An overlooked aspect of the Las Vegas situation
183 2017-10-04 by ryanpeverly
I see a lot of people here speculating on motivations and details based on information provided in mainstream media reports. There's an angle for everyone: lone wolf psychopath; deep state arms dealer; occult ritual sacrifice.
The narrative over the last 24 hours on this sub has went from wild speculation on the latter to more mild speculation about the narrative provided by the "LVPD leaker". Personally, I'd urge those of you buying into that narrative to refer back to the case of Tupac Shakur, which the LVPD has helped cover up since 1996.
To think they weren't in on this recent event on some level is ludicrous. They're one of the groups who would benefit the most when you consider the possible outcome of this: more laws, more restrictions, more security, greater police presence, etc. They have a stake in this game: more funding for their organization.
And then there's the media. There does seem to be a growing push among the mainstream that this story doesn't seem right. ABC News filing for FOIA about Paddock's employment history with the government is a clue here.
My angle on the media is also simple: no one trusts the mainstream news agencies anymore, so you need to restore faith in them. Let them break a juicy story about undercover arms dealings in the FBI, which pacifies a large majority of "conspiracy theorists" while alerting the masses that they're really not as safe and secure from the feds as they think, which means greater trust placed in your local authorities, who are now getting greater funding for their increased militarization.
It's a two-birds-with-one-mass-shooting thing. Increase trust in the media by allowing them to shine light on an deep state arms deal gone wrong, while also providing the groundwork for increasing local police presence in major cities.
Discuss.
EDIT: I should also note that the FBI, from what I've read here and on 4chan, seem to be the more America first group, while the CIA seems to be the arm of the globalists. Another way to take heat away from the agency.
95 comments
1 ChiBarneski 2017-10-04
I’m waiting on MSM to give us a “motive”
1 KatexKate 2017-10-04
They can't just make something up. They need to have sources that confirm whatever they find.
1 GirlsHaveMicroPenis 2017-10-04
They don't try to find anything. They just wait for the CIA/FBI memo to arrive and repeat it verbatim.
1 Deadlyaroma 2017-10-04
Did you forget to put /s?
1 KatexKate 2017-10-04
Did you?
1 Deadlyaroma 2017-10-04
No I just think your comment is funny because the Msm is not known to do its fact checking
1 Imsomniland 2017-10-04
This is such a broad sweeping generalization that it's almost meaningless. Sometimes the MSM does fact checking and they get it right. Because we live in the internet we are inundated with millions of instances where the MSM has gotten it wrong, thereby allowing people to say "The MSM doesn't do fact checking" ...when in reality they do, and most of the time they may even be right, but that doesn't matter because there are people don't trust their institutions anymore.
We have reached the point where the people in charge, don't trust the institutions they have taken over to lead. This should end well.
1 Deadlyaroma 2017-10-04
You say it yourself "we are inundated with millions of instances where the MSM has gotten it wrong...".
1) you prove my point, the MSM is not known for fact checking.
2) slinging shit at the wall and hoping something sticks isn't exactly the best method of reporting when you have as large a platform as they do.
1 kmordic 2017-10-04
Thier not going to. The motive is "no motive". The idea that anyone can do this your neighbor, your friend or your brother. Keeps you scared of everyone divide and conquer... also guns...
1 buttwarmer333 2017-10-04
it is not just about GUN CONTROL!
It's about rolling out TSA on the streets; hotels, concerts, movies, etc...for your safety, you'll have to be searched everywhere you go...the new AmeriKa.
1 kmordic 2017-10-04
Im not arguing agenst that. Infact thats exactly how i feel. Normalizes us giving up rights in the name of security.
1 Hazmat_Princess 2017-10-04
They did... He's white!
http://humanevents.com/2017/10/04/media-find-las-vegas-shooters-motive-hes-white/?utm_source=coulterdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl
1 Hi_mom1 2017-10-04
I think we found it
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
And instantly downvoted.
1 l_lexi 2017-10-04
This section is really filled with non regular since the shooting. I see a lot of people on here that refuse to believe anything about the vegas shooting. it happens. I think in a month from now we can have real discussion about it all
1 TucanSamBitch 2017-10-04
Seems you're upvoted now
1 EricCarver 2017-10-04
This is one of the best commentaries I've seen here about LV, yet it is getting downvoted. Downvoters, comment to say why you are downvoting.
1 maulynvia 2017-10-04
Good argument - though I don't buy the media part. The media is history and TPTB have no interest in turning the clock back. Media is now "Social" and we see a power grab for gaining control over it. I don't envy the owners of major social media platforms now, as they are either "sidelined" or sucked in to these evil games.
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
True. So apply the same logic to the "social" media. You create personalities on there, whether real people or bots, who break the news. Instead of on your TV, it's in your Twitter feed. This is our mainstream media now. You're telling me you can't have the modern-day equivalent of a news anchor walking through a crisis scene after the fact filming a 4-minute "on location" video where he's taking the pulse of people lying on the ground? That does more to build a narrative on social media than anything you'd see on TV.
1 JakeElwoodDim5th 2017-10-04
This is true. Whoever wields the Truth will win.
1 jonesyjonesy 2017-10-04
Yo do you like conspiracies? I took your conspiracy and put it inside another conspiracy so you can have a mega conspiracy!
Essentially OP's take is there is a conspiracy (the MSM manufactured an undercover FBI arms dealing conspiracy to build up MSM trust) within a conspiracy (Paddock wasn't a lone wolf) and we know this because Tupac. Conspiracy-ception!
Sorry but I'm going to need something better than that. The FBI conspiracy doesn't even have legitimate traction. I haven't seen any of the MSM touch this 4chan FBI theory. If MSM is using this as its cover up to build up national trust, the first step would have to be them actually USING it as its cover up.
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
Look, I'm not saying this is what's happening. It's speculation. But you do have to build it up as an investigation. You don't just come out a day or two later and say, "Hey guess what? Undercover FBI-ISIS arms deal gone wrong!" How does that possibly seem legitimate?
1 jonesyjonesy 2017-10-04
But what MSM source is reporting that? All I'm seeing is a 4chan screenshot going viral.
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
Supposedly, ABC News has filed a FOIA for Paddock's government employment history. They can connect everything through that information once received and investigated. They're not reporting it right now because they don't have the info.
1 edgarallenbro 2017-10-04
It's important to note the history of Las Vegas here.
It was literally founded by a Jewish gangster who sought to replicate the success of Atlantic City.
He worked closely with the mafia in getting the whole city running.
Point being that it is literally a city whose founding principal is curroption.
1 ranaxoxox 2017-10-04
Vegas is definitely a hub for the "Underworld." I wouldn't be surprised if this man was involved in selling weaponry to the black market.
1 iSwearNotARobot 2017-10-04
Why does he need to sell them? He could give them away for free since his money is no longer his.
1 ranaxoxox 2017-10-04
http://nypost.com/2013/12/01/book-excerpt-how-america-gave-guns-to-mexican-drug-cartels/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
1 ColdStoneCreamAustin 2017-10-04
OH FUCK.
1 DKmann 2017-10-04
You will never get a motive. You never do. Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech etc. et. al. It all remains a mystery as to exactly why they did it. And that's done on purpose. Why?
Because if we knew that these guys were specifically trying to make a point about being wronged, or a bad break up with a girlfriend, we'd better accept their actions. And when we accept their actions - even if they are unreasonable - we take the focus off of the guns.
With no motive the blame goes to guns. He did this because of guns. And right now, that's all you got to go on and later on that's all you'll hear about - he had guns and used guns to kill people for no reason. Guns are the problem. Guns are the reason. We can't trust people with guns because they'll randomly without cause kill people. That's the narrative we're being fed.
1 NectarCollecting 2017-10-04
The common theme is hat they were prescribed medication for anxiety/depression
1 iSwearNotARobot 2017-10-04
One third of the population is on psych meds. Now how many of them are gun owners?
1 nien_lives 2017-10-04
You make a good point. If you need pills to be baseline normal, one thing you don't need is guns.
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
Or pills.
1 mrwhitewhisker 2017-10-04
I don't think this is necessarily fair -- I take prozac/fluoxetine to keep my thoughts on track and focused throughout the day, and seroquel xr to sleep through the night without waking up every hour and mellow out a hot temper. Both of these medicines help me be "baseline normal" but without them I would never ever consider harming someone or even enacting violence towards any species. I have gone through many different periods/levels of withdrawal with these medications and others, and even knowing how awfully those affect my thinking and behaviors, I would never expect to feel like I couldn't trust myself with a weapon.
1 nien_lives 2017-10-04
You might think you're fine but that doesn't mean society should bear the risk that you're wrong.
1 bro-dog 2017-10-04
Yeah but you're removing his right to due process. By that logic anyone who takes psych meds shouldn't be allowed to drive, vote, or have children because society shouldn't have to bear the risk of his decisions.
1 mrwhitewhisker 2017-10-04
I agree, but I have just as much right as society to my safety, and if I need a gun/weapon to protect myself from people I deserve it just as much as anyone else.
1 TheAmazingSasha 2017-10-04
"Mellow out a hot temper" LOL, perfectly acceptable to own guns if you need meds to quell a hot temper.
1 mrwhitewhisker 2017-10-04
Acknowledging that snapping at people with bitchy/snide comments (and generally being irritated by the general population) is an unhealthy behavior is a VERY far cry from harming others.
1 miketrain562 2017-10-04
Yes people like you, a person who admits to being on medication to control their "mental health problems", whixh is you ajd eveyone else in America being a big ass puss shouldnt be allowed to own guns.
1 mrwhitewhisker 2017-10-04
I’m not sure what your level of experience with “mental health problems” is, or your familiarity with medication, but medication for the way that you think and feel is not any different to pain medicine, anesthesia, etc. How is your mind less important than your body?
1 7palms 2017-10-04
Thanks for pointing this out, I read a piece after the Tucson shooting about how this was the only common thread to a lot of the mass shootings in the past 10 years or so. I'd imagine big pharm has enough influence to keep burying this if so desired
1 StraitChillin24 2017-10-04
Wow you nailed it. Depressed people killing others and themselves. Mystery solved folks.
1 7palms 2017-10-04
Please don't misunderstand (or twist)my comment. I wasn't claiming or trying to 'solve' anything actually, I should have elaborated by suggesting that perhaps adverse reactions to anti-depressants(or coming off said drugs) could possibly be a factor in some of these shootings. But i actually see the wisdom behind your sarcasm, It could very well be THAT simple, depressed people committing mass homicide/suicide, when they have the means. I guess when a lot of things don't add up, the people most affected want better answers.
1 SocraticMethHead 2017-10-04
Quote from the 1960's from the last person you'd expect.
1 7palms 2017-10-04
Who?
1 SocraticMethHead 2017-10-04
L Ron Hubbard
1 ClawOfTheWest 2017-10-04
You're paranoid aren't you. Either that or shilling for NRA
1 SANDERS4POTUS69 2017-10-04
Or he can remember things that happened over a week ago.
1 JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-10-04
This entire post doesnt make any sense. How would that take the focus off guns? If anything, it would embolden gun control advocates to say that any crazy person upset over a breakup shouldnt be able to kill 50 people with automatic weapons.
1 vensorvi 2017-10-04
Mental health became the issue when similar happened. The dude was legit fucked up by society though.
1 Booney3721 2017-10-04
I look at it as who was trying to make a gain from their Agenda... Aurora shootings, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas massacre? Who was pushing for stricter gun laws, banning of AR rifles, making it harder to obtain ammunition, and now fighting the NRA on the "Hearing protection act"? All fingers in my book point to Hillary Clinton, who also helped Obama donate money to ANTIFA.
1 therestime 2017-10-04
Well said. This articulates exactly why we don't trust the official narrative. Quick add on theory here: After the Port Arthur Massacre, Australia has a massive gun ban. That shooter had a pretty clear motive (at least for the initial murders) and documented mental problems (very low IQ). Soon after, the US gets Columbine; clear motive. The motives get more vague with every event after that (except the Islamist ones).
1 talyakey 2017-10-04
What was the motive for columbine?
1 miketrain562 2017-10-04
Bullying
1 boomer95 2017-10-04
http://humansarefree.com/2015/09/bill-coopers-1991-book-predicts.html
1 katarine- 2017-10-04
Has it been confirmed that he was antifa? Seems like this is a terrorist act against Christians and Republicans?
1 FreaksAtNight 2017-10-04
Do it even know what antifa is?
1 MrMamo 2017-10-04
Great editorial.
I agree with you but I think you forgot two other motives.
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
Yes, both are clearly motives here as well. And it could be that simple. Divert attention from other disasters while also continuing your play to control (or even confiscate) guns.
1 MrMamo 2017-10-04
I think it's a combination of many motives. They very rarely kill only one bird with one stone. This event definitely has multiple purposes, as others did.
1 LeeKinanus 2017-10-04
There is no way in the world that our government is going to "confiscate" over 100 million guns. Logistically impossible. Also, If you speak with most military guys and LEO, they would not condone such an operation.
1 mtnduck 2017-10-04
you think a PD would slaughter, or try to slaughter 500+ people for fucking funding????????????????? think about what you're saying. The whole damn PD would have to be socio and psychopathic to pull that off..... this isn't Gotham kid
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
I never said they were directly involved as shooters. I was speculating on them being complicit.
1 jawman01 2017-10-04
Dude use your fucking brain. The point is not every LEO employed for LVPD is going to know about it. Only those few at the top that are involved know the truth. And they'll just tell the same official story to their underling employees and they'll all believe it. That's the point. Keep those under you uninformed to the real truth and following orders, while the very select few at the top are pulling the strings. Of course the whole police department isn't in on it. That would be retarded and would spill the beans guaranteed.
1 FreaksAtNight 2017-10-04
If the reports of Paddock trying to rent other hotel rooms above other outdoor concerts is true then the whole arms deal theory is null. Is it really that hard to comprehend someone could snap and want to be the bad guy? Humans are fucking weird and do really fucked up stuff all the time, just look at last year's election.
1 pizzalover00 2017-10-04
No, that could be perfectly legit, and I think everyone’s accepts that.
What people don’t accept is if that’s true, there’s absolutely a message on the video that he filmed or the note on the table.
People just want to see the video or read the note, that’s really it.
Could be left wing rage and he was trying to make a point about how he could buy all these guns etc...
He could have also been radicalized.
Those are perfectly acceptable motives for everyone.... just prove it.
1 FreaksAtNight 2017-10-04
Those things take time to investigate. Detectives will want to go over everything to make sure other people aren't involved.
1 vensorvi 2017-10-04
Are you seriously comparing Hillary losing with a mass murder LMFAO.
1 FreaksAtNight 2017-10-04
No, I'm comparing the whole debacle that was the 2016 election and the country losing its mind and nominating both Clinton and Trump to the craziness of someone snapping and then committing violent acts. People are fucking stupid and weird.
1 perfect_pickles 2017-10-04
means motive opportunity
money yes
motive ?????????
opportunity !!!!!!!!!!
the motive thing goes against human nature in a civilized society.
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1 5dreality 2017-10-04
you won my upvote with 2pac coverup
1 bacare 2017-10-04
I feel I have to point out that LVPD doesn't have jurisdiction on the strip, that's why the sheriff is running the press conferences, the strip is in the county
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
I could be confused. Didn't someone say Las Vegas Metro had a leaker yesterday and also responded on the night of?
1 bacare 2017-10-04
yes LVMPD >< LVPD
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
What's the difference?
1 bacare 2017-10-04
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise%2C_Nevada
1 DashThePunk 2017-10-04
Las vegas is just a part of the valley. Las Vegas Metro covers a wider area Within what a lot of people consider Vegas is a lot of smaller...I don't know what to call them. Sub-Cities I guess Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, Henderson, Paradise (which I believe is where the strip technically is), Summerlin. LVPD, LVMPD, and NLVPD are all different entities.
Source: Have lived in Vegas my whole life.
1 seeking101 2017-10-04
the people in charge in 1996 (21 years ago) are most likely retired. you don't get to have the kind of power to cover up something without already having significant time in the force
1 LilTwerkster 2017-10-04
LVPD doesn’t have jurisdiction in the strip...it’s the sherif. & sorry but this dudes visibly shaken. LEO’s weren’t in on this. If it was anyone it was private security contractors.
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
Also very plausible.
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-10-04
there are many who benefit. gun manufacturers, politicians, police, media
1 Egobeliever 2017-10-04
O really gun manufacturers benefit from this?
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-10-04
look at how sales of firearms spike after events like this are broadcast.
1 Egobeliever 2017-10-04
Ok yes there is panic buying after things like this happen. And what would happen if we did what Australia did after their massacre?
Gun manufactures do not benefit from these types of things. They benefit from large scale conflicts.
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-10-04
i have no idea what your first point is trying to make. surely they make profit after this type of thing happens. will there be political agendas for gun control? of course but they know it isnt going to end with removal of guns all together, the nra has money in govt just like everyone else. sure they make more money with wars but this will also help progits in the end
1 Egobeliever 2017-10-04
The first point was Australia did ban guns all together. And no gun makers won't profit because they won't increase production. The guns that are bought during the spike were already sold to distributors. Only the gun shop making the sale will profit off of the OVERSTICKER prices people will pay during a craze, in addition to increased sales.
This is economics 101
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-10-04
does increased sales not dictate increased demand therfor increased supply? i think you are fighting against this way harder than im fighting for it
1 Egobeliever 2017-10-04
No the point is gun makers don't want these types of things to happen.
1 HangryBuffaloBill 2017-10-04
i didnt say they wanted it but if it drives sales they wont say no.
1 theatahhh 2017-10-04
Lurker here, and I'm not looking to argue, just curious; why is every single act of violence immediately labeled as a conspiracy? I mean I was anticipating these posts here as soon as it happened. Surely some of these things must happen for no reason. When you label everything as an inside job doesn't that lose credibility to things that are actually internally nefarious? Is there a mass shooting or act of violence that you would or have deemed as unaffiliated with the government? Again, not looking to argue, not saying you're wrong, just looking for some insight.
1 KittyHasABeard 2017-10-04
I can see where you're coming from. This one did seem particularly obvious in its missing pieces, bits not adding up, smelling of a cover up etc, almost like the intention was to have people question it. The again there are theories out there that TPTB actually want humanity to awaken, it's just they know it's going to happen whether they like it or not, so they want the masses to awaken on their terms, in a negative and controllable manner rather than in a positive, spiritual and collaborative way. So who knows.
1 agent570358201 2017-10-04
No, I don't think you're right. Their plan would never include implicating the FBI like that.
Also I'm guessing the FBI manages the Shakur case, not the LVPD.
1 Inignort 2017-10-04
Vegas is a factory town and the mayor, PD and most city officials are bought and paid for by the casino bosses. This incident is positively horrible for business. There may be other governmental agencies involved in this, but it is a safe bet to assume that the LVMPD has no involvement beyond doing the FBI's cleanup work this week.
1 anunknind 2017-10-04
I agree that the LVPD leaks are more than likely bullshit.
1 perfect_pickles 2017-10-04
look at the AP photos of the LVPD, posed and photoshopped for the camera.
a mass shooting going on and LEOs allowing AP photographers to creep about and literally crouch down in front of them taking 'action' pictures, I don't think so, not in any reality based world.
1 ryanpeverly 2017-10-04
Look, I'm not saying this is what's happening. It's speculation. But you do have to build it up as an investigation. You don't just come out a day or two later and say, "Hey guess what? Undercover FBI-ISIS arms deal gone wrong!" How does that possibly seem legitimate?
1 pizzalover00 2017-10-04
No, that could be perfectly legit, and I think everyone’s accepts that.
What people don’t accept is if that’s true, there’s absolutely a message on the video that he filmed or the note on the table.
People just want to see the video or read the note, that’s really it.
Could be left wing rage and he was trying to make a point about how he could buy all these guns etc...
He could have also been radicalized.
Those are perfectly acceptable motives for everyone.... just prove it.
1 vensorvi 2017-10-04
Are you seriously comparing Hillary losing with a mass murder LMFAO.
1 StraitChillin24 2017-10-04
Wow you nailed it. Depressed people killing others and themselves. Mystery solved folks.
1 SocraticMethHead 2017-10-04
Quote from the 1960's from the last person you'd expect.
1 perfect_pickles 2017-10-04
means motive opportunity
money yes
motive ?????????
opportunity !!!!!!!!!!
the motive thing goes against human nature in a civilized society.