabled him/them.

How did you know this was going to happen?

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/914849900009000960

This is starting to resemble the Dallas shootings... I bet the shooter turns out to be an exmilitary crazy

Who else could do something like this? if not the mentally disturbed.

Oh they're mentally disturbed. Extreme violence is nothing short of a mental disorder. But who said this country had a mental health crisis on its hands?

The government

Nobody here would actually say the ones that run the country (any country as a matter of fact) is mentally healthy...

Or he'd been in close contact with FBI informants prior to this event...

Guessing communist.

Key the moron gun lovers screaming false flag to distract from the USA's gun problem.

Tell me the process of getting a Class III firearm. Do you even know what that is?

Most likely it was a converted weapon.

Thats what I was thinking. A converted AK with a couple drum mags. Plus he had multiple firearms in the room too.